Carol Vorderman is 'fuming' with the Labour Party | LBC
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- Deputing foreign secretary Andrew Mitchell has hit out at Labour defector Natalie Elphicke after she denied claims that she tried to lobby the Justice Secretary over the trial of her sex offender ex-husband.
It comes after she was accused of trying to lobby the Justice Secretary over the trial of her sex offender ex-husband.
Mr Mitchell told LBC's Sunday with Lewis Goodall: "Traitors never sleep well, they are despised by their old party and they're never trusted by their old party.
"I would be very surprised indeed if anyone were to follow Natalie Elphicke who is already presenting very serious problems of principle for the leader of the Labour party who was a former Director of Public Prosecutions.
"If you look at what she's said, she's in opposition to almost everything the Labour party stands for."
Carol Vorderman provides her thoughts and analysis on the defection.
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Labour refused to let Jamie Driscoll stand to be a Mayor on the alleged ground that they have very high standards ... and then we have this!
Jaime was going to win and show Starmer up, what happened?
Your question is irrelevant to the point being made, and you probably know the answer.
@@nicksimmons7234 His score is nowhere as laughable as Susan Hall's. He was a very valuable candidate. We will see what Kim achieves.
Labour have very high standards ha ha ha ha priceless
Jamie is a socialist. He has no place in the modern democratic Labour Party
Bring back Sangita.
Justice for Sangita.
What happened to her?
Vote REFORM for the right to return in 2029.
I have to laugh my head off: your post comes with the byline "Translate into english"> I guess that's why LBC do not understand any of us asking to bring Sangita back. It is not English lol.
@@rusticgames7796 She was ousted for criticising an Israeli politician to his face regarding the current war on Gaza. She is accused of anti-semitism (lol: I am Jewish and also against Netanyahu and his brand of Zionism!!)
Sangita was ok she did upset a few callers
Keir is letting us know that he’s happy to embrace both corruption and morally reprehensible figures.
You're 15 years late.
Welcome to the real world Carol. Starmer has zero principles and I won't be voting Labour for 1st time. Where is Sangita Myska ??
Labour/Tory, whats the difference? - we are about to exchange one set of political grifters for another - time for PR
Agreed. But the only way you GET PR is with 2x Terms of Labour. So grit your teeth and do the important thing.
We all know Labur grifters will be better than tory grifters (even though I am also fuming about Starmer)
What's the difference?! 🤣
@@matthewframpton8737labour will never implement PR just like the tories won't as it it's an end to either party getting a majority. Matthew you are clearly living in dream world... It would be like turkeys looking forward to Christmas
Don't vote for either of them then
Anyone who had any faith in Starmer as a man of principle was already deluded or hasn't been paying attention.
How did you miss his headlong rush to dump all previous policy promises, anyone with even slightly left views and charge to the right?
Elphicke is just the obvious symptom of the sickness when Abbott is still out.
I want to know WHY DIANNE is still in the LEIBOR PARTY.
@@katpuss6564she’s not she’s been kicked out and sits as an Independent
@Anmeteor He's trying to win an election. Principles are always compromised. Welcome to the real world of politics.😊
@@maverick5039 That's news to me and probably Abbott too. This must be VERY recent, so where did you read it?
Totally agree Keir is a wolf in sheep's clothing .
You're lucky you to have someone as brilliant as Carol, LBC. It's a shame what you did to Sangita.
She will if she asks any difficult questions to any likud representatives.
She definitely "enhances" the program in many ways. Not sure her third class "engineering" degree really helps her here. Nor does her "un-earned" rank in the RAF.
Brilliant? That's a fxcking bar.
@@lawrenceabbott5292whereas you earned a degree in engineering at what level?
@@lawrenceabbott5292Dude, did I post that? Were we separated at birth? 😂 I do believe her much vaunted degree was a fail? Having served 28 years in the RAF I'm not too impressed to see her plastic backside in a Group Captain's rig.
In similar news, Listeners are fuming with LBC over lack of Sangita Myska and transparency surrounding her removal.
And replacing her with the awful Vanessa
Who owns LBC
You must know that this site is nothing more than a mouth-piece.
@Sion Haven't you got over your fume yet?
She is the last straw for me, the Labour Party is no longer a socialist party, it no longer represents my views, they are now Red Tory's and I am out. Not to the Tory's of course, I'm seriously disappointed, I'm not mad. Sadly I'm not sure what is left, not a lot, that's for sure.
It hasn't been a proper socialist party for years except when Corbyn was leader, but is definitely at its worst now!
Not mad. Not for. But out. Great stance! 🤷♀️
No fan of the Conservatives but I don't think socialists will help you. What we need are university students doing STEM and working in the creative industries to actually generate enhanced GDP once they graduate.
@@lawrenceabbott5292 There are two generations like that, wasted. We cherish art, we are well educated. No luck. Judging from your comment, you don't even know we exist. Hi 👋
They're not even red anymore
I agree, Carol. This woman doesn't belong in politics at all.
Kier always looked, sounded and acted like a Tory, always thought he'd defect to be honest
I wish he would defect so we can have the Labour Party back
You'll vote Labour in though
Corbyn tried that and lost spectacularly.
@@buntyjoy1800 you’ve never seen The Labour Files, obviously.
@@AlBarzUK Don't tell me, he actually won.
Im a working class man,in the local elections , for the first time in my life, i didnt vote labour. , as they simply dont represent me, they are just the tory party with a red tie ,they should not accept an MP who has been complicit in the most corrupt government we've ever had,, after this i rest my case, , where is the morality, its so disappointing. , i voted green by the way
I went Green.
They haven't represented you for decades...
@@Bad-wolfe true but I decided to ditch tactical voting, I hate the tories so much just wanted them out,however you have to vote for the policies that you resonate with, try to back PR
@Mark So the penny finally dropped. They're only interested in the working class vote...not the working classes!
Don’t forget the last true socialist labour leader ( corbyn ) who got absolutely smashed by the media with lie after lie after lie got hammered in the last GE.
Since 1945 we have had 53 years of the tories.
Since 1979 we had 32 years of the tories.
And look what has happened.
Starmer ensured all the checks were carried out into Elphicke's history and couldn't find anything even slightly left wing about her and not a wiff of socialism. So she passes with flying colours.
Welcome to Starmers Labour Party
You know she's not standing at the election yes? She isn't gong to represent anyone. Would you rather she stayed in the tory party until then and gave the tories more seats?
@@davecross4493 I'd rather the Labour Party was lead by a man of principle and not a weathervane.
@@davecross4493 ...well that's alright then
@@robbie9629 I’m grateful for what we’ve got.
@@robbie9629 I don't know what you mean by that. Anyone can join the any party as long as they are not put up as a candidate. Parties don't tend to refuse people for things they said outside the party. You can only throw someone out for not abiding by party rules once in the party.
Know how you feel Carol, the way LBC treated award winning, audience growing Sangita Myska has disappointed me too
She was nonsensical imo.
@monkey She's trying to avoid listeners like you.
@@chatham43 Mate.
That doesn't event make sense. That you thought to type this out thinking was witty or an own is just embarrassing.
Tories comedians really are the worse. Better luck next time.
I was wobbling on Labour for a long time. This did it for me. I torn my Labour membership and decided to join the Lib Dems and will be voting for them. I hope that me being a member can represent a working class voice and reclaim ownership on what is seen as traditionally "Labour" policies like more council/social housing, ending right to buy, bringing rail into public ownership, and workplace democracy/workers co-partnerships with their employer.
Welcome to the party
I personally find it amusing that Carol has been so naive as to believe the Labour Party were innocent 😇? 🤣🤣🤣
You know she's not standing at the election yes? She isn't gong to represent anyone. Would you rather she stayed in the tory party until then and gave the tories more seats?
Starmer tell her to become an independent as you are not that desperate,have a backbone man.
He is desperate
14 years of losses will make a party desperate
Have been saying for a long time that Kier is not anybody I could ever vote for and was poo-pooed and told I was just allowing the tories back in power. Well centrists, the penny is finally dropping isn't it but you've made the bed for us haven't you.
Kier Starmer is being Kier Starmer. This is consistent with the last 4 years in Labour politics. Anyone who thinks he is offering anything other than Tory continuity government has not been paying attention.
@Cassandra He's trying to win an election. Do you want another Corbyn disaster? The Brits don't buy socialism and never have. It's inherently conservative with a small "c".
Possibly why so many people have lost faith in politics of every stripe. "Here are my principles. If you don´t like them I have others." What exactly does Labour stand for now?
@andy Winning the next election?
How can any of these people still walk around and a) not be completely embarrassed!?? And b) not be shun by their peers?
There's NO-zero-negative politician that cares one flying hoot about what civilians think.
there are obviously a few but I understand your point
I trust George Galloway, Craig Murray and Richard Medhurst. And all of the others who are funding themselves to stand for the Worker's Party. And where they don't stand INDEPENDENT are a BETTER BET THAN ANY F THE OTHERS. in red white yellow or green.
@@katpuss6564 I follow Galloway and indeed think he is honest and cares about a few honourable issues. I'm an Italian living in The Netherlands so ven as his politics will never touch me I do admire his guts.
@@katpuss6564 Galloway is a homophobic bigot but I do respect his honesty about it.
Lock Buckland up. Labour have now lost my vote. I have now lost faith in Kier Starmer due to this.
It's Labour or the Tories mate. Pick one. Personally - Labour will need to do a LOT more than this to be worse than the Tories in my books. (Yes she's repugnant - but she doesn't matter enough to get me to change my vote to support *vauge gestures at the Conservative party since 2010*)
@@matthewframpton8737the only viable party is REFORM UK.
@@Land-of-reason I feel really bad for you man that you've been taken in by that Con. But no, no it is not. They offer EXACTLY the same as the Tories but with even MORE populism.
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It took you this long?
Can I point out that Robert Buckland's story means he is either lying now to the Mail and made this story up. Or he was dishonest at the time by with holding that information from the inquiry. What an own goal by the tories. "We are all dishonest". This story is actually seriously damaging to Bucklands credibility. I dont support Labour welcoming Elphinstone but I understand the short term gain and decision. But all Labour MP's need to point out now is that Buckland is dishonest then or now. There is no other way.
Just remember this: a Tory speaks, a Tory lies
@@martinhommel9967 Thanks for the advice. But It is something I have known for 5 decades
@@jonsteele7227 it can’t be stated enough
You won't get decent and honest politics with starmer. Dont vote Labour.
We have had more than enough of right wing Tory politicians,; there is no place in theory for this person to be in the Labour Party. No way would I ever vote for Labour under Keir Starmer.
Right wing, do yourself a favour. The Tories are far more left wing than Liebour. Looking at the national debt, they have outdone Liebour in that respect!!!! They have no backbone, another lefty trend... I could go on but think you may have a few grey cells!
Right wing 😂😂 stop it.
If Starmer was ethical he would stand down and make way for a real Labour leader
@@ValerieSinclairStevens labour is doomed 🤣
Who in their right mind ever had any faith in Keir Starmer?
@steven Well you did for a start.
@@chatham43 what are you talking about,I've never voted Labour in my life and never will.
I was undecided whether or not to vote for Labour but this has convinced me not too
So basically you want another Conservative government then
@@daviddavidson7079 Not necessarily. There are options: libdems, greens, SNP, some independent. The main point is: tories should not get a majority.
It's Labour or the Tories mate. Pick one. Personally - Labour will need to do a LOT more than this to be worse than the Tories in my books. (Yes she's repugnant - but she doesn't matter enough to get me to change my vote to support *vauge gestures at the Conservative party since 2010*)
@@daviddavidson7079 In your dreams....
@@matthewframpton8737very narrow minded. It’s not just about who gets into power, there are people you can vote for that may influence the larger parties policies. For example, when people voted for UKIP it got them a referendum for scaring the tories. If more people vote green, it may scare Labour into more left wing policies
Labour not Labour it's
2nd Conservative
You know she's not standing at the election yes? She isn't gong to represent anyone. Would you rather she stayed in the tory party until then and gave the tories more seats?
Elphic is the new labourtory party. It's a one party system in Britain now .
You know she's not standing at the election yes? She isn't gong to represent anyone. Would you rather she stayed in the tory party until then and gave the tories more seats?
@@davecross4493 NO Tories full stop. We used to know who the enemy was ,not now under Starmer. Starmer has taken the party so far ROC only closet Tories and proud to be loud Tories feel at home in labour.
The fact that anyone who has faith in Keith Starver has a radio show in the UK should scare us all. Mind you it's Leading Britain's Censorship.!
I’m with you Carol, I’m with Jess too… The whole” thing stinks. To BEAT anyone at ANYTHING you just need to be better. Starmer by falling to their levels and playing the same old, well worm political games has PROVEN what many of us have ALWAYS thought of him… A man who can show integrity and decency is FAR MORE LIKELY to carry people with him. Starmer has ZERO integrity, the man’s a FRAUD, it’s just MORE if the SAME and we REALLY deserve BETTER, particularly after 14 years of pure idiocy. Elphicke is a narcissist, quite possibly a true sociopath and Starmer would have been wise to “hold talks” and then out her at PMQs, letting EVERYONE know Labour are ABOVE such SH1TE.
It stinks, Starmer stinks IMO and for the first time in my life I shall have to hold my nose when giving my vote, I’d rather vote GREEN if they had the numbers to go forward. Starmer is taking the Polling Leads for granted, Taking US for granted (as the Local Election Muslim votes proved). He’s arrogant and although he will be PM he needs to be wiser and show a little more NOUS.
👏👏 Well said! I've been a Labour voter for over 40 years, and I am horrified at Elphicke being welcomed into the Labour Party. She is everything we have railed against for the last 14 years, her values and beliefs are in the sewer. What on earth was Starmer thinking? Deeply disappointing and so angry that this idiotic move has left me pondering where to place my vote. Of course the idiots will say" so you want a tory government then?" Erm, no, I will die an old woman having never ever voted for a tory, BUT, I won't vote for a party that dredges up the bottom feeders from the tory benches either, to sit on Labour benches! Elphicke is rotten to the core, simple as that and it doesn't sit well at all. This stunt to get one over on Sunak is short-sighted and a massive own goal.
Another sewerella.😂😂😂
Starmer more dangerously than Tony two face Blair 😳
Don't vote labour then..
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I don't believe in political tribalism. And I want to see Labour dismantle the Conservative Party one minister at a time until Sunak finally calls for a general election.
If Buckland felt so compromised why has he waited until now to speak out? Because it’s behaviour he might expect from a Tory but now she’s crossed to Labour it comprises their higher standards of behaviour?
it was a typical Tory ignore the rules job and kept secret as usual, now Starmer's taken on this vile MP it's ammo for the Tories to use to get their own indiscretions and mismanagement of the country off the front pages
Makes you wonder if Starmer gets all his advice from Murdoch.
Couldn't agree more
Having said that vilifying Starmer when you have a bunch of crooks as we have now in government is also not valid.
Bad bad move. I am a lifelong Labour voter. 40 years plus. Horrendous woman. Get her out. I agree wholeheartedly with you. Tories out, but I will watch my party and expect them to deliver.
Get ready for a Purple Tory government larping as a Labour governement. We tried to tell you...
I’m absolutely convinced he’s totally aware of what she is.. but is using it to make a statement about clueless Rishi..
He needs to show that he won’t go to these dodgy levels to win votes. Win votes by actions that are positive not winning them by dropping levels.
End all food and drink deliveries into the Borough of Westminster.
Stop feeding the beast.
Why cross the floor but say you are not standing at the next election. Pointless !!!!
Anyone who had an ounce of faith in Labour party need has a mental issue!
Don't despair - Lord Cameron assured Laura K this morning that he is relieved by the defection, and that The Plan is working.
I totally agree with you.
@richard You certainly do. And you're here to prove that!
if this isn't an indication to vote liberal democrat or green I don't know what is
Liberal are pro /Israel... Green haven't got any ooomph.
Never did I believe Starmer was anything but someone who is only interested in himself and very much like the Tories....welcoming them into the party with open arms, Elphicke is a wrong un. Bring back Corbyn. Not even tactical voting can help us, hoped it would. We're doomed. You mark my words, I've repeatedly said this since Starmer showed his face.
Just vote for another party. People should not vote for them. They will be the same as the tories
If Natalie Elphicke has joined Labour then some Tory voters might vote Labour as well.
We're Closer to having a one party state (we do already, tbh).
And they spent three weeks trying to bury Angela Raynor! We must question Starmer's judgement (yet again).
If this is what it has taken for anyone to question Starmers credentials to lead the Labour party, then they just haven't been paying attention.
You know she's not standing at the election yes? She isn't gong to represent anyone. Would you rather she stayed in the tory party until then and gave the tories more seats?
Remember when Carol was well in with the Tory party? Hypocrite
I totally agree with Carol, but i have since been told she is stepping down at next GE, so does it matter in the long run? Although letting people like her joining our party
Faith in Starmer.
Who has ever had that to be fair.
Whats Starmer going to do with Streeting.
Stammer are you mad ,yes I agree with you Carol it's unfathomable that this woman is excepted into the Labour party what the back is he thinking .
@annem You don't have to agree with her. It's allowed here.
Carol, you must feel foolish now then after championing Labour so much?
They're just protecting their own necks due to imminent Labour led collapse.
I am horrified that this woman is in parliament, and I am further horrified that Labour has accepted her! It's disgusting
Think Carol forgets she was not long ago a big cheer leader for David Cameron.
Need tories out so no choice. Reform is disturbing
Labour and tories are both the same
@apple Why are they disturbing..or haven't you reached that point yet?
Wake up and smell the Coffee Carol. Shes just jumping into the next party to gain advantage
Don't get me wrong if I was drawing up a list of Tory MP's I dislike at the start of last week Natalie Elphicke would be right up there with the worst of them and I don't see she adds anything to the Labour party and I don't personally like her any more as a result. However, the big knock on Starmer is he is boring and safe... Whatever you think of Elphicke this isn't a safety first nor a boring move!
No, the"big knock" on Starmer is that he's a habitual and shameless liar without any principles.
@@user-hs4ti2dg6l Can't say that is one I have heard a lot myself, not saying that I disbelieve you. I would be stunned if you haven't heard people saying he is dull and risk avarice?
Tories out
When a person with her values is acceptable to the Labour Party alarm bells have to be ringing of their mountings. These people don't work for working people, and when the Overton window has shifted so far right it's a grace concern for the future of this country.
I think it a huge mistake if anyone judges the Labour Party and Keir Starmer over this. Even bigger mistake to not vote Labour because of this.
There is no doubt that Elphicke has espoused completely unacceptable views which make her unfitting to have any impact whatsoever on Labour Policy.
Luckily, or rather more likely by intention (Starmer’s, most likely) she cannot do that. She is not standing at the next election and there is no way she can impact Labour policy - except in one area which is housing. In this area she has considerable experience and has views which have a huge overlap with Labour policy. She can be useful to Labour and on balance it may well have been a benefit overall to pursue that especially with the added benefit of creating more disarray for the Tories.
However that benefit can easily erode if people start saying that this proves Starmer is right wing and cannot be trusted. It’s nonsense. Maybe he is right wing, which I very much doubt, but this doesn’t even get close to proving it.
Tactical voting is the way forward whatever happens and I am grateful to you Carol for being such a champion for it. You vote for which party is best placed to get the Tory out. It’s that simple in this election. If you don’t, you help this party which has wreaked such havoc minimise damage.
If Starmer is as bad as some say he will not be as bad as these Tories. No way!
People say there’s no difference between Labour and Tory policy. Absolute garbage. I can list 20 policies really quickly that are hugely different from Tories and more if pressed. We could have Labour in power with LibDems as Opposition and a few Greens hopefully continuing Caroline Lucas’s impeccable example in Parliament. With Tories third and completely without influence. Isn’t that something to fight for? Let’s not get caught up in this non-issue as Elphicke can never influence Labour policy.
If Starmer is as bad as some on the far left say then there is going to be more chance to pressure him from the left with few Tories around with zero power.
The double standards in media reporting matches the double standards in Government. This three legged tie up needs smashing up so that everyone has to work to new chartered standards, applying equally to all.
You've backed the wrong horse Carole
I can’t see Labour accepting Elphicke as anything other than a short term dig at Sunak, which I think has backfired since it’s instantly clear what kind of person she is
Why do we keep electing party leaders who hate the party?
I couldn't care less. It's embarassing for the Tories and there's no guarantee her local CLP will select her to stand in the next election. They likely have their own candidate who's been working hard to unseat her.
Even Michael Fabricant couldn't believe it as she is so horribly right wing
she kept his name. that says it all
Maybe she’s got a key to the skeleton cabinet.. if so, tories will be shaking in their boots.. all is for a reason.. 🤔🤔🙄😎
A vote for the Green's is a vote for the Tories - just remember that!
I am a lifelong labour supporter, thinking winning a possible (unlikely) few votes from the right at the cost of many (likely) from labour is ridiculous. Through Kier's (in my opinion) dreadful leadership I have been determined to hold my nose and still vote labour because of my hatred of the tories, now I have to choose between hatred and principle, I may not even vote now. I am tearing myself apart now. Horrendously naive decision.
Yes, that is exactly how I feel too.
13:50 Can these radio hosts just let people speak. Don’t interrupt her before she has even finished her first point! It really annoys me!
Imagine not being able to see Starmer for exactly what he is until now...Also, where's Sangita?
MPs should not be allowed to cross the floor, should be a by-election.
Yes, Labour have harmed themselves by accepting her, but it’s nowhere near as damaging as it is for the Tories.
How is it damaging? the Tories know they will lose at the GE so don't care labour on the other hand have lost credibility in many who thought that they had some credibility to the rest of us who know they have no credibility they are just a laughing stock
Carol used to be a staunch tory too.
Hi Carol, if she stands for the same location at next election and gets voted back I , who’s to say that she won’t jump ship again, also will the Labour voters accept her as their MP, so May vote for another
Carol can you please do us all a favour and put yourself on the road to becoming 1st sane PM iv ever would of seen in my 43 years !
@kappas But what about poor Sangita. Forgotten about her already?
16:30 Why do you have people call in if all you want to do is voice your own option. You had time to do that before, no?
They set a trap that even a blind person could have seen coming
Absolutely ridiculous! What on earth is Starmer thinking? How can he accept this woman into the Labour Party? His decisions, especially regarding Israel's right to defend itself and the utter carnage that followed, is shameful and both politically disgusting and utterly heartless. Starmer is making some awful decisions whilst we need a moral, brave leader to distance Labour light miles away from the Tory party. Bring back Jess Phillips now.
I think that when you expect everyone to be perfect, and where there is always dirt for the media to dig up, there's always going to be an argument that the people in power shouldn't be.
I'm sure that if the microscope was on you Carol, that it would be more than an arythmetic mistake that you'd be worried about. Judgementalism begets judgementalism.
Bizarre that someone with as high an IQ as Carol Vorderman would have ever had any faith in Keir Starmer in the first place! It's been patently obvious since 2019 that there are only the slightest of differences between the Tories and Starmer's Labour.
This will divide the Labour Party at some point in the future when things aren't going well. They will be caught out in hypocrisy at some point too.
Why did anyone think Labour was the answer to anything or Tory for that matter?
@bert They fall for it every election time expecting something better!
I lost faith in Starmer when he, as a former human rights lawyer, ordered his MPs to abstain on a vote on human rights legislation, i lost faith in him when he in essence told the labour members who had signed up under Corbyn to get lost. He's a red Tory, plain and simple, we'll be on course back to New Labour again.
The trick to coalition-building is that you can't let just anybody into your coalition.
We have been trying to get these gangster out for 14years and then they take one in starmer mayor mistake
It seems to me that this incident has caused net support for Labour to go down.
To all those that support the defection and who chastise those that oppose it, I ask,
What actually have you "won"?
How can Starmer be taken seriously as an agent for change when he displays such astonishingly poor judgement. Should such a man really be considered as a man with the necessary qualities to lead the UK? Or is he just as useless and devoid of talent as the offerings on the other side?
It never ceases to bemuse me, that people who claim to be so politically savvy, in reality haven't got a clue. Carol is fuming, is she? She hasn't got the faintest idea about how power politics really works. People like this just endlessly react - to whatever. It's nothing more than dumbing-down for the masses, for 5 minutes of meaningless outrage. What is Power, and where is it, Carol? You don't know. What's the point of these people?
Spot on Carol! I am disgusted that Labour has done this and he is starting to divide people. Ms Elthick has done nothing for the people of Dover, she’s a hopeless mp and now THIS!
Absolutely agree with you! 💯
How many times does kier starmer have to show people exactly who he is before they will start to believe him?
Who cares what some past-it minor celebrity says in a desperate attempt to stay in the public eye.
Oh dear, thats tragic.
UK-RG maths prof network says GE24 = lowest ever turnout % due to 2 distrusted bosses in Starmer & Sunak. Carol must start a new party of Centre-Left MP's with integrity eg like John Smith & Harold Wilson.
Sir Kier is a tory !
CAROL should join the Worker's Party like the brilliant CRAIG MURRAY.
Ha ha,..La Vorderman disenchanted already with Sir Galahad Keir ???..and that is even before he has the keys to No 10 🤨🤨...
Andy Brigeden is the only MP speaking out and is making sense to me rite about now.