Why People Get Divorced | Jordan Peterson
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ABOUT DR. JORDAN PETERSON
Jordan Peterson is a renowned Canadian psychologist, author, and professor, widely acclaimed for his profound insights into the human psyche and his contributions to the field of psychology. With an illustrious career spanning several decades, Dr. Jordan Peterson has earned a remarkable reputation for his thought-provoking ideas and transformative teachings.
Peterson's academic achievements are truly exceptional. He holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of Alberta and has served as a professor at the University of Toronto. Throughout his career, he has published numerous influential papers and articles, making significant contributions to the field. Notably, his work on personality psychology and the psychology of religious and ideological belief systems has garnered widespread recognition.
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Ever tried to negotiate with a narcissist?
I don't agree. BOTH parties have to be willing.
Duh.
Correct
That's why you don't marry a narcissist. That's why virginity matters. The end.
I agree, tryed for years , I was the willing partner , but you can't Bend iron with bare hands as we say
That the part where he said the other party has to be interested. Narcissist aren’t. That where he states negotiation doesn’t work
When the trust is broken. Deceit, betrayalis the worst thing that can happen in a marriage be it finacial, infidelity or both. Once this happens the relationship is contaminated, it cannot be salvaged.
Nothing ordained in the first place, is beyond redemption. Bringing the Reconciler of all mankind into the situation creates space for the healing of even the most egregious brokenness.
@@hanselpollack4075
You are a saint. I needed your words today.
I am dedicating myself to serving the lord. I do need income to pay for my things.
I am fasting these days. It helps me save, too. My bodyfat is dropping to single digits.
I hope I can win my wife back.
Google “marriage restored after infidelity” to see if this is true or not. You’ll be surprised. I personally know couples who have restored. Check UA-camr “Jimmy on relationships”
@@hanselpollack4075Amen!
Money for the marriage councillor!!
Wasted money if there is no willingness to improve behaviours!
Long term marriage is work if one sided it will die!
Like a plant no water no life!!
Some problems are not meant to be solved, sometimes they are a sign you picked the wrong person and you need to move on. There is nothing wrong with admitting you made a mistake and resetting. "Solving problems" often times is really just chipping away at yourself and what you know, need, feel, and what makes you uncomfortable in order to "fit" with someone you want to fit in with but are not really meant for. And in doing that you end up stuck with this wrong person and never actually get to be with the person you were actually made to be with...
This is operating under the assumption that both parties understood their vows and what marriage was. That both parties are willing or capable of negotiating, and that the marriage was valid and isn't either being totally undermined by one or both partners, OR that the marriage wasn't a fascade to use the other in some pyschopathic sense.
Absolutely, unfortunately a LOT of people aren’t authentic/ honest. They’re a facade, I married a covert narcissist. I tried to do everything to please him, gave up my good character but was never going to work. Yup, divorced, best decision I EVER made. Narcissistic do NOT change.
Stated to perfection pal!
My husband literally fell apart mentally and became an abusive alcoholic 10 yrs into our 20 yr marriage. Tried helping him in every way- went to therapy with him, and found him specialists to figure out his mood disorders too. When I was diagnosed with blood cancer he completely shut down. That was the last straw for me and so I left. And at the time I was jobless (had appts and treatments myself first year into my diagnosis). I’m sick and was treated like garbage, and I have to rebuild my life alone in my 50s. Thank goodness I now have a full time job but due to the disease I’m always exhausted. My ex betrayed me in the worst way. “In sickness and in health” what a joke. Never ever again for me.
but you left him because he was sick. hmmm interesting.
@@tedlogan4867 I sure did because he was an abusive alcoholic whom I tried to help for years through therapy, doctors, meds, etc. I endured years of abuse. No one deserves that.
@@missescookie deserves got nothing to do with it. it's fine if you decide to break vows, and maybe that was a good reason, but it still means you broke vows which has more of an effect on you than him or anyone else. I wish you well.
@@tedlogan4867I left because of the threat to my own safety. No one should live in fear or be injured or worse yet, killed. Clearly you’ve never been abused. Get off your high horse and stop replying with this drivel. Have a nice life.
@@missescookie "In sickness and in health” what a joke. Never ever again for me."
The guy is dead... your post is really strange. something is amiss. but we all must face our own reckoning .
48 yrs old married 23yrs. Sex only 2-3 times a year for 8-10 yrs. I've been a good boy. Its gotten old, embarrassing, and im tired of it. it's time to sub out. Whatever happens, happens. Im not living the last 20 or whatever years the same way ive spent the last 15
Make it her problem too. If she refuses negotiation, she refuses your terms for marriage.
Statistically speaking if women enjoy it, they sex drive is quite similar to men’s. I’d start by making her enjoy it more. Figure out what needs to happen that she craves it.
Negotiation needs to happen before marriage not only when a problem arises Protect the romance because unhappy wife = unhappy wife
I absolutely understand.
You think that if you followed Petersons "rules" this could have been avoided?
For what it's worth: as a woman of 61 who's in a terrible longterm relationship of 15 years and 4 months, I can honestly say: I really, really tried. But some people are damaged beyond normal communication. Every talk that lasts for more than 5 minutes, I get:"You always want big discussions!"
It took me those 15 years to realize my bf has partly a narcissistic personality disorder. It's his way or the highway, or rather: his way or getting shouted and sworn at. Until he nearly broke me into submission.
I decided it's over. He has to leave and live somewhere else. He nearly broke my spirit. It's not gonna happen.
As you say: I'm not going to spend the 20 or whatever time there's left in misery. It's more than OK to leave when there is NO intention to change, from your partner. It HAS to be a two way street.
I'm tired of being the one locomotive for two trains.
Take care.
Get another woman and just live your life
I married a man who was a closet drunk and abused the hell out of me, threw me down stairs, tackled me, choked me out while pregnant. I was so ill with Preeclampsia I was told I could not travel. My son arrived at 30 weeks. As soon as he was out of NICU I put my newborn in the car and drove a thousand miles north to home, to save our lives. My ex intended to kill me for the Life Insurance and already had planned his next wedding to his mistress. Divorce was my only option. While in theory young people should try harder and linger that advice does not apply in all cases.
Oddly, my very well bred Southern mother said, “Be a lady in the parlor, and a lady of the night in the bedroom.”😊
Bahahaha! I've heard a version of this: "chef in the kitchen, maid in the living room, and a whore in the bedroom" 😂
WOW--- she knew how to be a real woman! Shalom!
Curious you had to add very well bred in that statement.. Freudian
When you get older what matters the most is your family...The product of a life spent working at a marriage...still married to the same woman for 40yrs...have no regrets.
I wish my wife was as committed as yours. She is leaving me because I did not do enough things her way and because she feels that I don't value her contributions whenever I ask for a cleaner house or help with my responsibilities. I wish she would have never quit working because then her boss would be the one to ensure she gets her hours in and responsibilities taken care of. My wife is always willing to help out her mom or sister at the drop of a hat but anything I request has a 50% chance of getting done. I am the one working 60+ hours a week to pay for all my wife's needs, not her mom or sister in law.
@@nm9586 Hope it works out for you..for most of my life I was a farmer, married a girl who grew up on a farm....
I guess we both knew what to expect, farming is a tough life, good yrs, bad yrs..
..I often think most women would not have stayed with me through the economic hardships...
guess I have been fortunate..
We raised three children.Im retired now, but still keep busy ..farmers never really retire..I hope your wife can realize she already has a good husband...
You can't expect what you can't express...
@@krystlebatt2211 You’re spot on here. Nobody can read your mind and no one knows what’s bothering you unless you bring it up - and it depends on HOW you state your concerns too.
What a good sentence.
100% spot on.
He focus a lot on saving relationships. If there are no kids, it's probably not worth the hassle. Start afresh with someone better while trying to give the best version of yourself
Ex-wife surpsied me by saying she was done with the marriage over us wanting different things in life, but never explaining what those differences were or talking it out.
This is so true. I decided to make myself happy and to ride.this marriage out. It's not terrible, but temptations are everywhere. If I don't see this marriage out to the end, I will never know what to do in my next marriage or relationship. Besides I have hobbies and talents within myself that no marriage or relationship will ever develop. I need to develop and grow those things myself.
Two will be in the field, one will be taken and one left behind...let her free will decide.
How do we deal with the stigma surrounding divorce?
I’m in a 15 year relationship where we found the core of our problems rooted in developmental disorders that we addressed too late in the relationship.
She lacks the ability to have emotional reciprocity and cannot perform household chores. Cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, being a home maker. I’d spend a day cleaning the whole house after working over 60 hours and she’d spend 3 hours picking one load of dirty clothes out of our bedroom corner that literally touched the ceiling.
No time management. Late for everything. But again the biggest issue isn’t the extra load I have to carry, it’s the complete lack of reciprocation in the relationship.
I went off the deep end, had a long distance emotional affair. I broke it off a long time ago but I still think about her and the kind of life I should’ve had instead of feeling like I’ve been bamboozled.
I tried to work on things with her but I realize now there are things that just can’t change. I’ve had one foot out the door and thought she would grow up at some point and our intimacy would blossom. But sadly, that is just impossible because of who I am and what I need.
She can’t do what she needs to in order for me to fall in love. And she can’t force it to happen either. But we are married and I don’t want to be someone who can’t keep my word. But I don’t want either of us to be miserable, even if she claims to be happy with me.
Maybe id be a fool for leaving such a loyal and good woman, but I feel like I’m also a fool for marrying her in the first place. The truth came out too late after I impulsively pushed us into marriage after dating so long I couldn’t wait any more, either we get married and she straightens up or I have to go.
She would do anything to keep herself from being apart from me. In ways it’s been unhealthy and unnatural. In ways it’s sweet and sad at the same time.
I love her as a person, I care about her, I want her to be happy, and if she’s happy with me I want to give that to her, but I don’t know how to be happy myself in this relationship where my needs are void and I’m only here because she’s a good girl and I already said I do and she doesn’t have the mental fortitude to leave a cheater and I don’t have the mental fortitude to leave a handicapped person.
Classic codependent relationship. And you're right... unhealthy and sad for both of you. Lots of books written on this. Have you tried counseling?
I can’t be someone who can’t keep my word but I already cheated on my wife 😂 Marriage vows are to your wife and not for appearances and neighbours
@@hautecouture2228 try explaining that to a stupid 16 year old me lol. It’s all good we’re working it out. I cut the hand off that caused me to sin a while back and it hasn’t been painless but time has a way of healing us too.
Let me get this: you said she fails doing house chores. Does she also work to make money? You said you had an emotional affair, and that your wife doesn't reciprocate your emotional needs. What are those? I mean, is she handicapped or you actually never told her what being loved looks like for you?
I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, but sometimes people need different things to feel loved and what your wife needs isn't actually the same as what you need.
You said you "pushed her into marriage" - so there's the deal: she already showed you she wasn't ready for this kind of commitment and you hoped that you'd just throw her into the water and she'd magically learn how to swim?
Anyway, things already done, the part that confused me most is you wrote that she doesn't reciprocate emotionally and, in the same text, you said: "she would do anything to keep herself from being apart from me. In ways it’s been unhealthy and unnatural. In ways it’s sweet and sad at the same time." So... what's missing besides house chores, which you said you didn't care much about?
Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
Many spouses stayed far too long in marriages that were not working ... and murder was the end result.
People get divorced for many "reasons."
The subject is never "cut and dried."
Lots of people in unhappy marriages _don't_ murder their spouses, too. I'm pretty sure more than do.
@@harringt100 The following reminds me of what probably was meant to be a sardonic joke.
"Have you ever thought of getting a divorce?"
"Divorce? No. Murder ... YES."
@@harringt100 Do you think that people should stay in marriages when they "are" unhappy all the time?
Found out six years into the relationship she owed over 36,000. And moved in with me to disappear and married me had two children with me so that when we divorce should get more money. Within 3 Days of our separation I found out she was a lesbian despised men all along and I was merely a means to an end
Betrayal!!!! In that situation, there is nothing you can do. I feel your pain!
GOOD NEWS: She can't hide from the Judge of all. Eternity awaits for that POS.
That's really sad, man. I hope you recover :(
Love the music (and the content) - does that 'song' have a name?
Wonder what Dr. Peterson would say about marrying someone, who after some years develops multiple personality disorders,and becomes abusive, and cheats?
Unless youre marrying a child that not gonna happen -.-
He would likely say what he said--
"It's complicated."
And if you're in a relationship where there can be no negotiation, that's a problem.
@@Geardrive427-ip8vj and I think he would say your an antagonist!
He'd probably say your partner has developed B.P.D.
Obviously, he is addressing the multitude of marriages that have “solutions”, not the outliers. They probably should never have happened in the first place.
The commitment is rarely two ways. The problem with marriage now, and why I did not mary her is the automatic gain in net worth she has and the no cost and easy divorce. It's like subsidsidizing her to leave me. One put hundred of thousand and pension on the line and the other put a promise.
100%---they always seek a higher prize than you who took them to the dance = you were but a Uber.
Prenump \o/
The theory of all of this sounds ok, however, people rarely reveal their true selves until you live with them, and even then when there is a problem I agree honest dialogue can work but only if both parties are will to (a) actually dialogue and (b) actually be honest without resorting to cruelty to prove their point because human nature will always come down on the side of protecting yourself/your feelings and when cornered into a 'frank and honest discussion' especially if there has been infidelity etc people will always try to defend there actions. Then unless you can overcome it, it can and often does become death by a thousand paper cuts - insults/backhanded compliments/criticism/on and on until - and very often there is one partner willing to actually work on problems/issues etc and one looking for an excuse to go because they really are not invested maybe they never really were and were caught up in the anticipation of soemthing that never materialised who knows so though I am sure JP and his wife didn't have an easy time with this perhaps the fact that they were both willing to participate and had a will to be together made a lot of difference - that has not been my experience personally not with people I have encountered through my life.....................and I agree with many of the comments below trust is a massive issue and not just when related to infidelity but that of course is a massive issue because of the damage it does to both parties actually but especially the person not commiting the adultery.........
What's the background music?
Spot on as usual ❤❤
how about the cultivation of narcissism in women nowadays. Men have to be everything for them and soon as they cannot do it all they leave.
Jordans daughter being the case in point. Jordy created a dragon of chaos
@@nialllappin4159 Why?
Negotiation cant fix when the grass looks greener over the fence.
High % of divorces are not all lack of negotiation.
Didn’t Jordan say in one of his talks .. male / female relationships are in effect the beauty and the beast story … well sometimes if you live with a beast long enough, it does rub off on you … and perhaps we all have some of the beauty and some of the beast .. if you can balance that equation with someone you might make it work .
A major issue is that what passes for marriage in modern times is not marriage in any real way. It's entirely dependent on the woman's whims, or being generous, her good will. She has options to just leave, and women do 75% of the time. This would not be nearly as bad if it weren't still treated as if marriages end because men are deadbeats and dogs and run off with their secretary. Society is fundamentally broken and we're not looking to one half of humans to do anything whatsoever to address societal dysfunction.
Oh, you again.
Would you like to be with a woman that doesn't leave you just because she's not allowed to by law enforcement?
What people with money never acknowledge is that people without money crunch the numbers and come to the conclusion that it is financially impossible to have two separate households on the amount of income generated by each of them, so they have to stay together regardless of their feelings towards each other. Divorce is an option for the affluent. The rest have to make a decision if they want to spend the rest of their lives in a basement apartment.
Dear Jordan Pietersen please DO NOT BLASPHEME.
His name is Jewrdan Peterstein.
Yeah dude youse took the words right out of my mouth. Peterson's blasphemy ruined an otherwise interesting video!
@@spiritualantiseptic Oh, I wish.
Really? 😮
Married or not anyone can walk away at any time
Our desires become twisted and grow into all sorts of monsterous underground forms... Or so he said. Yes dear... You look good in chains in the cage in the basement and I will dress up as the executioner... Oh my. Don't threaten me with a good time. And it just gets worse from there. Jordan Peterson was correct... and women have some of these quirks as well. That is why I told my woman, Its not wedding rings its wedding chains. I am going to find a preacher who is a welder and we will be stuck together FOREVER! And when one of us croaks, they will have to throw the other one in on top in the same box and screw it shut... Together in the afterlife also.
The Mormons have celestial marriage as well.
Well, I hope you love each other forever :D
I think Peterson over generalizes and projects his own experience and expectations into his advice. He's also very old fashioned there was a time people needed permission from the church to even get a divorce it was a sin to break vowes and women had to promise to obey etc. Women now raised to be independent and have self respect won't tolerate extra marital affairs or domestic violence and just keep smiling and breeding and being treated like a slave especially by the modern men that want to remain immature and don't contribute anything of interest to a mature woman they will be incomparable intellectually it's not enough for the man to just have a job to provide financially if he's degrading to his spouse and can't even carry on a conversation or amuse her what motivation would she have to endure a commitment to that?
All this is bullshit
Why? Usually because a woman believes the grass is greener on the other side.
Much like Jordans daughter
What color is $?
Marriage is a Godly institution. People have to know that a marriage based in the threefold chord works. A twofold marriage will always fail whether it ends in a divorce or no.
Much like Jordans daughter getting divorced
Abstinence is SANITY.
There was a state that was going to change divorce settlements to the wife wouldn't get so much there was a sudden rush of women filing for divorce before the cut off date; women divorce for the MONEY.
From what I hear and see it’s usually when the woman wants the money and assets he’s worked for for herself.
I think the main question should be not why people get divorced, but but why woman get divorced. Man rarely if ever get divorced, and in that case a woman seriously fucked up.
And the answer is as often complex, but the main reason is because woman are biologically destined to be only loyal to the highest level male, they could attract.
As being not loyal or divorce has no social stigma anymore, women become financially independent and sexually liberated,there's no need to stay with a good providing, but maybe not that attraktive or boring husband.
So basically unlimited Hyperämie is the problem of today's marriages, as most men and women are average, but average women want superior men.
Hypergamie
I am frankly surprised that a leading psychologist would take such a naive approach to divorce in this video. As a man, perhaps he is thinking with his rational male brain. If he has half the experience he claims to have, he should know that you can not negotiate with some one who has an irrational mind. And the unfortunate truth is that women, in large numbers, will act out in highly irrational ways. And then they will use their go to tactics, reinforcing their irrational feelings, by involving toxic lawyers, toxic girl friends, second string lovers eagerly waiting their turn up to bat, and of course the highly toxic family law system. You are an absolute fool if you think you are going to negotiate your way thru this giant mud pie. Its really sad that people don't recognize the truth, because until then, you are not fixing anything.
Love and loyalty have little to do with the “rational mind” you attribute to males. That men can barely see with only one eye is a problem. That women can barely see, but have two functioning eyes, is another. Love is simply another form of sight entirely out of the limited “box” of reason.
Its even funnier because his daughter got a divorce 🤣🤣
You seem hurt, man. What happened to you?
@@nialllappin4159 And remarried. So what?
@@erachmah The truth has nothing to do with feelings. Reality, is just truth playing out.
My husband and I are not perfect. We argue. I would miss miss him if he were gone. Why get married in the first place if you're not best friends. Stop with the trashing of marriage.
You do not know of the battle being raged when you marry one that has one goal = to attack and destroy you very soul.
YES--they exist...I know I lived it.
nah,... int never had one of them,....
Jordan Peterson please take up smoking cigars and drink some whiskey so that your voice becomes a little bit deeper. It'll give the perception of more Authority when you speak
Long term partnering and marriage are a construct of old-world living. It was a necessity back then. Now it isn't.
For those who still wish to be monogamous and paired up, go for it. But it's not a natural state for humans, not any more.
The biggest factor is that people simply change. We all do. And if you're building a life with someone and they or you change, that makes it super hard to keep going.
If you married narcissist there is no way you can negotiate. You will get divorce or just stay in marriage but without any interaction. I personally choose second. I am in marriage with narcisst but because we have kids i decided that divorce is bad idea. I just dont talk to him period, we sleep apart, we eat apart. I am faitfull i dont have any sexual interaction with anybody i choose yo be celibate. But he has his concubine. I dont care about it either. Only thing i want and wait when kids will be over 18 so finally i can leave this terrible person.
I don't want to mess with you, but I believe you are hurting your kids just as bad. I don't know how are things in the comunity you live in, but you're setting an exemple of what marriage is like for them - they KNOW there is no love, they KNOW you've been abused, and they learned that (a) marriage isn't worth it; or worse, (b) that's how marriage should be like.
Divorce is devastating, but living with such a horrible person is too. Hope you find your happiness.
So why did his daughter divorce her first husband? Jordan wasn't able to help his daughter to stay married to #1 hubby.
How can Jordan Peterson help his daughter with anything when he can face to face talk to her about marrying a / whore…his words.
She's her own person.
Jordan's great, but your graphics blow.
What is amazing is he only addresses heterosexual marriage, right? And also , he in effect insults his own clients in this rant. Maybe it is just junk theory that he has no evidence to support it. Jordan is a Frasier Crane wannabe. He is an entertainer not a psychologist. Because he sells books and videos and lectures, THAT IS NOT THERAPY. He needs to address his bad conduct in courts in the case of Case 1 Sordi v. Sordi, 2009 CanLII 80104 (ON SC) he defamed a parent in court. In the case 2 R. v. Pearce, 2012 MBQB 22 (CanLII) he tried to free a murderer. Then in the case Peterson v. College of Psychologists of Ontario, 2023 ONSC 4685, he tried to avoid taking responsibility. He also tried to interfere in a family court case in Montana, the Kolstadt case, where there was a GAG order, he unprofessionally diagnosed a minor without interviews or assessments, and tried to defend unfit parents.
I believe the intent with the videos is not to be therapy. I read his book, the shallowest one (12 rules for life) and was pleasantly surprised by its depth and spot on comments on how to get things done and try to be happy.
Also, the things he said are, yes, directed to heterosexual relationships, maybe because he doesn't know much about homosexual ones, and/or isn't interested in them.
Anyway, I, as a jewish woman, believe everybody has feminine and masculine traits inside themselves (we all have female and male sephiroth and that doesn't have anything to do with sexual orientation), so yeah, relationships require negotiation and each one knowing what they want and what they can give up on.
@@erachmah So as you said he is only interested in heterosexual relationships. But that means it is a BIAS. And When he was BIASED in court he was thrown out because of it. Since it has been publicly acceptable policy for same sex marriages since 2005 in Canada, and 2015 in the US, and 2013 in the UK, and only in Israel is it not recognized. So if Jordan is going to be BIASED then he better make that up front.
@@stevengoldstein114 I think those are non related. Something being legal (a) doesn't mean it's gonna interest everyone (like, are you aware of every new law that emerges in your city? If not, it's because you aren't interested in those) or (b) make every rulling under this law right (let's remember Nazzi Germany, shall we?).
Another thing is bias: every humanity fields are biased. Let's stop pretending. He's not addressing something that might interest you, but you are free to find people who do. Plus, most couples are heterosexual, so more people are interested in this kind of content.
About the Canadian law that enforces gender-prefered calling: I believe it provoked the exact opposite effect it intended. JP got famous for opposing it as censorship - and I agree with him, sort of - but I'd oppose it because it backfires BADLY.
@@erachmah First, The legal cases prove intentional misconduct by misrepresenting expert testimony. Second, Psychology is NOT a humanity it is a social science, it is a science. Finally, to practice psychology with a bias to heterosexuality is a violation of the code of ethics in Canada. And Jordan is far more fascistic then the public policies.
Have some gin and tonic❤❤🎉🎉
Sometimes Jordan Peterson makes a lot of sense… sometimes he speaks total nonsense… this is nonsense.
I got divorced bc my then husband served me with divorce papers.
That's a very good reason.
A great evil is dissatisfaction. Divorce is a great evil in the church along with remarriage adultery.
Jordans daughter committed great evil then
Only the Father can judge "remarriage" because one of the two decided to toss the other away.
Marriage is a vow on His name so one is responsible for that demise -- the other was a victim if he/she was devote.
@mikejohn0088 God has already spoken. If you engage in it, you are practicing adultery. If the other sinned, it does not give you the right to sin as well. You go to the same hell as them. Don't so it. It is not worth trading in your salvation and falling short of grace.
@@SaanichtonMinistries There is but ONE Judge and I am ready to face Him. Why? Because He loves me as He did David.
I fought the wars the demons raged on me and I won because I was chosen... and I still am BUT the battle continues with those like you.
@mikejohn0088 we are commanded not to think more highly if ourselves than we ought. David's sun resulted in death and trouble, including a divided Kingdom.
VIRGIN
you mean you should be virgin
27 M virgin.
@@JACOPO.OFFICIEL how do u know i'm 27
@@koetje071 No I am 27.
Are you too ?
@@JACOPO.OFFICIEL yes lol thought u hacked my computer or something. im not a virgin though
Turns out she is a psychopath.
:( and psychopaths tend to be VERY seductive.
Pipe dream. Dogs make me much happier and there is no lying and cheating and MANipulating. woof!