But that's it though, there is no evidence of how she reacted to the hole affair, there are speculations, and Lin used the gap in history to give his take, or rather what he imagined or wanted Eliza to react, and did so very beautifully. If you think that in this version Eliza is angry, you should check out "First Burn" which is the first draft of this song and it's very good
i wouldn't say deeper emotions i would say that first burn has a deep sense of anger and resentment and this has a stronger sense of sadness and like "how could you lie to me"
I think First Burn is amazing but I wouldn't say one has more emotion than the other. Both versions display different emotions and responses to finding out what Alexander did. First Burn is a more angerier/hateful response to what Alexander did. Burn on the other hand shows a sense of utter betrayal and just complete sadness to finding out about the affair. She still displays some anger in a few lines but not as intense as First Burn since she's just betrayed and processing all of it. To me, Burn seems more fitting for Eliza's 'sweet and gentle' personality and the feeling of just heartbreak and sadness only pushes forth that Alexander really pushed away having the best and sweetest wife. I personally feel more drawn towards the sadness and betrayal Eliza feels in Burn as she recounts her happy times with Alexander and looks back on their letters rather than the anger and hatred in First Burn
First Burn has some excellent lyrics that don’t appear in Burn, but I personally prefer Burn. I’ve seen so many people say that Eliza is “stronger” in First Burn, but I don’t think a reaction that has more anger makes her character stronger.
@@poofybird4258 to be honest both burn versions can be seen as accurate.... especially since she is literally confronting Alexander in first burn, while in burn she is by herself - hence it makes a lot of sense why her tone and demeanour change. she still reflect the same sentiment and uses lines she used in burn like you would in an argument when you have a strong conviction towards something. since i can see these two sides in myself i am not surprised to see them in Eliza. they had to cut some excellent songs in general due to time management concerns, otherwise we maybe even would have been able to see these two sides (the anger and disappointment) of her in the musical itself.
The fact that he aired the dirty laundry would have been more angering than having mistresses. Especially for an upper class woman of that time. Especially married to a man in the top echelons of society. John Adam's was the exception not the rule. Not at all justifying it, just providing context. Women were raised to ignore dalliances with other ladies while giving no sign of dalliances on their part most of the time. There are some periods of time where both his and and wife took lovers, once the children were born. It would have been paramount that her kids would be fathered by her husband, so she was espected to be totally faithful during the early years while having children. Many times though she did not have this opportunity, and instead was supposed to stay faithful for a lifetime, while her husband had affairs. He was supposed to be discreet and not rub her face in it though. And definitely wasn't supposed to talk about it so brazenly and publicly in mixed company as Hamiltom did with the Reynolds Pamphle
They said the she was reacted was (well it really didn’t say)but she did not believe but a newspaper said she had to be a wicked woman to have such a wicked husband and it hurt her😢
I am so glad you reacted to this one because not a whole lot of people react to this animatic They always react to the animatic by this other person who I forget the name of but nobody really pays attention to Galactibun's animatics
The only reason why I came here because one of the lyrics said let future historians wonder how Eliza reacted when you broke her heart and you are a future historian
one of the letters he wrote is in my copy and paste for some reason so I’ll paste it right now I have told you, and I told you truly that I love you too much. You engross my thoughts too intirely to allow me to think of any thing else-you not only employ my mind all day; but you intrude upon my sleep. I meet you in every dream-and when I wake I cannot close my eyes again for ruminating on your sweetness. ‘Tis a pretty story indeed that I am to be thus monopolized, by a little nut-brown maid like you-and from a statesman and a soldier metamorphosed into a puny lover. I believe in my soul you are an inchantress; but I have tried in vain, if not to break, at least, to weaken the charm-you maintain your empire in spite of all my efforts-and after every new one, I make to withdraw myself from my allegiance my partial heart still returns and clings to you with increased attachment. To drop figure my lovely girl you become dearer to me every moment. I am more and more unhappy and impatient under the hard necessity that keeps me from you, and yet the prospect lengthens as I advance. … I had hoped the middle would have given us to each other; but I now fear it will be the latter end. Though the period of our reunion in reality approaches it seems further off. Among other causes of uneasiness, I dread lest you should imagine, I yield too easily to the barrs that keep us asunder; but if you have such an idea you ought to banish it and reproach yourself with injustice. A spirit entering into bliss, heaven opening upon all its faculties, cannot long more ardently for the enjoyment, than I do my darling Betsey, to taste the heaven that awaits me in your bosom. Is my language too strong? It is a feeble picture of my feelings-no words can tell you how much I love and how much I long-you will only know it when wrapt in each others arms we give and take those delicious caresses which love inspires and marriage sanctifies. … I ought at least to hear from you by every post and your last letter is as old as the middle of Sept. … You will laugh at me for consulting you about such a trifle; but I want to know, whether you would prefer my receiving the nuptial benediction in my uniform or in a different habit. It will be just as you please; so consult your whim and what you think most consistent with propriety. If you mean to follow our plan of being secretly married, the scruple ought to appear entirely your own, and you should begin to give hints of it. … I am composing a piece, of which … I shall endeavour to prevail upon her to act the principal character. The title is “the way to get him, for the benefit of all single ladies who desire to be married.” You will ask her, if she has any objection to taking a part in this piece, and tell her that, if am not much mistaken in her, I am sure she will have none. For your own part, your business now is to study “the way to keep him”-which is said to be much the most difficult task of the two; though in your case I verily believe it will be an easy one, and that to succeed effectually you will only have to wish it sincerely. May I only be as successful in pleasing you, and may you be as happy as I shall ever wish to make you. A Hamilton
Honestly all I have to say to eliza is that I get it. I can only imagine his other letters and the sheer amount of how many he gave her. I think any women would fall when confronted by letters like these, I don’t know though I am a hopeless romantic so it might just be me.
But that's it though, there is no evidence of how she reacted to the hole affair, there are speculations, and Lin used the gap in history to give his take, or rather what he imagined or wanted Eliza to react, and did so very beautifully. If you think that in this version Eliza is angry, you should check out "First Burn" which is the first draft of this song and it's very good
The Icarus line came from a letter from Angelica to Eliza. Chernow discussed it in an interview held at the National Archives
Alexander was definitely an Icarus, man there isn't a better word to describe him
I really want him to react to "First Burn" it has so much more emotion to it; not that this version isnt emotional but it has deeper emotions to it.
i wouldn't say deeper emotions i would say that first burn has a deep sense of anger and resentment and this has a stronger sense of sadness and like "how could you lie to me"
I think First Burn is amazing but I wouldn't say one has more emotion than the other. Both versions display different emotions and responses to finding out what Alexander did. First Burn is a more angerier/hateful response to what Alexander did. Burn on the other hand shows a sense of utter betrayal and just complete sadness to finding out about the affair. She still displays some anger in a few lines but not as intense as First Burn since she's just betrayed and processing all of it.
To me, Burn seems more fitting for Eliza's 'sweet and gentle' personality and the feeling of just heartbreak and sadness only pushes forth that Alexander really pushed away having the best and sweetest wife.
I personally feel more drawn towards the sadness and betrayal Eliza feels in Burn as she recounts her happy times with Alexander and looks back on their letters rather than the anger and hatred in First Burn
First Burn has some excellent lyrics that don’t appear in Burn, but I personally prefer Burn. I’ve seen so many people say that Eliza is “stronger” in First Burn, but I don’t think a reaction that has more anger makes her character stronger.
@@poofybird4258 to be honest both burn versions can be seen as accurate.... especially since she is literally confronting Alexander in first burn, while in burn she is by herself - hence it makes a lot of sense why her tone and demeanour change. she still reflect the same sentiment and uses lines she used in burn like you would in an argument when you have a strong conviction towards something. since i can see these two sides in myself i am not surprised to see them in Eliza. they had to cut some excellent songs in general due to time management concerns, otherwise we maybe even would have been able to see these two sides (the anger and disappointment) of her in the musical itself.
The fact that he aired the dirty laundry would have been more angering than having mistresses. Especially for an upper class woman of that time. Especially married to a man in the top echelons of society. John Adam's was the exception not the rule. Not at all justifying it, just providing context. Women were raised to ignore dalliances with other ladies while giving no sign of dalliances on their part most of the time.
There are some periods of time where both his and and wife took lovers, once the children were born. It would have been paramount that her kids would be fathered by her husband, so she was espected to be totally faithful during the early years while having children. Many times though she did not have this opportunity, and instead was supposed to stay faithful for a lifetime, while her husband had affairs. He was supposed to be discreet and not rub her face in it though. And definitely wasn't supposed to talk about it so brazenly and publicly in mixed company as Hamiltom did with the Reynolds Pamphle
Hooray, the future historian has wondered how Eliza reacted when (or "if", as I have learned now) Alexander broke her heart :)
When you didn't watch the musical but still understand everything because you study history: **big brain**
it’s so interesting to see such a historical perspective on such a character driven song
Eliza lived her marriage as a Roman wife and an American wife, according to her biography. She was an amazing woman
They said the she was reacted was (well it really didn’t say)but she did not believe but a newspaper said she had to be a wicked woman to have such a wicked husband and it hurt her😢
Please react to first burn. It has some really good lines that were cut from the final version.
I am so glad you reacted to this one because not a whole lot of people react to this animatic
They always react to the animatic by this other person who I forget the name of but nobody really pays attention to Galactibun's animatics
By far one of my favorite songs from the musical! It’s just so raw! So emotional!!!
Okay, I'm officially asking the Hamilton fandom to write a fan song in which Eliza fakes a smile and pretends it's fine. Please. I need it.
Thank you, I always enjoy your historical perspective... and I enjoy your cute little birdie too!
I mean, what women {or rather what person} would not be pissed after getting cheated on?
If you used them
The only reason why I came here because one of the lyrics said let future historians wonder how Eliza reacted when you broke her heart and you are a future historian
one of the letters he wrote is in my copy and paste for some reason so I’ll paste it right now
I have told you, and I told you truly that I love you too much. You engross my thoughts too intirely to allow me to think of any thing else-you not only employ my mind all day; but you intrude upon my sleep. I meet you in every dream-and when I wake I cannot close my eyes again for ruminating on your sweetness. ‘Tis a pretty story indeed that I am to be thus monopolized, by a little nut-brown maid like you-and from a statesman and a soldier metamorphosed into a puny lover. I believe in my soul you are an inchantress; but I have tried in vain, if not to break, at least, to weaken the charm-you maintain your empire in spite of all my efforts-and after every new one, I make to withdraw myself from my allegiance my partial heart still returns and clings to you with increased attachment. To drop figure my lovely girl you become dearer to me every moment. I am more and more unhappy and impatient under the hard necessity that keeps me from you, and yet the prospect lengthens as I advance. …
I had hoped the middle would have given us to each other; but I now fear it will be the latter end. Though the period of our reunion in reality approaches it seems further off. Among other causes of uneasiness, I dread lest you should imagine, I yield too easily to the barrs that keep us asunder; but if you have such an idea you ought to banish it and reproach yourself with injustice. A spirit entering into bliss, heaven opening upon all its faculties, cannot long more ardently for the enjoyment, than I do my darling Betsey, to taste the heaven that awaits me in your bosom. Is my language too strong? It is a feeble picture of my feelings-no words can tell you how much I love and how much I long-you will only know it when wrapt in each others arms we give and take those delicious caresses which love inspires and marriage sanctifies. …
I ought at least to hear from you by every post and your last letter is as old as the middle of Sept. … You will laugh at me for consulting you about such a trifle; but I want to know, whether you would prefer my receiving the nuptial benediction in my uniform or in a different habit. It will be just as you please; so consult your whim and what you think most consistent with propriety. If you mean to follow our plan of being secretly married, the scruple ought to appear entirely your own, and you should begin to give hints of it. …
I am composing a piece, of which … I shall endeavour to prevail upon her to act the principal character. The title is “the way to get him, for the benefit of all single ladies who desire to be married.” You will ask her, if she has any objection to taking a part in this piece, and tell her that, if am not much mistaken in her, I am sure she will have none. For your own part, your business now is to study “the way to keep him”-which is said to be much the most difficult task of the two; though in your case I verily believe it will be an easy one, and that to succeed effectually you will only have to wish it sincerely. May I only be as successful in pleasing you, and may you be as happy as I shall ever wish to make you.
A Hamilton
Honestly all I have to say to eliza is that I get it. I can only imagine his other letters and the sheer amount of how many he gave her. I think any women would fall when confronted by letters like these, I don’t know though I am a hopeless romantic so it might just be me.
I came as soon as I heard
Oh you should definitely listen to first burn
Lin's character descriptions say Eliza should read as a mix of Elphaba and Alicia Keys in her vocals/songs and it definitely shows here!
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Can you listen to First Burn, it was the version of Burn that was scraped from the musical
Hey man if you're interested you should check out the Julius Caesar series by Historia Civilis.