Another great video Westy👌🏻 I’ve been reading a lot about these ‘clips’ recently. Guru do a clip on adaptor for there feeders. From what I understand the idea is not to act as a ‘bolt mechanism’ but to hold the hook bait within the feeder as the method pellets/groundbait expands on the lake bed. (Guru have done an underwater video, showing that as the pellets/groundbait expand with taking on water, the hook bait tends to be forced out of the feeder away from the pellets/groundbait, leaving it less effective). The clip idea is to hold your hook & bait within the feeder as the pellets/groundbait expands. I have made my own adapted version by sticking a small piece of high density foam inside the feeder (at the hook length end) & making a cut slot in the foam. This 100% works as it holds the hook length firmly, but not aggressively. I’ve found that every time I reel back in too re-cast, the hook length is still in situ, even though the method pellets have dispersed. I also think by using the foam, it is a lot ‘freer’ to release the hoook length on a take from a fish. Also the foam is kinder on the hook line. I’ll be interested in your forthcoming tests to see how you get on. Oh, and the other thing about my adaption - a lot cheaper than £3 a feeder, I’ve just adapted all my existing feeders - methods, banjos & hybrids, & it only cost couple of pence for the foam & superglue!!!👍🏻🎣
I’m going to pin this comment to the top ! Purely because of the time and effort you have put into weighting this for everyone’s information 🎣👌🏻 I agree !
@@WestysAngling I hope it helps you & others to improve this method & at the same time save a few £’s on buying the new style feeders. I’ll send you a couple of photos of my adapted feeders sometime tomorrow Westy - hope they explain & help you. Cheers buddy, tight lines.👍🏻🎣
The Guru underwater videos with Steve Ringer show that shortening the hook length down to 2inches was not giving fish enough run to get trapped by the hook. They were feeling the weight of the feeder straight away and ejecting them. The clip, although good for keeping the bait in the pellet pile is equivalent of only having a 1 inch hooklength. Love the vids. Thanks for providing something decent to watch mate👍👍👍😁😁
I go fishing with my dad who is 74, im 54 and my lad of 10 comes with us also, we have great times even when we do not catch much. I have found your videos have inspired me to go more often so hats off to you and your dad.
Hi westy, nice to meet you and very happy with the shout out as is my lad and thanks again for the hat he was made up! More just for meeting a youTuber the hat was a bonus thanks again. See you again sometime. Great vid look forward to the next one.
Update from Colorado: Have tested further and to hold the hook and bait in place am now using stripped Cygnet Semi-Stiff Coated Hooklink (15lb). Once stripped I found a hook with a large enough eye (Fox Carp Hook Wide Gape Beaked size 8) to allow the stripped line to pass through three times. Why three times? To make a loop for the spike or band (e.g. Gardner Latex Band 3.2mm for 8mm pellet). The stripped hooklink is held perfectly in the "grip". Much less fiddly than using a knife to deepen the rut in the grip or a float stop although the latter two may work for smaller species' needs.
From what I have seen and read, the primary task of the clip is to keep the bait within the feeder, so If it lands on a slope or the pellets push out fast your hook bait won't end up 4 inches away from the feeder
Maybe the Hook Shank will grip into the rubber insert if the line doesn't ?? or a short piece of thin, silicon tube threaded on the hook link. (pushed into the clip Near the Loop end)
Great to follow you Westy! I’ve also been using these feeders a couple of weeks now, and as others advised just need a thin sharp blade to deepen the slot. One of the main uses of the slot is to allow shorter hook lengths which can help with hooking finicky carp, and it works well! Also Preston moulds fit them. Cheers
I used these for the first time yesterday. Found that the "clip" weakens after several casts and won't hold the line but I'll try your solution. Thank you.
Yesterday I did the following after the line wouldn't stay in the groove. If you use a short hook length connected to a swivel make the hook link connected to the swivel with a longish loop. The loop knot holds in the groove well but not so tight that it doesn't give when a fish takes the bait.
I think the main problem with them is that it shortens the hooklength to 2inch and I have found a 4inch hooklength optimum for carp. The reason being it allows the carp to fully take the bait into its mouth and the hook catches on the inside of its mouth on the outward ejection 🎣
@@WestysAngling Totally agree, but I’ve had sessions where the carp just nose the bait and are very finicky (hope that’s a real word Lol) This shows up as getting pestered by small silvers, small nocks and such. But a shorter hook length sometimes gives the carp less time to spit out the bait. In this situation It’s worth trying especially if using the MAP feeder. 😀
Great vlog, well filmed, excellently illustrated and clear dialogue. I have thought about buyng some but after watching Guru underway tests the conclusion was that two inch hook lengths made it easy for the carp to eject the bait as they had an easer time to feel early resistance and eject the shorter length. I feel that the new feeders do reduce the hook length to around that problem length and as you found out get away with the wafter. I think that I will stay with my Preston ICS until I can see better results from what should have been a great idea. Also by you not using the clip the full length of your hook length was fully active. Just an opinion but the jury is still out for me. Stay safe and thanks
Thanks David ! Yes I agree completely! The more I think about it the more I realise it’s an adaptation more to catch anglers than it is to catch fish 😂
Cracking video once again Westy what a great evening session,I have just bought a few of these feeders to try out hopefully the problems you had were a one off,they do look very well made and thought out cant wait to try them keep up the great work cant wait for the next download,tight lines.
im with you it is just a fancy hybrid feeder the quick stop bead is brill the feeder is fine but wear the line goes in the clip rubbish i could not get it to stop in it so just used it like a normal feeder
Matt,great review,I looked up the map video on feeder,it is to clip your line and hold your bait in position,you must have a faulty one on one rod.The video is worth a watch bud 👍
Guru hybrid feeder copy. Steve ringer uses them as you know , just incase any Americans ate watching and reading. Hybrid feeder is the one with a matrix speed bead as it sits perfectly in the bottom of the stem.
Bought half a dozen of these feeders....and I fish with 7lb hook length only one barely gripped the line, I then gave them a second chance buying somewhere else in case I had bought some dodgy ones and got the same result..... I have adapted them by removing the grip and tying my hook length with a X large float stop on it, I then place the float stop in the gap where the original grip was and it work's for me, caught a few tench on this set up but it's not very good to have to do this when you have bought them with great expectations!!!
I bought a couple a few weeks ago and also found the hook length didnt hold very well so i added a float stop to the hook length and that was a very secure fit and worked a treat, will try the razor next time. Also met a fellow subscriber mr nick brown and his lovely wife today at german lane. Both of us had some quality fish,its a pleasure to have met a fellow subscriber . Keep up the great work pal quality vid as usual.
It’s great that the videos have connected some of us local guys ! It’s a talking point at the least 😂 thanks Ste, tight lines will see you around no doubt 👌🏻👍🏻 p.s hope you didn’t rub the fact you had a beanie in his face 😂😂
Personally I would be hiding the wafter under a second layer of pellets, I think that image on the packet is just for a good look and it's probably a bit misleading by MAP. I have bought 3 of these and I'll be trying them out on Thursday.
@@WestysAngling you and me both dude👍hope you catch decent, ive picked up a good few tips from your videos ✌️Would like to see you do some tips on catching sturgeon I've only ever caught one and I'm sure it was just by luck.. lol
hiya mate. thanks for this! didnt know about these. they actually in my mind seem better designed than other method feeders. with the tight grip of the feeder and the brilliant idea with the quick change connector. regarding the clip. i just wouldnt use it matey. they seem superior in may ways tbh , and id just load the feeder as i would others. anyway, brilliant, thankyou for your time. and i will be buying these definitely. more pluses than one small minus. take care westy!
Great video. I still prefer my Guru hybrid feeders, I think it's something you just get used to, if it ain't broke, don't fix it 😂. I tend not to use the tight inserts, when I did, like you the other week I nearly lost my rod when pouring a brew..(no bait runner).
brilliant video mat ..i agree the clip in my view is kinda to much resistance...i think they are dropping the bait..as they pick it up or its pulling the bait clean out!...its not needed looking at youre test...think ill stick to my advanta which are brilliant! and interchangable check em out!.... tight lines...
I'm very new to carp fishing and I found you by searching for method feeder tutorials. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have a couple of method feeders but so far been unsuccesful in catching. It's probably still to cold to fish in the deeper parts of the lake so I'll give margins a go and try wafters instead of boilies. Atb. Paul
Thank you, yes, I’m off to see your other videos too. I’ve a lot to learn. It’s a bit intimidating going in to a tackle shop when you know very little to start with. 🤦🏻♂️.
Love watching ur video and enjoy it wen ur at wrightington fisheries took my son a cupple off weeks ago and he his first big carp on method feeder hopefully I will see u there
Hi, good info video, I will give them a go, as we go into summer I think the bigger one will be successful. I shall see I will try both, lets face it you had a great couple of hours.
Great vid ive seen them feeders and wondered if it would help or not with the clip glad i seen this vid first wont be getting any i allways use guru feeders angling direct have just got a new line of feeders in £1,50 ive just bought a few different sizes and i recomend them and also quick change system harrys seems to be fishing better hopefully be on there this week 👍
@@WestysAngling yes its a shame when a place gets spoiled as most kids now have no respect will get on early as im of work dont mind helping kids when they are interested in fishing would be better with a decent bailiff on there thanks for the warning
@@paulmichelleontourfishing2106 it is a shame, but all them fishing with like fixed rigs and like travel rods that just aren’t up to the job and will effect fish health. They need to have adult supervision under the age of 16, that’s the minimum rule that needs to be in place
hi westy alan in dublin here picked up 2 map feeders over the weekend watched your vid checked out the 2 feeders and had the same prob with the hooklength! i got a small blade an nicked the v rubber about a millimeter prob sorted but make sure you nick it to keep the line in it otherwise as pointed out the fish will feel it and drop it!!
Evening Alan ! Hope your well matey ! To be honest with you after some tests I probably won’t be using the line clip, I think it has potential negative effects but see what you think, id love to get your opinion 👌🏻🎣
You cant beat a double hook up!! Gets the adrenaline flowing! Those feeders look really well made, I'll be interested to see how you get on with them. For now I'll stick to my Guru hybrid feeders...tight lines matey.
Bought some of these last week. The Medium one hwld the line but the large one didn't. So i ran a razor blade carefully down between the slit. Seems ok now. The "Connectors" are great, ive ordered some more as ive lost one already 😅😅 Great video 👍👍
Another informative video thanks pal👌 With the amount of feeders i go through🤦 i think ill stick to the old Fleabay type as they work wonders for me👌 🎣🎣🎣
I offered my dad some of these MAP feeders I bought and he declined them for the Fleabay feeders 😂 what does that tell you ! They are cracking for the price !
I will give them a try for myself some point... but it seems from the video that by the time the line is in the rubber clip does not leave more than a couple inches, reducing your hooklenth considerably. Watching guru underwater, my take seems that digestion/hook length to the mouth is key sometimes.
Yes I'm a friend of den I fished with him a handful of times he's not doing any UA-cam videos for a few months as his having an operation no thing major he's a brilliant fisho all our carp here in oz are wild carp we have no stocked pond carp
@@theimpaler5034 Nice to meet you,I've chatted to Den a couple of times (PC)Nice guy.I lived n Whyalla in S australia and in Cheltenham in Melbourne.(in the 60's)I'm back in manchester UK now.I saw on Den's latest vid that he won't be on for a while because of his operations.I wish you an Aussie farewell,GOODAY MATE.😎
hi,glad its not just me,i did the same,saw video of new feeders,bought quite a few and same as you,i have 3 that dont hold the line, bit cheesed with them at mo,mabe thicker line,but i have 8lb on 1 and 10lb on other, like your videos gonna try a couple of the waters you use,from Blackpool.
Apparently if you run a blade through them it fixes the issue, but to be honest Michael , I don’t think it’s a great idea having the line in the clip !
do you tie the leader to the mainline through the insert, if not isn’t it possible that the fish may pull the insert from the other end and run off with half your rig?
Yes buddy ! You tie your mainline to the little insert via a small hole. Then you put the loop of your banded hair rig over the hook of the insert then press it back into the rubber part 🎣👌🏻 few videos on the channel that shows this in more detail 👍🏻
No that never seems to happen ! It’s because the rubber part is what’s keeping the peg secure and your hook-length in place. And the peg is what’s taking all the force so there is no downward force on the rubber shield 👍🏻🎣
Just bought a bucket load of these but haven't had the chance to put them to the test yet 🤔 Must admit I've a few concerns after watching this 🙄 Great review & thanks for sharing 👍
I've used different feeders with banded hair rigs and the same has happened, they've nicked the bait out of the band and not had a hook up so I cant say it would result as feeder mal function just my opinion
In conclusion: MAP Embed Feeders Having read a fair number of reviews the conclusion seeems to be that the weakest part of these feeders is the line grip. After my use I agree but it only loosens after a period of time after getting wet. When, I believe, is dependent on the thickness of the line you are using. Best solution is to have a float stop on your hook length that you use in the grip. Length of hook length Doesn't seem to matter. When a fish takes the bait and snatches the line out of the grip, the feeder is going to stay away from its mouth. The only thing I have a concern about is the length of the loop from the swivel to where the grip is. The shorter the length the less chance of that loop getting snagged. I am a firm believer that keeping the bait over the feed that is in the feeder is the key. (Don't move the feeder after the cast!) NB Works well in weedy areas as there appears to be no separation of the feeder's bait or feed. Everything stays put.
I'll stick to the tried and trusted korum dura's , nice video honest review, and I think one of those carp as been attacked by a cormorant, I've seen damage like that before 👍
Only took three casts to come to this conclusion! In essence you are shortening the hooklength to 1 inch and it’s just not long enough for a carp to take it into its mouth 🐟
Was just gonna say you've reduced the hook length...reducing the amount of time the fish has to swallow the bait before it feels resistance!! I've tried shorter hook lengths, and it has the same effect!! 4 inch all day pal....Great watch again!!
@@WestysAngling Never known anyone go through so many landing net handles. Shout out to all the manufacturers out there send us a Westy proof landing net handle to review. 😂😂🥰
I hate that the hooklengh just hooks on with the loop and isnt actually tied on at all, how is this supposed to work? I can pull it out with my hand...anyone else having this problem?
You can pull it out with your hand because you are putting reverse force on the line by holding it. When the fish is on the hook the force is just going to the rod and reel. Sound of but it works, the hook-length will never pull out the insert buddy 🎣👌🏻
@WestysAngling thanks mate, appreciate the reply, I was going to bodge it with a swivel and plastic tube that fits ahah but I get what you are saying and trust you, cheers
They don't look to clever to be honest!! The clip seems to make it almost like a 2 inch hook length!! I'd say that they would be better with either a 6 inch hook length or a 4inch and ignore the clip but seems to defeat the object doesn't it. Like I say I use the guru one wich seem mint but I want to try the preston innovations ones they look good. Brilliant video as always tight lines 👍
Sorry but clip is waste of time (in my opinion) if you have not tried guru's feeders give them a try i love the Elasticated stems takes all the lunges and rarely loose a fish! Has high sides similar to this! I dont use method feeders much but do use the stems with inline leads in my solid bags (the short ones) cost bit more but worth it! Great review 👏
I do like elasticated stems but the amount of fisheries that don’t allow them is ridiculous! What’s the biggest fish you have had on a guru elasticated stem ? 🎣
@WestysAngling probably around 18lb most on my syndicate are between 12-20lb i use 1 rod with said solid bag and other 2 with basic inline lead with mesh pva
Going by the Guru underwater series a super short hooklegnths seems ineffective, 4 inch seems the optimum length, I modified my feeders from an idea by "That's On" on UA-cam, all you do is make a 2 mill groove in your chosen method feeder with a tiny file at hooklegnth end, then any hooklegnths you make you slide a floatstop on first before tying off the loop, the stop will then fit in the groove you've made, obviously this can't apply to ready made hooklegnths, I have not tested them yet as I'm not fishing carp waters at the moment. The Embeds seem to reinforce Gurus thinking though which is a shame, to keep a wafter in place I simply gently attach a no6 stotz about 10 mill from the hook, seems to wok looking at tank tests, tight lines pal.
Some match spivs also prefer the hookbait to roll off into the surrounding area of bait that's dropped off the feeder, a hungry carp will hoover the lot off, seems we as anglers can overthink it sometimes lol, all the best mate.
Been playing around with 2" hooklengths this year, especially with pellet feeders and had some fantastic results. One thing for sure is I do not use QM1 hooks as I find the gape from the point to shank is to short. I've been using MWG and KKHB hooks and getting fantastic hook holds. This is a wide gape pattern. Just saying don't rule them out altogether 👍
Just to let you know m8, my wife contacted map and asked questions. Yes the clip could have a machine fault and scoring it would help. Secondly, the way the bait is presented is for illustration only. So try hiding the hook bait as normal. Hope this helps
The quality control on the line clip is very bad as there is flash in the bottom of the line clip, I clean it out with a small razor blade which fixed the problem, MAP need to take a serious look at this.
Very useful review but where’s dad? See what happens when you go solo - double hookup without your right hand man! Looks like the new feeders need a bit of minor fettling to get the best out of them.
Feeders are crap. Mine came with a missing insert. There's no physical slot for the line either, just the V to guide the line to a point where you have to cut in to the rubber with the line which weakens the line! Asked MAP several times for help - zero response, so, not getting another penny from me!
Your not the first to say clip idea don’t work , feeders are good but I personally would not use the clip , like you I think it’s a bit gimmicky , was going to buy some , but after reading a few reviews, I changed my mind ,
Great vidéo pal. Try 0.16 or 0.18 hook length. The likes of 0.24 and thicker will not go in. Went to the venue 6 weeks ago and caught 18 carp and a 4lb barbel on tip.
Another great video Westy👌🏻 I’ve been reading a lot about these ‘clips’ recently. Guru do a clip on adaptor for there feeders. From what I understand the idea is not to act as a ‘bolt mechanism’ but to hold the hook bait within the feeder as the method pellets/groundbait expands on the lake bed. (Guru have done an underwater video, showing that as the pellets/groundbait expand with taking on water, the hook bait tends to be forced out of the feeder away from the pellets/groundbait, leaving it less effective). The clip idea is to hold your hook & bait within the feeder as the pellets/groundbait expands. I have made my own adapted version by sticking a small piece of high density foam inside the feeder (at the hook length end) & making a cut slot in the foam. This 100% works as it holds the hook length firmly, but not aggressively. I’ve found that every time I reel back in too re-cast, the hook length is still in situ, even though the method pellets have dispersed. I also think by using the foam, it is a lot ‘freer’ to release the hoook length on a take from a fish. Also the foam is kinder on the hook line. I’ll be interested in your forthcoming tests to see how you get on. Oh, and the other thing about my adaption - a lot cheaper than £3 a feeder, I’ve just adapted all my existing feeders - methods, banjos & hybrids, & it only cost couple of pence for the foam & superglue!!!👍🏻🎣
PS - if you send me your EMail address, I can show you photos of my adaption. 👍🏻
WestysAngling@gmal.com
I’m going to pin this comment to the top ! Purely because of the time and effort you have put into weighting this for everyone’s information 🎣👌🏻 I agree !
@@WestysAngling I hope it helps you & others to improve this method & at the same time save a few £’s on buying the new style feeders. I’ll send you a couple of photos of my adapted feeders sometime tomorrow Westy - hope they explain & help you. Cheers buddy, tight lines.👍🏻🎣
@@WestysAngling Hi Westy, sent you EMail, as promised - just check your ‘spam’ folder, in case it’s gone into there👍🏻🎣
The Guru underwater videos with Steve Ringer show that shortening the hook length down to 2inches was not giving fish enough run to get trapped by the hook. They were feeling the weight of the feeder straight away and ejecting them. The clip, although good for keeping the bait in the pellet pile is equivalent of only having a 1 inch hooklength. Love the vids. Thanks for providing something decent to watch mate👍👍👍😁😁
Backs up my findings ! It makes sense 👌🏻🎣
I go fishing with my dad who is 74, im 54 and my lad of 10 comes with us also, we have great times even when we do not catch much. I have found your videos have inspired me to go more often so hats off to you and your dad.
Hi westy, nice to meet you and very happy with the shout out as is my lad and thanks again for the hat he was made up! More just for meeting a youTuber the hat was a bonus thanks again. See you again sometime. Great vid look forward to the next one.
He was a really polite young lad Dan ! You must be proud 👌🏻 He deserved it, yes definitely! see you around 🎣
Update from Colorado: Have tested further and to hold the hook and bait in place am now using stripped Cygnet Semi-Stiff Coated Hooklink (15lb). Once stripped I found a hook with a large enough eye (Fox Carp Hook Wide Gape Beaked size 8) to allow the stripped line to pass through three times. Why three times? To make a loop for the spike or band (e.g. Gardner Latex Band 3.2mm for 8mm pellet). The stripped hooklink is held perfectly in the "grip". Much less fiddly than using a knife to deepen the rut in the grip or a float stop although the latter two may work for smaller species' needs.
From what I have seen and read, the primary task of the clip is to keep the bait within the feeder, so If it lands on a slope or the pellets push out fast your hook bait won't end up 4 inches away from the feeder
You just love to see those tips bent, cant get enough of it. Awesome session m8 !
Another entertaining video Westy....great skills in the filming and catching, very enjoyable 👍
Maybe the Hook Shank will grip into the rubber insert if the line doesn't ?? or a short piece of thin, silicon tube threaded on the hook link. (pushed into the clip Near the Loop end)
Guru x stem elastics fit these and yes, the slot in the rubber needs a little cut to hold the line, seems the rubber hasn’t parted properly
Great info thanks Richie !
Thanks Richie
Great to follow you Westy! I’ve also been using these feeders a couple of weeks now, and as others advised just need a thin sharp blade to deepen the slot. One of the main uses of the slot is to allow shorter hook lengths which can help with hooking finicky carp, and it works well! Also Preston moulds fit them. Cheers
I used these for the first time yesterday. Found that the "clip" weakens after several casts and won't hold the line but I'll try your solution. Thank you.
Yesterday I did the following after the line wouldn't stay in the groove. If you use a short hook length connected to a swivel make the hook link connected to the swivel with a longish loop. The loop knot holds in the groove well but not so tight that it doesn't give when a fish takes the bait.
I think the main problem with them is that it shortens the hooklength to 2inch and I have found a 4inch hooklength optimum for carp. The reason being it allows the carp to fully take the bait into its mouth and the hook catches on the inside of its mouth on the outward ejection 🎣
@@carpfishingcolorado Definitely worth trying, thank you 🙏
@@WestysAngling Totally agree, but I’ve had sessions where the carp just nose the bait and are very finicky (hope that’s a real word Lol) This shows up as getting pestered by small silvers, small nocks and such. But a shorter hook length sometimes gives the carp less time to spit out the bait. In this situation It’s worth trying especially if using the MAP feeder. 😀
Great vlog, well filmed, excellently illustrated and clear dialogue. I have thought about buyng some but after watching Guru underway tests the conclusion was that two inch hook lengths made it easy for the carp to eject the bait as they had an easer time to feel early resistance and eject the shorter length. I feel that the new feeders do reduce the hook length to around that problem length and as you found out get away with the wafter. I think that I will stay with my Preston ICS until I can see better results from what should have been a great idea.
Also by you not using the clip the full length of your hook length was fully active.
Just an opinion but the jury is still out for me.
Stay safe and thanks
Thanks David ! Yes I agree completely! The more I think about it the more I realise it’s an adaptation more to catch anglers than it is to catch fish 😂
The preston banjo feeder is the best on the market you can use a quick change bead as well.
Mine done the same mate if you take the plastic bit out put the line in and reset it it’s fine then
Cracking video once again Westy what a great evening session,I have just bought a few of these feeders to try out hopefully the problems you had were a one off,they do look very well made and thought out cant wait to try them keep up the great work cant wait for the next download,tight lines.
Let me know how you get on with yours Martin ! Thanks for watching 🎣
im with you it is just a fancy hybrid feeder the quick stop bead is brill the feeder is fine but wear the line goes in the clip rubbish i could not get it to stop in it so just used it like a normal feeder
Definitely Roy !
Your videos are bang on , you explain things really well top guy
Thanks Michael ! It’s always nice to get comments like this, if reassures me that I’m doing the right thing 🎣👌🏻
Matt,great review,I looked up the map video on feeder,it is to clip your line and hold your bait in position,you must have a faulty one on one rod.The video is worth a watch bud 👍
Thanks Harry! Top man 😃
keep seeing these at the tackle shop, may have to give them a go
Guru hybrid feeder copy. Steve ringer uses them as you know , just incase any Americans ate watching and reading. Hybrid feeder is the one with a matrix speed bead as it sits perfectly in the bottom of the stem.
Bought half a dozen of these feeders....and I fish with 7lb hook length only one barely gripped the line, I then gave them a second chance buying somewhere else in case I had bought some dodgy ones and got the same result..... I have adapted them by removing the grip and tying my hook length with a X large float stop on it, I then place the float stop in the gap where the original grip was and it work's for me, caught a few tench on this set up but it's not very good to have to do this when you have bought them with great expectations!!!
You aren’t the only one Jacqueline ! Bit of a gimmick in my opinion!
I bought 4 and the clip did not hold line on any. But, I used a Stanley knife and ran it down the clip, then it worked
Thanks Paul ! That’s helpful 🎣
I bought a couple a few weeks ago and also found the hook length didnt hold very well so i added a float stop to the hook length and that was a very secure fit and worked a treat, will try the razor next time.
Also met a fellow subscriber mr nick brown and his lovely wife today at german lane. Both of us had some quality fish,its a pleasure to have met a fellow subscriber .
Keep up the great work pal quality vid as usual.
It’s great that the videos have connected some of us local guys ! It’s a talking point at the least 😂 thanks Ste, tight lines will see you around no doubt 👌🏻👍🏻 p.s hope you didn’t rub the fact you had a beanie in his face 😂😂
@@WestysAngling course i did lol
Personally I would be hiding the wafter under a second layer of pellets, I think that image on the packet is just for a good look and it's probably a bit misleading by MAP. I have bought 3 of these and I'll be trying them out on Thursday.
Love watching your videos mate. Like to see your 48 hour sets and all the different approaches you try. Keep it up man vids are interesting ✌️
Hopefully some more 48 hour sessions coming this year 👌🏻🎣
@@WestysAngling you and me both dude👍hope you catch decent, ive picked up a good few tips from your videos ✌️Would like to see you do some tips on catching sturgeon I've only ever caught one and I'm sure it was just by luck.. lol
M8 , great videos, same thing happened with my ones , I was really disappointed as I pre ordered them and like you couldn’t wait to try them out
We have been sold the dream 😂
hiya mate. thanks for this! didnt know about these. they actually in my mind seem better designed than other method feeders. with the tight grip of the feeder and the brilliant idea with the quick change connector. regarding the clip. i just wouldnt use it matey. they seem superior in may ways tbh , and id just load the feeder as i would others. anyway, brilliant, thankyou for your time. and i will be buying these definitely. more pluses than one small minus. take care westy!
I have used them for a couple of sessions now and they are a very good feeder ! Just don’t use the line clip 🎣
Great video. I still prefer my Guru hybrid feeders, I think it's something you just get used to, if it ain't broke, don't fix it 😂.
I tend not to use the tight inserts, when I did, like you the other week I nearly lost my rod when pouring a brew..(no bait runner).
That’s true Stewart ! 🤣 hope you are well buddy 🎣 baitrunners can be a life (or rod) saver sometimes 🤣😂
brilliant video mat ..i agree the clip in my view is kinda to much resistance...i think they are dropping the bait..as they pick it up or its pulling the bait clean out!...its not needed looking at youre test...think ill stick to my advanta which are brilliant! and interchangable check em out!.... tight lines...
Thanks Kev ! I will take a look at them, Advanta products are always great 👌🏻
I'm very new to carp fishing and I found you by searching for method feeder tutorials. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have a couple of method feeders but so far been unsuccesful in catching. It's probably still to cold to fish in the deeper parts of the lake so I'll give margins a go and try wafters instead of boilies. Atb. Paul
You are certainly better in the margins now at this time of year Paul ! Hope the videos help ! Plenty on the channel 😃
Thank you, yes, I’m off to see your other videos too. I’ve a lot to learn. It’s a bit intimidating going in to a tackle shop when you know very little to start with. 🤦🏻♂️.
Love watching ur video and enjoy it wen ur at wrightington fisheries took my son a cupple off weeks ago and he his first big carp on method feeder hopefully I will see u there
Thanks buddy ! Yes hopefully see you around! Not fished Wrightington in a while, I need a trip soon. Nice that you go with your lad 🎣👌🏻
Hi, good info video, I will give them a go, as we go into summer I think the bigger one will be successful. I shall see I will try both, lets face it you had a great couple of hours.
Love your videos and the very honest review.
Great vid ive seen them feeders and wondered if it would help or not with the clip glad i seen this vid first wont be getting any i allways use guru feeders angling direct have just got a new line of feeders in £1,50 ive just bought a few different sizes and i recomend them and also quick change system harrys seems to be fishing better hopefully be on there this week 👍
Harry’s is fishing well !! It seems to be packed with kids in the evenings though which is annoying all shouting and messing around
@@WestysAngling yes its a shame when a place gets spoiled as most kids now have no respect will get on early as im of work dont mind helping kids when they are interested in fishing would be better with a decent bailiff on there thanks for the warning
@@paulmichelleontourfishing2106 it is a shame, but all them fishing with like fixed rigs and like travel rods that just aren’t up to the job and will effect fish health. They need to have adult supervision under the age of 16, that’s the minimum rule that needs to be in place
Thanks for this great review, exactly what I was looking for :)
No problem! Glad it was of use 👌🏻
hi westy alan in dublin here picked up 2 map feeders over the weekend watched your vid checked out the 2 feeders and had the same prob with the hooklength! i got a small blade an nicked the v rubber about a millimeter prob sorted but make sure you nick it to keep the line in it otherwise as pointed out the fish will feel it and drop it!!
make sure its a small and narrow blade!!!
Evening Alan ! Hope your well matey ! To be honest with you after some tests I probably won’t be using the line clip, I think it has potential negative effects but see what you think, id love to get your opinion 👌🏻🎣
I'VE JUST BOUGHT 3 ON THE STRENGTH OF THIS VIDEO AND HOPE TO TRY EM ON SOME BREAM.
Hi I brought the eBay banjo feeders you used in a previous video look really good for the money what moulds you use for thrm
Hard to find them now, but Preston innovations small banjo moulds, the red ones 👌🏻🎣
@@WestysAngling they the old dura ones
@@craigparkins1985 I think so 👌🏻
Good feeders them 👍
Ordered some MAP feeders to try out they looked ok to me, let’s see.
You cant beat a double hook up!! Gets the adrenaline flowing! Those feeders look really well made, I'll be interested to see how you get on with them. For now I'll stick to my Guru hybrid feeders...tight lines matey.
Guru hybrids are a great feeder ! 🎣 tight lines 👌🏻
Bought some of these last week. The Medium one hwld the line but the large one didn't.
So i ran a razor blade carefully down between the slit. Seems ok now. The "Connectors" are great, ive ordered some more as ive lost one already 😅😅
Great video 👍👍
Thanks for commenting Nigel ! There are definitely positives about the feeders 👌🏻
Another informative video thanks pal👌
With the amount of feeders i go through🤦 i think ill stick to the old Fleabay type as they work wonders for me👌
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I offered my dad some of these MAP feeders I bought and he declined them for the Fleabay feeders 😂 what does that tell you ! They are cracking for the price !
@@WestysAngling Do you ever have the need to use the extended stems that come with them???
I don't & I've a bag full now if you want some 🤣
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No 😂 I could build a matchstick house with all the ones I have in my drawer!
Great video looking to Start using feeders in my fishing, what would you say is best feeder to use?
Guru feeders are good ! But these could be more available for you
I will give them a try for myself some point... but it seems from the video that by the time the line is in the rubber clip does not leave more than a couple inches, reducing your hooklenth considerably.
Watching guru underwater, my take seems that digestion/hook length to the mouth is key sometimes.
It’s absolutely key ! But it was definitely worth the test, I’m always open to new ideas 💡
They have pinched the idea off 'Den's fishing' in Australia.he did a vid on them about a fortnight ago.He explains what the 'slit' is for.
Yes I'm a friend of den I fished with him a handful of times he's not doing any UA-cam videos for a few months as his having an operation no thing major he's a brilliant fisho all our carp here in oz are wild carp we have no stocked pond carp
@@theimpaler5034 Nice to meet you,I've chatted to Den a couple of times (PC)Nice guy.I lived n Whyalla in S australia and in Cheltenham in Melbourne.(in the 60's)I'm back in manchester UK now.I saw on Den's latest vid that he won't be on for a while because of his operations.I wish you an Aussie farewell,GOODAY MATE.😎
@@stanwilson8089 thanks mate spring in the UK hope u guys are rapped to hit the ponds or rivers cheers
@@stanwilson8089 den use to be in the national carp team in the UK long time ago
hi,glad its not just me,i did the same,saw video of new feeders,bought quite a few and same as you,i have 3 that dont hold the line, bit cheesed with them at mo,mabe thicker line,but i have 8lb on 1 and 10lb on other, like your videos gonna try a couple of the waters you use,from Blackpool.
Apparently if you run a blade through them it fixes the issue, but to be honest Michael , I don’t think it’s a great idea having the line in the clip !
do you tie the leader to the mainline through the insert, if not isn’t it possible that the fish may pull the insert from the other end and run off with half your rig?
Yes buddy ! You tie your mainline to the little insert via a small hole. Then you put the loop of your banded hair rig over the hook of the insert then press it back into the rubber part 🎣👌🏻 few videos on the channel that shows this in more detail 👍🏻
@@WestysAngling thanks mate, do fish ever fight and pull one part of the insert from the other as i’m worried if it will come apart once i have a fish
No that never seems to happen ! It’s because the rubber part is what’s keeping the peg secure and your hook-length in place. And the peg is what’s taking all the force so there is no downward force on the rubber shield 👍🏻🎣
Hi thank you for the brilliant content on your channel.I like the look of those feeders are they expensive?
Average price for feeder about £3 👌🏻
@@WestysAngling thank you
I tried those Mainline Wafters on a size 12 hook, unfortunately they acted like a pop up
What size hooks do you use when fishing on the method feeders also what lb mainline and hook line
8/10lb Daiwa sensor mainline, 7-12lb guru n-gauge hooklengths . Size 12 or 10 Korum allrounder feeder hooks.
Cracking shesh mate..well done👍
Just bought a bucket load of these but haven't had the chance to put them to the test yet 🤔 Must admit I've a few concerns after watching this 🙄 Great review & thanks for sharing 👍
See how you get on with them John and let me know 👌🏻
how is your setup? looks you have a solid armrest. And what do you use as backrest for the two rods?
A rear arm that is actually meant for pole socks 😂 the atm comes with the feeder chair ! It’s a caperlan feeder chair
I've used different feeders with banded hair rigs and the same has happened, they've nicked the bait out of the band and not had a hook up so I cant say it would result as feeder mal function just my opinion
Could definitely be coincidence! But I haven’t had it happen to me before 🎣
In conclusion: MAP Embed Feeders
Having read a fair number of reviews the conclusion seeems to be that the weakest part of these feeders is the line grip. After my use I agree but it only loosens after a period of time after getting wet. When, I believe, is dependent on the thickness of the line you are using.
Best solution is to have a float stop on your hook length that you use in the grip.
Length of hook length
Doesn't seem to matter. When a fish takes the bait and snatches the line out of the grip, the feeder is going to stay away from its mouth. The only thing I have a concern about is the length of the loop from the swivel to where the grip is. The shorter the length the less chance of that loop getting snagged.
I am a firm believer that keeping the bait over the feed that is in the feeder is the key. (Don't move the feeder after the cast!)
NB Works well in weedy areas as there appears to be no separation of the feeder's bait or feed. Everything stays put.
I'll stick to the tried and trusted korum dura's , nice video honest review, and I think one of those carp as been attacked by a cormorant, I've seen damage like that before 👍
I think they do have a cormorant issue there ! You are probably right
The fishery owner could put a couple of scarecrows around the lake, they work.👍
What knot is best for this method feeder?
I either go with a figure of 8 loop knot or a uni knot 👌🏻🎣 both very strong
Tried a few different types with line clips...they do t work, try them in a tank and see!!! Iclove the guru hybrid with a speed bead at the bottom!!!
Only took three casts to come to this conclusion! In essence you are shortening the hooklength to 1 inch and it’s just not long enough for a carp to take it into its mouth 🐟
Was just gonna say you've reduced the hook length...reducing the amount of time the fish has to swallow the bait before it feels resistance!! I've tried shorter hook lengths, and it has the same effect!! 4 inch all day pal....Great watch again!!
Where are you fishing in manchester where you can get the car that close.?
Videos at Harry’s Stan 👌🏻
I’ve just bought 2 and one of mine doesn’t hold but just looked at comments and you just put a thin blade down it.
Ps …. Great and honest review 🎣😊
What fishing line do you use?
Mainline ? 8lb Daiwa sensor, hooklength guru nguage 🎣
Have you seen the new nytro nets with a grab handle close to the neck keep up the good work my friend
I will look ! As I need one 😂😂 thanks for the recommendation 👌🏻
@@WestysAngling Never known anyone go through so many landing net handles. Shout out to all the manufacturers out there send us a Westy proof landing net handle to review. 😂😂🥰
@@PaulsWest no such thing 😂
Watch some back video's of Fishing with Den. He makes his own and they do work.
Will do 👍🏻
Amazing content double take to 🎣🎣
I hate that the hooklengh just hooks on with the loop and isnt actually tied on at all, how is this supposed to work? I can pull it out with my hand...anyone else having this problem?
You can pull it out with your hand because you are putting reverse force on the line by holding it. When the fish is on the hook the force is just going to the rod and reel. Sound of but it works, the hook-length will never pull out the insert buddy 🎣👌🏻
@WestysAngling thanks mate, appreciate the reply, I was going to bodge it with a swivel and plastic tube that fits ahah but I get what you are saying and trust you, cheers
They don't look to clever to be honest!! The clip seems to make it almost like a 2 inch hook length!! I'd say that they would be better with either a 6 inch hook length or a 4inch and ignore the clip but seems to defeat the object doesn't it. Like I say I use the guru one wich seem mint but I want to try the preston innovations ones they look good. Brilliant video as always tight lines 👍
Tight lines buddy 🎣👌🏻 I agree !
Just get a slim knife and push it into the slot of that duff feeder to open it up slightly.
Thanks Geoff!
Sorry but clip is waste of time (in my opinion) if you have not tried guru's feeders give them a try i love the Elasticated stems takes all the lunges and rarely loose a fish! Has high sides similar to this! I dont use method feeders much but do use the stems with inline leads in my solid bags (the short ones) cost bit more but worth it! Great review 👏
I do like elasticated stems but the amount of fisheries that don’t allow them is ridiculous! What’s the biggest fish you have had on a guru elasticated stem ? 🎣
@WestysAngling probably around 18lb most on my syndicate are between 12-20lb i use 1 rod with said solid bag and other 2 with basic inline lead with mesh pva
Going by the Guru underwater series a super short hooklegnths seems ineffective, 4 inch seems the optimum length, I modified my feeders from an idea by "That's On" on UA-cam, all you do is make a 2 mill groove in your chosen method feeder with a tiny file at hooklegnth end, then any hooklegnths you make you slide a floatstop on first before tying off the loop, the stop will then fit in the groove you've made, obviously this can't apply to ready made hooklegnths, I have not tested them yet as I'm not fishing carp waters at the moment.
The Embeds seem to reinforce Gurus thinking though which is a shame, to keep a wafter in place I simply gently attach a no6 stotz about 10 mill from the hook, seems to wok looking at tank tests, tight lines pal.
I certainly agree with the tests ! 4 inch is definitely opportune for the method feeder 👌🏻🎣 tight lines and thanks for commenting !
Some match spivs also prefer the hookbait to roll off into the surrounding area of bait that's dropped off the feeder, a hungry carp will hoover the lot off, seems we as anglers can overthink it sometimes lol, all the best mate.
Been playing around with 2" hooklengths this year, especially with pellet feeders and had some fantastic results. One thing for sure is I do not use QM1 hooks as I find the gape from the point to shank is to short. I've been using MWG and KKHB hooks and getting fantastic hook holds. This is a wide gape pattern. Just saying don't rule them out altogether 👍
Great video
I guess you're casting near the banks because of the worm weather right?
Yes ! Always at this time of year. The carp will almost always be tight into the banks or reeds 🎣 🌾
Ponds rulezz.. I just got "blocked" from fishing on a big river cuz water level went 15 feet high 😅
What about the pound shop ones u use🤣
You know what Paul… I think I prefer them 😂
These fit on preston steams to
That’s good I have loads !
Snap tad tight but I think preston ort to do same u seen that video of the bloke were he filed a notch in to preston feeders
Holes in the base wash the bait off , not needed.
Just to let you know m8, my wife contacted map and asked questions. Yes the clip could have a machine fault and scoring it would help. Secondly, the way the bait is presented is for illustration only. So try hiding the hook bait as normal. Hope this helps
Great information! Sounds like they are trying to get out of their false advertising and poorly designed product 😂
How did she get in touch? Tried their contact form, email and Facebook - I've been ignored for 2 weeks.
The quality control on the line clip is very bad as there is flash in the bottom of the line clip, I clean it out with a small razor blade which fixed the problem, MAP need to take a serious look at this.
They don’t care mate I have emailed them 👍🏻 they asked for photos to prove it, how do you take a photo of this issue
mate you need to invest in a better landing net lol
I think Korum do a power net aimed for bigger species
It’s the handle more than the net 😂 but I do need to spend some money on one … I keep cheeping out 😬🎣
I have had mine for over 30 years. I just adapt them, never break
@@WestysAngling yeah it sucks, I'm yet to break a net, though I've already broken a rod 🤣
Very useful review but where’s dad? See what happens when you go solo - double hookup without your right hand man!
Looks like the new feeders need a bit of minor fettling to get the best out of them.
He didn’t want to com for only a couple hours 😂 yes I will have a good play with them over the next few weeks 🎣
Feeders are crap. Mine came with a missing insert. There's no physical slot for the line either, just the V to guide the line to a point where you have to cut in to the rubber with the line which weakens the line! Asked MAP several times for help - zero response, so, not getting another penny from me!
Westys I think I may have caught no lip Lynda
Should I send it to u on ig
I want to make sure
"What seems to us as bitter trials are often blessings in disguise." --Oscar Wilde
Your not the first to say clip idea don’t work , feeders are good but I personally would not use the clip , like you I think it’s a bit gimmicky , was going to buy some , but after reading a few reviews, I changed my mind ,
Glad it’s not just me !! Thanks for the backup Chris ! 🎣👌🏻
They look rubish.
ill stick to my tried and trusted other brand feeders look forward to the landing net review after anew one good session
😂😂😂 that’s funny !
Great vidéo pal. Try 0.16 or 0.18 hook length. The likes of 0.24 and thicker will not go in. Went to the venue 6 weeks ago and caught 18 carp and a 4lb barbel on tip.
That would probably work ! But I wouldn’t like to scale down my hooklength from 0.22 these days, some nice carp in these fisheries 😂🎣