How to get AMAZING Gyro Image Stabilization with Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Cameras | Pro Tips + Tests
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2022
- In this video, Dominic runs through the new Gyro Image Stabilization for Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Cameras. He breaks down the technique, how it can be used, and tips on how to improve results.
Dominic also compares this to the original stabilizer inside Davinci Resolve.
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Oh my god this is unreal. They just keep taking care of their customers long after we bought the camera. No gimmicks like “YOU MUST BUY A NEW CAMERA FOR THE NEW UPDATES!” Just free software updates
Oh this is the best video about this so far.
None of the other videos mentioned anything about sensor calibration, or setting your focal length manually with a manual focus lense. Its been an absolute hassle trying to find information about it.
I do agree moving up your shutter speed will produce much nicer looking results (after motionblur correction) but the caveat is you will need to be very careful with screens / non-video lights / and indoor lighting of any kind - 75 or 90 degree with 24/25fps causes mad flicker, around 108 degree with 30fps seemed to work on my tv. Any higher fps like 50+ will not work at all, mad flicker on any angle so it makes it a non-option for a lot of indoor scenarios or screen driven event work or the industry I'm in particularly (esports/gaming).
But for controlled lighting scenarios and outdoor this is a nice tool to have.
Well it's only been a day...
You can still use 150 shutter angle or even 180 if you walk carefully and slowly
DeFlicker is an amazing tool for completely removing any banding or flicker
@@T1Media.ireland I appreciate the suggestion but in line with professional work this work-around is never guaranteed (and I have never had success with any flicker workarounds personally with my line of work) and it's not worth potentially having unusable footage - better to capture it right first in camera.
for your esports work do you find you need to stabilize your footage a lot? i figure you'll either have a steadicam or be on sticks most of the time??
You sir deserves all of the likes. You actually went in and showed us how to us it and even showed examples. My life completely changed because of you! Thanks a lot!
your life?
Amazing what you get with Blackmagic! Hidden features that just totally change the game. Thanks for taking the time to do this. It's really informative.
Thank you ! As a BMPCC 6K owner , I was helped by quite a few of your suggestions…. Making this upgrade a much bigger deal than most realize !
BEST STABILISATION VIDEO ON UA-cam. Beautiful footage. I also lliked many of the original shots. Lit and colour corrected perfectly
Thanks! That was just Gen 5 to extended video lut!
Wow! How incredible is to be surprised every time when blackmagic updates it’s software!!! Thanks for the video!!!
Thank you for performing the tests. Way cool. Liked and subbed !
dam. ive been waiting for this for a long time. the results are just amazing, I had no idea this was available. Im good with my ninja walks and I always shoot with fast shutter on hand held anyway, to avoid seeing the "scarecrow effect" of motion blur after stabilizing. the vector based motion blur in fusion does a hell of a job. I always use it when im working on green screen to get my blur back after keying. and shooting in 6K should give enough room for the crop. I remember when I bought my 6Kpro and some were like "what a waste, we dont even have 6k TVs yet".. anyway, this totally rocks and I cant wait to try this out tomorrow. I think it looks AMAZING. and yes, for comping it would be great to have that data. Even if just for an assistant. Camera tracking is already so good in fusion it wouldn't take much to give it some help. have a great week.
Great video! We needed this!
bruh i just bought a steadicam to fix the stabilization issues with black magic. Thank god for your video. you just saved my ass. i can still return it. you are my hero right now
Gyro looks so dang on good - I'm so impressed - wow. I can't wait to try it out
Made my day! Thanks a lot for this great comparisson!!
The results are incredible. Great video!
Thank you so much for this video. By far the best and more deeply video I have seen about the new firmware.
Great video! Thank you for these tests.
Thanks again for the video Gimble Productions.
I've been obsessing for a while trying to get lens choice sorted and trying to get image stabilisation lenses that function acceptably to me combined with gimbal.
But now, with this game-changing update, I'll be going back to the land of manual cinema glass / vintage lenses and employing the gyro stabilisation which I think will get better and better as Resolve is worked on. We shall see...
This seems massively useful. Sony [presumably] has the same thing on their newer cameras, but it only "works" in Sony Catalyst, so you have to 'prep' the footage first (AFAIK). Blackmagic needs to get on the autofocus game now. :)
If they did this I beleive their cameras would be the best hands down.
They won’t
Thats a no no for a real cinema camera, if they do so it would be just a pocket camera thou
He's also amongst to the few to adjust the shutter angle. It should be 90 degrees even lower --45 degrees to when running. Lowering the shutter angle gets rid of the micro-jitters caused by motion blur.
Fantastic job!
Wow. This is pretty amazing. Gyro stabilization isn't a solution for everything, but if you can use high frame rates this may have just saved you the cost of a new gimbal.
Thanks for the footage and for the video. They listen indeed!
I love this new feature!!
This is fantastic!
Amazing, such a great news!
This is amazing!
Wow this is game changing.
Man that is EXACTLY how this kind of demo video should be done! You nailed it sir. Thank you 🫡
Incredible. thanks!
Big thank you for this very informative tutorial!
Wow! My first Super Thanks! You are a champion, thank you so much!
@@GimbleProductions You are welcome 😊. Keep up your great work 👍
Thank you so much: talk about a game changer!
Excellent examples! What would also be of help now is a step by step walk through of both camera settings and steps in Resolve. (I know you touched on the camera settings some, but a complete step by step from camera set up to editing would be of help.). Great work!
agreed
Game changing feature. I fly fpv drones and I use black magic cameras sometimes, I also shoot underwater and the gyro stabilization come super handy I just hope they let you use the gyro data to stabilize using third party software like gyroflow
i did very much enjoyed that "run through" XD
Yes, this is the best video on this subject by far. Everyone else just went in and stabilized without taking shutter into account.
I haven’t seen anyone else mention the lens data either - it was confirmed today that if no lens info is inputted, the lens is assumed to be 18mm! Thankfully my video might help some people out! Thanks for the comment ! 🥰
@@GimbleProductions wow, cool. So the lens data is important. and I'm with you on BM allowing us to use the gyro info to cut camera tracking out of the pipeline. That would be amazing. How do we make that happen?
@@SereneBobcat The biggest issue I find with 3D footage camera tracking is things like like lens flares, objects obstructing the camera, moving elements inside the footage like actors can cause problems. I tried 3D camera tracking scenes with swaying trees and it was causing errors. The camera doesn’t record movement information as far as I know, so I think the 3D camera tracking would be good for getting a movement analysis and then have the gyro data provide another layer of information of the cameras movements.
I’m not a programmer or am I sure if that’s even possible, but I do think having the actual data of camera rotations and orientations would provide much cleaner information! The Blackmagic Raw SDK has gyro data inside it now so it’s up to third parties to develop solutions
@@GimbleProductions I thought it might be - I took a manual 135mm out to try, but didn't enter data (just to see how far it could be pushed, and would be obvious if it wasn't seeing it)
It didn't do anything I could see when stabilised - although you can enter lens metadata in Resolve's media tab, it didn't seem to make a difference, so I guess it just ignores anything there - it would be useful if you could enter it manually
@@GimbleProductions yeah, I see it more of an assist - I've tracked shots for sky replacement, and if there's not much detail going on when there's a lot of sky, it's tricky - having rotation data for that I think should help
I've not read about anyone using it on high end VFX where you think it might get tried first - RED cameras can have gyro data apparently - maybe it's been tried and doesn't help?
Best examples on the internet as of this post. Thank you for posting this.
Absolute game changer! Use it on all my projects now, just have to take into account using a higher shutter speed and crop and it’s all good!
@@GimbleProductions This is the one feature that drives me nuts when I see other reviews reporting lack of stabilization as a "con" for the current generation BM cams. It's like they completely missed the whole boon that this technology gives! Learn to use it!
Thats awesome!
Great video
oh maaaan i CANNOT wait to try this!! i wonder if they will be any focal length translation problems using a speedbooster etc
Best BMPCC 6K gyro test I seen on web. Plus very pleasing estetic. Makes it very enjoyabe to watch! Congrats :) Is there any reason you use 75 over 90 shutter angle? I had with both good results.
The less motion blur the better probably. So the corrected frame is as clean as possible without smearing from motion blur after the motion got corrected.
Awesome!!...i guess leaving more head room or backing up a little bit will make the cropping better
Amazing. Gyro gets rid of that background warping you get with the standard stabilizers.
TNice tutorials was super helpful, dude! I got the tutorial version of soft soft just to get a taste, and after figuring it out I decided to purchase the
Awesome video dude! I love what BMD have done but it's a shame the shutter angle has to be so low. I get why technically, but its a shame. I always shoot at a 180 shutter angle so it seems like I won't really be able to take full advantage of this!
Wow it really works!
Absolutely crazy
just wow!
This is amazing. Is this feature available for the G2s?
amazing
I really enjoyed watching it. It's a great comparative analysis video. And, Can you tell me the music that's playing in the video? I think it's great to listen to on a rainy day.
OMG IM GETTING THIS!!!
I like Zac Aries saying: Fix it in prep. But having tools like this at our disposal is just as great when you need it to fix something, rather than solely relying on it to fix everything.
I feel the same way, it has its pros and cons that you’d have to overcome - best to be aware of what works best if that’s the go
the thing is, this actually IS fixing it in prep. this is technically the same as shooting with a gimble in most respects. many many things we do in post are already preplanned and we have the tools so why not. This technique isnt to fix problems we couldn't do right in the first place,. its to give us freedom to just get the shot.
This is definitely the best video on the new gyro stabilization feature!
One note though regarding the point you made about BM providing positional data for 3D artists and for better stabilization - I am 99% sure that the gyro in these cameras is just a gyro (3dof) which is orientation data only. They likely do not have a gyro+accelerometer (6dof) which would provide orientation, acceleration, and deceleration data. By way of combining those two, you could derive positional data with the anchor point being the point at which the recording started. But alas, I find it extremely unlikely that the BM cameras carry that second vital sensor to yield such data.
Hopefully that all makes sense! Again, fantastic comparison!
Yeah I kind of imagined that was the case - there is nothing inside the camera to record movement data, just x,y orientation coordinates. I read somewhere the original ursas had gps inside but I may be mistaken. However, if it could somehow pair the gyro data with 3D camera-footage tracking could make for higher quality matchmoving compared to just 3D camera tracking alone :)
@@GimbleProductions Technically you *can* combine a 3D tracker with then gyro and improve the quality of your track. It’s just that the way of doing it is to apply your gyro stabilization, “print” it by rendering in place, and then applying your 3D track. Less small abrupt movements in the footage will always make for a better track!
Another point on the GPS modules providing data - GPS (even ultra accurate RTK GPS) wouldn’t be useful when it comes to tracking subtle camera movement, it’s just too coarse of data set to provide any improvement.
Thanks for the simulating conversation! Always fun to nerd out. :)
@@genesis344 wouldn't it also be useful for when positional data isn't going to make a difference - say you're doing a sky/distant background replacement, you're not going to be moving around enough for position to contribute to the track much?
Also on a tripod shot, if you knew the offset - would it still work for that?
I'm definitely interested if it can be used in any way for tracking
I hope they also give this update for the Ursa Mini Pro G2. That would be a total game changer for me.
I'm 99% certain that they also have gyro sensors inside them as well, guess its a matter of time!
FYI the gyro motion data is already available via our Blackmagic RAW SDK for 3rd party developers. The documentation wasn't ready for the 2.5 update but the API interfaces to get the data are there (and is what Resolve is using), we will have documentation in our 2.6 release coming shortly.
I'm not a developer, but just wanted to say thanks for adding this in - it's appreciated
Sweet! Thanks for the update - I’m not too familiar with coding or SDK’s so that is all a bit foreign to me, but I’m sure someone will definitely have positive reactions to that!
Looks amazing!!!! Is it as good as the Catalyst Browse Stabilization of Sony? With a few firmware updates catalyst browse is almost as good as a Gimbal, you just need to live with the slight crop and a higher shutter speed though
Thanks for those tests!
I wonder if BM will make possible in the future to use old gyro data before the 7.9 update.
That would be awesome. I’m mean why not? The data is there!
In my understanding, they were throwing that data away before. So MAYBE it's impossible to recover :(
No kristian lam told that before 7.9 are never recorded on braw that data.
gran video
This is amazing, thanks for the info!
Do you know if the metadata is saved in both pro res and raw files? Thanks!
Hmm I've heard people not having prores files work but I have not tried myself!
Great video and impressive results! I recently purchased a 6k G2, one of the selling points being the advantages of gyro stabilization. I am not achieving results on par with your video however. I have done all the tips in this video like entering lens focal length manually and increasing shutter speed to minimize motion blur. The thing that made the most difference was increasing frame rate from 24 to 60, however the stabilized video still bobs up and down while walking. I have been working on my smooth heel to toe walk, but you've got a clip where you're running and it still ends up super smooth?! I've noticed the best results using gyro stabilization seem to occur when paired with the sigma 18-35mm lens, could there be some connection? Do settings like resolution or constant bitrate vs constant quality make any difference? I'm new to black magic cameras and Davinci Resolve so quite possible I'm missing something basic. Would love to get results like yours!
Do you other lens have contacts that tell the camera f stop and focal length?
Big question is can I now use the braw gyro data in gyroflow for my cinelifter
This is trully Magic!!!!
Blackmagic!
I haven't found anyone talking about the autofocus performance improvements. Have you noticed anything significant with this update?
holy crap that is a huge difference.
Yes yes yes yes!
hence on here a month later. thanks for making feel normal again.
interested in your grading process especially the indoor shots, no noticeable grain in the underexposed areas, did you use NR? Thanks
I'd also like to know more about the motion blur effect to counteract the high shutter speed problem. I don't want soap opera effect in my footage!
Cool one dude 👏🏾
How often do you have to "Calibrate Motion Sensor" for a whole days shoot (while using different lens)
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That’s a good question! I’m not too sure, I’d say just once before a shoot should be okay - it’s more a precautionary thing than anything else, the calibration might be moreso for the on screen horizon level meter but better safe than sorry!
@@GimbleProductions piggybacking on this question, do you need to program the lens for every shot? I mean if youre on the signs and slide up 10 mm, you need to then go into the settings are re adjust?
@@flipnap2112 If you’re using a electronic lens, lens focal length when zooming is often communicated - if you zoom with a electronic lens, the BRAW *probably* has this zoom information and will be accounted for with gyro.
If using a fully manual lens, you’re best sticking with one focal length and not zooming
@@GimbleProductions ok cool. sorry I typed that too fast. I didnt mean "signs" I meant "sigma" ha ha. I have the manual sigma you had.. (I think). yeah that all makes sense. if I'm adjusting zoom manually the camera has no way of knowing. still not a bad tradeoff AT ALL. man im stoked, thanks bro
Hey I have the BMPC4K and I cannot find the lens’s section, is this an option on the 4k model? I have a manual Loawa 7.5 MFT lens and I’m hoping if I update the lens profile I’ll get decent results, at the moment they are really bad even with a motion sensor calibration, any help would be appreciated!
Damn! You have a very cool voice.
I bought soft soft today!
thanks for the effort of making this, subscribed !
im new to this update, if I mind to know the calculation of shutter angle :
1. why would we need to make it higher ?
2. and why would you put the shutter angle on 75 ? why not 180 ? what’s the differences between those ?
thanks in advance !
I was gonna ask these *exact* same questions.
Waiting for this answer too
180 gives natural motion blur when the camera is shaken or moved, when this footage is stabilized, the frame is good but the video has the motion blur baked in.
So to minimise this issue you should use a higher shutter speed/low shutter angle, in this case 75.
This does make the video look choppy and won't have natural blur to it but it gives better results for stabilization.
Man the stabilisation looks great, but these shots are incredible.
thats BMPCC for you. Ive been through a LOT of cameras in my time. The first time I reviewed my footage in post I remember just sitting there with my laptop in my bed at 2 am.. just staring at the footage.. and paired with that sigma lens.. theres a reason every single owner of a 6Kpro uses that lens. its a match made in heaven. I still after all this time cant believe the imagery that comes out of this camera. with all its shortcomings I could care less. its like butter on breakfast toast
@@flipnap2112 it certainly is a marvellous camera. I can’t quite explain it either, there’s just something about the image. I got mine earlier this year and the results surprise me each time.
The scenes in this video have been shot super tastefully as well. The sunset-backlit look is working wonderfully here.
@@priyaanshu6391 oh absolutely. I didnt mean to detract from the cinematography choices. really nice looking work. some people just have the gift
Hey got a task for you, use the Gyro stabilizer then nest the clip or export it then re-import and stabilize it with similar or another option and see if that improves anything much.
I’ll try! Will report back
Game changer! Are any other cameras on the market using feature similar to this? I know GoPro is with reel steady, but is Sony or cannon on this train too? So happy I picked up a 6k pro
Sony do on a few of their cameras - they have a standalone software called Catalyst which does something similar
There's also a bit of software called Gyroflow which can use GoPros or other external devices with gyroscopes to stabilise separate sequences, but it means recording video on two devices, and running it through Gyroflow
I haven't heard of any for Canon
Hi, Your original unstabilized footage has much less rolling shutter jello than I am getting out of my Bmpcc6k g2. What resolution are you shooting at? Thanks
Can you use 24fps when in 75 degree shutter?
I have a BMCC4K and I do not see the "lens setting" screen option with the 7.9 firmware installed.
Thank you Dom very cool. Gimble to 1k
It's Hayden
1K Pizza Party is the goal
@@GimbleProductions 1k hit time to party
just a simple question......I wanna do a rap what should I focus the most on when I wanna edit or make a good soft?i would love to
Wish they made it so that we can see the stabilization while we are filming instead of in post.
One of the best gyro stabilization videos right now. what do you think causes the artifacts like this at 2:37 ? Even though you have 75 shutter there looks like it has motion blur artifacts. Is it software related and something that will improve as they develop? Besides that one clip all the other shots look amazing. Also, how reliable do you think this post stabilization is? Can it be used in every shot or is there a success rate of what will work or not
Compared to the original clip, there was quite heavy handheld shakey movements - it did do a good job to stabilise the shot, but I think you can notice Visual distortions in finer details a bit more, especially contrasted against an opposite colour, like the tree branches against the white sky or the powerlines against the black hills. I reckon that should would clean up really nice with an even higher shutter speed. Definitely not software related, it’s just how the footage is! a higher shutter would get rid of that I’m sure
yeah its shutter speed. I lovingly refer to it as "the scarecrow effect".. remember in batman when scarecrow blew the powder into someone face and the background did that.. im going to try shooting very high shutter and push this whole thing to the limit and see what I can get away with .. although rolling shutter may be another thing to contend with
for each track/instrunt?
What does gyroscope perspective means ?
I'm curious about how the gyro-data is embedded into the video files in the BMD cameras. If we knew, maybe we could create a script that embeds synced gyro data from external loggers into the footage from non-BMD cameras, and use the stabilisation in Davinci Resolve with other cameras as well 🤔
It's a metdata that is inserted into every frame with a delta of acceleration and azimuth. I'm also trying to find a way of extracting it. Would be cool to see how it works
Excellent video test! Thank you!!
Quick hint if it helps, Keep image stabilisation OFF. Tried with a Panasonic Leica 12-60 f2.8 - f4 and image stabilisation ON makes the Gyro stabilisation look really awkward in Resolve. With O.I.S. OFF it looks great with the Gyro stabilisation.
On another note, I can't see a noticeable difference between Gyro stabilised shot with lens info filled in and shot with it not filled in on my manual Voigtlander 25mm 0.95 lens.
Thanks for the tip.
I was unable to use the camera gyro with my Panasonic 12-35mm with OIS on or off. The camera gyro option was not available in the Inspector. Interesting that the 12-60 worked for you.
@@curlyhead4545 May I ask, have you updated the BMPCC 4K/6K camera firmware to 7.9 and the Davinci Resolve Software version to 18.0 Public Beta 5?
@@curlyhead4545 I try both 12-35mm and 14-42, unable to use gyro too @ bmpcc 4k + 18.0 beta5. sigma 18-35 works but the result is not good
@@timrober75 Yes I have updated both. Others on the BMD forum have expressed the same issue with that lens. I do see the gyro data on a Voightlander manual lens.
Myanmar dia Light Nice tutorial, wNice tutorialch soft soft did you buy? I’ve been wanting to buy one for a wNice tutorialle as well
The Camera Gyro, option isnt showing up for me. Is this only an option on the Davinci 18?
Excellent video. I am running firmware 7.9 in my bmpcc 6k and the latest Resolve Studio build 30. I calibrated the motion sensor, when I imported the clip in Resolve I don’t see any option for Gyro camera in the drop down menu of Stabilise, which is puzzling.
Perhaps you used a lens with stabilisation, you need to turn off lens stabilisation first as it supposedly overruns the camera gyro data and makes it inaccessible. I’ve heard as well Prores doesn’t record gyro data, so you need to shoot BRAW. Have you got the beta of resolve?
@@GimbleProductions Thanks so much for your advice. Problem solved. I have the studio version, and I shoot in BRAW. Thanks again for your help.
Wowwww just wowwww selling my Gimbal tomorrow lol
Thank you for the excellent video.
I have a question regarding the content at the 5 minute and 40 second mark in the video.
I use the Sony A1 and stabilize the images with Catalyst Browser.
As you mentioned, I understand that a high shutter speed is necessary to achieve good results. However, as you pointed out, using a high shutter speed causes the video to exceed the usual 180-degree shutter angle, making it feel unnatural.
Is this why you apply the Pixel Motion Blur effect to mitigate this issue?
If so, I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide some general guidance on how this can be done.
Thank you for your comment and your compliment!
You are correct! I use a high shutter speed but that makes footage appear choppy. To counteract this, you can add a Motion Blur amount in the colour page in Davinci Resolve OR apply a Pixel Motion Blur effect in Adobe.
Pixel Motion Blur in After Effects is pretty good as it lets you set a desired shutter angle! You can simply put 180 as the value and voila! Resolve requires you to somewhat guess the value, but with reference footage, you can set the value to your liking
@@GimbleProductions Thank you very much for your quick and detailed comment! You gave me a clear answer to something I had been wondering about for the past few days.
Why does the GMS tNice tutorialng doesn't soft sa way like it did in the video?
Would love to see 50mm or 85mm portrait shooting standing still. Or even 135. Can it hold a still shot at 135 without any walking. Just hold it steady? Thanks!
I tried a Tamron 135 and yes it can smooth it, not walking around - it's not perfectly still, but way better than without.
One note is that I had to enter the lens data on the camera (you can do that if you swipe left on the screen), without that, it didn't really work (looking at newer comments, it defaults to 18mm, so was probably just not stabilising nearly enough)
How do you add the pixel motion blur and what are your settings for it?
In Adobe, you can add an effect called 'Pixel Motion Blur' and set it to 180 degree shutter angle - on Resolve, I've found changing motion blur size to small and amount to 25-30 is a close approximation of 180, but it depends on what your recording used so you kind of have to see what looks visually closest to your desired look
We all gonna need wider lenses for this innovation.
I just finished my last project and updated. All I get is crazy warping and terrible stabilisation. It must be something with the settings, but I'll be damned if I can figure out which ones. I tried a static standing and holding the camera as a test and it looks WAY better without the stabilisation.
wow
My bmpcc camera to my action cam: I’m the Gopro now
In the GMS switch the “Program” to Analog app 1 TE
I’m a bit confused as to what you mean?
what about frame rate? 24P?