I want to say thank you for the work you do. I found your channel researching for my first soundbar purchase, your Sonos Arc review I believe. Your detailed evaluations, discussion of features, comparisons to similar products, and actual test clips really set you apart and above some other popular reviewers. Your humor is the icing on the cake. I was considering much pricier options like the Sonos Arc plus sub, Samsung Q990B and Klipsch Cinema 1200, but ultimately I decided to gamble on the value the Cinema 600 seemed to present, especially at Prime Day pricing of $399. Thus far I am very impressed. Thank you again. I look forward to your future content.
Excellent review as always! Thanks for the small shoutout at the start haha. You beat me by literally a day or 2 for this review. Mine will be up Sunday morning.
Both of you are fans of Sonos and I got the Arc, Sub and 2 SL Ones based on your reviews. I’m curious if you would do a comparison between the Sony HT A9 system with the upgraded Sub against the Sonos system? Several reviews are pretty hot on the HT A9 right now.
Hi Daniel, been watching your videos for a while and thought I’d finally comment. Thank you for putting out such humorously informative reviews. Something about your delivery is comedic gold but you also seem far more honest and believable than some of the other more pretentious sound bar reviews (I won’t name names but you can probably guess who I’m talking about…). Keep up the brilliant content and I hope you get a Sony HT-A7000 in for review at some point as it’s gotten some great written reviews/seems to be the fit for gamers with its hdmi 2.1 functions. Stay safe and I look forward to seeing more of your excellent work.
I’ve been getting a lot of requests for Sonys two latest home audio offerings. So they’re being highly considered. Appreciate your comment. It means a lot!
@@neverenoughtech Hi Daniel I have been following your reviews for a very long time and consider them one of the best. Yesterday finally I received my JBL 9.1 sound bar wich I bought from Amazon for a very good price since it was a open box item. I am just waiting for the arrival of my new center cabinet to install everything at once’s. The size of the room I am going to install this sound bar is 15ft wide, the ceiling has 9ft height and it’s 21ft long and has a rectangular shape with no openings. Now comes the one million dollar question. Do you think its should be a good idea to sell my JBL sound bar to buy the Sonos arc with the gen 3 subwoofer and a pair of SL ones rear speakers in order to try to achieve what most sound bars experts consider the best overall sound bar system of the market? The Sonos its going to cost me twice the money compared to what I already paid for my JBL., do you think the difference in overall sound quality between this two sound bars justified the investment? For personal preferrence I am much more interested in the quality of the sound of the music rather than their atmos special movies effects. Thanks in advance for your honest answer to this question.
@@neverenoughtechso is it still buggy with Samsung TV even after apps updates and is jbl 1300x maybe a better choice because I love jbl 9.1 but looking for something louder and over all better
@@neverenoughtech for the value I would give to Samsung. And I'm a huge Klipsch fan, and what upsets me more is all that delay and they still messed up
I had Klipsch Cinema 800 - amazing bass and sound (I love techno/trance/hip hop). The whole floor vibrates. I returned it due to constant software issues and Bluetooth not working. I got Samsung samsung hw-q990b. Nice sound and more immersive/surround but compared to Klipsch - no bass at all and doesn't have that punch/oomph which really gets me. I returned Samsung Q990B as well and now I have no speakers :) I prefer Klipsch Cinema 800 over Samsung and will go back to Klipsch when I'm sure they fixed their software and Bluetooth issues. Does anyone if other speakers would be similar to Klipsch in terms of sound? I'm not confident that Sonos or Boss can reproduce the sound Klipsch cinema has either. JBL seems like they would have comparable bass, but I'm not sure if it can reproduce vocals and other sound just as well. I'm not sure if Sony or Sennheiser would be good options?
I had the Q990B as it was cheaper than the Cinema 800 at the time and sounded amazing. After many listening tests in stores it's the only Samsung model that has a subwoofer I'd consider adequate. Four months later the constant sub and surround dropout issues with the Q990B became too much to bear. I returned it and got the Cinema 800 which is now slightly cheaper so got a small refund as well. It's on the latest firmware (MCU 119, DSP 5.6 , WiFi 1.0.219) and it's very stable - I've been running it for hours on end for several weeks now with no drop-outs, HDMI issues or problems with Cast, Airplay or Spotify support. Bluetooth range is bad when using WiFi but I have Ethernet available and connecting that fixes it. The remote can also be a bit laggy at times but it's not that bad an issue. The Samsung had a slightly more immersive surround, but the Cinema 800 still very good and in fact has clearer surrounds in my opinion. It's certainly close enough and the bass is absolutely thunderous.
I experienced those many extra channels from Samsung vs the 5.1.4. While definitely more immersive, I thought it wasn't a huge deal vs 5.1.4, since 5.1.4 already offers amazing immersion. The thing that bothers me about this soundbar is not the bugs. On sale now for 1k I wish it had dtsx support. I don't care much about dts sound, but dtsx was pretty cool on the q990b.
Lol I completely respect the self awareness since I did watch those reviews first and decided to watch his mostly curious to see if the app had been updated yet
Great review. Very humorous. Been waiting for this review for a long time. In my region klipsch is twice the price of q950a. So i think I ll go with the Samsung.
This is not a soundbar!!! It's a home theater system 🤯🤯🤯 nothing comes close. If they fix the bugs and enable manual eq/channel control, it'll be a hot cake!!!
Man your reviews are the most legit there is!! Love em! Have you considered reviewing the Denon soundbar 550 or maybe one of the Harman Kardon citation soundbars? 😎
Thanks! Yes, considered but at this very moment my efforts will be best spent weighing in on Sonys/Bose offerings. But I got a running list of these other bars to eventually get to
I listen to you talking about true hd and ddplus atmos, still don't know how many people can't tell the difference. Some treat you like you're crazy, like it is impossible to tell a difference...
I watched your review a second time to ensure that I did a fair comparison (Andrew and Jonah) of the available information. I had ruled out the 1200 and now it's back on the table. Again good work...
I think it’s reasonable to wait for updates and price drops - my Samsung tv is still causing it fits (use Apple TV as an input to bypass the issues) - but otherwise I’m still using it as my living room sound system. I dig the sound for sure
I have this system coming in a few days. Anybody know what speaker stands I can use for the surround speakers? I’m new to audio, coming from a 6 year old Klipsch R-4B soundbar system
I've been scouring soundbar reviews since the beginning of the lockdown. Alas, I wound up realizing I wanted a music focused AVR system with HDMI switching and auto mic-based calibration, so I bit the bullet and bought audio separates. I somehow kept the cost below a top of the line soundbar system by reusing my subwoofer and sourcing used center and surround speakers. I'd tell most people to do the same if space and complexity wasn't an issue.
Unfortunately Daniel, space is what is forcing even staunch audiophiles to go the soundbar route, i would love nothing more than a proper avr setup but space is not on my side !
@@bharadghost It's fortunate that sound bars are getting very good. I wish there was a way to properly audition them before buying. Listening to carefully prepared sampler tracks just doesn't overcome buying inertia for me.
@@neverenoughtech 950 A better! I have Amber! And I compared it with the 950A! And I really like Samsung in the movies a lot more than Amber! I tried to connect the REL 9ti to Ambeo and it did not give an increase in sound due to the strange disconnection of the midrange frequencies when used together with the sub! without a sub, Ambeo has a weak bass, no matter how advertised it is!) Samsung are just great at giving out such a sound for such a price!
@@brothachuck6682 I had Klipsch Cinema 800 - amazing bass and sound (I love techno/trance/hip hop). The whole floor vibrates. I returned it due to constant software issues and Bluetooth not working. I got Samsung samsung hw-q990b. Nice sound and more immersive/surround but compared to Klipsch - no bass at all and doesn't have that punch/oomph which really gets me. I returned Samsung Q990B as well. Now I have no speakers :) I prefer Klipsch Cinema 800 over Samsung and will go back to Klipsch when I'm sure they fixed their software and Bluetooth issues. Does anyone if other speakers would be similar to Klipsch in terms of sound? I'm not confident that Sonos or Boss can reproduce that bass and sound of Klipsch cinema 800 either
hi great review...Question if money was not an issue would you recommend this Klipsch Cinema 1200 vs Sonos ARC / 2 Gen 3 subs ? and a pair of fives for rears......i am very curious on your thoughts.....cheers from Canada
Hey Daniel I decided to go back-and-forth between Soundchecks on this review for the Klipsch 1200 and the soundcheck of the Q950A Samsung and I am keep wondering if I’m hearing a warm deep rich type sound Tones really not the bass) with the Klipsch, where on the Samsung I get a bit higher tingly words and sounds flying all around the room - seems more sub-mursive. Can you let me know if you found this? Because when I heard it in your videos on the Madmax clips, (going back and forth over and over between the Sammy and Klipsch) there was a very metallic deep steel type thuds surrounding you with the Klipsch versus tinny twinkly type sound all around your ears on the Samsung? This may not make sense…..I swear it’s just a few warm tones which are just barely covering you in Atmos effect that surround you, (Klipsch) vs sparkles tingle type Atmos sprinkling all around you in the other. (Samsung) Classic vs new age feel? Your feedback sounds would be invaluable to me. Thx.
So … I have three floors saturated with audio. The first and second I have Sonos everywhere. Not because I think they sound the best but because of the ecosystem and elegance. It’s a new house but in the basement where I have a projector set up I’m rolling with the Klipsch 1200 - I preferred the sound I’ve r the Q950A and it supports dual subs. I’ll convert it to something proper over time. My point is that it’s a big deal for me to permanently set up something other than Sonos. That being said the 1200 is an unfinished bar from a features and bug ridding perspective. I use it for a very narrow purpose of cinema in the basement. The Q950A is much more technologically advanced and complete. My recording room was different when recording the A and 1200. I’m gonna be more consistent from now on. The 1200 was recorded is a much bigger space allowing the sound to breath. The A in a room that might be more conducive for Atmos. I’m recording in the new place a room that is fairly large and regular with 4 regular walls so that should assist in comparisons moving forward. Hope this helps
Interested to know the size of the room that you tested this in. Also is this room closed off or are there any open spaces? My living room has standard 8ft ceilings but there is open space behind my sofa leading intot he dinning and kitchen area. Im wondering if there is a chance of loosing the atmos affects.
The best case is medium to large enclosed room. Open spaces and irregular surfaces all diminishes the precision. Though it seems like your space is fairly conducive for reasonable casual at-home Atmos … as sounds like you have room to space the rear speakers behind you. I have 10 ceilings and open space to the side of me. I don’t have a perfect listening room but I can compare the relative effectiveness of the bars
Thank you for your details review and your honest opinion. 👍🏼😃 Can I ask if it true for soundbar with large speaker size produce great quality sound? Example like Sennheiser Ambeo, Samsung q950a and of course cinema 1200 with large speaker.
All three of those systems give you really nice sound. Sennheiser cost the most and doesn’t have a sub nor surrounds but it may be the best standalone bar l. For best sound you want a traditional setup. But it’s clunky and can cost a whole lot depending on how fancy you want to get
@@neverenoughtech Thank you and appreciate for your advice. 👍🏼 😃 I still prefer wireless, either go for q950a or cinema 1200. Sennheiser ambeo over my budget although i like the clean setup without additional surround and sub.
Hi. I recently bought Cinema 1200. I hear no or very low sound until I set volume to 45+ which is almost the half of the 100 max volume in the soundbar. Not sure if it’s the expected behavior or it is just me. Considering the 1200 watt soundbar, the volume is very low. Have you or someone else have experienced the same? My brother has cinema 800 and he has the same issue. I previously had JBL 5.1 Soundbar and had quite sufficient sound volume at 16+.
Samsung/JBL makes the sound go up very quickly. I frequently have the Klipsch at 70 or so for movies so yes I think it’s fair that a 30 on Klipsch is not the same as Samsung … but I do think ilKliosch can get plenty loud in the 80+ range. I don’t see that being a volume in a normal kind of space that would not be sufficient … consider it as you get more incrikents of sound volume on Klipsch which I find to be a benefit
Man that leather cushioning table or whatever is called is exactly the same stitching and leather as a similar item I have at home. Have you got that at costco? ahaha
@@neverenoughtech turns out the nakamichi is available for purchase still. I just can't. I think for that money I would start building something else, even if having to pay more. Then again I'll see once you get it, since there's not a single honest review as of today. I know people have to be careful on how to say things on youtube, but still, for now it has been nothing but nakamichi propaganda.
Funny you ask. I had a little section at the end addressing this but I cut it. Sonos is the most elegant and reliable solution - and I think sounds really refined. I only have Sonos in my family spaces. If you are talking big quality cinematic sound as the #1 priority - probably don’t go Sonos - even though it’s more than good enough for that purpose.
@@neverenoughtech I like the ease of use of the Sonos app and the ability to add more speakers makes me lean more towards the Arc, but I'm all for big sound so I may have to consider the Klipsch 1200
I’m gonna use the 1200 in the basement of my new house. Gonna set up a short term projector space (home theater ) before getting it finished. I like the idea of separating from the upstairs which will be 100% Sonos ecosystem.
Hi Daniel! Can I do this? This is what I plan to do next week once I buy my new 85" LG or Samsung Television. Can I connect 2 corded subs and 2 cordless subs for a Quadrophonic woofer settings?!? Is it possible to connect 4 pieces of Surround 3 Speakers?!? 2 at my sides and 2 at my rear................. Surround 3 Speakers R-80SWI Wireless Subwoofer R-12SW 400w 12" Subwoofer (Corded RCA) I am expecting an answer from you!
As far as I am aware you can keep adding subs as long as there is a sub out port - you can get wireless subs but would still need to plug the wireless module in the sub out. The only way to get 4 subs would be to buy at least one other sub with a sub out. One sub would plug into the 1200’s offered sub and then one would be plugged into the bar sub out and another plugged into the sub that’s the plugged in the bar. There is no option for pairing additional surrounds
@@neverenoughtech Maybe an update of the software or firmware in the future for additional side speakers of the Surround 3 do you think? Connecting the 4 subwoofers got me confused. So you mean One of the wireless woofers should have a sub out? One of the corded woofer will be connected to the woofer out of the sound bar, then the other corded woofer to the sub out of another woofer and from that woofer the cable goes to the sub out of the woofer connected to the sound bar. DID I UNDERSTOOD IT RIGHT?
Hi DANIEL. REALLY NEED YOUR HELP. JUST TOOK THE SAMSUNG 950QT BACK TO STORE AS YOUR REVIEW WAS RIGHT ON THE FLAWS YOU SPIKE ABOUT IN YOUR REVIEW. WAS THINKIJG OF GETTING THE SONOS ARC. WHICH WOULD YOU GET IF I WAS GETTING A SOUNDBAR. IS THERE ANOTHER SOUNDBAR SIMILAR TO SONOS SOUNDBAR IN PRICE TGAT IS BETTER OR SHOULD I GET THE SONOS ? THANK YOU
If you took the Samsung back due to flaws, I would consider the Arc. Sonos is my home audio system - primarily because all aspects of it are well refined sound->experience and leads to the fewest headaches. If you are looking to use a soundbar for HDMI inputs the Arc is not the bar for you. All the other soundbars are gonna give you some kind of a headache due to bugs and usability flaws but I would consider the Bose 900 if looking for a decent bar similar in price. Though can’t promise you won’t get any fewer headaches than the Q950T … find my Bose 700 trouble shooting video (the number of views is not a good look for Bose) - sounds nice though
Bought the soundbar oktober 2021. Had an amazing sound experience. In march 2022 sended it to the repair shop. No more sound from all speakers. And a strange noice came out of the center soundbar. Still waiting for the new one to be deliverd... What a shame of Klipsch!!
January the 6th 2023 got the new cinema 1200 deliverd. Hope it will last for longer time. In the mean time had a loaner device the samsung Q950A Was a decend soundbar. Only thing that botters was the screen on top and not in the front. And the bass was less then with the 1200 soundbar. Now i need to get used to the klipsch cinema 1200 the vocals are not that loud. Bass is verry loud. You like it or not.
ok how about the SONY HT-A9....or the Sennheiser Ambeo with a SVS SB3000 sub....or the Samsung Q950A......movies and tv shows 95% of the time and music 5% of the time
If you want to keep the experience bone shaking and highly spatial go Samsung, Want most refined experience with really good sound - Sonos. High fidelity sennheiser. Haven’t heard the Sony but will definitely need sub and surrounds to keep up with Sammy- Samsung I’m sure is the best sound /$
Wondering how many systems you had to get because these things break like crazy… almost everyone I know that has one has had to get multiple systems to get one that worked correctly. So many connection issues and dropouts.
FYI your using the word passthrough kinda wrong. When people refer to passthrough with eARC/soundbars that means you have the TV set to pass the audio through it to the soundbar via eARC. So you would have ATV4K > TV > soundbar via eARC, I think you are using it to mean ATV4K > soundbar > TV.
Uhhh … I think I’m using it right. Passthrough means you can get the audio source straight to the bar (avoiding the TVs funny business) and the video gets passed through via ARC/eARC so you can watch the video. Saying something like 8K passthrough makes little sense if 8k video is passed to the bar and not the other way around
@@neverenoughtech what your saying makes sense in terms of the soundbar itself, but that’s not what people think when you say ‘passthrough’. If you look in a bunch of TVs sound settings that have eARC, you will see settings called enable ‘Passthrough’ and that’s so you can bitstream lossless codecs to the bar via eARC. Your just referring to the fact the bar has like an HDMI hub/switcher like you find AVRs.
I scoured the comments when i saw "Appletv passthrough" in the video..😁 even went to my aptv4k settings to see if a recent update was done to allow passthrough. Thanks for clearing this up and being receptive to correct info.
I talk about changes in this video … Samsung Q990B v. Sonos Arc System v. Sony HTA9 w/ SASW5 v. Klipsch Cinema 1200 - Ranked ua-cam.com/video/Ympy-ECy6uQ/v-deo.html
Imagine calling your model “cinema” series and lack DTS support.. wtf!? I can live with lack of tech features and app EQs etc if you’re just putting out a quality speakers for home theatre. I can even live with lack of great height or Atmos ability if it offered great sounding audio and 5.1 surround sound. I can’t live with no DTS though, I own too many Blu-ray’s. It just seems crazy to me how bad Klipsch dropped the ball given their connection to home theatre . This is coming from someone who had a 7.1 Klipsch home theatre set up.
I bought the Klipsch 1200 soundbar a year and a half ago and it burned up already. The capacitors went bad. Cheap China made caps. For $1800 it is junk. never worked right. Going back to a AV receiver and tower speakers. Waste of money.
This systems hype died real quick. Klipsch thought they had it all in the bag…lmao. Still better options out there. Klipsch needs to stick with home-theater equipment and get out of soundbar world.
@@neverenoughtech yeah...klipsch thought by slapping their name on a box would help boast amazing quality, and performance. andew robinson had a video about the 1200 and klipsch's response to him, when andrew reached out to ask a question, was so arrogant - it was pretty obnoxious to see that.
I was taking this one pretty seriously but there is a consistent stream of bad reviews about this system. Connectivity problems, system locking up, so i'll stay away.
The 💩 hit the fan for me after it’s first major update. Since there have been the requisite firmware updates and OTA updates have been restored along with better app support … it’s not nearly as bad as it was but I understand the hesitancy
Man it was worth the wait for this thing I grabbed mine for $800 and no software issues so far wooohooo
same
I want to say thank you for the work you do. I found your channel researching for my first soundbar purchase, your Sonos Arc review I believe. Your detailed evaluations, discussion of features, comparisons to similar products, and actual test clips really set you apart and above some other popular reviewers. Your humor is the icing on the cake. I was considering much pricier options like the Sonos Arc plus sub, Samsung Q990B and Klipsch Cinema 1200, but ultimately I decided to gamble on the value the Cinema 600 seemed to present, especially at Prime Day pricing of $399. Thus far I am very impressed. Thank you again. I look forward to your future content.
Excellent review as always! Thanks for the small shoutout at the start haha. You beat me by literally a day or 2 for this review. Mine will be up Sunday morning.
Look forward to it
Both of you are fans of Sonos and I got the Arc, Sub and 2 SL Ones based on your reviews. I’m curious if you would do a comparison between the Sony HT A9 system with the upgraded Sub against the Sonos system? Several reviews are pretty hot on the HT A9 right now.
This was honestly one of the best overall experience/reviews I came across thank you so much!
Glad to hear - I think this was one of my least popular reviews so glad it found an audience
The 1200 is on sale right now (12-29-23) for $799. FOr that price, why not, ecen over the Samsung Q950a ?
Question am I able to add an extra subwoofer to this system if I wanted to ?
Yes … add a powered sub via sub out
Hi Daniel, been watching your videos for a while and thought I’d finally comment. Thank you for putting out such humorously informative reviews. Something about your delivery is comedic gold but you also seem far more honest and believable than some of the other more pretentious sound bar reviews (I won’t name names but you can probably guess who I’m talking about…). Keep up the brilliant content and I hope you get a Sony HT-A7000 in for review at some point as it’s gotten some great written reviews/seems to be the fit for gamers with its hdmi 2.1 functions. Stay safe and I look forward to seeing more of your excellent work.
I’ve been getting a lot of requests for Sonys two latest home audio offerings. So they’re being highly considered. Appreciate your comment. It means a lot!
@@neverenoughtech Hi Daniel I have been following your reviews for a very long time and consider them one of the best. Yesterday finally I received my JBL 9.1 sound bar wich I bought from Amazon for a very good price since it was a open box item. I am just waiting for the arrival of my new center cabinet to install everything at once’s. The size of the room I am going to install this sound bar is 15ft wide, the ceiling has 9ft height and it’s 21ft long and has a rectangular shape with no openings. Now comes the one million dollar question. Do you think its should be a good idea to sell my JBL sound bar to buy the Sonos arc with the gen 3 subwoofer and a pair of SL ones rear speakers in order to try to achieve what most sound bars experts consider the best overall sound bar system of the market? The Sonos its going to cost me twice the money compared to what I already paid for my JBL., do you think the difference in overall sound quality between this two sound bars justified the investment? For personal preferrence I am much more interested in the quality of the sound of the music rather than their atmos special movies effects. Thanks in advance for your honest answer to this question.
@@neverenoughtechso is it still buggy with Samsung TV even after apps updates and is jbl 1300x maybe a better choice because I love jbl 9.1 but looking for something louder and over all better
What are the best sound setting recommendations.
I still think the q900a or 950a is a better buy and sounds better and I wanted the Klipsch so bad but I couldn't wait. Love their design though.
Hard to argue with about the better buy.
@@neverenoughtech for the value I would give to Samsung. And I'm a huge Klipsch fan, and what upsets me more is all that delay and they still messed up
I have the Samsung hw-q950a. I can hear it very well, but I CAN'T FEEL IT 😢. Thinking about trying the Klipsch.
@@brothachuck6682 careful with the Klipsch the app is not that good. Maybe try the LG 95qr. Did you do the calibration
I had Klipsch Cinema 800 - amazing bass and sound (I love techno/trance/hip hop). The whole floor vibrates. I returned it due to constant software issues and Bluetooth not working. I got Samsung samsung hw-q990b. Nice sound and more immersive/surround but compared to Klipsch - no bass at all and doesn't have that punch/oomph which really gets me. I returned Samsung Q990B as well and now I have no speakers :)
I prefer Klipsch Cinema 800 over Samsung and will go back to Klipsch when I'm sure they fixed their software and Bluetooth issues.
Does anyone if other speakers would be similar to Klipsch in terms of sound? I'm not confident that Sonos or Boss can reproduce the sound Klipsch cinema has either. JBL seems like they would have comparable bass, but I'm not sure if it can reproduce vocals and other sound just as well. I'm not sure if Sony or Sennheiser would be good options?
I had the Q990B as it was cheaper than the Cinema 800 at the time and sounded amazing. After many listening tests in stores it's the only Samsung model that has a subwoofer I'd consider adequate.
Four months later the constant sub and surround dropout issues with the Q990B became too much to bear. I returned it and got the Cinema 800 which is now slightly cheaper so got a small refund as well. It's on the latest firmware (MCU 119, DSP 5.6 , WiFi 1.0.219) and it's very stable - I've been running it for hours on end for several weeks now with no drop-outs, HDMI issues or problems with Cast, Airplay or Spotify support. Bluetooth range is bad when using WiFi but I have Ethernet available and connecting that fixes it. The remote can also be a bit laggy at times but it's not that bad an issue.
The Samsung had a slightly more immersive surround, but the Cinema 800 still very good and in fact has clearer surrounds in my opinion. It's certainly close enough and the bass is absolutely thunderous.
I experienced those many extra channels from Samsung vs the 5.1.4. While definitely more immersive, I thought it wasn't a huge deal vs 5.1.4, since 5.1.4 already offers amazing immersion. The thing that bothers me about this soundbar is not the bugs. On sale now for 1k I wish it had dtsx support. I don't care much about dts sound, but dtsx was pretty cool on the q990b.
You have got to review Sony HT A9 and A7000!!
This seems to be what people are saying
I would like to see a review on the Bose 900
soundbar
Lol I completely respect the self awareness since I did watch those reviews first and decided to watch his mostly curious to see if the app had been updated yet
What do you think about the klipsch 800?
Do you think reviewing Sony HT a9 worth it? I'm curious, but I don't really know if it is more a soundbar or a tradicional HT.
I’m curious … I’ll get to it. I think it’s trying to eat sb market share
@@neverenoughtech nice, I'll wait for your opinion and price drops. 😄
Great review. Very humorous. Been waiting for this review for a long time. In my region klipsch is twice the price of q950a. So i think I ll go with the Samsung.
Hard to argue with that choice
This is not a soundbar!!! It's a home theater system 🤯🤯🤯 nothing comes close. If they fix the bugs and enable manual eq/channel control, it'll be a hot cake!!!
Please will you review the LG sp9ya and the Bose 900 :) I'd really like to hear what you have to say.
Hope you get your hands on the Sony hta-9 soon....would love to hear your opinion.
Man your reviews are the most legit there is!! Love em!
Have you considered reviewing the Denon soundbar 550 or maybe one of the Harman Kardon citation soundbars? 😎
Thanks! Yes, considered but at this very moment my efforts will be best spent weighing in on Sonys/Bose offerings. But I got a running list of these other bars to eventually get to
@@neverenoughtech awesome! Keep up the good work 💪
between klipsch 1200 sound bar and jbl 1300x sound bar which is more better?
Thanks for the review!
i like reviews that actually tests those sound bars with real music and movies. one more question can you add another sub for more bass?
Yes wire it from the sub or the bar
I listen to you talking about true hd and ddplus atmos, still don't know how many people can't tell the difference. Some treat you like you're crazy, like it is impossible to tell a difference...
Samsung HW-Q930C or JBL 500 ?(same price) or Yamaha YHT-1840 witch is less expensive 150E ?
Always come here for the sound bar reviews! Could you do one on the SP11RA LG?
Suggestion noted
My JBL 9,1 drops off and does not play sound also, have to unplug also. XBox plays straight through with no problem
Excellent review and waiting for Sony HT A7000 n Bose 900 soundbar
I watched your review a second time to ensure that I did a fair comparison (Andrew and Jonah) of the available information. I had ruled out the 1200 and now it's back on the table.
Again good work...
I think it’s reasonable to wait for updates and price drops - my Samsung tv is still causing it fits (use Apple TV as an input to bypass the issues) - but otherwise I’m still using it as my living room sound system. I dig the sound for sure
Q950A WOULD BE THE BETTER CHOICES...
But I still waiting for a under 1000 Euro drop...I brought my SN11 RG back to LG, so now I'm without anything 😢
I haven't heard many go for a direct comparison between the 950a n 7000a
I have this system coming in a few days. Anybody know what speaker stands I can use for the surround speakers? I’m new to audio, coming from a 6 year old Klipsch R-4B soundbar system
Good work...
I've been scouring soundbar reviews since the beginning of the lockdown. Alas, I wound up realizing I wanted a music focused AVR system with HDMI switching and auto mic-based calibration, so I bit the bullet and bought audio separates. I somehow kept the cost below a top of the line soundbar system by reusing my subwoofer and sourcing used center and surround speakers. I'd tell most people to do the same if space and complexity wasn't an issue.
Unfortunately Daniel, space is what is forcing even staunch audiophiles to go the soundbar route, i would love nothing more than a proper avr setup but space is not on my side !
@@bharadghost It's fortunate that sound bars are getting very good. I wish there was a way to properly audition them before buying. Listening to carefully prepared sampler tracks just doesn't overcome buying inertia for me.
You're reusing equipment that the average joe does not have so not really an apple to apple comparison
Such a badass review!
Whymine you have to pull power plug for thedamn thi g to come on? Aside that it siunds good
Which soundbar system do you recommend the Samsung HW-Q950A 11.1.4 or the Klipsch Cinema 1200 to buy
At this time my broad recommendation is A. If you’re a big fan of the Klipsch sound go with 1200
@@neverenoughtech 950 A better! I have Amber! And I compared it with the 950A! And I really like Samsung in the movies a lot more than Amber! I tried to connect the REL 9ti to Ambeo and it did not give an increase in sound due to the strange disconnection of the midrange frequencies when used together with the sub! without a sub, Ambeo has a weak bass, no matter how advertised it is!) Samsung are just great at giving out such a sound for such a price!
I have the Samsung hw-q950a. I can hear it very well, but I can't feel 😢, the bass is lacking.
@@brothachuck6682 I had Klipsch Cinema 800 - amazing bass and sound (I love techno/trance/hip hop). The whole floor vibrates. I returned it due to constant software issues and Bluetooth not working. I got Samsung samsung hw-q990b. Nice sound and more immersive/surround but compared to Klipsch - no bass at all and doesn't have that punch/oomph which really gets me.
I returned Samsung Q990B as well. Now I have no speakers :) I prefer Klipsch Cinema 800 over Samsung and will go back to Klipsch when I'm sure they fixed their software and Bluetooth issues.
Does anyone if other speakers would be similar to Klipsch in terms of sound? I'm not confident that Sonos or Boss can reproduce that bass and sound of Klipsch cinema 800 either
The Bass!!
Its down to about 1000-1200 now
Does the bar have rubber feet? Or a long rubber pad on the bottom like the SONOS bars?
Considering this or the Samsung HW-Q950A. Would primarily be for video gaming and movie watching. Which would you recommend?
Considering price and features and comparable sound - go with the A
Sorry bro but Thank you so much...I was looking for a soundcheck about 2 months
How big is the front sound stage? I like the sound stage on the bose 700 in comparison. Thanks for the great review
Bose is probably better inch per inch but I didn’t have any complaints. It’s a solid soundstage on a wide bar
love your reviews!!!!
How I connect the sub...
I can't get the sub get connection
hi great review...Question if money was not an issue would you recommend this Klipsch Cinema 1200 vs Sonos ARC / 2 Gen 3 subs ? and a pair of fives for rears......i am very curious on your thoughts.....cheers from Canada
The Arc. I think I prefer the Klipsch Sound but the Sonos experience is so much more refined. I own somewhere around 35 Sonos products so …
@@neverenoughtech ok how about the SONY HT-A9....or the Sennheiser Ambeo with a SVS SB3000 sub....or the Samsung Q950A.....
Hey Daniel I decided to go back-and-forth between Soundchecks on this review for the Klipsch 1200 and the soundcheck of the Q950A Samsung and I am keep wondering if I’m hearing a warm deep rich type sound Tones really not the bass) with the Klipsch, where on the Samsung I get a bit higher tingly words and sounds flying all around the room - seems more sub-mursive. Can you let me know if you found this?
Because when I heard it in your videos on the Madmax clips, (going back and forth over and over between the Sammy and Klipsch) there was a very metallic deep steel type thuds surrounding you with the Klipsch versus tinny twinkly type sound all around your ears on the Samsung?
This may not make sense…..I swear it’s just a few warm tones which are just barely covering you in Atmos effect that surround you, (Klipsch) vs sparkles tingle type Atmos sprinkling all around you in the other. (Samsung)
Classic vs new age feel?
Your feedback sounds would be invaluable to me. Thx.
So … I have three floors saturated with audio. The first and second I have Sonos everywhere. Not because I think they sound the best but because of the ecosystem and elegance. It’s a new house but in the basement where I have a projector set up I’m rolling with the Klipsch 1200 - I preferred the sound I’ve r the Q950A and it supports dual subs. I’ll convert it to something proper over time. My point is that it’s a big deal for me to permanently set up something other than Sonos. That being said the 1200 is an unfinished bar from a features and bug ridding perspective. I use it for a very narrow purpose of cinema in the basement. The Q950A is much more technologically advanced and complete. My recording room was different when recording the A and 1200. I’m gonna be more consistent from now on. The 1200 was recorded is a much bigger space allowing the sound to breath. The A in a room that might be more conducive for Atmos. I’m recording in the new place a room that is fairly large and regular with 4 regular walls so that should assist in comparisons moving forward. Hope this helps
What do you think about Klipsch 700 5.1 vs Vizio Elevate 5.1.4? Both around $800 which one is best?
Klipsch
Interested to know the size of the room that you tested this in. Also is this room closed off or are there any open spaces? My living room has standard 8ft ceilings but there is open space behind my sofa leading intot he dinning and kitchen area. Im wondering if there is a chance of loosing the atmos affects.
The best case is medium to large enclosed room. Open spaces and irregular surfaces all diminishes the precision. Though it seems like your space is fairly conducive for reasonable casual at-home Atmos … as sounds like you have room to space the rear speakers behind you. I have 10 ceilings and open space to the side of me. I don’t have a perfect listening room but I can compare the relative effectiveness of the bars
@@neverenoughtech Thanks man! Love your chanel and I appreciate the response.
Thank you for your details review and your honest opinion. 👍🏼😃
Can I ask if it true for soundbar with large speaker size produce great quality sound? Example like Sennheiser Ambeo, Samsung q950a and of course cinema 1200 with large speaker.
All three of those systems give you really nice sound. Sennheiser cost the most and doesn’t have a sub nor surrounds but it may be the best standalone bar l. For best sound you want a traditional setup. But it’s clunky and can cost a whole lot depending on how fancy you want to get
@@neverenoughtech Thank you and appreciate for your advice. 👍🏼 😃
I still prefer wireless, either go for q950a or cinema 1200. Sennheiser ambeo over my budget although i like the clean setup without additional surround and sub.
“Full grain metal plastic” 🤣🤪😂
Man! $799 now...
I'm also wondering if getting this over the q990c
I wonder why nobody is reviewing the q990c
As the software seems to be somewhat mature - taking over the c given the price makes sense to me
Nice review
Thanks
AirPlay ist now available isn’t it?
Hi. I recently bought Cinema 1200. I hear no or very low sound until I set volume to 45+ which is almost the half of the 100 max volume in the soundbar. Not sure if it’s the expected behavior or it is just me. Considering the 1200 watt soundbar, the volume is very low. Have you or someone else have experienced the same?
My brother has cinema 800 and he has the same issue.
I previously had JBL 5.1 Soundbar and had quite sufficient sound volume at 16+.
Samsung/JBL makes the sound go up very quickly. I frequently have the Klipsch at 70 or so for movies so yes I think it’s fair that a 30 on Klipsch is not the same as Samsung … but I do think ilKliosch can get plenty loud in the 80+ range. I don’t see that being a volume in a normal kind of space that would not be sufficient … consider it as you get more incrikents of sound volume on Klipsch which I find to be a benefit
Klipsch rules, bruv!
The rear speakers that comes with it are the surround 3?
No... 3.0 surround 3 are 2.0
Man that leather cushioning table or whatever is called is exactly the same stitching and leather as a similar item I have at home. Have you got that at costco? ahaha
We were moving and borrowed it from the front entrance. I think I got it on Amazon.
@@neverenoughtech turns out the nakamichi is available for purchase still. I just can't. I think for that money I would start building something else, even if having to pay more. Then again I'll see once you get it, since there's not a single honest review as of today. I know people have to be careful on how to say things on youtube, but still, for now it has been nothing but nakamichi propaganda.
Based on your review it sounds like you would recommend the Klipsch 1200 over a full Sonos set up, is that accurate?
Funny you ask. I had a little section at the end addressing this but I cut it. Sonos is the most elegant and reliable solution - and I think sounds really refined. I only have Sonos in my family spaces. If you are talking big quality cinematic sound as the #1 priority - probably don’t go Sonos - even though it’s more than good enough for that purpose.
@@neverenoughtech I like the ease of use of the Sonos app and the ability to add more speakers makes me lean more towards the Arc, but I'm all for big sound so I may have to consider the Klipsch 1200
I’m gonna use the 1200 in the basement of my new house. Gonna set up a short term projector space (home theater ) before getting it finished. I like the idea of separating from the upstairs which will be 100% Sonos ecosystem.
Hi Daniel!
Can I do this? This is what I plan to do next week once I buy my new 85" LG or Samsung Television.
Can I connect 2 corded subs and 2 cordless subs for a Quadrophonic woofer settings?!? Is it possible
to connect 4 pieces of Surround 3 Speakers?!? 2 at my sides and 2 at my rear.................
Surround 3 Speakers
R-80SWI Wireless Subwoofer
R-12SW 400w 12" Subwoofer (Corded RCA)
I am expecting an answer from you!
As far as I am aware you can keep adding subs as long as there is a sub out port - you can get wireless subs but would still need to plug the wireless module in the sub out. The only way to get 4 subs would be to buy at least one other sub with a sub out. One sub would plug into the 1200’s offered sub and then one would be plugged into the bar sub out and another plugged into the sub that’s the plugged in the bar. There is no option for pairing additional surrounds
@@neverenoughtech
Maybe an update of the software or firmware in the future for additional side speakers of the Surround 3 do you think?
Connecting the 4 subwoofers got me confused. So you mean One of the wireless woofers should have a sub out? One of the corded woofer will be connected to the woofer out of the sound bar, then the other corded woofer to the sub out of another woofer and from that woofer the cable goes to the sub out of the woofer connected to the sound bar. DID I UNDERSTOOD IT RIGHT?
How does the klipsch 1200 compare to the Nakamichi Shockwave Ultra?
Klipsch is good at sound Nakamichi is good at Atmos
Which one would you recommend? The Klipsch 1200 or the Nakamichi shockwave ultra?
Hi DANIEL. REALLY NEED YOUR HELP. JUST TOOK THE SAMSUNG 950QT BACK TO STORE AS YOUR REVIEW WAS RIGHT ON THE FLAWS YOU SPIKE ABOUT IN YOUR REVIEW. WAS THINKIJG OF GETTING THE SONOS ARC. WHICH WOULD YOU GET IF I WAS GETTING A SOUNDBAR. IS THERE ANOTHER SOUNDBAR SIMILAR TO SONOS SOUNDBAR IN PRICE TGAT IS BETTER OR SHOULD I GET THE SONOS ? THANK YOU
If you took the Samsung back due to flaws, I would consider the Arc. Sonos is my home audio system - primarily because all aspects of it are well refined sound->experience and leads to the fewest headaches. If you are looking to use a soundbar for HDMI inputs the Arc is not the bar for you. All the other soundbars are gonna give you some kind of a headache due to bugs and usability flaws but I would consider the Bose 900 if looking for a decent bar similar in price. Though can’t promise you won’t get any fewer headaches than the Q950T … find my Bose 700 trouble shooting video (the number of views is not a good look for Bose) - sounds nice though
@@neverenoughtech thank you so much. Truly appreciate your help
It's crazy my klipch pro media 2.1 sub sounds better than my 2 sonos sub gen 3s. Smh. Wayyyyyy more bass
boss 900 & 1200..?
Just saved me the cost. Non AirPlay just ended it for me
Klipsch Cinema 1200 or JBL 9.1 ?
1200 but beware if using with a Samsung tv. Buggy.
If 3 subs does not give you enough low end, it is most likely an issue with your dongle.
😂
Bought the soundbar oktober 2021.
Had an amazing sound experience.
In march 2022 sended it to the repair shop.
No more sound from all speakers. And a strange noice came out of the center soundbar.
Still waiting for the new one to be deliverd...
What a shame of Klipsch!!
January the 6th 2023 got the new cinema 1200 deliverd.
Hope it will last for longer time.
In the mean time had a loaner device the samsung Q950A
Was a decend soundbar. Only thing that botters was the screen on top and not in the front. And the bass was less then with the 1200 soundbar.
Now i need to get used to the klipsch cinema 1200 the vocals are not that loud. Bass is verry loud. You like it or not.
ok how about the SONY HT-A9....or the Sennheiser Ambeo with a SVS SB3000 sub....or the Samsung Q950A......movies and tv shows 95% of the time and music 5% of the time
If you want to keep the experience bone shaking and highly spatial go Samsung, Want most refined experience with really good sound - Sonos. High fidelity sennheiser. Haven’t heard the Sony but will definitely need sub and surrounds to keep up with Sammy- Samsung I’m sure is the best sound /$
klipsch 1200 or Sony HT-A7000?
IDK but seems all the hype is for the latter
Wondering how many systems you had to get because these things break like crazy… almost everyone I know that has one has had to get multiple systems to get one that worked correctly. So many connection issues and dropouts.
There have been issues. It’s a buggy bar.
I'm still in a predicament.. I wanted this klipsch for the extra sub input but I also wanted real Atmos... Hmm
Its real Atmos, just not the best Atmos
@@neverenoughtech understood. But the Samsung is ~50% cheaper.. But I think I'll find the sub lacking
Nakamichi is the best
That would make Mo a Pentapus....
Daaaamn that is what I did not want to hear... Samsung does not have analog in. So I cannot connect my record player.
FYI your using the word passthrough kinda wrong. When people refer to passthrough with eARC/soundbars that means you have the TV set to pass the audio through it to the soundbar via eARC. So you would have ATV4K > TV > soundbar via eARC, I think you are using it to mean ATV4K > soundbar > TV.
Uhhh … I think I’m using it right. Passthrough means you can get the audio source straight to the bar (avoiding the TVs funny business) and the video gets passed through via ARC/eARC so you can watch the video. Saying something like 8K passthrough makes little sense if 8k video is passed to the bar and not the other way around
@@neverenoughtech what your saying makes sense in terms of the soundbar itself, but that’s not what people think when you say ‘passthrough’. If you look in a bunch of TVs sound settings that have eARC, you will see settings called enable ‘Passthrough’ and that’s so you can bitstream lossless codecs to the bar via eARC. Your just referring to the fact the bar has like an HDMI hub/switcher like you find AVRs.
Fair enough. I can adopt HDMI inputs as clearer language. The inputs leverage ARCs ability to pass -through video to the TV.
I scoured the comments when i saw "Appletv passthrough" in the video..😁 even went to my aptv4k settings to see if a recent update was done to allow passthrough. Thanks for clearing this up and being receptive to correct info.
You have the same friends and wife as me, apparently.
Hey Daniel! Do you have an update on how the app has evolved and the bugs you were dealing with?
I talk about changes in this video … Samsung Q990B v. Sonos Arc System v. Sony HTA9 w/ SASW5 v. Klipsch Cinema 1200 - Ranked
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Can it run Crysis tho?
After extensive testing … sadly no
Man, you look exactly like a deceased in battle soldier form WWI.
That’s a new take
@@neverenoughtech haha, don't know why it hit me like that at the beginning of the video lol
The black wood look is terrible. It stops me to implement it into my living room.
But nobody says anything about Samsung prices
Because it's an excellent soundbar and is always on sale 🤔
@@MrBjorn6 the 1200 is 1k now.
I’d better being hearing SOOP.
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Good review.
@@neverenoughtech great review 🍻
I grabbed an LG Eclair qp5 for a small bedroom & it’s fun to play around with (in small spaces). 😉
The Eclair is on my 2do list
Imagine calling your model “cinema” series and lack DTS support.. wtf!? I can live with lack of tech features and app EQs etc if you’re just putting out a quality speakers for home theatre. I can even live with lack of great height or Atmos ability if it offered great sounding audio and 5.1 surround sound. I can’t live with no DTS though, I own too many Blu-ray’s. It just seems crazy to me how bad Klipsch dropped the ball given their connection to home theatre . This is coming from someone who had a 7.1 Klipsch home theatre set up.
I don’t own a single blu ray anymore. Perfect for me 😊
I bought the Klipsch 1200 soundbar a year and a half ago and it burned up already. The capacitors went bad. Cheap China made caps. For $1800 it is junk. never worked right. Going back to a AV receiver and tower speakers. Waste of money.
This systems hype died real quick. Klipsch thought they had it all in the bag…lmao. Still better options out there.
Klipsch needs to stick with home-theater equipment and get out of soundbar world.
I wish I disagreed with you more. The highlights here stem from their legacy expertise not their new venture into consumer electronics.
@@neverenoughtech yeah...klipsch thought by slapping their name on a box would help boast amazing quality, and performance. andew robinson had a video about the 1200 and klipsch's response to him, when andrew reached out to ask a question, was so arrogant - it was pretty obnoxious to see that.
I was taking this one pretty seriously but there is a consistent stream of bad reviews about this system. Connectivity problems, system locking up, so i'll stay away.
The 💩 hit the fan for me after it’s first major update. Since there have been the requisite firmware updates and OTA updates have been restored along with better app support … it’s not nearly as bad as it was but I understand the hesitancy
@@neverenoughtech thanks for the update! I just saw it go up on Klipsch's own site for $799 [58% off] so it's extremely tempting.
I grabbed one for 799$ hope it’s not a paperweight 😅