Absolute gold! Great info and here I thought the 2 measures were the same. Didn’t realize you pay different based on US vs metric named tires. The weight difference on the mudders is huge!
the difference in price is due to the overall production volume. it takes a lot to set up a machine to manufacture a tire, the more made on a particular run, the cheaper the tire can be. check out the price of a 225/60r16 vs a 225/55r16 or a 235/75r15 vs a 235/70r15 or a 205/55r16 vs a 205/50r16 or a 265/70r17 vs a 265/65r17. common sizes have lower prices. also, tires that are a stock size on a vehicle will be a much lower price.
I get what you are saying but in 20 inch wheels you can't get 70 series All Terrains, you can go 295/65 x 20 but that is only an 11.5 inch tire, not as wide as most run with the 35/12.5 x 20. So if you want the width and height you are going to pay no matter what no way around it. plus if you go for the width in the metric size with a 325/60 x 20 then you will be paying more than a 35/12.5 x 20 tire.
Was just pricing tires for my old square and this video certainly rings true. I just wanted 33s but a 33x12.50r15 which was actually a 32.2 vs the equivalent which was a true 33 but it's a 10.50r15 had higher load range higher speed and weighed less. In addition it was about $50 cheaper per tire. While the wider tire is preferred I couldn't overlook the differences. Especially for a truck that will be going into storage in another month until next summer.
if you off-road in a non full size vehicle, an E rated tire is inappropriate for the vehicle. Not only is it much heavier, and rough riding, you would have to let a lot more air out of them to conform over obstacles, which increase the chance of losing the bead. Most Jeeps and Toyotas should be looking at C or D rated.
I have a 2017 Ram 2500 Power Wagon. When I bought it (used) it had a set of those same Falken tires on it (brand new tires) instead of the original Goodyear Duratracs that the Wagon comes with new. Now mind you, I’m not rock crawler and currently since my wife is in the military we are stationed where it’s congested traffic and basically 100 percent urban. Yeah, currently the Wagon is a “mall crawler” until she finally retires (in just a couple more years) then it’s back to NW PA for us where we will be in the sticks in the middle of nowhere with lake effect snows and barely an urban location anywhere to speak of, I’m talking peeing off your front porch at lunchtime in full view of the road middle of nowhere. Hopefully then, these tires will show me what they got. I don’t drive much where we are currently, but the few times I have driven, of all places I got kinda “stuck” was in an unfinished (think mud) parking lot next to a muffler shop. When it happened I didn’t even realize the truck was spinning really. It wasn’t even that soupy. I was in 2wd, put it in drive to go pick the wife up at the front door after dropping off our other vehicle and it wasn’t moving. I wasn’t hammering on the skinny pedal, I had just eased off the brake and was going to just let the truck slowly start moving before adding anything to it. It didn’t move at all. Confused, I braked and put it in park. I got out and along with some mud on the side of my truck and caked in the wheel wells those Falken’s (just like what you have beside you in the video) were PACKED with mud and were smooth. I admit, I was kinda shocked. It was cold enough outside that the “mud” was pretty stiff, nearly frozen. It was more on the dry side than the wet side of being mud, as I said….not soupy. I have a ‘52 M37 sitting on 37” NDT’s that would have lurched from that spot with ease. So, I think the Falkens just aren’t as suited to handle somewhat (read: barely) muddy situations as I’d hoped. I think the original Duratrac’s would have done better in that situation. Aside from that one instance they seem like good tires. Time will tell I guess.
Most people that have vehicles like that can't afford to drop $2,000 on a new set of tires. Or they just don't want to. Falcon tires should be listed as cruel and unusual punishment under the Geneva convention. The saddest part is when you think about the longevity of the tire and break it down to cost per mile between a cheap and expensive tire versus the Goodyear dirt track which is in my opinion the best tire out there, The More expensive tires like your toyos your nittos your good years your BFGs always work out to be less expensive in the long run. Hell I've seen people go through two sets of cheap tires in the same mileage that an oilfield driver would go through one set of good tires.
P-Metric tires and floatation tires are more different than you're explaining. A Wildpeak 35" tire can support the weight of my Jeep at 25 PSI. The P-Metric version requires 35 PSI to support the same load.
EXCELLENT video! Thank you! I never would have known. I have a '22 Diesel Rubicon JT, and am almost ready for a new set of tires. This is great information.
This dude is silly..... I love when people think their 33s are 35s😂😂 dude thinks he's debating on 33s vs 35s but he's actually debating 32.7 vs 33.2. Now I get the argument on weight but....homie people that actually off-road, that extra 2ply in the 295 are worth that weight. I've punctured 10 ply tires on the trail. So yes that stuff does matter. 12 plys are going to do much better at lower psi.
It’s only a 6 min video. You should listen to the whole thing. No one is debating 33 vs 35. It’s 295 70 r18 vs 35 and there’s 1/4” difference in height. They’re the same size.
I purchased a set of these tires and they SUCK! They made my truck ride like a wagon, they are loud and they will not stay balanced for some reason. I take my truck back into the tire place they balance them it rides OK for a few months and then all of a sudden I get a vibration. I take the truck back in and sure enough they are way out of balance again. I don't even know how that's possible.
I have the wildpeak at3s now and love them in the wet snow and ice. I’m thinking about trying ko2s next. Which do you prefer? I’m in Northern California in the Sierra Nevadas
We ignored cost and weight and wear, all we cared about was the punctures and cuts resistance of the sidewalls, and how much we could fit. We went with KM3s because the Maxxis Trepador M8060 wouldn't fit, and there was no M/T Baja Boss Powerply XD at the time. BFG had a video out, I wish I could find it now, of the KM3 sidewall over a sharp edge of angle iron, loaded, not even a scratch. That sold us. The tread isn't as aggressive as Firestone's MT2, but everything else is better, no regrets. We have 285/75R16 on a '99 Suburban
Same deal with the Toyo MT's versus their AT111's. I had both. The MT has a really robust sidewall compared to the AT111 even though the weight's not a whole lot different.
37’s from military humvee is the way to fly.. bit heavy but come with bead locks.. $200 a wheel! 90-96% tread been using them on my dmax for 2.5 years.. a guy in wi sells just the tires for $100 a piece..
Was looking at tires bigger than 33 but smaller than 35 for my sierra 1500. My dealer gets the best prices on BFG so I went with KO2s. 17 inch rim, they make a 34x10.5 17! I thought I would go for that, when I found they make a 285 75 17, which measures out to about 33.9x11 or so. They were about 75 dollars less per tire, and just like you said they are 80psi rated, not 65. Metric is the way to go!
It isn't a ripoff, it's just a production volume thing. They produce many thousands of 295s and a fraction of that number in 35s so naturally the more common size is going to be cheaper. I agree with everything else but the price isn't a scam.
This isn't always true and can vary drastically depending on rim size, load, etc. For instance, a 315/60R20 (34.9x12.4) Geolandar G003 is $170 more per tire than a 35x12.5R20. The 315 is a 125 D load vs a 121 E load, but $170 more for metric. Long story short, everyone should do their research and see what their total options are depending on their size and requirements because there MAY be a cheaper option if certain characteristics (load rating,etc) don't matter to them.
Yeah I’ve responded to someone with a 20. I wasn’t really calling out 20” people in my video. More off-road Overlanding 4wd people. 20” + is confusing because it’s difficult to find both the us and metric sizes for a lot of tires. But yeah in general this is a 15-18” video. I didn’t think it would be getting this many views outside of what I usually do my videos on. Thanks
You did a good job here and I don’t want to sound critical. My two cents…the height numbers the manufacturer give you from the catalog are not the the same as the “actual mounted height” on the rim in the real world. Thanks subscribed!
You should make another video comparing alot of different tires I had 35x12.5 and went down to a slightly smaller tire saved 800$ on 4 tires The 35 I bought back in 2017 they were 505$ can for 1 tire and now the same tire is 560$ Hense why I went to a smaller size saved 50 lb and a pile of money 4 tires ready to mount were 1600$ Tires in Canada are insanely priced
Great info. Have a gladiator with 33's and wanted 35's. It's not so much the money for me as the weight. These things are dogs as it is. Cannot "afford" another 80'lbs of weight. By the time you add lights, bumpers and all the other stuff, these things are like farm tractors.
My last work truck was a 2015 F250 diesel. It weighed 9700 lbs with parts and tools loaded. Had 80 PSI Firestone tires on it when I got it. I average driving 150 miles a day to and from work, Had 4 blowouts in 3 years going 75 mph down the highway almost flipping the truck twice. I work in mining, so the truck is subjected to loose rock, ruts and just all around bad conditions. I have never made it to 30,000 miles from Firestone or Michelin in the 80 PSI 10 ply tires. My tire guy suggested I go with 12 ply's at 60 PSI, that was 3 years ago and those same tires are still on the truck with about 60k miles on them. I recently got a 2023 Ram 2500 that came with 10 ply, 80 PSI tires new. Switched them out at 50 miles to 12 ply. I'll never do 10 ply on a heavy truck again, it's just dangerous TBH.
You shouldn’t be running them to max psi if it says 80 run 60-65 Big trick tires say 120 and everyone with a brain knows you run 95-105 Max pressure is cold pressure once they heat up you can expect 10-20% higher psi depending on load and ambient temperature
I also found that most all terrain tires have a very limited or no warranty lesson learned after 3 sets of Goodyear wranglers belts breaking for no reason
I discovered this a while ago, but without as many crunched numbers. I run essentially a 34.2, rather than a 35. Saves me (in 2024) nearly $135 a tire.
I ran the AT3W for one summer wheeling season and had so many sidewall cuts they had to be replaced at only 8k miles. People who don’t actually use their trucks off road seem to love them though 😂
I searched for 35's, but came across this video. All I have to say is wow. I never knew, and thank you. Hopefully BF Goodrich/Firestone hasn't off'd you yet
Tire sizes are more of a rough guess than an actual measurement. It varies by manufacture. Cheap inexpensive Chinese tires are much smaller, coopers are generally smaller Goodyear is pretty accurate, and Toyo / nitto are generally larger than listed. It gets noticeable above 31 inches roughly. This is why any tire store and manufacture will tell you not to run different brand tires or even different model tires on four-wheel drive vehicles but especially all wheel drive vehicles. They aren't trying to rip you off they're trying to save your vehicle. The 295 sizes were popularized within the last decade by nitto/Toyo. As new manufacturers enter that sales market their prices are going to be lower to try to get recognition and compete. As time goes on I'd wager that their prices will normalize. Fuel economy and power is greatly reflected by a tires rolling resistance. The larger the tire the greater the footprint on the ground the greater the rolling resistance. Yes the weight has an effect but not nearly as much as rolling resistance. I would assume The extra weight my play into brake life more but that could also be because of the angular momentum of both the extra size and weight, but I can't say for certain.
The E load tire at 65 psi will carry as much as a E load tire at 80 psi . You can’t compare the load range of two different tire with two different load ranges. Compare apples to apples. Plus a 315/70r18 is 35.4” tall which is a true 35”. The 295/70r18 is 34.4” tall not a 35”. The load range D, E and F has zero on the mileage a tire gets. It’s referring to the side wall, not the contact surface/ tread that meets the road. The higher content of silica in a tire gives it the mileage. More information can be obtained through TIA and RMA it’s a school about tires .
There is SOOO much more to this conversation that the oversimplified numbers you’re focused on. Bottom line is that the 35’s aren’t for everyone, but you’re wrong if you think they aren’t for anyone.
@@NoSmileification Many times the load range will differ as well as the make up of the sidewalls and what they can withstand for abuse. A higher price is usually justified though not always. A lot needs to be taken into account when considering your build.
Huh? Big tires are amazing offroad or when going over speed bumps curbs the load rating and speed rating and weight is important they DONT POP as easy and some have kevlar inside, main thing is side to side wall support so it dosnt fly off when offroading, you need to re-gear the differential or you will get very bad gas mileage and damager drive train
Yeah… hummer hmmwv stock runs 37x12.50x16.5- the later year hummers had 17” rims. Ya see the same thing with 36-37-40” jumps. I wish there was a law about advertising exact size but instead it’s like wood- 2x4 isn’t a 2x4.
The facts matter. 33" 35" = no milage warranty. 285/70R17 =33 can have up to 65k milage warranty same for 315/70R17 =35 can have milage warranty but not always and brand matters as does load range.
I will never understand how anyone would run the BF Goodrich KO2 AT tire. Its tread plugs up in just about any situation other then some gravel roads and dry pavement. Worst tire I've ever had, and they last FOREVER (Which would be a Great thing if they were any Good) Worst offroad tire ever Made.
2:58 Yeah they measure 33 and a 1/2 34 and a 1/2 sometimes if you're lucky those Falcon wild pigs are a great tire though I have them I have installed them on tons of my customer's car with highly recommend them bat or toyo open countries BF Goodrich K02 is Absolute garbage tire not even on the list of comparison Is Falcon wild peak is the best wet traction tire there is on the market Toyo is very comparable But almost twice as much money And I don't think they have the same wet traction but they are a little better in the dirt and mud. 18 inch wheels always have more expensive tires. 17 Are the ticket if they'll fit around your Breaks Always better to have the most common size tire also because not every tire shop in the middle of nowhere will have a tire for an 18 inch wheel. I'm telling you this as a mechanic that a specialized and 4 wheel drive pick up trucks for 25 years. Old school BF good wrench tires used to be good. I never thought they were great the old generation ATB FG tire lasted like 15 years because they were turned rock hard and never wear out. But they also never did anything very well. K02 is the modern version of that tire. I've had them on my personal truck they were garbage. Do you want a altering tire by Falcon's Toyo or Michelin's.
Doesn't really apply to old school 15" rims. It's hard, if not impossible, to find anything metric the size of a 35" tire. Heck I couldn't even find one for a 33" tire.
Thanks for this video bud! You are absolutely right! I was going to buy the Falken RT01 35x12.50r22 for $579 each. I researched and found the 325/50r22 for $413 each! That's like $700 savings in the set of four! Thanks again Nick!!!
The 12 ply might hold up better off road (like not improved dirt road). For my needs... I doing the Metric size and still gonna bitch because it cost to much! Never understood that. My last set of tires I bought stock take off ATs with newer rims for only 150 more than it cost for a full set of tires and sold my stock rims that came with my truck for 350 dollars. Updated to a look I wanted ended up running out a new set of tires. Looking at some. I had some wild peaks and they didn't wear nice for me. I got under the mileage rating before they were done they were also loud a heck! I went with some other tires next time. This is will be the 6th set on this truck. For my last truck I ended up getting non metric tires because they were roughly the same size and cheaper! Interesting turn around.
Yeah they measure 33 and a 1/2 34 and a 1/2 sometimes if you're lucky those Falcon wild pigs are a great tire though I have them I have installed them on tons of my customer's car with highly recommend them bat or toyo open countries BF Goodrich K02 is not even on the list of comparisons I can while peak is the best what traction tire there is on the market Toyota is very comparable But almost twice as much money And I don't think they have the same wet traction but they are a little better in the dirt and mud.
You really need to understand a few things: a mud terrain is made for off-road. You don’t run full air pressure off-road. The tread is not only different in an offroad tire, but how flexible that tire is when aired down is different too. As is how tough the tire is in a ‘resistant to punctures, pinch flats, and how low of psi you can achieve before it comes off the bead’ sense. All are important if you are looking to *offroad* you can’t come at this from a strictly road dude approach and pretend you’re presenting facts my guy. Your cheaper tire isn’t cheaper if you’re replacing it all the time because you shredded it on a trail and also ripped another off the rim and now have to walk out and pay a lot of money to have a recovery guy come in and haul you out.
Dude, I don't even need to complete the video to know where this is going. If your car requires E rated tires, then Stick with sizes that are E rated... This isn't rocket surgery.
I have been running 32s for 20 years. I'm not an extreme rock crawler... trails and woods 32s never let me down. Seems to be the perfect size for what I do.
You could go one better and get 33 inch "pizza cutters" like I did. 255/80/17. Skinny but tall. They are light and roll excellent, and perform well off road.
Bad explanation and difficult to follow. Instead of explaining the dimensions of the tire he just points and says "this one". What is he even talking about?
Tires for trucks are too expensive,all you’re paying for is a little bit of tread and once that’s worn out,you’re left with the useless tire carcass that cost most of the money.
My guess is it comes down to production numbers, and sales. The tire manufacturer sells many more of the metric than the inch tire. Therefore its gonna be cheaper
ASE certified mechanic that worked at a tire shop for many years and I can say this is some great info. Only thing not mentioned is you also GAIN off road traction from a skinny tire so if your rig is more than a mall crawler there is no reason to buy high flotation tires! Great video!
I love this point, but I’m hoping you can clarify it a little more. It’s to my understanding that “skinny’s” are better in dry and shallow mud/water/snow because they provide a higher pressure per inch to the ground, and they also cut down into the mud/water/snow more and get you to the hard dirt/asphalt so you get better traction. I did however, hear that in really deep mud and snow you actually want the floaters so you don’t sink and belly out. Any say on this? Obviously there is no “1 tire is best in every situation” but I’m curious about this. I’ve also watched videos comparing “footprints” of skinny vs wide tires and while every brand will be different, the skinny’s actually gave a larger footprint and wrapped over items better.
skinny tires are great if you want deep ruts and you don't have very soft ground like we do in Louisiana. I"m a land owner (wooded tracts for hunting, pond and creek fishing and timber production" we do not allow skinny tires on any of our properties. They dig huge deep ruts and make bad spots become impassable or winch spots. 35" inch wide tires work best, I've seen it first hand. I have driven around skinny tired vehicles with my "floaters" as you say, they dig adn sink too deep and vehicles bottom out, at least on my place. 35" wide tries help keep you from sinking in what we call Gumbo mud. Tires are not one size fits all, it depends on where you drive.
295 is not 35” you need to go to 315. 315/70-18 vs 35/12.5-18 Diameter inches (mm) 35.36 (898.2) vs 35.03 (889.68) Width inches (mm) 12.4 (315) vs 12.52 (318) Circum. inches (mm) 111.09 (2821.78) vs 110.04 (2795.01) Sidewall Height inches (mm) 8.68 (220.5) vs 8.51 (216.24)
I live in FL, I have these Falken Wildpeak AT3s in 33" on a F150 SC. They also work great in mud, sand as well as wet or dry interstate. First set I've ever owned & at 49 years old, the best set of ATs I've ever owned & will not buy any other brand since owning these. I've got over 40k miles on mine and they still look new. Best tire on the market imo
Hey I’m in total agreement with you on this. I rather have metric size which can be taller than a standard size. Your better with a narrower tire. I’ve had large mud tires on numerous trucks but years back I switched to metric. Excellent video
In general I agree. I like the 285/75r18 size personally. Actual diameters of these 285s is larger than the actual diameters of “35” inch tires. Same with your 295s.
The 35 is not meant to be a heavy load tire, it’s got a heavy sidewall to drop pressure real low and conform to the terrain where as the 295 is meant for flat ground and maybe a yard, not big rocks and rough terrain. You only show one part of the situation but not the main point of the 35. The point is you don’t buy 35s to haul things which is pretty much common sense, you buy them to do the serious off-roading and I’m not talking about getting unstuck from a ditch
For tires like the Maxxis RAZR M/T the 315/75 R16 is 34.8" tall and 12.8" wide if you have 16" rims. The 295 is the width in "mm". The middle number is the height of the sidewall in "mm" essentially. It ALL depends on what size rim youre running.
@@jeremiahfiek5495 The second number is a percentage of the first number, not millimeters directly. Like a 295/70R17 for instance. The 70 means that the sidewall height is 70% of the 295mm. So you have 295 x .7 = 206.5mm for the sidewall height.
Thank you for pointing this out! I noticed this phenomenon a while back when comparing tire sizes for a potential prerunner build on my '94 Silverado. Nearly all offroad tires that were sized in inches were more expensive than their metric sized counterparts, and to varying degrees depending on rim size and width. It's definitely a scam to squeeze more money out of off road guys used to buying tires by the size in inches.
K02 didn’t last for crap on my f150 Nitto Ridge Grappler on my second set 35/12.50/16 lasting over 50k miles last set this set as well will run past that
Absolute gold! Great info and here I thought the 2 measures were the same. Didn’t realize you pay different based on US vs metric named tires. The weight difference on the mudders is huge!
the difference in price is due to the overall production volume. it takes a lot to set up a machine to manufacture a tire, the more made on a particular run, the cheaper the tire can be. check out the price of a 225/60r16 vs a 225/55r16 or a 235/75r15 vs a 235/70r15 or a 205/55r16 vs a 205/50r16 or a 265/70r17 vs a 265/65r17. common sizes have lower prices. also, tires that are a stock size on a vehicle will be a much lower price.
I went from a 295/65/20 Nitto Trail Grap to a 35” Mickey m/t and the 295’s were taller by a half inch 😮
I get what you are saying but in 20 inch wheels you can't get 70 series All Terrains, you can go 295/65 x 20 but that is only an 11.5 inch tire, not as wide as most run with the 35/12.5 x 20. So if you want the width and height you are going to pay no matter what no way around it. plus if you go for the width in the metric size with a 325/60 x 20 then you will be paying more than a 35/12.5 x 20 tire.
Facts
My LT295/65R20 Maxxis RAZR MTs are .9 inches taller than the 35" offering and I'd rather get that extra height than width any day.
My brain broke
Info overload haha
I don't have a truck why I'm here
@@NickMangoon mine I ended up with the opposite scenario, the 35-12.50-17s were cheaper than the 315-70-17s, so it pays to check the prices for both.
@markasread4349😮 Chill it's only $2,000 worth of tires 😮🤯😵💫
And that’s why they’re able to rip you off lol.
Was just pricing tires for my old square and this video certainly rings true. I just wanted 33s but a 33x12.50r15 which was actually a 32.2 vs the equivalent which was a true 33 but it's a 10.50r15 had higher load range higher speed and weighed less. In addition it was about $50 cheaper per tire. While the wider tire is preferred I couldn't overlook the differences. Especially for a truck that will be going into storage in another month until next summer.
if you off-road in a non full size vehicle, an E rated tire is inappropriate for the vehicle. Not only is it much heavier, and rough riding, you would have to let a lot more air out of them to conform over obstacles, which increase the chance of losing the bead. Most Jeeps and Toyotas should be looking at C or D rated.
I have a 2017 Ram 2500 Power Wagon. When I bought it (used) it had a set of those same Falken tires on it (brand new tires) instead of the original Goodyear Duratracs that the Wagon comes with new.
Now mind you, I’m not rock crawler and currently since my wife is in the military we are stationed where it’s congested traffic and basically 100 percent urban. Yeah, currently the Wagon is a “mall crawler” until she finally retires (in just a couple more years) then it’s back to NW PA for us where we will be in the sticks in the middle of nowhere with lake effect snows and barely an urban location anywhere to speak of, I’m talking peeing off your front porch at lunchtime in full view of the road middle of nowhere. Hopefully then, these tires will show me what they got. I don’t drive much where we are currently, but the few times I have driven, of all places I got kinda “stuck” was in an unfinished (think mud) parking lot next to a muffler shop. When it happened I didn’t even realize the truck was spinning really. It wasn’t even that soupy. I was in 2wd, put it in drive to go pick the wife up at the front door after dropping off our other vehicle and it wasn’t moving. I wasn’t hammering on the skinny pedal, I had just eased off the brake and was going to just let the truck slowly start moving before adding anything to it. It didn’t move at all. Confused, I braked and put it in park. I got out and along with some mud on the side of my truck and caked in the wheel wells those Falken’s (just like what you have beside you in the video) were PACKED with mud and were smooth. I admit, I was kinda shocked. It was cold enough outside that the “mud” was pretty stiff, nearly frozen. It was more on the dry side than the wet side of being mud, as I said….not soupy.
I have a ‘52 M37 sitting on 37” NDT’s that would have lurched from that spot with ease. So, I think the Falkens just aren’t as suited to handle somewhat (read: barely) muddy situations as I’d hoped. I think the original Duratrac’s would have done better in that situation.
Aside from that one instance they seem like good tires. Time will tell I guess.
Most people that have vehicles like that can't afford to drop $2,000 on a new set of tires. Or they just don't want to. Falcon tires should be listed as cruel and unusual punishment under the Geneva convention. The saddest part is when you think about the longevity of the tire and break it down to cost per mile between a cheap and expensive tire versus the Goodyear dirt track which is in my opinion the best tire out there, The More expensive tires like your toyos your nittos your good years your BFGs always work out to be less expensive in the long run. Hell I've seen people go through two sets of cheap tires in the same mileage that an oilfield driver would go through one set of good tires.
P-Metric tires and floatation tires are more different than you're explaining. A Wildpeak 35" tire can support the weight of my Jeep at 25 PSI. The P-Metric version requires 35 PSI to support the same load.
EXCELLENT video! Thank you! I never would have known. I have a '22 Diesel Rubicon JT, and am almost ready for a new set of tires. This is great information.
Both of those prices are ridiculous.
Also. Did you make sure they were both light truck tires?
This dude is silly..... I love when people think their 33s are 35s😂😂 dude thinks he's debating on 33s vs 35s but he's actually debating 32.7 vs 33.2. Now I get the argument on weight but....homie people that actually off-road, that extra 2ply in the 295 are worth that weight. I've punctured 10 ply tires on the trail. So yes that stuff does matter. 12 plys are going to do much better at lower psi.
It’s only a 6 min video. You should listen to the whole thing. No one is debating 33 vs 35. It’s 295 70 r18 vs 35 and there’s 1/4” difference in height. They’re the same size.
I’ve always felt that info was there I was just too lazy to do the math. Thank you!!!!!!
Just put 275/65/r20 KO3 on my stock ram classic, 34.1 overall, theyre amazing!
I purchased a set of these tires and they SUCK! They made my truck ride like a wagon, they are loud and they will not stay balanced for some reason. I take my truck back into the tire place they balance them it rides OK for a few months and then all of a sudden I get a vibration. I take the truck back in and sure enough they are way out of balance again. I don't even know how that's possible.
Protect this man at all costs
I have the wildpeak at3s now and love them in the wet snow and ice. I’m thinking about trying ko2s next. Which do you prefer? I’m in Northern California in the Sierra Nevadas
KO3’s is the way to go
@@h2o100c you trying to get him killed?
Thats 295 KM3 tire weight can not be correct. Its 70+ not in 50’s. No way
Good Stuff,Great Tips😄👍🏿2016 F250 (stock)
Not just 80 pounds, but 80 pounds of unsprung weight!
We ignored cost and weight and wear, all we cared about was the punctures and cuts resistance of the sidewalls, and how much we could fit. We went with KM3s because the Maxxis Trepador M8060 wouldn't fit, and there was no M/T Baja Boss Powerply XD at the time. BFG had a video out, I wish I could find it now, of the KM3 sidewall over a sharp edge of angle iron, loaded, not even a scratch. That sold us. The tread isn't as aggressive as Firestone's MT2, but everything else is better, no regrets. We have 285/75R16 on a '99 Suburban
Same deal with the Toyo MT's versus their AT111's. I had both. The MT has a really robust sidewall compared to the AT111 even though the weight's not a whole lot different.
@@davidanderson8469k
For road and light of road I believe this guy. BF muddy for off road before switching to bead locks.
bfg 35s are same size as other companies 295s. 34.3"
37’s from military humvee is the way to fly.. bit heavy but come with bead locks.. $200 a wheel! 90-96% tread been using them on my dmax for 2.5 years.. a guy in wi sells just the tires for $100 a piece..
Was looking at tires bigger than 33 but smaller than 35 for my sierra 1500. My dealer gets the best prices on BFG so I went with KO2s. 17 inch rim, they make a 34x10.5 17! I thought I would go for that, when I found they make a 285 75 17, which measures out to about 33.9x11 or so. They were about 75 dollars less per tire, and just like you said they are 80psi rated, not 65. Metric is the way to go!
A higher load range is not always better, at all.
enjoy your harsher ride!
It isn't a ripoff, it's just a production volume thing. They produce many thousands of 295s and a fraction of that number in 35s so naturally the more common size is going to be cheaper. I agree with everything else but the price isn't a scam.
This isn't always true and can vary drastically depending on rim size, load, etc. For instance, a 315/60R20 (34.9x12.4) Geolandar G003 is $170 more per tire than a 35x12.5R20. The 315 is a 125 D load vs a 121 E load, but $170 more for metric. Long story short, everyone should do their research and see what their total options are depending on their size and requirements because there MAY be a cheaper option if certain characteristics (load rating,etc) don't matter to them.
Yeah I’ve responded to someone with a 20. I wasn’t really calling out 20” people in my video. More off-road Overlanding 4wd people. 20” + is confusing because it’s difficult to find both the us and metric sizes for a lot of tires. But yeah in general this is a 15-18” video. I didn’t think it would be getting this many views outside of what I usually do my videos on. Thanks
Crazy part is they don’t make a metric 37x12.5R17
@@NickMango20"+ don't have any reason to be on a truck. They're shit.
You did a good job here and I don’t want to sound critical. My two cents…the height numbers the manufacturer give you from the catalog are not the the same as the “actual mounted height” on the rim in the real world. Thanks subscribed!
Tire Rack website gives mounted data for everything they sell.
You should make another video comparing alot of different tires
I had 35x12.5 and went down to a slightly smaller tire saved 800$ on 4 tires
The 35 I bought back in 2017 they were 505$ can for 1 tire and now the same tire is 560$ Hense why I went to a smaller size saved 50 lb and a pile of money 4 tires ready to mount were 1600$
Tires in Canada are insanely priced
Great info. Have a gladiator with 33's and wanted 35's. It's not so much the money for me as the weight. These things are dogs as it is. Cannot "afford" another 80'lbs of weight. By the time you add lights, bumpers and all the other stuff, these things are like farm tractors.
The weight quoted isn’t right. It may be a little lighter, but like 72lbs instead of 73.
My last work truck was a 2015 F250 diesel. It weighed 9700 lbs with parts and tools loaded. Had 80 PSI Firestone tires on it when I got it. I average driving 150 miles a day to and from work, Had 4 blowouts in 3 years going 75 mph down the highway almost flipping the truck twice. I work in mining, so the truck is subjected to loose rock, ruts and just all around bad conditions. I have never made it to 30,000 miles from Firestone or Michelin in the 80 PSI 10 ply tires.
My tire guy suggested I go with 12 ply's at 60 PSI, that was 3 years ago and those same tires are still on the truck with about 60k miles on them. I recently got a 2023 Ram 2500 that came with 10 ply, 80 PSI tires new. Switched them out at 50 miles to 12 ply. I'll never do 10 ply on a heavy truck again, it's just dangerous TBH.
What psi do you fill your tires to and do you fill both sets to the same psi?
It almost sounds like the dude is filling his tires up to 80psi which is terrifying. @@kraftzion
@@lawsonorsak8380the truck recommends you run 65 psi. You need an 80psi tire to run 65.
@@lawsonorsak8380the tires are rated for 80. To get max load rating you need that much pressure.
You shouldn’t be running them to max psi if it says 80 run 60-65
Big trick tires say 120 and everyone with a brain knows you run 95-105
Max pressure is cold pressure once they heat up you can expect 10-20% higher psi depending on load and ambient temperature
Great video but I think that the extra plies are worth the trade offs if it saves your tires from objects on trail.
Tread depth on metric tires is usually a little less than the non-metric equivalents.
I also found that most all terrain tires have a very limited or no warranty lesson learned after 3 sets of Goodyear wranglers belts breaking for no reason
I discovered this a while ago, but without as many crunched numbers. I run essentially a 34.2, rather than a 35. Saves me (in 2024) nearly $135 a tire.
Can you share the actual size? Thanks!
@@RedBeardDevelopmentshould be like a 275-65x20
I ran the AT3W for one summer wheeling season and had so many sidewall cuts they had to be replaced at only 8k miles. People who don’t actually use their trucks off road seem to love them though 😂
I searched for 35's, but came across this video. All I have to say is wow. I never knew, and thank you. Hopefully BF Goodrich/Firestone hasn't off'd you yet
Not just saving 80 pounds on tire weight also Saving MpGs
I run the 295/70R-18's and love them. I may try 285/75R-18's next though. Narrower and taller then 35's and better fuel economy.
YES! They have us by the Short and Curly's because we don't know the Metric System. Dammit. 🤬🤬🤬
Tire sizes are more of a rough guess than an actual measurement. It varies by manufacture. Cheap inexpensive Chinese tires are much smaller, coopers are generally smaller Goodyear is pretty accurate, and Toyo / nitto are generally larger than listed. It gets noticeable above 31 inches roughly. This is why any tire store and manufacture will tell you not to run different brand tires or even different model tires on four-wheel drive vehicles but especially all wheel drive vehicles. They aren't trying to rip you off they're trying to save your vehicle.
The 295 sizes were popularized within the last decade by nitto/Toyo. As new manufacturers enter that sales market their prices are going to be lower to try to get recognition and compete. As time goes on I'd wager that their prices will normalize.
Fuel economy and power is greatly reflected by a tires rolling resistance. The larger the tire the greater the footprint on the ground the greater the rolling resistance. Yes the weight has an effect but not nearly as much as rolling resistance. I would assume The extra weight my play into brake life more but that could also be because of the angular momentum of both the extra size and weight, but I can't say for certain.
Just move to the west coast and all tires are cheap at the Lanteras shops! I paid under $700 for my set of 35’s
I’m over here trying to get bubba tires 38x15.50x20 😅😅😅
The E load tire at 65 psi will carry as much as a E load tire at 80 psi . You can’t compare the load range of two different tire with two different load ranges. Compare apples to apples. Plus a 315/70r18 is 35.4” tall which is a true 35”. The 295/70r18 is 34.4” tall not a 35”. The load range D, E and F has zero on the mileage a tire gets. It’s referring to the side wall, not the contact surface/ tread that meets the road. The higher content of silica in a tire gives it the mileage. More information can be obtained through TIA and RMA it’s a school about tires .
Looking for the largest 35/ smallest 37 - but light weight
The Nitto Ridge Grapplers are the biggest rip-off ever. I know you wanted to say it but you didn't. :)
The crazy part is that you gotta be smart to be poor.
There is SOOO much more to this conversation that the oversimplified numbers you’re focused on. Bottom line is that the 35’s aren’t for everyone, but you’re wrong if you think they aren’t for anyone.
Right over your head lmfao. Metric and flotation sizes can be exactly the same.
@@NoSmileification Many times the load range will differ as well as the make up of the sidewalls and what they can withstand for abuse. A higher price is usually justified though not always. A lot needs to be taken into account when considering your build.
It's simple listen 5/8mm times the $103 per tire minus the 12 ply dived by the width maybe add 50 buck but the ko2 was was less if you count the psi.
Huh? Big tires are amazing offroad or when going over speed bumps curbs the load rating and speed rating and weight is important they DONT POP as easy and some have kevlar inside, main thing is side to side wall support so it dosnt fly off when offroading, you need to re-gear the differential or you will get very bad gas mileage and damager drive train
Yeah… hummer hmmwv stock runs 37x12.50x16.5- the later year hummers had 17” rims.
Ya see the same thing with 36-37-40” jumps.
I wish there was a law about advertising exact size but instead it’s like wood- 2x4 isn’t a 2x4.
The facts matter. 33" 35" = no milage warranty. 285/70R17 =33 can have up to 65k milage warranty same for 315/70R17 =35 can have milage warranty but not always and brand matters as does load range.
I will never understand how anyone would run the BF Goodrich KO2 AT tire. Its tread plugs up in just about any situation other then some gravel roads and dry pavement. Worst tire I've ever had, and they last FOREVER (Which would be a Great thing if they were any Good) Worst offroad tire ever Made.
Load of crap. Mine are 295/65/20 (35.1 x 11.6) Mickey T's and I paid roughly the same as 35×12s. I think your tire dealer fucked up.
2:58 Yeah they measure 33 and a 1/2 34 and a 1/2 sometimes if you're lucky those Falcon wild pigs are a great tire though I have them I have installed them on tons of my customer's car with highly recommend them bat or toyo open countries BF Goodrich K02 is Absolute garbage tire not even on the list of comparison Is Falcon wild peak is the best wet traction tire there is on the market Toyo is very comparable But almost twice as much money And I don't think they have the same wet traction but they are a little better in the dirt and mud. 18 inch wheels always have more expensive tires. 17 Are the ticket if they'll fit around your Breaks Always better to have the most common size tire also because not every tire shop in the middle of nowhere will have a tire for an 18 inch wheel. I'm telling you this as a mechanic that a specialized and 4 wheel drive pick up trucks for 25 years. Old school BF good wrench tires used to be good. I never thought they were great the old generation ATB FG tire lasted like 15 years because they were turned rock hard and never wear out. But they also never did anything very well. K02 is the modern version of that tire. I've had them on my personal truck they were garbage. Do you want a altering tire by Falcon's Toyo or Michelin's.
Doesn't really apply to old school 15" rims. It's hard, if not impossible, to find anything metric the size of a 35" tire. Heck I couldn't even find one for a 33" tire.
Thanks for this video bud! You are absolutely right! I was going to buy the Falken RT01 35x12.50r22 for $579 each. I researched and found the 325/50r22 for $413 each! That's like $700 savings in the set of four! Thanks again Nick!!!
The 12 ply might hold up better off road (like not improved dirt road). For my needs... I doing the Metric size and still gonna bitch because it cost to much! Never understood that. My last set of tires I bought stock take off ATs with newer rims for only 150 more than it cost for a full set of tires and sold my stock rims that came with my truck for 350 dollars. Updated to a look I wanted ended up running out a new set of tires. Looking at some. I had some wild peaks and they didn't wear nice for me. I got under the mileage rating before they were done they were also loud a heck! I went with some other tires next time. This is will be the 6th set on this truck. For my last truck I ended up getting non metric tires because they were roughly the same size and cheaper! Interesting turn around.
My only thing, 33x9.5R15 doesn't exist in metric lol 241/95R15 🤣And Kenda Klever R/T's aren't too expensive
285/75/18 are stock tremor tires and also I believe power wagons. that is a 34.7X11.5 tire. Goodyear duratrac all day long.
Yeah they measure 33 and a 1/2 34 and a 1/2 sometimes if you're lucky those Falcon wild pigs are a great tire though I have them I have installed them on tons of my customer's car with highly recommend them bat or toyo open countries BF Goodrich K02 is not even on the list of comparisons I can while peak is the best what traction tire there is on the market Toyota is very comparable But almost twice as much money And I don't think they have the same wet traction but they are a little better in the dirt and mud.
You really need to understand a few things: a mud terrain is made for off-road. You don’t run full air pressure off-road. The tread is not only different in an offroad tire, but how flexible that tire is when aired down is different too. As is how tough the tire is in a ‘resistant to punctures, pinch flats, and how low of psi you can achieve before it comes off the bead’ sense. All are important if you are looking to *offroad* you can’t come at this from a strictly road dude approach and pretend you’re presenting facts my guy. Your cheaper tire isn’t cheaper if you’re replacing it all the time because you shredded it on a trail and also ripped another off the rim and now have to walk out and pay a lot of money to have a recovery guy come in and haul you out.
Well, i only run 35x12.50r18LT tires, so is what it is they spin the same especially behind a built 5.3L
Dude, I don't even need to complete the video to know where this is going. If your car requires E rated tires, then Stick with sizes that are E rated... This isn't rocket surgery.
I have been running 32s for 20 years. I'm not an extreme rock crawler... trails and woods 32s never let me down. Seems to be the perfect size for what I do.
You could go one better and get 33 inch "pizza cutters" like I did. 255/80/17. Skinny but tall. They are light and roll excellent, and perform well off road.
Wow awesome video bro you just saved me big bucks...thank you
Bad explanation and difficult to follow. Instead of explaining the dimensions of the tire he just points and says "this one". What is he even talking about?
COOPER STMAXX 35X12.5X20 ran on 95 F250 7.3 4X4. Excellent in wet and snow.
the wild peaks wear out much quicker than the BF Goodrich
Someone spent far to long trying to parse this out, meanwhile I'm running 37" km3's on our manual gladiator.
Tires for trucks are too expensive,all you’re paying for is a little bit of tread and once that’s worn out,you’re left with the useless tire carcass that cost most of the money.
My guess is it comes down to production numbers, and sales. The tire manufacturer sells many more of the metric than the inch tire. Therefore its gonna be cheaper
ASE certified mechanic that worked at a tire shop for many years and I can say this is some great info. Only thing not mentioned is you also GAIN off road traction from a skinny tire so if your rig is more than a mall crawler there is no reason to buy high flotation tires! Great video!
Yes! Wish more 255x100r16s were out there
I love this point, but I’m hoping you can clarify it a little more. It’s to my understanding that “skinny’s” are better in dry and shallow mud/water/snow because they provide a higher pressure per inch to the ground, and they also cut down into the mud/water/snow more and get you to the hard dirt/asphalt so you get better traction. I did however, hear that in really deep mud and snow you actually want the floaters so you don’t sink and belly out. Any say on this? Obviously there is no “1 tire is best in every situation” but I’m curious about this. I’ve also watched videos comparing “footprints” of skinny vs wide tires and while every brand will be different, the skinny’s actually gave a larger footprint and wrapped over items better.
skinny tires are great if you want deep ruts and you don't have very soft ground like we do in Louisiana. I"m a land owner (wooded tracts for hunting, pond and creek fishing and timber production" we do not allow skinny tires on any of our properties. They dig huge deep ruts and make bad spots become impassable or winch spots. 35" inch wide tires work best, I've seen it first hand. I have driven around skinny tired vehicles with my "floaters" as you say, they dig adn sink too deep and vehicles bottom out, at least on my place. 35" wide tries help keep you from sinking in what we call Gumbo mud.
Tires are not one size fits all, it depends on where you drive.
@@michaelcope23292" deep Powder sand where I'm at. Near Galveston.
Not all off-road is the same. Don't bother with skinny tires less than 54" in south Florida
The tries on the ground, that’s a savings of 60+ lbs of UNSPRUNG weight!
295 is not 35” you need to go to 315.
315/70-18 vs 35/12.5-18
Diameter inches (mm) 35.36 (898.2) vs 35.03 (889.68)
Width inches (mm) 12.4 (315) vs 12.52 (318)
Circum. inches (mm) 111.09 (2821.78) vs 110.04 (2795.01)
Sidewall Height inches (mm) 8.68 (220.5) vs 8.51 (216.24)
Did you watch the video? It’s only 6 minutes long. I read off the actual size of the tires. A 295 70 r18 is equivalent to a 35. A 315 is bigger.
I live in FL, I have these Falken Wildpeak AT3s in 33" on a F150 SC. They also work great in mud, sand as well as wet or dry interstate. First set I've ever owned & at 49 years old, the best set of ATs I've ever owned & will not buy any other brand since owning these. I've got over 40k miles on mine and they still look new. Best tire on the market imo
33" tall tires all you need; some guys just have to make up for shortcomings! ;)
He absolutely right… I’ve been selling metric equivalents to Jeep owners for years
My truck stock 18" wheels. Switched to 17" wheels and the tires are half as much.
Hey I’m in total agreement with you on this. I rather have metric size which can be taller than a standard size. Your better with a narrower tire. I’ve had large mud tires on numerous trucks but years back I switched to metric. Excellent video
Yup a 295 was actually taller than my 35”
In general I agree. I like the 285/75r18 size personally. Actual diameters of these 285s is larger than the actual diameters of “35” inch tires. Same with your 295s.
Way too much time on your hands, wife needs to make your hunny-do-list a little longer...
I always buy the 315\80\16 save 700 dollars it's 34.7" so f it
Thanks nick. I live in upstate NY and appreciate this video. Subscribed
The site says 295 70 18 km3 weights 73 lbs sorry but wrong info u got there
Very pleased with my 35” KO2 tires. Mud to snow they are fantastic
The 35 is not meant to be a heavy load tire, it’s got a heavy sidewall to drop pressure real low and conform to the terrain where as the 295 is meant for flat ground and maybe a yard, not big rocks and rough terrain. You only show one part of the situation but not the main point of the 35. The point is you don’t buy 35s to haul things which is pretty much common sense, you buy them to do the serious off-roading and I’m not talking about getting unstuck from a ditch
I have wheeled the absolute hell out of a 285 size tire through rock and all and never had an issue.
What are you talking about. Both tires are offered in different load ratings.
Yup. Been running small tires for 20 years.
Brilliant I say, 295s for the better value on my F150.
My new-to-me RAM 3500 came with 35" tires. When it comes time to replace them, I'll go with 295s. Thank you for illuminating this subject! 🙏🏻
Just keep the middle number in mind, because that’ll be what dictates how tall your tire is
For tires like the Maxxis RAZR M/T the 315/75 R16 is 34.8" tall and 12.8" wide if you have 16" rims. The 295 is the width in "mm". The middle number is the height of the sidewall in "mm" essentially. It ALL depends on what size rim youre running.
Look at the 305. They'll keep your door handles clean.
@@jeremiahfiek5495 The second number is a percentage of the first number, not millimeters directly. Like a 295/70R17 for instance. The 70 means that the sidewall height is 70% of the 295mm. So you have 295 x .7 = 206.5mm for the sidewall height.
@@mmaaddict78 you're right. I knew it was percentage... i dont know why i said it was "mm". Idiot i guess
what the f**k r u talkin about i think 35s r the best tire size for your truck/jeep
I get 35x12.50s that are 12 ply for less then $1050 to my door.
It's a tax for not using logical measurements. Use metric FFS!
Tire prices have been insane since covid started. A 35 now costs as much as a 40 did just 4 years ago.
I need to do a follow up video on new prices. I agree they’re crazy.
Look at the price on some big Swampers. And pay excise tax on them too.
Thank you for pointing this out! I noticed this phenomenon a while back when comparing tire sizes for a potential prerunner build on my '94 Silverado. Nearly all offroad tires that were sized in inches were more expensive than their metric sized counterparts, and to varying degrees depending on rim size and width. It's definitely a scam to squeeze more money out of off road guys used to buying tires by the size in inches.
Anyone else notice all the “Im telling you/im telling you right now”…?
I run m/t coopers sst on my Tacoma 35s and love them; worth the money to me.
That weight is wrong. The 32s weigh 58 lbs, no way do the 35s weigh less.
Buy them used, run them all the way down, no balance needed, really! ;)
I run 33" ko2. Each tire costs me about $450
As an Australian this is the one time ill say the metric system is stupid i always go imperial tyres
K02 didn’t last for crap on my f150 Nitto Ridge Grappler on my second set 35/12.50/16 lasting over 50k miles last set this set as well will run past that