Q&A with Irene Lyon. On chronic illness, chronic fatigue, autoimmune, and MORE!
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Welcome to a special Q&A session - all about chronic illness.
I did this recording originally on my Facebook Page which you can find here: / lyonirene
Irene.
Here are some Questions/Topics I discuss in this chat:
(6:45) - What is Chronic Illness & how to heal
(8:50) - Nature vs. Nurture
(18:28) - Unidentified Skin Condition
(21:30) - Chemical Trauma
(25:39) - Suppression of Emotions
(26:00) - Procedural Memories
(28:44) - How to get Anger out
(29:02) - Healing a chronic memory
(33:40) - Is Autonomic dysfunction the same as Central Sensitization
(36:25) - Rheumatoid Arthritis
(40:05) - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
(46:36) - How to not be your diagnosis/ Lyme disease
(50:20) - Is there any point in doing Somatic Experience work if still re-traumatizing?
(50:55) - EDMR
(54:10) - Complex PTSD, Autoimmune Disorders, Nutrient deficiencies
(55:34) - IBS, Endometriosis, Diabetes, Crohns, Leaky Gut
(1:03:40) - Bodywork (massage, yoga, craniosacral, movement classes)
(1:06:03) - Chronic fatigue, Digestive Dysfunction
(1:08:01) - Chronic Pain, Chronic Fatigue
(1:11:00) - Early Trauma and Remembering them
(1:13:23) - Chronic Body Pain/Headaches
(1:18:37) - Tinnitus
(1:21:33) - Stiff Person Syndrome and Trauma
Resources I Mention In The Vlog:
► SmartBody SmartMind
www.smartbodysmartmind.com/
► Healing Trauma Video Series
irenelyon.com/healing-trauma-...
► Healthy Nervous System Revolution Facebook Group
groups/nervo...
► Up & Down Movement
www.updownworkshop.com/
► The ACE Study. Connections with Psychological Trauma & Physical Illness
• The ACE Study. Connect...
► Peter Levine
somaticexperiencing.com/
► Irene’s Skin Condition (scroll down)
irenelyon.com/meet-irene/
► Kathy Kain
www.somaticpractice.net/
► Gabor Mate - book - When The Body Says No
drgabormate.com/book/when-the...
► Brian Weiss - Many Lives, Many Masters
www.amazon.ca/Many-Lives-Mast...
► What the heck is orienting? (and why is it so important?!)
• What the heck is orien...
► What do you do when you have unresolved trauma? Two types of orienting
• What do you do when yo...
► Q&A with Irene Lyon. All things anger: what it is, why it gets stuck, and what to do about it.
• Q&A with Irene Lyon. A...
► Why healthy impulses "should" be followed.
• Why healthy impulses "...
► Edgar Cayce
www.edgarcayce.org/
► Mailing List (IL.com)
irenelyon.com
► How stored up traumatic (toxic) stress creates chronic illness
• How stored up traumati...
► Lisa Dennys; Unveiling Lyme Disease: Is This What’s Behind Your Chronic Illness?
www.amazon.ca/Unveiling-Lyme-...
► Robert Scare; Trauma Spectrum: Hidden Wounds And Human Resiliency
www.amazon.ca/Trauma-Spectrum...
► Understanding highly sensitive people: Nurture or Nature?
• Understanding highly s...
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2. To get more nervous system health resources, plus learn more about me and my credentials, plus the many ways you can work with me at the practical level, head to my website: irenelyon.com
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Please know that…
The statements on this UA-cam channel or in videos are simply opinion. Content presented or posted on this channel is not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment or a professional therapeutic relationship. Content presented or posted is intended to provide general health information for educational purposes only and you should contact the appropriate healthcare professional before relying on any such information.
My website is a wealth of free resources and information on how to start this work, so here it is one more time: irenelyon.com
OMG, in therapy recently my therapist asked me to notice how I felt when I needed to go to bathroom,eat or sleep- each case it was an emergency.... I waited until I had a migraine to rest, running to the bathroom or so hungry it was tough to slowly eat....
Wow, thank you Irene. This was very interesting and helpful. I am currently doing a course with Lisa A. Romano and between your work and Lisa's I am slowly working through my childhood (and Adult) traumas. I have a lot of stored rage/anger and that presented itself as many illnesses as well as chronic IBS, skin rashes, hip and leg pain, dissociation etc...I am only just now starting to feel my emotions (I pretty much felt numb all my life but I knew how everyone else felt), and I am in my 40's. It is a long process and I am "rocking the boat" with my family/friends, but in the end, it is about my health and happiness...so be it. Thank you again.
I chuckled when you mentioned how it's usually the women who seek deep healing then try to get their men on board. That's definitely what I've been personally doing and I witness it elsewhere a lot. We mean well of course.
This video, 30 min in, hit me hard. I have a horrible attitude when it comes to listening to my needs and desires. For me, even just taking a small break from a project I want to and have chosen to work on for myself makes me feel lazy.
Being ok with people that we love being in pain, and knowing that that's not our journey to fix. #NailedIt. Make that an IG square. So good Irene. Always love your body of work, thank you! -Tune Up Student !
Thank you so much for your videos! Currently at the beginnings of the 21 day nervous system tune up and seeing progress within myself.
Hey Heather Bartlett, Seth here from Team Lyon. That's so great you joined the Tuneup! Thanks for being here and for doing the work!
Hi Heather! I'm curious how the program worked for you. Would love to hear how it went :)
For those of you with questions about ibs, nutritional deficiencies, headaches or leaky gut, I went through a stressful situation and it switched on my genes for celiac disease. If you don't have the genes you don't have to worry about it, but many people do. So I got very very sick and I had to remove gluten from my diet. I still have fibromyalgia it didn't help that so that's why I'm here to help my fatigue and pain. But I just want people to know that sometimes there are actual autoimmune diseases like celiac disease where gluten is the problem and removing it from your diet will help. May I help everything but I'm still alive and I wouldn't be if I was still eating gluten.
Aimee Williams, thanks for sharing about your experience with gluten. Making changes such as the dietary changes you describe can definitely be important and compatible with doing this work.
And as it sounds like you know, often these changes alone aren't enough to create healing from chronic symptoms and conditions. This is where growing nervous system regulation and capacity can often make a difference. - Jen from Team Lyon
Same boat
If I have a strong sense of wanting to say or do anything I immediately have a very strong sense that I can't do it...it's like a feeling of threat, if I do something bad will happen. ... It made life very difficult
Hey Andy,
Nicole here from Team Lyon. Thanks for sharing your experience. Trauma can be so many different forms. This being one of them.
If you're interested in some more information on healing trauma, The Healing Trauma Series is a good starting point. irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
I hope Irene's content gives you insight into understanding a bit more about this. And that you discover that speaking no longer needs to feel like a threat.
Nicole
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This was amazing, thank you so much! Some light bulb moments for me 😌. I have chronic fatigue syndrome and childhood trauma; this has helped me connect some of the pieces and given me insight into what I can do next. A huge thank you 🙏
Hi Ginger Tart, Jen here from Team Lyon. Great to hear this resonated with you. I'll link to another video that might be of interest. It's focused on adrenal fatigue and the practice Irene discusses is helpful for CFS and early trauma too.
How to Heal Adrenal Fatigue by Working with the Stress Organs - irenelyon.com/2019/11/03/how-to-heal-adrenal-fatigue-by-working-with-stress-organs/
I just have to tell you your hair is so beautiful. Everytime I see you, I that's the first thought I have.
Nicole here from Team Lyon.
She's got a really great hairdresser!
This is so important and precious! Thank you! I try to spread your wisdom.
This was an amazing Q&A session, thank you so much 💜
This is one of the most helpful talks I have ever listened to, it makes so much sense.
Also trauma being passed down through generations, even genetically in DNA. Wow, so interesting. Right! True healing has to be more holistic.
Irene is an oracle. So wise. Thanks for all the info.
Thank you, so prescious, the information and the way you deliver it.
Amazing presentation Irene. 👏
Perfect example of trùe medicine and why the pharmaceutical based medical system is substandard in terms of resolving illness, especially chronic illness (ie based on a faulty premise).
While I agree with pretty much everything stated I feel there's value in mentioning the importance of properly managing the biological machine in concert with the trauma therapy. Issues such as gluten/dairy/grain intolerance, MTHFR/methalation, pyrroles, detox, gut healing protocols, etc... are imho equally important to doing "the work".
I look forward to hearing more of your wisdom 🙏 blessings 😇
Hey Fractal Codex, Seth here from Team Lyon. Thanks so much for being here and watching and chiming in! It's totally true that a person will need more than just one approach - diet, nutrition, exercise, detoxing, etc.. can definitely be a crucial part of one's process. Irene doesn't address that in her materials though because when it comes to those areas, and other vectors of support, such as massage, energy work, acupuncture, talk therapy, etc..., what each person needs is going to be HIGHLY individual. So she focuses on the elements that are universal - the need to restore nervous system regulation and release old survival energy is something that ALL survivors of trauma have in common.
@@teamlyon3109 I understand that. My point was to merely mention the importance of these other factors so people are clear that's a holistic approach is what's needed, and thus to seek these modalities with practitioners in those respective fields.
Trauma work is only ONE factor in switching off the Cell Defence Response.
good work, i appreciate your contributions
Great Q & A, thanks Irene.
You mentioned some research re food ingestion & the immune system influenced by thoughts & emotions. Do you have any further details on that research? Thanks!
That is so weird that you mention past life in ref to skin eruptions!!! I had a family drama going involving some paintings we inherited and I drove across the country alone to reclaim my share of them, and I took photos of my arm & wrist because the rash was so bad it looked like a burn. And on the way I also retraced a life in 18th century France at the Foundry at Versailles also involving art and family, where I remembered actually losing my hand in the foundry when I was a sculptor. Incidentally I have always had tons of past life recall, and that one is one that I verified, again thru art, which I recognized at a museum, even tho it wasn't labelled. (it was reproduced on the patio at the old De Young in SF.)
Beautiful work, Irene! I am at minute 33, at our biological impulses and how we were raised from early on to apologize for our biology. I so relate to this! I have had the great fortune to begin my working through this societal program at a live event 5 years ago. I actually asked for help from another woman there to help me with this. It took an entire day just to realize how many times I was saying sorry (for gases, caughs, sneezes, yawns, elementary scratching on the face). I was that rooted in shame for my physiology. Ludacris, right?! 🙏
GREAT video!
You are awesome .. awesome .. awesome
Your work is amazing, life changing and revolutionary Irene! Thanks so much for what you're doing. I definitely suffer from chemical trauma and it’s probably the main reason of my chronic rhintis, having grown up in a war zone. Is there any place where I can find more guidance related to healing chemical trauma please?
Hi Vincent, Seth here with Team Lyon. There's many approaches for healing the effects of chemical trauma. One, is just doing this work in general. Also though, there can be multiple, more complicated causes for such problems which may not be related directly to trauma and the expected resultant nervous system dysfunction.
If symptoms, issues and conditions arose due to things such as: exposure to toxicity in the air, water, or soil either from chemicals, mold, poor sanitation, or other, various forms of radiation, pharmaceutical interventions, hormonal imbalance issues, or if there was and is severe deficiencies in nutrients or other things the body needs, it may be that other interventions in addition to this work will also be necessary.
Some of these interventions could include things like: dietary change to support better nutrition and/or hydration; various detox protocols such as chelation therapy, oxygen therapy, or with a product like Pure Body or Pure Body Extra, which Irene and Seth have both used to detox from heavy metals in the body, and which they recommend. irenelyon.com/2021/09/06/healing-from-toxins-detoxing-with-zeolite-interview-with-eddie-stone/
Other helpful interventions they’ve been using include exposure to natural light outside first thing upon waking (no glasses or contacts), which supports circadian rhythms and mitochondrial health, and grounding with bare feet on the Earth frequently, which discharges electrical buildup in the system and facilitates a beneficial electron exchange.
Getting fresh air and moderate to intense exercise regularly can be very helpful, as is hydrotherapy - going from hot to cold, for flushing the lymphatic system and promoting good circulation. Here are some links to interviews Irene has done with various teachers in these fields, as well as some other resources she recommends:
irenelyon.com/2022/08/07/understanding-sunlight-for-health-and-healing-with-carrie-bennett/
irenelyon.com/2022/04/04/harnessing-the-sun-for-health-and-healing-with-sarah-kleiner/
irenelyon.com/2021/10/24/healthy-guts-hormones-sleep-a-lot-more-with-kitty-martone/
irenelyon.com/2021/12/19/hydrotherapy-terrain-theory-naturopathic-musings/
irenelyon.com/2021/08/22/my-health-regimen-20-years-in-the-making/
@@IreneLyon Thank you Seth!
So interesting! 🤯
I understand the concepts and they make sense. One thing I wanted to ask was - Irene mentioned 'if you feel the impulse to say something, say it!' - do you mean to ourselves or to others? It's just if I said what I want to say to others, I would have no job, no friends and no family left - lol! Could you provide any advice please?
Life with CPTSD, Jen here from Team Lyon. Often when we have a strong reaction in the present, it reflects both what's happening now and also our response to something this reminds us of from the past and so reactions can often be magnified when trauma is in the picture.
For this reason, and the one you mentioned (!), and also because it can sometimes feel safer to say something when we are alone in our own space (or with someone with whom we feel safe), it's often advisable to say something out loud but not to the person. It is possible to imagine saying it to the person. You might given this a try and see what happens.
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Enjoying your videos so much! Thank you! Do you have an videos addressing specifically DEEP GRIEF trauma? And how to release deep grief embedded in the lungs causing sickness? (Copd, etc). Can the lungs ever actually heal when the grief has been addressed?
I’d like to know this too. No one seemed to respond here
You mentioned that the ans runs to the end of our tailbone and I remember hurting my tailbone long ago. There’s now a permanent bruise there and it makes me wonder if that has anything to do with the disregulation in my system?
My neurologist diagnosed me with dysautonomic nervous system dysfunction. And brings a few chronic illnesses for me.
When you were talking about chemical trauma, as a child my friend had eczema all over her body I remember that her mum covered her sores in cream. A friend in my daughters class has the same issue and both children have a Dad that work as a mechanic, seems there is some correlation here!
Also, about CFS, what does it mean to listen to your body when one has phobias? I avoided doing something for three years and a half... while listening to my dread. How do we really listen?
you're the best. I'm saving up to do your course
25:39 so helpful
I don't have the money to subscribe, but am very interested in your program. I don't know of any traumas I had but I have had CFS for over 20 years, main symptom crashing weakness. Do you think I would benefit from your free videos? Thanks so much.
@40:00 I often wonder if that is a good idea though due to others’ peanut allergies? What do you think of the peanut allergy thing that is said to be increasing? Allergies seem so unfair- is that a form of a control issue?
And peanuts are high in mold. Aflatoxin. Especially when stored for a long time.
does SBSM go over the diaphragms and how to restore flow in these areas?
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Yes, there are several lessons about this particular topic.
I wonder about something, related to your explanation when the fight/flight wants to manifest but we learned to suppress it with freeze response, and so we don't express it because of social conditioning, not knowing what to do, fear, etc. I got to a point in my healing where the fight/flight is more and more obvious to me, even under the freeze. For example I notice that some noise is bothering me and I would normally go directly into freeze/ sadness response, but gradually I'm noticing the anger below that and if I can, I sit with it and let myself slowly feel it. The issue for me is often to address directly the source of the anger. Like knocking on my neighbour's door and telling him that the noise he is making is bothering me. Also, sometimes it feels like it's not appropriate. Can I still heal? I mean, I feel I am on the right path. Feeling the anger and allowing it to surface while containing it. Is that enough? Thank you!
Hi Andrea, Seth here from Team Lyon. Great questions! Setting healthy boundaries and expressing ourselves when something is not ok is important. AND. Sometimes it can also cause more problems depending on the situation, and it's more important to work internally - or sometimes it's important to do both these things!
For example if the noisy neighbor is someone you know is relatively reasonable, or if you haven't met them and don't know, expressing your experience and aksing them to change something may be well worth it. AND, it will likely be important to do some work with allowing that anger to be expressed first, so that the interaction is less charged. If that neighbour is someone you know to be mean, belligerent, hostile, etc.. then confronting them may just cause more problems, and it might be more important to just work with the anger, and/or get the authorities involved if the noise is violating a bylaw, and/or move somewhere else so your environment is safer.
Either way, it's almost always important to work with the energy of the anger (fight/flight) directly if we have a trauma history, because it's likely that very often the charge is more about the past than the current situation. Here's an article of mine about working with anger, and a playlist that someone put together of all of Irene's videos on anger
Article: sethlyon.com/healthy-aggression-the-way-to-un-frustrate-frustration/
Playlist: ua-cam.com/video/xNrIf4rb4TY/v-deo.html
My teeth hurt all the time, I thought it was sensitivity when it first started but I went to two dentists and they said my teeth were fine but they hurt all the time, I clench my jaw a lot but I’ve been trying to be very aware and keep my jaw relaxed, sometimes it helps but the pain is still there. What could this be?
Christina Piorkowski Maybe it could be sinus pain or infection. I get sinus pain a lot 😁 and it often feels like toothache. Hope this helps x
Lindsey Chalmers I don’t think it’s that, I’m rarely sick, I clench my jaw a lot, maybe it’s from that. It started about 7 months ago when I was going through a stressful situation. Thanks for the comment.
My teeth hurt often as well there’s nothing wrong with my teeth as soon as the Dennis can see it has something to do with the pressure and the trigeminal nerve maybe a nerve that has been Penn State your neck and stress can make it much worse I went and bought a night guard for my teeth I also will wear it during the day if I cannot stop it consciously
What about breathing problems? I feel like the heavy chest pressure is affecting my lungs and breathing.
@boldi2337, Jen here from Irene's Team. If you're asking if chest pressure can be related to trauma, then yes, in many cases it can be. If you have concerns, it can be prudent to be checked out by a healthcare practitioner too if you haven't already done so.
Do you think IBS can be healed through just nervous system and trauma healing?
Hi gonnabapro, Jen here from Team Lyon. Often people are able to heal IBS through nervous system and trauma healing, and the sometimes the healing path requires, or is faster, when there is a team approach. For example, this might look like doing this work alongside working with a holistic health practitioner and/or a physician.
Makes sense. Thanks!
is melatonin helpful for sleep or the nervous system?
SekiSchro, Jen here from Team Lyon. We're not experts on supplements and medications here. Some people do find either or both helpful at times as they explore this nervous system work, and you might trust your impulse and check with a qualified healthcare practitioner too. If you're interested in learning more about sleep, Irene has some info that might interest you.
Why can't I sleep? - irenelyon.com/2020/05/24/why-cant-i-sleep/
Harnessing the power of the sun for health and healing - irenelyon.com/2022/04/04/harnessing-the-sun-for-health-and-healing-with-sarah-kleiner/
We have some weird impulses also... Like hitting someone or shouting at public situation..
Ita not possible to follow these impulses...
What to do then
I have lot to ask in this matter but don't where I can get the answers
@sumithatri3530, Jen here from Irene's Team. As you mentioned, there are many examples of where it may be challenging to act on a biological impulse in real time.
When this is the case, you have a few options. One is to imagine that you are expressing the impulse. To use the situation you gave, if you feel anger (what we call healthy aggression) in a public situation, you might imagine that you could yell at the person, or push them away, or otherwise express the impulse.
You can also find a way to move that does feel doable given the circumstances. For example, in this case it might look like pressing your feet into the ground and then releasing, or slowly making a fist and allowing it to unfurl.
Later, when you are in a place where you do have space to express the impulse, you can call to mind the situation in your imagination and take the opportunity to shout or move or otherwise follow the impulse.
You also asked about where you can get questions answered. We do answer some questions here time to time, and you can also search Irene's content as she has many resources.
And the best place to get questions answered is to consider joining Irene's 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up course. It's a self-study course that you can do anytime. It includes nervous system education and practices and you also have the opportunity to ask questions about what you're learning and have them answered by experienced nervous system practitioners. I'll share a link in case you'd like to learn more.
21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com
About your own skin story, I wonder if you’re allergic to umami? Whatever that really is? Not that it ultimately matters what you call it in reality. Thank you for sharing, I’m just getting started on this path!
It's probably because real fish sauce has very high histamine content. Most fermented foods do, even the red wine as part of her example.
IRENE, Do you believe there is such a thing as chronic Lyme? Or do you have the same assumptions about it that IDSA has?
Hi Great News, Seth here from Team Lyon. Of course there is such a thing as chronic Lyme. I have had many clients with that, many of whom have healed it or greatly improved by including this kind of trauma work, and nervous system regulation work along with their medical approach. Unfortunately it is hard to find doctors who treat Lyme, because many of those who have been the most successful at treating it have had their medical license taken away! But there are still some out there. Unveiling Lyme, by Lisa Dennis, is a good book to check out on the subject.. www.unveilinglyme.com/
Have u ever tried ozone therapy?
I did and it didn't helped me but I have adrenal fatigue. For someone wirh lyme, epstein barr ect it will help for sure! :)
So I don’t understand how we can listen to our biology when others interfere? For example, I want to sleep and my neighbors wake me up- for years this goes on. How can you regulate when others don’t let you get basic needs met because there is a light sleeping pattern?
AdaAdi77 get some good earplugs, assuming it’s noise that awakens you.
Whos!!
I don’t blame doctors for giving me prescriptions for various meds,
I wish I wasn’t on meds and could heal.
Tessa, Nicole here from Team Lyon.
Know that there is still opportunity to start exploring this work. Even if you're on meds. Some education on what it means to heal the nervous system and some tools to support you might be beneficial in your process.
If you're interested, I suggest starting with the Healing Trauma Series - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
See if it speaks to you :)
Wishing you insight.
Nicole
now the cause of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is found: radiation of microwaveoven.(magnetron)
To stop you have to eliminate the oven out of the house.
The plug out of electricity net because the oven has also radiation when it is not in use.And out of the house because the oven has a high voltage capacitor.
The distance between an oven and a person is very important.After a 2 weeks without microwaves health becomes better.
@39 minutes....I had chronic back pain for 10 years. Then it went away and my knees fell apart. Apart from any of this kind of information...you throwing out there the possibility of past lives. That's bogus. Where do you stop. Your past life, then the life before that, etc. etc. No, the Bible has this right, we were (individually) created in God's image; it is appointed once for man to die and then the judgement. Only one life per person. No disrespect meant.
How can you be sure that we don't have past lives. There is actually quite a body of evidence to suggest otherwise.
I have had past life regressions and am in fact studying to become a past life regression practitioner. The blocks/fears/phobias/issues we have in this life can definitely be taken back to a point in another life. Past lives bleed through to our current lives.