Old Tom is a jolly old fellow; his hat is blue and his boots are yellow; but young Melkor is too serious and angry as is his case, but old Tom will sing him a song that puts a smile on his grumpy old face.
"For he would fall. Last, as he is the first, but Bombadil could not alone hold back the darkness." This was about Sauron's second darkness. A weaker force, Sauron's control of the world would be a shade under trees compared to the void of Morgoth. Tom would not win, not alone like is assumed.
The fact that Bombadil is still alive after so long indicates that he was never a threat to Morgoth or Sauron. As an entity they cannot corrupt or overpower, they would certainly want to do so. But at the same time, Tom must be unwilling or unable to challege Morgoth or oppose his plans, or else he would have a long time ago. Given his age, I think that he is actually one of the Ainur, and his "madness" is a manifestation of Melkor's discord, just not how we are used to seeing it affect things. If you think about it, if Melkor represents the greatest of the Valar, who became obsessed with power & control, perhaps Bombadil is the reverse- the "smallest & weakest" of the Valar, who rather than becoming focused on those "evil" things, he "lost" focus of Illuvatar's vision, & unlike becoming dangerously discontent like Melkor, he became "uselessly content" with the parts of creation that he liked, possibly even losing all memory of who & what he used to be. So if Melkor is an Ainur whose madness drove him to challenge creation, Bombadil is an Ainur whose "madness" drove him to accept the world as it is, & live upon it as a simple inhabitant. He just wants to get high in the woods with his younger girlfriend. A "chaotic good" counterpart to Sauron's "lawful evil". Ironically, while this aspect of Morgoth ended up weakening him over time, its possible that Tom is quite the opposite, & has actually become more powerful over time. Though this is probably because, unlike Melkor, he doesn't use it to plan anything, he just lives in the moment & does what he wants to.
Bombadil is, without any doubt, Tolkien's version of the Green Man from Anglo-Saxon and wider Germanic folklore, which means he's nature personified. Which fits his character perfectly. The Green Man is the oldest of all Northern European beliefs, yet he isn't part of the Anglo-Saxon Ēse (gods), he's separate from them, which is how Bombadil is to the Ainur from Tolkien's writings. The Valar, just like everything else in Tolkien's works are based on the folklore of the Anglo-Saxons, their gods, goddesses, their known folklore and history. Eomer, a real Angle king, son of Offa of the Mercian kingdom, the legendary ancestor of the Icling (my) family. Smaug is taken directly from Beowulf. Elves, trolls hobs etc, are all Anglo-Saxon folklore. Alfred (the Great), for example, means friends of the Elves. Gandalf's partly based on Woden (Wednesday), the chief of the gods, at times walked the land in disguise as an old wise man, or "wizard". Manwë, is the fuller version of Woden. Tulkas is Thunour (Thursday), Beren's story is taken from the story of Tiw, (Tuesday) the god of war, who lost his hand to a wolf, but Oromë is Tolkien's Tiw. Yavanna is Eorðe, Este's Eoaster (Easter), Varda's the goddess Sunna (Sunday), Ulmo's Wade, Aulë is Wayland, etc. Having Bomberdil as the oldest, but set apart from the apart from the Ainur, is the same relationship the Green Man has to the Ēse. Whether Morgoth could defeat nature, he certainly tried, he tainted the Arda forever, but in the end, no, he didn't defeat nature.
@@creepingdread88 I was just saying you should start a utube channel but then i checked and u had so i subscribed. what did u mean by 'family name'? cause i find family or surnames quite fascinating in themselves
@@SpeakyDeak Oh, I see. Yes, I do have a channel, but I don't do much with it. I do plan to, when I have more time. Ancestry is important. My ancestors were the kings of Mercia, the largest kingdom in what became England. It's the reason I spent so much time learning as much as I could about the Anglo-Saxons, more specifically the Angles. Even if Tolkien didn't write his great books, he was still one of the leading experts on the subject. He published a translation of Beowulf, from Old English, and his title was Professor of Anglo-Saxon. His intention was to embellish the known Anglo-Saxon folklore when he wrote his books. That didn't really happen, as very few people are even aware of this. Although, it does make it all, rather more interesting, knowing his intentions.
Bombadil, isn't a Valar, Maiar, Iluvatar, the song of the Ainur personified, or even John Ronald Reuel Tolkien himself. Remember, everything known about Tom Bombadil, is told to us by the Hobbits. There and Back Again and The Lord of the Rings, are in-universe written by, and from the simple point of view of the Hobbits. It's their story, we're reading. As for Tolkien, he didn't want to explain every single detail of every known living creature or being, he wanted some ambiguity. However, Bombadil, really isn't, one of these mysteries, it's quite straightforward. When Arda was being sung into existence, everything was created, from animals, trees, plants, rocks, fire and water, the air, etc, well, everything. The more powerful the Ainur, the greater their influence. Bombadil, was subconsciously brought into being by one of the Valar, most probably Yavanna. Iluvatar, gave the Ainur free will for this very purpose. Just how Ungoliant, the Watcher in the Water and the unnamed things, were created by whatever Melkor was thinking of during the creation of Arda. It doesn't appear they were trying to create them specifically, more like manifestations of their love and malice. Tom Bombadil, was created at the same time, from the same song/thoughts by the song that created nature. He could be seen as a by-product of nature, or nature itself, however you want to put it.
I don't think Bombadil could defeat Morgoth, unless Sauron was powerful enough to supplant one of the Powers "He would, perhaps, if all the free folk of the world begged him to do so,' said Gandalf. 'But he would not do so willingly. For it would only postpone the evil day. In time the Lord of the Ring would find out its hiding-place, and in the end he would come in person.(25) I doubt whether Tom Bombadil, even on his own ground, could withstand that power; but I am sure that we should not leave him to face it." IN THE HOUSE OF ELROND - History of Middle Earth And: "I know little of Iarwain save the name,' said Galdor; 'but Glorfindel, I think, is right. Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills." The council of Elrond - The Fellowship of the Ring - History of Middle Earth.
Morgoth would win, because Tolkien made bombadil a lazy asshole unwilling to act, he sings as the world burns, but maybe he was part of the original song, he outlasted morgoth
Your content is enjoyable! But it would be much better with actual voice narration. The AI stuff is really kinda tedious, way too many Tolkien channels are doing it now and it lacks any emotion. Why not narrate it yourself? Your content deserves better than this, it's really good.
Morgoth was overrated. Tulkas had beaten him multiple times just with his hands, he also feared Orome. Even Ungoliant, a sub-maia species, was close to destroy Him, his Balrogs came to help him. to the topic of this video: The Book clearly said that Bombadil would have no chance alone against Sauron and his army. So he would also not beat Morgoth
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Old Tom is a jolly old fellow; his hat is blue and his boots are yellow; but young Melkor is too serious and angry as is his case, but old Tom will sing him a song that puts a smile on his grumpy old face.
And then invites him home to tea with Goldberry. Maybe go kick it a bit with Old Man Willow...
"For he would fall. Last, as he is the first, but Bombadil could not alone hold back the darkness." This was about Sauron's second darkness. A weaker force, Sauron's control of the world would be a shade under trees compared to the void of Morgoth. Tom would not win, not alone like is assumed.
The fact that Bombadil is still alive after so long indicates that he was never a threat to Morgoth or Sauron. As an entity they cannot corrupt or overpower, they would certainly want to do so. But at the same time, Tom must be unwilling or unable to challege Morgoth or oppose his plans, or else he would have a long time ago. Given his age, I think that he is actually one of the Ainur, and his "madness" is a manifestation of Melkor's discord, just not how we are used to seeing it affect things. If you think about it, if Melkor represents the greatest of the Valar, who became obsessed with power & control, perhaps Bombadil is the reverse- the "smallest & weakest" of the Valar, who rather than becoming focused on those "evil" things, he "lost" focus of Illuvatar's vision, & unlike becoming dangerously discontent like Melkor, he became "uselessly content" with the parts of creation that he liked, possibly even losing all memory of who & what he used to be. So if Melkor is an Ainur whose madness drove him to challenge creation, Bombadil is an Ainur whose "madness" drove him to accept the world as it is, & live upon it as a simple inhabitant. He just wants to get high in the woods with his younger girlfriend. A "chaotic good" counterpart to Sauron's "lawful evil". Ironically, while this aspect of Morgoth ended up weakening him over time, its possible that Tom is quite the opposite, & has actually become more powerful over time. Though this is probably because, unlike Melkor, he doesn't use it to plan anything, he just lives in the moment & does what he wants to.
Bombadil is, without any doubt, Tolkien's version of the Green Man from Anglo-Saxon and wider Germanic folklore, which means he's nature personified. Which fits his character perfectly. The Green Man is the oldest of all Northern European beliefs, yet he isn't part of the Anglo-Saxon Ēse (gods), he's separate from them, which is how Bombadil is to the Ainur from Tolkien's writings. The Valar, just like everything else in Tolkien's works are based on the folklore of the Anglo-Saxons, their gods, goddesses, their known folklore and history. Eomer, a real Angle king, son of Offa of the Mercian kingdom, the legendary ancestor of the Icling (my) family. Smaug is taken directly from Beowulf. Elves, trolls hobs etc, are all Anglo-Saxon folklore. Alfred (the Great), for example, means friends of the Elves. Gandalf's partly based on Woden (Wednesday), the chief of the gods, at times walked the land in disguise as an old wise man, or "wizard". Manwë, is the fuller version of Woden. Tulkas is Thunour (Thursday), Beren's story is taken from the story of Tiw, (Tuesday) the god of war, who lost his hand to a wolf, but Oromë is Tolkien's Tiw. Yavanna is Eorðe, Este's Eoaster (Easter), Varda's the goddess Sunna (Sunday), Ulmo's Wade, Aulë is Wayland, etc. Having Bomberdil as the oldest, but set apart from the apart from the Ainur, is the same relationship the Green Man has to the Ēse. Whether Morgoth could defeat nature, he certainly tried, he tainted the Arda forever, but in the end, no, he didn't defeat nature.
oh, you have, wicked. hehe.
@@SpeakyDeak Do you mean my family name?
@@creepingdread88 I was just saying you should start a utube channel but then i checked and u had so i subscribed. what did u mean by 'family name'? cause i find family or surnames quite fascinating in themselves
@@SpeakyDeak Oh, I see. Yes, I do have a channel, but I don't do much with it. I do plan to, when I have more time. Ancestry is important. My ancestors were the kings of Mercia, the largest kingdom in what became England. It's the reason I spent so much time learning as much as I could about the Anglo-Saxons, more specifically the Angles. Even if Tolkien didn't write his great books, he was still one of the leading experts on the subject. He published a translation of Beowulf, from Old English, and his title was Professor of Anglo-Saxon. His intention was to embellish the known Anglo-Saxon folklore when he wrote his books. That didn't really happen, as very few people are even aware of this. Although, it does make it all, rather more interesting, knowing his intentions.
Morgoth seeks to destroy and control anyone and anything in his path. Tom controls it all at will.
Keep the content coming. Lovely stuff!
I think this questions just depends on what TOm B is exatly!
A god vs Demi-god.
Bombadil, isn't a Valar, Maiar, Iluvatar, the song of the Ainur personified, or even John Ronald Reuel Tolkien himself. Remember, everything known about Tom Bombadil, is told to us by the Hobbits. There and Back Again and The Lord of the Rings, are in-universe written by, and from the simple point of view of the Hobbits. It's their story, we're reading. As for Tolkien, he didn't want to explain every single detail of every known living creature or being, he wanted some ambiguity. However, Bombadil, really isn't, one of these mysteries, it's quite straightforward. When Arda was being sung into existence, everything was created, from animals, trees, plants, rocks, fire and water, the air, etc, well, everything. The more powerful the Ainur, the greater their influence. Bombadil, was subconsciously brought into being by one of the Valar, most probably Yavanna. Iluvatar, gave the Ainur free will for this very purpose. Just how Ungoliant, the Watcher in the Water and the unnamed things, were created by whatever Melkor was thinking of during the creation of Arda. It doesn't appear they were trying to create them specifically, more like manifestations of their love and malice. Tom Bombadil, was created at the same time, from the same song/thoughts by the song that created nature. He could be seen as a by-product of nature, or nature itself, however you want to put it.
Well, it wouldn’t happen. But if it did, Morgoth.
I don't think Bombadil could defeat Morgoth, unless Sauron was powerful enough to supplant one of the Powers
"He would, perhaps, if all the free folk of the world begged him to do so,' said Gandalf. 'But he would not do so willingly. For it would only postpone the evil day. In time the Lord of the Ring would find out its hiding-place, and in the end he would come in person.(25) I doubt whether Tom Bombadil, even on his own ground, could withstand that power; but I am sure that we should not leave him to face it."
IN THE HOUSE OF ELROND - History of Middle Earth
And:
"I know little of Iarwain save the name,' said Galdor; 'but Glorfindel, I think, is right. Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills."
The council of Elrond - The Fellowship of the Ring - History of Middle Earth.
Morgoth would win, because Tolkien made bombadil a lazy asshole unwilling to act, he sings as the world burns, but maybe he was part of the original song, he outlasted morgoth
This is goofy. Tolkien would never think about answering such a silly question
You’re goofy. You’re not Tolkien so you don’t actually know that. 👋🏻
It’s fun to think about. Silly for sure, but an interesting WHAT IF scenario.
AI generated video - so repetitive
Hence why this *other* person considered the hypothetical and presented it in this video
There's a bunch of new AI channels at the moment.
Seems like you dodged your own question.
Your content is enjoyable! But it would be much better with actual voice narration. The AI stuff is really kinda tedious, way too many Tolkien channels are doing it now and it lacks any emotion. Why not narrate it yourself? Your content deserves better than this, it's really good.
Morgoth was overrated. Tulkas had beaten him multiple times just with his hands, he also feared Orome. Even Ungoliant, a sub-maia species, was close to destroy Him, his Balrogs came to help him. to the topic of this video: The Book clearly said that Bombadil would have no chance alone against Sauron and his army. So he would also not beat Morgoth
Bombadil couldn't defeat Sauron.
If tom was so powerful why didn't he just kill Morgoth? Your comparing a god to wizard. My vote Morgoth wins for true evil never dies.