I was never a huge fan of ICP, but back in middle/high school juggalo kids and us metalheads ran in the same circles. I just thought they were funny. Great episode!
Exactly! I loved metal and ICP in high school, and a lot of, my friends were the same. I was in high school in the late 90's, into the early 00's and people would be listening to Korn and ICP. There were a lot of haters, but its HS, its nothing but opinionated ass holes lol.
Same! The cross-over in the crowd was big, but it makes sense. There's a lot of fairly prominent guitar work in some ICP songs from what I remember (like Milenko). I only stopped listening to ICP as much because I was listening to more metal.
"The most hated band in the world", but they will always have the biggest, closest, and most loving family of a fan base in the world and if that doesn't make you legendary then I don't know what does!
The thing is, they're hated by people who shouldn't voice any opinion about them. Hip Hop is the most mainstream genre there is, and ICP is in a niche genre, namely horrorcore, that needs some context to appreciate it. If Darkthrone (as an example) had as much exposure as ICP, people (normies) would say Darkthrone is the worst rock band ever too. I gave ICP a shot this year and it's nowhere near as bad as people say.
When I was a 12 year old kid in the lower middle class burbs of Detroit in the mid-to-late 90s, these guys were everything to me and my immediate friends. My first concert, and my Halloween costume for more than a few years. I fell away from the scene in my late teens and early 20s, but I still get all teary eyed when I see them. I would give a lot to be able to sit down and just have a beer with them and say thanks. Woop woop, my friends.
Dude it's always like that. Idk if he's like less chatty or what but it seems like J has ALWAYS run the show, shit even in a literal sense at live shows.
Adam MF Turek that’s because j is the leader of icp. Shaggy is basically the hype man. Every juggalo knows that shit. Much love to the strangla though.
They're hilarious. The total lack of taking themselves seriously is amazing. They have great attitudes. Great Milenko, that whole album had me in stitches, man.
Same bro..been down for over 22 years, had hatchet man tatt since I was 17 and here I am 35 and bump old school joker card jams but nowadays its way different...still down with the underground til I'm dead in the ground.
Found them in '97 with Milenko. After the 6th card dropped, they sort of lost me a bit. But Milenko was pure genius, still think it's one of the best rap albums of all time.
Same here, found them in ‘97. For a great number of years I was a loyal hard core fan/Juggalo. I’m not so hard core into it any more but still listening to the older joints from the early 90’s and early 2k’s.
Yeah me too in 97 ! I didn't know, until I recently stumbled upon "Fearless Fred Fury" (that's pretty damn good IMO), that they started a second deck of joker cards. But The Great Milenko along with The Amazing Jeckel Brothers and the Bizzar/Bizaar albums will forever form my Big Four of ICP albums.
I had the red joint with dead body man on it..played the shit outta it. Till my old ass tape deck ate that shit..cut it taped it back up but was never the same
@@NewportBox100s nah if it's the purple one it's not worth that much. The one that is worth alot is the red Hollywood records cassette because they were only in stores for a day before they got pulled
It's weird, I'm not a fan, but I remember reading a AP interview waaaaay back in the day where Violent J explained how he can't understand the hatred towards them because they made all their money on the indy scene, and (as he mentions here), you'll never hear them unless you want to. And that blew my mind. Whereas Metallica sold millions on the indy scene only to go full-on pop metal immediately afterwards, ICP never seemed to. They like what they like, and if you're cool with that, you're cool with them. Again, can't speak to the music (I've barely heard any except the one bonus album they did which was a 60+ minute sex rap), but I love listening to their interviews. They're so damn inclusive.
Since they're so heavy into wrestling, I'll describe it like this. They're a "Boy" Band. Not Like N'sync or the like, but a wrestling "boy". Someone who'll NEVER make it big time except through some fluke in the universe. But every week you still cheer them on cause you like them, win or lose.
This is one of the appeals of them most people never picked up on. They preach these morals to their fans and emphasizing honesty and openness, even though, understandably, on the surface it doesn't seem that way. I was in the crowd as a teen, it was a good time.
I have big respect for them making Miracles. At the time it was a big joke, but step back and just realize how incredible and miraculous some things are. Yes, they can be explained scientifically, but that doesn't mean that they don't invoke an emotional response. I used to laugh about it as a teenager but I really "get" it as an adult now.
They got shit for that video but 100% as a father I knew what they were talking about. People are pretty much asshole until they have kids for the first time and actually understand shit.
@Delray's Finest Zugpunk damn..bitter much? Things are miracles...even if they can be explained by science, for example, yes it is bio illumination that makes a fire fly glow, but it is pretty miraculous that nature came up with a evolutionary need for that to be a thing....just saying. Also the ass holes statement are because of closed minded people who wanted to make fun of a song because they couldn't see what the over all meaning was. The song is about looking through the eyes of a child and wondering how the universe works.
I was never an ICP fan but I can watch interviews with these 2 all day. I'm a wrestling fan and they are really funny in their shoot interviews and they seem like straight up down to earth dudes. That theatre show they had was really hilarious too.
The song is full of knowledge bombs and messages about appreciating life and it's wonders. Anybody that truly makes fun of it, hasn't really listened to it. Even if you don't like rap, the song is nothing but real.
Exactly! To both you all. The outside juggalo world made fun of them for miracles. But the simple things in life truly are miracles. Secondly being a kid and lookin at the world thru child’s eyes, is magical.
@@jebustchrist4054 The song has an extremely creation science point of view. It's pretty blatant in that regard. Personally I was into them back in high school, and stopped listening after Hell's pit and the Wraith.
Still can't figure out why thats so funny to people. Honestly people who make fun of it are pretty closed minded. The same people will then listen to shit music about absolutely nothing, that they can't relate to in any way and is a derivative of 12 thousand other dummies doing the exact same thing. "I'm rich, i'm a gangster, I get bitches but i don't love them because i'm super awesome." Then someone does something thought provoking and original and people are like "what a bunch of idiots." Just shows how dumb the average person in America is.
I dare to say it's actually a really smart/deep song, just articulated in a very deceptively simple/outright dumb sounding way. The real meaning of the song is pretty much resonating one-to-one with tons of Vsauce videos and other famous educators who encourage others to marvel at the wonders of the universe while doing so themselves. The guys just didn't communicate their points the best in the song I think, lol
Real talk, this was kinda lowkey one of my dream guests for a show like this because ICP are just such down-to-earth chill-ass guys that, love or hate their music, they're always awesome to hear in interviews.
Esham was like 11-12 when he dropped boomin words from hell. Ain’t no kid that creative, lyrical, talented these days. He also produced that shit. And this was before fruity loops and shit. E is a genius!
Man, isn't Esham like kinda crazy though. I got love for him, but he beefed with ICP out of the blue like a decade ago, and had that weird documentary.
Nice. About time. People been tryin' to knock these dudes out for over two decades... but the wicked clowns will never die. Legends indeed. Suck it, haters.
I wasn't ever a fan, but I remember that one song as a wee lass and I weirdly don't remember the name of the song, except if I was to hear it. It's not crazy like oh my gosh how much hate they got. It was like really? What was the whole hate about with these guys? They seem to be damn honest, down to earth and genuinely nice guys.
I’ve considered these dudes a huge influence as indie artist for decades. And it’s crazy to see them gettin so much love these days. Our styles are pretty different, we both indie underground hiphop artist. But I’ll always consider them legends, an inspiration to me musically and business wise and will continue to bump their shit for life!
This should clear it up: Even though an atom's electrons don't move very far, their movement is enough to create a tiny magnetic field. Since paired electrons spin in opposite directions, their magnetic fields cancel one another out. Atoms of ferromagnetic elements, on the other hand, have several unpaired electrons that have the same spin. Iron, for example, has four unpaired electrons with the same spin. Because they have no opposing fields to cancel their effects, these electrons have an orbital magnetic moment. The magnetic moment is a vector -- it has a magnitude and a direction. It's related to both the magnetic field strength and the torque that the field exerts. A whole magnet's magnetic moments come from the moments of all of its atoms.
Everyone says "I don't care for their music, but they seem like cool guy's" Just admit you like them! Enjoy their music! They're awesome, and always have been! People let their ego control them too damn much, and worry about what other people think about you
Amen. Their music is mostly just funny and fun. All the murder is like a horror movie. Icp is the Jason of rap. It’s all just fantasy stories set to a beat.
@@MrJPEzra Yeah, just go into it with the mindset you would sitting down to watch a horror B-movie. It's silly, campy, and over the top but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Sometimes you want to watch The Shining, sometimes you want to watch Killer Klowns From Outer Space
As someone who was listening to them in junior high in the early 90s I can tell you that yes I loved their music as a teen. But grew out of it. I listen every now and t hen. But only the stuff I liked back then. I tried listening to them later on. But I just don't like their later stuff. And for people who don't or have never listened to their stuff it is possible to Like them personally for being so chill and humble. And still not like their music. Just sayin.
I’m not a juggalo really, but I am addicted to watching these two talk and have started to slowly transform into a juggalo. Even the music is growing on me and I’m 40 yrs old....#nevertoolateforthedarkcircus
I'm still not big on their music, but ICP's DIY ethos and work ethic, as well as their clear self-awareness, made me respect them. Respect to you, ICP!!
So happy loudwire did fact of fiction on my favorite rap duo ever. Loved J talkin about miracles and the mind of a child towards something like that. Loves these two always for the fam WHOOP WHOOP
Glad to see these guys on fact or fiction! Love em or hate em, they have some of the best stories and some of the best rumors. Good journalism all day with this segment
I use to listen to them back in highschool. I am more of a fan of them as people. Shouts out to the juggalos for being such a supportive core fanbase to the artists and themselves. I wish more fanbase can be supportive as them. *WHOOP WHOOP*
In 1996, my friend Allan gave me a Ringmaster cassette on the train tracks behind the junior high we were both students at. Shit changed. Living in Toledo, in such close proximity to Detroit, I got to witness a lot of classic ICP moments before they even started using the term 'juggalo'. I keep up on them still and go see their shows when I can, but I don't go to gatherings. Those crowds are too big and therefore a little too wildcard for me. But I'll tell you that there is nobody you can trust more as a human or a brother or sister than a true juggalo. Even the ones that grew outta the crew and the whole thing still grew up to be good family people that have good hearts and care for those below the ones most people already classify as low. They're also way smarter than they seem. It takes brains to survive hard living. At the very least, it requires a sense of humor. People hide it behind the gimmick, but all that is is their love of wrestling coming thru in their music and that shit was always dope as fuck. I have raised kids and been married but I still feel something inside when I see the Hatchetman. I still got so much fuckin clown luv. That's who had my back when I was drowning in the lower-class crime-ridden Midwest.
These guys are the modern rags to riches tale from the inner city. They preach tribe/family love and show you the errors of your ways. More intelligent and driven than your average hs drop outs. I'm proud to be a juggalo and my daughter already has that lette personality while enjoying a few of they're songs. She is 10 btw.
Been a fan of these guys for a very long time. 20+year's. It's awsome to c they still putting out shit for the fans. They been around for a long time now. Don't really listen to there new stuff that much or even heard there new stuff. But I will never forget how much fun I used to have at there shows in Detroit when i was a kid. Great times. Woooppp woooppp
I met J and Shaggy back in 1997 at a record store in Michigan that held a midnight CD release party for their Great Milenko album. They both autographed the CD inserts for everyone there. It was pretty awesome. Back then, they both had dreadlocks, and holy damn were scary looking, which I'm sure is exactly what they were going for. Glad to see they're both doing well. I still listen to ICP today, in 2020. I know it will probably never happen, but I would love to see ICP, Eminem, and Kid Rock collaborate on at least one song. I'm from Michigan and I always loved it when the local musicians there worked together.
J recently said he would love o work with Eminem, but wont with kidrock Cuz he is a racist. They did do a song a long time ago but then kid starting dissing them
@@whoisbrucewayne17 they need to remaster backyard Wrestling 1 and for the PS4 and Xbox one and put all the Psychopathic and MNE artists for the games like the are doing for Tony hawk pro skater 1 and 2
27k views and I ain't even watching this because I'm sure it's all stuff I've seen/heard before. I'm just here in the comments to say hi to all the Juggalos!
They changed my life . When I'm down they pick me up . I met them when they came to corpus Christi got on stage and l still can't believe it .. 3 finger jack 2 woops for life
@@stevenl3265 They kinda lost that almost "punk" feeling as they got older. Hard to be so anti establishment when you're a multi platinum selling artist worth like $20mil.
ICP was my favorite band ever. I have a juggalo 4 life tattoo, hatchetman, and all 6 joker cards on me. Once they stopped making good music and started just wanting to get paid I was out. Still love their old stuff though.
When I was younger my buddy and I stole a bunch of plywood and 2x4s from the neighbors house they were renovating and built a vocal booth in the basement. Lol
I used to love Eminem too much to like these guys, but man since I've grown up I'm in love lol. Im from where they're from and I see why they do what they do.
@@m1j3 I agree. Most Em fans never heard their retaliation. They killed it. But because Em was so much bigger it didn't matter to the mainstream, they made up their minds the moment people started to come to the conclusion they were a joke. Despite not really hearing a song or even a Twiztid song. Kinda tragic but then again, they're a rare gem in the music industry imo
Honestly I've never really been big on their music and I like other song's more then other's like Juggalo Island, 6 foot 7 foot, great Malinko exc... But I've always been a fan of these 2 and what they were able to do for the culture especially in the music world. They opened doors and allowed people to be themselves and be accepted for not conforming to society standards. I'm younger then them but I grew up in the 90s and it was a different time and place than it is now. People were more strict and less accepting of people sadly. If you didn't fit their ideal standards then you were an outcast and considered less. Obviously that still goes on but nowhere to that degree. But these 2 didn't care and changed that. Everytime I've seen them perform or interact with fans it was nothing but love. They made it out to be an outcast for people struggling with not fitting in with the rest of the crowd. For that they have my respect and will always support them. I'm not a Juggalo but I'm friends with alot of people whom are but I'm definitely down with the clown lol. What is a Juggalo? Fu*k if I know haha. They're not a gang, they're just a family of misfits that wanna do good for this world foreal.
I met them this past Halloween for the first time, took me 20 years and they are amazing people. And in regards to their music, dig a little bit past your confort zone and a lot of their music is relatable and talks about real shit in the world, but you have to be open minded enough to want to hear the message. Whoopwhoop
I've gotta give them some respect. They were the first music I listened to that was for me and not the stuff my mum and dad listened. They got me into rap and rock music. I hammered the Great Milenko album when it came out. I had heard nothing like it.
I saw Twiztid, Roc, Blaze, and a few openers early 2000s at Ranch Bowl in Omaha NE. J was there and a friend and I were sitting with Dope's lead singer and guitarist all the while J was talking to a woman seemingly respectfully the whole night. Some guy about 20 or so came up to J and was being rude and flashing money at him, cursing etc. J ignored him until he stood up amd asked him to calm down or go away, also while being respectful. Next thing I know after about 3 mins, the kid is being handled by a very large white man, possibly a bouncer or guard I couldn't tell. And he drug this guy to the back of the bowling alley area and tossed him out the back door with much gusto and confidence. He then walked away. J gets up and leaves the woman at the table after saying his goodbye. Then he walks back to where the guy was tossed out which led outside in the back parking lot. My friend coaxed me into following him to say hi. So I did. And I walked about 12 ft behind him to the outside where I could see he was searching his pockets for something. I took out my cigarettes, Newports, and I lit one up. He turns to me searching his clothes and said "shit, outta smokes..." I froze for a moment and said "...you can have one of mine?" He obliged and borrowed my lighter ,returning both smokes and lighter to me after lighting his own. Then, he asked if I "saw where those two fat girls went in a white Cutlass?" I said no and he replied "damn, im out anyway." Before stepping off the curb, he fist bumped me, said his thanks and told me to keep it sleazy. I blurted out the most anxious fan rhetoric sentence, "I...really enjoyed uh, your albums....thank you for making them". Shaking my head down thinking I was a fool, I heard a giggle and looked up to see him shaking his head and banter back, "haha, that was not how you thought it was going to go huh? Thank you for being a fan and the smoke." Then finished his fist bump retorting with more laughter. He then got in a car, and left. I was blown away he even talked to me and even more embarassed but, so happy I have the memory of that. I told my friend and to this day it was a very good feeling knowing I met one of my favorite artists at the time. I wonder if he ever found those two fat girls in the white Cutlass...
Never got into their music but a few years ago, I saw them play with Mushroomhead and they put on one of the most entertaining shows. Props to them for lasting as long as they have.
I was never a huge fan of ICP, but back in middle/high school juggalo kids and us metalheads ran in the same circles. I just thought they were funny. Great episode!
What year were you born in?
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Exactly! I loved metal and ICP in high school, and a lot of, my friends were the same. I was in high school in the late 90's, into the early 00's and people would be listening to Korn and ICP. There were a lot of haters, but its HS, its nothing but opinionated ass holes lol.
@@xRamZx Born in 86. It was the same at my school; we were all weirdos lol!
Same! The cross-over in the crowd was big, but it makes sense. There's a lot of fairly prominent guitar work in some ICP songs from what I remember (like Milenko). I only stopped listening to ICP as much because I was listening to more metal.
"The most hated band in the world", but they will always have the biggest, closest, and most loving family of a fan base in the world and if that doesn't make you legendary then I don't know what does!
Very true man. They can be the most hated. But they can bring the closest people/friends around.
So true!
The thing about them is love or hate them everybody knows their name
They get hate, everyone get hate, even regular people like me and you. That shouldn't define us in any way.
The thing is, they're hated by people who shouldn't voice any opinion about them. Hip Hop is the most mainstream genre there is, and ICP is in a niche genre, namely horrorcore, that needs some context to appreciate it.
If Darkthrone (as an example) had as much exposure as ICP, people (normies) would say Darkthrone is the worst rock band ever too.
I gave ICP a shot this year and it's nowhere near as bad as people say.
When I was a 12 year old kid in the lower middle class burbs of Detroit in the mid-to-late 90s, these guys were everything to me and my immediate friends. My first concert, and my Halloween costume for more than a few years. I fell away from the scene in my late teens and early 20s, but I still get all teary eyed when I see them. I would give a lot to be able to sit down and just have a beer with them and say thanks. Woop woop, my friends.
I never expected an Fact or Fiction with ICP, Holy shit 😱😮😯
Brave new world my friend.
I'm just like, finally!
@@cherri1021 Afuckingmen!!
Listen, Bud, only use an an before words starting with a vowel. Stay up!
Nice to see J not cutting off Shaggy everytime he talks lol
Haha for real
Feels like Shaggy came out of his shell this year
Exactly, hahaha - I figured he gets excited.
Dude it's always like that. Idk if he's like less chatty or what but it seems like J has ALWAYS run the show, shit even in a literal sense at live shows.
Adam MF Turek that’s because j is the leader of icp. Shaggy is basically the hype man. Every juggalo knows that shit. Much love to the strangla though.
I used to love these guys. Not way into them like I used to be but they're still cool in my book.
Same here. Their music was so easy to listen to and you could loop it. Like every song was a short story.
They're hilarious. The total lack of taking themselves seriously is amazing. They have great attitudes. Great Milenko, that whole album had me in stitches, man.
Funnily enough, their book is pretty fucking cool too!
Hella great story!
U didn't love them if they just cool to u. I'm just saying. Maybe u liked them but u ain't down that's all I'm saying
Same bro..been down for over 22 years, had hatchet man tatt since I was 17 and here I am 35 and bump old school joker card jams but nowadays its way different...still down with the underground til I'm dead in the ground.
When I clocked out for lunch, I didn’t think I’d be spending it watching ICP talking about lightning bugs and magnets. And I’m alright with that.
Same. These guys live their best lives for sure!
That put a smile on my face when he mentioned magnets 😆
Me neither 🤣
Never was a "juggalo", and never really liked rap - but those 90's ICP records were fantastically creative. cheers !
"You'll never have to sit through us while you're waiting to see your favourite band" is the most honest comment I've ever heard
Found them in '97 with Milenko. After the 6th card dropped, they sort of lost me a bit. But Milenko was pure genius, still think it's one of the best rap albums of all time.
Brownie elf!!!
That album sucked
Same here, found them in ‘97. For a great number of years I was a loyal hard core fan/Juggalo. I’m not so hard core into it any more but still listening to the older joints from the early 90’s and early 2k’s.
Yeah me too in 97 ! I didn't know, until I recently stumbled upon "Fearless Fred Fury" (that's pretty damn good IMO), that they started a second deck of joker cards. But The Great Milenko along with The Amazing Jeckel Brothers and the Bizzar/Bizaar albums will forever form my Big Four of ICP albums.
Hells pit to me was their best.
I still have my purple Great Milenko cassette tape.
Same
That’s worth hundreds now!
Still have my dog beats cassette
I had the red joint with dead body man on it..played the shit outta it. Till my old ass tape deck ate that shit..cut it taped it back up but was never the same
@@NewportBox100s nah if it's the purple one it's not worth that much. The one that is worth alot is the red Hollywood records cassette because they were only in stores for a day before they got pulled
Never been a fan, I’m a metal head, but to be honest every interview I’ve ever seen them in they seem like very genuine nice dudes.
Violent J’s pronunciation of Dizzinee is always funny.
Lololololol I noticed that too when he read the ICP Biography so funny
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Love these guys. Huge props to Loudwire for featuring them.
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Whoop whoop
It's weird, I'm not a fan, but I remember reading a AP interview waaaaay back in the day where Violent J explained how he can't understand the hatred towards them because they made all their money on the indy scene, and (as he mentions here), you'll never hear them unless you want to. And that blew my mind. Whereas Metallica sold millions on the indy scene only to go full-on pop metal immediately afterwards, ICP never seemed to. They like what they like, and if you're cool with that, you're cool with them.
Again, can't speak to the music (I've barely heard any except the one bonus album they did which was a 60+ minute sex rap), but I love listening to their interviews. They're so damn inclusive.
Since they're so heavy into wrestling, I'll describe it like this. They're a "Boy" Band. Not Like N'sync or the like, but a wrestling "boy". Someone who'll NEVER make it big time except through some fluke in the universe. But every week you still cheer them on cause you like them, win or lose.
Not my kind of music, but these guys are dope, genuine and honest.
Agree. Never listened to them but love hearing J tell stories.
This is one of the appeals of them most people never picked up on. They preach these morals to their fans and emphasizing honesty and openness, even though, understandably, on the surface it doesn't seem that way. I was in the crowd as a teen, it was a good time.
Should read the book "Behind the Paint."
They are some interesting dudes for sure.
And that is perfectly fine man
I don't care for their music but I've seen their shoot interviews with Sean Oliver and these guys are pretty cool.
@Gary Hall The Chris Candido story! That was pretty amazing
They’re super down to earth dudes. I’ve met Violent J. Super nice and friendly dude
I'm related to one of them
@@crazyclown2650 I don't doubt it
I would recommend Behind the Paint for anyone that is interested in the history. Specifically the audiobook.
Agreed
So entertaining
But when do we get part 2 he promised. The 1sr book really touched me
Can you show us on this doll where it touched you?
But nah for real though. Some "official cheeseburger" channel has the audio book here on UA-cam.
I have big respect for them making Miracles. At the time it was a big joke, but step back and just realize how incredible and miraculous some things are. Yes, they can be explained scientifically, but that doesn't mean that they don't invoke an emotional response. I used to laugh about it as a teenager but I really "get" it as an adult now.
Listening to J talk about miracles is actually pretty profound. Especially from a fathers point of view
They got shit for that video but 100% as a father I knew what they were talking about. People are pretty much asshole until they have kids for the first time and actually understand shit.
@Delray's Finest Zugpunk you wouldn't understand. You don't have kids.
@Delray's Finest Zugpunk - Relax, pal.
@Delray's Finest Zugpunk yeah dude, relax. I was just kidding.
@Delray's Finest Zugpunk damn..bitter much? Things are miracles...even if they can be explained by science, for example, yes it is bio illumination that makes a fire fly glow, but it is pretty miraculous that nature came up with a evolutionary need for that to be a thing....just saying. Also the ass holes statement are because of closed minded people who wanted to make fun of a song because they couldn't see what the over all meaning was. The song is about looking through the eyes of a child and wondering how the universe works.
I could watch hours of Fact or Fiction with ICP!
I was never an ICP fan but I can watch interviews with these 2 all day. I'm a wrestling fan and they are really funny in their shoot interviews and they seem like straight up down to earth dudes. That theatre show they had was really hilarious too.
13:38 We all joked about the song, but that' actually kinda precious.
The song is full of knowledge bombs and messages about appreciating life and it's wonders. Anybody that truly makes fun of it, hasn't really listened to it. Even if you don't like rap, the song is nothing but real.
Exactly! To both you all. The outside juggalo world made fun of them for miracles. But the simple things in life truly are miracles. Secondly being a kid and lookin at the world thru child’s eyes, is magical.
@@jebustchrist4054 The song has an extremely creation science point of view. It's pretty blatant in that regard. Personally I was into them back in high school, and stopped listening after Hell's pit and the Wraith.
Still can't figure out why thats so funny to people. Honestly people who make fun of it are pretty closed minded. The same people will then listen to shit music about absolutely nothing, that they can't relate to in any way and is a derivative of 12 thousand other dummies doing the exact same thing. "I'm rich, i'm a gangster, I get bitches but i don't love them because i'm super awesome." Then someone does something thought provoking and original and people are like "what a bunch of idiots." Just shows how dumb the average person in America is.
I dare to say it's actually a really smart/deep song, just articulated in a very deceptively simple/outright dumb sounding way. The real meaning of the song is pretty much resonating one-to-one with tons of Vsauce videos and other famous educators who encourage others to marvel at the wonders of the universe while doing so themselves. The guys just didn't communicate their points the best in the song I think, lol
Real talk, this was kinda lowkey one of my dream guests for a show like this because ICP are just such down-to-earth chill-ass guys that, love or hate their music, they're always awesome to hear in interviews.
Esham was like 11-12 when he dropped boomin words from hell. Ain’t no kid that creative, lyrical, talented these days. He also produced that shit. And this was before fruity loops and shit. E is a genius!
Esham was 14 when boomin came out
Landon Fyre or whatever his name is... That kid's got talent.
All of you need to do some research lol he was 16
EAST SIDE HOES AND MONEY!
Man, isn't Esham like kinda crazy though. I got love for him, but he beefed with ICP out of the blue like a decade ago, and had that weird documentary.
J’s rant about miracles and magnets is honestly so wholesome, drink faygo stay safe my juggalos and juggalettes whoop whoop (spell check edit hh)
Faygo .... That says Detroit !
I've heard J tell that story at least 15 time's, and still never remembers the word's "Railroad Ties" Lol
Legends!
I've always liked these dudes. They get a lot of shit, but every interview I've seen they come off as honest genuine guys.
I understand their musics not for everybody but these dudes seriously have some masterpieces under their belt.
They are...And unlike many they truly love their fans...WHOOP WHOOP✌✌👊👊
@@thedoctorroth ..."Ticket.... please.. thanks walk thru the doors"......
Nice. About time.
People been tryin' to knock these dudes out for over two decades... but the wicked clowns will never die. Legends indeed. Suck it, haters.
Listen to their new album fred fury it’s so good
Whoop Whoop. Wicked Clowns are Forever.
MMFCL
Whoop whoop
Whoop whoop
I didn't realize I wanted this episode until it was uploaded
I wasn't ever a fan, but I remember that one song as a wee lass and I weirdly don't remember the name of the song, except if I was to hear it. It's not crazy like oh my gosh how much hate they got. It was like really? What was the whole hate about with these guys? They seem to be damn honest, down to earth and genuinely nice guys.
Big Money Hustlers forever one of my favorite movies...
I just watched that the other day! Big Money Rustlers was a little harder to sit thru tho.
@@helterskellington4780 you ain't wrong on that! And I was so excited for it too... lol
Classic
Love that movie it awesome and big money rustlas
Magic magic ninja whuuuuut!
Suuuuuuugar beeeeeear. Sugahbear!
I'm not even a fan, but ICP gives some of the best interviews I've ever seen.
First time I heard these guys, I was like "wtf..."
Second time through I was laughing my ass off.
Now its always just a smile on my face.
I was hooked the first time I heard them. Still listen to them to this day.
Props for doing the show with these guys. Wasn’t expecting it.
Dude called it the needing game
Great interview. I love how Shaggy and Violent Jay play off each other.
I miss the days when J's personality was basically that of a belligerent nutcase
Meth
I would love to see new fresh ICP theatre.
Haha it was an act. Most of the 90s they took on the personalities of wrestlers and how wrestlers act on tv. It was brilliant
Miss those days
I'm glad he's a bit more stable now though. He was worrying me for a bit there.
Hellz yeah! Love me some ICP. Seen them live a couple of times and they put on a wicked show!
I’ve considered these dudes a huge influence as indie artist for decades. And it’s crazy to see them gettin so much love these days. Our styles are pretty different, we both indie underground hiphop artist. But I’ll always consider them legends, an inspiration to me musically and business wise and will continue to bump their shit for life!
But the question remains:
How do magnets work?
Ur mum
That's why they asked it, nobody knows how magnetism works
MIRACLES!
Because they're sticky from all that faygo.. that's why they stick together
This should clear it up: Even though an atom's electrons don't move very far, their movement is enough to create a tiny magnetic field. Since paired electrons spin in opposite directions, their magnetic fields cancel one another out. Atoms of ferromagnetic elements, on the other hand, have several unpaired electrons that have the same spin. Iron, for example, has four unpaired electrons with the same spin. Because they have no opposing fields to cancel their effects, these electrons have an orbital magnetic moment. The magnetic moment is a vector -- it has a magnitude and a direction. It's related to both the magnetic field strength and the torque that the field exerts. A whole magnet's magnetic moments come from the moments of all of its atoms.
Everyone says "I don't care for their music, but they seem like cool guy's"
Just admit you like them! Enjoy their music! They're awesome, and always have been! People let their ego control them too damn much, and worry about what other people think about you
Amen. Their music is mostly just funny and fun. All the murder is like a horror movie. Icp is the Jason of rap. It’s all just fantasy stories set to a beat.
@@MrJPEzra Yeah, just go into it with the mindset you would sitting down to watch a horror B-movie. It's silly, campy, and over the top but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Sometimes you want to watch The Shining, sometimes you want to watch Killer Klowns From Outer Space
So if someone doesn't like their music they have to think they're bad guys too got it
As someone who was listening to them in junior high in the early 90s I can tell you that yes I loved their music as a teen. But grew out of it. I listen every now and t hen. But only the stuff I liked back then. I tried listening to them later on. But I just don't like their later stuff. And for people who don't or have never listened to their stuff it is possible to Like them personally for being so chill and humble. And still not like their music. Just sayin.
Listen to their track on Heavy Metal 2000's soundtrack. It's great!
Much love to Loudwire for this! Whoop Whoop!
I’m not a juggalo really, but I am addicted to watching these two talk and have started to slowly transform into a juggalo. Even the music is growing on me and I’m 40 yrs old....#nevertoolateforthedarkcircus
I’m not really a hip-hop head, but I have never seen another group with as loyal and close of a fanbase as ICP. There’s no fandom like the Juggalos.
His name is Shaggy "you know what i'm sayin" 2 Dope......they do get that wrong sometimes
7:24 murder go round is the best circus song
Pretty dope to see them on here! Since Twiztid has put out some alt rock songs it’d be cool to see them here too. Fresh af interview!
I never anticipated this group making it on here
love these guys....so level headed ..lol
This interview is dedicated to the butterfly 🦋 my ninjas. MCL
I'm still not big on their music, but ICP's DIY ethos and work ethic, as well as their clear self-awareness, made me respect them.
Respect to you, ICP!!
Shaggys place is so chill with the mirror and plants lol, not exactly the environment i wouldve guessed for his personal tastes.
He's married bro. The wife had everything to do with that.
Jay looks like he's living in a nice full-blown house,shaggy looks like he's living in an apartment.
@@XxReptilesGalorexX js in the studio
You should see the crazy shit Shaggy and his son do on Instagram, funny as hell.
@@Kisame66 his son? You think the creep is his son?
So happy loudwire did fact of fiction on my favorite rap duo ever. Loved J talkin about miracles and the mind of a child towards something like that. Loves these two always for the fam WHOOP WHOOP
Damn, quarantine is making Shaggy 2 Bloat LMAO
Shaggy 2 Flabby
@@buddyhoover2618 Watch his "cooking" video on his channel, and it'll make sense ua-cam.com/video/ihfZRDpXNvs/v-deo.html
He been addicted to Wendy's nuggets he did a challenge yesterday to eat 50 in one sitting
I don't have a problem with them. I'm just saying lol
My reaction was "Shaggy got fat!" when I saw him.
These guys got me through High School. Will always be a juggalo!
Glad to see these guys on fact or fiction! Love em or hate em, they have some of the best stories and some of the best rumors. Good journalism all day with this segment
I use to listen to them back in highschool. I am more of a fan of them as people. Shouts out to the juggalos for being such a supportive core fanbase to the artists and themselves. I wish more fanbase can be supportive as them. *WHOOP WHOOP*
In 1996, my friend Allan gave me a Ringmaster cassette on the train tracks behind the junior high we were both students at. Shit changed.
Living in Toledo, in such close proximity to Detroit, I got to witness a lot of classic ICP moments before they even started using the term 'juggalo'.
I keep up on them still and go see their shows when I can, but I don't go to gatherings. Those crowds are too big and therefore a little too wildcard for me. But I'll tell you that there is nobody you can trust more as a human or a brother or sister than a true juggalo.
Even the ones that grew outta the crew and the whole thing still grew up to be good family people that have good hearts and care for those below the ones most people already classify as low. They're also way smarter than they seem. It takes brains to survive hard living. At the very least, it requires a sense of humor.
People hide it behind the gimmick, but all that is is their love of wrestling coming thru in their music and that shit was always dope as fuck.
I have raised kids and been married but I still feel something inside when I see the Hatchetman. I still got so much fuckin clown luv. That's who had my back when I was drowning in the lower-class crime-ridden Midwest.
These guys are the modern rags to riches tale from the inner city. They preach tribe/family love and show you the errors of your ways. More intelligent and driven than your average hs drop outs. I'm proud to be a juggalo and my daughter already has that lette personality while enjoying a few of they're songs. She is 10 btw.
Thanks for sharing bro, whoop whoop!
SAAAAAME
This is an amazing comment, man. I couldn't have expressed it any better.
💜🖤
They say 'you know what I'm saying' more times than J Rock in a minute if you know what I'm saying.
Been a fan of these guys for a very long time. 20+year's. It's awsome to c they still putting out shit for the fans. They been around for a long time now. Don't really listen to there new stuff that much or even heard there new stuff. But I will never forget how much fun I used to have at there shows in Detroit when i was a kid. Great times. Woooppp woooppp
I love the fact that he brought up magnets hahahaha
I don't wanna sound like I know what I'm talking about. Hilarious J.
I met J and Shaggy back in 1997 at a record store in Michigan that held a midnight CD release party for their Great Milenko album. They both autographed the CD inserts for everyone there. It was pretty awesome. Back then, they both had dreadlocks, and holy damn were scary looking, which I'm sure is exactly what they were going for. Glad to see they're both doing well. I still listen to ICP today, in 2020. I know it will probably never happen, but I would love to see ICP, Eminem, and Kid Rock collaborate on at least one song. I'm from Michigan and I always loved it when the local musicians there worked together.
J recently said he would love o work with Eminem, but wont with kidrock Cuz he is a racist. They did do a song a long time ago but then kid starting dissing them
@@steveohowell4530 Kidrock: the only white person from the north to act like he’s a cowboy from the south
Hell yeah ….Rock of ages!!!!
@@b-rog4444 That's right! That's the place! I loved that place.
@@Jubeik78 hell yeah homie…I still go there regularly….that store is the shit!!!!
I could listen for hours to these guys and they are radiating gratitude. Thanks very much!
I'm surprised to see so many fellow juggalos on the loudwire page. Where yall been hiding? Whoop Whoop
We need a backyard wrestling 3
Just bought the second game for my PS2. Can't wait to play that shit. We definitely need a 3rd!
@@whoisbrucewayne17 they need to remaster backyard Wrestling 1 and for the PS4 and Xbox one and put all the Psychopathic and MNE artists for the games like the are doing for Tony hawk pro skater 1 and 2
27k views and I ain't even watching this because I'm sure it's all stuff I've seen/heard before. I'm just here in the comments to say hi to all the Juggalos!
All the interviews I've seen with them lately j always sounds like he geeked the fk out. Loved these guys back in the day.
Just about lost it when he went off about magnets 😂
"You ever seen a ing rainbow? Blows my mind man!"
Fuckin magnets, how do they work???
@@DeathProof132 after reading comments on shaggy gaining weight, i've read this as "fucking nuggets, how do they work"
Orgasm Donor that’s exactly what I was thinking when he said that lol
I now had 2 notifications relating to icp at the same time- this, and a new hellion hero ytp video- within a half hour of each other. Lol
check out shaggy and the creep as well whoop whoop
“Who are you guys the Wu Tang clan” 😆
They changed my life . When I'm down they pick me up . I met them when they came to corpus Christi got on stage and l still can't believe it .. 3 finger jack 2 woops for life
my man loves magnets so much.
I never really liked ICP much musically, but they seem like cool individuals
Their older stuff is pretty cool and humorous. It ain’t for everyone lol but it makes me laugh every listen. In a good way
@@stevenl3265 i agree they were hilarious.
they always had really good beats and it was funny
@@stevenl3265 They kinda lost that almost "punk" feeling as they got older. Hard to be so anti establishment when you're a multi platinum selling artist worth like $20mil.
You should check them out on "whats in my bag." They have some serious music knowledge, it blew me away. They were chill as fuck in that too.
Wild stuff! Thanks icp for sharing some crazy stories :) great milenko was such a good album!
Whoop Whoop!
Those Tic-Tac UFOs?...all MAGNETS!
ICP was my favorite band ever. I have a juggalo 4 life tattoo, hatchetman, and all 6 joker cards on me. Once they stopped making good music and started just wanting to get paid I was out. Still love their old stuff though.
How arrogant
Right around The Wraith?
I was never a big ICP fan, but Tilt-A-Whirl will always be a dope ass song.
No one is gonna say anything about the neden game and how he said it lol.
It made me chuckle.
well, of course he wouldn't know how to say it. That's just a given
@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit it's called research dude
It's funny cuz those are some of my favorite songs... glad they didnt get taken off
That made me chuckle a bit too. The Neeeeden game. Haha. Love it though, he did a great job with the interview.
When I was younger my buddy and I stole a bunch of plywood and 2x4s from the neighbors house they were renovating and built a vocal booth in the basement. Lol
90% of the comments are "Never liked the music but they seem cool."
Funny thing is, they are so down to earth, they could be your friend in real life and you wouldn't know it
I used to love Eminem too much to like these guys, but man since I've grown up I'm in love lol. Im from where they're from and I see why they do what they do.
Im completely on the opposite spectrum , ima em fan these day , respecting both these days
The Diss tracks these guys put out against Eminem are classics man
@@m1j3 I agree. Most Em fans never heard their retaliation. They killed it. But because Em was so much bigger it didn't matter to the mainstream, they made up their minds the moment people started to come to the conclusion they were a joke. Despite not really hearing a song or even a Twiztid song. Kinda tragic but then again, they're a rare gem in the music industry imo
Honestly I've never really been big on their music and I like other song's more then other's like Juggalo Island, 6 foot 7 foot, great Malinko exc... But I've always been a fan of these 2 and what they were able to do for the culture especially in the music world. They opened doors and allowed people to be themselves and be accepted for not conforming to society standards. I'm younger then them but I grew up in the 90s and it was a different time and place than it is now. People were more strict and less accepting of people sadly. If you didn't fit their ideal standards then you were an outcast and considered less. Obviously that still goes on but nowhere to that degree. But these 2 didn't care and changed that. Everytime I've seen them perform or interact with fans it was nothing but love. They made it out to be an outcast for people struggling with not fitting in with the rest of the crowd. For that they have my respect and will always support them. I'm not a Juggalo but I'm friends with alot of people whom are but I'm definitely down with the clown lol. What is a Juggalo? Fu*k if I know haha. They're not a gang, they're just a family of misfits that wanna do good for this world foreal.
Ok, I'll be right back everybody. I'm going to look for the photo of the wrestling ring.
"We've only begun to understand magnets, I believe." - Violent J 😆🤣
I met them this past Halloween for the first time, took me 20 years and they are amazing people. And in regards to their music, dig a little bit past your confort zone and a lot of their music is relatable and talks about real shit in the world, but you have to be open minded enough to want to hear the message. Whoopwhoop
Best Fact or Fiction I've watched, yet. Love these dudes.
I dont think that man is a true juggalo 🤔🤣😂
He tried lol
Was it the way he pronounced neden?
@@sylphann8164 that's one reason
"Needen" lol
I've gotta give them some respect. They were the first music I listened to that was for me and not the stuff my mum and dad listened. They got me into rap and rock music. I hammered the Great Milenko album when it came out. I had heard nothing like it.
U two juggalos saved my life 😘
I saw Twiztid, Roc, Blaze, and a few openers early 2000s at Ranch Bowl in Omaha NE.
J was there and a friend and I were sitting with Dope's lead singer and guitarist all the while J was talking to a woman seemingly respectfully the whole night.
Some guy about 20 or so came up to J and was being rude and flashing money at him, cursing etc. J ignored him until he stood up amd asked him to calm down or go away, also while being respectful.
Next thing I know after about 3 mins, the kid is being handled by a very large white man, possibly a bouncer or guard I couldn't tell. And he drug this guy to the back of the bowling alley area and tossed him out the back door with much gusto and confidence.
He then walked away.
J gets up and leaves the woman at the table after saying his goodbye.
Then he walks back to where the guy was tossed out which led outside in the back parking lot.
My friend coaxed me into following him to say hi. So I did. And I walked about 12 ft behind him to the outside where I could see he was searching his pockets for something.
I took out my cigarettes, Newports, and I lit one up. He turns to me searching his clothes and said "shit, outta smokes..."
I froze for a moment and said "...you can have one of mine?" He obliged and borrowed my lighter ,returning both smokes and lighter to me after lighting his own.
Then, he asked if I "saw where those two fat girls went in a white Cutlass?"
I said no and he replied "damn, im out anyway."
Before stepping off the curb, he fist bumped me, said his thanks and told me to keep it sleazy.
I blurted out the most anxious fan rhetoric sentence, "I...really enjoyed uh, your albums....thank you for making them".
Shaking my head down thinking I was a fool, I heard a giggle and looked up to see him shaking his head and banter back, "haha, that was not how you thought it was going to go huh? Thank you for being a fan and the smoke." Then finished his fist bump retorting with more laughter.
He then got in a car, and left.
I was blown away he even talked to me and even more embarassed but, so happy I have the memory of that. I told my friend and to this day it was a very good feeling knowing I met one of my favorite artists at the time.
I wonder if he ever found those two fat girls in the white Cutlass...
Never got into their music but a few years ago, I saw them play with Mushroomhead and they put on one of the most entertaining shows. Props to them for lasting as long as they have.
i might not be a fan of their music... but they really seem like very genuine human beings. that, i will always appreciate over music.
Homies❤
It's just there in the air
Pure motherfuckin' magic!
Who's going chicken hunting?
Love some ICP !
They are old school legends..
WERE GOING CHICKEN HUNTING!