Thank you for your extremely informative video , as well as your effort. It resolves a thousand questions over BLACKMAGIC Pocket 4K/6K powering system. Exceptional effort.
so as your camera is running through the Weipu, battery supply voltage starts to drop as the battery is drained. The duration of when the voltage drop too low for the transistors to fully switch cause excessive heat, eventual turning your transistors into resistors, shutting down the camera, eventually damaging the transistors. The Battery Compartment has circuit protection apparently, shutting down when it see Low Voltage, saving the camera from heat, but leaving 40% battery with unused charged. Battery slot takes between: 6.2v - 10v External Input (Weipu) between: 10.8v - 20v So basically don't use the Weipu if you don't have a way to monitor your battery voltage as it drops, below 10.8v using the Weipu is cooking your camera even tho it is running longer.
Very interesting theory but I'm not sure that's what's happening here. The thing is the Weipu ends at around 11.4V and no heat is being produced and definitely no excessive heat. For the tests I ran it without a battery in the compartment, however, in normal use there is always a charged LPE6 inserted. Still very, very happy with the results. Cheers.
Hey! thanks for going through the trouble of recording this, very helpful. I went with the Weipu option with my BMPCC because having the small NPF battery acts as a backup in case my external power goes out. BUT it's good to know that I am potentially getting the most of the battery through the Weipu option!
@@cj64films You should get around 4hrs... at least 3.5hrs. There is not much recording time difference between the resolutions. Temperature is a factor... I was sent some new batteries to test and both did 4 and a half hrs - these Baxxtars and the news ones sent. Making a video soon.
Great video! I have a bmpcc 4k and I was looking for a way to power it without using V mount. I honestly thought that the dummy battery was the way to go. I thought that powering the camera through weipu with an Npf battery would damage the camera or the battery because of the voltage.
You're welcome. I don't run any power tests with an LP-E6 in the chamber... I did that once a loooong time ago with the original Pocket which was a false result. Did learn my lesson then ;) I would have a battery in the camera for a very specific reason: for example - I did some tests on running the Pocket cams from Power Banks and wanted to push the Amps - so I inserted a completely DEAD LP-6E into the chamber so the power bank was running the camera, lens stabilisation, SSD and charging up a dead battery. Might make that video one day; I run power banks a lot now.
@@DeronStJohn You're welcome. Don't know where you are located but these can also be found on eBay and Amazon (check it's the BMPCC version). The ON/OFF switch is just great, they are the ones I use now - www.aliexpress.com/item/4001238478149.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.ec713c007XeiFp&mp=1
Thanks mate. I was thinking how long I can power my BMPCC6k via this plate. And seems I would be able to do it for 2.5h with Ninja V (same battery) and 4h without it. Nice.
You're welcome. If you don't already have a plate I recommend these as they have an ON'OFF button. www.aliexpress.com/item/4001238478149.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.74353c00cPYMVP&mp=1
Hi. So do you leave the battery inside when using the weipu? I use the 6k pro and using npf and small rig plate, the camera is heating up and also the voltage fluctuates.
I do not leave a battery inside. If you are going to do that then make sure each time it is a FULLY charged battery or you'll be asking the NPF to power the camera AND charge the battery at the same time. Also the Smallrig one are just bad - I'd get a different plate if I were you - (Ignore the 'dummy' you're only getting this for the plate. These are absolutely awesome especially as they have a super useful ON/OFF button. Have always used Andoer from way back BMPCC OG days... upgraded to these as soon as they came out - www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004776173628.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.7dde38daw2Z0dt&mp=1
Great Video! I was using the dummy battery because of it's lower power pull indication. I have a question what media were you recording on because I am recording on? By the look on the screen indicator I am assuming you are using CFast. My question is because the power pull is different if you are using an SSD. Have you tried, with similar results using and SSD. Thank you for taking the time to help spreading the information.
Hiya, thanks a lot. Glad you liked the video. You do raise a good question. I am actually not recording to Cfast 2.0 but to Sandisk SSDs, albeit, with a CFast to SSD adapter shown in a previous video of mine (link added). I doubt the difference will be that much using Cfast as SSDs do draw more power (again I have no proof of this but most will guess so). Even when I was using USBC SSDs and a dummy there would still always be a lot of juice left in the battery. The adapter video - ua-cam.com/video/4LoCY9-07I8/v-deo.html
Thank you for this super helpful video :) i have a question, When you power from weipu does you put the LP-E6 battery inside the camera ? Or without the battery ?
Felix Egbert Hi. I did the tests without a battery in the compartment simply because I wanted to show just the difference. I did also run it with a FULLY CHARGED LP-E6... it will go from 12V to 11. something then to 7.something as soon as it switches to the LP. You can immediately swap the NPF for a full one and it jumps back to 12+ for continuous power. I will be using them with a battery inserted. Cheers.
@@freejay3 Yeah BM states that. I did that test once to see the voltage and then decided never to have a battery in it... weird jump. My earlier comment has CHANGED... I will NOT be keeping a battery in the compartment!
@ 3:16 I mention 1TB SSD - the exact Cfast to SSD adapter here - ua-cam.com/video/4LoCY9-07I8/v-deo.htmlsi=y2x_R7-N5d6PeOgj Also different media run times here - ua-cam.com/video/ovf_oFxtWpg/v-deo.htmlsi=Jh-7HTfMs0P6Wbhe
Thank you for this! Which port would you recommend to use with a V-mount? The V-mount battery outputs 14.8 volts. I just want to get the longest running time from my batteries (6K)
Hi, I got the tilta plate, my 790 npf only last me 50 minutes, and with the 550 npf just 12minutes. Then there is a strange electric noise and the camera turn off. If i put and lpe-6 battery inside the camera the noise is really loud , when i try to record something the noise intensify so i just turn it all off. I´m looking all over internet and nobody has the same problem. Maybe i got a really bad copy. I´m going to buy a pencil microphone that need phantom power (it can´t run only on the canon lpe); thats why I’m thinking on buying the andoer plate that you recomend. Did this ever happen to you? Great video by the way i really would love to know your thoughts.
Hiya, yeah the Tilta and Smallrig plates seem not to be very good - in the 'Groups' there are so many problems posted about them. Could be because they are all metal. Have never had that issue and I've used Andoer plates right from the OG Pocket days. It is also a good idea to use 'external' power sources WITHOUT a battery in the compartment. The pencil mic can probably be run from the 2nd DC port on the plate which is 8V. Or a splitter if it needs 12N.
@@aNELeOnwuka hi, great video! I know that people complain about the plates in the 12volt port because of one reason: that port require a minimum of 10.8 volt, and NP-F970 batteries cannot supply that minimum after being used for the 50-60%. That's why the camera turn off but you can see that they're still around 40% of their power capacity.. How did you solve this thing? It's because your plate convert the voltage maybe? Anyway, would you please tell me precisely the name of the brand and the model of the plate and the cable? Or can you write me a link where I can find it? The one you put in the description doesn't work anymore. Thanks again! P.s. I've read that it's better to do NOT leave the inside battery while using this system. Is this true or you can leave it as a "safety battery"? Is there any way to equally check the battery level whit the wipu?
@@pierpaolodemejo933 Thanks man, glad you liked the video. First things first - MANY NP-F plates have both a 12V port and 8V port; the plates do step the battery voltage upto 12V so they are perfectly fine to use with BMPCC cameras. The cameras do not utlise the whole battery power when going thru a 'dummy' battery - the same place a normal battery is put - that has nothing at all to do with the 12V port. I have always used Andoer plates and presently I am using the new plates, they are brilliant because they have an ON/OFF switch (if you are going to have a battery IN the camera when using a plate I would suggest you ALWAYS start with a FULLY charged battery ) The NP-F plates I use - www.aliexpress.com/item/4001224208266.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.51e038daZ2LQQr&mp=1
@@aNELeOnwuka many many thanks! I have another question. If I use the internal battery (full charged, as you said) + the external battery connected with the weipu, is it possibile to check the levels of each battery? Or, at least, how can I now when the camera starts using the internal battery? I'm asking this because during your test I saw the weipu plat started the red light around 2 hours and 20, but the battery lasted for 4 hours
@@pierpaolodemejo933 Hi, here's the thing using 2 batteries - internal and external - the camera will use the External battery FIRST... then the internal LP-E6 will take over BUT immediately swap the external for a fresh battery and you can continue doing that for a loooong time. The fully charged Internal battery is only being used by the camera when swapping. That's how to do it. The reason you also want to start with a fully chrged internal battery is so the external doesn't have to 'charge' the internal a lot. Hopefully you understand what I'm saying.
I found this out myself today with a smallrig npf battery plate and dummy lp-e6 from the 7.4V socket to my canon cameras. when the camera says 0% battery and the plate cuts off, the same battery actually has more than a third of its runtime left when i use it on my external monitor. strange behaviour. i would recon the 12V outlets differ in the way they are regulated. since they have transform the lower battery voltage to 12V either way, they do this until the battery is almost empty. the lower voltage lp-e6 dummy on the other hand just passes the battery voltage through unaltered, which leads to premature shutoff.
Thank you for your extremely informative video , as well as your effort. It resolves a thousand questions over BLACKMAGIC Pocket 4K/6K powering system.
Exceptional effort.
Thank you so much!!
so as your camera is running through the Weipu, battery supply voltage starts to drop as the battery is drained. The duration of when the voltage drop too low for the transistors to fully switch cause excessive heat, eventual turning your transistors into resistors, shutting down the camera, eventually damaging the transistors.
The Battery Compartment has circuit protection apparently, shutting down when it see Low Voltage, saving the camera from heat, but leaving 40% battery with unused charged.
Battery slot takes between: 6.2v - 10v
External Input (Weipu) between: 10.8v - 20v
So basically don't use the Weipu if you don't have a way to monitor your battery voltage as it drops, below 10.8v using the Weipu is cooking your camera even tho it is running longer.
Very interesting theory but I'm not sure that's what's happening here. The thing is the Weipu ends at around 11.4V and no heat is being produced and definitely no excessive heat. For the tests I ran it without a battery in the compartment, however, in normal use there is always a charged LPE6 inserted. Still very, very happy with the results. Cheers.
Hey! thanks for going through the trouble of recording this, very helpful. I went with the Weipu option with my BMPCC because having the small NPF battery acts as a backup in case my external power goes out. BUT it's good to know that I am potentially getting the most of the battery through the Weipu option!
You're welcome! And thanks for watching.
I'm loving your videos. Greetings from Spain
Thank you from London and it is sunny today!!!
@@aNELeOnwuka sunny London? . We're living strange times! Lol
Enjoy!
@@alex-bohorquez-jimenez Hahahaha I spoke too soon.... 1hr later and the clouds are here.
@@aNELeOnwuka Murphy's back.
@@alex-bohorquez-jimenez Lol... with a vengeance! ;)
Thanks for shooting that! Great test
You're very welcome man. It opened my eyes.
aNELeOnwuka time for me to stop using a dummy battery
Ross Adams That’s what I’ve done now.
Perfect Video, thanks a lot!
You are very welcome. Thanks.
Massive thanks for this!
You're welcome. Oh guess what? It's the same horrible result using the DC out port directly from the battery.
Tnx man, great test. I was always think that dummy is better.
Yeah I always thought that too until I tested. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for the tip! Amazing test!
Thanks. You're welcome.
Very useful information! I’m def getting the NPF plate with the Weipu connection
Thank you. Yeah, it's amazing this way!
@@aNELeOnwuka Definitely the cheapest way to get more power. How long would you say it’ll last if your recoding 4K DCI?
@@cj64films You should get around 4hrs... at least 3.5hrs. There is not much recording time difference between the resolutions. Temperature is a factor... I was sent some new batteries to test and both did 4 and a half hrs - these Baxxtars and the news ones sent. Making a video soon.
@@aNELeOnwuka Sick! Good to know. This is a really good alternative to V-mount
Extremely helpful! You should get more credits !
Thank you very much, I'm glad you found it to be useful.
Very nice video bro 🎥🔥
Thank you very much.
Great video! I have a bmpcc 4k and I was looking for a way to power it without using V mount. I honestly thought that the dummy battery was the way to go. I thought that powering the camera through weipu with an Npf battery would damage the camera or the battery because of the voltage.
So glad you found it to be useful. I have used dummies from day one... I thought converting from 7.4 to 12V would result in less juice in the battery.
You need to use a proper plate that converts the power output.
Thanks for posting this test. Just curious, did you have an LPE6 in the chamber of the Weipu camera or was it empty? Cheers.
You're welcome. I don't run any power tests with an LP-E6 in the chamber... I did that once a loooong time ago with the original Pocket which was a false result. Did learn my lesson then ;)
I would have a battery in the camera for a very specific reason: for example - I did some tests on running the Pocket cams from Power Banks and wanted to push the Amps - so I inserted a completely DEAD LP-6E into the chamber so the power bank was running the camera, lens stabilisation, SSD and charging up a dead battery. Might make that video one day; I run power banks a lot now.
@@aNELeOnwuka Great! Was planning on getting the dummy battery cable until I came across this video. Thanks again.
@@DeronStJohn You're welcome. Don't know where you are located but these can also be found on eBay and Amazon (check it's the BMPCC version). The ON/OFF switch is just great, they are the ones I use now - www.aliexpress.com/item/4001238478149.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.ec713c007XeiFp&mp=1
Thanks mate. I was thinking how long I can power my BMPCC6k via this plate. And seems I would be able to do it for 2.5h with Ninja V (same battery) and 4h without it. Nice.
You're welcome. If you don't already have a plate I recommend these as they have an ON'OFF button.
www.aliexpress.com/item/4001238478149.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.74353c00cPYMVP&mp=1
Hi. So do you leave the battery inside when using the weipu? I use the 6k pro and using npf and small rig plate, the camera is heating up and also the voltage fluctuates.
I do not leave a battery inside. If you are going to do that then make sure each time it is a FULLY charged battery or you'll be asking the NPF to power the camera AND charge the battery at the same time. Also the Smallrig one are just bad - I'd get a different plate if I were you - (Ignore the 'dummy' you're only getting this for the plate. These are absolutely awesome especially as they have a super useful ON/OFF button. Have always used Andoer from way back BMPCC OG days... upgraded to these as soon as they came out - www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004776173628.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.7dde38daw2Z0dt&mp=1
Also on my camera when i power through Weipu it bumps mine up to 15.1V
Cool. Mine went up to 12.9 sometimes.
Great Video! I was using the dummy battery because of it's lower power pull indication. I have a question what media were you recording on because I am recording on? By the look on the screen indicator I am assuming you are using CFast. My question is because the power pull is different if you are using an SSD. Have you tried, with similar results using and SSD. Thank you for taking the time to help spreading the information.
Hiya, thanks a lot. Glad you liked the video. You do raise a good question.
I am actually not recording to Cfast 2.0 but to Sandisk SSDs, albeit, with a CFast to SSD adapter shown in a previous video of mine (link added).
I doubt the difference will be that much using Cfast as SSDs do draw more power (again I have no proof of this but most will guess so).
Even when I was using USBC SSDs and a dummy there would still always be a lot of juice left in the battery.
The adapter video - ua-cam.com/video/4LoCY9-07I8/v-deo.html
Thank you for this super helpful video :) i have a question, When you power from weipu does you put the LP-E6 battery inside the camera ? Or without the battery ?
Felix Egbert Hi. I did the tests without a battery in the compartment simply because I wanted to show just the difference.
I did also run it with a FULLY CHARGED LP-E6... it will go from 12V to 11. something then to 7.something as soon as it switches to the LP. You can immediately swap the NPF for a full one and it jumps back to 12+ for continuous power. I will be using them with a battery inserted. Cheers.
@@aNELeOnwuka Okay got it, Thank you for full explanation your video have been very helpful!, Subscribe to your channel.
@@ebird423 Thank you very much.
@@aNELeOnwuka ... i wouldnt put a battery in it if running from weipu .... can cause damage
@@freejay3 Yeah BM states that. I did that test once to see the voltage and then decided never to have a battery in it... weird jump.
My earlier comment has CHANGED... I will NOT be keeping a battery in the compartment!
So the results are that powering through Weipu is better??? Thats the take away here right?
Yes absolutely. I used to use dummy all the time... now switched to Weipu.
I got a similar result on 18650 batteries.
Cool, I would guess so. Irrwspective of battery type the dummy just doesn't use it all up.
NP-Fs are also a bunch of 18650s in a plastic container.
What output voltage from the npf plate to dummy battery lpe6? Is it 7.4v or 12v?
Different for different plates - 7.4, 8.0V but NEVER 12V to dummy.
@@aNELeOnwuka ok. Many thanks!
What card did you use for storage?
@ 3:16 I mention 1TB SSD - the exact Cfast to SSD adapter here - ua-cam.com/video/4LoCY9-07I8/v-deo.htmlsi=y2x_R7-N5d6PeOgj
Also different media run times here - ua-cam.com/video/ovf_oFxtWpg/v-deo.htmlsi=Jh-7HTfMs0P6Wbhe
Thank you for this!
Which port would you recommend to use with a V-mount? The V-mount battery outputs 14.8 volts.
I just want to get the longest running time from my batteries (6K)
I would still use the Weipu port!
Hi, I got the tilta plate, my 790 npf only last me 50 minutes, and with the 550 npf just 12minutes. Then there is a strange electric noise and the camera turn off. If i put and lpe-6 battery inside the camera the noise is really loud , when i try to record something the noise intensify so i just turn it all off. I´m looking all over internet and nobody has the same problem. Maybe i got a really bad copy. I´m going to buy a pencil microphone that need phantom power (it can´t run only on the canon lpe); thats why I’m thinking on buying the andoer plate that you recomend. Did this ever happen to you? Great video by the way i really would love to know your thoughts.
Hiya, yeah the Tilta and Smallrig plates seem not to be very good - in the 'Groups' there are so many problems posted about them. Could be because they are all metal. Have never had that issue and I've used Andoer plates right from the OG Pocket days.
It is also a good idea to use 'external' power sources WITHOUT a battery in the compartment.
The pencil mic can probably be run from the 2nd DC port on the plate which is 8V. Or a splitter if it needs 12N.
@@aNELeOnwuka hi, great video! I know that people complain about the plates in the 12volt port because of one reason: that port require a minimum of 10.8 volt, and NP-F970 batteries cannot supply that minimum after being used for the 50-60%. That's why the camera turn off but you can see that they're still around 40% of their power capacity.. How did you solve this thing? It's because your plate convert the voltage maybe?
Anyway, would you please tell me precisely the name of the brand and the model of the plate and the cable? Or can you write me a link where I can find it? The one you put in the description doesn't work anymore. Thanks again!
P.s. I've read that it's better to do NOT leave the inside battery while using this system. Is this true or you can leave it as a "safety battery"? Is there any way to equally check the battery level whit the wipu?
@@pierpaolodemejo933 Thanks man, glad you liked the video. First things first - MANY NP-F plates have both a 12V port and 8V port; the plates do step the battery voltage upto 12V so they are perfectly fine to use with BMPCC cameras.
The cameras do not utlise the whole battery power when going thru a 'dummy' battery - the same place a normal battery is put - that has nothing at all to do with the 12V port.
I have always used Andoer plates and presently I am using the new plates, they are brilliant because they have an ON/OFF switch (if you are going to have a battery IN the camera when using a plate I would suggest you ALWAYS start with a FULLY charged battery )
The NP-F plates I use - www.aliexpress.com/item/4001224208266.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.51e038daZ2LQQr&mp=1
@@aNELeOnwuka many many thanks! I have another question. If I use the internal battery (full charged, as you said) + the external battery connected with the weipu, is it possibile to check the levels of each battery? Or, at least, how can I now when the camera starts using the internal battery?
I'm asking this because during your test I saw the weipu plat started the red light around 2 hours and 20, but the battery lasted for 4 hours
@@pierpaolodemejo933 Hi, here's the thing using 2 batteries - internal and external - the camera will use the External battery FIRST... then the internal LP-E6 will take over BUT immediately swap the external for a fresh battery and you can continue doing that for a loooong time. The fully charged Internal battery is only being used by the camera when swapping. That's how to do it.
The reason you also want to start with a fully chrged internal battery is so the external doesn't have to 'charge' the internal a lot. Hopefully you understand what I'm saying.
I found this out myself today with a smallrig npf battery plate and dummy lp-e6 from the 7.4V socket to my canon cameras. when the camera says 0% battery and the plate cuts off, the same battery actually has more than a third of its runtime left when i use it on my external monitor. strange behaviour.
i would recon the 12V outlets differ in the way they are regulated. since they have transform the lower battery voltage to 12V either way, they do this until the battery is almost empty. the lower voltage lp-e6 dummy on the other hand just passes the battery voltage through unaltered, which leads to premature shutoff.
Thanks, no dummy rule is official
You're welcome. It definitely is now!