the argument he made about "imagine someone stealing most of a book you worked on and republishing it" seems like a false equivalency. it's more like imagine i wrote a book that everyone loved and i gave it away for free, and then i took everyone's copy away and burned them and burn any new copies because i wanted to write a new book and charge for it.
still not really a fair comparison.. authors don’t have to constantly pay for employees, pay to upkeep servers, hell, LEARN to upkeep servers, all FOR FREE. i get the feeling a lot of gmtower players are just entitled
@@oak7741 they're only doing this because tower unite is a failed product. I dont see the DayZ devs taking down Arma 2 dayz because nobody plays arma 2 dayz (as far as im aware) because Standalone is a better product. Tower unite was bugging boring and took years to catch up to the gmod version. The devs are just salty
@@Chungus36000 tower unite has stayed updated for years and has a consistent player base what failed product are you speaking of lmao, gmod is just as dead
my favorite part about tower unite has to be the fact that you can just walk up to one of those "coming soon" signs and check their trello board and see exactly what is actively being developed.
Yeah, I really love that. I can see Tower (hopefully) slowly growing bigger and bigger, heck, bigger maybe than Gmod Tower itself even. It will eventually offer VR support, things that were simply not in GMT, such as Horror Hill mode in years to come and a whole lot more. I really wish for Tower's success but I am kind of worried about it's future. I really do not want it to drop dead like GMT eventually did, even if GMT's death wasn't a slow, natural one.
I remember PixelTail promising they'd release the source code for GMod Tower, but only after Tower Unity comes out of Early Access. That was four years ago.
I've read this somewhere on the internet once: "People don't want a re-imagining of things, they want to re-visit what they had back in all those years", which is the part PixelTail isn't getting to and why their new thing isn't as popular as GMod Tower
That makes sense it was also popular because it was FREE if you had Gary's Mod the new version just can't compete with something like VR which is free and let's you import your own custom player models
The other issue is it was community made, they just used the same maps everyone else did. Now they are forced to create their own due to there stance on stealing content. The maps are omega small and just aren't as good if you can even grab a lobby of uch it just isn't the same and the fact only 8 players can play it's strange that the people who made it just can't understand it wasn't about the community only
@@Abakato it really isn't, it lacks the creative and remakes of the steam workshop remove it from unite and you'll have no skins or condo items, the maps are terrible some arcade lack good physics, no ine actually plays even uf they do tbey arent playing any mini games, imagune paying 20$ for shit you can't play solo
I was huge into Gmod when I was a kid but I didn't have a PC powerful enough to handle Gmod Tower. I was so excited when I got my first desktop PC, and then I found out that Tower had shut down a few days before.
I played for a couple of weeks Shit stuck with me more then the hundreds of hours spent on Twoscore servers playing TTT or deathrun (think half my friends-list is still just old users and admins) I could spend most of the day just playing UCH, the Mother 3 atmosphere sold that gamemode, talking to people and just having fun
@@commisaryarreck3974 damn, i missed out alot on gmod servers. I got 2,500 hours. But I was mainly modding the source engine and animating. Porting ragdolls and stuff, I personally was never really interested in the mp 🥲
The reason GMod Tower worked so well was because of all the flaws you could make out in it. Source was by no means something that could uphold it, but that gave the work all the more charm and amazement. You could see the seams breaking in the code and it was a love to behold how well they were stitched up. A lot of the content you also saw used in the Tower was content from other Source games. You had that nostalgic feeling seeing CSS Office walls in the lobby, TF2 maps in Chimera, or feeling like every weapon in Virus was just taken as a reskin from GameBanana. GMod Tower had a "Community" feeling where as Tower Unite has a "Product" Feeling. GMod was broken, and nostalgic. Each bit of the gamemode had to be written by exploiting every drop of the engine, and pouring love into every asset that would cost even one more entity in the BSP limits. That feeling is ultimately lost in Tower Unite because it is too clean, too perfect, sterile, flawless. It lost the charm of a community sweat-and-tears project and instead it just got "produced". I wouldn't say the port has lost any soul, but I'd say it lost a charm only the outdated 2012 Source engine could provide...
I think this is pretty well said. It doesn't feel the same, far from it and it definitely has just it's own feel. But I disagree that a sense of community has had been lost. I can easily recall some more or less vague, but still memories of people coming in to my condos and rating them in Tower Unite and such and there's still many people creating content from scratch for Tower Unite such as unique player models as commissions.
It's funny you say this because Tower Unite easily has 10x as much love and work put into it. They don't have to simply "make do" with source assets anymore they can actually create the game they wanted to make in the first place.
.. Okay, you know what. Now that I think about it, I retract part of my previous statement from 2 months back. At first, I forgot what you meant but going back to old maps and stuff from Gmod Tower that some people still have and replaying those old maps and all that in regular Gmod sandbox mode, I can get what you feel now. To be completely honest, I have no idea why I lost the sense of that in the first place. I certainly, very much do miss Gmod Tower being broken af and limited with Source. Yes, Tower Unite is the peak dream of Pixeltail team developers, but at the same time, there's no denying that Gmod Tower had and still has that something that Tower Unite misses. I think back then, in that original comment of yours, you pointed it out very well. Even playing those days and having had played all the time even before for all those years, Tower Unite that is, it just feels.. Bad. It feels kind of empty, as much as I enjoy it and it's community. It's not even the lack of Source atmosphere, though that's ABSOLUTELY a huge part of it as well, it's primarily that, exactly as you have stated, that game, Tower Unite like.. I don't really understand WHY they can't or don't want to make it just a bit more silly. Less empty, give it more emotion. THAT'S the thing that drove me back to Gmod Tower all those years back. I so, so wish they would bring this back. I rarely play Tower Unite anymore because of the atmosphere but also the general repetitiveness of all the content, but yeah, the atmosphere is solidly missing, clean and just.. Wrong. I certainly wish Tower Unite continued success and I will keep playing it for long years to come for as long as it's alive with developers and community, but at the same time, I can not wait for the day when Gmod Tower is released into public after Tower Unite's final release. The moment people start hosting OFFICIAL and LEGAL rehosts with content now officially approved to be reused by developers, that's the day I'm so going back to the old days, even if only for a short while. While there is currently Gmod Tower Reunion, it's just not the same, the Lobby 1/original Lobby holds no nostalgic value for me nor do I share any memories with it, it's just also genuinely quite bad AND there is Tower Unite's absolutely abusively aggressive ads everywhere - It's not like they don't have the right to promote their game, they absolutely do but they definitely went too far on that one. Gmod Tower Reunion, simply doesn't feel like Gmod Tower to me - At all. Having said all that, there's also the issue of being unable to just have fun in Tower Unite's lobbies with stuff like fireworks which would have had been amazing - It was a thing you could do at one point but ultimately removed as not worth the time or something like that as far as I recall. Regardless, I just want them to give Tower Unite at least a bit more feeling and life - That's all I really wish for for this game and that alone will help bring me back into it at least a little bit more.
@@thatparkerkid368Well good for them, I suppose, but a lot of people don’t seem to really be that deeply in love with what the creators want and eventually no amount of love and care you put into something ain’t going to matter if people just aren’t that interested in it.
@@thatparkerkid368 i think the saying "you may be the sweetest peach in the tree but some people just don't like peaches" applies here. You can have an incredible product filled with love and care, doesn't mean people have to or do like it.
Haven't seen the video yet but GMod Tower was such an experience back in the day. The fact people are still using aspects of it like Pointshop still today is super cool aswell.
I'm sad I didn't get to experience GMod Tower; I was a lot younger when it came out. If it manages to get a reboot, whether that be from the community or the same developers, I would totally want to give it a try. The closest I've ever gotten to an experience to this was GMod Bowling, which has unfortunately also grown inactive.
Such simpler times. The team behind the HL2 co-op mod Obsidian Conflict were quite close with Mac for some time during GMT's golden era and we were allowed to have our own custom player models! It truly brings back fond memories.
6:34 Sounds to me like their new product simply doesn't deliver for the original fan base. Doesn't matter how much work was put into the project. There's a reason Halo MCC has more players than Infinite. There's no way I would fork over money for a mediocre spiritual successor before I replay the original, no matter how it's available. They should not have tried to cut off access to the original if it was clearly still that popular. I'd call that hubris.
Tower Unite couldn't deliver because it was way too ambitious. Sure it has most of the gmod tower minigames, but all of them are buggy and half baked. They should have narrowed the scope from the start.
Which doesn't change the fact that I wish best for Tower. I hope Tower Unite gets ironed out and lives on for longer than GMT, even if it will be less popular. They may have had controversies and all sort of crap but they still love their project and when you are inside of Discord or forums community, you can see developers working with community to fix bugs and discuss ideas.
@@deadturret4049 The games parts is sad indeed. I truly hope it changes and the game doesn't die out. It's not like GMT but it still has a place in my heart and I love it for what it is.
Gmod Tower was a fantastic gamemode, and was the main reason I got Gmod in the first place. I remember logging in and just being amazed by all the minor things, like the over 100 people in the same map, the decorative and cozy suites, and being able to play UA-cam videos on the screen. Lobby 1 was one of my favorites, it perfectly encompassed the feeling of Half Life 2/Gmod, which was a bit droll and dreary, but despite that, it felt like it had life with how sunny it felt at the same time. I spent most of the time playing Ball race and source karts. Lobby 2 had it's own charm to it, but it wasn't nearly as good or had as much personality as lobby 1, mostly due to how it felt like "everything was in one place, and not neatly sectioned off." I made some great friends on the server, and would play it nearly every day whenever I could. When Tower Unite came out, I remember immediately buying it as soon as it came out, to some optimism and disappointment. A lot of the gamemodes that were in Gmod Tower were missing (the only available gamemodes were Virus, Ball race, Minigolf, and a new "Planet Panic", which has been completely unlisted). There was a pretty weak variety of items in comparison, the only major upgrade to the decoration was Canvases, allowing you to put whatever picture on the internet into the game, which was fun. While I had high hopes for the future, the beginning was bland. the Casino wasn't even there from the beginning. They have a Trello that promised things that were in Gmod Tower, like maps, gamemodes, and arcades, but had a lot of really big promises, like fishing, cooking, and even island exploration, but even today in 2024, a lot of their promised additions are in the backlog, or were released to not much hype. Tower Unite today is still very much a fun game, with a bunch of workshop additions to recreate the infinite possibility, maps that very much encourages people to build literally whatever they want, and a dedicated fanbase that's still keeping the game fairly active even after almost a decade since it's release, but it simply can't hit it's old audience or any proper audience for that matter. The only time it really jumps up is when a new major update is added, creating a new gamemode or feature to the game, but it's around 80-100 people in the game as a whole most of the time. I really wish that one day it'd jump up the popularity it had when it first released, where plaza maps would be almost full constantly and you'd meet new faces almost every time, but you'll come across a couple familiar faces almost everytime you get to the most populated lobby. Thanks for bringing back the memory that was Gmod Tower, it was a game I loved when I was 10 or so, and now that I'm 22, I still would love for a comeback to either Gmod Tower in an actual form, or Tower Unite to be much more active.
personally i love both versions, i miss the old source spaghetti but i don't blame them too much for wanting to move on, just wish they were a bit less crass about it
Great video! Easily one of your best on the channel! 30 minutes never went by so fast. Also very happy to have helped you, it was a complete pleasure and I'm willing to help you with anything else you need. Keep up the good work Richter! And eternal love for GMod Tower
I hope one day Pixeltail and fan-run revival projects are able to strike some sort of deal to have GMod Tower truly brought back to its fullest. I do play Tower Unite myself from time to time and it is pretty solid and it's only seeming to get better as time goes on, so I do recommend picking it up for what it is, but I think I'd genuinely cry out of pure nostalgia if I went back to the first tower lobby to see it bustling with life and activity.
Yes buy copy get to play, like they could just find a way to sell accounts of gtower. Your code changes everyday so if you don't pay you lose assce, I bet no one would care if it was a subscription game
@@miickydeath12 It's certainly better than never and I highly doubt it will take them this long. I suspect Tower Unite's content might be finished in 7 years or a bit less since they are slowly getting main things done and next is VR support to get attention of more people and have the community be more open and inclusive. On that hand though, please do not hate on PixelTail. They are not even an AA studio which is why it's only fair to let them take their time developing this game. It is genuinely sad to see GTower and TU's communities clash with developers and between themselves and I really wish for Tower to be a success at least big enough to stay alive as a game for years to come.
As someone who has played the hell out of both the original GMTower (you can even see me waving in the screenshot at 3:18) and Tower Unite (according to steam I have just under 2k hours) I feel like I have a pretty good perspective of things from both sides of the table and I'd just like to throw my two cents out there for anyone who would like to listen. Nearly 8 years ago, going directly from GMT to TU was rough, simply put I just wasn't on board. All the things you mention in your Tower Unite section, the movement, disconnected condos, TU just didn't have the same warm feeling as GMT. But, obviously, I stuck with it. Tower Unite has existed for nearly a decade and in that amount of time I've grown just as attached to TU as I did with GMT way back when. I've kept up with several people from the GMT days who still actively play TU and seeing both them and me in those old screenshots and clips is really heartwarming, so to say that there is a complete split between the GMT community and the TU community isn't entirely true. Yeah there’s some divide, but it isn't ALL us vs them. My biggest gripe with TU at the beginning was the lack of interconnectivity, two servers vs an entire video game and people are obviously going to be spread out more on the latter. Take condos for example, I 100% agreed with you originally. Being able to just stroll into someone's apartment was a lot of the charm and it was a hard sell seeing that gone in TU. BUT the difference is important, because TU's condo editor is far far more advanced than GMT's. Seriously go to the TU steam workshop page and search for top rated condos the stuff people make is mind blowing, like a fully functioning 3D all night recreation of the first FNAF game. Condos in TU are practically your own worlds with its own quasi coding language, being able to pull from any texture or model you want, and just have so much depth. The most fun I've had in TU have been just hanging out in people's condos, talking for hours and hours as they walk me through there personally crafted homes, which is something I never did in GMT. There wasn't a suite I can remember that was worth spending hours in exploring, they were far more temporary. Which again isn't a bad thing at all, but the merits of one system over the other is less conclusive for me. Seeing you play TU for the first time reminds me of the hurdles I had just about 8 years ago with the game, but I had 8 years to get over them, and slowly come to cherish them in that same feeling any comforting familiar game has. I can speak from experience, the game has soul, depth, and I've most certainly enjoyed my time with it. There are things you can do in TU that you just can't do in GMT, and vise versa, and more than anything else I don't want this to be comment to be condemnation of either of them or me just telling people off who disagree with me. But I can't help but feel like TU doesn't get a fair shake when compared to it's older brother and that's something that I wish wasn't the case. Going directly from GMT to TU is a shock, but I think those willing to stick with it can find a whole lot of fun to be had and I don't see the point in silently wishing for the failure of one or the other. I only really focused on one specific example here but both of these games have been a consistent part of my life for over a decade, which is not only wild just to think about but has gotten me reflecting on my time with the games with the recent increase in conversation surrounding the both of them. I want nothing more than to have these games breathing with life as they do mean a lot to me. I hope you've enjoyed this admittedly long winded anecdote, I'd have more to say but I think I've just about taken up all the space I can get just about now. In conclusion I think TU is pretty is fun, and a pretty damn good game in its own right.
I agree for the disconnected condos in TU . I remember one that was literally a Hentai city made walls by walls which needed a beefy spec just for your PC to not explode . Connected condos would have been straight up unplayable in TU .
It's really sad to see devs show such contempt for their audience. It's one thing to move on, it's another to actively fight the people who literally made you successful because they want to play your work.
It's not like the people who set up those fan made GMT servers would touch tower unite anyways, so it's not even stealing the audience away from the new game, they're just stomping on people cause they can.
You know man, folks won't let go. I don't blame them for getting tired of having their code and work stolen while being made out to be some bad guy. Gmod tower was a fine proof of concept, it sucks folks need to harass the devs because they can't let go. The idea that they owe anything to folks is kind of disgusting, they put in the work, moved on and tried to do better. The entitlement is disgusting.
lets be real. Tower Unite would be way more successful if they didn't take down fan servers. Community Goodwill is hard to earn, easy to lose. If they kept gmod tower up and running in a supported state, I think it'd frankly increase the traffic to tower unite from genuinely enthusiastic players who would wanna pay them back for their effort. Now that audience will forever be vehemently against them.
I love the fact that tower unite both acknowledges your legacy donor status and lets you change the style of the hud to old school GMod Tower, while I miss the original, specially UCH, Tower Unite keeps getting better with every update.
@@bobhonkhonk9843 they literally released an update like a week ago, there's always a bunch of full servers, what kind of crackpipe are you using that you consider that as no one?
@@TheMrCtoer 1551 players as an all time peak. 264 playing an hour ago. It’s dead. It was dead on arrival. It failed to get a playerbase on release and their desperate attempts to divert the constantly shrinking GMT playerbase to their cash grab aren’t helping.
How's the community? I was playing Gmod during Tower's time, but I never played online so I missed out. Tower legit sounds like a lot of fun and I want to experience it.
I've been an avid fan of GMod for ages at this point, but I think I was just too late to play on the Tower. I think I would've loved it, it honestly makes me kinda sad that I'll never have the chance to play it.
Same thing here, used to watch a youtuber play it and I instantly fell in love, sure the original is gone now and tower unite is kinda weird. But the fan-projects although some get DMCA'd 1 or 2 don't fall into that trap. I've played one not long ago, and it's fun.
I'm glad theres a video discussing this. I felt like it was so unfair that the devs pretty much threw Gmod to the side and washed their hands of it for Tower Unite. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed what I played of Tower Unite, but it just feels like a buggy copy of Gmod Tower. It doesn't help that there's not many people who play Tower Unite, the most I'll get in servers are like 30 to 40 people and they're typically just talking in the plaza, no one likes to play the games anymore I guess? idk.. I wish they devs didn't treat the fans of the original thing that brought them here so poorly, both can co-exist.
ive been playing tower unite for years its still kinda the same feeling, i have a condo full of old gmod tower pictures. we still have a community albeit smaller but love it so much. so much of tower unite wouldnt have been possible through gmod
Ive noticed that in recent times we see revivals of a ton of stuff from the 2000s and 10s Be it fandoms or game modes or mods But the fact that 2016 was the last year for Gmod tower shows that it really was the peak of many things and the last hurrah for many groups and fandoms. Glad to see though that source games are still alive and well and will probably still have a place in internet culture for many generations
well actually theyve always been around and your just seeing the start of the cultural popularity of it be it club penguin roblox gmod tower habbo people have been reverse engineering since the beginning of time
In my humble opinion, I find it childish that a company that made a game mode for garry's mod that violated copyright laws basically all the time, is now hiding behind that same system actively stopping people from enjoying their old content. I think if you don't actively plan to support a old piece of software, it should become public domain. If people would rather play a outdated, buggy version of your game, maybe you should look at your game and find out why.
Gmod Tower was so much fun. I was there right when it released and due to a crazy glitch was, at least to my knowledge, one of the only folk who had 2 tv's in their suites - way before additional ones could be bought. So I was hiding up there in the closet and was deciding/playing videos for the main screen downstairs by using my second TV up there. Cool thing! I wonder if my bugged profile stille xists so I can make a screenshot of it.
Technically, there's a legal loophole around this...Just rename a lot of the old gmod tower code that was leaked and adjust to call it Garry's Grotto to avoid any dmca and legal shenanigans
Ah, so basically Pixeltail owns the code, but changing some things up in the code can make it transformative enough for it to be considered fair use? Forgot can fair use apply to things aside from movies/videos/music.
@@Dr.Oofers Potentially? Depending on the codes license it might be fair game. Though, that's just me pooling my time from ss13 and how most of their code is open source. Quick edit did a quick google and found this "In the US, the legal doctrine of Fair Use does not apply to embedding excerpts of copyrighted works into source code. How such doctrine is applied by the laws of your jurisdiction may vary."
@@darthvader8744 Well if you start talking shit about that government they might start to care. The modern dvach sphere only exists since the russian government allows it to.
7:15 nah f that. They be acting like Nintendo even though they made most of their money off shit not even theirs. I would approve of any harassment of Pixeltail. You can’t be a small indie team when people want legacy content and you essentially tell them “stop or we’ll sue you”
i 100% agree, tho i've never played gm tower i really wanted to for a long time but as you know it's closed, i hope i can find the server reupload seen in this video.
I think that the best course for people who want to bring Tower back would be to make a clean room open source reimplementation of the original, that way they can't DMCA you for using their code. Also, call it OpenTower, then they can't DMCA you for the name.
That could work out. Still, I hope that both communities, that is people who play GMT rehosts and those who play Tower stop hating each other so much as well as hating on developers. There were issues, Tower still has flaws and many issues to this day, but it's really heartwarming to see them still working tirelessly to deliver new content when they can.
Never actually played GMod Tower, only really watched the Yogscast play it one time. Although I have been playing Tower Unite for a couple of years now, very great time with friends.
The GMT Reunion server was originally going to only be up for a month or so, but it appears they have kept it up since then, but the main problem with it is its being run on really bad hardware, so the servers are quite laggy even if you're the only player on. (Atleast when I last tried it, it may be different now since you didn't mention it) I've personally also had the problem where I wasn't allowed to transfer my GMT stuff (money, items, etc) from my old steam account to my new steam account so I could get that stuff in Tower Unite Basically the Official GMT server was a massive disappointment, the most concurrent players i've seen was 8, and it always felt like they only put the server up because people kept asking for it back aswell as all the rehosts so they could dmca and go "just play on the official server"
7:05 okay but the point is that the old version was **better.** Users don't care how much work you put into the newer version. They care about what they get out of it, be it nostalgia or just a better experience. Creating a relaunch of gmod tower and putting ads all over it ruins that. PixelTail has a lot to learn from what they did better in GMT and worse in TU.
@@drakenforge4276 I think everyone hates supporting pixeltale, Regardless. Tower unite is shit, The all-time peak for players is less than 1,5k concurrent
I was a very active member of gmod tower circa 2013-2016. I spoke to MacDGuy and his wife along with prominent members of the community regularly. I don't regret backing Tower Unite, but the vibes will never ever match GMT. That said, I have 2 big opinions: 1. Tower Unite and GMT can absolutely co-exist, and I think it's not cool how GMT rehosts were treated after Tower Unite became the priority. Pixeltail has the legal right to do as they please, but they need to accept that some people just perfer GMT over Tower Unite. I understand thier strong feelings as creatives and as a business, but they gotta just let it be. 2. In a way, Gmod Tower had to die. I perfer GMT over Tower Unite (even though I find Tower Unite just as fun in some respects), but if the devs just didnt want to develop GMT anymore, you can't be mad at them. I support the dev's decision to move on if GMT wasn't enjoyable to them. We can't force them to like working in the old Source Code Anyway I have positive memories for both games, and would like for both Tower Unite and and Fan Rehosts to Flourish.
I never played GMTower wghen it was a thing, but the Tower Unite today filled the same hole in my heart that the closure of a well unknown game that Sony made, PlayStation Home great video on a game i hold near and dear to me :)
Fellow PS Home refugee here! Tower Unite gives me those Home vibes for sure! There are a couple of Home revival projects that are getting updates in recent months too, like Destination Home, so that's also something to look out for.
I played a lot of GMod Tower as a kid and I still play Tower Unite pretty frequently to this day, and while it certainly has different vibes it's still great fun and has a lot of stuff the original lacked.
As an old GMTower head I will say a few things because I also do really enjoy Tower Unite. You're right it is a beast of it's own and more catered to playing it with a friend group than random players who will become your friends over time, but also I feel like that's the reality of things nowadays. Also the player counts can hit high numbers post updates and especially on weekends. I spent admittedly too much time on GMTower and I think Tower Unite scratches a different new itch that I was still lacking from no game like Tower. MacDGuy is a genuinely nice person and I have gotten the chance to just randomly meet him in TU plazas, he and other devs would just pop in time to time to play, and hell Caboose even jumps in sometimes nowadays. Which I feel like is something that you don't really see devs do all that often with their own games, even in the indie scene. He is also a CEO of a company and is usually incredibly busy as a result, sadly. Their dev team is 7 people big, it's less than the estimated "11-50" shown haha, they also have a public Trello where you can see them actively develop and work on things. Also the gamemode thing is not common, I have 400 hours god knows how many are spent in condos watching shit on the media player with friends and how much is spent in the casino but a great deal was spent playing the mingames, and it's just a weird networking issue when joining via the plaza, it's better to just use the gameworlds option anyway, easier to find games that way or even start your own! I also feel like, and I am not saying this as a fact, but knowing how Mac was treated by the GMT and FacePunch community, ESPECIALLY on the FP Forums, might sorta have a bitter resentment towards it and the idea of reviving this gamemode that he spent years working on and creating which got him a metric ton of backlash anytime there was an update that broke something or just GMT wasn't going how the community wanted. As much as there are fond memories there was also, in old internet fashion, a lot of just being a dick to people who really didn't deserve it. I am glad to see a video on this topic that doesn't turn around and just immediately dislike TU for "killing GMT" whether it's your speed or not is your decision and shit. I just remember liking TU and people just being vitriolic online about it. Hopefully someday we can see an open and supported GMT revival so I can drag a couple of my non-GMod friends on to force them to play and be like "this is how I wasted a weekend as a kid" I've already done it to them with Elevator: Source, Survival and DarkRP. As thanks for listening to me rambling like crazy about this junk lmao. I was gonna leave a dumb joke about old FP JailBreak servers but I feel like "Just don't join the lego maps" wouldn't make sense to alot of people who were even around at the time.
Gmod tower is a representation of what Gmod once was: a game. The servers that currently represent gmod are gross and predatory, and only serve to damage the game's reputation and community every passing year. Very little of the game's current player base know the game was like back then, having a giant multitude of game modes to choose from. What makes role play servers so alluring is beyond me, consdiering how mind numbingly boring they are.
hey, just so yall know a new gmod tower server came up a few months back and its getting active updates. right now the player count is low, but its steadily growing, and the actual devs hop on a lot to answer questions and socialize with the community a lot... or fuck with you by telling you where the wondering merchant is than instantly tping him somewhere else lol. its a real fun time and right now you can actually get a suite since its not constantly crowded like it used to be. and ima just come out and say it, but if pixeltail doesnt want people rehosting their game, then they need a proper replacement. tower unite is a game you go to play with the friends you already have, gmod tower is something you play to meet new people. they do not serve the same purpose, and the Gmod tower server they host is poorly maintained and half the time you cant even get in cuz they just dont have the right map in the content pack. they could get a huge PR win and possibly even more players by just endorsing the people who loved their game so much rather than shooting it down. most people who play these servers also arent "potential customers", THEY ARE CUSTOMERS. ive yet to meet a single person on a rehost that didnt already own tower unite and was just disappointed. its not like people are playing this because they want to play free tower unite. most are playing cuz they already paid for tower unite and just want to play the game they thought they paid for.
Source Karts reminded me of that mod team that was trying to make "Mario Kart Source" for a long time. I only played Chimera Hunt before it was in GMT so I kind of forgot it got merged into that.
I very distinctly remember playing Gmod tower during the Boston bombing attacks. I was 12 it was April 2013. I remember I was playing that super monkey ball rip off mini-game, I was pretending to be British in the chat because I was 12 and weird. Then my dad busted into the room and told me about the bombs. I lived in Massachusetts at the time, and we were only about an hour away from Boston. Funny thing is that day. We were actually supposed to go to the Boston Museum of science, but for unrelated reasons, we weren’t able to go. My Uncle who was planning to go with us, wanted to stop by and watch the marathon. if we did go, crazy to think that i probably would’ve lost my uncle.
I think for everyone in the voice chat of that current lobby I was the first person to tell them about the attack. I immediately stopped, pretending to be British as soon as it happened.
Wow, I'm glad everything turned out okay. Events like that are so surreal to think about and it's always interesting how crystal clear that would-be uneventful day becomes in your memory.
The client is always right in matters of tastes, so if people want to play ancient old crap, then let them have it, they're enjoying themselves i see no problem
Gmod Tower is one of the reasons I actually still feel like I missed out on the larger GMod community almost entirely. I played the game like it was my job for years in middle school and beyond during its golden age, and yet I didn't even learn about GMod Tower until years later, with other amazing community works being the same. It just makes me sad that all these people made so many amazing memories that I just...barely missed out on.
Thanks for making this video! It's fun to relive these memories. I also used to host a popular server/gamemode, and I still get requests to start hosting again. Unfortunately, I had open-sourced the code a long time ago and the project is so old and poorly coded that it's not really as simple as just starting up a new server. I feel bad for letting down the community I had worked on when I originally shut down the server (after months of fighting off DDoS attacks).
I was there, I remember there would be special admin events such as musical chairs, which I actually have a recording of on my channel if anyone wants to see it. It was a very different time to be sure, alot of the worries you had IRL could dissipate playing Gmod Tower. Both Gmod Tower and Tower Unite are like VR Chat, but actually fun. Occasionally, I'll show up on the new Tower Unite, and I smile because in essence, it's still the same vibe even though the people have changed. Alot of people are pessimistic nowadays, and there are good reasons to be pessimistic, but Tower Unite isn't one of them, and I think it should be given the chance it deserves.
Honestly, I refuse to ever support people who corpo wash something that was once unbound and heartfelt. If they wanted more prople to get unite, they should have allowed player created content like Gmod or VRchat allow, and even better they could have built it in source or source 2 so it could have felt like an evolution of GMtower, as opposed to a different game wearing its skin. Edit: didn't know about the workshop update, its a bare minimum threshold I suppose.
Back in 2013, I was playing a bit of Gmod, didn't really understand why the game was so popular, as I loaded up a sandbox singleplayer game in order to check it out. I had a friend at school, who got me into TTT and DarkRP, and one day mentioned the Gmod tower. He retold stories about his condos and the random players that would enter them, which was enough to get me onto the server. I do miss the old Gmod tower and was looking forward to the Source Kart game mode, but I entirely understand why they decided to go into a standalone game. I spent quite some time hosting my own servers and making code for said servers, so I know how limited the Source engine can be. They hit a snag with the engine, and could no longer push it further. However, I do not like people trying to shutdown fan projects, especially since the majority of fan projects are trying to just have fun and not profit off the projects they make. Plus I doubt they could win a court case, as I'm pretty sure as soon as Nintendo sees their assets being claimed by another company, they would immediately go and sue that company. I like Tower Unite, but it doesn't have that Source engine appeal to it, which makes it feel like a different entity entirely.
Richter, you are without a doubt one of my favorite UA-cam channels that I will ever come across. Finding someone who shares this strange niche passion for Valve games, the source engine, and everything along those lines is amazing. Thank you for creating this content for us.
5:09 No, people simply aren't buying tower unite because it's boring and it's still missing loads of stuff that was in the original server. Beside, one thing is to have a server/gamemode on s&box or gmod, another thing is to make it's own game as is. Also it doesn't help that TU isn't really "stable" at all, and the lack of player only further increase their issue. It reminds me of an issue dying MMORPG face, Josh Strife Hayes talked about it in length, where people don't join an MMORPG because they think it's dying, and the game dies because people simply won't join in. tl;dr, Tower unite is boring, especially when compared to the original server. It feels like you're joining straight to a GMod's server without the freedom of choosing with gamemode to choose first.
im so quietly devastated to realize that gmod tower shut down around the time that i started playing gmod, if not genuinely really soon after i started, and i just never knew about it till now somehow?? it sounds like it was amazing. i feel like, as someone who never played this gamemode but gmod in general, that an appeal of something like this is an appeal of gmod in general, that its all these different games wrapped up in one. while a game like this can work on its own, at its core its still a hangout game, and those... tend to be less than ideal imo. its a reason why vrchat gets so boring if you cant find any of the non-hangout games, idk. at least this has minigames and and the extra stuff like the suites/condos, which is a really cool idea for this type of game. also gmod has so much odd charm to it that, at least from a glance, the remake didnt quite have. i do wish the devs well, but it is pretty crappy for them to not let people have both versions of the game, to go out of their way to copyright strike people just feels gross to me. i get where theyre coming from as someone who likes to create things myself, but im also just as much of someone who enjoys nostalgia like any other person, and also online history like games and game servers like that. it seems a shame for it to be shoved into a garbage can just because they want to move on. also it literally sounds sooo fun and i wish i could play it, and i dont have the money to buy video games very often to buy tower unite.
Richter never fails to unlock core memories from my childhood. I used to make gmod tower videos LONGGG ago and this video reminded me of those days lol. Good times
11:39 I relate to this a lot. Just seeing the genuine fun most people are having is incredibly euphoric. Almost reminiscent of you and a bunch of friends in primary school running down to the playground during a lunch break.
I like that you didn't outright tell people not to go find gmod tower reuploads but instead told them that if you're going to try to hunt it down, the least you could do is buy a copy of tower unite I think that's one of if not the best stances you could have on this
GMod Tower always looked so cool in the day. I always wanted to try it when I was younger but most of my prime GMod years happened when my dad had a pretty strict monthly data usage limit on his broadband, so I couldn't ever download all the stuff they had on there to actually try it myself outside of standalone Cinema, Elevator and a pressumably unlicensed standalone UCH server. Shame Pixeltail seem like cockends. Elevator and Cinema are iconic, they've made some incredible stuff, but while it's one thing to try and make some money from your success spiting on or even outright going to war with your long time fans to do it is just a plain shitty thing to do.
I'm sorry but no matter how much you want me to give tower unite slack for them taking down fan servers of a gamemode for a game they didn't own at all that used multiple copyrighted assets is just something I'm not going to do, this honestly makes me want to play tower unite less now... these fucks would have been nothing if gmod didn't exist lmao
Wow, this was a real trip down memory lane. Gmod Tower was actually my first online multiplayer experience (back in 2011), and man what an introduction that was haha. I remember playing on those servers like it was yesterday! I was bummed when I first heard that Gmod Tower was getting shut down and despised Tower Unite because of it. Finally, I bought my copy of Tower Unite around late 2019 and while it isn't the Gmod Tower we all grew up with, I was very surprised with how good it was. I personally consider it to be a worthy successor. With all the new updates they've made, I've had just as much fun with friends. 😄 Still with that being said, I'll forever remember the memories and good times I had in Gmod Tower. 🙏 RIP 2009-2016
Great recap! I only played on gmod tower servers every now and again just since they got laggy on my old pc, but I really enjoyed that sense of community and sleek designs. I played a ton of UCH even outside of gmod tower so it was cool to see that still working. The ability to just walk into a room with other players by exploring the same server, whether that be their suite, a cinema, a minigame or even just the hub was really special.
Can't forget about how an old friend of mine and I worked on a Monkey Ball remake and he banned me from his forums, ended up going into a now defunct project where we set out to make our own unique experience that's inspired by Garry's Mod Tower and any talk about it was strictly forbidden in their Discord and on their forums despite not using any code or models from their experience. Mac's own hubris will be his downfall, nothing like paying your devs garbage while you and your wife buy a new house, go on vacations and spend thousands of dollars on dolls and other expensive things!
how is it “ethically right” for me to buy a 20 dollar game before i play a game where they stole thousands of assets for? gmod tower would be ripped apart the second nintendo or any big name heard of it’s existence, so i don’t think we owe them a cent personally. especially with all of the unjustified dmca happening, which if it were in court would not hold up ( it wont be )
Man, 27:51 was rough. GMod tower wasn't something I played, but I can relate. The expectation that you can return to something you once enjoyed so much and met so many people in. And then the reality that it's gone forever.
I really like Tower Unite and I'm one of the few Tower Unite players that started off with GMod Tower. I backed the game on Kickstarter back when the big day came. I bought a $200 backer reward where they'd make a cosmetic or decorative item of the backer's request. My item was the mannequin bust wearing a tiger pelt jacket and the tiger tail cosmetic item. They split it into two items because of the switch from customizable playermodels to letting players use workshop playermodels. I remember the first days of Tower Unite with its alpha rendition of Ball Race. It was a really rough launch and I applaud the Devs for sticking it out to this day. But, yeah, the switch from Gmod Tower to Tower Unite was palpable. Just the way you walked around in the world felt different from the original game, and during the launch the only customization options were the default playermodels with some clothing. Workshop playermodels wouldn't come for a long, long time. And that was one of the things I loved about GMod Tower, it was a big crossover with dozens of beloved characters all in Source. You could be walking around in Fallout 3 Tesla Armor hanging out with Niko Bellic and Yoshi, and we had to wait a long time to get that back. I hope that fans of GMod Tower come around and at least give Tower Unite a fair try, It's a really good game that carries the original game's legacy forward. It's like GMod Tower 2, a sequel instead of a remake. I do agree wholeheartedly that the people behind it have a really shitty attitude about their old project and their old fans. They could easily just set up some proper support for GMod Tower or even collaborate with the fan projects to make them as good as the original. Or at least give those guys the OK and let them sort things out on their own. It would cost them, what? Nothing? Do they honestly think that someone regularly playing GMod Tower is a lost sale for Tower Unite? If anything, people playing the old Source engine version of their game would increase their sales from the publicity. And the people who played GMod Tower and want to play it again would be more than happy to pay the server upkeep costs if that's what it takes.
6:16 So you give a half minute of incredibly good reasons why they're in the wrong, and then say "on the other hand" There is no other hand, they're being unreasonable. Plenty of people are playing Tower Unite, and the kinds of people who only want to play the original will obviously never play Tower Unite. They don't own Gmod, and they're no longer supporting what they did create, only resurrecting it for corporate-style advertising. 8:37 What the hell are you on? I'm not supporting blatant copyright abuse, no matter how indie the dev team is. Screw that.
It strikes me as extremely hypocritical how Pixeltail is taking down third party servers using their now defunct copyrighted IP. Claiming that it steals sales away from them. When GMod tower and it's early charm relied on the usage of copyrighted IP to draw audiences early on.
As someone who didn't grow up with a PC or having any ability to actually play stuff like GMod Tower, the early days of Team Fortress 2, or even the REALLY early days of the original Destiny, I get sad because I never got to have the amazing experiences that so many other people had and I'll never be able to have those feelings even if nowadays I do have TF2 and the original Destiny, it's not a time machine. I don't just get to have those experiences, because they're gone now. But as someone looking in, I feel for people who want them back, even if I never had those experiences myself. It's crazy how you can miss something you never had the opportunity to be able to miss it.
Original destiny? Yoh mean destiny 1, or destiny 1’s launch? I can’t remember much, but I know Destiny 1 wasn’t exactly well at launch, and it took until the Taken King for it to improve. It’s been awhile so I can’t remember everything.
Personally I have fond memories of logging into gmod tower and having fun with friends but I feel like Tower Unite has the exact same purpose mainly socialise and just be there to have fun especially with them trying to implement newer features like emulators and VR support (which still is really buggy tbf) but I feel like it still has the gmod tower soul behind it
that "b argument" makes no sense Imagine if ID software did the same to people who try to play classic doom and do things with it, because "posting it may take people who would otherwise play doom eternal". and some other stuff. The copyrights are about the original creator getting the credit, and being able to monetise on their product. It's not about them being happy with what others do with it. If they don't intend on getting money from the original mod, they should stop policing people for using it, it's not like they're using money or they have any decisions over it. For some reason we consider this normal behaviour, but if it were physical projects then everyone would understand it's insane. Imagine you assemble your own little lamp by some free scheme from the internet, and then gave it away for free to other people, only to get sued by a company that doing that is infringing on their copyrights, and make people take your product instead of their version of the same lamp. Yeah, sounds like bs
Joining an empty gmod tower server feels like liminals spaces Its like you walking on the empty school corridor,like,you always see someone in the middle of the corridor,but now,there is no one
If I remember correctly the issue with tower unite was it launched with 3 gamemodes and limited customization, it just in total felt like a shell when it came out. It was more “polished” and beautiful graphically but it seriously felt like there was nothing to do and nobody was talking on the voice chat. Genuinely it could have been great if there was more to do and now there is after plenty of updates. but I feel like they lost their chance to sell the gmod community.
Metaconstruct is another but more niche community hub. Their server is based around a sandbox map that is full of secrets and shenanigans with a lot of customization and detail like what gmod tower had.
I remember finding metaconstruct because back in the day it was basically the only dedicated server that allowed both original and pirated copies of the game to play, i was poor so i was playing on a pirated copy
I was looking for a comment like this to see if this server was still up and running, shame it's not anymore. Was Pixeltail involved or did they shut it down for other reasons?
it is nuts to me that one of the most iconic game modes in gmod is based on the mother series, which is like my favorite thing of all time. like thats so cool wtf
The funniest thing is, I believe after GMOD Tower shut down, someone remade it on roblox, and it was huge for a bit but now it died (game is called The Plaza) I bet most people will remember the game, but its insane how much they copied off of Tower Unite/ Gmod Tower.
My favorite part of Gmod tower was waiting for 10+ minutes for all the addons to download just for almost none of the assets to actually load in
Lmao
probably because they needed CS:S or some other game to load
@@AmyCherryLMAOnah the gmod in-game downloader has never wor9ked
me when i download 3 gbs worth of addons to forget css
Now you have to wait up to an hour to join most servers.
the argument he made about "imagine someone stealing most of a book you worked on and republishing it" seems like a false equivalency. it's more like imagine i wrote a book that everyone loved and i gave it away for free, and then i took everyone's copy away and burned them and burn any new copies because i wanted to write a new book and charge for it.
one of the best comments i’ve read in a long time😢
still not really a fair comparison.. authors don’t have to constantly pay for employees, pay to upkeep servers, hell, LEARN to upkeep servers, all FOR FREE. i get the feeling a lot of gmtower players are just entitled
@@oak7741 they're only doing this because tower unite is a failed product. I dont see the DayZ devs taking down Arma 2 dayz because nobody plays arma 2 dayz (as far as im aware) because Standalone is a better product. Tower unite was bugging boring and took years to catch up to the gmod version. The devs are just salty
@@Chungus36000 tower unite has stayed updated for years and has a consistent player base what failed product are you speaking of lmao, gmod is just as dead
gmod tower was the metaverse facebook will never achieve
my favorite part about tower unite has to be the fact that you can just walk up to one of those "coming soon" signs and check their trello board and see exactly what is actively being developed.
Yeah, I really love that. I can see Tower (hopefully) slowly growing bigger and bigger, heck, bigger maybe than Gmod Tower itself even. It will eventually offer VR support, things that were simply not in GMT, such as Horror Hill mode in years to come and a whole lot more. I really wish for Tower's success but I am kind of worried about it's future. I really do not want it to drop dead like GMT eventually did, even if GMT's death wasn't a slow, natural one.
Still waiting on the stuff in arcade to be finished
I remember PixelTail promising they'd release the source code for GMod Tower, but only after Tower Unity comes out of Early Access. That was four years ago.
The leaked code was probably the reason for that
So never? Games like that will always stay on "early access" or early beta for their entire lifecycle to milk money/avoid full release.
I've read this somewhere on the internet once: "People don't want a re-imagining of things, they want to re-visit what they had back in all those years", which is the part PixelTail isn't getting to and why their new thing isn't as popular as GMod Tower
That makes sense it was also popular because it was FREE if you had Gary's Mod the new version just can't compete with something like VR which is free and let's you import your own custom player models
The other issue is it was community made, they just used the same maps everyone else did. Now they are forced to create their own due to there stance on stealing content.
The maps are omega small and just aren't as good if you can even grab a lobby of uch it just isn't the same and the fact only 8 players can play it's strange that the people who made it just can't understand it wasn't about the community only
Except Tower Unite is more popular than GMod Tower, whether or not you like it doesn't change that fact.
@@doublah1865 both are dead
@@Abakato it really isn't, it lacks the creative and remakes of the steam workshop remove it from unite and you'll have no skins or condo items, the maps are terrible some arcade lack good physics, no ine actually plays even uf they do tbey arent playing any mini games, imagune paying 20$ for shit you can't play solo
Its so sad seeing so many old gmod servers and maps once cherished by many fade away and disappear.
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Replaced by Star Wars RP severed charging $$ to play as Darth Vader
@@raaaaaaaaaam496 just 45.999 to be anakin
Divinity RP server anyone?
I was huge into Gmod when I was a kid but I didn't have a PC powerful enough to handle Gmod Tower. I was so excited when I got my first desktop PC, and then I found out that Tower had shut down a few days before.
Damn sorry bro
@@GarfieldAtLasganaParty It's alright! I got to enjoy a little bit of Tower Unite with friends who bought it for me. (:
I played for a couple of weeks
Shit stuck with me more then the hundreds of hours spent on Twoscore servers playing TTT or deathrun (think half my friends-list is still just old users and admins)
I could spend most of the day just playing UCH, the Mother 3 atmosphere sold that gamemode, talking to people and just having fun
@@commisaryarreck3974 damn, i missed out alot on gmod servers. I got 2,500 hours. But I was mainly modding the source engine and animating. Porting ragdolls and stuff, I personally was never really interested in the mp 🥲
SAME
The reason GMod Tower worked so well was because of all the flaws you could make out in it.
Source was by no means something that could uphold it, but that gave the work all the more charm and amazement. You could see the seams breaking in the code and it was a love to behold how well they were stitched up.
A lot of the content you also saw used in the Tower was content from other Source games. You had that nostalgic feeling seeing CSS Office walls in the lobby, TF2 maps in Chimera, or feeling like every weapon in Virus was just taken as a reskin from GameBanana.
GMod Tower had a "Community" feeling where as Tower Unite has a "Product" Feeling.
GMod was broken, and nostalgic. Each bit of the gamemode had to be written by exploiting every drop of the engine, and pouring love into every asset that would cost even one more entity in the BSP limits.
That feeling is ultimately lost in Tower Unite because it is too clean, too perfect, sterile, flawless. It lost the charm of a community sweat-and-tears project and instead it just got "produced".
I wouldn't say the port has lost any soul, but I'd say it lost a charm only the outdated 2012 Source engine could provide...
I think this is pretty well said. It doesn't feel the same, far from it and it definitely has just it's own feel. But I disagree that a sense of community has had been lost. I can easily recall some more or less vague, but still memories of people coming in to my condos and rating them in Tower Unite and such and there's still many people creating content from scratch for Tower Unite such as unique player models as commissions.
It's funny you say this because Tower Unite easily has 10x as much love and work put into it. They don't have to simply "make do" with source assets anymore they can actually create the game they wanted to make in the first place.
.. Okay, you know what. Now that I think about it, I retract part of my previous statement from 2 months back. At first, I forgot what you meant but going back to old maps and stuff from Gmod Tower that some people still have and replaying those old maps and all that in regular Gmod sandbox mode, I can get what you feel now. To be completely honest, I have no idea why I lost the sense of that in the first place. I certainly, very much do miss Gmod Tower being broken af and limited with Source. Yes, Tower Unite is the peak dream of Pixeltail team developers, but at the same time, there's no denying that Gmod Tower had and still has that something that Tower Unite misses. I think back then, in that original comment of yours, you pointed it out very well. Even playing those days and having had played all the time even before for all those years, Tower Unite that is, it just feels.. Bad. It feels kind of empty, as much as I enjoy it and it's community. It's not even the lack of Source atmosphere, though that's ABSOLUTELY a huge part of it as well, it's primarily that, exactly as you have stated, that game, Tower Unite like.. I don't really understand WHY they can't or don't want to make it just a bit more silly. Less empty, give it more emotion. THAT'S the thing that drove me back to Gmod Tower all those years back. I so, so wish they would bring this back. I rarely play Tower Unite anymore because of the atmosphere but also the general repetitiveness of all the content, but yeah, the atmosphere is solidly missing, clean and just.. Wrong. I certainly wish Tower Unite continued success and I will keep playing it for long years to come for as long as it's alive with developers and community, but at the same time, I can not wait for the day when Gmod Tower is released into public after Tower Unite's final release. The moment people start hosting OFFICIAL and LEGAL rehosts with content now officially approved to be reused by developers, that's the day I'm so going back to the old days, even if only for a short while. While there is currently Gmod Tower Reunion, it's just not the same, the Lobby 1/original Lobby holds no nostalgic value for me nor do I share any memories with it, it's just also genuinely quite bad AND there is Tower Unite's absolutely abusively aggressive ads everywhere - It's not like they don't have the right to promote their game, they absolutely do but they definitely went too far on that one. Gmod Tower Reunion, simply doesn't feel like Gmod Tower to me - At all. Having said all that, there's also the issue of being unable to just have fun in Tower Unite's lobbies with stuff like fireworks which would have had been amazing - It was a thing you could do at one point but ultimately removed as not worth the time or something like that as far as I recall. Regardless, I just want them to give Tower Unite at least a bit more feeling and life - That's all I really wish for for this game and that alone will help bring me back into it at least a little bit more.
@@thatparkerkid368Well good for them, I suppose, but a lot of people don’t seem to really be that deeply in love with what the creators want and eventually no amount of love and care you put into something ain’t going to matter if people just aren’t that interested in it.
@@thatparkerkid368 i think the saying "you may be the sweetest peach in the tree but some people just don't like peaches" applies here. You can have an incredible product filled with love and care, doesn't mean people have to or do like it.
12:41 i completely forgot about that game
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Haven't seen the video yet but GMod Tower was such an experience back in the day. The fact people are still using aspects of it like Pointshop still today is super cool aswell.
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I'm sad I didn't get to experience GMod Tower; I was a lot younger when it came out. If it manages to get a reboot, whether that be from the community or the same developers, I would totally want to give it a try. The closest I've ever gotten to an experience to this was GMod Bowling, which has unfortunately also grown inactive.
@@poweringcorrelation6881 Yeah it's never getting any kind of reboot.
Uhh the reboot exists already, it's called Tower Unite and it's actually a pretty awesome game.
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Such simpler times.
The team behind the HL2 co-op mod Obsidian Conflict were quite close with Mac for some time during GMT's golden era and we were allowed to have our own custom player models! It truly brings back fond memories.
You just unlocked a core memory. I used to play the hell out of Obsidian Conflict.
@@TobeasJ Same. One of the most fun I had in 2010
6:34 Sounds to me like their new product simply doesn't deliver for the original fan base. Doesn't matter how much work was put into the project. There's a reason Halo MCC has more players than Infinite. There's no way I would fork over money for a mediocre spiritual successor before I replay the original, no matter how it's available. They should not have tried to cut off access to the original if it was clearly still that popular. I'd call that hubris.
Agreed.
Tower Unite couldn't deliver because it was way too ambitious. Sure it has most of the gmod tower minigames, but all of them are buggy and half baked. They should have narrowed the scope from the start.
Which doesn't change the fact that I wish best for Tower. I hope Tower Unite gets ironed out and lives on for longer than GMT, even if it will be less popular. They may have had controversies and all sort of crap but they still love their project and when you are inside of Discord or forums community, you can see developers working with community to fix bugs and discuss ideas.
@@deadturret4049 The games parts is sad indeed. I truly hope it changes and the game doesn't die out. It's not like GMT but it still has a place in my heart and I love it for what it is.
Gmod Tower was a fantastic gamemode, and was the main reason I got Gmod in the first place. I remember logging in and just being amazed by all the minor things, like the over 100 people in the same map, the decorative and cozy suites, and being able to play UA-cam videos on the screen. Lobby 1 was one of my favorites, it perfectly encompassed the feeling of Half Life 2/Gmod, which was a bit droll and dreary, but despite that, it felt like it had life with how sunny it felt at the same time. I spent most of the time playing Ball race and source karts. Lobby 2 had it's own charm to it, but it wasn't nearly as good or had as much personality as lobby 1, mostly due to how it felt like "everything was in one place, and not neatly sectioned off." I made some great friends on the server, and would play it nearly every day whenever I could.
When Tower Unite came out, I remember immediately buying it as soon as it came out, to some optimism and disappointment. A lot of the gamemodes that were in Gmod Tower were missing (the only available gamemodes were Virus, Ball race, Minigolf, and a new "Planet Panic", which has been completely unlisted). There was a pretty weak variety of items in comparison, the only major upgrade to the decoration was Canvases, allowing you to put whatever picture on the internet into the game, which was fun. While I had high hopes for the future, the beginning was bland. the Casino wasn't even there from the beginning. They have a Trello that promised things that were in Gmod Tower, like maps, gamemodes, and arcades, but had a lot of really big promises, like fishing, cooking, and even island exploration, but even today in 2024, a lot of their promised additions are in the backlog, or were released to not much hype.
Tower Unite today is still very much a fun game, with a bunch of workshop additions to recreate the infinite possibility, maps that very much encourages people to build literally whatever they want, and a dedicated fanbase that's still keeping the game fairly active even after almost a decade since it's release, but it simply can't hit it's old audience or any proper audience for that matter. The only time it really jumps up is when a new major update is added, creating a new gamemode or feature to the game, but it's around 80-100 people in the game as a whole most of the time. I really wish that one day it'd jump up the popularity it had when it first released, where plaza maps would be almost full constantly and you'd meet new faces almost every time, but you'll come across a couple familiar faces almost everytime you get to the most populated lobby.
Thanks for bringing back the memory that was Gmod Tower, it was a game I loved when I was 10 or so, and now that I'm 22, I still would love for a comeback to either Gmod Tower in an actual form, or Tower Unite to be much more active.
personally i love both versions, i miss the old source spaghetti but i don't blame them too much for wanting to move on, just wish they were a bit less crass about it
Great video! Easily one of your best on the channel! 30 minutes never went by so fast.
Also very happy to have helped you, it was a complete pleasure and I'm willing to help you with anything else you need. Keep up the good work Richter! And eternal love for GMod Tower
thank you so much scienti! and thank you so much for your help with the video too, couldn't have done it without you legit
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bro donated arse
What is ARS
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I hope one day Pixeltail and fan-run revival projects are able to strike some sort of deal to have GMod Tower truly brought back to its fullest.
I do play Tower Unite myself from time to time and it is pretty solid and it's only seeming to get better as time goes on, so I do recommend picking it up for what it is, but I think I'd genuinely cry out of pure nostalgia if I went back to the first tower lobby to see it bustling with life and activity.
What deal?
Just tell pixeltail to fuck off
Yes buy copy get to play, like they could just find a way to sell accounts of gtower. Your code changes everyday so if you don't pay you lose assce, I bet no one would care if it was a subscription game
Pixeltail has said that they're making GMod Tower open source once Tower Unite 1.0 is out.
@@SmoothTeeVee in like 20 years lol
@@miickydeath12 It's certainly better than never and I highly doubt it will take them this long. I suspect Tower Unite's content might be finished in 7 years or a bit less since they are slowly getting main things done and next is VR support to get attention of more people and have the community be more open and inclusive. On that hand though, please do not hate on PixelTail. They are not even an AA studio which is why it's only fair to let them take their time developing this game. It is genuinely sad to see GTower and TU's communities clash with developers and between themselves and I really wish for Tower to be a success at least big enough to stay alive as a game for years to come.
As someone who has played the hell out of both the original GMTower (you can even see me waving in the screenshot at 3:18) and Tower Unite (according to steam I have just under 2k hours) I feel like I have a pretty good perspective of things from both sides of the table and I'd just like to throw my two cents out there for anyone who would like to listen.
Nearly 8 years ago, going directly from GMT to TU was rough, simply put I just wasn't on board. All the things you mention in your Tower Unite section, the movement, disconnected condos, TU just didn't have the same warm feeling as GMT. But, obviously, I stuck with it. Tower Unite has existed for nearly a decade and in that amount of time I've grown just as attached to TU as I did with GMT way back when. I've kept up with several people from the GMT days who still actively play TU and seeing both them and me in those old screenshots and clips is really heartwarming, so to say that there is a complete split between the GMT community and the TU community isn't entirely true. Yeah there’s some divide, but it isn't ALL us vs them.
My biggest gripe with TU at the beginning was the lack of interconnectivity, two servers vs an entire video game and people are obviously going to be spread out more on the latter. Take condos for example, I 100% agreed with you originally. Being able to just stroll into someone's apartment was a lot of the charm and it was a hard sell seeing that gone in TU.
BUT the difference is important, because TU's condo editor is far far more advanced than GMT's. Seriously go to the TU steam workshop page and search for top rated condos the stuff people make is mind blowing, like a fully functioning 3D all night recreation of the first FNAF game. Condos in TU are practically your own worlds with its own quasi coding language, being able to pull from any texture or model you want, and just have so much depth. The most fun I've had in TU have been just hanging out in people's condos, talking for hours and hours as they walk me through there personally crafted homes, which is something I never did in GMT. There wasn't a suite I can remember that was worth spending hours in exploring, they were far more temporary. Which again isn't a bad thing at all, but the merits of one system over the other is less conclusive for me.
Seeing you play TU for the first time reminds me of the hurdles I had just about 8 years ago with the game, but I had 8 years to get over them, and slowly come to cherish them in that same feeling any comforting familiar game has. I can speak from experience, the game has soul, depth, and I've most certainly enjoyed my time with it.
There are things you can do in TU that you just can't do in GMT, and vise versa, and more than anything else I don't want this to be comment to be condemnation of either of them or me just telling people off who disagree with me. But I can't help but feel like TU doesn't get a fair shake when compared to it's older brother and that's something that I wish wasn't the case. Going directly from GMT to TU is a shock, but I think those willing to stick with it can find a whole lot of fun to be had and I don't see the point in silently wishing for the failure of one or the other. I only really focused on one specific example here but both of these games have been a consistent part of my life for over a decade, which is not only wild just to think about but has gotten me reflecting on my time with the games with the recent increase in conversation surrounding the both of them. I want nothing more than to have these games breathing with life as they do mean a lot to me.
I hope you've enjoyed this admittedly long winded anecdote, I'd have more to say but I think I've just about taken up all the space I can get just about now. In conclusion I think TU is pretty is fun, and a pretty damn good game in its own right.
I agree for the disconnected condos in TU . I remember one that was literally a Hentai city made walls by walls which needed a beefy spec just for your PC to not explode . Connected condos would have been straight up unplayable in TU .
It's really sad to see devs show such contempt for their audience.
It's one thing to move on, it's another to actively fight the people who literally made you successful because they want to play your work.
Is a fight that is even more stupid, when their creation was made with a buntch of stuff they didn't even own lmao.
It's not like the people who set up those fan made GMT servers would touch tower unite anyways, so it's not even stealing the audience away from the new game, they're just stomping on people cause they can.
They could've run both at the same time, as it shows the most of the original GMod players didn't go to the new game, the two became separate things.
You know man, folks won't let go. I don't blame them for getting tired of having their code and work stolen while being made out to be some bad guy.
Gmod tower was a fine proof of concept, it sucks folks need to harass the devs because they can't let go.
The idea that they owe anything to folks is kind of disgusting, they put in the work, moved on and tried to do better. The entitlement is disgusting.
lets be real. Tower Unite would be way more successful if they didn't take down fan servers. Community Goodwill is hard to earn, easy to lose. If they kept gmod tower up and running in a supported state, I think it'd frankly increase the traffic to tower unite from genuinely enthusiastic players who would wanna pay them back for their effort. Now that audience will forever be vehemently against them.
I love the fact that tower unite both acknowledges your legacy donor status and lets you change the style of the hud to old school GMod Tower, while I miss the original, specially UCH, Tower Unite keeps getting better with every update.
no one plays it anymore
@@bobhonkhonk9843 they literally released an update like a week ago, there's always a bunch of full servers, what kind of crackpipe are you using that you consider that as no one?
Least obvious shill
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1551 players as an all time peak.
264 playing an hour ago.
It’s dead. It was dead on arrival.
It failed to get a playerbase on release and their desperate attempts to divert the constantly shrinking GMT playerbase to their cash grab aren’t helping.
How's the community? I was playing Gmod during Tower's time, but I never played online so I missed out. Tower legit sounds like a lot of fun and I want to experience it.
I've been an avid fan of GMod for ages at this point, but I think I was just too late to play on the Tower. I think I would've loved it, it honestly makes me kinda sad that I'll never have the chance to play it.
Well you can always just get Tower Unite... it's basically the same but with more stuff now
Just go and play it, acting sad about a gamemode in Gmod that is still running.
Same thing here, used to watch a youtuber play it and I instantly fell in love, sure the original is gone now and tower unite is kinda weird. But the fan-projects although some get DMCA'd 1 or 2 don't fall into that trap. I've played one not long ago, and it's fun.
I'm actually pretty sure he played on it in this video.
Why are youtube comments always full of overdramatic self pity?
I recommended this like a month ago! I’m happy you’re finally covering this! This game means so much to me and I really enjoy their new game as well!
I'm glad theres a video discussing this.
I felt like it was so unfair that the devs pretty much threw Gmod to the side and washed their hands of it for Tower Unite. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed what I played of Tower Unite, but it just feels like a buggy copy of Gmod Tower.
It doesn't help that there's not many people who play Tower Unite, the most I'll get in servers are like 30 to 40 people and they're typically just talking in the plaza, no one likes to play the games anymore I guess?
idk.. I wish they devs didn't treat the fans of the original thing that brought them here so poorly, both can co-exist.
GMod Tower was what VRChat is today. That's how I've viewed it thus far.
@@MrGermandeutsch except people with furry skins get offended if you phase through their avatar saying they can actually feel you touching them
god i love these well made gmod vids 🥰
ur a legend bro
@@RichterOvertimewhat is the song at 17:34 I'm laughing my ass off
I was just watching your videos in a little CS nostalgia trip, hope you're doing well!❤
I found it xD - Ratlobber & Richter Overtime - Dog Walked In
Duuuuude I love your vids!!!!!
nobody else i know says "good evening" the way richter says "g'd eveneng" and it makes me unreasonably happy every time
i hear "grieve ning" now
ive been playing tower unite for years its still kinda the same feeling, i have a condo full of old gmod tower pictures. we still have a community albeit smaller but love it so much. so much of tower unite wouldnt have been possible through gmod
I dug deep and found the server, logged in last night and it's truly amazing. I even recognized all of the players that were seen in this video
They tried to take this from you, never forget.
Where is it?
How can i play it?
12:46 Oh my god. If I'm right, that PATAPON arcade machine there might be like a HUGE piece of lost media for the series
Unfortunately, despite having thousands of hours in gmod I never really played Gmod Tower, but I still am very interested in all things Gmod!
Ive noticed that in recent times we see revivals of a ton of stuff from the 2000s and 10s
Be it fandoms or game modes or mods
But the fact that 2016 was the last year for Gmod tower shows that it really was the peak of many things and the last hurrah for many groups and fandoms. Glad to see though that source games are still alive and well and will probably still have a place in internet culture for many generations
I miss 2014 more.
well actually theyve always been around and your just seeing the start of the cultural popularity of it
be it club penguin roblox gmod tower habbo
people have been reverse engineering since the beginning of time
Just one minute after uploading there's already about 70 people watching , truly remarkable . Thank you for making great videos ❤
In my humble opinion, I find it childish that a company that made a game mode for garry's mod that violated copyright laws basically all the time, is now hiding behind that same system actively stopping people from enjoying their old content.
I think if you don't actively plan to support a old piece of software, it should become public domain. If people would rather play a outdated, buggy version of your game, maybe you should look at your game and find out why.
Gmod Tower was so much fun. I was there right when it released and due to a crazy glitch was, at least to my knowledge, one of the only folk who had 2 tv's in their suites - way before additional ones could be bought. So I was hiding up there in the closet and was deciding/playing videos for the main screen downstairs by using my second TV up there. Cool thing!
I wonder if my bugged profile stille xists so I can make a screenshot of it.
As someone who wasn’t into Gmod growing up, I adore learning about the history of this game and it’s many, many odd moments
Technically, there's a legal loophole around this...Just rename a lot of the old gmod tower code that was leaked and adjust to call it Garry's Grotto to avoid any dmca and legal shenanigans
Ah, so basically Pixeltail owns the code, but changing some things up in the code can make it transformative enough for it to be considered fair use? Forgot can fair use apply to things aside from movies/videos/music.
@@Dr.Oofers Potentially? Depending on the codes license it might be fair game. Though, that's just me pooling my time from ss13 and how most of their code is open source. Quick edit did a quick google and found this "In the US, the legal doctrine of Fair Use does not apply to embedding excerpts of copyrighted works into source code. How such doctrine is applied by the laws of your jurisdiction may vary."
@@plaguewalker2248Why are you overcomplicating this? We just need a Russian host because their government doesn't care
@@darthvader8744 Well if you start talking shit about that government they might start to care. The modern dvach sphere only exists since the russian government allows it to.
@@plaguewalker2248 ahelp clown grief me pls b an he
i miss the times of the internet when there were more things centered around socializing rather than unlocking crates to get a cool red gun skin
7:15 nah f that. They be acting like Nintendo even though they made most of their money off shit not even theirs. I would approve of any harassment of Pixeltail. You can’t be a small indie team when people want legacy content and you essentially tell them “stop or we’ll sue you”
i 100% agree, tho i've never played gm tower i really wanted to for a long time but as you know it's closed, i hope i can find the server reupload seen in this video.
it's insane discovering tower unite started out as a gmod server
love tower unite in 2024, have had for a little over a month and have 260 hours in it
I think that the best course for people who want to bring Tower back would be to make a clean room open source reimplementation of the original, that way they can't DMCA you for using their code. Also, call it OpenTower, then they can't DMCA you for the name.
We will make our own Gmod Tower, with blackjack and hookers
That could work out. Still, I hope that both communities, that is people who play GMT rehosts and those who play Tower stop hating each other so much as well as hating on developers. There were issues, Tower still has flaws and many issues to this day, but it's really heartwarming to see them still working tirelessly to deliver new content when they can.
had a chance to play with you on gmod tower, had a damn good time as always ric
Never actually played GMod Tower, only really watched the Yogscast play it one time. Although I have been playing Tower Unite for a couple of years now, very great time with friends.
The GMT Reunion server was originally going to only be up for a month or so, but it appears they have kept it up since then, but the main problem with it is its being run on really bad hardware, so the servers are quite laggy even if you're the only player on. (Atleast when I last tried it, it may be different now since you didn't mention it)
I've personally also had the problem where I wasn't allowed to transfer my GMT stuff (money, items, etc) from my old steam account to my new steam account so I could get that stuff in Tower Unite
Basically the Official GMT server was a massive disappointment, the most concurrent players i've seen was 8, and it always felt like they only put the server up because people kept asking for it back aswell as all the rehosts so they could dmca and go "just play on the official server"
7:05 okay but the point is that the old version was **better.** Users don't care how much work you put into the newer version. They care about what they get out of it, be it nostalgia or just a better experience. Creating a relaunch of gmod tower and putting ads all over it ruins that. PixelTail has a lot to learn from what they did better in GMT and worse in TU.
15:02 I can only imagine the amount of people who challenged kids to duel to death and caused them to rage
praise the omnipresent youtube commentor
This guy is everywhere he is the ultimate God of a reddit mod , he comments on shorts and regular videos
I mean, I miss Gmod Tower so much that the same team will make Tower Unite as a spiritual successor. Glad this brings back memories.
They have already made tower unite and it's shit.
what?
What are you even trying to say?
@@prawngravy18bro wtf would you say that? Is it just because it require you to buy if? Do you hate supporting pixeltale?
@@drakenforge4276 I think everyone hates supporting pixeltale, Regardless. Tower unite is shit, The all-time peak for players is less than 1,5k concurrent
Being a fan of gmod is like being a fan of gmod
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Timestamp
0:00 intro
2:00 long conflict and small controversy
8:45 Entering The GMOD TOWER
10:00 Cinema/Theater
11:00 Entertainment Plaza
15:40 Teleporters
- Suites
- Gamemodes
-Virus 18:25
-PvP Battle 19:15
-Source Karts 20:25
-Minigolf 21:15
-Zombie Massacre 21:50
-Ball race 22:45
-Ultimate Chimera Hunt 23:35
I was a very active member of gmod tower circa 2013-2016. I spoke to MacDGuy and his wife along with prominent members of the community regularly. I don't regret backing Tower Unite, but the vibes will never ever match GMT.
That said, I have 2 big opinions:
1. Tower Unite and GMT can absolutely co-exist, and I think it's not cool how GMT rehosts were treated after Tower Unite became the priority. Pixeltail has the legal right to do as they please, but they need to accept that some people just perfer GMT over Tower Unite. I understand thier strong feelings as creatives and as a business, but they gotta just let it be.
2. In a way, Gmod Tower had to die. I perfer GMT over Tower Unite (even though I find Tower Unite just as fun in some respects), but if the devs just didnt want to develop GMT anymore, you can't be mad at them. I support the dev's decision to move on if GMT wasn't enjoyable to them. We can't force them to like working in the old Source Code
Anyway I have positive memories for both games, and would like for both Tower Unite and and Fan Rehosts to Flourish.
I never played GMTower wghen it was a thing, but the Tower Unite today filled the same hole in my heart that the closure of a well unknown game that Sony made, PlayStation Home
great video on a game i hold near and dear to me :)
Fellow PS Home refugee here! Tower Unite gives me those Home vibes for sure! There are a couple of Home revival projects that are getting updates in recent months too, like Destination Home, so that's also something to look out for.
I played a lot of GMod Tower as a kid and I still play Tower Unite pretty frequently to this day, and while it certainly has different vibes it's still great fun and has a lot of stuff the original lacked.
As an old GMTower head I will say a few things because I also do really enjoy Tower Unite. You're right it is a beast of it's own and more catered to playing it with a friend group than random players who will become your friends over time, but also I feel like that's the reality of things nowadays. Also the player counts can hit high numbers post updates and especially on weekends. I spent admittedly too much time on GMTower and I think Tower Unite scratches a different new itch that I was still lacking from no game like Tower. MacDGuy is a genuinely nice person and I have gotten the chance to just randomly meet him in TU plazas, he and other devs would just pop in time to time to play, and hell Caboose even jumps in sometimes nowadays. Which I feel like is something that you don't really see devs do all that often with their own games, even in the indie scene. He is also a CEO of a company and is usually incredibly busy as a result, sadly. Their dev team is 7 people big, it's less than the estimated "11-50" shown haha, they also have a public Trello where you can see them actively develop and work on things. Also the gamemode thing is not common, I have 400 hours god knows how many are spent in condos watching shit on the media player with friends and how much is spent in the casino but a great deal was spent playing the mingames, and it's just a weird networking issue when joining via the plaza, it's better to just use the gameworlds option anyway, easier to find games that way or even start your own!
I also feel like, and I am not saying this as a fact, but knowing how Mac was treated by the GMT and FacePunch community, ESPECIALLY on the FP Forums, might sorta have a bitter resentment towards it and the idea of reviving this gamemode that he spent years working on and creating which got him a metric ton of backlash anytime there was an update that broke something or just GMT wasn't going how the community wanted. As much as there are fond memories there was also, in old internet fashion, a lot of just being a dick to people who really didn't deserve it. I am glad to see a video on this topic that doesn't turn around and just immediately dislike TU for "killing GMT" whether it's your speed or not is your decision and shit. I just remember liking TU and people just being vitriolic online about it. Hopefully someday we can see an open and supported GMT revival so I can drag a couple of my non-GMod friends on to force them to play and be like "this is how I wasted a weekend as a kid" I've already done it to them with Elevator: Source, Survival and DarkRP. As thanks for listening to me rambling like crazy about this junk lmao. I was gonna leave a dumb joke about old FP JailBreak servers but I feel like "Just don't join the lego maps" wouldn't make sense to alot of people who were even around at the time.
Gmod tower is a representation of what Gmod once was: a game.
The servers that currently represent gmod are gross and predatory, and only serve to damage the game's reputation and community every passing year. Very little of the game's current player base know the game was like back then, having a giant multitude of game modes to choose from. What makes role play servers so alluring is beyond me, consdiering how mind numbingly boring they are.
so true my friend
hey, just so yall know a new gmod tower server came up a few months back and its getting active updates. right now the player count is low, but its steadily growing, and the actual devs hop on a lot to answer questions and socialize with the community a lot... or fuck with you by telling you where the wondering merchant is than instantly tping him somewhere else lol. its a real fun time and right now you can actually get a suite since its not constantly crowded like it used to be.
and ima just come out and say it, but if pixeltail doesnt want people rehosting their game, then they need a proper replacement. tower unite is a game you go to play with the friends you already have, gmod tower is something you play to meet new people. they do not serve the same purpose, and the Gmod tower server they host is poorly maintained and half the time you cant even get in cuz they just dont have the right map in the content pack. they could get a huge PR win and possibly even more players by just endorsing the people who loved their game so much rather than shooting it down.
most people who play these servers also arent "potential customers", THEY ARE CUSTOMERS. ive yet to meet a single person on a rehost that didnt already own tower unite and was just disappointed. its not like people are playing this because they want to play free tower unite. most are playing cuz they already paid for tower unite and just want to play the game they thought they paid for.
I’d buy tower unite if I had 30 dollars just to give it a try, but you are fully right
edit: I bought it and it's underwhelming
Source Karts reminded me of that mod team that was trying to make "Mario Kart Source" for a long time.
I only played Chimera Hunt before it was in GMT so I kind of forgot it got merged into that.
I very distinctly remember playing Gmod tower during the Boston bombing attacks. I was 12 it was April 2013. I remember I was playing that super monkey ball rip off mini-game, I was pretending to be British in the chat because I was 12 and weird. Then my dad busted into the room and told me about the bombs. I lived in Massachusetts at the time, and we were only about an hour away from Boston. Funny thing is that day. We were actually supposed to go to the Boston Museum of science, but for unrelated reasons, we weren’t able to go. My Uncle who was planning to go with us, wanted to stop by and watch the marathon. if we did go, crazy to think that i probably would’ve lost my uncle.
I think for everyone in the voice chat of that current lobby I was the first person to tell them about the attack. I immediately stopped, pretending to be British as soon as it happened.
Wow, I'm glad everything turned out okay. Events like that are so surreal to think about and it's always interesting how crystal clear that would-be uneventful day becomes in your memory.
@@Sseraphim Yeah, ten years later and i'm not sure I would remember that specific day at all if that event had not occurred
The client is always right in matters of tastes, so if people want to play ancient old crap, then let them have it, they're enjoying themselves i see no problem
Gmod Tower is one of the reasons I actually still feel like I missed out on the larger GMod community almost entirely. I played the game like it was my job for years in middle school and beyond during its golden age, and yet I didn't even learn about GMod Tower until years later, with other amazing community works being the same. It just makes me sad that all these people made so many amazing memories that I just...barely missed out on.
Thanks for making this video! It's fun to relive these memories. I also used to host a popular server/gamemode, and I still get requests to start hosting again. Unfortunately, I had open-sourced the code a long time ago and the project is so old and poorly coded that it's not really as simple as just starting up a new server. I feel bad for letting down the community I had worked on when I originally shut down the server (after months of fighting off DDoS attacks).
Hey Jo! :D
I have very fond memories of your server and still think about it occasionally, thank you for those good times :)
I was there, I remember there would be special admin events such as musical chairs, which I actually have a recording of on my channel if anyone wants to see it. It was a very different time to be sure, alot of the worries you had IRL could dissipate playing Gmod Tower. Both Gmod Tower and Tower Unite are like VR Chat, but actually fun. Occasionally, I'll show up on the new Tower Unite, and I smile because in essence, it's still the same vibe even though the people have changed. Alot of people are pessimistic nowadays, and there are good reasons to be pessimistic, but Tower Unite isn't one of them, and I think it should be given the chance it deserves.
"I sold my skin since it wasn't working anyway"
I don't like the way my skin feels on my body...
Honestly, I refuse to ever support people who corpo wash something that was once unbound and heartfelt.
If they wanted more prople to get unite, they should have allowed player created content like Gmod or VRchat allow, and even better they could have built it in source or source 2 so it could have felt like an evolution of GMtower, as opposed to a different game wearing its skin.
Edit: didn't know about the workshop update, its a bare minimum threshold I suppose.
1:24 you just convinced me to buy Gmod, Richter: I want you to know this :)
the legal issues is just Club Penguin's legal issues, where they don't give a damn about the game but will still sue you if you rerelease it
Back in 2013, I was playing a bit of Gmod, didn't really understand why the game was so popular, as I loaded up a sandbox singleplayer game in order to check it out. I had a friend at school, who got me into TTT and DarkRP, and one day mentioned the Gmod tower. He retold stories about his condos and the random players that would enter them, which was enough to get me onto the server. I do miss the old Gmod tower and was looking forward to the Source Kart game mode, but I entirely understand why they decided to go into a standalone game. I spent quite some time hosting my own servers and making code for said servers, so I know how limited the Source engine can be. They hit a snag with the engine, and could no longer push it further.
However, I do not like people trying to shutdown fan projects, especially since the majority of fan projects are trying to just have fun and not profit off the projects they make. Plus I doubt they could win a court case, as I'm pretty sure as soon as Nintendo sees their assets being claimed by another company, they would immediately go and sue that company.
I like Tower Unite, but it doesn't have that Source engine appeal to it, which makes it feel like a different entity entirely.
You and ratlobber are the only gmod youtubers i watch and i watch evryone as they come out lol
Richter, you are without a doubt one of my favorite UA-cam channels that I will ever come across. Finding someone who shares this strange niche passion for Valve games, the source engine, and everything along those lines is amazing. Thank you for creating this content for us.
5:09 No, people simply aren't buying tower unite because it's boring and it's still missing loads of stuff that was in the original server. Beside, one thing is to have a server/gamemode on s&box or gmod, another thing is to make it's own game as is.
Also it doesn't help that TU isn't really "stable" at all, and the lack of player only further increase their issue. It reminds me of an issue dying MMORPG face, Josh Strife Hayes talked about it in length, where people don't join an MMORPG because they think it's dying, and the game dies because people simply won't join in.
tl;dr, Tower unite is boring, especially when compared to the original server. It feels like you're joining straight to a GMod's server without the freedom of choosing with gamemode to choose first.
That and the whole problem with supporting a company that safe guard their old creations (with content they don't own or have created).
im so quietly devastated to realize that gmod tower shut down around the time that i started playing gmod, if not genuinely really soon after i started, and i just never knew about it till now somehow?? it sounds like it was amazing.
i feel like, as someone who never played this gamemode but gmod in general, that an appeal of something like this is an appeal of gmod in general, that its all these different games wrapped up in one. while a game like this can work on its own, at its core its still a hangout game, and those... tend to be less than ideal imo. its a reason why vrchat gets so boring if you cant find any of the non-hangout games, idk. at least this has minigames and and the extra stuff like the suites/condos, which is a really cool idea for this type of game.
also gmod has so much odd charm to it that, at least from a glance, the remake didnt quite have.
i do wish the devs well, but it is pretty crappy for them to not let people have both versions of the game, to go out of their way to copyright strike people just feels gross to me. i get where theyre coming from as someone who likes to create things myself, but im also just as much of someone who enjoys nostalgia like any other person, and also online history like games and game servers like that. it seems a shame for it to be shoved into a garbage can just because they want to move on. also it literally sounds sooo fun and i wish i could play it, and i dont have the money to buy video games very often to buy tower unite.
Richter never fails to unlock core memories from my childhood. I used to make gmod tower videos LONGGG ago and this video reminded me of those days lol. Good times
Gmod multiplayer will never be the same, the players is what made gmod, gmod.
To be fair it might be a little odd to be asked for an interview and see the person say "pwetty please"
11:39 I relate to this a lot. Just seeing the genuine fun most people are having is incredibly euphoric. Almost reminiscent of you and a bunch of friends in primary school running down to the playground during a lunch break.
I like that you didn't outright tell people not to go find gmod tower reuploads
but instead told them that if you're going to try to hunt it down, the least you could do is buy a copy of tower unite
I think that's one of if not the best stances you could have on this
GMod Tower always looked so cool in the day. I always wanted to try it when I was younger but most of my prime GMod years happened when my dad had a pretty strict monthly data usage limit on his broadband, so I couldn't ever download all the stuff they had on there to actually try it myself outside of standalone Cinema, Elevator and a pressumably unlicensed standalone UCH server.
Shame Pixeltail seem like cockends. Elevator and Cinema are iconic, they've made some incredible stuff, but while it's one thing to try and make some money from your success spiting on or even outright going to war with your long time fans to do it is just a plain shitty thing to do.
I'm sorry but no matter how much you want me to give tower unite slack for them taking down fan servers of a gamemode for a game they didn't own at all that used multiple copyrighted assets is just something I'm not going to do, this honestly makes me want to play tower unite less now... these fucks would have been nothing if gmod didn't exist lmao
Wow, this was a real trip down memory lane.
Gmod Tower was actually my first online multiplayer experience (back in 2011), and man what an introduction that was haha. I remember playing on those servers like it was yesterday! I was bummed when I first heard that Gmod Tower was getting shut down and despised Tower Unite because of it. Finally, I bought my copy of Tower Unite around late 2019 and while it isn't the Gmod Tower we all grew up with, I was very surprised with how good it was. I personally consider it to be a worthy successor. With all the new updates they've made, I've had just as much fun with friends. 😄
Still with that being said, I'll forever remember the memories and good times I had in Gmod Tower. 🙏
RIP 2009-2016
Great recap! I only played on gmod tower servers every now and again just since they got laggy on my old pc, but I really enjoyed that sense of community and sleek designs. I played a ton of UCH even outside of gmod tower so it was cool to see that still working. The ability to just walk into a room with other players by exploring the same server, whether that be their suite, a cinema, a minigame or even just the hub was really special.
Can't forget about how an old friend of mine and I worked on a Monkey Ball remake and he banned me from his forums, ended up going into a now defunct project where we set out to make our own unique experience that's inspired by Garry's Mod Tower and any talk about it was strictly forbidden in their Discord and on their forums despite not using any code or models from their experience.
Mac's own hubris will be his downfall, nothing like paying your devs garbage while you and your wife buy a new house, go on vacations and spend thousands of dollars on dolls and other expensive things!
reject ue4, return to gmod
At least they didn’t make it in Unity
@@MrSkerpentine Yeah, in Unity you'd have to say goodbye to Workshop support.
how is it “ethically right” for me to buy a 20 dollar game before i play a game where they stole thousands of assets for? gmod tower would be ripped apart the second nintendo or any big name heard of it’s existence, so i don’t think we owe them a cent personally. especially with all of the unjustified dmca happening, which if it were in court would not hold up ( it wont be )
Man, 27:51 was rough.
GMod tower wasn't something I played, but I can relate.
The expectation that you can return to something you once enjoyed so much and met so many people in.
And then the reality that it's gone forever.
Woah postal dude in the source engine? What a cool idea i hope someone made a high quality and beloved game with that concept
I really like Tower Unite and I'm one of the few Tower Unite players that started off with GMod Tower. I backed the game on Kickstarter back when the big day came. I bought a $200 backer reward where they'd make a cosmetic or decorative item of the backer's request. My item was the mannequin bust wearing a tiger pelt jacket and the tiger tail cosmetic item. They split it into two items because of the switch from customizable playermodels to letting players use workshop playermodels.
I remember the first days of Tower Unite with its alpha rendition of Ball Race. It was a really rough launch and I applaud the Devs for sticking it out to this day. But, yeah, the switch from Gmod Tower to Tower Unite was palpable. Just the way you walked around in the world felt different from the original game, and during the launch the only customization options were the default playermodels with some clothing. Workshop playermodels wouldn't come for a long, long time. And that was one of the things I loved about GMod Tower, it was a big crossover with dozens of beloved characters all in Source. You could be walking around in Fallout 3 Tesla Armor hanging out with Niko Bellic and Yoshi, and we had to wait a long time to get that back.
I hope that fans of GMod Tower come around and at least give Tower Unite a fair try, It's a really good game that carries the original game's legacy forward. It's like GMod Tower 2, a sequel instead of a remake.
I do agree wholeheartedly that the people behind it have a really shitty attitude about their old project and their old fans. They could easily just set up some proper support for GMod Tower or even collaborate with the fan projects to make them as good as the original. Or at least give those guys the OK and let them sort things out on their own. It would cost them, what? Nothing? Do they honestly think that someone regularly playing GMod Tower is a lost sale for Tower Unite? If anything, people playing the old Source engine version of their game would increase their sales from the publicity. And the people who played GMod Tower and want to play it again would be more than happy to pay the server upkeep costs if that's what it takes.
6:16 So you give a half minute of incredibly good reasons why they're in the wrong, and then say "on the other hand"
There is no other hand, they're being unreasonable. Plenty of people are playing Tower Unite, and the kinds of people who only want to play the original will obviously never play Tower Unite.
They don't own Gmod, and they're no longer supporting what they did create, only resurrecting it for corporate-style advertising.
8:37 What the hell are you on? I'm not supporting blatant copyright abuse, no matter how indie the dev team is. Screw that.
It strikes me as extremely hypocritical how Pixeltail is taking down third party servers using their now defunct copyrighted IP. Claiming that it steals sales away from them. When GMod tower and it's early charm relied on the usage of copyrighted IP to draw audiences early on.
As someone who didn't grow up with a PC or having any ability to actually play stuff like GMod Tower, the early days of Team Fortress 2, or even the REALLY early days of the original Destiny, I get sad because I never got to have the amazing experiences that so many other people had and I'll never be able to have those feelings even if nowadays I do have TF2 and the original Destiny, it's not a time machine. I don't just get to have those experiences, because they're gone now. But as someone looking in, I feel for people who want them back, even if I never had those experiences myself. It's crazy how you can miss something you never had the opportunity to be able to miss it.
Original destiny? Yoh mean destiny 1, or destiny 1’s launch?
I can’t remember much, but I know Destiny 1 wasn’t exactly well at launch, and it took until the Taken King for it to improve. It’s been awhile so I can’t remember everything.
I play it now long after it's life cycle, and I can just see that there's a lot I've missed.@@Dr.Oofers
*bro. i regret missing such an LEGENDARY gmod server like this*
you made it into an oddheader vid man! specifically "Most Shocking Cut Content Found in Video Games" at 6:20
Honestly I miss the old suites from Gmod Tower. Having rooms right next to each other with doors that open
Personally I have fond memories of logging into gmod tower and having fun with friends but I feel like Tower Unite has the exact same purpose mainly socialise and just be there to have fun especially with them trying to implement newer features like emulators and VR support (which still is really buggy tbf) but I feel like it still has the gmod tower soul behind it
that "b argument" makes no sense
Imagine if ID software did the same to people who try to play classic doom and do things with it, because "posting it may take people who would otherwise play doom eternal". and some other stuff.
The copyrights are about the original creator getting the credit, and being able to monetise on their product. It's not about them being happy with what others do with it. If they don't intend on getting money from the original mod, they should stop policing people for using it, it's not like they're using money or they have any decisions over it.
For some reason we consider this normal behaviour, but if it were physical projects then everyone would understand it's insane. Imagine you assemble your own little lamp by some free scheme from the internet, and then gave it away for free to other people, only to get sued by a company that doing that is infringing on their copyrights, and make people take your product instead of their version of the same lamp. Yeah, sounds like bs
Joining an empty gmod tower server feels like liminals spaces
Its like you walking on the empty school corridor,like,you always see someone in the middle of the corridor,but now,there is no one
If I remember correctly the issue with tower unite was it launched with 3 gamemodes and limited customization, it just in total felt like a shell when it came out. It was more “polished” and beautiful graphically but it seriously felt like there was nothing to do and nobody was talking on the voice chat. Genuinely it could have been great if there was more to do and now there is after plenty of updates. but I feel like they lost their chance to sell the gmod community.
Metaconstruct is another but more niche community hub. Their server is based around a sandbox map that is full of secrets and shenanigans with a lot of customization and detail like what gmod tower had.
I remember finding metaconstruct because back in the day it was basically the only dedicated server that allowed both original and pirated copies of the game to play, i was poor so i was playing on a pirated copy
To anyone interested, the server featured in the second part of this video has shut down as of yesterday edit: i mean the fan one
I was looking for a comment like this to see if this server was still up and running, shame it's not anymore. Was Pixeltail involved or did they shut it down for other reasons?
@@kyuketsukirook luckily they shut down on their own terms, devs felt burnt out among other things
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@@Pe3RLYT no i mean the fanmade one
its back
It's kind of unnerving how you are handling Tower Unite like you have genuine fear of the devs coming after you.
i kinda do LOL
it is nuts to me that one of the most iconic game modes in gmod is based on the mother series, which is like my favorite thing of all time. like thats so cool wtf
The funniest thing is, I believe after GMOD Tower shut down, someone remade it on roblox, and it was huge for a bit but now it died (game is called The Plaza) I bet most people will remember the game, but its insane how much they copied off of Tower Unite/ Gmod Tower.