I have always thought of the heads popping up after a crash as looking like prairie dogs. Everything thing you described is accurate, true and relatable. Thanks for sharing.
I can totally relate, I'm a carpenter....Once I cut a door casing too short...So I got another piece...I'm seeing a therapist...:D....I have close friends that were machinist, I've heard the stories...I live really close to Boeing Vertol too...The tolerances you guys work with, are CRAZY...Good health and healthy sales to you and yours...
Hello, My name is Rolf, I worked as a lathe operator in a shipyard in Germany for almost 30 years and sometimes also on a CNC machine, but what you do on the CNC machines in the USA is magic, just great. Greetings from Germany.
It crazy to look back now and it makes me feel old but I learned programming on an NC paper tape Pratt & Whitney. We used a literal "type writer" that had a paper punch rig that sat to the right of the keyboard punching hole into a paper tape back then a "type O" was on a completely different level. Fortunately the machine rapid rates weren't exactly scary. In one lifetime we went from emptying a dish of the little paper chads to programming and running simulations of program before we even make a chip. Thank you guys for promoting the trade
Working as programmer for year and 3 months and i'm glad that my biggest mistake for this time was making 28H8 hole instead of 26H8 (metric sys), that happend because i was inconcentrated. Thanks god this was insignificant part. Also better have your tolerance on plot with just numbers than with quality designation:) Double, triple and n-checking is the way to success
Barry, I'll be passing this along in my future training experiences, thanks guys for not only the free education but for the immensive detail all of you talk about in your vids!! Thank you for what u do !!!
Being a machinists means you never stop learning, there are always new ways and or better/faster ways to complete a job and this industry never sleeps.
I understand that very well. I've crashed a machine and I thought I was going to have a hear attack. No one wants to make mistakes or scrape a part/parts. But I think it's a part of the learning purpose. Learning and become a better machinist. Mistakes happen, it's a part of life. Learn and move forward
I've crashed a few at my shop, all older machines. Funniest one was with a bar feeding lathe, I reset the program for a part in the middle of it's cycle and when i went to start the machine the part stop hit the extended bar and the bar feeder started feeding so the bar was coming out curved lul scared me half to death when it was happening lul
Learning how to be a machinist now coming from engineering. Everything is spot on in this video. I just learned after a machine control fault that you need to make sure a 5 axis machine goes back to rotation zero before restarting. 3/4 of a degree off makes a no good cavity!
Thanks buddy! Really appreciate your help! Never make the same mistake twice ever! And the only mistakes which be made must be new ones which should not deserve firing!
Awesome video! Automation happens, if you claim to have never made a mistake, then you're either not learning and/or are the shadow of the person doing all the work. I think one of the biggest road blocks of our trade are people who have no clue what's involved with producing a quality part from start to finish, especially if they're your assigned leaders. Can't forget temperature fluctuations! My biggest tight tolerance nemesis.
I did a job once with some semi-tight tolerances in brass (long hole drilling). Temperature fluctuations worked in our favor there, since you could drill it dry, then after a few hours when it cooled down you'd just put a hand reamer through it to reach spec, since the holes would shrink about 0.03-0.06mm after cooling down.
It's content like this that makes me want to quit my day job and come be an unpaid apprentice in this shop for a few years... Keep up the amazing content!
I'm in the IT industry.. I can really relate to all you are saying.. all the videos you guys put out are of good quality.. love your content Thank you very much for this video's as I'm taking home alot. I should be disciplined in my trade and strive for greatness
I once broke the software in the control of a HAAS VMC. To fix it required a tech to come in, reinstall the software and set the control back up to where it was before. The error, I accidentally put a letter in the filename instead of just numbers.
Hands down! My worst crash I switched a tool number for a job I set up on day shift, when I didn’t get that jobs 1st off I had to put a proven job back in and forgot I switched the tool. I sent a $3000 boring bar in that was an endmill In the proven program. I heard the crash and came out of quality and the operator was standing at the machine with his hands up and the machine was just smoking. It totally sucked bad. That was my first and my worst probably. But like he says won’t be my last. Needless to say I never did that again!!!
NC programming is THE hardest job in any shop! Thats why it pays the most and it takes a special kind of nut to sit in front of a CAD/CAM system for 8/10/12 hours and not go crazy. All of the mfg. jobs in a shop (QC/QA/Planning/Procurement/Estimation/Contracts/Machinist/Tooling/Raw Mat'l/HR/Accounting) are all easier (less demanding and less stressful) than programming. Another thing...a good programmer HAS to be able to know how to do not only programming but the jobs of machining/tooling/cutters/Mat'l...pretty much all of the mfg processes. Any good programmer in todays modern industries doing multi axis HSM should be making $80K-$140K per 2080 hour work year IMHO. One things for certain...a shops scrap rate is inversely proportional to the experience/talent of the programmers.
im a aerospace prototype mfg engineer cutting inconels mar-m titanium on a daily basis, i can draw the iron-carbon phase diagram freehanded and my last mistake almost scrapped a multiple hundreds of dollars of part, thankfully our operator saw it coming and stopped the $2M machine and called me to evaluate... things like that can happen to everyone
The most costly pricing mistake of all time happened in December 2005 when the Mizuho Securities Co., a division of the second-largest national bank in Japan, attempted to sell shares of a recruiting company on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. Instead of offering single shares for 610,000 yen apiece, a typing error led to the sale of 610,000 shares for 1 yen apiece. In less than one day the company lost nearly $340 million.
I messed up on a dang prototrak a few times. Just recently was kissing around the outside of a part to bring it to size. Slowly telling the machine that the tool is smaller than before. Then I accidentally made my .5 tool into a .05 tool, taking a 2.5” deep 3/4 cutter width cut strait into a pretty big part. This was a HSS bit on a Bridgeport so the fact the tool survived was pretty impressive.
I can say with a high degree of confidence that I have become a better machinist by reworking/repairing my mistakes. Don't get me wrong, I hate making mistakes, but there are valuable lessons that can really only be learned by experiencing them first hand.
Ha, I'm about 4yrs in on a VF2, and truly at times I don't wanna make a mistake, but it happens. Definitely sucks but only way to learn is attention to details and maybe having a notebook to correct your mistake or some kind of data sheet. I'm enjoying it. Alot to digest through these years with it.
Started off on what's called the VAS 3M Amerki Seki, then proceeded to do well with and then moved onto the Haas VF2, been a wild ride! so far. Milling can be sometimes tricky, I seriously take my time with it. Also ...never assume*.
Barry well said, perseverance pays off when you are in the Zone, I've seen the best FIGJAM's come undone & don't forget about the Dross factor. Titan keep on Booming ON
I was making some serial parts and I had to let one of the Endmills run again bc the diameter was to small for the second op's jig. So I changed palets again ran threw the PGM-Head (Usually the preset is loaded in there) and of course it wasnt. I was sure it was there bc its our standards and I ran the endmill straight into the part scraping the part and also breaking the machine. I dont know how much the parts cost but they were big castiron parts. The parts and the time it took to repair the machine where about 20-30k. I'll never forget that anymore I will always and always from now on tripple check everything before I use programms I didnt write.
Used to have a competition with the night shift to not make a bad part from set up. Had to also get it done faster than required. Did fine for months until I got a program from a new programer. Nothing broke but tool path was wrong. Missed the line that was wrong. My fault since I was supposed to catch it. Can't always blame a programmer when you have the ultimate responsibility
I got into a debate on LinkedIn with a man and he said he never made a mistake in his machining career(which I didn't believe) so we got into a back and forth debate. In my opinion everyone makes mistakes in life but if you are a machinist/programmer you are definitely going to make mistakes(you don't mean to it's just called being a human). I came to the conclusion that he was full of BS and wasn't a machinist. If you don't make mistakes how can you possibly learn? I wish I could work with you barry and pick your brain because you are brilliant at your job. One of the best machinists on planet earth keep up the good work barry.
You can only learn from your misstakes. If someone says he never made a misstake in xx years of work, he is full of BS or just blame other ppl for their fault.
Hahaha, that guy is probably the janitor at his machine shop. His “machining career” requires no machining, only mopping 😂😂😂😂 Thanks for watching, buddy!!!
Once I had a "typo" situation. I worked on small part hold by two tall pressure plates. It was supposed to be machined from two opposed sides. The guy who wrote program for it for me in powermill confidently send tool between those holding plates instead over them because simulation showed him tool path drawn as stright line between end of first path and start of the other. I was like "yeah right..." when I looked at this, but said nothing since I knew little about CAM. As I suspected the tool didn't go as simulation predicted and went directly toward pressure plate because machine was programmed to use G0 to move, which as non-interpolated never moves in stright line. Fortunately nothind bad happened because I watched it all the time.
Crashing a machine and scrapping a part is not the worst thing that can happen. The worst thing is seeing your friend and co-worker's hand broken and ripped open, blood sprayed everywhere, flesh, pieces of tendons. That was over 20 years ago, and it still makes me feel nauseated. That is something that stays with you forever.
There are ways to prevent mistakes. Programs and settings should be tamed into the habit of always checking three times.This alone can reduce many mistakes.
I remember my first machinist job. I had just gotten off an old Bridgeport CNC running crap jobs to a haas running some aerospace parts. I was checking the program and had the spindle running with a 3 inch facemill. My elbow hit the hand wheel and i smashed the facemill Into the hard jaws. Pulled slivers of metal out of my arm for a week. Not all my mistakes have been programming mistakes😂😂
@@barrysetzer yes sir! Also the first time I got screamed at by a boss😂 now with my own business I crash or fat finger the program, I'm yelling at myself!
Just like with riding motorcycles, there are those who have crashed and those who will. Accountability and willingness to learn make all the difference
I had my fun squaring a block. I didn't tighten my vise good enough and I was taking .200in cut with a 4in facemill and that sucker roll across the 12ft table at night shift like a crap table. The only other machinist at night was looking at me because it hit the left side of the machine with a thud.
I defined the wrong dimension on a end mill, it should be 16mm but I defined it as 12mm. I used the correct feed and speed for a 16mm. when I realized the error and stopped the machine the part was too small. it's annoying how easy it is to make mistakes like this when you have a lot of pressure with your boss hanging over you to finish quickly
The only people that don't make mistakes while on the job are people that don't work in the first place. Everybody makes mistakes, and you just gotta live with that fact.
I had a typo issue not long after I got into the industry. I had a Varimill that I wanted to program at .008 IPT. It got plugged in at .08 IPT. Now fortunately, this was such a stupid thing that the tool just instantly popped off right at the holder. So all told, the damage was just one nice new endmill. That was about 18-19 years ago now, and I’m still paranoid about typos! Lol
The customer often provides the material and wants the chips back after machining. In those cases, the costumer will provide the container to return the chips in - 55gal drums are easy to ship.
@@joshua43214 ah okay, thank you for that insight! we only have those containers to deal with at the machines and the big ones at the back to dump everything in. but we build machines from start to finish thought so no customer supply there besides test material for the classifier machines.
I had a programmer hand me the wrong variation of a program. It was the same part from spirit airlines. Their was 13 different variation. Well he got fired for giving me -11 holes for a -8 program and repeat this twice. At one point I had to save a copy on the company laptop just in case he started lying. However, those 1st batch of parts failed the Ultrasonic test due to the heat treating process. I quit that company because 12hr shift 6 days a week, below the average CNC machinist wage wasn't worth it.
Once when i was programing one of the welding robots instead of typing 20 cm/min "feed" i typed 2 and by the time i realized it just drilled a hole in the part.
I’ve made mistakes. But one place I worked the operators would edit the programs, crash the machine, then blame me. I had to set up a password protected file to save the programs I sent out so if there was a problem I could compare programs. I had to prove to the boss many times it was not my mistake. He didn’t believe me. He said I fixed the program before showing it to him. So I let him set the password for the protected folder. Next several times it happened he still blamed me even though I had proof. I only lasted two months at that place before walking out.
Scraped a 600 dollar bronze casting just the other week by getting distracted. On a manual lathe it happens. Sucks but I explained to my boss long before this happened throughout my 15 year career I've always made scrap from time to time but to the amount of 1% or less. The only bad part is I cannot tell you which the 1% might be might be the 1 dollar material or might be the 1000 dollar part.
open house may 82. On Bridgeport nc machine. I typed 2,000. Instead of 2.000. Crashed in from of my parents. And got ass chewed in front of them. I run manual to this day.
Sent a tool straight through a several thousand dollar part screwing up a go home command with G0 G91 G28 Z0. If I remember correctly I forgot the G91.
Those who haven’t fucked up haven’t done fuck all. I can personally attest the difference between 8,000 mm/min and 80,000 mm/min is whether you have clean underwear anymore.
We all make mistakes. When a machinist makes a mistake you can't press the reset button or spell check. It's gut wrenching when it happens but you have to pick yourself up and learn from it. Just remember this... a piece of metal is just a lump of scrap until a machinist adds value by turning it into a valuable component
I've f*cked a couple of parts up, but nothing "severe" like that. Most of my mishaps were saved by welding/additive manufacturing, so it's not like I've had to throw out any of the $20,000 parts I've had my hands on lately. A lot of my tasks consist of repairing broken parts in injection molding tools or simply making changes to already completed parts, because the customer has asked for a change after they've been running their tests on the tools. Scrapping a part after it's been through lathes, mills, hardening, finishing, grinding, and EDM is *the worst* - so I'm usually very careful about checking my programs and setups.
I find it easier to catch mistakes if I also make the program from ground up. Doing first time set-ups to unproofed programs is something I am starting to get fed up with.
Oh yes, I had this yesterday :-( A real nice typo. I was sure i typed it in right. But after running the part, Bingo! A nice job went up in smoke Oh man, what i'm gonna tell my Boss Tomorrow 🥴.
Ah heck, I crashed a tool holder with a program that was perfectly fine! I ran the program on graph with the machine locked. I checked the tool path, all was well until we started the machine for real this time and guess what!,,, I left the DRY RUN button on!!! Oh, that sound of the crush boom bam was so cringeworthy. A quick glance at the console and the light was just staring back at me. I was so glad I didn't damage the machine or the part! our tool holders are only about $1000 dollars, whew!! LOL A real quick reminder of just how much power servo motors have!!! they have NO MERCY to obstructions or your mistakes!
If your not making an occasional mistake you are not working hard enough. I had a very routine configuration setup I have have several dozen times but I saw some notes from another engineer that used a set of different commands for the same thing. So I said maybe an old dog can learn something new. Oops I missed one line of the command. FAIL to down a customer's network and had to reprogram the entire configuration from scratch. No harm done in the long run. Without failure there's no learning
Imagine if your a doctor? How many people do they let you bury until they fire you? (I passed gas for 28 years and I killed a few along the way. Not many, but here and there. Never could prove it.)
2:15 theres the giant stupid round piece that was asked of us how to hold, if we saw that, we would know exactly how to go about it, but becuase we didnt have jack squat we just randomly told you dumb things to try to hold that part.
[06/01/22] Just a couple of tongue-in-cheek questions for y'all: (1) Does Titan make machinist position candidates pass auditions as part of the interview process? (2) Do the machinists get paid extra, or get paid bonuses when they narrate, or appear on camera in videos??
I'm probably never going to make the mistake of not tightening the vise or fixture Ever since i nearly got killed by someone forgetting it in school, i always double or triple check.
Those shops are out there you make one mistake and you're fired. Then the owner of the company can't figure out why he can't find good people. Because they're all working for other shops that know to error is human, just learn from your mistakes. Yup, been there crashed a 100hp lathe in full rapid. Ripped the tool block right off the turret and it went through the front door of the machine. The setup man and me were on the floor taking cover after, looking at each other in shock wondering what the heck happened. Brand new machine and it had an error in the parameters from the factory. Try explaining that to a GM that knows nothing about CNC machining other than the fact you just crashed a brand new million dollar machine. 💦
I run 2 150hp roll lathes and I can agree that the power of those machines will smash tool holders like they are a warm stick of butter!! and here too like you very few here actually know how to run these machines, that can be very aggravating when a problem arises!
Lol its funny how many comments ive gotten in the last year telling me “I WOULD FIRE YOU if I saw what you did in this video in MY shop.” Well, your loss!!!
Ya, one guy ony youtube commented, something like, in 5 years ive never made a mistake. i called total b.s. on that. ive crashed my fair share of machines, but when companies want shit fast you can easily make a mistake.
Only those who do nothing are not mistaken. Congratulations on your knowledge and skills. Greetings from Poland
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Greetings from the USA! Send love to the citizens of Poland from team Titan! 🤙
I have always thought of the heads popping up after a crash as looking like prairie dogs. Everything thing you described is accurate, true and relatable. Thanks for sharing.
This is the most accurate statement about machining. Well done.
I can totally relate, I'm a carpenter....Once I cut a door casing too short...So I got another piece...I'm seeing a therapist...:D....I have close friends that were machinist, I've heard the stories...I live really close to Boeing Vertol too...The tolerances you guys work with, are CRAZY...Good health and healthy sales to you and yours...
Hello, My name is Rolf, I worked as a lathe operator in a shipyard in Germany for almost 30 years and sometimes also on a CNC machine, but what you do on the CNC machines in the USA is magic, just great. Greetings from Germany.
It crazy to look back now and it makes me feel old but I learned programming on an NC paper tape Pratt & Whitney. We used a literal "type writer" that had a paper punch rig that sat to the right of the keyboard punching hole into a paper tape back then a "type O" was on a completely different level. Fortunately the machine rapid rates weren't exactly scary. In one lifetime we went from emptying a dish of the little paper chads to programming and running simulations of program before we even make a chip. Thank you guys for promoting the trade
Working as programmer for year and 3 months and i'm glad that my biggest mistake for this time was making 28H8 hole instead of 26H8 (metric sys), that happend because i was inconcentrated. Thanks god this was insignificant part. Also better have your tolerance on plot with just numbers than with quality designation:) Double, triple and n-checking is the way to success
Barry, I'll be passing this along in my future training experiences, thanks guys for not only the free education but for the immensive detail all of you talk about in your vids!! Thank you for what u do !!!
Thanks for watching, Lyn!
Great video. No one likes to make mistakes, but they happen. Learn from them.
Man you could not have explained that any better. Well done
I probably COULD have, but people would have gotten bored and stopped listening 😂
Being a machinists means you never stop learning, there are always new ways and or better/faster ways to complete a job and this industry never sleeps.
This is some great advice for every industry, not just machinists
With time comes knowledge. With knowledge comes fewer "OH SH*T!" moments. You will still have them but, they become fewer and further between...
I understand that very well. I've crashed a machine and I thought I was going to have a hear attack. No one wants to make mistakes or scrape a part/parts. But I think it's a part of the learning purpose. Learning and become a better machinist. Mistakes happen, it's a part of life. Learn and move forward
I've crashed a few at my shop, all older machines. Funniest one was with a bar feeding lathe, I reset the program for a part in the middle of it's cycle and when i went to start the machine the part stop hit the extended bar and the bar feeder started feeding so the bar was coming out curved lul scared me half to death when it was happening lul
Learning how to be a machinist now coming from engineering. Everything is spot on in this video. I just learned after a machine control fault that you need to make sure a 5 axis machine goes back to rotation zero before restarting. 3/4 of a degree off makes a no good cavity!
Thanks buddy! Really appreciate your help! Never make the same mistake twice ever! And the only mistakes which be made must be new ones which should not deserve firing!
Awesome video! Automation happens, if you claim to have never made a mistake, then you're either not learning and/or are the shadow of the person doing all the work.
I think one of the biggest road blocks of our trade are people who have no clue what's involved with producing a quality part from start to finish, especially if they're your assigned leaders. Can't forget temperature fluctuations! My biggest tight tolerance nemesis.
I did a job once with some semi-tight tolerances in brass (long hole drilling). Temperature fluctuations worked in our favor there, since you could drill it dry, then after a few hours when it cooled down you'd just put a hand reamer through it to reach spec, since the holes would shrink about 0.03-0.06mm after cooling down.
It's content like this that makes me want to quit my day job and come be an unpaid apprentice in this shop for a few years... Keep up the amazing content!
Hahaha i must admit, having Titan as my boss and as the CEO makes life a WHOLE lot easier.
I'm in the IT industry.. I can really relate to all you are saying.. all the videos you guys put out are of good quality.. love your content
Thank you very much for this video's as I'm taking home alot. I should be disciplined in my trade and strive for greatness
Very nicely explained, mistakes are part and parcel part of the learning/development process.
I once broke the software in the control of a HAAS VMC. To fix it required a tech to come in, reinstall the software and set the control back up to where it was before. The error, I accidentally put a letter in the filename instead of just numbers.
Lol some machines can be so sensitive to inputs
Hands down! My worst crash I switched a tool number for a job I set up on day shift, when I didn’t get that jobs 1st off I had to put a proven job back in and forgot I switched the tool. I sent a $3000 boring bar in that was an endmill In the proven program. I heard the crash and came out of quality and the operator was standing at the machine with his hands up and the machine was just smoking. It totally sucked bad. That was my first and my worst probably. But like he says won’t be my last. Needless to say I never did that again!!!
NC programming is THE hardest job in any shop! Thats why it pays the most and it takes a special kind of nut to sit in front of a CAD/CAM system for 8/10/12 hours and not go crazy. All of the mfg. jobs in a shop (QC/QA/Planning/Procurement/Estimation/Contracts/Machinist/Tooling/Raw Mat'l/HR/Accounting) are all easier (less demanding and less stressful) than programming. Another thing...a good programmer HAS to be able to know how to do not only programming but the jobs of machining/tooling/cutters/Mat'l...pretty much all of the mfg processes. Any good programmer in todays modern industries doing multi axis HSM should be making $80K-$140K per 2080 hour work year IMHO. One things for certain...a shops scrap rate is inversely proportional to the experience/talent of the programmers.
Absolute truth!!!
im a aerospace prototype mfg engineer cutting inconels mar-m titanium on a daily basis, i can draw the iron-carbon phase diagram freehanded and my last mistake almost scrapped a multiple hundreds of dollars of part, thankfully our operator saw it coming and stopped the $2M machine and called me to evaluate... things like that can happen to everyone
Most don't usually make the same mistake. But there are so many more things that can go wrong....
Last phase is the best blessing for me in like 10 years of maching
The most costly pricing mistake of all time happened in December 2005 when the Mizuho Securities Co., a division of the second-largest national bank in Japan, attempted to sell shares of a recruiting company on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. Instead of offering single shares for 610,000 yen apiece, a typing error led to the sale of 610,000 shares for 1 yen apiece. In less than one day the company lost nearly $340 million.
Thats actually very interesting, and worse than my mishap from this video 😂
That was the deal of the century. I would have loved to have bought those shares.
44 years and retired. Loved it every day.
I messed up on a dang prototrak a few times. Just recently was kissing around the outside of a part to bring it to size. Slowly telling the machine that the tool is smaller than before. Then I accidentally made my .5 tool into a .05 tool, taking a 2.5” deep 3/4 cutter width cut strait into a pretty big part. This was a HSS bit on a Bridgeport so the fact the tool survived was pretty impressive.
I can say with a high degree of confidence that I have become a better machinist by reworking/repairing my mistakes. Don't get me wrong, I hate making mistakes, but there are valuable lessons that can really only be learned by experiencing them first hand.
Ha, I'm about 4yrs in on a VF2, and truly at times I don't wanna make a mistake, but it happens. Definitely sucks but only way to learn is attention to details and maybe having a notebook to correct your mistake or some kind of data sheet. I'm enjoying it. Alot to digest through these years with it.
Not Ha* it's funny, Ha as in cool video, just to be corrected lol
And youll never stop learning, unless you choose to!
Started off on what's called the VAS 3M Amerki Seki, then proceeded to do well with and then moved onto the Haas VF2, been a wild ride! so far. Milling can be sometimes tricky, I seriously take my time with it. Also ...never assume*.
You are a machinist and a wordsmith.
Very inspirational Barry. Thanks!
Yes sir! Thanks for watching!
Barry well said, perseverance pays off when you are in the Zone, I've seen the best FIGJAM's come undone & don't forget about the Dross factor. Titan keep on Booming ON
I was making some serial parts and I had to let one of the Endmills run again bc the diameter was to small for the second op's jig. So I changed palets again ran threw the PGM-Head (Usually the preset is loaded in there) and of course it wasnt. I was sure it was there bc its our standards and I ran the endmill straight into the part scraping the part and also breaking the machine. I dont know how much the parts cost but they were big castiron parts. The parts and the time it took to repair the machine where about 20-30k. I'll never forget that anymore I will always and always from now on tripple check everything before I use programms I didnt write.
Used to have a competition with the night shift to not make a bad part from set up. Had to also get it done faster than required. Did fine for months until I got a program from a new programer. Nothing broke but tool path was wrong. Missed the line that was wrong. My fault since I was supposed to catch it. Can't always blame a programmer when you have the ultimate responsibility
Glad you were able to catch that bad boy with your bare hands as it blew thru the glass door window.
Yes thankfully ive been a machinist for a long time, and the impeller was no match for my calloused skin 😂
Straight out from the Bible, my friend. Great speech! Absolutely true.
I got into a debate on LinkedIn with a man and he said he never made a mistake in his machining career(which I didn't believe) so we got into a back and forth debate. In my opinion everyone makes mistakes in life but if you are a machinist/programmer you are definitely going to make mistakes(you don't mean to it's just called being a human). I came to the conclusion that he was full of BS and wasn't a machinist. If you don't make mistakes how can you possibly learn?
I wish I could work with you barry and pick your brain because you are brilliant at your job. One of the best machinists on planet earth keep up the good work barry.
That's why they put erasers on pencils!
You can only learn from your misstakes. If someone says he never made a misstake in xx years of work, he is full of BS or just blame other ppl for their fault.
Hahaha, that guy is probably the janitor at his machine shop. His “machining career” requires no machining, only mopping 😂😂😂😂 Thanks for watching, buddy!!!
Once I had a "typo" situation. I worked on small part hold by two tall pressure plates. It was supposed to be machined from two opposed sides. The guy who wrote program for it for me in powermill confidently send tool between those holding plates instead over them because simulation showed him tool path drawn as stright line between end of first path and start of the other. I was like "yeah right..." when I looked at this, but said nothing since I knew little about CAM. As I suspected the tool didn't go as simulation predicted and went directly toward pressure plate because machine was programmed to use G0 to move, which as non-interpolated never moves in stright line. Fortunately nothind bad happened because I watched it all the time.
Own it and keep moving forward
This machinist experience translates to life in general.
I double checked the cutting data on the 1:10 part. The fz is almost 3x higher than the recommended starting value.
Getting after it :)
How we DOOOOOO IIIIIIT! 😂
Well said. Thank you.
I’ve seen a bit of people not owning their mistakes. Very annoying. I always owned mine, and learned how to fix it.
That is the key. Learn from mistakes and make sure it doesn't happen again.
Crashing a machine and scrapping a part is not the worst thing that can happen. The worst thing is seeing your friend and co-worker's hand broken and ripped open, blood sprayed everywhere, flesh, pieces of tendons. That was over 20 years ago, and it still makes me feel nauseated. That is something that stays with you forever.
There are ways to prevent mistakes. Programs and settings should be tamed into the habit of always checking three times.This alone can reduce many mistakes.
Yeah, especially with the massive parts you machine all the time 😁
I remember my first machinist job. I had just gotten off an old Bridgeport CNC running crap jobs to a haas running some aerospace parts. I was checking the program and had the spindle running with a 3 inch facemill. My elbow hit the hand wheel and i smashed the facemill Into the hard jaws. Pulled slivers of metal out of my arm for a week. Not all my mistakes have been programming mistakes😂😂
Lol OWWWW! Meh, bleeding is good for you.
@@barrysetzer yes sir! Also the first time I got screamed at by a boss😂 now with my own business I crash or fat finger the program, I'm yelling at myself!
Damn. Best video yet.
Just like with riding motorcycles, there are those who have crashed and those who will. Accountability and willingness to learn make all the difference
If you ride, at least dirtbikes anyway, its not a question of if, but when you will crash.
I had my fun squaring a block. I didn't tighten my vise good enough and I was taking .200in cut with a 4in facemill and that sucker roll across the 12ft table at night shift like a crap table. The only other machinist at night was looking at me because it hit the left side of the machine with a thud.
I defined the wrong dimension on a end mill, it should be 16mm but I defined it as 12mm. I used the correct feed and speed for a 16mm. when I realized the error and stopped the machine the part was too small.
it's annoying how easy it is to make mistakes like this when you have a lot of pressure with your boss hanging over you to finish quickly
Same happend to me too a lot of times, most of the times was not my fault luckly
The thumbnail for this video is hilarious. Exactly as I would picture it from the story being told at the end of that long day over a beer.
There's only 2 kinds of machinists...
Machinists that have crashed, and Machinists that LIE about crashing.
Live and learn Holmes.💯
someone I worked with drove our accessory head into the bed before...£250,000 in damage
Great vid man...u guys are the best
The only people that don't make mistakes while on the job are people that don't work in the first place. Everybody makes mistakes, and you just gotta live with that fact.
I had a typo issue not long after I got into the industry. I had a Varimill that I wanted to program at .008 IPT. It got plugged in at .08 IPT. Now fortunately, this was such a stupid thing that the tool just instantly popped off right at the holder. So all told, the damage was just one nice new endmill. That was about 18-19 years ago now, and I’m still paranoid about typos! Lol
Hahaha typos are the worst.
is there a reason why you use those bins instead of proper chip bins that can be emptied with a forklift and a pull of a string?
The customer often provides the material and wants the chips back after machining. In those cases, the costumer will provide the container to return the chips in - 55gal drums are easy to ship.
@@joshua43214 ah okay, thank you for that insight!
we only have those containers to deal with at the machines and the big ones at the back to dump everything in.
but we build machines from start to finish thought so no customer supply there besides test material for the classifier machines.
I had a programmer hand me the wrong variation of a program. It was the same part from spirit airlines. Their was 13 different variation. Well he got fired for giving me -11 holes for a -8 program and repeat this twice. At one point I had to save a copy on the company laptop just in case he started lying. However, those 1st batch of parts failed the Ultrasonic test due to the heat treating process. I quit that company because 12hr shift 6 days a week, below the average CNC machinist wage wasn't worth it.
Once when i was programing one of the welding robots instead of typing 20 cm/min "feed" i typed 2 and by the time i realized it just drilled a hole in the part.
"Don't you just load the cad file and hit the cam button?" haha I've heard it plenty of times too....
I’ve made mistakes. But one place I worked the operators would edit the programs, crash the machine, then blame me. I had to set up a password protected file to save the programs I sent out so if there was a problem I could compare programs. I had to prove to the boss many times it was not my mistake. He didn’t believe me. He said I fixed the program before showing it to him. So I let him set the password for the protected folder. Next several times it happened he still blamed me even though I had proof. I only lasted two months at that place before walking out.
Sounds like you were lucky to get out so quick!
Scraped a 600 dollar bronze casting just the other week by getting distracted. On a manual lathe it happens. Sucks but I explained to my boss long before this happened throughout my 15 year career I've always made scrap from time to time but to the amount of 1% or less. The only bad part is I cannot tell you which the 1% might be might be the
1 dollar material or might be the 1000 dollar part.
open house may 82. On Bridgeport nc machine. I typed 2,000. Instead of 2.000. Crashed in from of my parents. And got ass chewed in front of them. I run manual to this day.
my favorite is moving a decimal point in your z depth
What is "a mistake"?
I am unfamiliar with this terminology :-)
Tool breakage also happens in press brakes because of a decimal point error on the depth setting I have seen it happen prairie dog here
Yep missed a decimal and ran my tap and tool holder into the top of my part
Lol
Sent a tool straight through a several thousand dollar part screwing up a go home command with G0 G91 G28 Z0. If I remember correctly I forgot the G91.
Those who haven’t fucked up haven’t done fuck all. I can personally attest the difference between 8,000 mm/min and 80,000 mm/min is whether you have clean underwear anymore.
We all make mistakes. When a machinist makes a mistake you can't press the reset button or spell check.
It's gut wrenching when it happens but you have to pick yourself up and learn from it.
Just remember this... a piece of metal is just a lump of scrap until a machinist adds value by turning it into a valuable component
Great video Well put
im not ingener but i like your videos because i learn cnc machine
I've f*cked a couple of parts up, but nothing "severe" like that.
Most of my mishaps were saved by welding/additive manufacturing, so it's not like I've had to throw out any of the $20,000 parts I've had my hands on lately.
A lot of my tasks consist of repairing broken parts in injection molding tools or simply making changes to already completed parts, because the customer has asked for a change after they've been running their tests on the tools.
Scrapping a part after it's been through lathes, mills, hardening, finishing, grinding, and EDM is *the worst* - so I'm usually very careful about checking my programs and setups.
I find it easier to catch mistakes if I also make the program from ground up. Doing first time set-ups to unproofed programs is something I am starting to get fed up with.
The groundhog comment is so true 😆
Oh yes, I had this yesterday :-(
A real nice typo.
I was sure i typed it in right.
But after running the part, Bingo!
A nice job went up in smoke
Oh man, what i'm gonna tell my Boss Tomorrow 🥴.
Hopefully you sent him this video, THEN talked to him LOL
an error is first a mistake when you choose not to learn from it.
wonderful video,, very inspiring
I love Solidworks
A trade where mistyping one of these "0" (zero) can nearly bankrupt you.
Yea, nice jobs we have
Ah heck, I crashed a tool holder with a program that was perfectly fine! I ran the program on graph with the machine locked. I checked the tool path, all was well until we started the machine for real this time and guess what!,,, I left the DRY RUN button on!!! Oh, that sound of the crush boom bam was so cringeworthy. A quick glance at the console and the light was just staring back at me. I was so glad I didn't damage the machine or the part! our tool holders are only about $1000 dollars, whew!! LOL A real quick reminder of just how much power servo motors have!!! they have NO MERCY to obstructions or your mistakes!
It made my day when you said 20 heads peaked out from every direction from behind the machines like ground hogs!
If your not making an occasional mistake you are not working hard enough. I had a very routine configuration setup I have have several dozen times but I saw some notes from another engineer that used a set of different commands for the same thing. So I said maybe an old dog can learn something new. Oops I missed one line of the command. FAIL to down a customer's network and had to reprogram the entire configuration from scratch. No harm done in the long run. Without failure there's no learning
Experience is what you get, when you don't get what you want
I work in a fab shop. Mistakes are made and the only thing you can do is pickup the pieces and make it right
Imagine if your a doctor? How many people do they let you bury until they fire you?
(I passed gas for 28 years and I killed a few along the way. Not many, but here and there.
Never could prove it.)
2:15 theres the giant stupid round piece that was asked of us how to hold, if we saw that, we would know exactly how to go about it, but becuase we didnt have jack squat we just randomly told you dumb things to try to hold that part.
[06/01/22] Just a couple of tongue-in-cheek questions for y'all: (1) Does Titan make machinist position candidates pass auditions as part of the interview process? (2) Do the machinists get paid extra, or get paid bonuses when they narrate, or appear on camera in videos??
ha damn you need to talk to some of my bosses ha. love this video
Lol, send them the link 😂
great video 👍
I think I'm pretty lucky for not having to deal with assholes as I have a combined job as a machinist and engineer (working in r&d at a university)
Nice to see some humble pie being served. I've eaten my fair share.
I am like the Gordon Ramsey of preparing humble pie, and serving it to myself 😂
@@barrysetzer you and me both, brother
Good stuff.
I'm probably never going to make the mistake of not tightening the vise or fixture
Ever since i nearly got killed by someone forgetting it in school, i always double or triple check.
Probably :)
And they wonder why I keep resisting management push to allow our designers draftsmen to program our machines until they put time
On the machines
Those shops are out there you make one mistake and you're fired. Then the owner of the company can't figure out why he can't find good people. Because they're all working for other shops that know to error is human, just learn from your mistakes.
Yup, been there crashed a 100hp lathe in full rapid. Ripped the tool block right off the turret and it went through the front door of the machine. The setup man and me were on the floor taking cover after, looking at each other in shock wondering what the heck happened. Brand new machine and it had an error in the parameters from the factory. Try explaining that to a GM that knows nothing about CNC machining other than the fact you just crashed a brand new million dollar machine. 💦
I run 2 150hp roll lathes and I can agree that the power of those machines will smash tool holders like they are a warm stick of butter!! and here too like you very few here actually know how to run these machines, that can be very aggravating when a problem arises!
Lol its funny how many comments ive gotten in the last year telling me “I WOULD FIRE YOU if I saw what you did in this video in MY shop.” Well, your loss!!!
Ya, one guy ony youtube commented, something like, in 5 years ive never made a mistake. i called total b.s. on that. ive crashed my fair share of machines, but when companies want shit fast you can easily make a mistake.
Love you 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Well, we love you too 😂