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The Arcade Sega Dreamcast - Revisiting the Sega Naomi Arcade Hardware | MVG
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
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The Sega Dreamcast just celebrated its 19th birthday and in this video we look at the similarities its architecture has with the Sega Naomi - dedicated Sega arcade hardware.
We take an in-depth look at the Naomi hardware, its arcade games and understand how just "arcade perfect" the Dreamcast ports of these popular games actually were.
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Dreamcast is still number one for me, it was so cool to have such graphic at home and play all that awasome games . Such arcade at home experience is unforgettable
Sorry for spamming but gotta love those silky smooth 60FPS Sega games too, Sega games of that era just always looked really crisp and smooth!
This is why I liked Gamecube as well, it had a lot of the Dreamcast games and they ran well.
One of a kind quality
Yep! pretty Fast and good looking.
Not gonna lie, I own a dreamcast, Naomi, and Naomi 2, and I just watch this video at least once a month because the music is just incredible, and I love MVG's content!
I loved that Dreamcast had VGA, mates were blown away with the crispness on my PC monitor.
RIP your mates
Also, some more fun facts about the NAOMI. Did you know the NAOMI also supports Dreamcast controllers, VMUs and Dreamcast games? The reason why the NAOMI games don't work on the Dreamcast is because they are encrypted. Hence why you need the security chip to make them work. The Dreamcast games however, are not and work fine in the GD ROM drive. While I can't verify whether or not the VMUs work the same with a Dreamcast game, I do know some arcade titles allowed you to plug your own VMU into the cabinet to either unlock extra content, or have exclusive content sent to your VMU for use back at home.
Also, I think you may have missed a few things about the NAOMI.
1. The player input for the JVS standard is done via the two USB ports on the back of the machine. Unless your cabinet is JVS, you'll need the i/o board shown in the video. Also note that while the ports look like USB, you cannot plug other peripherals into them as they won't work.
2. For the Naomi 1, you can actually use the power from the Capcom i/o board to power the Naomi instead of using a separate power supply. You could also make your own cable and use an ATX power supply, though I would only recommend doing so if you know the pinout of both standards completely.
Edit: 3. Just to note, for the Net DIMMs you need to have a Rev H BIOS on the Naomi and for the more 'questionable' route, you'll also need a Zero Key as while said game are decrypted, they still require some form of security chip to work.
Archina GM Great info!
I thought for the net dimm has to be higher the rev. G
That’s really interesting about being able to use Dreamcast controllers. Do they work with driving games like Crazy Taxi?
I can't say for sure as I'm unable to test it. Though I'd see no reason why it shouldn't work.
Point 2 is incorrect. It's the Naomi 1 that doesn't work without the external power to run GDROM games. Naomi 2 doesn't need an external PSU for a GDROM setup. Also, I never changed my BIOS revision on my Net DIMM and all games worked fine.
The Dreamcast was indeed officially discontinued by Sega by the end of 2001, however, it was supported until 2007, the last licensed game released was Karous, on the 8th of March, 2007.
I still vividly remember reading the official statement from Sega on their website and being so sad, I didn't even want to show my Dad because it meant we were going to have to buy a new console (ended up choosing Xbox) That does NOT seem like 17 years ago!
@@TRJ2241987 At least you made the right decision in getting an Xbox. Easily moddable now and I'm pretty sure some SEGA exclusives/sequels were ported to the Xbox!
PowerVR worked far better in multi GPU configurations than scanline renderers like AMD or Nvidia's GPUs do. This is because PowerVR breaks the scene up into 16x16 tiles that are rendered in internal on die memory which are collated into an external buffer for display. Because breaking the scene up like this is fundamental to how the PowerVR GPU works it's a relatively simple matter to send every other tile to alternate GPUs for rendering and then collate them into a shared display buffer. The speed increase from adding additional GPUs scales much better than with more traditional GPUs that render one scanline at a time. There is very little additional overhead from splitting the scene between multiple GPUs with PowerVR because it's not doing anything it doesn't already do anyway.
I love my weekly episode of MVG.
I've worked on Arcade Hardware on and off since I was 14 in 1989. I have many fond memories of Naomi Games.
Side note the Sega Chihiro (Xbox Based Arcade Hardware) and Triforce (Gamecube Based) both use the same GD Rom Drive as the Naomi.
Tien_Gouki so are the Dreamcast ports of the sega Naomi games arcade perfect since the SEGA Dreamcast is a literal home version of the sega Naomi
@@SuperKillerdreams Generally no - the main issue is that the Naomi has twice as much main and video RAM as the Dreamcast, as well as 4 times the sound RAM. This normally resulted in ports to the Dreamcast having simplified geometry, textures or both. The much smaller sound RAM also meant that the DC was restricted to using less sound samples than the Naomi - but this was partially offset by the ability of the DC to stream audio from the GD-ROM drive, which the Naomi couldn't.
TrimeshSZ So are the ports still arcade perfect on the Dreamcast?
@@SuperKillerdreams No. The gameplay is typically either the same or extremely close, but textures and animations are cut back to fit in the smaller video RAM.
TrimeshSZ ok cuz I saw a video the other day where a guy compared the sega Naomi vs the sega Dreamcast version of capcom VS snk the first one and from what I saw he even compared the frames of animation in both games and they clocked out at the same, and everything from backgrounds to sprites were 💯% identical, so that right there had me convinced
I remember these glorious times when games were 60 fps by default at design level.
This is awesome, I always knew of the NAOMI but really didn't know too much information about it aside from being used in arcades and utilizing GD-ROMs.
Hello Mario, thanks for helping me softmod my ps2!
I often find myself returning to these vids just for the soothing bangin synthy/amiga/80 tools... bring em' back MVG!!!
Melty Blood: Act Cadenza came out on Naomi. I remember seeing an actual MB:AC cabinet in Rochester NY when I visited there back in 2012... but it was out of commission with a bad power supply (the owner of Hammer Girl said it was a Japanese power supply using a step converter). I was so let down, it would have been the high light of my trip since I started the original Melty Blood fan translation projects into English, and absolutely felt responsible for that cabinet making it all the way to the US. lol
"I don't wanna die."
"My god."
Gripping stuff.
My. God.
Don’t come, don’t come
Great games though
The way he said it was so sarcastic LOL
The way he said it made it seem like he's disgusted in the other guy for not wanting to die
Sega should release a throwback console with all their arcade games preloaded.
And remakes. Golden axe five player complete with 16bit graphics
Well, they try. The problem is, emulating their systems like Saturn and Dreamcast, require specific hardware that can't be easily simulated.
@@falcon048 Then they should stop emulating, just use the real chips - can't be that hard.
@@TBasianeyes True, our modern-day tech should be able to down size the processing capacity of the Dreamcast into a portable sized board and we can house all the GD-ROM games in a massive SSD harddrive, or hell even burn them into a big ROM chip.
So then the question will likely be: "How much will that cost to manufacture versus how many people will buy it?"
IN the end, it is never about "yeah, we can do that because we're technologically advanced AF!" It's always about "So, how much money can we make here? What's in it for me and my shareholders?"
Human greed. It's why we can't have nice things.
Nabre Labre This could be done, small Android boxes running ARM chipsets can run Naomi games pretty well nowadays.
I always tell everyone that even though the Dreamcast didn't do too well as a home console, it lived on for several years up until 2009 putting up some great games in the Arcade. Word for word as you said; some folks didn't even know the existence of the Naomi or Naomi 2 (which is surprising).
The hardware itself was truly way ahead of its time.
I own an Amusement company, and I've spent multiple hours troubleshooting these systems. They are nice, but when they have issues it can be a nightmare diagnosing what's wrong. I love the network load idea, loading these from the delicate GDrom drives is a hope and a prayer. When you get the Naomi system working they are great.
absolutely. Netbooting is the best way in my experience. GD-ROMs are a pain. much of the time you may need to switch out the bios eeprom as many games are tied to certain versions of them.
Definitely agree, netbooting works great once you gather the parts and figure out the setup. Just don't touch anything once you have it working ;)
people usually use multi-region bios-es these days, where you can change system country using DIP switches
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are you going to revisit the naomi anytime soon again? there's been some progress in the homebrew community. we now have an sdk and doom !
These videos are crafted so well. I do love how relaxing this channel is as well.
Excellent. I was always interested in the Naomi hardware as a SEGA fan. Thanks for this insight!
You're killing it with your uploads. Another great and informative video, thank you!
This just made me want to get this setup and build myself a new cabinet. I love how much inspiration and information I always get from this channel
Nice vid, Jimako! Man, the 2012 setup vid you referenced, went back and watched it and your pana supergun vid as well, takes me back to the good ol' days of youtube, it was so much fun back then, good memories. Your channel has really taken off since back in the day, when we were all starting off. Congrats on all the success my friend!
The PS2 DOES also support VGA and there's even an official cable for it that came with the Linux kit. However, unless forcing that mode using GSM, games won't natively output through VGA.
I'd say it's not worth hunting down, since you can get 480p through RGsB from a regular SCART cable
Yeah, I know. Just said this for the sake of completeness.
may I ask, I have always wondered about component through scart, I have a late model CRT which only has Scart but the shell has cut outs for component hidden with sticker, im talking like a 2006 model CRT, has best picture quality I have ever seen in a CRT but useless for me as I can't use it for pc. I cannot get someone to build me a vga to RGB scart cable and the grand hand view I had years ago was useless.
gentarofourze - Can you do RGBS video? You might wanna look into one of those Extron RGB boxes, the models with the VGA port can convert it to RGBS over BNC.
To be honest all I really care about is getting component to work through scart that way I can HDfury into my tv and use it as a retro setup without using a PVM
Watches the Video, runs down in the Arcade room and start´s up the Crazy Taxi Arcade for some Naomi Action (Games loading via Rpi :-))) I just love the Naomi !!! Thanks for making this Video love it !!
I LOVE that I found this channel. Really well done videos about my niche interest. Thank you!
I never saw an Naomi before and it still gave me Nostalgia. Your Videos are Magic. Im Excited for more of your videos! Thumbs up for the
nice content and the awesome retro style background music
Hey man props. I can see you put a lot into your videos. It’s appreciated
I used to have a good number of Naomi set ups in my collection. Ikaruga, CvS2, MvC2 and Street Fighter Alpha 3 upper.
It's so much machinery compared to the CPS-2 or NeoGeo hardware. I honestly just ended up modding a dreamcast for hdmi and getting a GDEMU (boot games off SD card) and its infinitely easier. Plus, a big thing with the Naomi -> Dreamcast games is the home versions were usually better. More characters, stages, options, etc.
Love the trip down memory lane tho, great vid!
The guy who voiced that Naomi audio warning, sounds awfully Dutch.
Yes it's obvious....I wonder who it was.
And bored too.
I would say the same.
I was just about to say the same thing. Very very Dutch indeed. And he sounds like he's reading from a script.
i would say dutch or finland.
at the end he sound pretty finish. ( the irony of the last sentence) :-D
I was setting up Demul for Atomiswave and Naomi last week, good shit!
This is a great video! I acquired a NAOMI model 1 with BIOHAZARD Gun Survivor 2 CODE VERONICA, along with a controller board complete with a wired joystick to replace the mounted guns the cabinet used. Still got to try and work out a power box and other things to boot it myself and this is inspiring me to do so.
Really nice to see a NAOMI 2 in action, when I saw the colour of it in your thumbnail I gasped because they don't seem to be too common in the hands of collectors.
this guy just became my favorite retro gaming youtuber. thanks for this!!
That's pretty awesome. Never knew about this hardware and especially how to come across it for home purchase. So cool. Great stuff man.
The quality of your content is outstanding!. Thanks!
Super Cool. Great video, thanks for sharing your experience with this arcade gear. Dreamcast is still one of my favorite systems of all time.
Great video! You really explained everything clearly about the Naomi system!
Sega should make a Dreamcast mini. I know it would never happen but would be awesome.
What a great review and production. Thanks a lot.
I've never knew an arcade Sega Dreamcast existed. Very interesting topic. I'd love to check more of your content.
> Sega made the Naomi
> Sega owns Atlus
> There's an atlus character named Naomi
Hmmm
Love your videos mate, keep up with the good work.
what good memories !!! thanks man such a nice video keep on !!
This was an awesome video once again. I learned at lot and will be looking to buy one of these set ups soon. It will look awesome through VGA on my 2003 Samsung 63" professional plasma. It was $20,000 new and still looks amazing.
I picked up a used Dreamcast years after they were discontinued (I remember seeing one for the first time shortly after they'd been released and having my mind blown). I still love it, and it has some of my favorite games ever on it, so it gets hooked up fairly frequently.
I do enjoy nerding out on Monday after work and this video has hit the spot. I love a good MVG Monday.
Awesome vid man. I've gotta pick up a Naomi soon. I have a dreamcast in my Aerocity now.
Very cool and educational video as always mate! Keep up the good work!
Oh, MAN! I've been waiting for this . . .
Pretty cool, can't wait to see what you show us next week as well
*This channel deserves millions of subscribers.*
Great content absolutely love your channel!
great video, as every video. high quality. i love your videos :)
AMAZING CONTENT!!! Great job!! 9/9/99 was an amazing time!! Got the Dreamcast that day with soul caliber, house of the dead 2 , hydro thunder, blue stinger. First time in my life that arcade wasn't just home but actually better in regards to soul caliber. Great video!!
Thanks for the hardware tour and game footage!
man where did you come from ? you're such a great youtube surprise and expert, love you !
Awesome video, thanks for doing it! :)
Always i love your video, thanks for your great work
UA-cam is serving me the same videos of yours over and over again. I already saw them. REEEEEE!
As always...Great, informative content!!
You forgot Emergency Call Ambulance, that game was a piece of gold that I want to play in these days, but the cabinet in local arcade on my location was removed :(. Great video, thanks for keep this generation alive.
That was on the Sega Model 3 hardware, not the Naomi.
OMG, YES! I love your arcade stuff!
I love seeing esoteric hardware. Very cool, great video.
I have a naomi 1 and a ringwide. it's good to see these types of videos. With more info, more people will get into arcade equipment.
Great video. I distinctly remember playing a NASCAR game, with the full yellow racing cage, that ran on Hikaru actually, but I still think about that game from time to time.
Woah that Sega Naomi set up is sweet. Would love to see a future video where it's put into a really cool custom cabinet
Amazing video, very informative. Thank you.
Great video, wasn't aware of this missing link.
Super cool, I was actually telling someone yesterday how virtua tennis 2 is one of my most wanted cabs. Good timing
Had never heard of the NAOMI, very Nice video!
Great and informative as usuall.
Very cool, was only talking about this yesterday while playing some dreamcast.
This is a awesome channel glad i subbed
9:31 Bro I thought I got rickrolled so hard...
Loved the video ! Thank you.
We made many of the same conclusions. Nice video!
Amazing I love your arcade videos!
It would be cool to maybe repurpose an old arcade cabinet, to swap in your many arcade boards. Would be great for a limited space game room in the home.
Your video quality is dope my man.
These videos always make my mondays better
I swooned at that raspberry pi + naomi setup.
Technology is wonderful.
Thx for this episode!!
Amazing video! Thanks.
Great insight on a much overlooked set up 👍
Wow, Why I love your channel, always learning new stuff. Never knew the 360 was vga compatible? I use a vga to HDMI adapter on my monitor but I have an old 360 which I've had modded so dang I'm gonna check if there's a vga input on it. Might be a better or more appropriate option given my monitors outputs. Hell yeh! I just got a USB full of every shmup from a friend to use on it too..might try hooking it up now. Great vid m8!!!!!
I have hdmi for my old 360, forget vga
I almost missed my son's birth watching this in the hospital cafeteria😆... now am finishing it up with my son in my arms ...
YUNVMY COOLNAME Cool!Congrats!
Lmao congrats
Congratulations!
Now I am curious what else do you have :D Excellent episode, I could watch some more gameplay of the games though... ;)
Damn, very informative. Thanks!
Would love to see all these exclusives on a modern disc someday, especially Planet Harriers. Great video!
Awesome video. Just subscribed to your channel.
Playing on VGA with the Xbox 360 was AWESOME. I never went back once I got my first VGA cable.
Now we have hdmi, Boss gaming quality
That's amazing! Never knew it existed. I still have a working SEGA Dreamcast.
As this is more or less a Dreamcast, could you use one of those modern Dreamcast VGA to HDMI adaptors instead?
seems possible
I honestly think it would work provided it connects to dsub and not the Dreamcast AV Port.
Hello Mr Bundy
You have to make sure to set the Naomi hardware to the proper VGA khz setting output. Most arcade hardware outputs VGA at 15khz. Most consumer grade VGA sends out a 31khz signal. If I recall there are pin settings on the Naomi board to do that. After that you would have a better chance at HDMI output, but only with a standard VGA to HDMI adapter. The Naomi does not use the standard proprietary dreamcast AV port so the consumer VGA box wouldn't even work with the Naomi.
Larry I see more comments than videos from you now 😑
Sega was always kings of Arcade games 4 ever and mate you always make great videos
Nice video!!
Excellent supergun choice!!! ;-)
Great videos!!!
Ha, just because something's fairly old doesn't mean it's gone, LOL!
My parents are almost 80 and they're still here (for the moment)!
That The House of The Dead voicing at the start always cracks me up
Very nice vid!
I’m so subscribed to this channel. So much knowledge and key facts to learn about those machines that seemed like magic in our younger years. Is there anything special regarding the GPU and rendering engine on these machines? 10M+ polygons is a lot, especially in 2000s. Now, is it polygons or vertices? Nowadays I only worry about total vertex and pixel operations and VERY VERY rarely about rasterizing and filling up the polygons contained in each group of vertices that define each triangle.
Watching this video was surprisingly helpful in setting up NAOMI/2 emulation. It makes sense when you see the real thing.