BMW i4 M50 summer range test
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05:25 This is a BMW E21 / 3er - used to be my first car ;-)
My first car also 👍🏻👍🏻
The difference was mainly caused by the tire difference of 18“ vs 19“. According to the US EPA the e40 gets 282miles and the M50 gets 270miles if both are on 19“ tires. If the e40 has 18“ it has a range of 301miles explaining the difference you observed. I am glad BMW gave you a car on 19“ which seem more relevant to most people compared to the 20“ tires the press cars usually have.
E21 3 series BMW (1975 to 1983) at 5:30 - very cool car, I had one a couple of years ago!
Used to have a 320. Loved the 2,0 i line 6. Was of course dreaming about a 323i....
5:25 E21 Was my first car. Bought it 1988.
Maybe because I'm Canadian, but the BMW Beaver is growing on me.
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Hi Björn. Thanks for the video. I have the M50 and I think, not sure why, that the car is more efficient when not in B mode on highways. B mode for towns, otherwise no B mode. Also, Eco mode will add some efficiency. Would be interesting to see you evaluate this.
Anyways, keep up the good work!
Hello Bjorn, long time fan who just got EQE 350+, 19inch wheels. Would love to see you do the 1000km challenge with it. I just did 1100 road trip last weekend and with 120km/h averaging around 17.5. Excellent car but please put it to your test.
Those wheels take out 10% of range and the M50 is 200kg heavier than the e40. That's where the difference in range comes from. BMW also offers 19-inch aero wheels but even they don't look as slippery as the 18-inch aeros.
Love that he says “Beämve” on Norwegian and not “BMW” on English 😂👌🏻
Please keep these videos coming
Try the IX3 on Sunday drive.
This guy is a legend, doing useful work 👍
What are you talking about with efficiency of Tesla rwd vs awd? Standard range (also 200kg lighter & rwd comparable to e40 vs M50) is much more efficient than the awd performance. Even the LR. The difference is even bigger compared to the performance model than with BMW.
RWD 100% better than FWD
Absolutely. I actually prefer it to AWD.
Disagree. Done 100's of k's in northern Canadian winters. Lots of summer driving of GTO, Firebird, big Ford V8, Japanese, etc. on deserted highways at night. FWD is better.
@@lengould9262 but thats whit ice cars whit most of the weight in the front. Big difference to 50/50
@@flopi3725 but then with a car where the brakes won’t overheat in 3 minutes?
@@flopi3725 Lets hope they are☺️
Likely do with gearing and final drive - the eDrive40 is not as gear aggressively as the M50 which likely has a shorter final drive which helps acceleration but this means the motors run faster at highway speeds = increased consumption. I suspect most buyers of the i4 M50 wouldn't be hypermiling their cars anyhow.
What 'final drive' are you talking about? There's one fixed gear ratio per motor.
BMW is unsing slip ring contracts for it's separately excited DC motors. The motors are the same at the front and the rear beside size. I think thats the reason why the M50 is more thirstier.
I love that color.
If you still have the car, can you make a test of its performance? With launch control?
Brilliant comparison very useful. I can see also the effect of the cold temps on the range, around 25% reduction which is interesting.
Although the M50 looks similar to the 40 I wonder whether aerodynamically it is different, providing more cooling for example, to manage the phenomenal power output. Additionally of course the weight is up, but then for 200Kg extra I wouldn’t expect such a big difference.
No. But the car is somewhat heavier, the aero is slightly worse for more cooling, the wheels are slightly worse, all this adds up quite a bit. Also, I'm wondering how much the ECO PRO mode would help. Maybe it runs on a single motor then?
This once again shows why you should always get the performance models with AWD, if you can afford it.
While RWD models go slightly further per charge, you have more fun in the performance models.
AWD also gives way better accelleration and safer driving on wet or icy roads.
If you can go slightly further with RWD I would also counter this: regen will be better on AWD, especially in winter! And you might also save on tire wear, as you can regen on both axles!
The few extra kilometers in the RWD models do just mean some few extra minutes at the charger :-) But you will have more smiles with performance models!
Since you were just cruising, you should have put it in eco pro mode. If the indicated range goes up, then it will be more efficient to stay in that mode. Comfort mode is just that. Maintaining climate control, etc...in the most comfortable mode without regard to range /efficiency. You will generally not notice any degradation by going into eco pro mode anyways when doing a range test.
The M-Sport package is for non-M cars. Both M-Number (M50) and pure M cars (M3, M4) don't have an M-Sport package option, they are always "M styled". I.e. that's only an option for the eDrive 40, not the M50.
There is the performance upgrade for the m50, forcing these wheels on you though
@@egil-andrenessmortensen3037 No, that's not the M Sport package, which is about styling. That's the M technology pack, which is about having bigger breaks basically, that's why bigger wheels are needed as well.
@@eddiehaug yes i underetand. ☺️I was just wondering if Bjørn was refering to the the tech package 🤔
Not sure if M-sport means anything for BMW EVs. Just a premium, some paintwork differences and wheels which make the ride and range worse.
Ancient model e21
I think the motors in this new bmw lineup is a type of synchronous ac motors, with external excitation. This simply means that instead of permanent magnets you have electromagnets in the rotor, similar to reno zoe.
Efficiency wise they should be somewhere inbetween induction and pm ac motors. They should allow completely freewheeled operation when not powered, similar to induction motors.
They are using a brushed design without rare earth magnets on the i4&ix line's. Quite interesting actually. I'll be curious to see how they wear over time. 🤔
@@4literv6 do you get a little bag with graphite brushs with the car to replace them, like on cheap power tools? 🤣
@@4literv6 yeah that also my question: Is there a part which is a typical wear part which has to be replaced after 200.000 km. There must be a kind of electrical connection to the rotor.
Too bad Sandy Monroe haven’t discussed about the e Motor of BMW
yet
Motortrend did a "mini dive" on this and BMW says they've designed a special sealed enclosure for the brushes and commutator to minimize dust contamination and offer some degree of longevity (we'll see how that goes). the upside being higher power, better heat management, and no reliance on China as a source for Rare Earth elements. for the record Motortrend was discussing the drive unit in the iX SUV (with no mention of the sedan) but the same tech is likely what's in the i4.
To clarify, the excitation power to the rotor is not supplied by the commutator, but by using the two slip rings, which have smooth surface. This means that the rate od wear of the brushes should be drastically lower compared to brushed dc motors. I would not be suprised if they last throughout the life of the vehicle.
This external excitation does mean you need a separate inverter and controller for the rotor field, although of much lower power compared to the main inverter.
1000km challenge Bjorn? Interested to see how the m50 compares in summer.
Interesting, also wonder why.. maybe BMW is using the same type of synchronous electric motor also in the front - unlike Tesla with an induction motor in front that has(reportedly) no resistance when only rear motor is engaged at cruising speed
Bjorn, we coming over to Norway today for an 18 day tour with half land and half ferry/cargo ship up the coast and ending in Helsinki. We will be at the Thon hotel for 4 nights. Will it be short sleeve wether?
That door closing sound @ 2:14 tho
For everyday driving I charge my e40 only to 80%. However BMW app also allows one to limit Amps. Is there an optimum amps to charge the battery? I currently (no pun intended) charge at max 32A. Btw BMW local dealer hasn’t a clue - didn’t even recommend only charging to 80%.
Also at this time of the year can one see the Northern Light s from North Cape?
The front and the rear motor are synchronized to each other by the wheels and the road. The engine control must synchronize both motors as well. If the motors are not in synch, some energy gets lost because each motor works against the other. Additionally the wheels will wear out faster.
pretty hard to do and a bad design.
The M50 can "turn off" the front motor but because it is still physically connected, it's still adding rotating mass even if it isn't causing drag because it is off. That's probabably the major source of thirstiness. Also the trunk lip spoiler is usually not there ln the eDrive40 so that can make a small non-zero difference.
Do the eqb250 range test!!!
the M50 might have 70km less range… but it makes it up in fun and driving, is a completely different car than the edrive 40
E40 is fun too. More than powerful enough and better handling. M50 only needed if one lives in an area suffering snow an ice through the winter
For everyday driving I charge my e40 only to 80%. However BMW app also allows one to limit Amps. Is there an optimum amps to charge the battery? I currently (no pun intended) charge at max 32A. Btw BMW local dealer hasn’t a clue - didn’t even recommend only charging to 80%.
@@oldbasted the limit of charging current is to avoid the fuse to switch off, e.g. you only have a 10A breaker, you can limit in the car not to charge with more then 10A.
AC charging is like slow charging anyway. I wouldn't worry about AC to damage the battery.
Btw: I charge my i4 to only 80% too.
@@hashtag_fu Good point. This car is brilliant to drive and e40 is really quick enough for a daily drive. The only disappointment is the lack of feel through the steering wheel however one minute it's effortless to drive in comfort and then a fast B-road missile the next. Brilliant. I'm having way too much fun...I reckon rear tyres won't last 10,000 miles!
1:17
Narrator : it was not carbon fibre 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
(kW)h^2 lol is that an integral for kWh acceleration?
Yes, legacy auto makers have the nice feature that each button and each LCD touch must ask the software for permission to do anything, and of course the kWh per hour, each or, each day, each year, lots of hours thing. But the car looks great even though I think it will not make your tail lift in the air unless you are a beaver. And if I would have got one I would have gone for the rear wheel drive versions.
Edit: Ohhh, sheeet, BMW programmers have learned ! 155Wh/km ! They finally managed to throw the 100 fossile km in the garbage, nicely done !
Given regenerating duering breaking how can RWD be better than FWD? There is no way tge same regeneration levels can be achived.
Why does the car have two renders of itself inside itself? The classic off unless something is wrong abstract from above looks so much better.
The car is awsome. I had to chance to test drive it recently in Munich. The only problem is, that due to supply chain issues, the waiting times are very long. For the i4 m50, 15 months + the dealer said.
As a consequence more people switch to Tesla, since Tesla can deliver within 3-6 months.
If you order in Munich, you'll get your i4 in Q1 of 2023.
@@latlak Probably at BMW directly and the i4 m40. The i4 m50 seems to be more popular.
@@marcelbeaucamp9330 They are produced in the same production line, I don't think there is a difference between motorisations. And in the EU, you can buy wherever you want. :D
@@latlak There is a difference. The m50 is an all wheel drive car and the m40 is not… and most likely more i4 m40s will be producted, than i4 m50s.
They don’t offer RDW M50 in the US . :(
Can you redo the 2022 model 3 standard but in summer ?
Putting in front area weight and CW the BMW I4 M50 should use 10-12% more than M3 performance.
Your measurements indicates 5% difference. Even BMW have 245 tyres? Who has the most efficient drivetrain? BMW is doing 10% more work with 5% more energy
My guess its mostly awd all the time maiking it unnecessary innefiecient unlike tesla which is mainly rwd until you floor the pedal or the tires start to slip.
should have done it in eco pro too…
Would love to see the EV6 GT test! Although I'm scared it will be better than a model 3 performance! HUUHHHH!?? WHAT THE HECK??!
ALSO you need to make a video of which is your favourite EV to date. I need to know that the model 3 performance is still the KING. Do u like that shit?
Model 3 Performance, EQS and i4 M50
@@bjornnyland the man replies! 😁 I have a model 3 performance on order, second would be i4 m50. Amazing looking and performing car (thanks to your videos)
Regards from Australia. Come to Aus in 2023 and drive my black M3P!
You just randomly chose Comfort mode, which is far less economical than eco pro, so you've kind of messed up your test before you even set off. I commute to work every week during peak hour, 200km each way and I get 185-195 Wh/km. That's on 19 inch wheels and generally driving like I couldn't care less about range. That equates to well over 400km on a full charge.
The previous owner of my RWD MS told me that it’s drives better than his new AWD MS.
Of course RWD drives better. AWD is for speed & traction, RWD will always feel better.
I do wish the i4 M50 was available with the 18” wheels. I’d rather have better ride quality, lighter wheels (less unsprung mass), higher efficiency and cheaper tires.
I have M50 and 18" wheels.
@@castroorstad8215 in the US you can’t get 18s. Smallest size option is 19” wheels unfortunately.
Comparing lr and m3p -. They Are Both awd 😞
And the only RWD TM3 has a smaller battery(less weight), so I wouldn’t say that TM3 RWD is as efficient as TM3 AWD, although the later is effectively a RWD when driving at a low and constant speed.
@@e-redj the model 3 spends less kW pr km,no? ☺️
Wrong wheels 😞 these steals. Not fair to compare to edrive then. - i was refering to the configurator , the range drops when choosing the performance package and these wheels Are forced to you as a bare minimum. However i see the tires very similar except being one inch bigger, so maybe they dont steal that Much compared to the edrive test.
It must use more the m50 has two motors the edrive has one
LaM lag 😁
There are not any CV joints in a RWD car. Replacing CV joints is typically an expensive maintenance item.
the color of the car is insanly pretty. if only they didnt mess up the front design so badly.
BMW just uses a brushed electric motor. That really is not a new invention from BMW. The achievement of BMW is just the application in a modern EV.
Tesla for the win as usual.. no difference between 2 and 4 wheel drive.. why would you buy anything else.
I think non beavers look ancient. Sorry 😅
BMW Gods want it to be RWD.
Who does like this mode stuff? It's for me the most annoying thing in cars. I don't want to switch modes while driving. Such a stupid repetitive task every drive, robs me any fun. The car should work in any condition good, but it seems I'm alone with my opinion...
Tesla m3p works better and does not even have launch mode 😅
@@egil-andrenessmortensen3037 that's why I switched to Tesla. No stupid repetetive button smashing and paycardwaving...
For cold weather ev should get a choke-lever to turn on battery heating.
Pro tip: set it to sport boost and leave it there.
@@bjornnyland still needs launch mode, and as you know cant compare launches to m3p 😅 and if you should have any Hope of doing well in the 1000 km you probably should go back to eco pro 😅
@@davids.6671 I think where the m50 excels is being Both comfortable and somewhat drivers car. Maybe you need the modes for that 🤔 having Said that i am one of those guys that think m3p is comfortable. I think my m3p was made just before they started using LR suspension (at least i heard they started doing that )
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Every BMW driver will tell you that fwd is better