judges can ask thejury if they have a verdict on any of the counts or If it’s an impasse on all counts. But Cannone didn’t. Other judges do. It would’ve saved the state more expenses of retrying this case. Saving taxpayers money.
@@Sunnies-8kd But in the end there were no completed jury slips. It was only here say after the fact once court was dismissed. The defense did not speak up and accepted the mistrial as a victory.
@@Michbeachlover yes you’re correct that’s why the prosecution and the defense argue on form vs substance. Form meaning not filling out the jury slip and substance meaning the unanimous not guilty verdict on counts 1&3 accdg to the 4 jurors who contacted the defense attys. Protecting the defendant against double jeopardy.
@@Michbeachloverall she had to do is ask, "were you able to come to a verdict on any of the counts?". With the votes being unanimous, polling would be pointless anyways. She simply didn't ask. And now the jurors felt the need to reach out to counsel unprovoked to let them know where they stood during deliberations and how surprised they were that they weren't questioned about each individual count. They feel their time was wasted and so will another jury's. If they were to come to a guilty on any count, KR would have been sentenced on said count. But since no one but the jurors know if they came to a unanimous not guilty decision, double jeopardy is at stake. And with due process presuming innocence until found guilty, that is just wrong to retry all charges if instructions were not clear.
@@Boston40Cal That’s not how it works. They have to be unanimous on all charges in order to give their verdict. Have you ever seen a trial where the jury says we agree on this, but not that? Have you ever seen a judge say we’ll drop this charge, but not that one? That’s not how it works. The judge is NOT required to poll the jury and you can’t have a do-over because some jurors say something after the fact. Look at the precedent that would set! All it comes down to is no verdict was finalized and these jurors were far from uninformed and stupid. Look at the intelligence of the notes they sent!
@@LisaLynnTx Judge Cannone has been promoted since the mistrial and now will oversee the new case in January or April. FKR followed just don't like her. She allowed Jackson to have a not guilty on the juror slips which has never been in MA. She was very fair and played by the law.
@@Michbeachlover You wrote, “she was very fair & played by the law”…. I assure you that you’re in the minority in believing she was fair in the KR trial. Biased Bev should step aside!
I've been a defense attorney for 24 years. This argument is absurd. Not an acquittal and no double jeopardy. Retry her and let's get on with it. Families need closure one way or another.
I’m not an attorney, but anyone with common sense and a little understanding of how the law works knows this is another game they’re playing. It’s ridiculous. Not a legal leg to stand on. 🤦♀️
The fact that all these intelligent judges are taking all this time to ask alllllll these carefully crafted questions- shows me they're trying really hard to give this atty every opportunity possible to support his position with some kind of valid argument or precedence; but there is no valid argument or precedence, and they know it! Third note saying they're at an impasse- and defense never objected at all because they wanted a mistrial! These judges are saints for entertaining this atty's argument for as long as they did.
Imagine knowing what you did, leaking information to get witnesses harassed and intimidated, paying the big mouth blogger to spread your lies, playing the victim and not only encouraging, but enjoying your victim’s family going through hell every day. She deserves everything that comes her way and more.
Yes because the jury doesn’t get to do that. The jury has all the evidence they don’t get to ask for anything additional that wasn’t in evidence. That’s the way it is in every jurisdiction. If the jury was meant to have that it would be in evidence
What information? The judge read all the instructions, Attorney Jackson inputted his not guilty boxes that she allowed, and the regulations to not being able to decide were also read to the jury.
@@dianecharest8365 What are you talking about? Did you forget she had the form changed to satisfy Jackson? He approved the second one. Can’t cry about it now. 🤦♀️
Calling her “Auntie Bev” is very disrespectful and immature, but I wouldn’t expect anything less from the groupies. 🙄 She was corrupt because things didn’t go your way? They’re playing more games and they know it. It’s to keep people like you believing the nonsense.
@@vinnycardoso8063 Sure was! So what are you upset about? I thought that was a “victory”! 😂😂 Nah. She’s not related to me cause if she was, she wouldn’t put up with Jackson’s smart mouth or the cult’s ridiculous behavior. 😉
@@dianecharest8365 Which is exactly what the defense kept asking for. They were in a hurry to celebrate and get in front of the cameras and the cult. Don’t be gullible.
@DonnaRagsdale-ef7wg Bev was BIASED, through the whole trial. It was obvious. Watched every bit of the trial. Listened to Lallys bs and leading the lying witnesses. Gullible is believing that there is no corruption going on. People all over the world can see it.
@@lisadahlquist9501 The “problem” is Read leaking information to and paying a crybully blogger to harass and intimidate witnesses and create a cult following that believes every lie told. She and her family know exactly what she did and you’re all being played like a fiddle. Stop being a follower. Haha 🙄🤦♀️
If this isn't the biggest sht show I've ever seen! The DA who is supposed to be tthe captain of his department will blame his subordinates for alll the problems. I just hope you don't see another day in office! . How do you explain 3000 texts from one of your Officers who strangled an abused girl groomed by one one of your Officers! Are you telling us you weren't informed? Give us an explanation! Never heard anything on why this happened! A dead body in the morgue with no explanation on why!
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie Try comparing poor Karen’s interviews and see how many contradictions she makes. She saw him go into the house, but wonders if she clipped him or ran over his foot? Get a clue. 🤦♀️
These judges are not interested in getting to the truth or serving Justice-following their constitutional oath... They all need to be dismissed from their positions. Their contaminated.
@@aprilkelly477 Case laws are used to make decisions on issues that may arise. They’re used as examples to help make your argument. Very common in trials and hearings. Nothing unusual. (I’m not a FKR, so I’ll give you an actual answer.)
@DonnaRagsdale-ef7wg Well before the trail you could think of it as a conspiracy... But after the trail it's an absolute unmistaken reality! Where's Proctor now- where's Tully??? Where's the hard evidence that a vehicle struck OJO??? It's an absolute reality.
@@justintharp5652 Only if you hear what you want to hear. Were Proctor or Tully charged with planting evidence or cultivating a coverup? FBI didn’t find evidence of that, did they? “Inconsistent with” doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So many variables, especially when no one knows how or where he was standing. Listen to her! Her many interviews and many inconsistencies! She watched him walk to the door but wondered “did I run over his foot and in his drunkenness he fell down? Could I have clipped him?”? That sounds right to you? That’s one of many.
These judges are taking great pains to divert from the primary question & or objective on hand. And that is to simply bring the jury back in to ask them about the decisions on counts 1 & 3? What do they have to loose??? The answers is nothing. And the absolute hypocrisy & prejudice of the judges to agree with this nasty self-serving prosecution- that to ask the jury an honest & open question which the constitution 100% gives the court every right to do so- on whether or not they voted yes or no on any of the charges- as being coercive... Tells me that these judges arguments are just contemptuous & asinine.. And these judges should be prosecuted & released from their positions asap... For absolutely none of them were on their constitutional oath during this proceeding that's for sure... They're US Constitution violators... & We need to see them on their way. For they're definitely not representing we the people at all.
@MrsK976 - simply untrue. All they had to do was object, they just sat there. They both showed,during trial,they had no issue interrupting her. Additionally, they could have asked her to hold the jury after they left the courtroom. Additionally, had she listened to Yanetti the jurywouldhave been declared hung the first time
The judge is NOT required to poll the jury. Now they’re blaming the DA for not asking for that?! 😂 Yanetti kept pushing and even asked for a mistrial. They were so busy celebrating and couldn’t wait to get to the media, they effed up. There’s no law for them to stand on. The “verdict” was never finalized plain and simple. Just more games they’re playing. 🙄
Imagine all the money, time and energy spent to UNDO THE MISTAKE of Cannone of not polling the jury.
She couldn't poll the jury as there was no completed slips
judges can ask thejury if they have a verdict on any of the counts or If it’s an impasse on all counts. But Cannone didn’t. Other judges do. It would’ve saved the state more expenses of retrying this case. Saving taxpayers money.
@@Sunnies-8kd But in the end there were no completed jury slips. It was only here say after the fact once court was dismissed. The defense did not speak up and accepted the mistrial as a victory.
@@Michbeachlover yes you’re correct that’s why the prosecution and the defense argue on form vs substance. Form meaning not filling out the jury slip and substance meaning the unanimous not guilty verdict on counts 1&3 accdg to the 4 jurors who contacted the defense attys. Protecting the defendant against double jeopardy.
@Michbeachlover because the slips didn't allow for them to make their decisions out with GUILTY. It was a rigged slip.
Why can’t Judge Canonne just be ordered to poll the Jury? This is ridiculous!
This is so sad what Karen Read is going through. She’s INNOCENT!
Looks like double jeopardy to me. How many more times are you gonna charge her with the same crime that would be my question.
It was a mistrial with no documentation or speak up from defense, no polling. Same charges stick on the re-trial.
@@Michbeachloverall she had to do is ask, "were you able to come to a verdict on any of the counts?". With the votes being unanimous, polling would be pointless anyways. She simply didn't ask. And now the jurors felt the need to reach out to counsel unprovoked to let them know where they stood during deliberations and how surprised they were that they weren't questioned about each individual count. They feel their time was wasted and so will another jury's. If they were to come to a guilty on any count, KR would have been sentenced on said count. But since no one but the jurors know if they came to a unanimous not guilty decision, double jeopardy is at stake. And with due process presuming innocence until found guilty, that is just wrong to retry all charges if instructions were not clear.
@@Boston40Cal That’s not how it works. They have to be unanimous on all charges in order to give their verdict. Have you ever seen a trial where the jury says we agree on this, but not that? Have you ever seen a judge say we’ll drop this charge, but not that one? That’s not how it works. The judge is NOT required to poll the jury and you can’t have a do-over because some jurors say something after the fact. Look at the precedent that would set! All it comes down to is no verdict was finalized and these jurors were far from uninformed and stupid. Look at the intelligence of the notes they sent!
Sadly, they will deny this due to the corrupt judge's failures.
As they should because it is case law
@@Michbeachlover what about for true Justice?
@@aprilkelly477 True justice will be for John O'keefe and Karen found guilty.
@ Oh yes, I completely agree! John O’Keefe having justice is the only thing I think most people want
@@bryonwilson8498 Learn about the law. Plenty of case law to back up her decision. She did nothing wrong.
Unbelievable. Karen has to pay for Auntie Bev's blunders and Bev's hand-picked jury foreman's biases/mistakes.
Judge Cannone did not make a mistake at all.
Oh she did. @Michbeachlover
@@LisaLynnTx Judge Cannone has been promoted since the mistrial and now will oversee the new case in January or April. FKR followed just don't like her. She allowed Jackson to have a not guilty on the juror slips which has never been in MA. She was very fair and played by the law.
@@Michbeachlover You wrote, “she was very fair & played by the law”…. I assure you that you’re in the minority in believing she was fair in the KR trial. Biased Bev should step aside!
@@Michbeachlover Hahahahahahaha!!! Yeah, right!
I've been a defense attorney for 24 years. This argument is absurd. Not an acquittal and no double jeopardy. Retry her and let's get on with it. Families need closure one way or another.
I’m not an attorney, but anyone with common sense and a little understanding of how the law works knows this is another game they’re playing. It’s ridiculous. Not a legal leg to stand on. 🤦♀️
I agree just retry the case
The fact that all these intelligent judges are taking all this time to ask alllllll these carefully crafted questions- shows me they're trying really hard to give this atty every opportunity possible to support his position with some kind of valid argument or precedence; but there is no valid argument or precedence, and they know it! Third note saying they're at an impasse- and defense never objected at all because they wanted a mistrial! These judges are saints for entertaining this atty's argument for as long as they did.
You're able to see this because--like those judges--you're able to think objectively.
You’re absolutely right
Imagine getting into the debt karren read has gotten in and the government has failed her from the investors prosecutors and finally the judge .
Imagine knowing what you did, leaking information to get witnesses harassed and intimidated, paying the big mouth blogger to spread your lies, playing the victim and not only encouraging, but enjoying your victim’s family going through hell every day. She deserves everything that comes her way and more.
Guilty guilty guilty she will get what she deserves….. prison
Other point the jury also asked for more information b she denied more info to jurors
Yes because the jury doesn’t get to do that. The jury has all the evidence they don’t get to ask for anything additional that wasn’t in evidence. That’s the way it is in every jurisdiction. If the jury was meant to have that it would be in evidence
What information? The judge read all the instructions, Attorney Jackson inputted his not guilty boxes that she allowed, and the regulations to not being able to decide were also read to the jury.
@Michbeachlover you're doing too much now 😂 Just sit down.
@@ashleywallace973 yeah ok. Nice reply when you have nothing to say that is intelligent.
@@Michbeachlover anyone who believes the commonwealth in this case is not in a position to throw about insults about intelligence 🤦🏼♀️
How come the defense didnt mention the fact that there was no " not guilty " box
@@dianecharest8365 What are you talking about? Did you forget she had the form changed to satisfy Jackson? He approved the second one. Can’t cry about it now. 🤦♀️
Auntie Bev should not be on this 2nd trial because of her incompetency on the 1st trial.🤦♂️🤬
Calling her “Auntie Bev” is very disrespectful and immature, but I wouldn’t expect anything less from the groupies. 🙄
She was corrupt because things didn’t go your way? They’re playing more games and they know it. It’s to keep people like you believing the nonsense.
@DonnaRagsdale-ef7wg Last time I checked, it was a mistrial . Just because she is your real aunt, there's no need to get upset, darling🤣
@@vinnycardoso8063 Sure was! So what are you upset about? I thought that was a “victory”! 😂😂
Nah. She’s not related to me cause if she was, she wouldn’t put up with Jackson’s smart mouth or the cult’s ridiculous behavior. 😉
She announced the mistrial and told the jury, " thank you for your services, you are dismissed."
Took all of 3 seconds! When did the defense have a moment to ask about the verdicts on all counts?
@@dianecharest8365 Which is exactly what the defense kept asking for. They were in a hurry to celebrate and get in front of the cameras and the cult. Don’t be gullible.
@DonnaRagsdale-ef7wg Bev was BIASED, through the whole trial. It was obvious. Watched every bit of the trial. Listened to Lallys bs and leading the lying witnesses. Gullible is believing that there is no corruption going on. People all over the world can see it.
KAREN READ GUILTY.
And she knows it. That’s the worst part.
Yea.. ok ur both part of the problem clearly or corruption should I say haha
@@lisadahlquist9501 The “problem” is Read leaking information to and paying a crybully blogger to harass and intimidate witnesses and create a cult following that believes every lie told. She and her family know exactly what she did and you’re all being played like a fiddle. Stop being a follower.
Haha 🙄🤦♀️
If this isn't the biggest sht show I've ever seen! The DA who is supposed to be tthe captain of his department will blame his subordinates for alll the problems. I just hope you don't see another day in office! . How do you explain 3000 texts from one of your Officers who strangled an abused girl groomed by one one of your Officers! Are you telling us you weren't informed? Give us an explanation! Never heard anything on why this happened! A dead body in the morgue with no explanation on why!
Poor Karen, sitting through this sham,
Poor Karen ? Haha. The devil doesn’t mind.
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie Try comparing poor Karen’s interviews and see how many contradictions she makes. She saw him go into the house, but wonders if she clipped him or ran over his foot? Get a clue. 🤦♀️
Jackson where are you
Witch-hunt 👎
God Bless Karen Read
Why do they keep asking for federal case studies and stuff like that? What about justice? Sorry I don’t know much about law
These judges are not interested in getting to the truth or serving Justice-following their constitutional oath... They all need to be dismissed from their positions. Their contaminated.
@@justintharp5652 Knew it. Now they’re part of the conspiracy, too. 😂😂😂😂
@@aprilkelly477 Case laws are used to make decisions on issues that may arise. They’re used as examples to help make your argument. Very common in trials and hearings. Nothing unusual. (I’m not a FKR, so I’ll give you an actual answer.)
@DonnaRagsdale-ef7wg Well before the trail you could think of it as a conspiracy... But after the trail it's an absolute unmistaken reality! Where's Proctor now- where's Tully??? Where's the hard evidence that a vehicle struck OJO??? It's an absolute reality.
@@justintharp5652 Only if you hear what you want to hear. Were Proctor or Tully charged with planting evidence or cultivating a coverup? FBI didn’t find evidence of that, did they? “Inconsistent with” doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So many variables, especially when no one knows how or where he was standing. Listen to her! Her many interviews and many inconsistencies! She watched him walk to the door but wondered “did I run over his foot and in his drunkenness he fell down? Could I have clipped him?”? That sounds right to you? That’s one of many.
FKR she is 1000% innocent this is just ludicrous b.s
Theses judges are an absolute joke- & a disgrace to their position.
These judges are taking great pains to divert from the primary question & or objective on hand. And that is to simply bring the jury back in to ask them about the decisions on counts 1 & 3? What do they have to loose??? The answers is nothing.
And the absolute hypocrisy & prejudice of the judges to agree with this nasty self-serving prosecution- that to ask the jury an honest & open question which the constitution 100% gives the court every right to do so- on whether or not they voted yes or no on any of the charges- as being coercive... Tells me that these judges arguments are just contemptuous & asinine.. And these judges should be prosecuted & released from their positions asap...
For absolutely none of them were on their constitutional oath during this proceeding that's for sure... They're US Constitution violators... & We need to see them on their way. For they're definitely not representing we the people at all.
Karen is guilty. That's the most idiotic conspiracy known.
Speaking about idiots
@@wicketuma444 And now they’re adding these Supreme Court judges. 😂😂😂
The mistake was on her attorneys
They only had 6 seconds to respond which is not enough time. It doesn’t even register and then she called mistrial. Wake up
@MrsK976 - simply untrue. All they had to do was object, they just sat there. They both showed,during trial,they had no issue interrupting her. Additionally, they could have asked her to hold the jury after they left the courtroom. Additionally, had she listened to Yanetti the jurywouldhave been declared hung the first time
@ you know the judge was supposed to ask each count and get instructions indicated they had to agree on all. Go back and listen to the recording.
The judge is NOT required to poll the jury. Now they’re blaming the DA for not asking for that?! 😂 Yanetti kept pushing and even asked for a mistrial. They were so busy celebrating and couldn’t wait to get to the media, they effed up. There’s no law for them to stand on. The “verdict” was never finalized plain and simple. Just more games they’re playing. 🙄
Right they should have never agreed to have Judge cannony for Karens Judge period!! Was a massive mistake.