Koreans React To Radical Feminist Hand Sign | Street Interview
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2024
- While you wouldn’t necessarily think of feminism as a bad thing, did you know there’s a rising radical feminist movement in South Korea? In the midst of a worsening gender-based conflict, multiple Korean companies even had to pull down their ads after men’s rights organizations complained that they were offensive to men. Let’s hit the streets of Seoul to find out how Koreans feel about radical feminism and their infamous hand sign.
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Omg asian boss NEEDS to do an (anonymous?) interview with a korean radical feminist, that would be super interesting
But if they do that, they need to ask the hard hitting questions and not lob them a freebie. Most questions and responses are too safe and pc that it’s boring and predictable. You need to hit radical with radical lol.
@@user-ot2nh8qb7d "Hit radical with radical. " I like how you think😌
there are harldy any fat women in Korea so would only be a few korean radical feminists, most of them would be Americans living in SK
@@tytube3001 why would they need to be fat tho
@@tytube3001 that was super rude of u
These interviews can almost never represent Koreans' honest opinions, because they will not tell you that while showing their face. Asian Boss should consider anonymous interviews in these types of controversial topics, it would give us a much better insight, in my opinion.
Agree
You guys have no idea what south korean radical feminism movement
1.White supremacy : this is not lie, They always praise white man so call "갓양남" God western man and despise Asians
2.Hatred on minority and transgender : They hate minority groups of foreigners group, and they really hate transgender quote "They are not real women, so he can't be in
women's college (They actually kicked out transwoman )
3.'Feminism movement' that ironically want patriarchy : They don't want to be in the job or work, they mostly want man / government take care of them.
Money, House, food, even chores in the house all belong to man's job and they despise impregnation/ giving birth.
@@2Asspie explain
@@ShabbyTabernacle did my comment got deleted? or just bug IDK
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The guy mentioning that Japan has gone through this lmao. Japan is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of gender equality, and has a long way to go.
@Isaac Smith wtf are you talking about.
@Isaac Smith I'm talking facts. Not really sure what point you were trying to make with your first comment.
@Isaac Smith check the Gender Inequality Index and WEF's gender gap index. Simply facts and something well talked about. No need to be a white knight for Japanese people lmao.
@Isaac Smith damn i read this in ben shapiro’s voice y me estoy meando de la risa
@Isaac Smith bruh u trippin balls rn
my favourite hand sign is the middle finger as its practically universal
trust me it isn't. there's many cultures where the middle finger means nothings
One of the funniest and most ignorant things to come from America 🖕🏽🤣🤣
Korean men are obliged to serve in the military for two years at the age of 20-24. They have to give up their youth for two years while receiving $1.75 an hour (Korean minimum hourly wage is $7.63). It is difficult to find a job after going to the military because women who did not go to the military are fully prepared for employment.
@@senahidetosi actually not 2 years. One and half
@@yu9605 Thank you so much for the half-year discount;;
Super interesting topic and I would love to see more follow up. Recently one of my male Korean friends became heated talking about "crazy Korean feminists" and I was really shocked. The people interviewed were quite tame compared to the things my friend was saying. Interview more people - I think there is more meat to this topic that you haven't uncovered.
Yeah lmao no point, absolutely no one is going to say what they really think regarding this issue on camera. Anyone who would is a extremist in a unique situation who would not be a good counterbalance.
Because Korean men consider any feminist a radical crazy feminist. They're quite upset that they're no longer allowed to oppress women, so any woman who speaks up for themselves is now considered radical.
@@Myumeful i mean... they can speak up but why are they talking about someone else? i just have mixed feelings about this issue.
@@Myumeful Korean women aren't oppressed. Stop seeing Korean men as misogynists. Korea doesn't need feminism.
@@ns-4438 Feminism is for the liberation of both men and women. Patriarchy hurts everyone. The world needs feminism myguy
People always try to give non-controversal answer
WHEN you interview them in the middle of public and with no-eye filter
Korean men are obliged to serve in the military for two years at the age of 20-24. They have to give up their youth for two years while receiving $1.75 an hour (Korean minimum hourly wage is $7.63). It is difficult to find a job after going to the military because women who did not go to the military are fully prepared for employment.
You know what's funny? Megalia was small community disbanded years ago and they never have been majority. Korean men used them to generalize feminism as bad thing and demonize feminism Their symbol(the hand sign) have never been also a problem in any ads or posts before but a Korean men community(fmkorea) started insisting that's sign of man hatred symbol from May 2021 and attacked every companies using those signs since then. One man in the vid said like "Men didnt really care before but some women started using it so it became problem" and it is not true, since women didn't use those signs to symbolize their genitals before men started making it a problem from may 2021. They made it a hatred symbol bcuz they want to one day.
@@elluise14 No. They use real evidence and what is actually happening after the president Moon was elected to target what happened in the past that made the current president popular even among young men 4 years ago. Funny how tides have turned all thanks to the effort of the current stupid government.
For them to show their face they had permission to do so. When people want to hide their face they do.
@@elluise14 Radical feminist right here. Megalian when first launched was brimming with tons of traffic so stfu. They were pedestaling the radical feminist movement and that hand sign was their logo with malicious symbolism since 2015. They were doing what you are doing: creating false news and spreading it all over the place and demonizing men. At first the men endured the attack but eventually there was tremendous backlash with all that hate towards men. Feminism was practiced and represented as Megalia for almost 3years and naturally that website disbanded. There are still MULTIPLE websites that share these radical feminism views like Women’sEra(여성시대) consisting of 800,000 active members today, so cut out the whole ‘never been majority’ bs.
Funny how one guy thinks US and JAPAN have gone beyond this issue. LOL!
@justice justice yo what ? I don't think so . I mean it still lurks around everywhere and Japan is not excluded from it .
@justice justice Japan has a train dedicated to only women because sexual harassment is so bad 😭😭😭
@@yemack so why are most women successful in japan then if "patriarchy" exists? Seiyuus, manga authors, actors, musicians, artists etc are just as successful as men if not more.
@@yemackof course there are careers where a specific gender excels at nothing to do with patriarchy like those in construction/hard labor where men are physically built for just like there are mostly women in the beauty / fashion industry but i dont hear you complaining. Thats a weak argument. but wheres your evidence? all claims with nothing to back it up. Why dont we ask the actual japanese in this thread?
@@yemack because im not making the claim you are and i just gave you evidence, do you want me to list all the successful japanese women because they are a ton, ill give you the biggest ones; japan's highest grossing movie of all time was made by a woman, megumi hayashibara is the highest paid seiyuu of all time, ayumi hamasaki is the best selling solo artist of all time, look it up and try using google. damn patriarchy youre doing a bad job oppressing all these successful women! do you want me to go on?
your "evidence" is all hearsay from people who havent even been to japan while i gave you facts. also, you ignored when i gave you logical answers why one gender excels at some careers. nice. still waiting on that evidence so far you provided none.
This wouldn’t be an issues if people just learned to respect eachother fully.
this is the internet, you can't come here and ask everyone to act sensibly. are you kidding me?
@@felipefreitas3942 Lmaoooooooo when did they say they expect that behaviour? But also your comment was just so out of place it made me laugh
@@felipefreitas3942 brazil moment
I agree with that, equality & respect benefit everyone if that is reallt what it is. But honestly, I've never seen a radical feminist (& rarely a self identifying feminist) care about males equally to females other than lip service.
It is usually "I onky care about women, i want males to support my cause and then will be willing to throw them under a bus."
The issue of DV is a good example. Many feminists want to protect women only from domestic violence, & don't acknowledge or ignore the dact that false accusations in Custody disputes are getting very common and an easily abused special power.
It is actually possible to protect everyone from DV, and equally treat false accusations (esp in Custody disputes) seriously. They are an easy way to gain money, power or custody.
IMO feminists arw almost always Female-first & Gynocentric in practice, not gender equal, just like their name suggests- as opposed to what they claim about themselves.
I kind used to be a male feminist, because i naively thought feminists wanted equality, as they often claim with words alone.
I still agree with feminists on some things & some concerns, but would never trust them to not throw males under a bus if it helps them.
@Winter Wyvern *looks into 1000 years ago or even ancient times:* "So, about that."
a growing divide between two sides that cannot agree on anything seems to be a common trend nowadays, regardless of which country.
Lol nowadays?
it's all because of the people that profit from that divide--anyone who makes money from holding the attention of others (mainly media and advertisers).
“Nowadays” you mean, all of human history
@@ChristopherCricketWallace In this case, it would be the current ruling party in the country.
Exactly
This is the problem with using blanket terms to label whole groups of people.
And definitions are constantly changing, plus people define things how they want so what are terms without nuance?
Korean feminists say like "Same work Same salary" but actually they don't. In korean government ministry, there are lots of female crew but no one do night duty. Also if male say "As female and male are same, we have to do same duty.", female say like "Stop misogyny! Female is weak so the male have to protect us. If you don't, you are misogynist. " Also lets take an example of police. ALMOST KOREAN FEMALE COPS DON'T / CAN'T ARREST THE CRIMINALS. That's because, feminists say "they are female, even they are cops so male have to protect female and if you don't you are misogynist". All korean policeman have to protect female police while fighting with criminals. Also there was a accident that female police shout like "Hey man!! Come on and catch him!!". Lots of people criticized the shortagr of that female police but feminists instigated like "All male who criticize this are misogynist".
This is the truth of Korean Feminism.
this is exactly what I was thinking while watching this video
@@User-q1w2e3r if they are expecting men to protect them and refuse to do their duties, they are incompetent for the job and clearly are not feminists. So check the definition of feminism again and stop calling them that. Also stop generalizing those women who work based on a video or limited media you have seen.
@@siren8624The is a massive difference between the dictionary definition and how feminists groups act in real life.They call themselves feminists and are widely recognised as feminists lol, what you expect people to call them. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't feminists. There is no "real feminism", all you have to do is call yourself one. Would you accept this from any other group, oh any bad thing a conservative does doesn't make them a "real conservative".
We had a similar situation in Russia, there was an advertisement for Reebok with the inscription "do not sit on the needle of male approval, sit on a man's face" several years ago, there was a huge scandal and everyone I know discussed it, and even continue to discuss it now
And even the Gillette ad
Oops, am I the only one who found the tag line funny? 🤣 I mean I know many men who would love a woman to sit on their face! 😂😂 So I guess it’s sexualising women yet again, huh. Well, sex sells!
Ok but that's kinda kinky though
But that has a sexual conotation rather than an actual "do things for you" vibe. :/
Where there is oppression, there is resistance 🙂🙂 This is about why feminism in Asia tend to be radical. In China, Japan and South Korea the patriarchy is serious, deep in the root of the culture. Those comments should blame the men supremacy before talking about radical feminism 😒😒
How about an interview with author of Kim Ji Young Born 1983? This remains an interesting topic to discuss further.
It's 82 :D
@@julien.2573 Thank you for your correction!
@@soggymoggytravels Lol, it has been proven that the book is not based on a true story. Just bunch of sensational stories weaved up to make the society look worse than it actually is.
Kim Ji Young is far from being the voice of reason here. If anything, she wouldn't mind worsening the conflict for the sake of her narrative.
@@davekorus It's clear the KJB book is intended to be fiction and there was plenty of backlash from feminists when it was published in Korea, e.g., Korean IG stars that photographed themselves with the book were cancelled. It weaves statistical data into the narrative in order to point out one scenario for women born in Korea.
@@soggymoggytravels but that's exactly the thing, it shouldnt be used as a showcase scenario for Korean women, because the book is simply exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion.
China is going through the same. Men and women constantly argue with each other online and get more radical each day.
I heard some of the feminists are already censored, even some LGBT groups were censored today
Not a problem, the CCP wouldn't let an uprising of people, simply not conceivable.
i saw a video in which a chinese women spat on a man in the lift & even threw his food & stamped it :(
@@anushka1223 is it a recent one video or An old one?
@@hillsideonly 3-2 months back
I remember red velvet's irene getting sooo much hate for reading a feminist book (not a radical feminist one, just feminist). That's why i believe korean men are just way too sensetive.
Maybe they are upset because a famous idol is reading a feminist propaganda book and it’s encouraging young women to do they same which is poisoning society. Wasn’t that the girl who was all rude and nasty to her employees? Oppressed my ass that chick is a diva
@@TheKinghanzel yes that book is propaganda and The fact is that the book is the Bible for Korean feminist as well.....
@@TheKinghanzel someone’s mad, lol. You’re being very emotional right now, and we just can’t talk to you while you’re being this way. Come back when you’re ready to have a rational conversation. /s
@@TheKinghanzel "encouraging young women to do the same which is poisoning society" lol are you saying the book will make women think and get their own ideas? can't have women think for themselves or society will collapse lmao /sarcasm
@@exquis_ Maybe the point here is that the feminists of today are not the feminists that we used to know. The supposed to be a group fighting for equality are now turning into a misandric organization. Their movements are rampant on the west, and we know what they are right now; women who victimize themselves when equality hits them, using media as their platform to wage hate, shaming women who has a different idea to them, a bunch of people who can't comprehend logic when it comes to equality and equity.
We need to understand that both men and women are destined to be corrupted. And it is not right to see that when men are becoming humane, women are doing the opposite and justifying their actions through feminism.
The video: *A controversial topic*
The comment session: *A controversy*
@@김지섭-n5l and hypocrites
@@thenoobinvestor6930 and incels
@@deadcorpse69 and simps
@@thenoobinvestor6930 where?
@@deadcorpse69it was in response to to ur comment in the context of the main comment so... The comment session
I think Koreans are more sensetive with gender issue because of men's mandatory military system. Those men assert that women should go to the military as well if they want genuine equity.
emagine how many feminist agree with that.
@@상수포차 None.
What about no one should do a military service and should instead be voluntary?
@@_blank-_ north korea?
Singapore also has compulsory conscription for men but we don't have such issue here.
I think everywhere in the world we're fighting over some issues or the another and the end result is we're divided in many ways but we need to be united not divided.
I agree with that girl in red, some organisations are not working for actual cause they're just fueling such issues world wide.
Yeah I'm so sick seeing people make fun of each other. why not work together to fix the problem?
@@NurIzzati-yj2jt Exactly, we will achieve so much unitedly rather alone and also govts benefits from our differences, it's like divide and rule.
According to Biology Humans wage war every 7 years. We cant wage physical wars so online war is common.
@@vasdgod according to biology????? whut???
I looked up korean interviews with an influential "feminist" who wrote a book she wrote i believe called Corset, and it's just pure cringe. It's also got a very culty aspect to it, so I really don't get these westerners/koreaboos thinking that everything associated with feminism has to be inherently good.
We need equality, not superiority.
Amen.
The fact is : where are those asking for women's superioty? Legit never heard them, just others saying that feminists asking for equality or criticising patriarchal issues are in fact asking for superioty, when it obviously isn't the case here.
@@adeles328 yup that's the point, you got it. But turns out not many understand it, some people need facts stated.
@@adeles328 Well, the thing is, they are not asking directly for "superiority", people like these (extremists) point at everything they can and define it as a "bad fruit" of a patriarchal system, taking to the point of assuming that, for example, if a man owns something (like a business) or is in a position of power and wealth (like an actor), they were somehow systemically handheld to be in that place, as if they didn't work for what they got or even, NEVER deserved it.
You see the problem here? Feminists like these take cases where horrible man abused their power to diminish people that don't really deserve it. Ironically, that seams to be a trend when they address a situation, as you can see in the video.
@@Srevengel that never happened. You people love to invent the most ridiculous situations to support your ideologies of "bad feminism" instead of understanding what it's really about. If only you had the same attitudes when it comes to patriarchal agendas starting from centuries ago continuing until now then I guess the problem would never exist in the first place lol
From the thumbnail, I already knew what that hand sign means. And have never heard of this group of people. In certain parts of the world at least, it’s used as a insult. And means the same thing as this group is implying.
Who understood the sign at first sight? ;)
Omg 😂😂😂
Knew it was a Tiny d-
I didn't actually but one of the women said 'if they didn't ment that way then why they took it down.' Kinda agree to that also.
Feminism was for equality but these type of news make it feel like they wanna oppress men.
and here indians are so proud about koreans. as though they are heavenly angels and wanted to visit their place and grant all support and love to them...k-pop and k-drama are far from reality and they never show and speak this. it's all effect of love(only) yourself....idiotic theme...
I understood as soon as I went to the bathroom and grabbed my sausage with my thumb and index finger. You feel me Kevin? Lol lol
I once had a really interesting conversation with a koran women with whom I learnt korean with and we talked about the whole feminism debate in korea- and honestly she told me she‘d be happy to have more women in feminism (be it radical or not, that’s a subjective question) bc then she‘d be less scared to actually stand up for herself and other women and the women in korea would finally be able to change the laws that surpress them
Edit: something that surprises me (well, not rlly) is that there‘s such an outrage that these women (this „radical“ feminist group) are „attacking“ men and feeling that they are „superior“ to men when these two things used to be (and in some countries still more/less present) normal for women to just live with it and to cope with it
The flaw in that logic is that it fails to consider how it also might make their points taken less seriously. One bad apple spoils the rest, and then they'll all be bunched together and seen as people with irrational behaviour. It's not a good look. They already ruined the word feminism in the US
I mean a good number of them admitted to/flexed about trying to poison ppl and r*ping young boys but ig go off sis
@@Rustyhound-Cartoons What usually happens in social movements is that the more radical side of a movement helps the more moderate to seem credible for the rest of society. Otherwise those deemed moderate would be seen as radical, since they would be the most revolutionary option. Remember that women asking for the right to vote used to be seen as crazy radical feminists.
Yes there’s radical feminists but I think that everywhere in the world the word "radical" is thrown at everything to try the discredit movements
'When two things used to be normal to women' - yes in the past. Claiming that current generation men should be punished for what the past men did. - definite civilization destroyer. Basic of civilization: only person who did bad thing is punished - not the person's sons.
What I read is that Korea's mandatory military service for young men is at the crux of this resentment. The men who finish their 2 year military service and come back to workforce or academics feel that they're unfairly disadvantaged in relation to females who are not required to serve time in military and have gone on to advance in workforce or in academia
@@cheerupbaby7792 i hope govenrment. Will make laws. To push all gender for serve military...
@@cheerupbaby7792 shut up, not everything revolves around feminism. The entire world does not share the same privileged lifestyle you do. There is something called the DMZ where an active military is needed to ensure safety against north korea. So what do you say, women should also be required to serve? If you actually decided to read the comment before you, the anger is directed towards feminists who want to abolish military bonuses for these men who serve. Grow up please, your thinking is pretty narrow-minded to say the least. The stance you take reeks of entitlement and ignorance. For you to group so many individuals under this one blanket term of "men" just because of shared biology is also ignorant, what about socioeconomic status, race, education, sexuality, etc? Half this world may be female, but a privileged woman like Kim Kardashian who was born rich will never have to experience a day in the life of the poor, which is why a woman coming from extreme poverty will share much more in common with a man in a similar situation rather than kim to which the only commonality is genitalia. This type of argument you use will never work because you should know by now that plenty of women put down other women. There's even a good chance your own mother is conservative leaning in matters like these.
@@cheerupbaby7792 The point is that women in Korea have more rights than men if anything, so this misandric cult spreading it's tendrils and making things even more unfair is basically rubbing salt in the wound.
@@cheerupbaby7792 bc it's the feminism fault lol they demonize men and its frustrating
@@cheerupbaby7792 lmaoo look at feminism in america
In fact, in America, they are Valery Solaris without a gun. How could people who try to justify a statement like "It's natural for men to be drafted into the military, meat shields talk a lot" are normal human beings apart from normal feminists? Unfortunately, more than 80% of Korean women are very positive about such a move. There is a reason why Korea has the lowest fertility rate. One of the reasons is things that are not mentioned in this video.
Any country copying heavily American culture also copying their problem too.
radical leftistism is completly imported from the united states
those people make actual activicts look bad
@@आपकापिता lots of groups in america have a radical problem, its a hell hole
Exactly. Many cultures worldwide are being destroyed by globalism when Americans are on a slide freefall.
@@agathachris9722 define globalism
Oh stfu. This is a problem they have had for years. Nothing to do with America
In Korea, the Western word meaning “feminism” is 여성 운동가. Feminism, to Koreans, equates to radical feminism.
What is being discussed in this video is indeed "radical feminism" and a modicum of research would find this out, far beyond the third wave feminism as what is known in the West.
There is no moderate feminism. Feminists have always been extremists, feminist groups started as terrorist organization.
I’m curious as to how much of those in this so-called feminist movement have been infiltrated from outside forces with ulterior motives and agendas.
It wouldn’t be the first time foreigners use soft power to subtly spread their ideologies, indoctrination, and spark controversy/instability in foreign lands which then leads to societal and real world consequences.
@@uwu_senpai I am stating purely on the definition of feminism, which advocates for equality. There are many genuine ones out there who actually want gender equality, so don’t lump the genuine ones with the radical.
@@uwu_senpai That's ridiculous. Wanting equal voting rights for men and women = feminist, so is wanting women to have the right to work and men the right to raise kids, etc. What is sometimes called "radical feminist" could be more accurately described as anti-feminist and/or anti-male. Feminism is just a weird word. It's a form of egalitarianism that got its name from one of the two. It's not that different from principality & prince and princess. The -ess part is from French (like actress, lioness, etc) and modified the typical word. Feminism just takes female/feminine, but it means "egalitarianism for the sexes/genders".
For the last dude who was talking about how everything how everything should be "objective" and should not "benefit only women," made me worry. Especially in the case of "making sure even education about gender equality (or inequality) should be as objective as possible" is a little dangerous thinking in my opinion/experience. That's how you grow in the U.S. with half the country learning that the civil war was a complex issue about slavery, and the other half learning that "objectively" it was "just about states rights." No situation is just black and white and issues as complex as gender/race inequality cannot just be taught objectively. Particularly, when that "objective" pov is from that of the oppressor. I remember hearing about how this issue was really picking up in South Korea a few years ago and I still came away now thinking the same thing I did then - "equality always feels like oppression to the oppressor."
Weird way to frame how the U.S. learns about civil war era history. There's only one correct way to present the civil war era and that is as a complex issue that involves both state rights and human rights issues among other issues. Fortunately, that era ultimately won everyone the same human rights. Unfortunately, it tipped the power of the federal government as more supreme than that of the states. As far as I know, no one has ever been taught that the civil war was *just* about states rights but it does appear as if you think it was *just* about slavery.
If something cannot be taught objectively, then it should be taught subjectively. And things that are subjective cannot be considered true until proven objectively. You're basically saying gender and race inequality issues aren't verifiable. I think many are overblown but even I wouldn't go that far. Not sure why you treat "objective" as if it's a bad word. Even more worrying is that you think objective thinking is dangerous thinking. You realize all scientific fields strive to be as objective as possible, right? Do you find science inherently dangerous, too? If a view is objective, it is true whether that view comes from an oppressor or not. You're statement shows you don't even understand what "objective" means. Here: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations.
You really need to do some thinking about how you view the world. You're striking me as someone who thinks they are educated but, in fact, have yet to learn to think critically.
exactly, thank you
@@Haylla2008 Firstly, woah, I was not expecting quite such an aggressive response and I think a few wires have been crossed here. When I was mentioning "objective" - I was meaning in the way it is often used to white wash history and gloss over the very real events/life experiences of the people involved. Secondly, I would never say/insinuate there is no fact based truly objective evidence of gender/race inequalities because that is just factually untrue. In an ideal world "objective" should mean exactly what it does, but it is rarely used in that way when it comes to educating people about "unpleasant" but extremely important history. Especially, considering history is written by the winners. Thirdly, growing up in Texas in the U.S. - yes, a lot of education here (in my experience) about the Civil War paints it in a very specific light as conflict about states rights exclusively. Slavery surely was mentioned, but not being properly represented in the retelling as states rights. Fourthly, I think my view and trust of people in power/or in general is a little more on the pessimistic side, especially when I'm misinterpreted and they seemingly charge in to insult rather than educate/converse, but I am only soo cynical because I expect and hope for better. I have no problem with educating people on the facts, in a lot of cases that exclusively is preferred. Issues as complex as race/gender NEED to be taught with more nuance, because, if we're going just based on facts, racism must have ended the second after the Civil Rights Act (in the eyes of some people.) Which is obviously not true, but this is the kind of misinformation that can come about of maybe-not-so-well-meaning people advocating for exclusively "objective" education.
Also, your statement of "fortunately that era ultimately won everyone the same rights," is just "objectively" wrong. I would venture to even say is wholly misinformed. If that were the case then Jim Crow and the Civil Rights Movement would not have existed. I understand feeling passionately, but insults are not necessary and introspection may be. If I am wrong on this I would very much like an explanation as to why I am, sans insults please.
Sorry that was a lot to dump but I wanted to make myself clear.
@@TuxedoMasc "When I was mentioning "objective" - I was meaning in the way it is often used to white wash history and gloss over the very real events/life experiences of the people involved."
That would be a subjective interpretation from the people who were in power at the time. If something is objective, it stays objective. You used the wrong word. Fair enough.
"Secondly, I would never say/insinuate there is no fact based truly objective evidence of gender/race inequalities because that is just factually untrue."
You did insinuate as such but I'll take it as an honest mistake/misspeak.
"In an ideal world "objective" should mean exactly what it does, but it is rarely used in that way when it comes to educating people about "unpleasant" but extremely important history. Especially, considering history is written by the winners."
No. Objective does mean exactly what it means. History is not an objective field of study. You said it yourself, it's written by the winners which means it is interpreted and sorted by people with a bias and there's no regulation of that bias until you get into the years of peer reviewed papers. It's a subjective field of study with some objective truths (i.e. slavery happened).
"Issues as complex as race/gender NEED to be taught with more nuance, because, if we're going just based on facts, racism must have ended the second after the Civil Rights Act (in the eyes of some people.) "
You act like race and gender are some unexplored monolith of complexity. They're barely worth studying in the first place but, even when studied, not that difficult to understand.
Besides that, there are plenty of *facts* that point to racism not ending after the Civil Rights Act. Be honest (with yourself). You've never heard someone say racism ceased to exist after the Civil Rights Act. What you heard is someone say something along the lines of "we put laws in place to prevent discrimination" and you interpreted that to mean them denying the existence of current day racism.
"Also, your statement of "fortunately that era ultimately won everyone the same rights," is just "objectively" wrong."
No it isn't. Ultimately. Ultimately. Words are important. I use words the way they are meant to be used. And, really no aggression meant but, you clearly don't. That era and those events had to happen in order for other strides to be made *ultimately*.
TLDR; You should have used "subjective" not "objective". Those words don't change meaning just because people misuse them. I imagine we disagree on how important race and gender actually are and almost certainly on whether it should be studied as intently as it is. We can agree to disagree on what an "aggressive response" is. My "insult" was an attempt at evoking introspection on your end. I have a plethora of it myself. No hard feelings. You responded maturely enough, which is more than most people can claim.
@@Haylla2008 I guess we can only agree to disagree. I truly wasn't saying that there is no fact based evidence of discrimination, because there is. And I'm not exactly sure why you don't believe me when I say that, but fine, can't change your perception.
I do think think that gender and race are complex issues, the fact that we still have problems with them in almost every society to this day is evidence enough that we still haven't gotten it right after 200,000 years. So, yeah, I think it's kind of important and worth studying.
You're use of the word "ultimately" IS incorrect b/c we still don't all have the same rights for everyone yet. So, therefore, wrong. (Though I'm sure you'll argue that's not true.)
Also, the "misuse" of words. Firstly, language always involves intent and isn't black and white. I was talking about how people themselves misuse the word "objective." So, I'm not sure why you're (seemingly) willfully misunderstanding me.
Secondly, "those words don't change meaning just b/c they misuse them." Language - like race/gender - is complex. This happens, and is well documented, in language all the time. That's how words that originally thought of as nonsense, "irregardless," become part of the dictionary. You are thinking to one dimensionally about language, but I guess that just my opinion. Though I agree in this case it's people, let's say "misrepresenting" the word "objective" rather than misusing.
Though I'm sure I give a similar impression, in the regards to believing steadfastly I'm right, you seem to be someone who thinks a very binary and literal way. And I think that thinking doesn't serve well in regards to issues as complex as race/gender or language, but fine. Agree to disagree. Thank you for being civil with me - have a nice day.
I can imagine at times some people veer into being anti-other rather that pro-self, like having the sentiment that they need to bring the other down rather than see themselves elevated. Though I guess they might argue the former is a prerequisite of the latter.
Not argument for men-hating. Please remember that
the real feminism is the belief in the economic, social and political equality between sexes, which aims to stop stereotypes and injustice on the female group. Gender equality is not contradictory with the feminism and if we abandon the word of "feminism" and just use slogans like "rights equity", the very problem of girls will be disguised.
The big issue here is that Korean people assume feminism = megalian🤏🏼 which is wrong.
Agreed. There’s a HUGE misunderstanding of what feminism means, mostly due to the radical toxic groups.
So basically they’re female incels
There’s no difference in feminism. It’s obviously ruining modern society and if you believe women are more happy now than they were in previous generations because of feminism then more power to the movement. However the statistics show that’s not the case and it’s quite sad men and women are more divided than ever before.
It’s the same argument W0men use against “Not all men” , you say that even if it’s “not all men” , men as a class harm us .
Now flip the same “Not all fem1nists are radical”, but those who hurt men are radicals so men too are cautious about it
That's why there's a better word, EGALITARIAN.
I get that in countries were women are really underprivileged, feminist should be a thing because, for a lack of better word, they need a lift.
But for example, in the US women pretty much are the same under the law. So I don't think there's need for that word anymore because it's when the balance starts tilting instead of balancing.
Hey asian boss, can you put up topic like this "how chinese people think about taiwan"
they'll probably get banned from reporting in china
No. That would be pointless because nobody is allowed to speak freely on that subject in China. The wrong answer can literally get them jailed.
they already did ,just search for it.
@@adlerzwei so you must be the one who get jailed inside of a dungeons for the past 20 years by china huh.
@@YOYO93ism no they haven't.
Remember when they changed the Myntra Logo
I didn't even know what was wrong with it untill they mentioned it 🤣🤣,.so moral of the story it depends on how you look at it
Ikr, that was ridiculous.
It was *their* perspective. Most people didn't see anything wrong with it until they pointed that out. Even if the logo stayed the same, as a girl it wouldn't offend me cause there's nothing to be offended over. Most radical feminists just need a reason to call out men and even women over their conduct for no damn reason.
fr lmao that was so unnecessary. We've got bigger problems in our country and these jobless people waste their time on useless stuff like this. Who even cares.
Lol yeahhhh
It about mentality
HANNAM : She is Feminist!!!!
People : so what 🤷♂️
네 아줌마.
@@Ju_Tube23 Sochuu-HANNAM
@@Ju_Tube23Aunty's not much of an insult to western women.
@@tyerannical3650 그렇구나.
아줌마.
@@geekyourlikeslulu you literally doing man hate. ewwwwwwwww
"This too shall pass" I don't like to simplify though..
Korean feminists call their father a bug. And, state agencies say that every man must prove he is not a criminal.
These young South Korean's being interviewed are so much smarter than young people I've seen in the US being interviewed.
Of course they are. US education is not exactly a role model unfortunately.
@@mattm4497 then why the whole world wants to go to us for studies
@@imrjvzoldyk1694 you need to distinguish between the basic, mandatory education on primary and secondary level, which is really really bad in the US and the university level which often is the opposite, as some of the best universities in the world are in the US.
The USA is often a country of even "very good" or "very poor".
@@mattm4497 i see
@@mattm4497 Dude, make it even more precise. A handful of universities in the U.S. attract foreign talents. The average immigrant from other nations aren't coming to the U.S. to get schooling from a community college, or a state college. Secondly, if they are, they probably have some sort of guarantee in their country on a job.
In my country that means, bit, short, 1/2 inch, little.... It depends on the occasion...If it is to refer to something that has to do with a man, in Latin Americans we have many words that can be offensive, without using gestures....also sign language changes according to the countries...Spanish is spoken in 20 countries in the world 19 of them are in the new world and we all speak differently, which for some is a bad word or gesture, for others it has a different meaning ...
If you have to make your point by offending the counterpart, then your only intention is to increase the ostility.
The sad truth is that every politician does this, especially in Sweden. So it's difficult to take any of them seriously and yes, it also increases what I think you were suppose to write, hostility.
No one cares. If the other side doesn't comply, what's the point of staying quiet? Act up!
@@ariellekwong206 thats how wars start.
@@Mrgasman1978 good. This patriarchy needs to end sooner rather than later. Let's just get done with it once and for all
@@ariellekwong206 i don't know where you live right now but history should had taught you that fights never estabilish a balance. The winner will just take it all. Besides that, you don't even consider collateral effects of that. Men who are very good husbands, fathers, boyfriends, who will be discriminated as well. You talk about killing mosquitoes with shotguns.
1:10 that R8 looking sweet and thank you for bringing this issue to light
Its nice to see other people’s views and opinions on this topic
Lol didn't even notice
haha you can see many expensive cars in Korea
@@ttoja1267 In Gangnam mostly
Micro gang wya
Fr how are they just going to steal our gang sign like that?
@@Bbbbbbbbbv Lmao 🤣😂😆
@@Bbbbbbbbbv 😭😭🤣
🤣🤣
Finally, a dude that
I can stand behind lol
I wonder if it's a thing to laugh about a woman's physique (chest, bottom, etc.) in South Korea amongst men or in advertising. If it is, well, this is just the equivalent from women or advertising. (I'm not a fan of body shaming, but it's important to recognize possible double standards.)
It is definitively a thing ! In online males communities that's one of the most common thing they do. Articles with women barely wearing clothes are often trending and trust me you would feel disgusted reading their comments
Some men do body shame women but I don't think it's ever in public advertisements that everyone can see because that's just going to lose money for the company who put out the ad. Body shaming women has come to a point in society where 99% of people agree that it is horrible. But bodyshaming men is still seen as a funny joke and if men where to speak up about it, they are called "too sensitive". Really just plays into the way that society expects men to be this stable emotionless tree that provides and takes anything positive or negative without any complaint.
Haha there was an online ad that was promoting a product that helps turn the color of female nipples to "pink". I grew up hearing Korean guys say "Black/brown nipples are such a turnoff/ugly." etc 😬
Yea typical men. They always talk degrading about women in their conversations, paint us as sex objects in their music, touch us without our permission, etc. and we're just supposed to sit down and take it. I don't really see a problem with it, and if ppl do have a problem they should just ignore it. You don't see me trying to take out the hip hop industry for basically painting us a sex objects, I just simply ignore it.
@@anm2x Honey have you seen the hip hop industry? they basically indirectly tell women you aren't good enough if you don't have huge boobs, big booty, etc. And not to mention advertisements only praise women with those body types.
I find this situation quite ridiculous, because Korea with a large gender inequality has insane unrealistic beauty standards for women, a woman weighing 60 kg is considered fat, and endure incredible pressure from society about their appearance, skin color, body, facial features..
But poor Korean men were offended with harmless advertising..
Lmao I can hear the insecurities yelling out in your comment
Fighting body shaming with body shaming. By doing so, you are also body shaming people who don't body shame, if they share a characteristic with people who do body shame.
@@SaucyBlunt Lmao I can hear the pettiness yelling out in your comment
@@callistachloe3837 Lmao I can hear the triggering sizzling on the pan
@@SaucyBlunt ㅋㅋㅋ 미친 사람 😔👏👏
Making fun of genitials.... how is that progressive.. !!..
What I learned is someone has a white Audi R8 in Korea.
XDDDDD
I find it funny that men are offended just by this gesture this is nothing against what woman go trough
most women dont go through nothing serious
@@thefuckinglindohistorically, that’s false especially looking at comfort women. but in this modern world? yeah barely anything really. korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and most of them are from men
I agree. That’s what I’ve always thought though. When speaking of equality both should be on a equal point. As in men should not drag women down and also women should not drag men down. And instead of putting roles like men should do it and women should do it or men can’t do this or women can’t do this, if the man thinks he can do the said role or work he should and if he thinks he can’t it’s okay if he doesn’t. Similarly if the women thinks she can do the said role or work she should and if she thinks she can’t it’s okay to not do it. And both should act in such way that they don’t hurt eachother or anyone else in the process.
I love this pacifistic mindset, preach!
Tumi Bangali tai na 😊
Prosecutor Seo Ji-hyun, who first started the Me Too movement in Korea, says she is concerned about the current situation in Korea and needs to stop the hatred.
@@ee-nk5sl then the feminist must show that those two things are not the same. Yet they keep showing more and more that misandry and feminsim are same thing
@@ee-nk5sl it is the same
@@thenoobinvestor6930 w h a t
@@talkingbushrandom4230?
It sounds like Korean right-ring men’s activists are successfully hijacking and rebranding what feminism is for the less informed masses.
Similar hijacking occurs with other social movements. The far right rebranded Black Lives Matter (an anti police brutality movement) as lawless looters; they rebranded democratic socialism (the current systems of Canada and many Northern European countries) as the totalitarian regimes of Soviet Russia. Unfortunately in the US the common person is too uninformed to not fall prey to such tricks.
Please know that they are now harassing an Olympic gold medalist accusing her of being a radical feminist cuz she cut her hair short.
Short cut is not the essence of the problem.
@@jhs5716 There is the other thing she said about “oh-geok-oh-something.” Do you have any proof that she is a solid radical feminist? And why is it that men all hate the idea of men and women being considered of equal standing?
They're so pathetic 🤣🤣
@@jhs5716 아마 당신은 내 말을 이해하지 못했나 봐요. 그녀가 급진적인 페미니스트라는 증거는 무엇입니까? 그녀가 손팻말을 사용했나요? 🤏🏿 그녀가 페 페미니스트라는 것을 알려주는 말을 특별히 했습니까? 한국 남자는 여자와 남자가 동등한 지위를 갖는 것을 두려워하나요?
@@Starfire10982 Yes, Korean men are those who claim that it is male discrimination to replace water bottles. They don't want women's rights to go up because they think they are being discriminated against more.
Feminism means one thing to one person, another thing to another person. Like ‘God’.
If a movement is working to deepen divisions, then it is working against the human spirit.
I'm amazed no feminist called u misogynist by this point😅😂
how to beat down ur enemy efficiently?
split them up to two groups, then have them fighting each other nonstop
who's laughing now? who's winning from this?
exactly, radical feminists ruin feminism for women that actually want to face real issues
That's what the US is doing to themselves too. Split into two groups (Republicans and Democrats) then let them fight amongst themselves.
Rich white capitalists are the only ones who are winning this game.
Who's winning you say? It' the current ruling party of South Korea- the Democratic Party and the Moon Jae In government. They gained a lot from the divide and conquer tactic.
@@bird42069 please educate yourself about radical feminism before u embarass yourself
While I don't agree with this approach I am a bit bemused that there is such an outcry when many men find it ok to make fun of women's looks or comment on their assets...I think it's just showing up the hypocrisy of many men who have no respect for women
Thus , same for women
But have you seen men make an association just to belittle women's body?
I don't think that when men make fun of women's looks, the situation is ignored. In fact, topics about opression against women, bodyshaming women, and anything along those lines gain A LOT of attention in media. We were taught about this in school as well and I think that the general public would agree that these things are horrible. But if a men was to be bodyshamed, it still seen as a funny joke. This is one of the few times I see an men speaking out against body shaming against men and people are calling them "too sensitive".
@@anm2x Of course it should be called out (and that's the point of the video, no?) - but would the men who call it out also stand up for a woman and call out men who harass them or even if it's just locker-room talk make sure that he calls his mates out? Don't leave it to the media and schools to teach men - you have to hold each other accountable
@@bread3987 Not sure where my comment went but to answer your question, yes I have, plenty of times. from a very young age I had to listen to comments about my boobs. Men either make lewd comments about them or they insult my female friends about their "bee sting" boobs. I worked in a garage and there was constantly conversations about how women should look and how they shouldn't look and about their backsides and genitalia. And nobody but the other girls called them out. None of the men did. They all just participated or kept their mouths shut. Again, I am not for this tit for tat approach but can you understand now what it would feel like to a woman? Men find sexual innuendo and locker-room talk hilarious until someone makes comments about THEIR genitalia..Just saying... In Asia women are still expected to be demure while enduring some pretty horrible chit chat amongst guys making comments about their bodies
@@bread3987 It's called the hip hop industry.
I don't care for that radical feminist group at all; they even scare me a little. But goddang that hand sign is so meme material.
I used to live in the US, after seeing one of my peers get pressured into a occupation only because she was a female (OBGYN) I started voicing out as a Feminist. However when I came back to Korea, I realized feminisms here that took root are more of that of misandry. Most 'so called' feminists are not voicing out on equality but rather wanting to create a divide and gain privilege's. Unfortunately the true feminists are far low in number for many reasons. (1. Education, most radical feminists don't bother to educate themselves on most topics, its mostly yelling, if you tune in almost any talk or debate you can see that- One reason a public started viewing ALL feminists as idiots) 2. Image- due to the creation of a a radical feminist website all talks were shared within then released into the public. Among such talks were chats between members claiming "I want to stab my father since he's a male" "I scratched our neighbors car because he's a guy" "Wanting to just kill a random boy on the streets" "All males are potential criminals"- Now you see that's where I had to stop my support within Korea. As from those news I realized 'Feminism' doesn't or merely exists in Korea. Mostly angry, people who need society or males to blame cloak themselves in the guise of 'feminism' here.
I see a lot of youtube comments hating on Koreans for this issue, but realize this is not a simple case like other parts of the world were 'feminism' is being hunted down for no reason.
It's really extreme.
I'm glad we scare you. Continue to be scared.
@@mheekkim2901 They are the true insecure ones.
@@sisilulu. shes a women, yellow menstruator 😂
@@sisilulu.😂 Cope
Why is the hand shape(0:41) the problem? For those who are curious, I will explain it. +why the advertisement(0:20) was controversial
It would be lovely if Asian Boss could interview korean feminists to ask them where they stand on LGBT issue. Because I have seen so many of them ridiculing Gs and Ts and calling them names on the internet.
why Korea man is so sensitive about this 👌emoji?lol，Chinese laugh at you，Chinese man dont care this emoji😏
@@khenbornagain because Korean no confidence，Chinese dont care LGBT🏳️🌈，they can do anything in legal，Chinese is very confident😎
@@fanyang8533 At this point, I have no idea if he is joking or being serious.....
@@khenbornagain feminism includes all women. trans, lesbian, bi any of the + and of any skin color. feminists who dont see trans women as women are the minority lmao they even have a name TERFS- trans exclusionary radical feminists. plz look up what ur saying before spreading misinformation
@@kiki.m1185 The delusion is real. More feminists would call out the BS TWAW meme if they weren’t threatened with physical violence and getting “cancelled” as a result of acknowledging a biological reality. Inducing fear to get your way is nothing new.
The problem is that both sides are trying to win. There is no "winning". It's not a competition. Why can't we all just collaborate and cooperate with each other?
EDIT: seems like this simple comment about wanting peace triggered ppl lmao
if you call going to a public bathroom or hotel with your privacy intact wining then yes
Because the world doesn't work like that? What are you, 10? Spouting childish things like that?
@@jasonsmith8500 omg why are you so triggered hahah
@@lillian5353 triggered? Dude no one is triggered here. Just a guy calling out someone for their childish views
@@jasonsmith8500 i meant it as a rhetorical question? a sort of "i wish the world was a better place" sentiment, you didn't have to be rude about it and call my "view" (not really), childish. i mean that was just uncalled for
To me, it seems this radical feminism has come about as a reaction to the repressive patriarchy. When I lived in Korea, I felt it was like living in the fifties: the gender roles I saw displayed in the media, my friends talking about how it seems the majority of men had affairs, the condemnation of single mothers and older unmarried women, et al. Maybe frustrations are bubbling to the surface?
idk it's stupid asf if they think things are gonna get better by calling men "bugs" and trying to brainwash children... they're not feminists they're terrorists and traitors
"Majority of men have affairs"
Let me take a wild guess that was from a conversation with girls with no source whatsoever to back up.
Basically a delusion at best.
@@shindavid6484 Traitors to who? And the day feminists will actually put up bombs or mass murder sexist men, you can call them terrorists. The audacity lmao
@@davekorus stfu , develop empathy and listen to a woman
@@adeles328 lmao there was a group of feminist teachers discovered that used tactics such as bullying and singling kids out in order to spread their ideologies of men being less than women. if poisoning the youth isn't treason, I don't know what is. do some research before you talk on the matter
that hand sign is about how much respect left i have for feminism.
In my case it shows how patience I have for it.
God, I’m too American, I saw a spicy Cheeto 😂
Lolzzzzz😂😂😂😂😂
My first thought too...🌶
For us indians it looked to me as one small peg 🤣🤣
Lol same
I saw a sausage on a grill
As a Yakuza player, all this means to me is "a glass for the lady".
they must have copied you guys
LMAOOO thats exactly what i thought too, i spent hours playing that
never you are a Yakuza lol
A long time ago, I wrote in the comment section from an SK magazine that I'm a feminist. I've got more than a hundred comments where I've been insulted, harassed even in my inbox by Korean men, being called trash, monkey, and the n-word. It's a real problem.... These men are insecure
I think this video really needed to clarify what "radical feminism" means in South Korea. Women KPop stars get blasted by SK men if they even mention the word "feminism," so "radical" for SK likely means something entirely different than it would in the US, UK, etc . . . it may even mean a woman daring to speak up against male oppression (which is alive and well in SK, unfortunately).
Thats because criticizing feminism gets that same response from haters PLUS biased treatment from the government, so theres a lot of salty men fed up with unfair treatment.
Next time just say you are a little bit feminist 🤏
@@Linda-op7mj oh no 😂😂
@@toriwork8891 You deserve it
It sucks how Korean women now should be careful of eating their snacks by hand just because some men were pissed at a symbol used by an extremist group which they themselves give a body-shaming meaning to.
dont overreact
I'd love to know more about feminism in Korea. Different groups and perspectives. I don't know about this Megalian group, but I'd love to listen to their perspective to see if there's actually misandry or there's more. Also I'd love to listen to more feminists there and their complaints/views
P.D: I really wish people knew what radical feminism is. It doesn't mean "extreme", it means "from the root". It's a philosophical-political issue, it's not about misandry. Please read a book or two on feminism. Like actual feminism written by philosophers, not by influencers or something like that, okay? Next time try to use proper terms if you're talking about sociopolitical issues. Thanks.
Megalian = just radical feminists and exactly actually misandry. You don't need to listen their perspective at all. I am Korean, I was born in Korea, I have grown in Korea, and you can trust me. They are extremely abnormal.
@@박경현-k5f Megalia was born out of the still existence of online korean male places spreading hate on women like ilbe and DC galleries. Clearly there's a missing perspective here.
Radical feminists only exist because of those men's actions. Maybe put the blame on them first?
@맥치킨모짜렐라 keep fighting! 🙌
Everybody wants to listen to feminisms. But nobody is ready to listen to the mens problem in the society, or even silented and censored by the feminism movements.
@@exquis_ When I saw some of the news about the crimes against women in Korea (molka incidents, so many rape drugging in night clubs, Nth room, those galleries for starters) and how they're handled, I'm not even surprised radical feminists like this start to pop up. They really have to address why this started in the first place.
Asian women are cold for shading men with 🤏🏽🤣😂 go ladies 👏🏽
more like hypocritical
Just the fact that the add was taken down by a Man's rights organizations shows how feminism is actually treated in Kr.
In real life, no idol can even be seen with a feminist book or show support to women, they are immediatly bashed.
Korea is really foward in some subjects, but concerning human rights they seem like they are 20 years back.
Nowadays an LGBT person in a kdrama causes so much controversy, while in my country we had them 20 years ago or more.
Korea is fuckin based
its all economic. because employment is so hard, the korean men started to blame the feminists and the government. The deep reason behind this is that femists groups promote hiring more women in firms. Now, the korean men believe that's unfair and start to attack on those radical feminists.
@@briankang4048 what's wrong with woman being in workforce?
Madonna famously said shes a Humanist, not a feminist.
That aside, those that self label as Feminists in S.KOR demand handouts and special treatment because in their own words "women are weaker" which is opposite to how feminism was originally about "accept us for our actual capabilities". Those self labeling as feminists in S.KOR are anti-equality that cherry pick info, thats why that label is disliked.
If only they fought for the womens rights of north korea
That ad was clearly trying to gain attention by capitalizing on the controversy of the hand gesture/feminist logo. I disagree with the guy working in advertising, that wasn't a coincidence, it was planned, and who approved it knew what they were doing.
the guy did said it wasn't coincidence tho. are we reading the same subs?
@@chubbycheeks2941 tho he did beat around the bush suggesting that the managers and higher ups were not aware.
@@zachariahseed1048 you're right but he's also right not to assume that everyone knew about the gesture
@@chubbycheeks2941 Considering the fixed version of the poster also had a suspicious logo of it's own right, it is definitely suspicious.
Thank you for shedding light on this very important topic!!!!
Eunggg!
Very important . Lmaooo
@@ariellekwong206 you are a troll, keep ur toxic childish attitude to yourself
Both of the sides better learn the definition of what the feminism is thanks bye
Asian boss should interview foreigners living in Korea about Korean issues. I think it would be nice to get a view of someone who is looking from the outside in.
These echo chamber groups are all bad. Whether it's racists, misogynists or misandrists. We need to work together. Not divide and attack others.
Misandry isn't real. Where in the world are men being child brides, having acid thrown in their face, sold off, denied education, subject to a matriarchal society, having to bind their breasts, being forced into menstrual huts, etc. You think of misandry when women express unpleasant opinions about men.
Honestly radicalism in any field isn’t good because it often overshadows the cause you’re fighting for. However, I’ve seen a lot of posts online on some S korean men’s reactions to sexual assault/ women’s rights activists and their comments are scary there are many death threats and downplaying of women’s struggles. There really isn’t any middle ground and people aren’t willing to listen. Just the other day I saw a video on skorean men protesting feminism like fr get a job
How do i pick up french fries without assaulting men then? 😳
😂😂😂 fool!
growing pains. that's correct. either group doesn't need to make this into a war but also not just accept and cope. both groups must evolve
Yaa I totally agree.
3:00 This was controversial because not only the hand shape but also the last letter of each word becomes "megal" when combined. But there is no mention of this. There is no problem with the shape of the fingers, but the inclusion of words became a problem.
What's "megal"?
Thanks for elaborating on this issue.
@오폴리 It's not true. That site has been closed and was not even main femism site. They were..like so extreme.. that not much feminists in korea supported them.
Most feminists doesn't really care of that hand shape. haha What can feminists earn with that hand shape movement? It's stupid rumor.. I think these guys just want to fight with girls!!
It's very sad the term feminist was so twisted in Korea, and it's a fact that Korean women face so much sexism because their whole societal structure was built that way. There's so much work to do there, so I wish Korean women the best, because I'm a women and I do understand (hell even my male Friends understand or try to). This raaadical "feminism" is just an extreme response to extreme situations (they're trying to equate what men do to women, of course not all men). If more women are united, you can clean concepts.
Men face more sexism in korea
@@pandana9796 I WISH! lmao this delusion 😭
@@miraeabron4083 you wish that one group of people gets sexism? Do you even realize how sexist you are?
@@pandana9796 BS
@@pandana9796 I wish that was true so the men rights activist actually had some issues to work on
feminists: Lets not body shame!!!
Also feminists:
Those are radical feminists who fight hate with hate.
Classic case of misandry not "radical feminism" anything that demeans or hurts men is misandry
@Dani No
Misandry is good. Somebody needs to humble these beasts
@Dani You guys call anything misandry
@Danny Women have to be beasts to begin with, and we all know which sex perpetuates the most violent offenses against the other.
@@Acidreflux0000women like you call every thing mysogynist
How disappointing! You didn’t talk to women about the issues they deal with every day! And you should have searched the meaning of ‘radical feminist’
The name is Karen, makes sense.
I dont really think there is any need for feminism in developed countries now which includes korea itself....
There is always a need for feminism as long as men exist. You guys have a innate need to hurt and disrespect women no matter the country.
@@Acidreflux0000 Are you living in some kind of alternate reality where women never hurt and disrespect men or other women? There is no justification for organized sexism.
@@Acidreflux0000 I am a women 😃 and yes there is no need for feminism cuz women are the one who disrespect men now
@@Acidreflux0000 Parallel universe from 18 century
@@ahanakanjilal6928 pickmeisha
Nobody cares. Men vs Women vs Men vs Women.
It’s all the same. That vicious cycle the whole time..
True. Meanwhile the rest of us out here having healthy releationships between men and women.
I LOVE KOREAN FEMINISTS!!! THEY'RE SO BADASS!!! 💜💜💜
You guys need to have koreans react to oil London identifying as korean!!! I would love to see their perspective on it!
Koreans don't even know who he is
@@bobematre1522 Asian boss interviewer could tell them…
That dude is pretty sad actually. He really needs help and a good therapist
I think it’s best to not give him that type of attention
@@Anna-bd4mq He's had attention for years, I think koreans have a right to be provided a platform where they can speak their opinions that reach a global audience.
Even I feel offensive after knowing what it means this is pure racism 🙄🙄
I'm not gunna lie tho. That's probably the funniest thing a feminist ever came up with
We've always been funny ☺
@@ariellekwong206 oh stop it.
Why do i get the same youtube recommendation every six months? This is the third time i have watched this whole video. Thumbs up. Now please stop recycling yotube?
Lol with the lowest birth rate in the world, what do they care?
Doesn't Japan have the lowest birth rate?
@@Dom_om_nom they’re pretty bad too not far off to be honest.
@Monarch why? you want east asians to go extinct?
@@Dom_om_nom South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world for the second year in a row, according to a Korean media report based on a UN report.
@@life_is_a_myth It'll take decades to even see a decline in the population at this rate. Lastly, well have artificial test tube babies by the end of this century, so keeping any ethnic genetic bloodline will be solved by science, AI, and a test tube.
Western women sometimes use this gesture too when they want to respond to a man who might have offended them or disrespect them.. Well, we do in France anyway..There is a belief that guys who don't respect women have a small one..Lol!
If you approve of a feminist logo being one of body shaming and misandry, i guess go off sis
@@thfkmnIII misandry is not real
@@candletabletop154 of course misandry is real what else would you call feminists saying all men are trash , kill all men and all the things like that most young girls now think feminism is hating men but that is called misandry
@@user-lb8sk4kf3o that's called a natural response to something that has always been and always will be a THREAT to us on the basis of our biology. men are not in fear of women. give me a break. especially not in mf asia.
@@candletabletop154 ... Kinda. misandry is not real in the sense. women would need to be in power for the mistreatment of men by women to stop being an individual issue and start being a societal one.
in the philippines, we say 'men are trash' and guys would be saying not all men, but the thing is they are too many. men for centuries have been oppressing women so in our perspective, when we say 'man are trash' we know it's not all man, but the abuses and inequality we experienced is too severe that's why we call them out. and for women, we expect them to help us, to recognize the bad things their gender did to us, and help us fight the battle by correcting their fellows and not being an enabler or a standy or saying not all of them bc it hurts their ego to digest that fact. bc compared to your ego, the oppressive act we experienced is far more severe. i think we can only move forward if men will start recognizing what they did wrong and what kind of enabling their commiting if they continue to just not care at all.
I know your counrty is based on matriarchal society. The real and last goal of Korean feminist is making matriarchal country like Phillipines. Cause they strongly believe all power and abuse from men is rooted in *patriarchy system. But I wonder it just spoil men and accordingly men lose their responsibility and on top of that, this is not related with gender Equality when we see only two countries(🇵🇭 and 🇻🇳)who adopted matriarchal society in the world.
Cause there's literally no one who say philippines and vietnam are more gender Equality society than that of korea or others.
What do you think about it? If that system is really right, the rank of gender Equality of 🇵🇭 and 🇻🇳 should be #1, and #2. But the reality is not that great like you referred.
And regarding public peace, korean men also worry about your country too. Really mean it!
@@타마른파스 i did not even brought up my country being matriarchal, and even so we still have lots of battles to fight for inequality and that was my main point. yes, we have the opportunities but when it comes to safety, we still have a long way to go. and no, it wouldn't take away mans responsibility, we work with them side by side. men weren't opressed with their rights just bc woman here get equal opportunities when it comes to socio-political aspects. And why are u guys so scared that women might overtake man? We don't even think about that in the first place, all we want is for the discrimination to stop, an equal right and a society where no one will be afraid for their own safety no matter what gender you have.
@@maimeooww_ what I mean is korean feminists think matriarchal society is the ultimate soulution for gender Equality. look, you said you guys still have lots of problem which proved it's not ultimate solution. Actually I think it just gives more oppression and duties to Phillipine women.
It has nothing to do with ego
Saying we should be sorry for something that happened in the past that we didn't do is bs
Funny how you mentioned 'most' men. Femin1sts like you can't understand the foolishness in this statement
To say most it should be more than 50%
So today's retard femin1sts are using it like more that 2 billion men are abusers of women
I hope now you get the bs of your statement
Let it be anywhere in the world, if that was the case no femin1st would have the balls to even comment this
Stfu man hater and go get a life instead of asking men to apologise which happened decades ago LOL
I prefer equality not some feminism or men supremacy
FEMINISM IS GENDER EQUALITY
@@ec2032
Here's some popular quotes from famous and political feminists.
"The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." - Linda Gordon
"I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." - Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.
"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things." - Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)
"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." - Andrea Dworkin
"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." - Catherine MacKinnon
"The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men." - Sharon Stone; Actress
"All men are rapists and that’s all they are" - Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)
"Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do." - Popular Feminist Graffiti
"We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men." - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
6:17 finally a woman with a brain in all this
I think it’s because a lot of feminists (like a lot of human activists) want equality in the result not in the process. Also, a lot of them produced hate against men in the name of “mirroring”. I think people think that feminism values are contradicting. For example, feminism is about gender equality and that they say men and women are exactly the same. However, when it comes to jobs like police officers, fire fighters, soldier, etc. They say that we need to lower the bar for females so that more women can get in; I mean this is only a part of it. Also, a lot of Korean men think that western feminism is better, but umm…the West faces the same issue with feminism and the issue is rising each year (lots of people are starting to say “woke culture” is problematic). I personally think the concept of “men and women are exactly the same” is such an old topic. People actually think that that’s the knew topic, but it’s really very old; it’s been there for the last few decades. I think we should realize that, in general, men and women are different and try to understand each other, obviously we should also recognize the people who doesn’t fit in the norm, bc that’s also okay.
Yeah, we should accept our differences and respect one another, not vaguely tie ourselves in a way that contradicts biology.
Men on a huff about a finger gesture, yet there's virtually NO women's rights in Korea, and women are treated like trash for simply being a woman. Even in abuse cases, the justice courts of Korea blame the women as if they "asked for it" but say anything about a man and NO! That's where they wanna draw the line.. such a shame.
They even had a woman president. Do you live under a rock?
Keep telling lies so you can victimize women.
the guy at 4:10 is spot on.
except for the fact that the supervisors who approve the design are also culpable. it's their whole responsibility.
The word radical in "radical feminism" is wrongfully placed.
It is not "radical" by any means. People really don't know what radical means.
It rather destructive or not feminism at all.
yes they just hate men but feminism just hope equality
There is definitely radical feminism. Megalia (which is the korean website) is a prime example of that
@@ee-nk5sl Maybe because they claimed that they're feminists while being misandrist?
Or maybe we can call them misandrist feminist instead of radical feminist.
I don't know
That just sounds like a No True Scotsman fallacy
remember that this symbol is towards men who committed acts against women, if they feel offended it is because they actually did something wrong
the voodoos titled "white mares", it became very popular for these men to upload such videos, they also take advantage of girls who wanted to go out with Koreans.
Bs. It's just an excuse.
I adore feminists in South Korea.
With asian females supporting feminism, we will see change.
Sure…but what are the ‘radical’ ideas behind the sign? The sign plays with humor, and it is brilliant marketing.
Not the signs, but the group behind it. Megalian is really notorious among both men and women for their attitudes towards men and society (even my female cousin and her friends, who are in the age group that make up a lot of megalian's members, don't view them very highly). A lot of them make fun of people like korean war veterans or young korean boys, and quite a few of them are also quite transphobic as well apparently. I feel sorry for regular feminists in Korea, since they have to deal with people like them...
Edit: there are obviously a lot of men who are offended at the sign itself, but I'm just giving my opinion as to why the logo, and the group behind it, are so controversial in general.
Men’s Rights?
@오폴리 trust me,men have all the rights. Dont worry about that.
@오폴리 men have immense male privilege
@오폴리 who is benefiting from the wars? The military industrial complex, political leaders, millionaires and billionaires. Who are these people? They're all men.... The suffering of men (fighting in war) is benefiting men. So the man with the boot, pulling all the strings, are men.
@오폴리 that's not a gender issue. That's a class issue. Women are also homeless, and live in subways or whatever. On top of that, they are more vulnerable than any other group to get assaulted. They have babies to feed while many fathers of the children just leave them. Also, just to let u know, if i see a poor guy on the street, I'm not gonna harass him or shame him or whatever unless i see him harass a woman then I'll definitely attack the guy
@오폴리 true but why are most billionaires and millionaires men and not women? Work environment is not as friendly to women as it is to women
Love your videos. Keep up the good work!!
As a Korean feminist, I haven't heard what that hand gesture means. Sexists in korea attach meaning to everything and insist, "This is male hatred". Their insistence is getting worse.
Jae-jae, a Korean female celebrity, had to suffer from malicious comments for her performance of eating chocolate with her thumb and index finger at the awards ceremony. After the controversy, the reason for her performance was revealed, but she is still under attack by them. They still argue with her why she picks up chocolate with her thumb and index finger. Then which finger should I use to eat it?
There is no problem when BTS and NCT use buzzwords such as "5 trillion and 500 million", but if a female celebrity uses them, she is attacked.
Sexists speculated that Korean archery gold medalist 'Ansan' may be a feminist because of her short hair. And they found evidence that she used the buzzword "5 trillion and 500 million" a few years ago. They protested to the Korean Archery Association to deprive her of the gold medal because she is a feminist.
She even used the buzzword before some sexists took issue, but they don't care. Short hair, women's university, her hometown, and the buzzwords she used years ago were enough for sexists to attack her.
I'm not saying people in the video are sexists. I'm just upset that people are instigated by sexists.
@정시우 도덕적 허영심ㅋㅋㅋ 완전 니 소갠데 지금 🤣 그래서 니가 말하는 그 '무고한 사람'이 찔려서 자살한 성범죄자임? 선택적 공감능력 뭐임 진짜
The attack on jaejae was for supporting yang yewon, a youtuber who lied what men sexual abused of her and laughed in one instagram live when of ceo from studio commited suicide. Why do you are lying?? You repeat the same trash what western articles say, why they are siding with korean misandrists like you.
that handsign IS misandry
It about context and mentality not symbol, there was a tiktok trend "I'm this close to" with same hand posture so that doesn't mean we are talking about pp here
But the words doesn't mean what you said