@@pkmuhammedhisan how can you assume he is a previous guy. He could be a guy girl or any other combination of it. Should just use the word 'previous person'
I think a lot of western vegans could benefit from trying foods from tropical and sub-tropical countries. I had a white vegan roommate who consistently ate mock-meat (not because he loved it's taste or anything) along with a plethora of supplements. I used to feel bad and often shared my south Asian food which he really loved. I never even realised that i actually have a lot of vegan meals throughout the week (i eat chicken and fish, rarely red meat), so I was glad to share a variety of vegetables like okra, different varieties of lentils and various flavour profiles in general. Now that i am back in my country, i notice myself unconsciously eating a huge variety of fruits and vegetables. Vegans in the West should really go to Asian and African stores to diversify their nutrition intake more. There's no reason that vegan food has to mimic textures or tastes of meat.
I don't live a vegan lifestyle, and in my current life situation that is unviable due to external factors, but I want to try those Asian vegetable meals. I always heard that Asian countries do a better job at making vegan foods in comparison to the frankly uneventful vegan foods we have here in the west.
My first 10 years as a vegan was in Tokyo, so things were easy and healthier compared to my last 13 in New Zealand. But fortunately, over the last 10 years everyone here has found out that because of intensive animal farming, our rivers lakes and water supplies are very polluted. International food options are limited here but I can get tempeh and tofu now. Natto is my favorite food but hard to find.
@@Im-BAD-at-satire I think this is because a lot of Asian and African cuisine is just...vegan by nature and tradition. There was no conscious attempt to vegan-ise many dishes because they simply have been like that. Even when I make any non-vegetarian dish, I have to incorporate a lot of veggies because the dish would be very plain otherwise. I really recommend trying to make some of the vegetable meals yourself with whatever ingredients you can muster.
@@Masala_Pizzaa I’m a vegan myself and I don’t think vegans have to mimick textures of meat but I think they do it for sake of veganism like even i laugh when somebody says a mushroom can taste meaty when no it doesn’t 😂 the mushrooms taste good but no where taste near like animal foods , like where where I’m from there is no vegan restaurant but vegan friendly restaurants cus like you said a lot of Asian foods are accidentally vegan by nature of their culture same with Indian restaurants to
In connection with calcium absorption, you did not mention vitamin D, which is important in this process. This may explain why Nordic countries may suffer from osteoporosis due to lack of sun in winter (and this is a minor problem in West Africa, so maybe that's one reason they have healthy bones.) The health of bones should not be reduced to calcium. Other vitamins, minerals, physical activity also come into play
@@77moonwalker77 It's interesting, was it the government or was it the dairies that introduced it? (assuming you meant vitamin D) How much is in per ml? Arla launched it once in Denmark, but it's not popular. However, the Danish Veterinary and Food Administration recommends everyone to take vitamin D during the winter season
I was vegetarian for 6 years, and now have been vegan for the last 6. I eat a balanced diet with of greens, fruits, nuts/legumes, nori (iodine/B12) and beans/tofu/shakes/nooch (protein/Vitamin D/Vitamin B12). Like anyone, I occasionally eat some junk food like sweets as a treat. When I first changed my lifestyle, I did research to confirm I was getting the right nutrients and focused on whole, unprocessed foods. 12 years later, I will never go back to consuming animal products, because I know I'm helping the animals, humans, the world and my body.
The vegan diet is NOT better for the planet and the environment. Monocropping kills millions of animals every year including birds and insects. Climate change is a hoax, propagated by the same people who want to depopulate the world, you know, those pesky little New World order people? Eat meat and encourage regenerative farming. We are not apes. We do not have the capability of turning plants into short chain fatty acids like apes. Your analogy is off the charts idiotic!
Your body don’t absorb vitamin from plants like you think. Also plants 🌱 contain toxins, fiber from plants feed bad bacteria in your gut. Eating healthy fats and meats is the best. You should go educate yourself and stop listening to stupid people on UA-cam
I think it's also important to note that b12 comes from bacteria that gets eaten by animals (we used to get it from "less sterile" vegetables). And now most all livestock are giving b12 supplements so the meat has it. EDIT: I miss worded non vegan b12 deficiency, the point I was trying to make is that they aren't as deficient because their meat is getting supplemented anyway. So unless you're completely avoiding factory farming ...
Lol healthy cattle don't need to be given B12 to contain it. There is abundant naturally forming B12 in the meat and especially the organs of animals. Lots of people around the world without industrial farming are NOT B12 deficient. It is mostly a vegan/vegetarian problem by far - which is strictly a phenomenon of abundance. You will eat a human carcass if you were starving.
@@TheRyad Up to 90% of worldwide B12 production goes to animals to supplement their bodies, as the overwhelmingly vast majority of them come from factory farming. Even these who don't are still often supplemented as it makes the production easier for the farmers - same goes for antibiotics, where over 2/3 of world's supply goes to animals, which leads to the major threat of antibiotic-resistant bacterias. TLDR: B12 is not a mostly vegan problem, but rather an animal farming one.
@@fiwo735 Fact is, wherever vitamin B12 comes from, vegetables haven't any, so if you follow a strict vegan diet you'll end up with a deficiency. Unless you take artificial supplements or artificially fortified food. It appears that a diet which by itself conducts to a vitamin deficiency is not natural for the human body.
@@fiwo735 B12 deficiency is by far, per capita, a vegan one. Stop supporting factory farm meat. Stop buying junk food. Ofc you'll be vitamin/mineral-deficient if you eat trash. Buy healthy meat. Support your local butcher and farmer.
@@emaarredondo-librarian the point is that your beef is artifically supplemented with B12. Skip a step and take an algae-based B12 supplement yourself 🤷
Studies show that people that go on ANY “diet” see great results at least in the initial months/years. Mostly because when you start paying attention to your eating habits you automatically shed some of the bad effects of it. Obviously at some point the effects start to wear off and you see more of the long term effects
switching from one extreme diet to another, is just swapping one set of chronic problems for another set. The negative chronic effects of veganism, don't show up until at least a year !
@@jjose100ify , It's the same with a carnivore diet. The colon cancer won't show up until after about 10 years. But, of course you can eat some citrus and watercress and lettuce every once in a while. You can season your meat with turmeric and ginger and garlic. And you can mitigate against the chronic health issues. A balanced diet is best.
It be like that😂😭🔥. I’ll finish eating something or be in the middle of it and outta no where I’m like what’s actually in this. Then I find some nasty ingredients 😅and be like wow now I can’t eat these😂.
@@RoyalT-Ishim luckily for me, I live in Israel, so they don't stuff meat and butter into everything, and if they are present, it's always printed on the package.
there are herbivores with canines that have a relative size many times that of ours. our puny canines would probably have a hard time getting through a squirrel, much less anything bigger.
B12 deficiency can be SO MUCH WORSE than just hallucinations, the lack of b12 can affect your nervous system and long time deficiency can produce a whole lot of worst symptoms like memory loss, speech difficulty and there are even people who have ended up in wheelchairs due to b12 deficiencies
@Mauro Draco nope. She was also suffering a weird sodium deficiency that turned out to be related to lung cancer of all things (allegedly that came from her lungs not healing properly after pneumonia we didn't know she'd had)
Just a small note: gorillas and other primates who have large musculature and eat mostly vegetarian diets also have significantly lower levels of myostatin, the protein that tells muscles to stop growing. Great content! Thank you! Edit: I love the comments that have added on here! I've learned a ton! Thank you all for the contributions!
Yeah it's weird to compare two groups from very different environments just to say the results around calcium needs are complicated... Also I'm disappointed this video never discussed how someone might go about eating the bear mininum animal products. Some people might not want to have to take supplements just to not eat animal products but might want to cut back to the minimal amount.
Went vegan in 2014 after experiencing the cruelty of animal agriculture. As a happy side effect, I no longer need a prescription cortisone steroid cream for my horrible case of dermatitis and I no longer struggle with anemia. A few people in my family removed dairy from their diets and have started to see similar results for their various conditions. It's clear that we (my family) just shouldn't drink cow's milk.
Just the case when u don't realise how many lives growing vegan diet takes. It's actually more destructive than any grass fed meat, as far as I have checked
I suffer from atopic dermatitis and im vegetarian, which means i drink milk and eat cheese etc. Do you think cutting dairy prodcuts entirely will help with the itching?
@@Jojiku9 Maybe consider seeing a dietician? I know a bunch of people who've had some success working with them. Regular GPs just don't have enough knowledge on nutrition.
Like other people said here, some of our cousins do eat meat. Bonobos and chimps, the closest to us, regularly hunt small animals, including small monkeys. Also, one very important thing that makes bones stronger and prevents oesteporosis is... physical activity! Like the muscles, they adapt to what you ask of them. Great video as always, thank you!
@@gao1812 Look for sources. All sources I found describe them as omnivores, eating small animals, though sources don't seem to agree about them hunting other mammals or not.
Specifically weight bearing exercises. I often walk and climb stairs with a heavy backpack. "During weight-bearing activity, the muscles and tendons apply tension to the bones, which stimulates the bones to produce more bone tissue. As a result, bones become stronger and more dense and the risk of osteopenia, osteoporosis, and fractures decreases."-Orthopedic and Sports Medicine Institute
Like our fellow primates, we are omnivores, but that doesn't mean we have to eat meat. Biologists classify humans as omnivores based on observed behavior in the majority, and the fact that we can digest both plants and animals. Our ancestors had to eat whatever they could get a hold of to survive long enough to reproduce. That included bugs, the equivalent of road kill, and sometimes other humans. Just because we can digest something, doesn't mean we should. Fortunately, most of us today can be more selective. We can eat a diet which is better for our health, longevity, our environment, and our fellow Earthlings- a fully plant based diet centered around whole foods. Animals in the wild have to eat each other. We do not.
About B12: I've read that industrial livestock gets B12 supplements as well. Because of their kind of "junk food" diet, they don't ingest the bacteria from the ground, that produce B12. So if you eat this kind of meat, effectively you're on B12 supplements as well.
yep, animals don't produce b12 themselves. b12 is produced by bacteria but modern humans wash almost all plant produce and santise drinking water so we don't get much from these sources anymore (a net positive for disease control, but not ideal for b12 intake, thankfully we have learned to extract it synthetically). very suprised the video didn't mention this.
Right i kinda think the video isnt that well researched and there are a lot of arguements that are easilyyy debunkable i kinda just kinda think this is fear mongering
This isn't entirely correct. Devil is in the details, which is that B12 is synthesized in animal tissue via getting a certain kind of bacteria in. I've heard many wild ideas about how we depleted B12 and it naturally came from the soil and that it's a big meat industry lie that we need meat to get it. But this one is untrue. We can make synthesized lab versions of B12, which most vegans aware of this issue tend to opt for. I very much dislike that vegan and vegetarian have lots of decent reasons to be healthy viable options, provided research is done into how to do it right, yet there is so much defaulting to misinformation and grasping and straws in order to encourage more of it. It's not cool. Not that you're doing that specifically, but that information isn't correct. Animals do get supplements if their diet isn't what they evolved to cope with. So animals that eat over sterilized food aren't getting the bacteria in to have their body synthesize the vitamin. I can gather that they're given a supplement to combat that, but it would be the bacteria needed for it. The consumption of an animal product, insect, milk, meat etc, is how to get B12 in unless it's synthesized in a lab. Eating wild, farm raised and not industry sterilized would mean the B12 is "naturally" acquired. Not that it should matter. Appeal to nature is a massive fallacy people need to stop falling into.
One thing I heard about the fractures study is that the vegan group had lower BMI. With less fat padding, it would make sense the rate of fractures would be greater especially in older vegans.
BMIs are not a good health indicator though it’s mainly for the general population because you can have a high BMI due to muscle mass gain but your BMI could be saying you are “overweight” eventhough you don’t look or feel “overweight” and that’s because the BMI doesn’t take muscle to fat ratio accurately it mainly takes in your total weight
@@ColburnClark yeah I think that’s why some vegans are scared to gain weight or sees gain weight as a unhealthy thing cus of the BMI when technically it is true but we can still gain weight and be healthy so as long it’s mainly muscle gain over fat gain like I wouldn’t recommend no more than 10-20 pounds of weight gain if a vegan is considering a bulk cycle , that’s how I approach it as a vegan
My guy, have you ever tried getting over 2-3 thousand calories purely by eating salad? Of course they have a lower BMI, assuming they don't throw junkfood in their face, because they eat a low-calorie diet. That's kinda just part of being vegan, it is _undeniable_ how much caloric value all sorts of animal products have
@@jeovanniperez3949yeah but frankly, for most people the BMI is definitely accurate enough to be used as a guidance point for things like their diet. At least nowadays, the majority of people concerned with the BMI are definitely not gym-going muscle masses, but more likely Your neighbor Bill that had one or two burgers too many, every Sunday. It always matters what kind of person you speak of, BMI takes your overall weight into account but it also pretty much considers average activity with average diet, so if you're too high you either don't move enough, eat too much (and the wrong things) or both. Vice versa.
Going vegan has reduced my crohns so much I don't need medication. That's more than enough for me. Still gotta avoid sugar and processed foods though, so whole plant based is the way to go! Thank you for this video!
I don't know if i would agree there's proof being vegan reduced Crohn's, but glad you're off medication. It's absolutely depressing that anybody under age 65 would need to take a pill.
@@chazlon5061 Or u can simply just do a poop transplant that works 90% of the time for CD A less nastier way is to eat lots of fibers to build the same diversity of microbes from donor's poop. In this way, it's the "whole plants" that helps. Not the "vegan" part. U can still eat junkies and call yourself a vegan
In India a lot of people are vegetarian because of our culture. I was vegetarian since childhood, and when I turned vegan last year, I very clearly saw a positive change in my physical as well as mental health. This is my anecdotal experience. The mental health improvement has been a big impact on my overall well being.
@@infobot7213 That just isn't true at all. Everyone eats and/or uses animal products. The definition clearly states (a person who does not eat or use animal products).
@@lotusgrl444 I assume its expensive to be vegan in wester countries. In India, things are very inexpensive because a lot of our market is already targetted to vegetarians. You can try doing some DIY things as a hobby if the ready made products are expensive. Actually vegan products are supposed to be cheaper, because they're actually quite easy and cheaper to make, their prices are often inflated because of economic reasons.
I appreciate the fact that you were up front and honest about the pros and cons of the various studies. You present your case well, without resorting to sensationalism or tricky word play
Same! People need to make their choices based on data and personal wellness. I am not vegan but I always appreciate hearing all sides of the story without prejudice. What a great video!
Unfortunately the narrator states at 2:20 that “modern primates, the ones we are closest related to, most of them have totally plant-based diets.” There are great things in this video and in veganism. But the statement about our other primate relatives is sensationally over-exaggerated and demonstrably false: “Which primates, exactly, enjoy dining on flesh? Most of them, according to David Watts, an anthropologist at Yale University who analyzed over 400 studies of meat-eating among primates in a 2020 review paper. Watts noted that 12 of the current 16 families of primates featured meat-eaters, a total of 89 species. Rather than the exception, it’s the majority - even when meat comes with a potentially violent price … theories (about the content of vitamins and proteins and calories from meat) can easily apply to chimpanzees and their favorite hunting game, red colobus monkeys.” Yes, chimpanzees are close cousins of humans and they go on hunting expeditions to eat red colobus monkeys. There are many videos of these chimpanzees regularly eating meat that they hunt. Source: Dr. David Watts of Yale Anthropology 2020 and Discovery Magazine www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-grisly-diverse-world-of-meat-eating-primates
@@michaelpettineo1328 Look. It doesn’t really matter what other primates eat; it doesn’t really matter what our ancestors ate. We have the data. We know that, with all other variables controlled, eating a plant-exclusive diet leads to lower rates of obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, and even some cancers. There is no reason to hypothesize about the answer, when we actually *have* the answer. Given that one can not only survive, but thrive on a plant-exclusive diet, other sentient being for food becomes an act of gratuitous violence. It is unnecessary for anyone who is reading these words on a computer screen. “But I like meat and I don’t want to stop eating meat” isn’t a satisfactory or mature argument in a serious discussion. Neither is “but chimps eat meat, so it’s ok for me to eat meat too.” I am not directing this at anyone personally, but I must repeat - we *have* the answer to the question of whether or not humans can thrive on a vegan diet. Yes, we can. Easily. Enslaving, torturing, and slaughtering animals for food is merely gratuitous.
Vitamin D, e.g. from sunlight exposure is important for calcium absorption to prevent osteoporosis. Calcium + Vitamin D needs to be implemented daily for healthy bone structure :)
Consuming dairy is equivalent to eating veal because it's just as cruel because the baby is taken away to be killed for veal evrytime the mother cows are artificial inseminated
@@lucax2300 vegan milk substitutes are used in many baking and cooking recipes and many vegans drink nut milk as a substitute for the average dairy milk, as most nut milks contain calcium which promotes bone strength (much like cow milk) and are much easier to process for most people with the prominence of lactose intolerance today. Most vegan milk substitutes contain calcium and many other nutritional aspects of cow milk and can be a total replacement to them with little to no nutritional backlash, not saying that milk is even necessary to be healthy, which it isn’t, but vegans drink and use milk substitutes for the same reasons that you would use dairy milk.
You forgot to say the bit where animals are given B12 supplements. Some do get it naturally from grazing but they are more commonly given supplements instead. Earthling Ed has a great video on this.
Take any pork, cattle of sheep, give it a normal extensive diet without any supplements. Kill it and look at the liver, surprise, the fantastic b12 will be there like magic. Stop spreading fakes news.
Me too! But, truth shall prevail 🌟✊🏻🌱✌🏻 There's nothing to be afraid of when we all know we're following a good constructive path for oneself and others both 🙃😊
@@colto2312 Yeah we knew all the science decades ago...it was only when the meat and dairy industries saw the threat that they started putting out their own studies to confuse people and amped up their marketing
I noticed he’s not the only vegan doing that. There was another one I clicked that said “everything wrong with vegan food”. Answer was more vegan food fcs.
I was worried about B12, but my almond milk has it, my nutritional yeast, cereals I eat. I was thinking about getting supplements, but apparently I get plenty of foods that are fortified with it.
Yeah, you have to have quite a lot of the fortified foods in order to get its full, daily nutritional value. Even as an avid plant-based milk drinker, I would advise you supplement a lot.
Yes I’m vegan and trainer as well you should still supplement a b-12 and you don’t have to worry about vitamin-D depending where your from because you also get vitamin-D so it’s not an essential nutrient it’s a conditional essential cus we also get it from the sun
@@jeovanniperez3949 Experts recommend supplementing for vitamin D needs, particularly in colder countries, because vitamin D from the sun varies so much depending on season and daily weather. However, a note for anyone who does like to get some sunlight in - sunscreen has not been shown to hinder vitamin D production, so don't use this as an excuse to skip sun protection!
@@antonioc.5778 Vegetarians consume animal products (honey, milk, eggs, woolen clothing) but don't eat meat. Vegans do not eat meat or use any animal products.
Normally when people talk veganism they get lots of things wrong because they have to fight their own biases at the same time but this video was basically solid.
Hardley, he completely ignores the MOUNTAIN of research that proves just about everything he said was in many cases not only wrong but completely wrong.
@@mikesmicroshop4385 you need to know witch “mountain of evidence” is actually factually correct for example meta-analysis studies and peered reviewed studies are high end in the hierarchy of scientific evidence which plant based diets and vegetarian diets have support of major health organizations , there is no meta-analysis studies or peered reviewed studies of any kind that support the carnivore diet because the carnivore diet is nothing but pseudoscience and everyone of those carnivore UA-camrs you see on UA-cam either take or sell pharmaceutical supplements which in return helping “big pharma” funded research that you complain about because pharmaceutical supplements are a part of pharmaceutical industry
The thing is, going vegan (or plant-based if you are going with just the diet approach) is a conscious decision. Not only conscious about the planet, the animals, or whatever your motivation is, but with yourself. Like any other diet it has trade-offs. Be responsible and talk with a nutritionist and go for regular blood checks. Also, as a home cook, I find a vegan diet to be a lot more fun. You get to try a lot of new things and combinations.
Lol your argument is void. there are at least a dozen species of plants that eat animals and insects. look up the fly trap plant and the plant that traps mouse. avoiding meat is stupid considering even plants eat meat
@@MagP.i.e It can be much more expensive if say you're replacing ground beef with Impossible burger. But whole food plant-based staples like rice, beans and potatoes are some of the cheapest foods there are.
@@MagP.i.e Not really. Of course if you buy lots of processed stuff, it is. They aren't cheap. But to cut animal products altogether has been extremely good for saving money too, at least in my personal experience.
1:41 I was about to comment "source?" but then I saw you linked a lot of sources under the video, yey! \o/ So, I dived into it, and... no source for that claim. So, I looked it up myself, I found that early athletes have been described (by at least one ancient author) to have a vegetarian diet *with cheese,* then the diet changed to incorporate more meat. Maybe there's something more complex into that? 2:00 Sadly, there's nothing in your sources about this either, even if this time I agree that, as far as I know, the consensus in human paleontology is that we came first from specie that had _mostly_ a plant/fruit diet, and later started to integrate more meat. In a very more recent age, in fact when we started agriculture, we lowered the quantity of meat in our diet (resulting in a lower intake of vitamin D, which is probably what started more "nordic" humans to have a skin depimgentation in order to compensate this loss - vitamin D is synthised by our metabolism from some lipids, like cholesterol, but we need sunlight for this). 2:36 We don't have the same metabolism... this comparison makes no sense. Oh, and your vegan chimps (like many other apes) do eat meat from time to time, even if it's totally irrelevent to the diet of our own specie. 5:59 Not the same environnement. More sun, therefore probably a better production of vitamin D, which is essential for the solidity of our bones. Don't you think? 6:45 No kidding?! Understand me: I greatly lowered my meat and dairy products consumption, and I applause those who went totally vegan. But you can't come with a video titled "The Biggest Lie About Veganism" and do that many shortcuts, wild assumptions and approximations. Popularization does not mean cuting the parts of the subject we don't like.
Some interesting things (to me): B12 is only made by bacteria and Alge. When ruminant animals eat and ferment their food with bacteria, they get B12. Also sea animals (e.g. krill) eat Alge, so they all get B12. Some sea peoples eat Nori (seaweed) - a few forms of B12. Most mammal species make their own Vitamin C, only humans and artic elk need Vit C in diet, nop, elk do not eat lemons they eat lichen, fungus-Alge coop, makes Vit C, therefore elk dig thru snow to eat Lichens not vegetation.
The calcium issue might be the bioavailability of the calcium intake. Western vegans might not be eating calcium sources that absorb as well as those people living in Africa (referencing the example in the video). There could also be regional trait differences that allow for better absorption. I am thinking of something analogous to the Northern European tolerance for lactose.
not really, but bingo for the regional trait its not lactose but Vitamin D source : Vitamin D May Explain Higher Bone Fracture Risk in Vegans ua-cam.com/video/UpSSmTCR4rk/v-deo.html
Calcium from plant foods is actually 50% more bioavailable than calcium from dairy, the issue is that plant have a smaller quantities of it. One can still consume optimal amounts of calcium on a vegan diet without resorting to supplements, but it requires more conscious effort
Correct, but I wasn’t comparing dairy to plant calcium. I was comparing western vegans to the vegans mentioned in Africa and why there are differences. It could be what plants they are eating or the fact that they have been getting their calcium from that source for longer. I hope that makes sense .
The Harvard U Website has a good article on this topic and I think outlines one potential issue: "A downside to some plant foods is that they contain naturally occurring plant substances, sometimes referred to as “anti-nutrients.” Examples of anti-nutrients are oxalates and phytates that bind to calcium and decrease its bioavailability. Spinach contains the most calcium of all the leafy greens at 260 mg of calcium per 1 cup cooked, but it is also high in oxalates, lowering the bioavailability so that only 5% or about 13 mg of calcium can be used by the body. The takeaway message is not to avoid spinach, which contains other valuable nutrients, but not to rely on spinach as a significant source of calcium since most of it will not be absorbed by the body. You can also schedule your meals so that you do not eat “calcium-binding” foods like spinach at the same meal as calcium-rich foods or with calcium supplements."
Great video! And-aging biologist here-there are a couple of other theories as to why people on vegetarian or fully vegan diets might live longer. Firstly, plants make tiny quantities of defensive chemicals which are basically poisons to humans-but in such tiny quantities that our bodies may ‘overreact’ and go on a repair spree as a result of consuming them. This is called ‘hormesis’, and it’s the same idea as to why exercise is good for our health even though, in the moment, it damages our muscles. Secondly, we’ve known for a long time that eating less makes animals live longer (this is the rationale behind fasting being so trendy these days)…but what we don’t know is exactly what aspect of ‘eating less’ is having the effect. There’s one theory that it’s eating less of specific constituents of proteins that plants naturally have less of than meat, which could mean that a vegetable-rich diet with protein from nuts and beans is life-extending dietary restriction by the back door. Of course all this is very hard to prove because vegans do tend to be healthier in other ways, as you pointed out-but it does make things a bit more convincing that there are some theoretical reasons why it might extend lifespan as well as just the observational data!
In Samuel Thayer's book on foraging, he talks about how toxicity is all about dosage and usage specifics. A toxin is medicine when used appropriately at the right dose. A food becomes toxic when overconsumed. You can die from drinking too much water. Not from toxicity of course, flushes out your salts, but still dead. So what you're saying makes sense to me. Exercise causes microtears in the muscles but the end result is a stronger muscle. I think carnis throwing around all this plant toxin talk are confirming biases by oversimplifying the body, which is not simple in the slightest. I read that sulphorfane acts in this way of being slightly toxic but creating a strengthening response because of it. All in the dosage and timing and other specifics of the person as an individual.
Sorry, forgot you brought up the muscles thing already. Real!y a great comment, thanks for sharing strong ideas about complexity in this society of inflammatory stupidity
True. Meat absorbs B12 from bacteria living in the ground that get eaten by herbivores. We also produce a little in our gut iirc, but it's hard to absorb since it's further down our intestine, and we absorb it in the earlier part. Some dried mushrooms ( shiitake I know) contain it and some algae too.
Great video as usual guys. I have been vegan for over 10 years and take my B12 daily, I adore cycling and boxing and felt a significant improvement when I started, but is not my focus, It is the environment.
I went WFPB for several years and I didn’t thrive. I’m still mostly plant based, but I get a little extra protein from eggs and dairy and I eat fish a few times a week. Basically a plant-heavy Mediterranean diet I guess. Anyway I feel much better now and I’m taking absolutely zero supplements (nutritional supplements that is if you know what I mean 😜💨 )
I've been vegetarian for nearly 10 years now and I tried veganism for nearly 2 years. I gotta say when I was vegan I lost over 60 lbs. and I felt very healthy (I've had weight problems since elementary school). Then the pandemic hit, I was working in retail full-time, stress starting building back up so I switched back to a vegetarian diet and comfort foods and gained back all of the weight I lost. Thankfully I'm back to a weight loss routine and I'm starting to feel healthier again with less stress.
Veganism can help with weight not because it's healthier (it isn't inherently healthier than vegetarianism, vegetanarianism just allows certain things like lard or cheese which are easier to gain weight or cholesterol deposit with), but because you have access to less food (particularly pre-made food) that you _really_ like a lot, and food that you do like that can be vegan-compatible (like cake, icecream, doughnuts) will be more expensive. And other food might just not taste as good, such as pizza but possibly be more expensive as well. It's restricting what you can eat which results in a caloric restriction (by far the best way to lose weight, essentially the only way). You can get the same effect by eating a limited range of most food. Like eating only steak (and supplements) will also cause people to lose weight, because they won't have the time to make steak every time they want a snack, will generally have cost limitations in buying steak all the time, and will desire more variety than just steak every day.
During the pandemic, I went from a healthy whole food vegan diet to a junk food vegan diet. I was doing it for ethical reasons, not health reasons, but I wish I could get myself back to the Whole Foods that made me feel better.
Thanks for making this video! I think it's important to note that omnivores also consume B12 supplements, albeit unwittingly. The supplements are just administered to the animals they eat, so widespread veganism would help reduce the overall requirement for supplement production by way of cutting out the "middle-man". I am a land-use engineer and i am so happy i made the decision to go vegan 5 years ago for the planet 🌎
Nutritional yeast contains B12 and having a small amount of it can improve your mood and sleep if you need it, great way to add in any nutrients your body might need :)
This is not true. Maybe the case in the US but lots of African countries don't administer antibiotics to cattle not to talk of B12 and B12 deficiency is not running wild.
@@deeplyvibrantthat is a good point that supplementation is not happening everywhere, but my statement is still very much true as widespread B12 supplementation is most definitely happening on a very large scale in many countries. An example of one exception does not negate the validity of the widespread use of B12 in animal husbandry.
Big issue I have is protein to carbohydrate ratios between meats and plants. Plants with low carbs incredibly rarely have decent amounts of protein. Type 1 Diabetic here. And having had issues with the lack of regulation with supplements (ends up some Omega3 pills from a healthfood store had a sugar syrup in them for some reason??), I'm untrustworthy of everything.
Hello! I am also a T1D☺️ I eat primarily plant-based with some occasional fish. I find tofu is a great non-meat protein that is low carb and once you learn all the great ways to cook it, your options can be endless! Although it may take some getting used to. Beans and legumes are great as well bc of their high fiber that helps lower the carbs. I try to stay away from the “fake meat” products since they do tend to have carbs bc they are usually gluten proteins😩 As far a supplements, it really is a crap-shoot that kind of is up to trial and error, checking glucose before and after taking one to see if your sugar spikes and adjusting accordingly. The struggles of being t1D🙃 I had a pre-workout drink mix that would spike my sugars even though it claimed to have no sugar🙄 maybe someday we’ll get some better regulation….
Certain diets aren't for everyone. Considering your health, veganism probably isn't for you. In vegetarian diets, you can at least eat egg which is very filling and nutritious. And use supplements that are from reputable brands with ingredient lists that you have screened yourself (for example, added sugars). Personally, I think those with diabetes should eat healthy whole foods in a balanced diet with vegetables and meat (including fish), with minimal to moderate starchy foods (potatoes, rice, bread, etc). I'd suggest avoiding highly processed foods and sugars if possible. Nuts, egg, and certain fruits make great snacks.
I only went vegetarian about 6 months ago and it did wonders for my endometriosis. 90% of my usual menstrual pain has gone. I would consider going vegan in the future, or at least eat maybe 80% plant based.
I've been a fan of ASAPScience for a long time, but lately, I've felt that some of the information presented leans more towards cultural trends than solid science. For instance, the video on B12 supplements made me question the definition of a healthy diet. Isn't a truly balanced diet one where we get all our essential nutrients from food sources rather than relying on supplements? If we need to supplement something that's missing from our diet, could that indicate our diet isn't as balanced as it should be? I'd love to hear more thoughts on this
That's a really good question! But here, he is talking about all the aspects combined i feel.. while every diet has their own pros and cons, the animal based diets used to be healthy and balanced before the modernization and industrialisation times.. The point is, we can get a balanced diet and live really well on any diet whether traditional diets or on some more restrictive diets also! The fact is, it is not just for vegans that the b12 deficiency is alarming or concerning, today's time all diet is set to have the b12 deficiency since the animals in factories are also fed with supplements since their diet also missing the b13 intake while they are fed on cemented floors. The b12 is not found in animals but in natural soil and water as it is a form of bacteria 🦠 found in nature. As more and more synthetic and inorganic products are being produced which are lacking the b12, they're either fortified with additional micro-nutrients and minerals or we have to take a supplement occasionally when in need as directed by a proper physician or find out ourselves if we need to check on vital amines or not! It is really hard to live on an all natural diet as even the natural organic products are somehow mixed with pollutants in micro sized plastic and chemicals. Better we take the safer side and use the primary sources of nutrients directly from plants than second-hand nutrients from an animal or a middleman. With all these aspects, we can say a vegan diet and lifestyle is found to be healthiest for ourselves, for the environment, and for this only home planet! 😊🌱🌈✌🏻
@@changchen09 idk man. I eat only meat and i feel way better. It’s selfish I know but I can’t deny it. I mean cmon I have tried everything else (even vegan) and this just does it for me. It makes me happy, more energetic, more social, physically and mentally stronger. I mean if you wanna take away all those things from me to prove your point then so be it.
@@spyro7249 There's no man alive eating only meat! There are millions of people thriving without meat since centuries. Hence, that is the reality we are living' in! I gave you all the factual information needed out of years of profound research. Now, it is your choice to live being ignorant or to change for a better life 🧬 Goodluck 🍀✌🏻🥂
@@spyro7249 this is called strawman fallacy! It's not a wise way to defend yourself. Go logically & accept the reality and fight for justice ⚖️ & truth 🥲✊🏻 Be a real man! Defend the innocent voiceless beings with that power.. as well said, with great power comes great responsibilities 💪🏻💯🌟
good video, although i want to point out that b12 deficiency is prevalent among all diet groups, not just vegans and farm animals are supplemented with b12 before they are killed. Vegans have more fractures because they have lower BMI on average, which is a good thing and most studies account for confounding factors when comparing diet groups, so it isn't just that vegans are more "health conscious".
@@Shazam815look it up their digestive track is 90% similar to humans. Meat eating cats and wolfs have very short intestinal tracks. Humans are designed to eat plants not meat.
You missed a vital term DIAAS(Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score) which determines the digestibility of protein consumed in human foods, in a nutshell, meat, fish and eggs are a lot higher quality than vegetarian or vegan foods. There's a trend that vegan UA-camrs and influencers started becoming pescatarian, omnivorous due to health complications led because of their vegan diet. I'm not trying to sound pessimist but before going vegan keep this in mind.
There’s also a bunch of competitive athletes that are vegan have been for a long time. I have been vegan for 4 years I am athletic muscular, compete in weightlifting and soaring past the omnis in my gym. You can be strong and healthy on vegan diet and save animals too!
Athletes are not a good example for any general understanding of the worlds population. Athletes (or at least ones that perform well enough to be professionals) are ALL genetic outliers. The vast majority of Vegan athletes were not Vegan through puberty, were not Vegan most of their carrier, are on steroids (like most high level athletes are, sorry to burst your bubble) and most importantly have the genetics required to process protein more efficiently and effectively than the normal person thus they can recover faster, train harder more often and WIN. Your average Joe Vegan is likely to find their muscles go into atrophy if they had much to begin with almost straight away. The more they start with the longer it will take for them to end up with health conditions anywhere from a few months to 15years. I've known some people INCREDIBLY fit people (but not professional athletes) last around 5 years before starting to eat meet again. All of them found a slow decline in proformance, most thinking it was age, but then, when trying meat again gained back their losses in short order. Oh and remember if you are talking about HEALTH, pro athletes carriers are only a few years long. Once they retire they completely change how they eat and train if they do atall. Looking at sprint speed times is not going to help you formulate a healthy diet.
@@Tiny.transformationswe were meant to kill animals for their high quality bioavaible proteins and the high calories from the meat. They didn’t eat 2kg fruit a day to have enough calories to be on maintenance
Speaking as a mixed Chinese vegetarian for over 25 years, one factor that impacts calcium uptake is its biosolubility. Green veg need to be paired with fats and proteins to be better absorbed by our bodies. Pair up any leafy greens with omega-3-heavy oils or nuts and proteins like tofu and legumes. Cook beans with rice for tasty and more soluable starches. Medieval European diets had a lot of almonds, beans, whole grains, milk, and eggs for protein because eating meat was reserved for royalty and special ocassions. I gravitated towards Indian restaurants in my teens because it was easier to find vegetarian food that tasted great. There's a lot of really good knowledge to be gleaned from our histories to inspire ways we can survive and thrive. Not all the information from the past can be used today, but it can give us inspiration.
@@veganvaudeville309we can have an ethical conversation about what's right and wrong about eating animals, but that's a fundamentally different conversation then if it's "better for you" or if we're "not designed" to do it. Also trying to equivocate all living animals and insitsting we imbue them with at least some of our fundamental human rights seems like a big sell. Convincing someone that eating Chimps is bad because they have feelings and don't consent to being eaten is very different then saying the same thing about ants. Just my two cents. If veganism works for you, if it's a dietary choice that supports your health, and if it clears your conscious then good for you bro, I'm glad you've made a positive change in your life.
@@veganvaudeville309 You use animal products just like everyone else here. So much for your choice. Why do you use animal products NEEDLESSLY while only pretending to be against it it? Don't ignore the 'needlessly' this time.
Gorillas, chimps, spend most of the day chewing leafs and grasses. On top of that, look at their prominent bellies: their cecum is huge while compared to humans, they need that to be able to ferment plants so gut bacteria produces the fatty acids they need for energy. Once humans started consuming nutrient dense animal foods they were able to have more time to do things besides chewing and grew bigger brains
True. It's interesting to note the difference between the Chimp and Gorrillas digestive system. The Gorillas stomach is much longer, than a Chimps and ours, to manage a high plant based diet. The Chimps digestive system is much shorter, almost as short as ours, inclined for a meat plant based ratio. True as you say Chimps will eat meat, where as Gorilla's eat insects at most.
Water lentils contain B12. Like a lot of bioavailable B12. Calcium is not easily absorbed from milk. I do not take any calcium supplements and my calcium level is 9.8. The threshold is 10.3.
Calcium is also very much added to vegan milks... these points keep being repeated about vitamins and such but they are pretty outdated compared to common products. Same story with B12, D, and iron.
Found a source of water lentils at £7 for 240 grams but it's sold out. The only other product available online was an extract of water lentils costing almost £30!
tap water around here is filled to the brim with calcium. if yours isnt somehow, just buy mineral water like pellegrino, evian or whatever. a simple way to figure out if your tap water is "hard" (has lotsa minerals, most of which is usually calcium), is to see how much if any "regenerative" salt (or whatever it's called) your dishwasher needs. ours needs one kg every month which is a lot. another would be by taste, but for that you'd have to have a lot of experience tasting waters and know what they contained. personally, cold, hard water is the tastiest. legit surprised by how many people are afraid of their calcium levels and i never drink milk or bottled water.
@@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988 Are you aware about the Chlorine and Fluoride chemicals that are added to tap water? It also has higher levels of heavy metal residues. Also live in a hard water area which means using more soap and shampoo.
@@bodhiapurva3887 where tf do you live, wth well obviously, if you live next to a uranium mine, try not to drink local water, but no, our tap water doesnt contain any chlorine or fluoride to speak of, we dont drink indoor swimming pool water lol but either way, mineral water is still an option ps: more soap and shampoo bc of water? never heard of that before. my skin would immediately break out if i abused it like that
Yeah that was kinda cringe But a discussion around the ethics behind bestiality vs factory farming can be quite relevant considering the process of how female animals are inseminated
I mean, if you truly think about it critically for more than a minute, what do you call fisting cows in order to artificially inseminate them? Or forcing bulls to ejaculate? Is it not sexual assault performed on an animal by a human? Just to derive the pleasure of eating an animal's meat or consuming its breastfeed? The line is not so rigid between bestiality and the many inhumane practices of the livestock industry. Anyways, go vegan.
Regarding your references, please list the references in the order they apoear in your videos and for each reference put the time point in minutes and seconds. This will provide another way for your viewers to identify references in videos with their associated links.
Good luck. Vegans don't do stuff like that. They're more concerned about feeling good than looking at hard data. They'll cherry pick the entire yard until they find something they don't like, ignore it, and then continue preaching. To be vegan is to deny reality. They've done multiple studies on the *acres needed to support even the least impactful vegan diet and it's apocalyptic. Vegans never bring it up and pretend they're less destructive because factory farming is terrible. Funny, that wasn't the argument or point.
The b 12 argument lol im a supplentarian to eat all the food you essentially need is costly and you never get every vitamin essential to your mortality and fitness level it definitely helped me and most of this food is trash anyway lol I feel great I feel better fàsted not eating much full of vitamins and water and smoothies then eat like a few times a week lol I have kore focus and intelligence this food makes people literally stupid because your not focused keto genic diets work for athletic ism and intelligence definitely if youve ever done ot and not just listen to studies for an excuse not to do it
I swear meat eaters are NPC's like how can't they see that killing is bad? Oh but if their family, friend or pet gets killed all of a sudden their crying and melting down 🤖
I suffered from metabolic syndrome (obesity, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and high blood sugar). I went whole food plant based no sugar and oil and low salt and I lost 65 pounds, all my conditions greatly improved, my gums stopped bleeding, and erections and energy returned. I used to have an appetite that was never satisfied; whole foods cured it. I no longer use a sleep apnea machine. Finally, the food is cheap-Beans, lentils, sprouted flour less bread, rice, potatoes and seasonal apples. Also, I save money by not having to buy pills or visit the Doctor. I am thankful to all the vegans who suffered attacks to reveal the truth to me.
Your rhetoric is easily debunked, the meat didn't cause that. It's the food you where eating with the meat eg bread. Low carb, zero carbohydrates debunk your "Truth" also the high cholesterol isn't dangerous, it only is if you combine it with carbohydrates.
@@joanworth3st There is no healthy plants only diet for us. Any claims otherwise are anecdotal with no studies proving anything. We are all omnivores. Both of your accounts seem like sockpuppet accounts. First/last name followed by four numbers...
@@joanworth3st Fabricates outstanding results, In reality, those on a high fat low carbohydrate diet live longer and have superior blood work the lie comes from the fact they where previously on a HIGH FAT HIGH SUGAR diet. In order to claim otherwise you use debunked lies regarding cholestrol, ignore relevant factors and strawman and misrepresent the health impact, the use and need of artificial supplements ALWAYS LEADS to inferior nutrition than those that obtain it through foods. Before they killed themself by using two sources of energy that couldnt be used, now they are starving themself and relying on supplementation (Not all nutrients can be amply obtained on a vegan diet despite false claims) and almost all vegans rely on reinforced products that cannot compare to obtaining the nutrient through food itself and it NEVER will.
This is such a great video and I WANTED to thumbs up it, but the icon is SOOO clickbate-y and disingenuous, which prevented me from doing so. Am I thinking about this in the wrong way? I’m open to other ways of thinking if anyone wants to give their opinion :).
It would have been great to mention that b12 isn’t a integral part of an animal. The animals themselves attain b12 by drinking dirty water, eating soil etc. lots of farm animals need to be supplemented themselves! B12 is actually synthesised by bacteria in the dirty water/manure/soil. Eating animals is such a 2nd hand way of getting this vitamin. My grandmother had to have vit b12 shots and she ate meat every day, it’s something a lot of ppl don’t get enough of regardless of diet.
Agree somewhat, but ruminants largely absorb it from their gut microbiome if that is functioning properly. Generally animal ag isn't feeding them a sufficient diet though, so that's why supplements are used.
Thank you Asap science 🙏 ❤ there are so many anti vegan videos on youtube right now and as a non vegan im looking at making some big changes for my health and my conscious
Good luck! I've been vegan for almost 3 years now, and for me it was actually easier than i expected. You just have to stay informed and keep in mind what are you fighting for and what are you fighting against.
@@yumeko1993 Cosmic Skeptic still advocates that everyone who doesn't have health problems that prevent them from doing so should eat a fully plant based diet.
no he didn’t he quiet out of it making his symptoms worse. I become ill because of being vegan more people quit veganism then at the rate of people going vegan. because well humans aren’t herbivores but omnivores. if vegan was a good diet the majority of people would be vegan and would be thriving on a vegan diet it might work for the lucky few but I know 100s who have quiet and become really ill and actually nearly died it’s just something humans have never done and it isn’t our biology it’s only a recent thing that’s happening
Also, just more information is found out over time. I've read lots of studies on this subject and it matters both how they went about the study, who it is funded by or any declared conflict of interest, peer reviewed and more recent. Science always leaves room for new information to change the game. Something we tend to forget when looking at sources, especially older out of date ones vs newer long term and often wider studies that come out later.
@@ghoot Prove how my statement leads to conclusion of my inability to absorb a scientific video (which needs better defining, by the way), please. And, on the flipside, how is my statement not relevant to the observational and impartial standards expected of scientific methods? In addition, please specify what I have negated. So that I can confirm if you have understood my position precisely. Thank you.
I feel (yes feel. I'm not a scientist) that the way we farm animals makes a bigger difference. Industrial farming seems to have a lot more environmental downsides. Such as manure. From what I understand manure from industrial farmed cows is so toxic that it destroys any soil it touches leading to more waste and the need to make synthetic fertilizer, creating even more waste. While manure from non industrial famred cows is turned into fertilizer to aide and boost the growth of plants, reducing waste.
industrial farming is already one of the worst but grass feed is x3.5 worse for global warming source : Oxford academic "Direct measurements of methane emissions from grazing and feedlot cattle
Some important added info: People with higher BMI have stronger bones due to weight bearing, and vegans have lower average BMI... thus smaller bones and more risk of fractures when accidents happen. There are also studies showing higher milk consumption in adulthood is linked to higher osteoporosis. It's likely because when arteries are clogged and intramuscular fat builds up over time, bones aren't getting minerals delivered effectively. And/or they might be leaching minerals due to acidosis. When comparing vegan diets to traditional diets, it's important to remind people that most meat eaters are deficient too. Eating meat or dairy isn't a one-stop shop for micronutrients. Most meat eaters are deficient in folic acid, among other vitamins and minerals. When you're eating your nutrients from leafy greens, pulses, tubers, and fruits, you're too full for meat... and don't need it at all. It's possible to get all your nutrients with animal products in the diet, but I find it more difficult. Most meat eaters are sacrificing healthier foods for their meat. Also, vegan milk is supplemented with calcium for kids, but I recommend getting some calcium powder and fortifying smoothies and sauces with a little more. Also, a lot of vegans don't care about health at all... yet we're all grouped together in studies. Often, studies that claim to be about vegans in the news headlines actually include vegetarians. Look specifically at the whole food plant-based studies, those show that wfpb is the best diet for human health. Farmers have to supplement the animals with B12 as well. B12 is in water and soil, which is sanitized away. I was deficient as a meat eater and so are most people... farmers might be cutting corners. Everyone should get tested and supplement B12 as a precaution. There is actually a plant with B12, the water lily.
The study this video mentions literally admits their findings are not statistically significant when you account for BMI, therefore the claim that vegans have higher chance of bone fracture is a classic case of correlation and not causation. The media went apeshit over the skewed findings and most of them totally forgot to mention the BMI part. But the damage is done. People will now tell you that veganism is scientifically worse for your bones, even though that is not the actual outcome of this study.
Always good stuff. You forgot the the impact of ‘I feel better about myself as a human being! ‘ gained as a result of going vegan. This has improved my self worth and therefore improved my relationships. Improved my health anxiety and reduced my candy intake too.
this is all based on perspective and doesnt represent any group in any way at all. I have no intention of going Vegan as animal based products just taste so good to me. I love a good piece of steak etc. yet I do not consider myself any less of a human being for doing so. I fully understand the consequences of eating meat, yet for the same reason people dont stop driving their cars, using their cellphones, pretty much doing anything that requires fossil fuels to be produced and so on, I also am not going to stop eating meat unless my health absolutely requires it
You may not consider yourself as less of a human, but if you know the impact of meat, it can still feel good to stop (or even just reduce) its consumption. That's not to say it's easy, but I do think that this still applies
Somewhat unrelated: The reason people use cars is not because they are efficient intrinsically, but because our cities are designed in such a way that they are the fastest mode of transportation. In countries like the Netherlands, cars are less common, because of city design. Comparing this to meat consumption is interesting, but I'm too lazy to think about it right now so idk if it's a good comparison
“I've been on the carnivore diet for 5 months, I recently had a blood test and my bad cholesterol level is high. I'm 47 and my doctor told me I had a 60 year old heart. Should I continue with this diet?” Shawnleclerc
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study? We both know you won't. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
@@georgewilson7808 Glad you agree with me, that isn't a plants only diet study. The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants. As usual, you're making things up. You evaded both questions as usual. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed -The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
I have a water buffalo at my home(in Haryana India, we have a stable attached to our home for quick access to our pets). She gives the tastiest milk in the world. She always stays happy, she is curious about everything and has a shiny black finish. Buffalos are not as dumb as people think. As I observed, buffalos are much smarter than cats. Cats don't regret when they bite you, but my pet quickly picks up her foot as soon as she realize that it is stepped on your foot, then she steps aside. They can also learn many voice commands like she moves ahead when I say " aage ho", and comes to me when I say "aajya" and she can be programmed to respond to many more voice commands.
@@Kelseyveg No, she makes sounds and shows strange behavior when she wants to mate. Buffalos give birth every 1.5 years. Mine gives birth every 2 - 2.5 years.
I am currently following a vegetarian diet. I wish I could go fully vegan but I have had 80% of my small bowel removed thus cannot currently handle foods high in fibre (which eliminates a lot of veggies) I wish I could do more for both planet and animals so ill say those of you have been following a vegan diet, I applaud you. To those of you who have even tried to be more mindful about their consumption of animals I applaud you too. It is not easy, especially when you tend to be the minority. To anyone who is flirting with a more plant-based diet, I urge you to have a play around with Asian/African recipes. Maybe I have been living under a ginormous rock but I have recently found that I can introduce my family to such wonderful plant based food where they do not even miss the meat. We are British *queue bland cooking jokes hehe* but my family love Ghanaian Groundnut soup, Kontomire stew which is spinach stew (apologies if I am butchering the spelling. Red red (black eyed beans) and of course the beloved jollof. I myself am a sucker for seitan, tofu, and tempeh!
Vegan since 10 years back, just wanted to tell you that you are amazing who keeps a vegetarian diet despite having medical problems - YOU are the one who should be applauded and I think I speak for all vegans when I say that =)
If it's fortified yes. Where I live , what you find in most stores is not fortified. Still a good source of protein , other types of B vitamins, and the cheesy flavor tho :D
@@mitkoogrozev I'm jealous. All of the nutritional yeast where I live (Canada) almost all is fortified and unfortunately, my genetics means my body can't utilize hydroxycobalamin (cheap synthetic B12 form) and the synthetic folic acid in it is actually bad for me. I had to special order unfortified nutritional yeast (I got it for the extra B1).
I have a question, for my issue is: How can I avoid being ill to my stomach after eating greens? Ever since I was a little child, I've been unable to consume greens and a few vegetables without throwing them up or feeling nauseous if I don't throw them up. Even if I try combining them with foods that I like it still has the same effect on me. Whenever I try to eat them now, I invariably have a nasty stomachache or wind up throwing up. In addition, in 9 months I'll be an adult legally and produce is inexpensive and better for the environment. I've also never experienced problems with fruits, some herbs, or asparagus (that's only when I consume the asparagus with other foods though). I've been living off of multivitamins manufactured from vegetables, but even those make me nauseous. Maybe I'm just anxious when I eat greens but still, It's a problem. I can't just survive eating mostly meats, fruits, dairy, and bread. Or can I?
Plants are full of toxins and lectins (plant and vegetable defense mechanisms) that cause “leaky gut” where microscopic silica like hooks (think of it like asbestos) pierce your gut lining causing waste to leak into your bloodstream. Most lectins cannot be cooked out of vegetables even with enough heat. Look into that. Your gut lining may not produce enough biome to pass the amount of lectins needed to stop those symptoms. Ironically this can be fixed by eating meat, fats, and eggs.
i am turkish and and we often drink mineral water for digestive system disorders. I’m in the Aegean region from Turkiye and this region famous for it’s herbal cuisine. You can search from google and look our menus. 😊(Also At the same time, the Mediterranean region is famous for its herbal cuisine. There is even a famous diet called the Mediterranean diet. You can find many vegan alternatives if you search on Google.) I talk too much, so my grandma’s recipe when we have a stomach disease: brewed mint! It has really cured all my stomach aches and reflux until today. I think you should drink mineral water or brewed mint after eating. I hope i could help you. 💚🍀
Some suggestions 1. Where do the supplements come from? Vegan sources or not, how environment friendly etc etc 2. Vitamin D intake increases calcium absorption, could be the geographical impact you were looking for, as sunlight depends on latitude and also lifestyle of people may dictate intake of vitamin D, for eg. West africa has lot of sunlight and a lifestyle where people stay outdoors a lot, thus increasing vit D intake and calcium absorption
1. making pills is quite difficult, thing of all the processes and chemicals/machinery needed for them, B12 comes from bacteria that usually gets absorbed by the meat. 2. Reliance on pills weakens the stomach acid, and over-reliance on them weakens their effect due to our own system getting too used to it, each generation we can see that humans become weaker and less robust.
B12 is as easy as pie to produce and has no particular negative impact on the planet. Pills are plants based and you can even find your B12 in solid chewable tablets (such as in the Veg1). Plus, animals take artificial B12 too because of the diet they are forced to follow. So whether you take pills or meat, you are supplemented in B12.
I just take vitamin D pills (2,00 iu's/day is perfectly safe and adequate). Many people are deficient, and it can be difficult, impractical, or unsafe to get enough sunlight. You also need vitamin K. The easiest place to get that is in green vegetables, which have quite a bit.
@@Amin-al-Husseini_1941pictureDo you have science to back up your claim that each generation is ’weaker and less robust’ than the one that came before it?
“I was on KETO for 2 years. I lost weight and my blood sugars and A1C went down but then…. My blood sugar numbers started going up along with my weight and my A1C went from a 5.1 to 5.7. I decided to go plant based because that's what I was before but I wasn’t doing it the correct way. This time I did it with no fat/low fat. My A1C went down to 5.1. My fasting blood sugar is 77 and I’m eating more carbs than ever before. I trust Cyrus and Robby!” fredsj
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study? We both know you won't. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
@@georgewilson7808 Glad you agree with me, that isn't a plants only diet study. The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants. As usual, you're making things up. You evaded both questions as usual. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed ~The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
I live in Portugal a country that loves meat and fish and bullfights, my family were mainly butchers and my great-grandfather and grandfather used to participate in bullfights. Going vegan made my cholesterol and triglycerides go down to optimal levels (confirmed by my doctor), my weight is at 70Kg all the time (don't need to concern about that), I can eat a lot of food if I want, I don't feel tired at all, I still exercise and practice bjj, I can sleep at night knowing I am not sending animals to Hell.. I mean.. slaughterhouses, my ecological footprint went down... The only thing I regret is not going vegan sooner.
In America my cholesterol went up quite noticeably when I went vegan for a few months, and I only noticed it even after I tried cutting out all junk food and processed foods, likewise with my GF who went vegan for a year. I was also quite weak and my workouts and runs were slightly worse. I even tried high/low carb and not much seemed to had changed. Maybe my diet plan was bad, or I wasn't eating enough or eating too much, or it was all coincidence, but after slowly reintroducing animal products I was back and even better than ever in some instances.
@@jaek__ I guess my personal experience was quite different than yours then. I make sure to eat enough calories mostly from whole foods. I don't worry about protein anymore as most of the times I reach at least 70 grams by eating lentils, oats, beans, seeds and nuts.
One of the reasons I love your channel is that you don’t use the research to convince us to choose a side. I’m curious though, after doing the research for this video, what do you guys eat?
The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life; they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study? We both know you won't. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life; they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
@@georgewilson7808 Glad you agree with me, that isn't a plants only diet study. The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants. As usual, you're making things up. You evaded both questions as usual. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed ~The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life; they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
Vegan for 7 years! Changed my diet (and other lifestyle factors like daily meditation, switching jobs, etc) while on medical leave in 2016 due to autoimmune disease and I've been in remission ever since ♡
@@harbingerbk1 theres no studies of just red meat eaters. and there are people who eat only red meat and nothing else that have no cvd and have zero immune diseases.
I'm vegan because I cant bare eating animals products anymore because it distgusts me. Also going vegan forced me to come to terms with nutrition, that's why I think I'm more healthy, not because "the vegan diet"(it doesn't exist lol) is healthier than "the omnivore diet"(same here). If we start to enrich basic foods with micronutrients like cows meat is often containing b12 due to supplementing the cows. We could make meat substitutes from high grade potato protein/mycoprotein and pack them with creatine, calcium, b12 and d3.
Thanks for a super interesting video! My health definitely improved when I cut out meat, because I was a super picky eater at the time and it forced me to diversify my diet. I think now I'm a lot more mindful about what I eat and creative when I cook :)
I think that is a good point. Many vegetarians/vegans tend to have more knowledge and think more about what they eat. The average meat eater just put things in his mouth.
@@olympelullyhat because "your average meat eater" is just your average human. And your average human is not diet conscious. But there are plenty of diet conscious and knowledgeable humans that follow an omnivore diet, don't be silly
You did two separate things. You stopped eating meat. You started eating a variety of vegetables. They're not exclusive choices. You could have added a variety of vegetables to your meat inclusive diet and had true diversity.
Complete opposite for me. Eating no meat one day for religious reasons has left me not enough nutrition. Im a rlly picky eater too but I Know the vegan/vegetarian life is NOT for me😌👍. you do you. 7:36 yeah at the same time you get low blood pressure. So still
@@rustymozzy Not the point. Doing one forces the other. Which is extremely important for picky eaters. When you have no choice because something other than a vague notion of diversifying your diet is motivating you, it's much harder to do. I share this person's experience, my personal desire to be vegan forced me to eat more varied foods and healthier ones.
Dairy consumption increases breast cancer. Dairy is full of the hormone estradiol because the dairy cow is milked while it is pregnant and it has been measured in the milk. The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2 showed the more milk the Adventists consumed the higher the breast cancer. This study was confirmed by a study in China, CHINA KADOORIE BIOBANK STUDY. The Conclusion: The more dairy you consume the higher your breast cancer risk. ¼ cup/day of milk increases breast cancer risk by 17%.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study? We both know you won't. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a great whole plants diet study. The participants got healthier in many ways. They had so much success they let the control group do the diet after the study ended. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@georgewilson7808 The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants. As usual, you're making things up. You evaded both questions as usual. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a great whole plants diet study. The participants got healthier in many ways. They had so much success they let the control group do the diet after the study ended. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
Fun fact because I was interested in it, mushrooms have low levels of B12 except shiitake has fairly high levels. Vegans could opt to eat more mushrooms in their diet to avoid having to take supplements
The safest (and cheapest) option is to just have a B12 supplement. It usually consists of other important vitamins and minerals the lazy vegans might like myself might not reach every day, making it a valuable decision for the future. Interesting about the shiitake, thought. I wasn't aware, but a quick google search did inform me that it does contain it. Would be interesting to know if it is bioavailable too, as B12 comes in several "flavours".
UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate high fat (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study? We both know you won't. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
Vegetable Police has gone back and forth and he says his poops smell terrible when carni. He does get much calmer and puts on muscle more easily. But he does super low-protein extreme vegan diets most of the time like fruitarian. Switching back and forth has probably kept him alive, too many years of his extreme aporoach to everything would kill him gone on long enough.
About 10 years ago the dietary associations around the world(USA 1st) started stating - 'a well planned vegan diet can be ok....'. Because most people are meat eaters, and dietary policy is political - 'well-planned' made the statement more palatable. Also most people are more concerned and kowledgeable about putting good gas in thier cars than eating the best food. They (American dietary Association) didn't really want to acknowledge vegan diets but there was and is too much evidence to ignore and some of them really do care I hope.
@@baza0 though I don't want to speak for an entire organisation, I think the well planned bit is kind of a "political padding" per se and kind of not. I agree that it was put in because most people are meat-eaters, but it's not a lie by anything but omission. The thing is, when most people see the statement, they fail to consider that all diets must be well planned. The stereotypical American diet is abysmal compared to the diet of a health conscious vegan. Is the optimum human diet vegan? Maybe not. Am I willing to shave off the ability to pull a car with my nutsack in order to save billions of land animals and trillions of fish each year. Yeah.
@@tombradshaw1378 I agree, it's a status-quo bias. As you say, the average American diet is terrible, even outside of cardiovascular health, over 50% of Americans are deficient in something. Of course, it's not just America. The average diet here in the UK is similarly terrible and our dietetics association say the same thing. I guess one positive is that it could increase the health of people who are changing their diet (on average), decreasing the cases that industries pushing against plant-based foods like to emphasise. Although to be honest, it reads like copium as I'm writing this out.
@@tombradshaw1378 If the world went vegan the planet would would first become toxic with chemicals as it has in the past forty years, then we would lose all the animals that have been creating soil for millions of years.
@@baza0 Nonsense! You are referring the expired ADA statement that had vegan activists for authors, it was a rogue statement that went against all evidence and every governing health body who recommends a balanced diet. Their is no evidence that veganism is any better than other decent high-plant omnivorous diets, but there is plenty of evidence that it is worse. No amount of spin from you can make the expired ADA statement look plausible.
This video seems to present a very one-sided view of veganism, missing key facts about its environmental impact and overall sustainability. For example, it claims that being vegan is good for the planet because it uses less water and is better for the environment. However, recent studies suggest that one of the biggest contributors to methane emissions today is rotting produce, not livestock. Additionally, when discussing land and water usage, it fails to mention that cows and other livestock primarily consume feed that humans can't, and they are essential in turning non-arable land into high-quality food. The video also overlooks the fact that the water used in agriculture and cattle farming is part of the Earth's water cycle. Just as the saying goes, "We are still drinking dinosaur pee," because the total amount of water on Earth remains constant-it gets recycled. This point is critical when talking about resource usage. Another thing to note is use of extensive pesticides during farming which is more harmful to the overall water body rather than a cow drinking it. Lastly, the video touches on calcium intake but muddles the science behind it. It suggests that calcium-rich foods don't always result in better bone health but doesn’t explain how calcium is absorbed or why other factors like vitamin D and magnesium are necessary for calcium to be effectively used by the body. In conclusion, rather than debunking myths, this video adds to the confusion around these important issues. It oversimplifies complex topics and omits key data that would provide a more balanced view.
Ok first two claims Rotting produce probably just means uneaten food right? Thats a problem of over production, not veganism, both vegans and non vegans can and do buy to much food and are more likely to buy from larger selections at grocery stores, throw food out to early etc which contribute to uneaten food Second, animal agriculture simply takes more land, they ether need lots of grazing land or lots of feed, huge, like unbelievably huge amounts of land are dedicated to growing animal feed, what like 70-80% of all soy farming is for animal feed, also cows consume calories to grow, so you dont get all the calories you put in back, if you get rid of animal agriculture you just have more land that could grow food for people, wether or not this plant agriculture is being used for food we eat rn doesn’t really matter outside of well, if you switch you needa switching period
wonder how the planet functioned before humans put cows on their land. Also the absolute majority of livestock is locked up inside, unable to move properly. I could go on.. every single argument you presented is flawed.
5:04 you skipped where animals get the B12. From what I've heard cows and bunnies eat grass and veggies with dirt on it so they get all the B12 they don't make it themselves just like us
2:35 Actually, you are completely wrong about chimps, they are very well known to eat monkeys, small antelopes and even each other. In fact, the brutal chimp attack in which a chimp named Travis mauled a woman had also eaten pieces of her face.
It is the social media mate, what did you expect ? 😅 Armchair professors giving lectures to other armchair professors. In short, most primates are omnivores or carnivores.
I went vegetarian (not vegan) for four years. My body has always required more protein than most and have an allergy to a lot of nuts and beans as well as soy, so I had to purchase a lot of other plant based protein to stay healthy. . Between the pandemic and having to drop to part time work due to my health problems I couldn't afford the plant protein anymore. It made me sick and I was consuming more carbohydrates to not feel hungry. I gained more weight and got high blood pressure. As of now, I reintroduced poultry back into my diet and feel much better. The only issue is that poultry is now becoming too expensive due to the bird flu issue. Ugh...
I seem to be sensitive to eating protein replacements too if I exclusively eat those too regularly. When I eat meat regularly I have more energy and generally feel better. But, I do try to research where the meat I eat comes from so I can have ethically raised food animals. I eat as little meat as possible, but it still needs to be every day. I think most people can go vegetarian or vegan. But a few of us have sensitivities or allergies that require us to have meat, just like there are some people allergic to meat. Variety is what's important (as humans overall, with less focus on meat because it's only one part of one food category).
I expected so much from this video. You’re supposed to be respectable ambassadors of science and yet you don’t talk about the effects on the body this diet has, the secondary carbon emissions which aren’t quantified by your ‘study after study after study’ and having read your description I noticed you forgot references.
The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) Outcome: The WFPB diet can be seen as an effective, safe option for weight loss and chronic disease risk and quality of life improvements. Key foods included whole grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented. The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication and blood glucose and their cholesterol dropped. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. The BROAD study, however, lasted only 3 months, yet the plant-based group not only lost significant weight, they kept it off. This study ran from August 2014 to 2015 and was extended to 2017.
There is no healthy plants only diet. No study shows otherwise. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChedThere's "just" this meta-analysis made by the largest nutrition organization on the world on vegan diets: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/
@@lauroaranha Glad you agree there is no healthy plants only diet study. I said plants only...not plant based with supplements, fortified foods, or animal products. Pasting an expired position paper based on a survey means nothing to me. I accept your concession.
@@lauroaranha Can you tell me the plant those pills, shots, and powders grow on? I have never seen a pill bush. Happy to see you have to agree with me since your only defense is "supplements are magically plants because I say so." Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
G'day, i have a Bachelors degree in sustainable agricultural science from the University of Queensland. As someone who is actually educated in this field it is worrying how many science youtube channels get parts of this topic incorrect (not saying they are wrong overall but youtubers arent normally educated in this field). Firstly in regards to less impact on the environment the answer is alot more nuanced when it comes to beef production. First im going to qoute the Food and Agriculture organisation of the UN. Earths surface is made up of 71% ocean and water bodies. the remaining area is land whcih is 29%, we only live on 29% of the planet! Of this 29% of Land on the planet, only 13%! is useful for arable production (crop production to the layman). Now with extra fossil fuels and more land clearing we could increase this to over 16% but we can agree that we dont need to clear anymore. Why does so much of our food come from so little land? Well simply put growing crops is harder than you think, factors that affect where you can crop range from precipitation, temperature, light (latitude), soil electrice charge (cation exchange capacity, and yes soil has electric charge that affects nutrient uptake), nutrients in the soil, soil makeup (clay, loam and sand soils) and factors such as ice and deserts just to name the main ones. So why is this important when it comes to meat? Well 26% of the earths land is used for animal production on land that is not suitable for crops but can grow pastures that need alot less nutrient and rainfall. This phytomass is then through rumination in ruminants is turned into proteins, volatile fatty acids and sugars that the animals then turn into meat. In regards to methane production during methanogenisis in the ruman, methane although 80 times more potent lasts around 13-20 years in the atmosphere. My friend who has a science degree and is working for the Australian government is trying to get government bodies to stop averaging methane over a 100 year period like they do with C02. I can continue to go on but to sum it all up, meat production needs to continue to meet the food demands for the world's growing population, with time and funding animal agriculture is becoming more and more environmentally friendly and animal welfare is increasing. (ps if farmers are cruel to livestock they become stressed and when stressed animals have a decrease in their production so its not profitable to be cruel).
@Corinna Henderson in pasture systems its grass grown on land that cannot sustain crops which is fed to livestock majority of the time, i dont think you realise how hard and how particulate most crops are when it comes to soil type and conditions. when it comes to feedlot cattle for example majority of feed given to livestock is things such as low grade corn, carrots, barely and other grains that were meant for human consumption but are deemed too low qaulity for human consumption. So instead of wasting the food that humans cant eat we feed it to animals, this sadly is never spoken about (normally in arable agriculture crops for human consumption make way more than ones grown for livestock)
The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. The ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2, which included a large population of Seventh-day Adventists, found that individuals following a vegetarian diet (including both lacto-ovo vegetarians and vegans) had a lower risk of developing coronary heart disease compared to non-vegetarians. The study highlighted the protective effects of plant-based diets. Participants: 96,000 Adventists living in the U.S. and Canada.
There is no healthy plants only diet for us. No study says otherwise. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@georgewilson7808 Plant based diet is NOT the reason 7th day adventist are healthy. Instead, it is their healthy lifestyle that made it possible. No alcohol, no drugs, no late nights, no stress, no tobacco. If you need to blame food, it is junk foods. Most junk foods are plant based.
@@Zenithx3 You want me to prove a negative? Do you also want me to prove there isn't a higher being? There are currently no healthy plants only diet studies. Find one to show I am wrong or accept that fact there currently isn't any. Either way...I win.
Okay, the whole “gorilla can be jacked on plant based diet” gets my goat. The gorilla eats 20kgs of fruit and leaves PER DAY. Along with bugs and other stuff it easily adds up to 300g of protein from the sheer volume of food consumed. This volume is simply not doable for a human.
Gorillas also eat mainly leaves and weight a few HUNDRED kilos. Don’t worry, bro, you can get more than enough protein from plants and be as jacked as a human can be.
The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. The ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2, which included a large population of Seventh-day Adventists, found that individuals following a vegetarian diet (including both lacto-ovo vegetarians and vegans) had a lower risk of developing coronary heart disease compared to meat eaters. The study highlighted the protective effects of plant-based diets. Participants: 96,000 Adventists living in the U.S. and Canada.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study? We both know you won't. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed People who eat meat take B12 supplements, why do you care if people who eat plants take B12 supplements. Think about it. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@georgewilson7808 Thanks for agreeing there is no healthy plants only diet studies. I win. Still evading my other question? Typical. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed You have no studies that show meat, dairy, and eggs in the human diet is healthy. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@Aashishkebab if you feel like it sure why not, I'm just pointing out at the fact that anthropologically our genus started eating meat and our digestive system is that of an omnivorous animal.
On the B12 point, I've always heard that you can't get B12 from plants and thus, if you don't want to eat dairies, eggs or meat, you should take complements. I have a mostly vegan diet (for conveniency I sometime eat vegetarian) for 2 years and I never invested myself much in having a healthy diet but after having been warned by my mom and various online contents, I slowly realized that It would be better to be a little more serious about it. So here I am trying to grasp the basics of nutrition... That's how I found French gov's "Table Ciqual" which is a data base on the nutritional composition of many food (dishes or raw ingredients). According to this data base, seaweed do contain B12..! Did you hear something about that?
Supplements are the most reliable source. Your options for maintenance are: - 2mcg three times a day (possible but kind of a pain to ensure through fortified foods, not recommended); - 50mcg once a day; - 1000mcg twice a week.
Here's a thing. If I immediately disappeared, the difference of my impact towards the environment would be infinitesimal (exaggeration, but you get my point). And if I stopped eating animal products, it would only make my life more depressing, as if life is not hard enough already. Why would I have to suffer when the problem doesn't lie on small people like me, but on unnecessarily rich people and big corporations? I respect everyone's reason for going vegan but if you can't force me to become one.
Nobody is forced to go vegan. These videos just pick the 'studies' they want. They don't tell you to do a balanced diet. They tell you to just eat plants and pills as if making those pills is something you could do if you were on a farm. say you want cabbage. You plant the seed and now you wait for them to grow. weeds will start to grow quicker but we don't eat weeds so we pick the weeds and water the cabbages. meanwhile you're hungry. You could eat last month's cabages but they spoiled so you can't have cabages. your diet needs cabages tho so what now? cabages won't grow all seasons as well so you need to wait for the right season. you need food. so you plant potatoes and those grow almost every season but since you don't use pesticides and you're pro animals, some potatoes will be eaten by bugs and not all the work will be rewarded yet you will have many but now all you eat is potatoes. don't mind me if I go hunt and have some protein to continue working on my potatoes and maybe sell some so I can cover the expenses.
I was also surprised by that, yeah.. it's worth mentioning the sentence that precedes the section he cited, though: while there are 3 more cases per 1000 people of stroke in vegetarians, there are 10 fewer cases of ischaemic heart disease per 1000 compared to meat eaters.
The presenter is making a fundamental mistake in stating the guerrillas having more muscle due to his vegetarian diet. It is a fact that all Mammals rely on saturated fat. The herbivores don't use the grass in their own guts, they rely on the fermentation of vegetation by bacteria which produces short chain fatty acid - a saturated fat. Humans, unfortunately don't have this function and we poop out most of the fibre. The one thing that Vegans will never be able to argue against - you are relying on supplements that didn't exist 70 years ago, and that means humans living prior to B12 would not be healthy on a vegan diet. You will be very arrogant to think that a man made pill can change millions of years of evolution.
You may want to look into b12 more deeply. B12 from animal exploitation is maintained by giving animal the b12 supplement. That nutrient is not animal drived but microorganism derived and it is not in the sterile water and food we eat nowadays as a result. You can drink river water or not wash your veggies to take b12 as well or give the animals those to make them take but food poisoning is not a good idea. In conclusion, nonvegans wouldn’t be able to take b12 as well in the past for the same reason of absence of supplements with the current diet of exploitation. Also, it is a logical fallacy to draw excuses from past. We are not living in the past, we need to talk about current status. We are communicating through tech arent we?
INTERHEART STUDY, a global case-control study, investigated risk factors for acute myocardial infarction (heart attack) in various populations. It found that a high intake of fruits and vegetables was associated with a lower risk of heart attack, emphasizing the cardiovascular benefits of plant-based foods.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study? We both know you won't. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed A study out of Norway, the BROAD study, is a whole food plant based study that proved in improved health. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@georgewilson7808 The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants. As usual, you're making things up. You evaded both questions as usual. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed In the Broad study they only ate plants and it was wildly successful. They continued it for years instead of ending the study. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
I am Circus Acrobat training up to 6 hrs a day and off course performing a lot. I do blood tests regularly and surprise surprise my B12 was at the high end even tho I dont take any supplements! The rest of vitamins was perfect. 10 years Vegan and I didnt take any antybiotics since. Before that I was ill every 4-5 months! My body also feels better and i fixed some issues I had with my spine just by eating the right food. I also feel lighter and way more energetic even tho I am older. I know what to eat and I love to study nutrition. Plants are full of nutrients and even tho we eat clean food and water in modern world so we don't get the B12 that we use to have directly from bacteria we now have it in fortified foods just as much as we fortifiy animals. Skip the middle man and eat plants directly. Books: "The China study," "How not to Die"," Proteinaholic", "Your body in balance" - explains how our body works with food and what is killing us and what is making us healthy. Hundreds of studies and plants always win! On top of that, fun fact in my pregnancy i ate only fruits for 6.5 monhts! Put only 9 kg in my belly that i lost 10 days after labour. My baby came bigger than avarage 3.66kg and super healthy. So another myth about vegan babies....WFPB diet is So much pleasure, so tasty, sooo healthy and cruelthy free! It's a win win! So why not to do this if it's so much better???
The only part of your statement I'd like to dispute is cruelty free. Nothing in our culture is entirely cruelty free, the closest for fruits and veggies you can get is if you have some form of people owned farmers market, anything bought from a grocery store or big corporation 100% has cruelty involved when they kill any animals that enter the fields, not to mention the clearing of forests for the fields to exist in the first place.
But look at how small the primates brains are ....What happens to vegan babies? And it seems without milk and meat proteins children won't grow to their optimal height.” Additionally, children raised on a vegan diet may not achieve ideal brain development. “If you cut out fish, eggs and milk, you're cutting out their sources of iodine which is really important for a growing brain.”Jan 14, 2022
To me the hardest part about being plant based is having to put up with all the carnists haranguing us to eat meat or dairy. That said, I am so over the "Oh, but we have theses canines!" argument. My eye teeth come to a blunt.....VERY blunt point instead of having a non-pointy top. and even the person I know with the most prominent canines, his canines are nowhere near those of a lion/tiger/wolf/fox/etc. Oh, and if you're gonna use the lion comparison, you need to stop cooking that meat you're putting in your piehole.
There is plenty of times that supplements are important. In cases of food insecurity, absorption issues, etc. If you can get enough through diet, great, but that's not always in someone's control and supplements are a good backup
Absorption of supplements is NOT the same as absorption through dietary intake, and the supplement industry is the wild west. Wildly unregulated and often containing large amounts of contaminants as well as varying levels of the reported ingredients. While supplements can be of aid in a medically supervised usage and carefully sourced they can also be downright dangerous, though usually, they're just a waste of money you're peeing away every day.
I can't wait for this comment section to be filled with people who feel even the mere mention of not eating animal products has offended them, their mother, their mother's mother, and their mother's mother's great great grandmother. I think you guys presented this very respectfully and truthfully. It is undoubtedly more environmentally beneficial and ethical, but any diet can be unhealthy. It isn't about the food you are eating, it's about the nutrients your body is absorbing. Every nutrient the human body needs to sustain itself and live at a comfortably healthy level can be found in plant products and are soluble to our digestive systems. Sometimes that does mean fortifying things differently, yes, but I never recall anyone getting angry over FORTIFIED MILK which is an animal product we fortified for maximum benefits. It's the same thing, just without the animal. I refrain from animal products for my ethical values/reasons as I do not believe other living SENTIENT beings need to suffer just so I can eat. It's not a requirement to cause suffering nor is it healthy for your mind when you learn what cognitive dissonance is and start deconstructing the bias you have around non-human animal lives and their value.
I feel this. I had a chuckle a bit ago that there were comments left vehemently battling both sides 15 minutes after the video dropped. At the end of the day, any diet will result in some amount of exploitation, but there is no silver bullet for either side. We should all be working together to reduce exploitation and looking for solutions toward that goal.
@@TotalBorroto you could argue semantics. I like using the word "sapient" over "sentient." But your argument here takes us to trees and stuff used for homes, to river sand (full of life btw) used for concrete, the molds we kill with pesticides, whatever. Nobody wants to live straight up outside without a literally magical druid in the party.
I would really love more data about how one's ancestry changes the benefits of different types of diets. Comparing group that descended from those in areas where meat was more plentiful then plants, vis versa and those with access to a good balance. It would at leas help answer the "are we meant to eat meat" question. If anyone knows of any research on the topic I would love to read it.
i think its been proven already we are meant to be omnivores; so yes we are supposed to, its been linked to doubling the size of the brain when Neanderthals learned to cook meat is what ive heard
To my knowledge, early species of human adding high protein is how our brains evolved so rapidly. It's spoken about on Expedition Unknown - a two part episode about human evolution. I can't remember the episode names, unfortunately.
The B12 thing is so true, but only because animals get B12 via grass and such. the b12 we get in animal food, is basically absorbed B12 from their plant based diets. Unfortunately, due to intensive farming becoming the norm, most livestock are fed B12 supplements as they no longer graze on food that contains B12 naturally. Therefore when we eat animal products with B12, its actually a supplement anyway which is why I'm ok with eating supplements or enhanced foods :)
Vitamin B12 from plants is available from a variety of sources, including nutritional yeast, fortified foods, cereals, mushrooms, and some algae. These sources of vitamin B12 are an excellent way for vegans to include the nutrient in their diets. In addition, real ale has plenty of B vitamins including B12. Since becoming vegan 8 years ago, have never needed any type of vitamin and mineral supplements to remain healthy.
Is it possible that a generalized vegan diet could be inefficient?, not all the territory on earth is appropriate to grow vegetables, and humans don't actually consume the entire vegetable production, there are a lot of waste, also meat is relatively easy to produce and energetically very dense, would a vegan diet be a viable option for everyone?..
If you can’t grow plants you can’t raise animals. What will they eat? And meat is not easy to produce. It takes tons of energy, water and resources and produces tons of CO2 and methane. Way more than growing vegetables.
The hardest part of being a vegan is to get up at 5 in the morning and milk the almonds.
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@@johnrice1943 I'm glad you got the joke..the previous guy didn't.
@@pkmuhammedhisan how can you assume he is a previous guy. He could be a guy girl or any other combination of it. Should just use the word 'previous person'
@@vidyutdevam9204 lol 😂 sorry..my mistake
You know you can milk trans cows right They feel like vegetables so vegans can eat them.
I think a lot of western vegans could benefit from trying foods from tropical and sub-tropical countries. I had a white vegan roommate who consistently ate mock-meat (not because he loved it's taste or anything) along with a plethora of supplements. I used to feel bad and often shared my south Asian food which he really loved. I never even realised that i actually have a lot of vegan meals throughout the week (i eat chicken and fish, rarely red meat), so I was glad to share a variety of vegetables like okra, different varieties of lentils and various flavour profiles in general. Now that i am back in my country, i notice myself unconsciously eating a huge variety of fruits and vegetables. Vegans in the West should really go to Asian and African stores to diversify their nutrition intake more. There's no reason that vegan food has to mimic textures or tastes of meat.
I don't live a vegan lifestyle, and in my current life situation that is unviable due to external factors, but I want to try those Asian vegetable meals. I always heard that Asian countries do a better job at making vegan foods in comparison to the frankly uneventful vegan foods we have here in the west.
Yeah Americans have a tiny palate.
My first 10 years as a vegan was in Tokyo, so things were easy and healthier compared to my last 13 in New Zealand.
But fortunately, over the last 10 years everyone here has found out that because of intensive animal farming, our rivers lakes and water supplies are very polluted. International food options are limited here but I can get tempeh and tofu now. Natto is my favorite food but hard to find.
@@Im-BAD-at-satire I think this is because a lot of Asian and African cuisine is just...vegan by nature and tradition. There was no conscious attempt to vegan-ise many dishes because they simply have been like that. Even when I make any non-vegetarian dish, I have to incorporate a lot of veggies because the dish would be very plain otherwise. I really recommend trying to make some of the vegetable meals yourself with whatever ingredients you can muster.
@@Masala_Pizzaa I’m a vegan myself and I don’t think vegans have to mimick textures of meat but I think they do it for sake of veganism like even i laugh when somebody says a mushroom can taste meaty when no it doesn’t 😂 the mushrooms taste good but no where taste near like animal foods , like where where I’m from there is no vegan restaurant but vegan friendly restaurants cus like you said a lot of Asian foods are accidentally vegan by nature of their culture same with Indian restaurants to
In connection with calcium absorption, you did not mention vitamin D, which is important in this process. This may explain why Nordic countries may suffer from osteoporosis due to lack of sun in winter (and this is a minor problem in West Africa, so maybe that's one reason they have healthy bones.) The health of bones should not be reduced to calcium. Other vitamins, minerals, physical activity also come into play
that's why there's added vitamin C in milk in finland at least
@@77moonwalker77 do you mean vitamin D. Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) would curdle milk.
@@77moonwalker77 It's interesting, was it the government or was it the dairies that introduced it? (assuming you meant vitamin D) How much is in per ml? Arla launched it once in Denmark, but it's not popular. However, the Danish Veterinary and Food Administration recommends everyone to take vitamin D during the winter season
Oooh touché
Vitamin D from the sun and Mushrooms produce Vitamin D too.
I was vegetarian for 6 years, and now have been vegan for the last 6. I eat a balanced diet with of greens, fruits, nuts/legumes, nori (iodine/B12) and beans/tofu/shakes/nooch (protein/Vitamin D/Vitamin B12). Like anyone, I occasionally eat some junk food like sweets as a treat. When I first changed my lifestyle, I did research to confirm I was getting the right nutrients and focused on whole, unprocessed foods. 12 years later, I will never go back to consuming animal products, because I know I'm helping the animals, humans, the world and my body.
The vegan diet is NOT better for the planet and the environment. Monocropping kills millions of animals every year including birds and insects.
Climate change is a hoax, propagated by the same people who want to depopulate the world, you know, those pesky little New World order people?
Eat meat and encourage regenerative farming.
We are not apes. We do not have the capability of turning plants into short chain fatty acids like apes. Your analogy is off the charts idiotic!
There’s nothing balanced at all about your diet…unless you’re walking on all fours.
@@InfinitEternaLovEmmanuel what do you think they're missing
@@Brandon-os3qrThey’re missing a Philly cheesesteak
Your body don’t absorb vitamin from plants like you think. Also plants 🌱 contain toxins, fiber from plants feed bad bacteria in your gut. Eating healthy fats and meats is the best. You should go educate yourself and stop listening to stupid people on UA-cam
I think it's also important to note that b12 comes from bacteria that gets eaten by animals (we used to get it from "less sterile" vegetables). And now most all livestock are giving b12 supplements so the meat has it.
EDIT: I miss worded non vegan b12 deficiency, the point I was trying to make is that they aren't as deficient because their meat is getting supplemented anyway. So unless you're completely avoiding factory farming ...
Lol healthy cattle don't need to be given B12 to contain it. There is abundant naturally forming B12 in the meat and especially the organs of animals. Lots of people around the world without industrial farming are NOT B12 deficient. It is mostly a vegan/vegetarian problem by far - which is strictly a phenomenon of abundance. You will eat a human carcass if you were starving.
@@TheRyad Up to 90% of worldwide B12 production goes to animals to supplement their bodies, as the overwhelmingly vast majority of them come from factory farming. Even these who don't are still often supplemented as it makes the production easier for the farmers - same goes for antibiotics, where over 2/3 of world's supply goes to animals, which leads to the major threat of antibiotic-resistant bacterias. TLDR: B12 is not a mostly vegan problem, but rather an animal farming one.
@@fiwo735 Fact is, wherever vitamin B12 comes from, vegetables haven't any, so if you follow a strict vegan diet you'll end up with a deficiency. Unless you take artificial supplements or artificially fortified food.
It appears that a diet which by itself conducts to a vitamin deficiency is not natural for the human body.
@@fiwo735 B12 deficiency is by far, per capita, a vegan one. Stop supporting factory farm meat. Stop buying junk food. Ofc you'll be vitamin/mineral-deficient if you eat trash. Buy healthy meat. Support your local butcher and farmer.
@@emaarredondo-librarian the point is that your beef is artifically supplemented with B12. Skip a step and take an algae-based B12 supplement yourself 🤷
Studies show that people that go on ANY “diet” see great results at least in the initial months/years. Mostly because when you start paying attention to your eating habits you automatically shed some of the bad effects of it. Obviously at some point the effects start to wear off and you see more of the long term effects
switching from one extreme diet to another, is just swapping one set of chronic problems for another set.
The negative chronic effects of veganism, don't show up until at least a year !
@@avibhagan for sure. Thats why some people don’t even blame it on veganism because they’ll say they’ve been on it for a long time
@@jjose100ify , It's the same with a carnivore diet. The colon cancer won't show up until after about 10 years.
But, of course you can eat some citrus and watercress and lettuce every once in a while. You can season your meat with turmeric and ginger and garlic. And you can mitigate against the chronic health issues.
A balanced diet is best.
@@avibhagan agreed. Our bodies are very receptive to whole foods and a well balanced diet.
@@avibhagan there is nothing extreme about not eating dead bodies, stop being so creepy
Unhealthy vegan here 🚶 lmao just finished a bag of chips
Gotta love this carbs, 😂.
Bro pls eat more beans for me papi 🥺
Tofu is delicious, chips are divine.
It be like that😂😭🔥. I’ll finish eating something or be in the middle of it and outta no where I’m like what’s actually in this. Then I find some nasty ingredients 😅and be like wow now I can’t eat these😂.
@@RoyalT-Ishim luckily for me, I live in Israel, so they don't stuff meat and butter into everything, and if they are present, it's always printed on the package.
Calling our canines large is funny
lmao ikr like look at a mandrill
there are herbivores with canines that have a relative size many times that of ours. our puny canines would probably have a hard time getting through a squirrel, much less anything bigger.
“Lions eat meat” go vegan
Embarassing tbh 😬
Not only is funny, it is also obviously inaccurate
B12 deficiency can be SO MUCH WORSE than just hallucinations, the lack of b12 can affect your nervous system and long time deficiency can produce a whole lot of worst symptoms like memory loss, speech difficulty and there are even people who have ended up in wheelchairs due to b12 deficiencies
My grandmother couldn't stand because of hers, and that was even with injections for it. :(
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B-12 comes from bacteria though
@@TheoRae8289 was she vegan?
@Mauro Draco nope. She was also suffering a weird sodium deficiency that turned out to be related to lung cancer of all things (allegedly that came from her lungs not healing properly after pneumonia we didn't know she'd had)
Just a small note: gorillas and other primates who have large musculature and eat mostly vegetarian diets also have significantly lower levels of myostatin, the protein that tells muscles to stop growing. Great content! Thank you!
Edit: I love the comments that have added on here! I've learned a ton! Thank you all for the contributions!
Plus they eat bugs. And other primates.
Not to mention that gorilla grow so big largely due to their own gut bacteria creating protein while we don't
@@i-ate-bread I did not know that! Amazing!
this comparison really irked me. thanks for your comment
or in other words: we arent gorillas! who would have thought?!
Dont know if drinking milk reduces bone strength but lack of exposure to sunlight or low vitamin d will sure reduce the bone strength.
Try seasame seed
Milk and dairy too
Yeah it's weird to compare two groups from very different environments just to say the results around calcium needs are complicated...
Also I'm disappointed this video never discussed how someone might go about eating the bear mininum animal products. Some people might not want to have to take supplements just to not eat animal products but might want to cut back to the minimal amount.
It’s literally the opposite milk improves bone strength, milk is also enriched with vitamin D too.
@@Josecannoli1209 😅😂😂😖🤦♂️
Went vegan in 2014 after experiencing the cruelty of animal agriculture. As a happy side effect, I no longer need a prescription cortisone steroid cream for my horrible case of dermatitis and I no longer struggle with anemia. A few people in my family removed dairy from their diets and have started to see similar results for their various conditions. It's clear that we (my family) just shouldn't drink cow's milk.
Anaemia? That's interesting
That is actually the case for many people, they just don't realize it with Dary!
Just the case when u don't realise how many lives growing vegan diet takes.
It's actually more destructive than any grass fed meat, as far as I have checked
I suffer from atopic dermatitis and im vegetarian, which means i drink milk and eat cheese etc. Do you think cutting dairy prodcuts entirely will help with the itching?
@@Jojiku9 Maybe consider seeing a dietician? I know a bunch of people who've had some success working with them. Regular GPs just don't have enough knowledge on nutrition.
"Veggies like beetroot" *proceeds to draw a purple carrot*
Like other people said here, some of our cousins do eat meat. Bonobos and chimps, the closest to us, regularly hunt small animals, including small monkeys. Also, one very important thing that makes bones stronger and prevents oesteporosis is... physical activity! Like the muscles, they adapt to what you ask of them. Great video as always, thank you!
I believe that applies to chimps only, not bonobos. Besides those hunts aren't necessarily a regular thing among chimps
@@gao1812 Look for sources. All sources I found describe them as omnivores, eating small animals, though sources don't seem to agree about them hunting other mammals or not.
@@gao1812 It is. It's just that not all hunts end up successful.
Specifically weight bearing exercises. I often walk and climb stairs with a heavy backpack.
"During weight-bearing activity, the muscles and tendons apply tension to the bones, which stimulates the bones to produce more bone tissue. As a result, bones become stronger and more dense and the risk of osteopenia, osteoporosis, and fractures decreases."-Orthopedic and Sports Medicine Institute
Like our fellow primates, we are omnivores, but that doesn't mean we have to eat meat.
Biologists classify humans as omnivores based on observed behavior in the majority, and the fact that we can digest both plants and animals. Our ancestors had to eat whatever they could get a hold of to survive long enough to reproduce. That included bugs, the equivalent of road kill, and sometimes other humans. Just because we can digest something, doesn't mean we should. Fortunately, most of us today can be more selective. We can eat a diet which is better for our health, longevity, our environment, and our fellow Earthlings- a fully plant based diet centered around whole foods.
Animals in the wild have to eat each other. We do not.
About B12: I've read that industrial livestock gets B12 supplements as well. Because of their kind of "junk food" diet, they don't ingest the bacteria from the ground, that produce B12. So if you eat this kind of meat, effectively you're on B12 supplements as well.
90% of B12 supplements go to livestock :)
yep, animals don't produce b12 themselves. b12 is produced by bacteria but modern humans wash almost all plant produce and santise drinking water so we don't get much from these sources anymore (a net positive for disease control, but not ideal for b12 intake, thankfully we have learned to extract it synthetically). very suprised the video didn't mention this.
Right i kinda think the video isnt that well researched and there are a lot of arguements that are easilyyy debunkable i kinda just kinda think this is fear mongering
This isn't entirely correct. Devil is in the details, which is that B12 is synthesized in animal tissue via getting a certain kind of bacteria in.
I've heard many wild ideas about how we depleted B12 and it naturally came from the soil and that it's a big meat industry lie that we need meat to get it.
But this one is untrue. We can make synthesized lab versions of B12, which most vegans aware of this issue tend to opt for.
I very much dislike that vegan and vegetarian have lots of decent reasons to be healthy viable options, provided research is done into how to do it right, yet there is so much defaulting to misinformation and grasping and straws in order to encourage more of it. It's not cool.
Not that you're doing that specifically, but that information isn't correct.
Animals do get supplements if their diet isn't what they evolved to cope with. So animals that eat over sterilized food aren't getting the bacteria in to have their body synthesize the vitamin. I can gather that they're given a supplement to combat that, but it would be the bacteria needed for it. The consumption of an animal product, insect, milk, meat etc, is how to get B12 in unless it's synthesized in a lab. Eating wild, farm raised and not industry sterilized would mean the B12 is "naturally" acquired. Not that it should matter. Appeal to nature is a massive fallacy people need to stop falling into.
@@aininja8169 "the video isnt that well researched"
That's true for all the anti-vegan videos. Real research would create an inner ethical conundrum.
One thing I heard about the fractures study is that the vegan group had lower BMI.
With less fat padding, it would make sense the rate of fractures would be greater especially in older vegans.
BMIs are not a good health indicator though it’s mainly for the general population because you can have a high BMI due to muscle mass gain but your BMI could be saying you are “overweight” eventhough you don’t look or feel “overweight” and that’s because the BMI doesn’t take muscle to fat ratio accurately it mainly takes in your total weight
@@jeovanniperez3949 That's true in some cases. Generally, people with higher BMI have more fat.
@@ColburnClark yeah I think that’s why some vegans are scared to gain weight or sees gain weight as a unhealthy thing cus of the BMI when technically it is true but we can still gain weight and be healthy so as long it’s mainly muscle gain over fat gain like I wouldn’t recommend no more than 10-20 pounds of weight gain if a vegan is considering a bulk cycle , that’s how I approach it as a vegan
My guy, have you ever tried getting over 2-3 thousand calories purely by eating salad? Of course they have a lower BMI, assuming they don't throw junkfood in their face, because they eat a low-calorie diet. That's kinda just part of being vegan, it is _undeniable_ how much caloric value all sorts of animal products have
@@jeovanniperez3949yeah but frankly, for most people the BMI is definitely accurate enough to be used as a guidance point for things like their diet. At least nowadays, the majority of people concerned with the BMI are definitely not gym-going muscle masses, but more likely Your neighbor Bill that had one or two burgers too many, every Sunday. It always matters what kind of person you speak of, BMI takes your overall weight into account but it also pretty much considers average activity with average diet, so if you're too high you either don't move enough, eat too much (and the wrong things) or both. Vice versa.
Going vegan has reduced my crohns so much I don't need medication. That's more than enough for me. Still gotta avoid sugar and processed foods though, so whole plant based is the way to go! Thank you for this video!
I don't know if i would agree there's proof being vegan reduced Crohn's, but glad you're off medication. It's absolutely depressing that anybody under age 65 would need to take a pill.
dark greens exasperated my stomach issues
@@chazlon5061 People over 65 shouldn't really need to either if they take care of themselves.
@@billweir1745 not always true.
@@chazlon5061 Or u can simply just do a poop transplant that works 90% of the time for CD
A less nastier way is to eat lots of fibers to build the same diversity of microbes from donor's poop. In this way, it's the "whole plants" that helps. Not the "vegan" part. U can still eat junkies and call yourself a vegan
In India a lot of people are vegetarian because of our culture. I was vegetarian since childhood, and when I turned vegan last year, I very clearly saw a positive change in my physical as well as mental health. This is my anecdotal experience. The mental health improvement has been a big impact on my overall well being.
@@infobot7213 That just isn't true at all.
Everyone eats and/or uses animal products.
The definition clearly states (a person who does not eat or use animal products).
I want to start being vegan but pricewise is it really more affordable? I feel bc of the "specialty " products, it's more pricey
@@lotusgrl444 I assume its expensive to be vegan in wester countries. In India, things are very inexpensive because a lot of our market is already targetted to vegetarians. You can try doing some DIY things as a hobby if the ready made products are expensive. Actually vegan products are supposed to be cheaper, because they're actually quite easy and cheaper to make, their prices are often inflated because of economic reasons.
@@nikhilmish001 Just vegetarian. They all still use animal products.
@@SteversChed yeah that's right. I only turned vegan last year.
I appreciate the fact that you were up front and honest about the pros and cons of the various studies. You present your case well, without resorting to sensationalism or tricky word play
Same! People need to make their choices based on data and personal wellness. I am not vegan but I always appreciate hearing all sides of the story without prejudice. What a great video!
Unfortunately the narrator states at 2:20 that “modern primates, the ones we are closest related to, most of them have totally plant-based diets.” There are great things in this video and in veganism. But the statement about our other primate relatives is sensationally over-exaggerated and demonstrably false:
“Which primates, exactly, enjoy dining on flesh? Most of them, according to David Watts, an anthropologist at Yale University who analyzed over 400 studies of meat-eating among primates in a 2020 review paper. Watts noted that 12 of the current 16 families of primates featured meat-eaters, a total of 89 species. Rather than the exception, it’s the majority - even when meat comes with a potentially violent price … theories (about the content of vitamins and proteins and calories from meat) can easily apply to chimpanzees and their favorite hunting game, red colobus monkeys.”
Yes, chimpanzees are close cousins of humans and they go on hunting expeditions to eat red colobus monkeys. There are many videos of these chimpanzees regularly eating meat that they hunt.
Source: Dr. David Watts of Yale Anthropology 2020 and Discovery Magazine
www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-grisly-diverse-world-of-meat-eating-primates
@@michaelpettineo1328 I was wondering about that too, at the very least we know that many primates often eat insects as well.
“Without resorting to sensationalism or tricky word play” Except for the title “The Biggest Lie about Veganism” and the thumbnail “It’s all lies.” 😂😂😂
@@michaelpettineo1328 Look. It doesn’t really matter what other primates eat; it doesn’t really matter what our ancestors ate. We have the data. We know that, with all other variables controlled, eating a plant-exclusive diet leads to lower rates of obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, and even some cancers. There is no reason to hypothesize about the answer, when we actually *have* the answer.
Given that one can not only survive, but thrive on a plant-exclusive diet, other sentient being for food becomes an act of gratuitous violence. It is unnecessary for anyone who is reading these words on a computer screen.
“But I like meat and I don’t want to stop eating meat” isn’t a satisfactory or mature argument in a serious discussion. Neither is “but chimps eat meat, so it’s ok for me to eat meat too.” I am not directing this at anyone personally, but I must repeat - we *have* the answer to the question of whether or not humans can thrive on a vegan diet. Yes, we can. Easily. Enslaving, torturing, and slaughtering animals for food is merely gratuitous.
Vitamin D, e.g. from sunlight exposure is important for calcium absorption to prevent osteoporosis. Calcium + Vitamin D needs to be implemented daily for healthy bone structure :)
I was a hindu religious vegetarian , but lately having lactose intolerant so I'm vegan now
Consuming dairy is equivalent to eating veal because it's just as cruel because the baby is taken away to be killed for veal evrytime the mother cows are artificial inseminated
You're not a baby, so you don't need milk.
@@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_GamerSo then why do vegans think they need vegan milk? 🤨
@@lucax2300 vegan milk substitutes are used in many baking and cooking recipes and many vegans drink nut milk as a substitute for the average dairy milk, as most nut milks contain calcium which promotes bone strength (much like cow milk) and are much easier to process for most people with the prominence of lactose intolerance today. Most vegan milk substitutes contain calcium and many other nutritional aspects of cow milk and can be a total replacement to them with little to no nutritional backlash, not saying that milk is even necessary to be healthy, which it isn’t, but vegans drink and use milk substitutes for the same reasons that you would use dairy milk.
@@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer you don’t control what I eat
You forgot to say the bit where animals are given B12 supplements. Some do get it naturally from grazing but they are more commonly given supplements instead. Earthling Ed has a great video on this.
Take any pork, cattle of sheep, give it a normal extensive diet without any supplements.
Kill it and look at the liver, surprise, the fantastic b12 will be there like magic.
Stop spreading fakes news.
I was so scared to watch this as a 7 year vegan, but I was impressed! Thanks for spreading the science!!!
Me too! But, truth shall prevail 🌟✊🏻🌱✌🏻
There's nothing to be afraid of when we all know we're following a good constructive path for oneself and others both 🙃😊
I HECKIN LOVE SCIENCE
Same! This channel does good work so I watched intently as an 11 year vegan and yay! (Congrats on 7 years! That’s huge! 🌱)
He left facts out of it... For example 84% of people who try a vegan or vegetarian diet go back to eating meat. It's not sustainable for most people.
@@colto2312 Yeah we knew all the science decades ago...it was only when the meat and dairy industries saw the threat that they started putting out their own studies to confuse people and amped up their marketing
Well that was a clickbait title if I ever seen one.
😂
I noticed he’s not the only vegan doing that. There was another one I clicked that said “everything wrong with vegan food”. Answer was more vegan food fcs.
Your biases caused you to click and now your are upset.
@@mrsciencedaemon no the title says the biggest lie, the thumbnail says it's all lies.
How was that right?
@@mrsciencedaemonBias doesn’t change the fact that it’s a clickbait title.
I was worried about B12, but my almond milk has it, my nutritional yeast, cereals I eat. I was thinking about getting supplements, but apparently I get plenty of foods that are fortified with it.
They feed b-12 to animals which is why it’s in meat.
You should still supplement. And get bloodwork done from time to time to see your levels
Yeah, you have to have quite a lot of the fortified foods in order to get its full, daily nutritional value. Even as an avid plant-based milk drinker, I would advise you supplement a lot.
Yes I’m vegan and trainer as well you should still supplement a b-12 and you don’t have to worry about vitamin-D depending where your from because you also get vitamin-D so it’s not an essential nutrient it’s a conditional essential cus we also get it from the sun
@@jeovanniperez3949 Experts recommend supplementing for vitamin D needs, particularly in colder countries, because vitamin D from the sun varies so much depending on season and daily weather. However, a note for anyone who does like to get some sunlight in - sunscreen has not been shown to hinder vitamin D production, so don't use this as an excuse to skip sun protection!
as a vegetarian, who wants to turn into a vegan, this video was very informative, thanks :)
good luck 🤞💪
What's the difference between veganism and vegetarianism?
@@antonioc.5778 Vegans do not consume any animal derived products, while vegetarians do not eat just meat.
@@antonioc.5778 Vegans don’t eat any animal products and vegetarians don’t eat meat
@@antonioc.5778 Vegetarians consume animal products (honey, milk, eggs, woolen clothing) but don't eat meat. Vegans do not eat meat or use any animal products.
Normally when people talk veganism they get lots of things wrong because they have to fight their own biases at the same time but this video was basically solid.
Right? Pretty good :) (can't even tell their bias)
Hardley, he completely ignores the MOUNTAIN of research that proves just about everything he said was in many cases not only wrong but completely wrong.
@@mikesmicroshop4385 you need to know witch “mountain of evidence” is actually factually correct for example meta-analysis studies and peered reviewed studies are high end in the hierarchy of scientific evidence which plant based diets and vegetarian diets have support of major health organizations , there is no meta-analysis studies or peered reviewed studies of any kind that support the carnivore diet because the carnivore diet is nothing but pseudoscience and everyone of those carnivore UA-camrs you see on UA-cam either take or sell pharmaceutical supplements which in return helping “big pharma” funded research that you complain about because pharmaceutical supplements are a part of pharmaceutical industry
@@mikesmicroshop4385 would you like to cite some sources for this mountain of evidence?
@@mikesmicroshop4385 Like what? I agree that there are some inaccuracies but what did you thing was completely wrong?
The thing is, going vegan (or plant-based if you are going with just the diet approach) is a conscious decision. Not only conscious about the planet, the animals, or whatever your motivation is, but with yourself. Like any other diet it has trade-offs. Be responsible and talk with a nutritionist and go for regular blood checks.
Also, as a home cook, I find a vegan diet to be a lot more fun. You get to try a lot of new things and combinations.
Lol your argument is void. there are at least a dozen species of plants that eat animals and insects. look up the fly trap plant and the plant that traps mouse. avoiding meat is stupid considering even plants eat meat
Okay but meat tastes good
@@OstrichAnkles You do you, I guess.
@@MagP.i.e It can be much more expensive if say you're replacing ground beef with Impossible burger. But whole food plant-based staples like rice, beans and potatoes are some of the cheapest foods there are.
@@MagP.i.e Not really. Of course if you buy lots of processed stuff, it is. They aren't cheap.
But to cut animal products altogether has been extremely good for saving money too, at least in my personal experience.
1:41 I was about to comment "source?" but then I saw you linked a lot of sources under the video, yey! \o/ So, I dived into it, and... no source for that claim. So, I looked it up myself, I found that early athletes have been described (by at least one ancient author) to have a vegetarian diet *with cheese,* then the diet changed to incorporate more meat. Maybe there's something more complex into that?
2:00 Sadly, there's nothing in your sources about this either, even if this time I agree that, as far as I know, the consensus in human paleontology is that we came first from specie that had _mostly_ a plant/fruit diet, and later started to integrate more meat. In a very more recent age, in fact when we started agriculture, we lowered the quantity of meat in our diet (resulting in a lower intake of vitamin D, which is probably what started more "nordic" humans to have a skin depimgentation in order to compensate this loss - vitamin D is synthised by our metabolism from some lipids, like cholesterol, but we need sunlight for this).
2:36 We don't have the same metabolism... this comparison makes no sense. Oh, and your vegan chimps (like many other apes) do eat meat from time to time, even if it's totally irrelevent to the diet of our own specie.
5:59 Not the same environnement. More sun, therefore probably a better production of vitamin D, which is essential for the solidity of our bones. Don't you think?
6:45 No kidding?!
Understand me: I greatly lowered my meat and dairy products consumption, and I applause those who went totally vegan. But you can't come with a video titled "The Biggest Lie About Veganism" and do that many shortcuts, wild assumptions and approximations. Popularization does not mean cuting the parts of the subject we don't like.
They really did a half-assed job with this. Very disappointing.
Everyone saying they did a great job with this vid but to me it was craaaazy biased
This video was way worse than I thought it was gonna be when I clicked on it.
Some interesting things (to me): B12 is only made by bacteria and Alge. When ruminant animals eat and ferment their food with bacteria, they get B12. Also sea animals (e.g. krill) eat Alge, so they all get B12. Some sea peoples eat Nori (seaweed) - a few forms of B12. Most mammal species make their own Vitamin C, only humans and artic elk need Vit C in diet, nop, elk do not eat lemons they eat lichen, fungus-Alge coop, makes Vit C, therefore elk dig thru snow to eat Lichens not vegetation.
6:46 Yes, I also made a comment
The calcium issue might be the bioavailability of the calcium intake. Western vegans might not be eating calcium sources that absorb as well as those people living in Africa (referencing the example in the video). There could also be regional trait differences that allow for better absorption. I am thinking of something analogous to the Northern European tolerance for lactose.
not really, but bingo for the regional trait its not lactose but Vitamin D
source : Vitamin D May Explain Higher Bone Fracture Risk in Vegans
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Calcium from plant foods is actually 50% more bioavailable than calcium from dairy, the issue is that plant have a smaller quantities of it. One can still consume optimal amounts of calcium on a vegan diet without resorting to supplements, but it requires more conscious effort
Correct, but I wasn’t comparing dairy to plant calcium. I was comparing western vegans to the vegans mentioned in Africa and why there are differences. It could be what plants they are eating or the fact that they have been getting their calcium from that source for longer. I hope that makes sense .
@@ozzwich both omnivore and vegan are low in calcium cause both don't eat their Greens
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The Harvard U Website has a good article on this topic and I think outlines one potential issue: "A downside to some plant foods is that they contain naturally occurring plant substances, sometimes referred to as “anti-nutrients.” Examples of anti-nutrients are oxalates and phytates that bind to calcium and decrease its bioavailability. Spinach contains the most calcium of all the leafy greens at 260 mg of calcium per 1 cup cooked, but it is also high in oxalates, lowering the bioavailability so that only 5% or about 13 mg of calcium can be used by the body. The takeaway message is not to avoid spinach, which contains other valuable nutrients, but not to rely on spinach as a significant source of calcium since most of it will not be absorbed by the body. You can also schedule your meals so that you do not eat “calcium-binding” foods like spinach at the same meal as calcium-rich foods or with calcium supplements."
Great video! And-aging biologist here-there are a couple of other theories as to why people on vegetarian or fully vegan diets might live longer. Firstly, plants make tiny quantities of defensive chemicals which are basically poisons to humans-but in such tiny quantities that our bodies may ‘overreact’ and go on a repair spree as a result of consuming them. This is called ‘hormesis’, and it’s the same idea as to why exercise is good for our health even though, in the moment, it damages our muscles.
Secondly, we’ve known for a long time that eating less makes animals live longer (this is the rationale behind fasting being so trendy these days)…but what we don’t know is exactly what aspect of ‘eating less’ is having the effect. There’s one theory that it’s eating less of specific constituents of proteins that plants naturally have less of than meat, which could mean that a vegetable-rich diet with protein from nuts and beans is life-extending dietary restriction by the back door.
Of course all this is very hard to prove because vegans do tend to be healthier in other ways, as you pointed out-but it does make things a bit more convincing that there are some theoretical reasons why it might extend lifespan as well as just the observational data!
In Samuel Thayer's book on foraging, he talks about how toxicity is all about dosage and usage specifics. A toxin is medicine when used appropriately at the right dose. A food becomes toxic when overconsumed. You can die from drinking too much water. Not from toxicity of course, flushes out your salts, but still dead.
So what you're saying makes sense to me. Exercise causes microtears in the muscles but the end result is a stronger muscle. I think carnis throwing around all this plant toxin talk are confirming biases by oversimplifying the body, which is not simple in the slightest. I read that sulphorfane acts in this way of being slightly toxic but creating a strengthening response because of it. All in the dosage and timing and other specifics of the person as an individual.
Sorry, forgot you brought up the muscles thing already. Real!y a great comment, thanks for sharing strong ideas about complexity in this society of inflammatory stupidity
B12 deficiency is a problem for all diets, not just for vegans. And yes there is B12 in other things then just meat.
True. Meat absorbs B12 from bacteria living in the ground that get eaten by herbivores.
We also produce a little in our gut iirc, but it's hard to absorb since it's further down our intestine, and we absorb it in the earlier part.
Some dried mushrooms ( shiitake I know) contain it and some algae too.
Yeah 40% of people don't get enough b12
Fortunately, in the UK, we have Marmite, which is high in B12.
Especially for those who regularly drink alcohol.
B12 anemia is fairly rare with non-vegans.
Great video as usual guys. I have been vegan for over 10 years and take my B12 daily, I adore cycling and boxing and felt a significant improvement when I started, but is not my focus, It is the environment.
Me too
I felt more energetic when I started eating a plant-based diet
I went WFPB for several years and I didn’t thrive. I’m still mostly plant based, but I get a little extra protein from eggs and dairy and I eat fish a few times a week. Basically a plant-heavy Mediterranean diet I guess. Anyway I feel much better now and I’m taking absolutely zero supplements (nutritional supplements that is if you know what I mean 😜💨 )
Wanna spar?
The main reason for veganism is animal rights, environment and health are just benefits
@@Ronaldiddy12 Exactly. Started for the animal harm-reduction ethics. Stayed for the world harm-reduction ones.
I've been vegetarian for nearly 10 years now and I tried veganism for nearly 2 years. I gotta say when I was vegan I lost over 60 lbs. and I felt very healthy (I've had weight problems since elementary school). Then the pandemic hit, I was working in retail full-time, stress starting building back up so I switched back to a vegetarian diet and comfort foods and gained back all of the weight I lost. Thankfully I'm back to a weight loss routine and I'm starting to feel healthier again with less stress.
@@evanpeterjones Thank you for the kind words. Good luck to you too.
The biggest amount of benefit of Vegan is from removing all of the massively unhealthy processed foods and sugar.
Veganism can help with weight not because it's healthier (it isn't inherently healthier than vegetarianism, vegetanarianism just allows certain things like lard or cheese which are easier to gain weight or cholesterol deposit with), but because you have access to less food (particularly pre-made food) that you _really_ like a lot, and food that you do like that can be vegan-compatible (like cake, icecream, doughnuts) will be more expensive. And other food might just not taste as good, such as pizza but possibly be more expensive as well.
It's restricting what you can eat which results in a caloric restriction (by far the best way to lose weight, essentially the only way). You can get the same effect by eating a limited range of most food. Like eating only steak (and supplements) will also cause people to lose weight, because they won't have the time to make steak every time they want a snack, will generally have cost limitations in buying steak all the time, and will desire more variety than just steak every day.
During the pandemic, I went from a healthy whole food vegan diet to a junk food vegan diet. I was doing it for ethical reasons, not health reasons, but I wish I could get myself back to the Whole Foods that made me feel better.
To lose weight it's more about eating whole unprocessed foods, and a high vegetable diet
Thanks for making this video! I think it's important to note that omnivores also consume B12 supplements, albeit unwittingly. The supplements are just administered to the animals they eat, so widespread veganism would help reduce the overall requirement for supplement production by way of cutting out the "middle-man". I am a land-use engineer and i am so happy i made the decision to go vegan 5 years ago for the planet 🌎
Nutritional yeast contains B12 and having a small amount of it can improve your mood and sleep if you need it, great way to add in any nutrients your body might need :)
@@forrest_ation great tip! I love nutritional yeast for my B12 needs! So tasty too :)
This is not true. Maybe the case in the US but lots of African countries don't administer antibiotics to cattle not to talk of B12 and B12 deficiency is not running wild.
@@deeplyvibrantthat is a good point that supplementation is not happening everywhere, but my statement is still very much true as widespread B12 supplementation is most definitely happening on a very large scale in many countries. An example of one exception does not negate the validity of the widespread use of B12 in animal husbandry.
@@engine_erin claiming that it is widespread is quite the stretch. Does this apply to developing countries?
Big issue I have is protein to carbohydrate ratios between meats and plants. Plants with low carbs incredibly rarely have decent amounts of protein. Type 1 Diabetic here. And having had issues with the lack of regulation with supplements (ends up some Omega3 pills from a healthfood store had a sugar syrup in them for some reason??), I'm untrustworthy of everything.
Hello! I am also a T1D☺️ I eat primarily plant-based with some occasional fish. I find tofu is a great non-meat protein that is low carb and once you learn all the great ways to cook it, your options can be endless! Although it may take some getting used to. Beans and legumes are great as well bc of their high fiber that helps lower the carbs. I try to stay away from the “fake meat” products since they do tend to have carbs bc they are usually gluten proteins😩
As far a supplements, it really is a crap-shoot that kind of is up to trial and error, checking glucose before and after taking one to see if your sugar spikes and adjusting accordingly. The struggles of being t1D🙃 I had a pre-workout drink mix that would spike my sugars even though it claimed to have no sugar🙄 maybe someday we’ll get some better regulation….
Certain diets aren't for everyone. Considering your health, veganism probably isn't for you. In vegetarian diets, you can at least eat egg which is very filling and nutritious. And use supplements that are from reputable brands with ingredient lists that you have screened yourself (for example, added sugars). Personally, I think those with diabetes should eat healthy whole foods in a balanced diet with vegetables and meat (including fish), with minimal to moderate starchy foods (potatoes, rice, bread, etc). I'd suggest avoiding highly processed foods and sugars if possible. Nuts, egg, and certain fruits make great snacks.
@@stacey_spooks did you check the carbs in the nutrition label? Foods that have no added sugar can still have carbs.
@@raincandy3 wow, no idea where protein is besides animals?
I only went vegetarian about 6 months ago and it did wonders for my endometriosis. 90% of my usual menstrual pain has gone. I would consider going vegan in the future, or at least eat maybe 80% plant based.
Healthier cycles are an awesome benefit to veganism (dairy is a big cause of pain for many)
Soon member of r/exvegan
@@johnsoliz153Cringe redditor.
Yeahh it was opposite for me , i was vegan and got alot of problems, went to eating meat and alot of the problems went away
Being vegan is one of the healthiest ways of living.
I've been a fan of ASAPScience for a long time, but lately, I've felt that some of the information presented leans more towards cultural trends than solid science. For instance, the video on B12 supplements made me question the definition of a healthy diet. Isn't a truly balanced diet one where we get all our essential nutrients from food sources rather than relying on supplements? If we need to supplement something that's missing from our diet, could that indicate our diet isn't as balanced as it should be? I'd love to hear more thoughts on this
That's a really good question!
But here, he is talking about all the aspects combined i feel.. while every diet has their own pros and cons, the animal based diets used to be healthy and balanced before the modernization and industrialisation times..
The point is, we can get a balanced diet and live really well on any diet whether traditional diets or on some more restrictive diets also!
The fact is, it is not just for vegans that the b12 deficiency is alarming or concerning, today's time all diet is set to have the b12 deficiency since the animals in factories are also fed with supplements since their diet also missing the b13 intake while they are fed on cemented floors.
The b12 is not found in animals but in natural soil and water as it is a form of bacteria 🦠 found in nature. As more and more synthetic and inorganic products are being produced which are lacking the b12, they're either fortified with additional micro-nutrients and minerals or we have to take a supplement occasionally when in need as directed by a proper physician or find out ourselves if we need to check on vital amines or not!
It is really hard to live on an all natural diet as even the natural organic products are somehow mixed with pollutants in micro sized plastic and chemicals. Better we take the safer side and use the primary sources of nutrients directly from plants than second-hand nutrients from an animal or a middleman.
With all these aspects, we can say a vegan diet and lifestyle is found to be healthiest for ourselves, for the environment, and for this only home planet! 😊🌱🌈✌🏻
@@changchen09 idk man. I eat only meat and i feel way better. It’s selfish I know but I can’t deny it. I mean cmon I have tried everything else (even vegan) and this just does it for me. It makes me happy, more energetic, more social, physically and mentally stronger. I mean if you wanna take away all those things from me to prove your point then so be it.
@@spyro7249 There's no man alive eating only meat! There are millions of people thriving without meat since centuries. Hence, that is the reality we are living' in!
I gave you all the factual information needed out of years of profound research.
Now, it is your choice to live being ignorant or to change for a better life 🧬
Goodluck 🍀✌🏻🥂
@@spyro7249 this is called strawman fallacy! It's not a wise way to defend yourself. Go logically & accept the reality and fight for justice ⚖️ & truth 🥲✊🏻
Be a real man! Defend the innocent voiceless beings with that power.. as well said, with great power comes great responsibilities 💪🏻💯🌟
@@changchen09 damn I just said I was happy. Sorry you so offended man
good video, although i want to point out that b12 deficiency is prevalent among all diet groups, not just vegans and farm animals are supplemented with b12 before they are killed. Vegans have more fractures because they have lower BMI on average, which is a good thing and most studies account for confounding factors when comparing diet groups, so it isn't just that vegans are more "health conscious".
Second lie, gorillas and other primates don't have the same digestive systems as humans, quite different in fact.
Would you care to expand on that?
@@Shazam815 gut bacteria is the only difference. They can digest plant cell walls which us humans can't. (E.g. bamboo)
@@Shazam815live in different places, fill different niche, eat different stuff
@@Shazam815look it up their digestive track is 90% similar to humans. Meat eating cats and wolfs have very short intestinal tracks. Humans are designed to eat plants not meat.
@@augustineramos_ bullshit
You missed a vital term DIAAS(Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score) which determines the digestibility of protein consumed in human foods, in a nutshell, meat, fish and eggs are a lot higher quality than vegetarian or vegan foods. There's a trend that vegan UA-camrs and influencers started becoming pescatarian, omnivorous due to health complications led because of their vegan diet. I'm not trying to sound pessimist but before going vegan keep this in mind.
It is important for vegetarians to plan their diets well to be nutritionally balanced.
I have been vegan for 9 years. Neither I or any vegan I know have protein defficiency.
There’s also a bunch of competitive athletes that are vegan have been for a long time. I have been vegan for 4 years I am athletic muscular, compete in weightlifting and soaring past the omnis in my gym. You can be strong and healthy on vegan diet and save animals too!
Athletes are not a good example for any general understanding of the worlds population. Athletes (or at least ones that perform well enough to be professionals) are ALL genetic outliers. The vast majority of Vegan athletes were not Vegan through puberty, were not Vegan most of their carrier, are on steroids (like most high level athletes are, sorry to burst your bubble) and most importantly have the genetics required to process protein more efficiently and effectively than the normal person thus they can recover faster, train harder more often and WIN.
Your average Joe Vegan is likely to find their muscles go into atrophy if they had much to begin with almost straight away. The more they start with the longer it will take for them to end up with health conditions anywhere from a few months to 15years. I've known some people INCREDIBLY fit people (but not professional athletes) last around 5 years before starting to eat meet again. All of them found a slow decline in proformance, most thinking it was age, but then, when trying meat again gained back their losses in short order.
Oh and remember if you are talking about HEALTH, pro athletes carriers are only a few years long. Once they retire they completely change how they eat and train if they do atall. Looking at sprint speed times is not going to help you formulate a healthy diet.
@@Tiny.transformationswe were meant to kill animals for their high quality bioavaible proteins and the high calories from the meat. They didn’t eat 2kg fruit a day to have enough calories to be on maintenance
Speaking as a mixed Chinese vegetarian for over 25 years, one factor that impacts calcium uptake is its biosolubility. Green veg need to be paired with fats and proteins to be better absorbed by our bodies. Pair up any leafy greens with omega-3-heavy oils or nuts and proteins like tofu and legumes. Cook beans with rice for tasty and more soluable starches.
Medieval European diets had a lot of almonds, beans, whole grains, milk, and eggs for protein because eating meat was reserved for royalty and special ocassions. I gravitated towards Indian restaurants in my teens because it was easier to find vegetarian food that tasted great. There's a lot of really good knowledge to be gleaned from our histories to inspire ways we can survive and thrive. Not all the information from the past can be used today, but it can give us inspiration.
Chimps hunt smaller primates and eat meat when they can. Gorillas frequently eat termites and other insects.
That's true. Humans are moral agents and understand the difference between right and wrong though, we have a choice.
@@veganvaudeville309we can have an ethical conversation about what's right and wrong about eating animals, but that's a fundamentally different conversation then if it's "better for you" or if we're "not designed" to do it.
Also trying to equivocate all living animals and insitsting we imbue them with at least some of our fundamental human rights seems like a big sell.
Convincing someone that eating Chimps is bad because they have feelings and don't consent to being eaten is very different then saying the same thing about ants.
Just my two cents. If veganism works for you, if it's a dietary choice that supports your health, and if it clears your conscious then good for you bro, I'm glad you've made a positive change in your life.
@@veganvaudeville309 You use animal products just like everyone else here.
So much for your choice.
Why do you use animal products NEEDLESSLY while only pretending to be against it it?
Don't ignore the 'needlessly' this time.
Gorillas, chimps, spend most of the day chewing leafs and grasses. On top of that, look at their prominent bellies: their cecum is huge while compared to humans, they need that to be able to ferment plants so gut bacteria produces the fatty acids they need for energy. Once humans started consuming nutrient dense animal foods they were able to have more time to do things besides chewing and grew bigger brains
True. It's interesting to note the difference between the Chimp and Gorrillas digestive system. The Gorillas stomach is much longer, than a Chimps and ours, to manage a high plant based diet. The Chimps digestive system is much shorter, almost as short as ours, inclined for a meat plant based ratio. True as you say Chimps will eat meat, where as Gorilla's eat insects at most.
Water lentils contain B12. Like a lot of bioavailable B12.
Calcium is not easily absorbed from milk. I do not take any calcium supplements and my calcium level is 9.8. The threshold is 10.3.
Calcium is also very much added to vegan milks... these points keep being repeated about vitamins and such but they are pretty outdated compared to common products. Same story with B12, D, and iron.
Found a source of water lentils at £7 for 240 grams but it's sold out. The only other product available online was an extract of water lentils costing almost £30!
tap water around here is filled to the brim with calcium. if yours isnt somehow, just buy mineral water like pellegrino, evian or whatever.
a simple way to figure out if your tap water is "hard" (has lotsa minerals, most of which is usually calcium), is to see how much if any "regenerative" salt (or whatever it's called) your dishwasher needs. ours needs one kg every month which is a lot. another would be by taste, but for that you'd have to have a lot of experience tasting waters and know what they contained. personally, cold, hard water is the tastiest.
legit surprised by how many people are afraid of their calcium levels and i never drink milk or bottled water.
@@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988 Are you aware about the Chlorine and Fluoride chemicals that are added to tap water? It also has higher levels of heavy metal residues. Also live in a hard water area which means using more soap and shampoo.
@@bodhiapurva3887 where tf do you live, wth
well obviously, if you live next to a uranium mine, try not to drink local water, but no, our tap water doesnt contain any chlorine or fluoride to speak of, we dont drink indoor swimming pool water lol
but either way, mineral water is still an option
ps: more soap and shampoo bc of water? never heard of that before. my skin would immediately break out if i abused it like that
not the bestiality mention 💀
Yeah that was kinda cringe
But a discussion around the ethics behind bestiality vs factory farming can be quite relevant considering the process of how female animals are inseminated
@@EpicdpsThere was a video by triggernonetry that went into this.
Is eating meat worse than bestiality?
I mean, if you truly think about it critically for more than a minute, what do you call fisting cows in order to artificially inseminate them? Or forcing bulls to ejaculate? Is it not sexual assault performed on an animal by a human? Just to derive the pleasure of eating an animal's meat or consuming its breastfeed? The line is not so rigid between bestiality and the many inhumane practices of the livestock industry.
Anyways, go vegan.
Whew! For a minute, I thought you were going to tell me Oreo cookies aren't vegan.
The nightmare 😱
palm oil tho 😢
Some flavors aren't😑
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Good luck. Vegans don't do stuff like that. They're more concerned about feeling good than looking at hard data. They'll cherry pick the entire yard until they find something they don't like, ignore it, and then continue preaching.
To be vegan is to deny reality. They've done multiple studies on the *acres needed to support even the least impactful vegan diet and it's apocalyptic. Vegans never bring it up and pretend they're less destructive because factory farming is terrible. Funny, that wasn't the argument or point.
Uh oh. We got an hbomb fan over here
Me too. Just had to say it 😜
The b 12 argument lol im a supplentarian to eat all the food you essentially need is costly and you never get every vitamin essential to your mortality and fitness level it definitely helped me and most of this food is trash anyway lol I feel great I feel better fàsted not eating much full of vitamins and water and smoothies then eat like a few times a week lol I have kore focus and intelligence this food makes people literally stupid because your not focused keto genic diets work for athletic ism and intelligence definitely if youve ever done ot and not just listen to studies for an excuse not to do it
I swear meat eaters are NPC's like how can't they see that killing is bad? Oh but if their family, friend or pet gets killed all of a sudden their crying and melting down 🤖
Just don’t be vegan. They all look sick and unhealthy
I suffered from metabolic syndrome (obesity, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and high blood sugar). I went whole food plant based no sugar and oil and low salt and I lost 65 pounds, all my conditions greatly improved, my gums stopped bleeding, and erections and energy returned. I used to have an appetite that was never satisfied; whole foods cured it. I no longer use a sleep apnea machine. Finally, the food is cheap-Beans, lentils, sprouted flour less bread, rice, potatoes and seasonal apples. Also, I save money by not having to buy pills or visit the Doctor. I am thankful to all the vegans who suffered attacks to reveal the truth to me.
Your rhetoric is easily debunked, the meat didn't cause that. It's the food you where eating with the meat eg bread. Low carb, zero carbohydrates debunk your "Truth" also the high cholesterol isn't dangerous, it only is if you combine it with carbohydrates.
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu Beans, lentils, rice, potatoes and apples full of carbohydrates. He is eating mountains of them and having outstanding results.
@@joanworth3st There is no healthy plants only diet for us. Any claims otherwise are anecdotal with no studies proving anything.
We are all omnivores.
Both of your accounts seem like sockpuppet accounts.
First/last name followed by four numbers...
@@joanworth3st Fabricates outstanding results, In reality, those on a high fat low carbohydrate diet live longer and have superior blood work the lie comes from the fact they where previously on a HIGH FAT HIGH SUGAR diet.
In order to claim otherwise you use debunked lies regarding cholestrol, ignore relevant factors and strawman and misrepresent the health impact, the use and need of artificial supplements ALWAYS LEADS to inferior nutrition than those that obtain it through foods.
Before they killed themself by using two sources of energy that couldnt be used, now they are starving themself and relying on supplementation (Not all nutrients can be amply obtained on a vegan diet despite false claims) and almost all vegans rely on reinforced products that cannot compare to obtaining the nutrient through food itself and it NEVER will.
You have been exposed brutally
You are getting protien from Carb foods 😂
Lmao
This is such a great video and I WANTED to thumbs up it, but the icon is SOOO clickbate-y and disingenuous, which prevented me from doing so. Am I thinking about this in the wrong way? I’m open to other ways of thinking if anyone wants to give their opinion :).
It would have been great to mention that b12 isn’t a integral part of an animal. The animals themselves attain b12 by drinking dirty water, eating soil etc. lots of farm animals need to be supplemented themselves! B12 is actually synthesised by bacteria in the dirty water/manure/soil. Eating animals is such a 2nd hand way of getting this vitamin. My grandmother had to have vit b12 shots and she ate meat every day, it’s something a lot of ppl don’t get enough of regardless of diet.
Agree somewhat, but ruminants largely absorb it from their gut microbiome if that is functioning properly. Generally animal ag isn't feeding them a sufficient diet though, so that's why supplements are used.
Thank you Asap science 🙏 ❤ there are so many anti vegan videos on youtube right now and as a non vegan im looking at making some big changes for my health and my conscious
Good luck!
I've been vegan for almost 3 years now, and for me it was actually easier than i expected.
You just have to stay informed and keep in mind what are you fighting for and what are you fighting against.
When even ethical vegans like cosmic skeptic have to leave veganism out of health reasons, it's no surprise people will call out the lies spread .
@@yumeko1993 cosmicskeptic quit out of convenience. He had the same health issues before he was vegan.
@@yumeko1993 Cosmic Skeptic still advocates that everyone who doesn't have health problems that prevent them from doing so should eat a fully plant based diet.
no he didn’t he quiet out of it making his symptoms worse. I become ill because of being vegan more people quit veganism then at the rate of people going vegan.
because well humans aren’t herbivores but omnivores. if vegan was a good diet the majority of people would be vegan and would be thriving on a vegan diet it might work for the lucky few but I know 100s who have quiet and become really ill and actually nearly died it’s just something humans have never done and it isn’t our biology it’s only a recent thing that’s happening
I think more attention needs to be paid to the "studies" supporting any diet in order to verify how impartial these studies and researchers were.
Also, just more information is found out over time. I've read lots of studies on this subject and it matters both how they went about the study, who it is funded by or any declared conflict of interest, peer reviewed and more recent.
Science always leaves room for new information to change the game. Something we tend to forget when looking at sources, especially older out of date ones vs newer long term and often wider studies that come out later.
ok negationist. get out of scientific videos if you're not able to absorb it.
@@ghoot Prove how my statement leads to conclusion of my inability to absorb a scientific video (which needs better defining, by the way), please. And, on the flipside, how is my statement not relevant to the observational and impartial standards expected of scientific methods?
In addition, please specify what I have negated. So that I can confirm if you have understood my position precisely. Thank you.
@@irurouni The methodology is the important part, not who paid for the studies.
@@Icex7 Well, considering I've seen methodology manipulated before in papers, everything needed to be taken into consideration, to be honest.
I feel (yes feel. I'm not a scientist) that the way we farm animals makes a bigger difference. Industrial farming seems to have a lot more environmental downsides. Such as manure. From what I understand manure from industrial farmed cows is so toxic that it destroys any soil it touches leading to more waste and the need to make synthetic fertilizer, creating even more waste. While manure from non industrial famred cows is turned into fertilizer to aide and boost the growth of plants, reducing waste.
industrial farming is already one of the worst but grass feed is x3.5 worse for global warming
source : Oxford academic "Direct measurements of methane emissions from grazing and feedlot cattle
Some important added info: People with higher BMI have stronger bones due to weight bearing, and vegans have lower average BMI... thus smaller bones and more risk of fractures when accidents happen. There are also studies showing higher milk consumption in adulthood is linked to higher osteoporosis. It's likely because when arteries are clogged and intramuscular fat builds up over time, bones aren't getting minerals delivered effectively. And/or they might be leaching minerals due to acidosis.
When comparing vegan diets to traditional diets, it's important to remind people that most meat eaters are deficient too. Eating meat or dairy isn't a one-stop shop for micronutrients. Most meat eaters are deficient in folic acid, among other vitamins and minerals. When you're eating your nutrients from leafy greens, pulses, tubers, and fruits, you're too full for meat... and don't need it at all. It's possible to get all your nutrients with animal products in the diet, but I find it more difficult. Most meat eaters are sacrificing healthier foods for their meat. Also, vegan milk is supplemented with calcium for kids, but I recommend getting some calcium powder and fortifying smoothies and sauces with a little more.
Also, a lot of vegans don't care about health at all... yet we're all grouped together in studies. Often, studies that claim to be about vegans in the news headlines actually include vegetarians. Look specifically at the whole food plant-based studies, those show that wfpb is the best diet for human health.
Farmers have to supplement the animals with B12 as well. B12 is in water and soil, which is sanitized away. I was deficient as a meat eater and so are most people... farmers might be cutting corners. Everyone should get tested and supplement B12 as a precaution. There is actually a plant with B12, the water lily.
The study this video mentions literally admits their findings are not statistically significant when you account for BMI, therefore the claim that vegans have higher chance of bone fracture is a classic case of correlation and not causation. The media went apeshit over the skewed findings and most of them totally forgot to mention the BMI part. But the damage is done. People will now tell you that veganism is scientifically worse for your bones, even though that is not the actual outcome of this study.
"vegan milk is supplemented with calcium"
Not really, almonds and oats have more calcium by default than dairy.
I also saw somewhere that only 1/10 americans eats enough fruits and vegetables. There are literally fruits and vegetables supplements selling for $90
Always good stuff. You forgot the the impact of ‘I feel better about myself as a human being! ‘ gained as a result of going vegan. This has improved my self worth and therefore improved my relationships. Improved my health anxiety and reduced my candy intake too.
this is all based on perspective and doesnt represent any group in any way at all. I have no intention of going Vegan as animal based products just taste so good to me. I love a good piece of steak etc. yet I do not consider myself any less of a human being for doing so.
I fully understand the consequences of eating meat, yet for the same reason people dont stop driving their cars, using their cellphones, pretty much doing anything that requires fossil fuels to be produced and so on, I also am not going to stop eating meat unless my health absolutely requires it
@@Tdx21 lol. Yep. One of the flaws of being human.
You may not consider yourself as less of a human, but if you know the impact of meat, it can still feel good to stop (or even just reduce) its consumption. That's not to say it's easy, but I do think that this still applies
Somewhat unrelated: The reason people use cars is not because they are efficient intrinsically, but because our cities are designed in such a way that they are the fastest mode of transportation. In countries like the Netherlands, cars are less common, because of city design. Comparing this to meat consumption is interesting, but I'm too lazy to think about it right now so idk if it's a good comparison
@@Tdx21 it would be really difficult to give up cell phones or driving in cars! Going vegan or vegan-ish is really not that tough :)
“I've been on the carnivore diet for 5 months, I recently had a blood test and my bad cholesterol level is high. I'm 47 and my doctor told me I had a 60 year old heart. Should I continue with this diet?” Shawnleclerc
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study?
We both know you won't.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
@@georgewilson7808 Glad you agree with me, that isn't a plants only diet study.
The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants.
As usual, you're making things up.
You evaded both questions as usual.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed -The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
A really good summary of the facts as we know them today. Balanced, concise - you guys do a great job!
I have a water buffalo at my home(in Haryana India, we have a stable attached to our home for quick access to our pets). She gives the tastiest milk in the world. She always stays happy, she is curious about everything and has a shiny black finish. Buffalos are not as dumb as people think. As I observed, buffalos are much smarter than cats. Cats don't regret when they bite you, but my pet quickly picks up her foot as soon as she realize that it is stepped on your foot, then she steps aside. They can also learn many voice commands like she moves ahead when I say " aage ho", and comes to me when I say "aajya" and she can be programmed to respond to many more voice commands.
Is this buffalo constantly pregnant?
@@Kelseyveg No, she makes sounds and shows strange behavior when she wants to mate. Buffalos give birth every 1.5 years. Mine gives birth every 2 - 2.5 years.
@@Kelseyveg And we have public swimming pools for buffalos, we take them there every day, and some do this 3 times a day.
I am currently following a vegetarian diet. I wish I could go fully vegan but I have had 80% of my small bowel removed thus cannot currently handle foods high in fibre (which eliminates a lot of veggies) I wish I could do more for both planet and animals so ill say those of you have been following a vegan diet, I applaud you.
To those of you who have even tried to be more mindful about their consumption of animals I applaud you too. It is not easy, especially when you tend to be the minority. To anyone who is flirting with a more plant-based diet, I urge you to have a play around with Asian/African recipes. Maybe I have been living under a ginormous rock but I have recently found that I can introduce my family to such wonderful plant based food where they do not even miss the meat.
We are British *queue bland cooking jokes hehe* but my family love Ghanaian Groundnut soup, Kontomire stew which is spinach stew (apologies if I am butchering the spelling. Red red (black eyed beans) and of course the beloved jollof.
I myself am a sucker for seitan, tofu, and tempeh!
Vegan since 10 years back, just wanted to tell you that you are amazing who keeps a vegetarian diet despite having medical problems - YOU are the one who should be applauded and I think I speak for all vegans when I say that =)
any reduction in animal products is still good. keep it up
Make sure your health is balanced before you attempt to adopt something purely from moral standards.
@@silverlake973 like he said, he manages to keep healthy on a vegetarian diet. Don't worry:)
humans aren't meant to ingest lots of fiber regardless. hence why we don't have a secum and can't absorb most of the nutrients in plants
B12 is also in nutritional yeast, and I think many vegans love its cheesey flavor
If it's fortified yes. Where I live , what you find in most stores is not fortified. Still a good source of protein , other types of B vitamins, and the cheesy flavor tho :D
And Vegemite
@@mitkoogrozev I'm jealous. All of the nutritional yeast where I live (Canada) almost all is fortified and unfortunately, my genetics means my body can't utilize hydroxycobalamin (cheap synthetic B12 form) and the synthetic folic acid in it is actually bad for me. I had to special order unfortified nutritional yeast (I got it for the extra B1).
I have a question, for my issue is: How can I avoid being ill to my stomach after eating greens? Ever since I was a little child, I've been unable to consume greens and a few vegetables without throwing them up or feeling nauseous if I don't throw them up. Even if I try combining them with foods that I like it still has the same effect on me. Whenever I try to eat them now, I invariably have a nasty stomachache or wind up throwing up. In addition, in 9 months I'll be an adult legally and produce is inexpensive and better for the environment. I've also never experienced problems with fruits, some herbs, or asparagus (that's only when I consume the asparagus with other foods though). I've been living off of multivitamins manufactured from vegetables, but even those make me nauseous. Maybe I'm just anxious when I eat greens but still, It's a problem. I can't just survive eating mostly meats, fruits, dairy, and bread. Or can I?
Eat meat.
you may have an allergy or intolerance get both ruled out. or it could be a gut issue. see someone.
Plants are full of toxins and lectins (plant and vegetable defense mechanisms) that cause “leaky gut” where microscopic silica like hooks (think of it like asbestos) pierce your gut lining causing waste to leak into your bloodstream. Most lectins cannot be cooked out of vegetables even with enough heat. Look into that. Your gut lining may not produce enough biome to pass the amount of lectins needed to stop those symptoms. Ironically this can be fixed by eating meat, fats, and eggs.
i am turkish and and we often drink mineral water for digestive system disorders. I’m in the Aegean region from Turkiye and this region famous for it’s herbal cuisine. You can search from google and look our menus. 😊(Also At the same time, the Mediterranean region is famous for its herbal cuisine. There is even a famous diet called the Mediterranean diet. You can find many vegan alternatives if you search on Google.)
I talk too much, so my grandma’s recipe when we have a stomach disease: brewed mint! It has really cured all my stomach aches and reflux until today. I think you should drink mineral water or brewed mint after eating. I hope i could help you. 💚🍀
Green vegetables aren’t good for you. Eat meat.
Some suggestions
1. Where do the supplements come from? Vegan sources or not, how environment friendly etc etc
2. Vitamin D intake increases calcium absorption, could be the geographical impact you were looking for, as sunlight depends on latitude and also lifestyle of people may dictate intake of vitamin D, for eg. West africa has lot of sunlight and a lifestyle where people stay outdoors a lot, thus increasing vit D intake and calcium absorption
1. making pills is quite difficult, thing of all the processes and chemicals/machinery needed for them, B12 comes from bacteria that usually gets absorbed by the meat.
2. Reliance on pills weakens the stomach acid, and over-reliance on them weakens their effect due to our own system getting too used to it, each generation we can see that humans become weaker and less robust.
B12 is as easy as pie to produce and has no particular negative impact on the planet. Pills are plants based and you can even find your B12 in solid chewable tablets (such as in the Veg1). Plus, animals take artificial B12 too because of the diet they are forced to follow. So whether you take pills or meat, you are supplemented in B12.
@@sockonacab and pills have obviously been a crucial part of the human diet.. bro soon we cant even digest an apple after 4 generations
I just take vitamin D pills (2,00 iu's/day is perfectly safe and adequate). Many people are deficient, and it can be difficult, impractical, or unsafe to get enough sunlight. You also need vitamin K. The easiest place to get that is in green vegetables, which have quite a bit.
@@Amin-al-Husseini_1941pictureDo you have science to back up your claim that each generation is ’weaker and less robust’ than the one that came before it?
“I was on KETO for 2 years. I lost weight and my blood sugars and A1C went down but then…. My blood sugar numbers started going up along with my weight and my A1C went from a 5.1 to 5.7. I decided to go plant based because that's what I was before but I wasn’t doing it the correct way. This time I did it with no fat/low fat. My A1C went down to 5.1. My fasting blood sugar is 77 and I’m eating more carbs than ever before. I trust Cyrus and Robby!” fredsj
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study?
We both know you won't.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
@@georgewilson7808 Glad you agree with me, that isn't a plants only diet study.
The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants.
As usual, you're making things up.
You evaded both questions as usual.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed ~The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
I live in Portugal a country that loves meat and fish and bullfights, my family were mainly butchers and my great-grandfather and grandfather used to participate in bullfights. Going vegan made my cholesterol and triglycerides go down to optimal levels (confirmed by my doctor), my weight is at 70Kg all the time (don't need to concern about that), I can eat a lot of food if I want, I don't feel tired at all, I still exercise and practice bjj, I can sleep at night knowing I am not sending animals to Hell.. I mean.. slaughterhouses, my ecological footprint went down... The only thing I regret is not going vegan sooner.
In America my cholesterol went up quite noticeably when I went vegan for a few months, and I only noticed it even after I tried cutting out all junk food and processed foods, likewise with my GF who went vegan for a year.
I was also quite weak and my workouts and runs were slightly worse.
I even tried high/low carb and not much seemed to had changed.
Maybe my diet plan was bad, or I wasn't eating enough or eating too much, or it was all coincidence, but after slowly reintroducing animal products I was back and even better than ever in some instances.
@@jaek__ I guess my personal experience was quite different than yours then. I make sure to eat enough calories mostly from whole foods. I don't worry about protein anymore as most of the times I reach at least 70 grams by eating lentils, oats, beans, seeds and nuts.
Question: where does the B12 supplement come from?
If I were to guess it’s farmed using bacteria.
Its produced chemically
Usually bacteria, but it's also present in some funghi, specifically I know yeast has B12
@@fallen3424 Those bacteria are living creatures and you're using them to milk vitamins?! Blasphemy. Vegan hypocrisy at it again.
The beef liver and other rich sources from animals which have vitamin b12
Bro they all have these bacteria 🦠
One of the reasons I love your channel is that you don’t use the research to convince us to choose a side. I’m curious though, after doing the research for this video, what do you guys eat?
Food, of course 🤣
The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life; they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study?
We both know you won't.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life; they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
@@georgewilson7808 Glad you agree with me, that isn't a plants only diet study.
The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants.
As usual, you're making things up.
You evaded both questions as usual.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed ~The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life; they decreased their medication, blood glucose and cholesterol. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
Vegan for 7 years! Changed my diet (and other lifestyle factors like daily meditation, switching jobs, etc) while on medical leave in 2016 due to autoimmune disease and I've been in remission ever since ♡
The brain is 60% fat, animal fat.
@@pepper419 have a nice life and enjoy your CVD!
@@harbingerbk1 theres no studies of just red meat eaters. and there are people who eat only red meat and nothing else that have no cvd and have zero immune diseases.
@@harbingerbk1CVD? Are you making a joke about Mad Cow Disease? That shit ain't funny🤨
@@harbingerbk1 CVD is not caused by animal fats and autoimmune diseases are best treated with carnivore diets.
You're not making any sense.
I'm vegan because I cant bare eating animals products anymore because it distgusts me.
Also going vegan forced me to come to terms with nutrition, that's why I think I'm more healthy, not because "the vegan diet"(it doesn't exist lol) is healthier than "the omnivore diet"(same here).
If we start to enrich basic foods with micronutrients like cows meat is often containing b12 due to supplementing the cows.
We could make meat substitutes from high grade potato protein/mycoprotein and pack them with creatine, calcium, b12 and d3.
Thanks for a super interesting video! My health definitely improved when I cut out meat, because I was a super picky eater at the time and it forced me to diversify my diet. I think now I'm a lot more mindful about what I eat and creative when I cook :)
I think that is a good point. Many vegetarians/vegans tend to have more knowledge and think more about what they eat. The average meat eater just put things in his mouth.
@@olympelullyhat because "your average meat eater" is just your average human. And your average human is not diet conscious. But there are plenty of diet conscious and knowledgeable humans that follow an omnivore diet, don't be silly
You did two separate things. You stopped eating meat. You started eating a variety of vegetables. They're not exclusive choices. You could have added a variety of vegetables to your meat inclusive diet and had true diversity.
Complete opposite for me. Eating no meat one day for religious reasons has left me not enough nutrition. Im a rlly picky eater too but I Know the vegan/vegetarian life is NOT for me😌👍. you do you. 7:36 yeah at the same time you get low blood pressure. So still
@@rustymozzy Not the point. Doing one forces the other. Which is extremely important for picky eaters. When you have no choice because something other than a vague notion of diversifying your diet is motivating you, it's much harder to do. I share this person's experience, my personal desire to be vegan forced me to eat more varied foods and healthier ones.
Dairy consumption increases breast cancer.
Dairy is full of the hormone estradiol because the dairy cow is milked while it is pregnant and it has been measured in the milk. The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2 showed the more milk the Adventists consumed the higher the breast cancer. This study was confirmed by a study in China, CHINA KADOORIE BIOBANK STUDY. The Conclusion: The more dairy you consume the higher your breast cancer risk. ¼ cup/day of milk increases breast cancer risk by 17%.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study?
We both know you won't.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a great whole plants diet study. The participants got healthier in many ways. They had so much success they let the control group do the diet after the study ended. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@georgewilson7808 The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants.
As usual, you're making things up.
You evaded both questions as usual.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed The BROAD study is a great whole plants diet study. The participants got healthier in many ways. They had so much success they let the control group do the diet after the study ended. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
Fun fact because I was interested in it, mushrooms have low levels of B12 except shiitake has fairly high levels. Vegans could opt to eat more mushrooms in their diet to avoid having to take supplements
The safest (and cheapest) option is to just have a B12 supplement. It usually consists of other important vitamins and minerals the lazy vegans might like myself might not reach every day, making it a valuable decision for the future. Interesting about the shiitake, thought. I wasn't aware, but a quick google search did inform me that it does contain it. Would be interesting to know if it is bioavailable too, as B12 comes in several "flavours".
You shouldn't be avoiding supplements. Even as an omnivore.
@@apricot8301 Or you could just get your nutrients through a varied diet.
@@stsk1061 Everyone should be supplementing. There's no downside. Even omnivores should take b12 and vitamin D.
cant believe the mushroom is real and called shiitake. Thought you were shit taking me XD
UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate high fat (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study?
We both know you won't.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed Are you hung up on B12? Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@georgewilson7808 You evaded both questions again. I am not surprised.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed Still hung up on B12? Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
Vegetable Police has gone back and forth and he says his poops smell terrible when carni. He does get much calmer and puts on muscle more easily. But he does super low-protein extreme vegan diets most of the time like fruitarian. Switching back and forth has probably kept him alive, too many years of his extreme aporoach to everything would kill him gone on long enough.
"Going vegan is a simple step" then "those can be mitigated by careful planning"
Getting mixed messages there.
About 10 years ago the dietary associations around the world(USA 1st) started stating - 'a well planned vegan diet can be ok....'.
Because most people are meat eaters, and dietary policy is political - 'well-planned' made the statement more palatable.
Also most people are more concerned and kowledgeable about putting good gas in thier cars than eating the best food.
They (American dietary Association) didn't really want to acknowledge vegan diets but there was and is too much evidence to ignore and some of them really do care I hope.
@@baza0 though I don't want to speak for an entire organisation, I think the well planned bit is kind of a "political padding" per se and kind of not. I agree that it was put in because most people are meat-eaters, but it's not a lie by anything but omission. The thing is, when most people see the statement, they fail to consider that all diets must be well planned. The stereotypical American diet is abysmal compared to the diet of a health conscious vegan. Is the optimum human diet vegan? Maybe not. Am I willing to shave off the ability to pull a car with my nutsack in order to save billions of land animals and trillions of fish each year. Yeah.
@@tombradshaw1378 I agree, it's a status-quo bias. As you say, the average American diet is terrible, even outside of cardiovascular health, over 50% of Americans are deficient in something. Of course, it's not just America. The average diet here in the UK is similarly terrible and our dietetics association say the same thing. I guess one positive is that it could increase the health of people who are changing their diet (on average), decreasing the cases that industries pushing against plant-based foods like to emphasise. Although to be honest, it reads like copium as I'm writing this out.
@@tombradshaw1378 If the world went vegan the planet would would first become toxic with chemicals as it has in the past forty years, then we would lose all the animals that have been creating soil for millions of years.
@@baza0 Nonsense! You are referring the expired ADA statement that had vegan activists for authors, it was a rogue statement that went against all evidence and every governing health body who recommends a balanced diet. Their is no evidence that veganism is any better than other decent high-plant omnivorous diets, but there is plenty of evidence that it is worse. No amount of spin from you can make the expired ADA statement look plausible.
This video seems to present a very one-sided view of veganism, missing key facts about its environmental impact and overall sustainability. For example, it claims that being vegan is good for the planet because it uses less water and is better for the environment. However, recent studies suggest that one of the biggest contributors to methane emissions today is rotting produce, not livestock. Additionally, when discussing land and water usage, it fails to mention that cows and other livestock primarily consume feed that humans can't, and they are essential in turning non-arable land into high-quality food.
The video also overlooks the fact that the water used in agriculture and cattle farming is part of the Earth's water cycle. Just as the saying goes, "We are still drinking dinosaur pee," because the total amount of water on Earth remains constant-it gets recycled. This point is critical when talking about resource usage. Another thing to note is use of extensive pesticides during farming which is more harmful to the overall water body rather than a cow drinking it.
Lastly, the video touches on calcium intake but muddles the science behind it. It suggests that calcium-rich foods don't always result in better bone health but doesn’t explain how calcium is absorbed or why other factors like vitamin D and magnesium are necessary for calcium to be effectively used by the body.
In conclusion, rather than debunking myths, this video adds to the confusion around these important issues. It oversimplifies complex topics and omits key data that would provide a more balanced view.
Ok first two claims
Rotting produce probably just means uneaten food right? Thats a problem of over production, not veganism, both vegans and non vegans can and do buy to much food and are more likely to buy from larger selections at grocery stores, throw food out to early etc which contribute to uneaten food
Second, animal agriculture simply takes more land, they ether need lots of grazing land or lots of feed, huge, like unbelievably huge amounts of land are dedicated to growing animal feed, what like 70-80% of all soy farming is for animal feed, also cows consume calories to grow, so you dont get all the calories you put in back, if you get rid of animal agriculture you just have more land that could grow food for people, wether or not this plant agriculture is being used for food we eat rn doesn’t really matter outside of well, if you switch you needa switching period
wonder how the planet functioned before humans put cows on their land. Also the absolute majority of livestock is locked up inside, unable to move properly. I could go on.. every single argument you presented is flawed.
Nice AI Generated response.
5:04 you skipped where animals get the B12. From what I've heard cows and bunnies eat grass and veggies with dirt on it so they get all the B12 they don't make it themselves just like us
Go and eat dirt then.
2:35 Actually, you are completely wrong about chimps, they are very well known to eat monkeys, small antelopes and even each other. In fact, the brutal chimp attack in which a chimp named Travis mauled a woman had also eaten pieces of her face.
It is the social media mate, what did you expect ? 😅 Armchair professors giving lectures to other armchair professors. In short, most primates are omnivores or carnivores.
I went vegetarian (not vegan) for four years. My body has always required more protein than most and have an allergy to a lot of nuts and beans as well as soy, so I had to purchase a lot of other plant based protein to stay healthy. . Between the pandemic and having to drop to part time work due to my health problems I couldn't afford the plant protein anymore. It made me sick and I was consuming more carbohydrates to not feel hungry. I gained more weight and got high blood pressure. As of now, I reintroduced poultry back into my diet and feel much better. The only issue is that poultry is now becoming too expensive due to the bird flu issue. Ugh...
I seem to be sensitive to eating protein replacements too if I exclusively eat those too regularly. When I eat meat regularly I have more energy and generally feel better. But, I do try to research where the meat I eat comes from so I can have ethically raised food animals. I eat as little meat as possible, but it still needs to be every day.
I think most people can go vegetarian or vegan. But a few of us have sensitivities or allergies that require us to have meat, just like there are some people allergic to meat.
Variety is what's important (as humans overall, with less focus on meat because it's only one part of one food category).
I expected so much from this video. You’re supposed to be respectable ambassadors of science and yet you don’t talk about the effects on the body this diet has, the secondary carbon emissions which aren’t quantified by your ‘study after study after study’ and having read your description I noticed you forgot references.
The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies)
Outcome: The WFPB diet can be seen as an effective, safe option for weight loss and chronic disease risk and quality of life improvements. Key foods included whole grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented. The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication and blood glucose and their cholesterol dropped. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. The BROAD study, however, lasted only 3 months, yet the plant-based group not only lost significant weight, they kept it off. This study ran from August 2014 to 2015 and was extended to 2017.
There is no healthy plants only diet. No study shows otherwise.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChedThere's "just" this meta-analysis made by the largest nutrition organization on the world on vegan diets: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/
@@lauroaranha Glad you agree there is no healthy plants only diet study.
I said plants only...not plant based with supplements, fortified foods, or animal products.
Pasting an expired position paper based on a survey means nothing to me.
I accept your concession.
@@SteversChed Supplements are made of what if not plants? How can you be so dense lmao
@@lauroaranha Can you tell me the plant those pills, shots, and powders grow on?
I have never seen a pill bush.
Happy to see you have to agree with me since your only defense is "supplements are magically plants because I say so."
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
G'day, i have a Bachelors degree in sustainable agricultural science from the University of Queensland. As someone who is actually educated in this field it is worrying how many science youtube channels get parts of this topic incorrect (not saying they are wrong overall but youtubers arent normally educated in this field).
Firstly in regards to less impact on the environment the answer is alot more nuanced when it comes to beef production. First im going to qoute the Food and Agriculture organisation of the UN. Earths surface is made up of 71% ocean and water bodies. the remaining area is land whcih is 29%, we only live on 29% of the planet! Of this 29% of Land on the planet, only 13%! is useful for arable production (crop production to the layman). Now with extra fossil fuels and more land clearing we could increase this to over 16% but we can agree that we dont need to clear anymore.
Why does so much of our food come from so little land? Well simply put growing crops is harder than you think, factors that affect where you can crop range from precipitation, temperature, light (latitude), soil electrice charge (cation exchange capacity, and yes soil has electric charge that affects nutrient uptake), nutrients in the soil, soil makeup (clay, loam and sand soils) and factors such as ice and deserts just to name the main ones.
So why is this important when it comes to meat? Well 26% of the earths land is used for animal production on land that is not suitable for crops but can grow pastures that need alot less nutrient and rainfall. This phytomass is then through rumination in ruminants is turned into proteins, volatile fatty acids and sugars that the animals then turn into meat. In regards to methane production during methanogenisis in the ruman, methane although 80 times more potent lasts around 13-20 years in the atmosphere. My friend who has a science degree and is working for the Australian government is trying to get government bodies to stop averaging methane over a 100 year period like they do with C02.
I can continue to go on but to sum it all up, meat production needs to continue to meet the food demands for the world's growing population, with time and funding animal agriculture is becoming more and more environmentally friendly and animal welfare is increasing. (ps if farmers are cruel to livestock they become stressed and when stressed animals have a decrease in their production so its not profitable to be cruel).
I have heard that pasture and grassland are also more effective at sinking carbon into the soil than forested areas.
But... we still have to grow food for the livestock to eat, right?
@Surma Sampo yeah soil carbon sequestration using livestock can store hundreds of kilograms of carbon per acre, it was a big part of my degree
@Corinna Henderson in pasture systems its grass grown on land that cannot sustain crops which is fed to livestock majority of the time, i dont think you realise how hard and how particulate most crops are when it comes to soil type and conditions. when it comes to feedlot cattle for example majority of feed given to livestock is things such as low grade corn, carrots, barely and other grains that were meant for human consumption but are deemed too low qaulity for human consumption. So instead of wasting the food that humans cant eat we feed it to animals, this sadly is never spoken about (normally in arable agriculture crops for human consumption make way more than ones grown for livestock)
The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. The ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2, which included a large population of Seventh-day Adventists, found that individuals following a vegetarian diet (including both lacto-ovo vegetarians and vegans) had a lower risk of developing coronary heart disease compared to non-vegetarians. The study highlighted the protective effects of plant-based diets. Participants: 96,000 Adventists living in the U.S. and Canada.
There is no healthy plants only diet for us. No study says otherwise.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@georgewilson7808 Plant based diet is NOT the reason 7th day adventist are healthy. Instead, it is their healthy lifestyle that made it possible. No alcohol, no drugs, no late nights, no stress, no tobacco. If you need to blame food, it is junk foods. Most junk foods are plant based.
@@SteversChed Prove the presumption "There is no healthy plants only diet for us." with a source.
@@Zenithx3 You want me to prove a negative? Do you also want me to prove there isn't a higher being?
There are currently no healthy plants only diet studies. Find one to show I am wrong or accept that fact there currently isn't any. Either way...I win.
Cardiovascular disease is all about high consumption of saturated fat.
Okay, the whole “gorilla can be jacked on plant based diet” gets my goat. The gorilla eats 20kgs of fruit and leaves PER DAY. Along with bugs and other stuff it easily adds up to 300g of protein from the sheer volume of food consumed. This volume is simply not doable for a human.
Gorillas also eat mainly leaves and weight a few HUNDRED kilos. Don’t worry, bro, you can get more than enough protein from plants and be as jacked as a human can be.
@@MauroDraco
Show me any body builder, who got jacked up on a purely vegan diet, without any suppliments.
@@yumeko1993 there’s plenty. Check Patrick Baboumian and Game Changers out.
@@MauroDraco
Basically an already debunked documentary, as an evidence, you mean?
The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. The ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2, which included a large population of Seventh-day Adventists, found that individuals following a vegetarian diet (including both lacto-ovo vegetarians and vegans) had a lower risk of developing coronary heart disease compared to meat eaters. The study highlighted the protective effects of plant-based diets. Participants: 96,000 Adventists living in the U.S. and Canada.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study?
We both know you won't.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed People who eat meat take B12 supplements, why do you care if people who eat plants take B12 supplements. Think about it. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@georgewilson7808 Thanks for agreeing there is no healthy plants only diet studies. I win.
Still evading my other question? Typical.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed You have no studies that show meat, dairy, and eggs in the human diet is healthy. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
Finding out that gorillas sit around eating leaves and berries all day and can deadlift 2000kg
Cool, but we ain't no gorrillas and neither share the same stomachs ...
We also don't eat all day and weigh 300-500lbs. There are people that deadlift 4x their own body weight and eat meat.
@@simondavis1303and? There are many vegans who lift 800+ pounds.
@@aminkorri4628sounds like you're making excuses for abusing animals
@@Aashishkebab if you feel like it sure why not, I'm just pointing out at the fact that anthropologically our genus started eating meat and our digestive system is that of an omnivorous animal.
On the B12 point, I've always heard that you can't get B12 from plants and thus, if you don't want to eat dairies, eggs or meat, you should take complements. I have a mostly vegan diet (for conveniency I sometime eat vegetarian) for 2 years and I never invested myself much in having a healthy diet but after having been warned by my mom and various online contents, I slowly realized that It would be better to be a little more serious about it. So here I am trying to grasp the basics of nutrition... That's how I found French gov's "Table Ciqual" which is a data base on the nutritional composition of many food (dishes or raw ingredients). According to this data base, seaweed do contain B12..! Did you hear something about that?
Supplements are the most reliable source. Your options for maintenance are:
- 2mcg three times a day (possible but kind of a pain to ensure through fortified foods, not recommended);
- 50mcg once a day;
- 1000mcg twice a week.
@@stendemen1995 Thank you for your answer, I'll take supplement then :)
You can only get b12 from animals because it's made by special bacteria in their gut and that bacteria is only in herbivores.
Here's a thing. If I immediately disappeared, the difference of my impact towards the environment would be infinitesimal (exaggeration, but you get my point). And if I stopped eating animal products, it would only make my life more depressing, as if life is not hard enough already. Why would I have to suffer when the problem doesn't lie on small people like me, but on unnecessarily rich people and big corporations? I respect everyone's reason for going vegan but if you can't force me to become one.
Nobody is forced to go vegan. These videos just pick the 'studies' they want. They don't tell you to do a balanced diet. They tell you to just eat plants and pills as if making those pills is something you could do if you were on a farm.
say you want cabbage. You plant the seed and now you wait for them to grow. weeds will start to grow quicker but we don't eat weeds so we pick the weeds and water the cabbages. meanwhile you're hungry. You could eat last month's cabages but they spoiled so you can't have cabages. your diet needs cabages tho so what now?
cabages won't grow all seasons as well so you need to wait for the right season. you need food. so you plant potatoes and those grow almost every season but since you don't use pesticides and you're pro animals, some potatoes will be eaten by bugs and not all the work will be rewarded yet you will have many but now all you eat is potatoes.
don't mind me if I go hunt and have some protein to continue working on my potatoes and maybe sell some so I can cover the expenses.
Shocked that there is a higher risk for stroke..I would have thought the opposite.
like he said, one study with small sample size. it'd be good if they did a much bigger study and multiple to really come to a conclusion on that.
0.3% over 10 years with a small sample size... not overly convincing
I was also surprised by that, yeah.. it's worth mentioning the sentence that precedes the section he cited, though: while there are 3 more cases per 1000 people of stroke in vegetarians, there are 10 fewer cases of ischaemic heart disease per 1000 compared to meat eaters.
Not surprising at all considering how deficient in nutrients most vegans are!
Actually it is the opposite. Citing only one study isn't exactly the most scientific approach, unless if you want to sow doubt and fear.
Refreshing to see a well balanced and reasonable analysis on a potentially hot topic. Nicely done 👍
😅🤣🤣🤣
There's no semblance of balance there, my fellow commentator.
@@MauroDraco Why do you think that?
Buzz words
The presenter is making a fundamental mistake in stating the guerrillas having more muscle due to his vegetarian diet. It is a fact that all Mammals rely on saturated fat. The herbivores don't use the grass in their own guts, they rely on the fermentation of vegetation by bacteria which produces short chain fatty acid - a saturated fat. Humans, unfortunately don't have this function and we poop out most of the fibre. The one thing that Vegans will never be able to argue against - you are relying on supplements that didn't exist 70 years ago, and that means humans living prior to B12 would not be healthy on a vegan diet. You will be very arrogant to think that a man made pill can change millions of years of evolution.
You may want to look into b12 more deeply. B12 from animal exploitation is maintained by giving animal the b12 supplement. That nutrient is not animal drived but microorganism derived and it is not in the sterile water and food we eat nowadays as a result. You can drink river water or not wash your veggies to take b12 as well or give the animals those to make them take but food poisoning is not a good idea. In conclusion, nonvegans wouldn’t be able to take b12 as well in the past for the same reason of absence of supplements with the current diet of exploitation.
Also, it is a logical fallacy to draw excuses from past. We are not living in the past, we need to talk about current status. We are communicating through tech arent we?
Also synthetic b12 is really not great for you
@@louisequadrelli7961it is a chemical produced, it does not matter if it’s from a supplement
INTERHEART STUDY, a global case-control study, investigated risk factors for acute myocardial infarction (heart attack) in various populations. It found that a high intake of fruits and vegetables was associated with a lower risk of heart attack, emphasizing the cardiovascular benefits of plant-based foods.
Care to show a healthy plants only diet study?
We both know you won't.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@SteversChed A study out of Norway, the BROAD study, is a whole food plant based study that proved in improved health. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
@@georgewilson7808 The broad study confirms they use synthetic supplements on all participants.
As usual, you're making things up.
You evaded both questions as usual.
Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
@@SteversChed In the Broad study they only ate plants and it was wildly successful. They continued it for years instead of ending the study. Thank you for the easy win and your eternal concession.
1:53 judging by the imbalance in his arms, im gonna say that knight is single...
Lmao 🤣
that’s what i thought
I am Circus Acrobat training up to 6 hrs a day and off course performing a lot. I do blood tests regularly and surprise surprise my B12 was at the high end even tho I dont take any supplements! The rest of vitamins was perfect. 10 years Vegan and I didnt take any antybiotics since. Before that I was ill every 4-5 months! My body also feels better and i fixed some issues I had with my spine just by eating the right food. I also feel lighter and way more energetic even tho I am older. I know what to eat and I love to study nutrition. Plants are full of nutrients and even tho we eat clean food and water in modern world so we don't get the B12 that we use to have directly from bacteria we now have it in fortified foods just as much as we fortifiy animals. Skip the middle man and eat plants directly. Books: "The China study," "How not to Die"," Proteinaholic", "Your body in balance" - explains how our body works with food and what is killing us and what is making us healthy. Hundreds of studies and plants always win! On top of that, fun fact in my pregnancy i ate only fruits for 6.5 monhts! Put only 9 kg in my belly that i lost 10 days after labour. My baby came bigger than avarage 3.66kg and super healthy. So another myth about vegan babies....WFPB diet is So much pleasure, so tasty, sooo healthy and cruelthy free! It's a win win! So why not to do this if it's so much better???
Thank you for this. It's important to hear. 😊❤
The only part of your statement I'd like to dispute is cruelty free. Nothing in our culture is entirely cruelty free, the closest for fruits and veggies you can get is if you have some form of people owned farmers market, anything bought from a grocery store or big corporation 100% has cruelty involved when they kill any animals that enter the fields, not to mention the clearing of forests for the fields to exist in the first place.
But look at how small the primates brains are ....What happens to vegan babies?
And it seems without milk and meat proteins children won't grow to their optimal height.” Additionally, children raised on a vegan diet may not achieve ideal brain development. “If you cut out fish, eggs and milk, you're cutting out their sources of iodine which is really important for a growing brain.”Jan 14, 2022
Big brain is not equal to big mind
To me the hardest part about being plant based is having to put up with all the carnists haranguing us to eat meat or dairy.
That said, I am so over the "Oh, but we have theses canines!" argument. My eye teeth come to a blunt.....VERY blunt point instead of having a non-pointy top. and even the person I know with the most prominent canines, his canines are nowhere near those of a lion/tiger/wolf/fox/etc. Oh, and if you're gonna use the lion comparison, you need to stop cooking that meat you're putting in your piehole.
Supplements aren't always good. They're only good if the nutrient needed can only be found in foods that you may be allergic to.
There is plenty of times that supplements are important. In cases of food insecurity, absorption issues, etc. If you can get enough through diet, great, but that's not always in someone's control and supplements are a good backup
@@rachl8400 "back up" being the keyword. They're called "supplements" for a reason.
Why would that be the case? Why not if it's just found in foods that you don't want to eat?
Absorption of supplements is NOT the same as absorption through dietary intake, and the supplement industry is the wild west. Wildly unregulated and often containing large amounts of contaminants as well as varying levels of the reported ingredients. While supplements can be of aid in a medically supervised usage and carefully sourced they can also be downright dangerous, though usually, they're just a waste of money you're peeing away every day.
I can't wait for this comment section to be filled with people who feel even the mere mention of not eating animal products has offended them, their mother, their mother's mother, and their mother's mother's great great grandmother. I think you guys presented this very respectfully and truthfully. It is undoubtedly more environmentally beneficial and ethical, but any diet can be unhealthy. It isn't about the food you are eating, it's about the nutrients your body is absorbing. Every nutrient the human body needs to sustain itself and live at a comfortably healthy level can be found in plant products and are soluble to our digestive systems. Sometimes that does mean fortifying things differently, yes, but I never recall anyone getting angry over FORTIFIED MILK which is an animal product we fortified for maximum benefits. It's the same thing, just without the animal.
I refrain from animal products for my ethical values/reasons as I do not believe other living SENTIENT beings need to suffer just so I can eat. It's not a requirement to cause suffering nor is it healthy for your mind when you learn what cognitive dissonance is and start deconstructing the bias you have around non-human animal lives and their value.
Can't you say plants, mushrooms, trees, etc. Are also living? Why eat them?
I feel this. I had a chuckle a bit ago that there were comments left vehemently battling both sides 15 minutes after the video dropped.
At the end of the day, any diet will result in some amount of exploitation, but there is no silver bullet for either side. We should all be working together to reduce exploitation and looking for solutions toward that goal.
@@TotalBorroto you could argue semantics. I like using the word "sapient" over "sentient."
But your argument here takes us to trees and stuff used for homes, to river sand (full of life btw) used for concrete, the molds we kill with pesticides, whatever. Nobody wants to live straight up outside without a literally magical druid in the party.
I would really love more data about how one's ancestry changes the benefits of different types of diets. Comparing group that descended from those in areas where meat was more plentiful then plants, vis versa and those with access to a good balance. It would at leas help answer the "are we meant to eat meat" question. If anyone knows of any research on the topic I would love to read it.
i think its been proven already we are meant to be omnivores; so yes we are supposed to, its been linked to doubling the size of the brain when Neanderthals learned to cook meat is what ive heard
To my knowledge, early species of human adding high protein is how our brains evolved so rapidly. It's spoken about on Expedition Unknown - a two part episode about human evolution. I can't remember the episode names, unfortunately.
The B12 thing is so true, but only because animals get B12 via grass and such. the b12 we get in animal food, is basically absorbed B12 from their plant based diets. Unfortunately, due to intensive farming becoming the norm, most livestock are fed B12 supplements as they no longer graze on food that contains B12 naturally. Therefore when we eat animal products with B12, its actually a supplement anyway which is why I'm ok with eating supplements or enhanced foods :)
Lol
Vitamin B12 from plants is available from a variety of sources, including nutritional yeast, fortified foods, cereals, mushrooms, and some algae. These sources of vitamin B12 are an excellent way for vegans to include the nutrient in their diets. In addition, real ale has plenty of B vitamins including B12. Since becoming vegan 8 years ago, have never needed any type of vitamin and mineral supplements to remain healthy.
@bodhiapurva3887 mushrooms are not plants really not plants.
@@bodhiapurva3887mushrooms love to eat meat
Is it possible that a generalized vegan diet could be inefficient?, not all the territory on earth is appropriate to grow vegetables, and humans don't actually consume the entire vegetable production, there are a lot of waste, also meat is relatively easy to produce and energetically very dense, would a vegan diet be a viable option for everyone?..
Eskimos?
If you can’t grow plants you can’t raise animals. What will they eat? And meat is not easy to produce. It takes tons of energy, water and resources and produces tons of CO2 and methane. Way more than growing vegetables.
@@shuttergod8706 Yeah thats why i was talking about efficiency, probably a reduced meat production would be the most way