Would be really cool if Milwaukee could do a packout roller with shelves as the main storage rather than a box -> also the removable handle for upright ute tray storage
You are the ONLY person that's shown you can in fact use the worktop on the crate while it is attached on the top rack. I'll be putting my order in right now!! Kudos to you good sir!
Thanks for confirming what I suspected about the cart being less stable. I just wish the rolling tool box had a version with drawers, making it accessible without unstacking everything. In my trade I move around constantly and it would get annoying having to constantly unstack and restack to reach the bottom bin.
No worries John. I’m still wondering why Milwaukee haven’t done that. Or even someone else. Companies are copying the packout but not bringing out the bottom roller drawer
No! Say it ain't so! I'll sell you my rolling box! 50% off, no? Okay I'll do $40 bucks. I just need to get $250 to replace it with a 2 drawer box leaving me some cash to make my own 4 wheel dolly. Then I still need a hand truck. But there's no way in hades I'm buying that as seen on TV piece of crap milwaukee made. Literally, WTF... Would you sign my petition to have milwaukee hand trucks removed from home depot? I guess it won't matter, eventually it will only be special order like thier 20" tool tote is today.
Rolling drawer box would have been the best for sure. Should have been the first to be released. Fingers crossed they bring it out. I’m still waiting for the drawers here in aus🥲
The problem with taking the rolling box and turning it into a rolling drawer unit is that once you put drawers on it you have no wear to put a axial on it for wheels do to the fact the drawers are in the way which is why milwaukee only made packout drawers best option is for milwaukee to make a metal two wheel cart with the wheels on the outside closer to the front
Greetings! I'm in the U.S and recently became the owner of the Roller box. It is in the original unmodified state so far and has been a awesome piece of kit. My work space is quite cramped and often have to take my power tools outside to cut, grind or sand what ever the project is and drag it back in, by storing them in here I can literally wheel out everything I need in one go and not go back and forth a zillion times to get what I want and have to put everything back, quite a time saver. My main reasons I bought the roller box over the cart was its a box with wheels, I'm not wasting money on a cart and then a box, and in the store it seemed like the box was more sturdy. Height was another issue, I do have friends time to time I go help with there construction projects and to be able to throw my tools in a car trunk means i don't have to fill the back seats up.
Hey mate. Sounds like the rolling box is the best setup for yourself. It definitely makes life a lot easier even as you said, throwing it into the car when needed. Thanks for the input. Keep it up👍
This is the exact video I was looking for. Unfortunately, its been 2 years and Milwaukee hasnt done anything about the shortcomings of the big dolly. Thank you for doing this comparison. 👍
I’m also disappointed with them. They’re websites are full of bad reviews on it. I’m still using the trolley now though after I modified the wheels to the sides. Never had a problem now
Yes for sure. Marketing is well represented in the boardrooms of corporations. Engineers, not so much. So when cost analysis is done with a fine tooth comb. It's easy to be like weber grills and opt for plastic wheels from the makers of Milton Bradley... I watched a man load the boxes to 400lbs and just bend that bottom plate like it was my wrist trying to carry that load! Only a strap from a 3rd party manufacturer would allow it to reach max weight capacity... While using a strap is recommended for stability, any good hand truck can scoop 400lbs off the floor... This thing feels engineered out of this country. I don't feel comfortable with it having an American flag on it.
I choose neither. But conned myself into the rolling tool box, back when it was a much shorter stack. I'm currently looking @ making my own 4 wheel dollies. I currently have my rolling box loaded with finishing stuff for woodwork mostly in the way of post finish repairability. Then I have a 3 drawer on top of that as a cutting box. Drills for round cuts @ the bottom, jig saw/multi tool/dremel in the mid/hand tools and blades up top. Then there's my xl box on top of that as a general box. Trash bags, tape, 4 8" clamps, hammer, lixie dead blow mallet, 2 pry bars, a baby pry, slim pry, channel locks, screw driver, 2 4" scrapers, CA glues (med & thick), CA activator. Then on top of that I have my marking box. Speed squares, slide squares, miter gauge, sliding t-bevel, fastcap magshims, deck of playing cards (for fine shimming), feeler gauges, laser measure, 3 tape measures, pens, pencils, markers, note pads. Then I have 1 1/2 box for milwaukee batteries, an open bin meant for trowels and a bit of a catch all, and a 15" tote which I load with things I need throughout the day as I need them to keep handy and organized, also to help get everything to the tool boxes @ the end of the day faster. It's a lot of crap, but only some of my stuff. I've got festool stacks too, and I'm looking @ building another milwaukee tower to hopefully shrink the one I have. My rolling toolbox is the only one I wish I hadn't bought. But they didn't have drawers yet when I made that purchase. I've got a whole other finishing box that's even bigger, a mini metal toolbox with drawers. A husky soft rolling tool case. And still have crap spilling out in the garage... So many tools! So many good works.
Very good comparison! I actually have Dewalts tough system and their DS carrier. I do like it but alas for my needs ive gone to using a Costco 3-n-1 folding hand truck platform cart. It allows me to not only stack my Dewalt tough system boxes on it as a dolly but also use it as an 800lb capacity dolly for multiple other uses. But most importantly it converts to a 4 wheel cart that allows me to stack my boxes, folding ladders/platforms, as well as other stuff on it up to its 1000lb capacity in the 4 wheel configuration and just pushit for long distances on concrete or semi rough surfaces into or around job sites. It is so much more versatile then any wheeled box or the DS carrier or Milwaukee cart imo. The nice thing about the Milwaukee system as well is you could use some of their mounting plates to easily secure the packout boxes to the dolly as with my Dewalt tough system boxes I do use a strap to secure the stack to the Costco dolly.
Ya, you made a good call. What model hand truck did you get? And is there a different one you've seen you wished you would have gotten? I'm heading towards a hand truck currently. But I'm hoping to land one that converts like yours, yet has the tank tread type deals for stairs to not mess up stuff like fine wood steps in someone's home. I'm looking for something that is capable of traversing rough terrain as well as being able to perform in a fine finish enviornment. I'm probably going to have to make my own 4 wheeled dollies with quality non marring wheels (the grey ones).
@brandonhoffman4712 I currently use the Cosco 3 in 1 dolly that you can get at Harbor Freight. It's around $170 I think. It works pretty good for what I do. Cosco also makes a 4 in 1 where you can fold up the bottom plate which I think I might like better but the 3 in 1 works good enough that I don't feel the need to upgrade at this time. I've personally never seen a rough surface dolly that has the stair tracks. I only know of appliance dollys that have the stair tracks on the back. I did see that Wesco makes a set of rough surface wheels called the Superwheel model#27005 that will attach to their appliance dolly. Looks nifty but a bit pricey. If you need to have one dolly to use for both delicate interior use as well as rough surface outdoor use it could be a good solution. I gotta say the new Toughbuilt system is looking tempting to me. Especially if they actually come out with their dolly options. But it would be a hard swallow to drop the bread to switch over to that system.
@@duncdunc76 Ahh okay, I saw the Cosco somewhere online. Cosco is one of the worlds largest container ship companies. Makes sense they make enough hand trucks to sell to the world! Thanks for the info man!
Nice. I actually ordered the wheeled box just yesterday seeing some text reviews and observing the wheel spacing dimensions. I am very glad that this video confirmed that and not the other way around! This was nicely done. PS - I saw another youtube video that showed how to put quick release pins in the base of the roller box handle so that you can take the handle off easily to eliminate the handle sticking up even when retracted, reducing stored height.
I'm looking to get rid of my rolling box. It sucks burrowing down 4ft, doing the box stack shuffle just to get to the one box that can't be gotten into any other way. I'm looking to replace mine with a drawered box ASAP.
Brilliant testing . You really, really helped me decide to get the Packout style instead. I’ve been waiting for a test like this. I’ve worked on 4-Movies In Special Effects and installed Commercial Machines for 36 years. You are a sharp man and that’s what look for in working on Multi-Million $$ Movies. You would fit right in. You are right on the money to point out the Axel location and why it makes a huge difference, great observation. I’ve subscribed and keep up the proper testing and ergonomics of making us Mechanics and Special Effects guys constantly innovating. Can’t thanks your enough, God Bless You Brother 🙏
I have the rolling box. Wouldn't buy again. I've looked into the milwaukee hand truck. I view it as junk that should be on a midnight infomercial on QVC... or maybe found in an as seen on TV store. I'm replacing my rolling box next. With a packout 2 drawer box. For wheels I'm ditching milwaukee entirely. I'm making my own 4-wheel dollies, and buying a real hand truck for traversing terrain and general use. I currently have to unstack 4-6 boxes off that stupid rolling box, working my way 4 feet down into what I consider to be tool hell. I don't work on movie sets, I don't know how tall your stacks get, but over here working on multi million dollar homes where those actors live, we need an entourage of tools, and none of milwaukees offering pass muster with me. Though I still like the system as a whole. Much more robust, and organized than before while taking minimal floor space.
I have both. We’re a small plumbing & hvac company. The dolly is better that way we have to use it as a dolly to bring in equipment or other plumbing fixtures. So it’s dual purpose. We use a ratchet strap to secure say a water heater. Improvements would be longer handle, built in strap, wider wheels to eliminate the tipping and the base needs to be able to more easily flip up and lock up in place.
Thanks for the great comparison, it helped me out. I got my 2 wheel cart in and the vertical rails were crooked, so much so I had to slam in the boxes for them to latch. I was disappointed with it for this, and how it felt. I was on the fence about whether to get a replacement or a refund. You helped me decide on getting a refund. I'll roll with my rolling boxes. They fit in my vehicle much better, and are a much better option for me. Besides, I have 3 of them. Thanks Matt. 👍🏻
Hey mate. I’m glad it helped. I haven’t heard about any railed being bent. That’s a concern. The rolling boxes definitely fit in cars better. Thanks again for the feedback 👌🍻
Great video as always. I wonder if you could use a longer axel and move the wheels or even the packout roller wheels to the outside of the cart to give the cart that extra stability. Definitely needs some mods for sure.
Thanks! I'll skip the wheel cart. Just got the 3 drawer and love it with the M12 kit. Put it directly on the "dolly" (with casters) and other boxes on top.
I have the 2 wheel cart and a flat top service cart with the plates attached to the top and bottom shelf. I use a strap around the top box if I have a few boxes and need to go up stairs with the two wheel cart. I work in the commercial construction so most times I have a service elevator and use my flat top service cart for long term jobs and can lock everything up on site with a cable lock or suit case locks. For quick one day service calls I use the two wheel cart
I parked my packout rolling box and exclusively use the packout dolly. Having a few boxes of drawers that I don't have to remove to get tools in the bottom is bonzer. Plus if you have to move heavy supplies like a water heater you don't have to bring an additional dolly.
I think this comes heavily down to what your trade is and what kind of area you work in. Commercial construction electrical or anything pipe related the wheel cart having those holders for long handle tools looks super handy. Just bring your glow rods and piper bender on that and the use of a hand truck is a good bonus (though years of just cargo strapping my tool boxes actual hand truck is my personal preference)
I saw another channel were they removed the axel and installed a longer axel and moved the wheels to the outside of the frame of the cart. Probably a game changer.
Thanks for the feedback Kyle. It was a bit of a shame with the trolley. I did fix the the trolley by widening the wheelbase. I have another video on that. 👍
For me cabinet installs. Was working from a truck with ramps,was always kept together in a stack with 2 drawerstacks. I had kept levels ,3rd hands,and guide rails in rack near the handle. Advantage hand truck. Am now about to become self-employed working from a large suburban where everything will need to be broken down. Not sure which one will be the winner. Hand truck Pro able to have drawers on the bottom and keeps the stack shorter, holds levels etc,i have extended the axle and mounted wheels outboard and no longer as tippy. Rolling box. Pro axle is nearer the center of load and pulls easier. I use drawers and the cabinets (tracksaw and beltsander) for every possible tool that will fit. I will buy a standard handtruck and modify before ever using the rolling box again,and will mod level storage. Stacking and unstacking is something belonging to 2020 for me.
Great video mate, iv been thinking about this and I really think Milwaukee needs to make their packout drawer’s available in a rolling version. this would solve the main issue I had with the rolling box. Unfortunately the normal drawer’s still aren’t available in Aus. Keep the vids coming. Love ya work. 👍🏻
Thanks dean. I always appreciate the feedback. I totally agree. They needed rolling drawers at the beginning. I do feel that many will go to the wheel cart when we get the drawers and xl box here in aus. They need to look at the problems though. Thanks again and hopefully we get the drawers here soon 🤞
It’s the usual scenario over here unfortunately. We are usually a year behind. Not sure why it’s hard to get it shipped over. Even those that have contacts with Milwaukee don’t get told much until maybe a month before.
Good comparison review! I know things have moved along but thought I’d leave a comment anyway, doing my research before dropping $$ on this storage solution. Don’t know why Milwaukee would change years of physics fundamentals about tilt trolleys and potentially put tradies backs out and obviously as you have said increase the effort it takes to transport your tools. Personally I prefer the roller box and as you’ve said in another video it would be good to have a drawer system at the bottom.
Best to make a dolly with the packout base, plywood, locking wheels, each corner, fastened to a typically 3/4 ply sandwich 1/2" gap, ( personaly thinking of going with 1/2 " all round) get the miluwakuie aluminium hand truck wider base, so indoors u can move tower on small 2 to 3 inch wheels, n truck tower with hand truck when moving it
The wheel base is the achilles heel of the cart, I would move them outside and u can make the wheel larger so it can go over on a lot of things and if add size on the rear this is the perfect opportunity to add two small 360 wheel on the front so ur cart will be leveled but in my case i like my cart tilted back a little
11:50 It's physics (lever). The weight is forward a lot more compared to the wheel axis (fulcrum) vs on the trolley, so you have less mechanical advantage and need more effort to tilt it and keep it that way.
Good luck taking that stuff on and off and on and off and on and off…rolling hand truck/cabinet packout/3drawer/2drawer/box with handle. I never need o remove any packout compartments ever…have fun playing legos while I’m working.
Hey. Not really sure what you’re referring to. I don’t have any problems. I have a few setups. One to get into site and one to work out of. What are you working out of? Cheers
I mainly brought the trolly to use as a tool roller but also to carry out ovens etc…. Rather than have both just the one. And it works so far for me but great review mate
Cheers mate. It’s 100% perfect for that sort of work. If you ever have problems with the trolley after a heap of work, let me know. I’m interested in how it goes.
@@AddictedtoTools I will do….i had an issue after 2 days… squeaky wheel bearing so I took it back they just replaced it for a brand new trolly. Milwaukee authorised it not the shop which was pretty crazy. Other than that 4 weeks and it’s working well.
Thank you for the great information but I own both and I use the dolly for my pack out drawers and I use the rolling boxes for all my other tools that I don’t use as often so basically I use the dolly and drawers for my m12 tools and my bigger m18 tools on the rolling box system, just throwing that out there. I do like the fact that instead of breaking my boxes down I just open the drawers
That’s definitely something I’m looking at doing. Once we get the packout drawers, I feel the trolley will be a lot more utilised. Thanks for your thoughts mate. Sounds like you’ve got a good setup 👍
Thanks for making this video mate. I think if you had a smaller vehicle and other things to bring to site than the trolley would be great but the roller is better if space isn’t tight and you want stability. Cheers
Awesome video. I got the cart with drawers on the bottom and the XL cart on top so I never have to remove anything to access my tools. It’s unfortunate the wheel base but good compromise
My complaint with the roller box is if I have anything stored in there, I have to take everything else off the top of it to access them. I like the cart but it’s very heavy and do agree the wheels are way to narrow.
I love my Packout trolley - I’m a meter tech so mine is just full of test equipment & cables. Only problem I find is if you get caught in the rain and open the trolley lid afterwards, most of the water sitting in the grooves on top ends up inside the trolley 🤨
It seems more sensible to have the roller bottom compartment front accessible (wall cabinet or drawer style) as to not need to remove the stacked boxes to access
The one problem I have with the rolling base is that when I have a large load the rubber wheels get a bit warped and look like they may pop off the rim .
That’s a good point I didn’t bring up. Maybe because I haven’t really had a real problem with it yet. I do know many people that have had them break and they’ve changed to a more heavy duty wheel.
Good analyse. Dewalt chart has very wide wheel position. It is very stabyle but very bulky when manoever. Maybe the box with wheel is the perfect size.
Great video. This is the kind of stuff that 4 guys and 6 weeks in the field could have figured out. A company with the resources of Milwaukee should have done better. I imagine they simply know they'll sell the improved version to the fanboys and increase sales nearly two fold.
The roller has a more center of gravity as the weight is more center to axel. The roller box has wheels on side which brings them forward. Also the roller box was intended to be taken on all terrain as the tyre tread. The dolly (2wheel cart) is more intended for finish areas. Not really intended as equal replacement as an alternative to roller box which requires the bottom box to accompany you. The cart allows a stand alone option.
Hey mate, from what I’ve seen the trolley is meant to be used almost the same as the roller box. They don’t actually detail the proper use and all the photos are very similar to how the roller box is used. The applications they use it in the photos is how I used it and it tipped over
100% mate. I still can’t believe they haven’t made a rolling box draw. Even Klein tools, flex, and hikoki have brought out new packout style boxes with no drawers.
The wheel dolly is ok for finish flooring but on dirt and mud for new construction its a terrible unit.. what i would do is remove the wheels 🛞 that come with the dolly and add all terrain wheels and have them on the outside… because all my packout are drawers.. two deep 2 drawers and the top is a 3 drawer and a deep organizer then to top it off with a slim organizer..
Would love to see the MkII version of the wheel cart, I think there are going to be some serious improvements made. And sorry, did you say something about drawers?
I’m hoping they make improvements. The reviews on their websites are terrible for the trolley. The packout drawers should be coming to Australia this year. They haven’t said when yet, but fingers crossed soon.
Milwaukee seriously needs to make a rolling base box with drawers instead of a top-load box.... I keep my least-used tools in the roller, and it's by far the one box I most want to have a reason to bring along
What ifu installed some360⁰ wheels that turn? Bet this would solve the issue 100%cause each individual wheel would turn individual individually amd would take away the tilt? And with small shocks! I bet that build would b so damn robust!
The wheelcart is extortionate, especially considering that in buying it you're basically saying that you're committing to buying more of the system as there's no reason to buy it other than the fact it can carry more. Ends up being about £248 for the dolley and similar size tool box to the one that comes with the "trolley box" which costs £115. That's 115% more expensive for basically the same product even though the more expensive one performs worse but has a place for your levels. It's just frustrating that they didn't make the dolley better in every way as they should have.
They definitely should have made a few changes. For myself, I had packout first. So buying the trolley is an addition. At the moment I use the trolley a lot more as I’m utilising it as a trolley to carry other gear around site, then attaching the Packout drawers and box. It has great potential but wasn’t done right and definitely pricey. Thanks for the feedback mate.
@@AddictedtoTools thank you mate. That makes sense. I think this thing would also come in handy once I get my gas accreditation and have to lug boilers around. Awesome video by the way.
Seems like you just can get a regular Dolly. If you wanted to lock in the bottom you just bungi it. That way you get the Dolly you want. I bet a lot cheaper too!
packout stack is less then the cost of the dolly alone. The choice is pretty obvious. Milwaukee needs to chop the cost of the dolly by a lot as well as improve it
Easy fix for the cart. New axle shaft that is longer and either outboard the existing wheels, or upgrade to some foam filled rubber tires that will hold up way longer than the plastic wheels milwaukee puts on these "heavy duty, pro grade" organizers.
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@@AddictedtoTools, I believe it is the metal bracket mounted in front of the roller base. at 21:07 (ua-cam.com/video/NPA_7d5JOpc/v-deo.html) you are sitting in front of it, and the battery holder is hunging on the bracket (that bracket is what he is asking).
I don’t have the 2 wheeled cart/dolly just the rolling box mainly because of the cost & yes I am one of the people that think there’s way to much plastic on the 2 wheeled cart. & just looking at it I just have no confidence in it surviving even one day on a jobsite unless it is babied so I can’t spend $200 on that. I really like the idea & I want it to be built better & I’d absolutely pick one up. The rolling box I think could withstand much more abuse & should have a higher weight rating than the 2 wheeled cart. 400 lbs Milwaukee?!? Really??? Like they must think we’re stupid or their testing for that rating is just out of line unrealistic & the conditions they tested must have been non moving or something. Or maybe they just pulled the number 400 out of their ass in which case I don’t know how there hasn’t been a lawsuit for false advertising yet. Anyone else wanna get a class action goin’? I’d take free Milwaukee tools for life + a nice some of hush money. 😆
Would be really cool if Milwaukee could do a packout roller with shelves as the main storage rather than a box -> also the removable handle for upright ute tray storage
You are the ONLY person that's shown you can in fact use the worktop on the crate while it is attached on the top rack. I'll be putting my order in right now!! Kudos to you good sir!
Thanks for confirming what I suspected about the cart being less stable. I just wish the rolling tool box had a version with drawers, making it accessible without unstacking everything. In my trade I move around constantly and it would get annoying having to constantly unstack and restack to reach the bottom bin.
No worries John. I’m still wondering why Milwaukee haven’t done that. Or even someone else. Companies are copying the packout but not bringing out the bottom roller drawer
It is amazing how a little more width makes things better. Looks like there is a place for both of them in my life. Thanks for the comparison.
No! Say it ain't so!
I'll sell you my rolling box! 50% off, no?
Okay I'll do $40 bucks.
I just need to get $250 to replace it with a 2 drawer box leaving me some cash to make my own 4 wheel dolly.
Then I still need a hand truck. But there's no way in hades I'm buying that as seen on TV piece of crap milwaukee made. Literally, WTF...
Would you sign my petition to have milwaukee hand trucks removed from home depot? I guess it won't matter, eventually it will only be special order like thier 20" tool tote is today.
Great comparison. I use both daily and suffer a bit of buyer's remorse with the wheel cart. A rolling drawer box would be best.
Rolling drawer box would have been the best for sure. Should have been the first to be released. Fingers crossed they bring it out. I’m still waiting for the drawers here in aus🥲
The problem with taking the rolling box and turning it into a rolling drawer unit is that once you put drawers on it you have no wear to put a axial on it for wheels do to the fact the drawers are in the way which is why milwaukee only made packout drawers best option is for milwaukee to make a metal two wheel cart with the wheels on the outside closer to the front
@@lemuelsrandomvids or they could just have a shallow bottom draw to allow for axle space behind 👍😁
@@AddictedtoTools tht wpuld be the best reall hope it will be released
I want the roller box with drawers and removable handle. I'd buy one today! The dolly is too expensive and awkward.
Greetings! I'm in the U.S and recently became the owner of the Roller box. It is in the original unmodified state so far and has been a awesome piece of kit. My work space is quite cramped and often have to take my power tools outside to cut, grind or sand what ever the project is and drag it back in, by storing them in here I can literally wheel out everything I need in one go and not go back and forth a zillion times to get what I want and have to put everything back, quite a time saver.
My main reasons I bought the roller box over the cart was its a box with wheels, I'm not wasting money on a cart and then a box, and in the store it seemed like the box was more sturdy. Height was another issue, I do have friends time to time I go help with there construction projects and to be able to throw my tools in a car trunk means i don't have to fill the back seats up.
Hey mate. Sounds like the rolling box is the best setup for yourself. It definitely makes life a lot easier even as you said, throwing it into the car when needed.
Thanks for the input. Keep it up👍
This is the exact video I was looking for. Unfortunately, its been 2 years and Milwaukee hasnt done anything about the shortcomings of the big dolly. Thank you for doing this comparison. 👍
I’m also disappointed with them. They’re websites are full of bad reviews on it. I’m still using the trolley now though after I modified the wheels to the sides. Never had a problem now
@AddictedtoTools Glad you were able to work that out. I think their marketing team has priority over their engineers.
Yes for sure. Marketing is well represented in the boardrooms of corporations. Engineers, not so much.
So when cost analysis is done with a fine tooth comb. It's easy to be like weber grills and opt for plastic wheels from the makers of Milton Bradley...
I watched a man load the boxes to 400lbs and just bend that bottom plate like it was my wrist trying to carry that load! Only a strap from a 3rd party manufacturer would allow it to reach max weight capacity...
While using a strap is recommended for stability, any good hand truck can scoop 400lbs off the floor...
This thing feels engineered out of this country. I don't feel comfortable with it having an American flag on it.
I choose neither. But conned myself into the rolling tool box, back when it was a much shorter stack.
I'm currently looking @ making my own 4 wheel dollies.
I currently have my rolling box loaded with finishing stuff for woodwork mostly in the way of post finish repairability. Then I have a 3 drawer on top of that as a cutting box. Drills for round cuts @ the bottom, jig saw/multi tool/dremel in the mid/hand tools and blades up top. Then there's my xl box on top of that as a general box. Trash bags, tape, 4 8" clamps, hammer, lixie dead blow mallet, 2 pry bars, a baby pry, slim pry, channel locks, screw driver, 2 4" scrapers, CA glues (med & thick), CA activator. Then on top of that I have my marking box. Speed squares, slide squares, miter gauge, sliding t-bevel, fastcap magshims, deck of playing cards (for fine shimming), feeler gauges, laser measure, 3 tape measures, pens, pencils, markers, note pads. Then I have 1 1/2 box for milwaukee batteries, an open bin meant for trowels and a bit of a catch all, and a 15" tote which I load with things I need throughout the day as I need them to keep handy and organized, also to help get everything to the tool boxes @ the end of the day faster.
It's a lot of crap, but only some of my stuff. I've got festool stacks too, and I'm looking @ building another milwaukee tower to hopefully shrink the one I have.
My rolling toolbox is the only one I wish I hadn't bought. But they didn't have drawers yet when I made that purchase.
I've got a whole other finishing box that's even bigger, a mini metal toolbox with drawers. A husky soft rolling tool case. And still have crap spilling out in the garage...
So many tools! So many good works.
Very good comparison! I actually have Dewalts tough system and their DS carrier. I do like it but alas for my needs ive gone to using a Costco 3-n-1 folding hand truck platform cart. It allows me to not only stack my Dewalt tough system boxes on it as a dolly but also use it as an 800lb capacity dolly for multiple other uses. But most importantly it converts to a 4 wheel cart that allows me to stack my boxes, folding ladders/platforms, as well as other stuff on it up to its 1000lb capacity in the 4 wheel configuration and just pushit for long distances on concrete or semi rough surfaces into or around job sites. It is so much more versatile then any wheeled box or the DS carrier or Milwaukee cart imo. The nice thing about the Milwaukee system as well is you could use some of their mounting plates to easily secure the packout boxes to the dolly as with my Dewalt tough system boxes I do use a strap to secure the stack to the Costco dolly.
Ya, you made a good call. What model hand truck did you get? And is there a different one you've seen you wished you would have gotten?
I'm heading towards a hand truck currently. But I'm hoping to land one that converts like yours, yet has the tank tread type deals for stairs to not mess up stuff like fine wood steps in someone's home.
I'm looking for something that is capable of traversing rough terrain as well as being able to perform in a fine finish enviornment.
I'm probably going to have to make my own 4 wheeled dollies with quality non marring wheels (the grey ones).
@brandonhoffman4712 I currently use the Cosco 3 in 1 dolly that you can get at Harbor Freight. It's around $170 I think. It works pretty good for what I do. Cosco also makes a 4 in 1 where you can fold up the bottom plate which I think I might like better but the 3 in 1 works good enough that I don't feel the need to upgrade at this time. I've personally never seen a rough surface dolly that has the stair tracks. I only know of appliance dollys that have the stair tracks on the back. I did see that Wesco makes a set of rough surface wheels called the Superwheel model#27005 that will attach to their appliance dolly. Looks nifty but a bit pricey. If you need to have one dolly to use for both delicate interior use as well as rough surface outdoor use it could be a good solution. I gotta say the new Toughbuilt system is looking tempting to me. Especially if they actually come out with their dolly options. But it would be a hard swallow to drop the bread to switch over to that system.
@@duncdunc76 Ahh okay, I saw the Cosco somewhere online. Cosco is one of the worlds largest container ship companies. Makes sense they make enough hand trucks to sell to the world!
Thanks for the info man!
Nice. I actually ordered the wheeled box just yesterday seeing some text reviews and observing the wheel spacing dimensions. I am very glad that this video confirmed that and not the other way around! This was nicely done. PS - I saw another youtube video that showed how to put quick release pins in the base of the roller box handle so that you can take the handle off easily to eliminate the handle sticking up even when retracted, reducing stored height.
Thanks for the feedback mate.
The quick release pins are worth while. I have my own set now, hopefully I’ll be selling them soon.
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I'm looking to get rid of my rolling box. It sucks burrowing down 4ft, doing the box stack shuffle just to get to the one box that can't be gotten into any other way.
I'm looking to replace mine with a drawered box ASAP.
Brilliant testing . You really, really helped me decide to get the Packout style instead. I’ve been waiting for a test like this.
I’ve worked on 4-Movies In Special Effects and installed Commercial Machines for 36 years. You are a sharp man and that’s what look for in working on Multi-Million $$ Movies. You would fit right in.
You are right on the money to point out the Axel location and why it makes a huge difference, great observation.
I’ve subscribed and keep up the proper testing and ergonomics of making us Mechanics and Special Effects guys constantly innovating. Can’t thanks your enough, God Bless You Brother 🙏
I have the rolling box. Wouldn't buy again.
I've looked into the milwaukee hand truck. I view it as junk that should be on a midnight infomercial on QVC... or maybe found in an as seen on TV store.
I'm replacing my rolling box next. With a packout 2 drawer box. For wheels I'm ditching milwaukee entirely. I'm making my own 4-wheel dollies, and buying a real hand truck for traversing terrain and general use.
I currently have to unstack 4-6 boxes off that stupid rolling box, working my way 4 feet down into what I consider to be tool hell.
I don't work on movie sets, I don't know how tall your stacks get, but over here working on multi million dollar homes where those actors live, we need an entourage of tools, and none of milwaukees offering pass muster with me.
Though I still like the system as a whole. Much more robust, and organized than before while taking minimal floor space.
I have both. We’re a small plumbing & hvac company. The dolly is better that way we have to use it as a dolly to bring in equipment or other plumbing fixtures. So it’s dual purpose. We use a ratchet strap to secure say a water heater. Improvements would be longer handle, built in strap, wider wheels to eliminate the tipping and the base needs to be able to more easily flip up and lock up in place.
Thanks for the great comparison, it helped me out. I got my 2 wheel cart in and the vertical rails were crooked, so much so I had to slam in the boxes for them to latch. I was disappointed with it for this, and how it felt. I was on the fence about whether to get a replacement or a refund. You helped me decide on getting a refund. I'll roll with my rolling boxes. They fit in my vehicle much better, and are a much better option for me. Besides, I have 3 of them. Thanks Matt. 👍🏻
Hey mate. I’m glad it helped. I haven’t heard about any railed being bent. That’s a concern. The rolling boxes definitely fit in cars better. Thanks again for the feedback 👌🍻
@@AddictedtoTools yeah, I asked around and it seems to be either it slipped through quality control or got damaged in shipping.
Great video as always.
I wonder if you could use a longer axel and move the wheels or even the packout roller wheels to the outside of the cart to give the cart that extra stability. Definitely needs some mods for sure.
Yeah I’ve been discussing that with some others. I’ll be looking at doing something like that.
Thanks! I'll skip the wheel cart. Just got the 3 drawer and love it with the M12 kit. Put it directly on the "dolly" (with casters) and other boxes on top.
I have the 2 wheel cart and a flat top service cart with the plates attached to the top and bottom shelf. I use a strap around the top box if I have a few boxes and need to go up stairs with the two wheel cart. I work in the commercial construction so most times I have a service elevator and use my flat top service cart for long term jobs and can lock everything up on site with a cable lock or suit case locks. For quick one day service calls I use the two wheel cart
I parked my packout rolling box and exclusively use the packout dolly. Having a few boxes of drawers that I don't have to remove to get tools in the bottom is bonzer. Plus if you have to move heavy supplies like a water heater you don't have to bring an additional dolly.
I think this comes heavily down to what your trade is and what kind of area you work in. Commercial construction electrical or anything pipe related the wheel cart having those holders for long handle tools looks super handy. Just bring your glow rods and piper bender on that and the use of a hand truck is a good bonus (though years of just cargo strapping my tool boxes actual hand truck is my personal preference)
I saw another channel were they removed the axel and installed a longer axel and moved the wheels to the outside of the frame of the cart. Probably a game changer.
Hey, yeah I did a video on that the week after this video. Worked a lot better
Great video! I appreciate your thought into this. Definitely has shown me the value in the rolling box instead of complaining about it.
Thanks for the feedback Kyle. It was a bit of a shame with the trolley. I did fix the the trolley by widening the wheelbase. I have another video on that. 👍
@@AddictedtoTools I say bring on the wheeled drawers base and we will all be better off! Cheers!
Can’t disagree with that 👌
Thanks for making this video. This actually helped me decide which one to go for
Which one to you get?
@@unSTEVOED I got the wheel cart because of robust build quality
For me cabinet installs.
Was working from a truck with ramps,was always kept together in a stack with 2 drawerstacks.
I had kept levels ,3rd hands,and guide rails in rack near the handle.
Advantage hand truck.
Am now about to become self-employed working from a large suburban where everything will need to be broken down.
Not sure which one will be the winner.
Hand truck
Pro able to have drawers on the bottom and keeps the stack shorter, holds levels etc,i have extended the axle and mounted wheels outboard and no longer as tippy.
Rolling box.
Pro axle is nearer the center of load and pulls easier.
I use drawers and the cabinets (tracksaw and beltsander) for every possible tool that will fit.
I will buy a standard handtruck and modify before ever using the rolling box again,and will mod level storage.
Stacking and unstacking is something belonging to 2020 for me.
Great video mate, iv been thinking about this and I really think Milwaukee needs to make their packout drawer’s available in a rolling version. this would solve the main issue I had with the rolling box. Unfortunately the normal drawer’s still aren’t available in Aus. Keep the vids coming. Love ya work. 👍🏻
Thanks dean. I always appreciate the feedback. I totally agree. They needed rolling drawers at the beginning. I do feel that many will go to the wheel cart when we get the drawers and xl box here in aus. They need to look at the problems though.
Thanks again and hopefully we get the drawers here soon 🤞
@@AddictedtoTools really frustrating that they give Australians no indication of when these products will be out.
It’s the usual scenario over here unfortunately. We are usually a year behind. Not sure why it’s hard to get it shipped over. Even those that have contacts with Milwaukee don’t get told much until maybe a month before.
Can we send one from the US to you or is it probably the same price to ship as to buy?
Agree the base should be one big pull out drawer so you don't need to unstack to open it
Good comparison review! I know things have moved along but thought I’d leave a comment anyway, doing my research before dropping $$ on this storage solution. Don’t know why Milwaukee would change years of physics fundamentals about tilt trolleys and potentially put tradies backs out and obviously as you have said increase the effort it takes to transport your tools. Personally I prefer the roller box and as you’ve said in another video it would be good to have a drawer system at the bottom.
Yes, yes, drawers at the bottom! :-)
Best to make a dolly with the packout base, plywood, locking wheels, each corner, fastened to a typically 3/4 ply sandwich 1/2" gap, ( personaly thinking of going with 1/2 " all round)
get the miluwakuie aluminium hand truck wider base, so indoors u can move tower on small 2 to 3 inch wheels, n truck tower with hand truck when moving it
Sounds like you’ve spent some time thinking about it. Would love to see how you go setting it up. 👍🍻
The wheel base is the achilles heel of the cart, I would move them outside and u can make the wheel larger so it can go over on a lot of things and if add size on the rear this is the perfect opportunity to add two small 360 wheel on the front so ur cart will be leveled but in my case i like my cart tilted back a little
11:50 It's physics (lever). The weight is forward a lot more compared to the wheel axis (fulcrum) vs on the trolley, so you have less mechanical advantage and need more effort to tilt it and keep it that way.
been waiting for this comparison… didn’t disappoint! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Thanks mate. I appreciate the feedback.
Great video my
Friend. Awesome comparison. Now I know what to buy with ease. Thx man
Good luck taking that stuff on and off and on and off and on and off…rolling hand truck/cabinet packout/3drawer/2drawer/box with handle.
I never need o remove any packout compartments ever…have fun playing legos while I’m working.
Hey. Not really sure what you’re referring to. I don’t have any problems. I have a few setups. One to get into site and one to work out of. What are you working out of? Cheers
I mainly brought the trolly to use as a tool roller but also to carry out ovens etc…. Rather than have both just the one. And it works so far for me but great review mate
Cheers mate. It’s 100% perfect for that sort of work. If you ever have problems with the trolley after a heap of work, let me know. I’m interested in how it goes.
@@AddictedtoTools I will do….i had an issue after 2 days… squeaky wheel bearing so I took it back they just replaced it for a brand new trolly. Milwaukee authorised it not the shop which was pretty crazy. Other than that 4 weeks and it’s working well.
Good to hear that they swapped it.
Thank you for the great information but I own both and I use the dolly for my pack out drawers and I use the rolling boxes for all my other tools that I don’t use as often so basically I use the dolly and drawers for my m12 tools and my bigger m18 tools on the rolling box system, just throwing that out there. I do like the fact that instead of breaking my boxes down I just open the drawers
That’s definitely something I’m looking at doing. Once we get the packout drawers, I feel the trolley will be a lot more utilised. Thanks for your thoughts mate. Sounds like you’ve got a good setup 👍
Thank you I always want to share information on the tools and storage
Thanks for making this video mate. I think if you had a smaller vehicle and other things to bring to site than the trolley would be great but the roller is better if space isn’t tight and you want stability. Cheers
Thanks Sando👍. It definitely shows that there’s differences. I’m hoping they can change a few thing in the trolley.
Awesome video. I got the cart with drawers on the bottom and the XL cart on top so I never have to remove anything to access my tools. It’s unfortunate the wheel base but good compromise
My complaint with the roller box is if I have anything stored in there, I have to take everything else off the top of it to access them. I like the cart but it’s very heavy and do agree the wheels are way to narrow.
Always keep the primary tools on top, the box is used for heavier tools
I love my Packout trolley - I’m a meter tech so mine is just full of test equipment & cables.
Only problem I find is if you get caught in the rain and open the trolley lid afterwards, most of the water sitting in the grooves on top ends up inside the trolley 🤨
It seems more sensible to have the roller bottom compartment front accessible (wall cabinet or drawer style) as to not need to remove the stacked boxes to access
I would check out insider carpentry's set up.
I use both. I do hope Milwaukee is paying attention to FLEX and KLIEN packout solutions and will be responding in kind soon.
The one problem I have with the rolling base is that when I have a large load the rubber wheels get a bit warped and look like they may pop off the rim .
That’s a good point I didn’t bring up. Maybe because I haven’t really had a real problem with it yet. I do know many people that have had them break and they’ve changed to a more heavy duty wheel.
Thanks for making this video. Incredibly helpful.
They should have mounted the weeks on the outside of the dolly
100% check out my other video where I do this. way more stable
Good info & review. Roller box wins.
Good analyse.
Dewalt chart has very wide wheel position. It is very stabyle but very bulky when manoever. Maybe the box with wheel is the perfect size.
Great video. Was about to buy both to test which 1 i like.... dont need to know
Great video. This is the kind of stuff that 4 guys and 6 weeks in the field could have figured out. A company with the resources of Milwaukee should have done better. I imagine they simply know they'll sell the improved version to the fanboys and increase sales nearly two fold.
The roller has a more center of gravity as the weight is more center to axel.
The roller box has wheels on side which brings them forward. Also the roller box was intended to be taken on all terrain as the tyre tread.
The dolly (2wheel cart) is more intended for finish areas. Not really intended as equal replacement as an alternative to roller box which requires the bottom box to accompany you. The cart allows a stand alone option.
Hey mate, from what I’ve seen the trolley is meant to be used almost the same as the roller box. They don’t actually detail the proper use and all the photos are very similar to how the roller box is used. The applications they use it in the photos is how I used it and it tipped over
Great review mate! Maybe fwd the video straight on to Milwaukee so we can get a real hand truck out of 'em!
Cheers mate. They definitely know about the problem. We’re all hoping that they make a version 2 with these problems changed. Fingers crossed🍻
You just saved me some loot. Thanks for a great review
AMAZING video mate. Thank you 👍🏼
you're welcome mate. I hope it helped
one thing i hate about the rollout is that i have to remove everything above it to access its contents.
100% mate. I still can’t believe they haven’t made a rolling box draw. Even Klein tools, flex, and hikoki have brought out new packout style boxes with no drawers.
They got the 2 drawer now
Spot on, I bought the roller box instead
Amazing review ! Good job mate !
Thanks mate. I appreciate the feedback. 👍🍻
Liked everything in this video but the Yankees hat. Go Red Sox!
Aha cheers mate. I’ll have to find me a Red Sox hat👌🍻
Great review and comparison!!!
Thanks. I hope it helped.
Mega useful review, thanks a lot.
Thanks mate. I appreciate the feedback👌
Milwaukee needs to make a drawer roller one!
Damn straight!
The wheel dolly is ok for finish flooring but on dirt and mud for new construction its a terrible unit.. what i would do is remove the wheels 🛞 that come with the dolly and add all terrain wheels and have them on the outside… because all my packout are drawers.. two deep 2 drawers and the top is a 3 drawer and a deep organizer then to top it off with a slim organizer..
great video. i am not buying the wheel cart after your review. horrible design with the narrow wheel base
Would love to see the MkII version of the wheel cart, I think there are going to be some serious improvements made. And sorry, did you say something about drawers?
I’m hoping they make improvements. The reviews on their websites are terrible for the trolley. The packout drawers should be coming to Australia this year. They haven’t said when yet, but fingers crossed soon.
Milwaukee seriously needs to make a rolling base box with drawers instead of a top-load box.... I keep my least-used tools in the roller, and it's by far the one box I most want to have a reason to bring along
Thanks. I needed this video
Its about center of gravity, the cart have the weight of the boxes more far out from center of the wheels.
Thanks
I think the best setup is to use only dryer packout and cabinet packout and carry it with the dolly
What ifu installed some360⁰ wheels that turn? Bet this would solve the issue 100%cause each individual wheel would turn individual individually amd would take away the tilt? And with small shocks! I bet that build would b so damn robust!
Compare it to the dewalt ds carrier.
Can you modify the cart with a longer axle and put the wheels on the outside?
Sure can mate. Check out the video I did after this one 👌
Can you keep stacking boxes higher on the cart?
Sorry!!! I saw my answer toward the end of the video. Thanks!!
The wheelcart is extortionate, especially considering that in buying it you're basically saying that you're committing to buying more of the system as there's no reason to buy it other than the fact it can carry more. Ends up being about £248 for the dolley and similar size tool box to the one that comes with the "trolley box" which costs £115. That's 115% more expensive for basically the same product even though the more expensive one performs worse but has a place for your levels. It's just frustrating that they didn't make the dolley better in every way as they should have.
They definitely should have made a few changes. For myself, I had packout first. So buying the trolley is an addition. At the moment I use the trolley a lot more as I’m utilising it as a trolley to carry other gear around site, then attaching the Packout drawers and box. It has great potential but wasn’t done right and definitely pricey.
Thanks for the feedback mate.
@@AddictedtoTools thank you mate. That makes sense. I think this thing would also come in handy once I get my gas accreditation and have to lug boilers around. Awesome video by the way.
Seems like you just can get a regular Dolly. If you wanted to lock in the bottom you just bungi it. That way you get the Dolly you want. I bet a lot cheaper too!
Thank you
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Awesome video! Thx
Thanks got the roller month ago.
Hey Ernest. How have you found the roller so far? Enjoying it?
Roller works good and fits in backseat of truck. Never used the cart.
My dude should just get a Polaris 4wheeler🤣🤣🙆🏻♂️
Hey any chance you could make a longer axel and put the wheels on the outside ?
Hey mate. Look for the video that comes after this one. 👌🍻
I am make my own 2 wheel cart use Milwaukee base mount, strong and better
I’ve seen a few people do that. It’s a good idea. Let me know how you go.
Great video!
Thanks👍🍻
Great video
Cheers mate 👍🍻
packout stack is less then the cost of the dolly alone. The choice is pretty obvious. Milwaukee needs to chop the cost of the dolly by a lot as well as improve it
Well Spotted!
Cheers👍🍻
Easy fix for the cart. New axle shaft that is longer and either outboard the existing wheels, or upgrade to some foam filled rubber tires that will hold up way longer than the plastic wheels milwaukee puts on these "heavy duty, pro grade" organizers.
100% mate. I believe that’s the next video after I did this one. Upgrades the axle. Worked a treat. Still going strong a year on👌
Need to put the wheels on the outside
Watch the next video
Gad damn, you know your stuff!
The box on the packout roller is useless when you stacking 2 drawers above.
where did you get that boot and pants? looks good
Where are you located?
I got these from www.workwearhub.com.au
They are king gee quantum pants and boots.
You can get 15% off if you use the code matt15
@@AddictedtoTools i am from the USA
What is the white iron component of 48-22-8426 ?
Thank u
I’m not sure what you’re referring to sorry.
@@AddictedtoTools, I believe it is the metal bracket mounted in front of the roller base. at 21:07 (ua-cam.com/video/NPA_7d5JOpc/v-deo.html) you are sitting in front of it, and the battery holder is hunging on the bracket (that bracket is what he is asking).
Oh ok. Thanks.
It’s from www.Packibletools.com
Video I did on it is here:
ua-cam.com/video/27Tp31NNpbo/v-deo.html
48 Tools packout attachment link?
Where are you located mate?
What pants are you wearing in this video?
These are from king gee. Called quantum work pants. Where are you located?
Top show
Thanks mate. 👍🍻
I prefer drawers. I hate the fact that you have to take out one box to get to the bottom one. sucks.
It’s a dolly not a storage with wheels.
Pardon?
I don’t have the 2 wheeled cart/dolly just the rolling box mainly because of the cost & yes I am one of the people that think there’s way to much plastic on the 2 wheeled cart. & just looking at it I just have no confidence in it surviving even one day on a jobsite unless it is babied so I can’t spend $200 on that. I really like the idea & I want it to be built better & I’d absolutely pick one up. The rolling box I think could withstand much more abuse & should have a higher weight rating than the 2 wheeled cart. 400 lbs Milwaukee?!? Really??? Like they must think we’re stupid or their testing for that rating is just out of line unrealistic & the conditions they tested must have been non moving or something. Or maybe they just pulled the number 400 out of their ass in which case I don’t know how there hasn’t been a lawsuit for false advertising yet. Anyone else wanna get a class action goin’? I’d take free Milwaukee tools for life + a nice some of hush money. 😆
When pulling like 150 to 200 lbs weight yah gonna need a dolly with steel handles
Better a trollybox with drawers😃
3:10 Bei Treppen kann der Wagen vielleicht auf seinem Rahmen gleiten.
i just cant see paying $200 for the handtruck. id rather just buy a $50 handtruck and strap the bottom box too it
It is pricey. Which is why I wanted to share all this. I’ve seen some decent diy setups. I would like to see a wheel cart 2.0
I cringed so hard when you dropped the bag that has the packout base inside that crate.. just lock it to the rest😅😆
The idea is to show weight in the crate on the top part of the trolley…
God you'll have to repair the stairs!
MIlwaukee will make plastic shiet like this and price it around 900 dollars