Xtreme Defense Bullets
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- Опубліковано 13 січ 2023
- The New Lehigh Defense facility in NE Texas has the capability of producing 400,000 bullets a week. Machined Copper projectiles are the way of the future and Lehigh Defense has the most innovative designs for terminal performance.
In early 2022 Bill Wilson purchased the assets of Lehigh Defense in Pennsylvania and South Dakota. He immediately began constructing a new plant in northeast Texas. The new 16,800 SFT building operates 21 Swiss CNC machines with more on the way. Expect to see more quality bullets and new innovations.
Website: www.wilsoncombat.com/
Website: www.lehighdefense.com/ - Наука та технологія
So we circled back around to four edged arrows but in bullet form nice
Technically all we’ve done is advance the form of biffing a rock at our enemies.
Its not even impressive.. look up liberty civil defense. They deform and perform twice as well imo
@@KurticeYZ it does what it needs to do just because you don’t like it that’s on you but what you like people will buy what they like
i like this way of putting it, just a more advanced form of tossing a rock at an enemy, lmao@@Runner-fz5qg
@@KurticeYZ Liberty CD bullets area totally different concept entirely and are not somehow the outright superior bullet. They do not perform “twice as well” just because they go much faster than other 9mm. A 50 gr projectile going 2000 fps is nothing to scoff at, that is impressive, but there’s no free lunch. The design of the bullet has inherent drawbacks. For one they aren’t very accurate at even modest range and just don’t hold a tight group. The deep hollowed point design doesn’t offer barrier blindness through different media and while they do penetrate through stuff effectively they arent very consistent. I like the Civil Defense bullets, the terminal ballistic effect is pretty devastating but they dont achieve reliable penetration and instead rely entirely on rapid violent expansion and the fragmenting pieces. It’s definitely a surgeon’s nightmare and looks like a very bad time but not what i would call twice as effective. Pistol calibers rely heavily on penetrating deep enough to hit vital organs, hopefully still carrying a disruptive and destructive effect through them. i dont see that with Civil Defense. They create a ton of damage in a very shallow area and while certainly still very deadly, their effect is much less predictable and ultimately they are just more gimmicky than something like solid copper EHP rounds or traditional JHP.
The 380 Xtreme Defender makes the 380 round a usable option.
You're not fucking kidding I tell you that much. I carry a ruger lcp max in my pocket and 2 spare mags. I'm ready for a shootout at all times. I don't feel inadequately armed at all. I love my set up.
My 380s are usually loaded with Xtreme Defenders. But I switch to Xtreme Penetrators when the heavy winter coats come out.
@@MeMadeItis the necessary though? Bc i feel like you wouldnt need to seitch if you were using 9mm. Is .380 really that much less powerful (im new and trying to learn as much as i can)
@championsgaming1 not everyone can or wants to deal with the recoil of a 9mm, especially a micro 9. With adequate and reliable 380 ammo, you don't have to. Training and confidence is more important than caliber.
380 is deadly enough as is ask any police officer and detective after the .22 the 380 is the next highly used projectile in crimes and lethality is unquestionably there.
The 90 grain xd is VERY soft shooting and makes a water jug explode much more dramatically than any 9mm jhp I've used. I'm super pleased, glad you guys are with Wilson Combat now too!
Agreee, ive been carrying them in my Glock 48, and when I was carrying a .380 Glock 42 i carried the Xtreme Penetrators since .380 JHPs have a tendency to fail to expand, dont have that problem with Xtreme Penetrators, great ammo.
It seems like really darn good ammunition, and well you don't want over-penetration but you don't want under-penetration either. Over 12" is good, I think I saw some results with 18" and apparently .45 ACP JHP tend to penetrate deeper than 147gr 9x19 JHP and the .45 can reach 19" even though it's JHP. So yeah... seems to meet the standards pretty decently. Good performance on gel, maybe a bit more penetration than usual for JHP but if memory serves only half the penetration of a solid copper bullet with no flutes at all, functioning similar to some degree like FMJ probably.
And who is to say that the target is naked or doesn't have some type of cover? Could be someone behind a car door or window sill (whether looking inside or outside) and this copper projectile would likely perform better than JHP that would lose a lot of energy more rapidly and if it got through the barrier to the target then the penetration may be less than 10". So it might not leave the target at all, but if it slowed down enough it might be little more than a flesh wound only reaching an inch or so after going through drywall and nicking a wooden stud on the way. Meanwhile an Xtreme Defense round would retain its shape better and punch deeper.
What was it, Waco? 9mm through an arm, not deep enough to hit heart, shooter went on to kill, the people kill wouldn't have died with a BIT more penetration on the target reaching the heart, thus 10mm, but ow too much ouchie recoil, and so a true Millennial of a fairly close to my age is .40 S&W.
I know people call it Short & Weak instead of Smith & Wesson, but it was the first pistol cartridge I ever fired, and I'm a big fan :) I also had .40s aimed at me, likely .40s, Glocks so probably Glock 22 full-sized or Glock 23 compact.
Not so much of .40 S&W then, I must admit, but hey I don't think you'd like them in that orientation either ;) I prefer to have a nice round bit pointing away from me, and the flat bit with happy little circle facing towards me.
Less, uh, 'bad things happening to me,' that way, and I am PRO that thing and ANTI the opposite of that thing lmao
Got my first handgun this last weekend and just ordered a box of the 90 grain +p XD and the 90 grain XD +p platinum-they sold me on the advertising lol. Doesn’t seem like I’ll be able to get my hands on the range ammo anytime soon, stuff’s always sold out. If my carry rounds are 90 grain ya think i should try and shoot a light round at the range? Lowest fmj I’ve seen is 115 grain, think that’s what I ought to train with?
Try liberty ammo civil defense. You'll be surprised.
My favorite 9 mil round right there baby
These are perfect for the 380 caliber…68g +p….1400fps….
yep these make 380 much more effective.
I am the extreme penatrater!
Hey I remember you, you booked a hotel room for 30 mins and then left. Were all those men your friends?
@@WheelchairKermit friends with benefits
@@mrcaptain3703 ah I see
@@mrcaptain3703 😂😂😂
Are you really?
Perfect 10mm
150g hunter rounds in 10mm
Ingenious Idea, minimum deformation, minimum loss of mass, weight retention for maximum penetration, and still get a great deal of hydrostatic shock affect. 💥💯
What does hydrostatic mean
@@cg-rl1mnwhen you get shot the pressure creates a shock in your body as bullet makes cavity
It means it pushes the soft stuff , up and down, and to the left and to the right all at the same time 😅
@@cg-rl1mn hydrostatic effect only works high velocity bullets at at least 2000-2300 fps and even then is very random and may need multiple shots to achieve. It is mostly consistent on small animals like dogs where the pressure can cause a stroke basically via large air bubble.
These fluted rounds do not rely on this effect. They rely on what's called fluid transfer cutting (like a pressure washer)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_bullet
357 sig can achieve hydrostatic effect with the right brands. 9mm dillon being the stronger version of 357 sig. but don't forget that the effect is not guaranteed.
Historically even 30-40 krag and 303 which is very high fps, had complaints about enemy soldiers on drugs still moving after being shot which lead to the development of "dum dum" expanding rifle bullets, and also why the US went with .45ACP.
Do you think the extreme defender will be too powerful and go through your target, potentially hitting a civilian or family member, that’s why I hear hollow tips are better because they never go through the target they hit. I’m not experienced with bullets at all, I’m looking for someone’s opinion who is more experienced
The ultimate lung blower!
Looks like a great woods round
So you're shooting a giant copper Phillips bit
Makes me wonder as a mechanic if stabbing with a screwdriver would do extra damage than a regular blade 😂
Nice design.
I carry these in my Springfield armory XDM 10MM loaded with xtreame defender rounds 1900fps love lehigh defense ammo only thing I carry in my EDC
Your edc is an Xdm 10 mil.. not uncomfortable?
@RJames-sk6yo it is a bit heavy,especially with the 15 rounds of xtreame defender solid monolithic self-defense rounds from Leigh defence.. but a good holster mitigates that
underwood only sells 1700 fps 10mm.
@jason200912 that's funny because on the box mine planely say 1900fps 🤔
@@kalashnikov4784 i was wrong, my underwood says 1825 fps. Lehigh is 1700 fps. Idk how the heck you got a 1900. That's some luck
Ahh yes, great turtles performance. All hail the great turtle
Fantastic the Defender is a barrier penetrator bar none as far as defence rounds.
Dudes put a damn screwdriver tip onna round...lmao
And it's the best defense ammo you can carry. 9mm 68 grain +p. These things go through soft body armor like butter
@@lennybrewster4673seen a test of xtreame penetrator go through bullet proof glass..
These are badass rounds they preform like he said I've got them in 10mm talk about snappy rounds
@Kalashnikov47 I have NOT seen that yet. Wow. I believe it though, speed/velocity defeats many things.
@lennybrewster4673 the video is here on UA-cam xtreame penetrator vs bullet proof glass using a glock the round goes right through it
Best bullet design on the market bar none! In an extreme violence situation this bullet will get to the CNS (the intended target always) stopping the fight instantly! Hollow points expand putting the breaks on. They rely on exanguination to stop the threat, a much longer process enabling the bad guy to stay in the fight longer!
Over penetration concerns?
Are they sealed, if not why? Genuinely interested
They come in 300 blk?
Getting hit with one of these you’re literally screwed
That was my nickname in highschool
I carry these in my 10mmonly ammo i like
I really want to get my hands on some of the 68gr 357 Sig
Do these rounds have a pleasant aroma?
they are solid copper.....
so possibly?
I’ve heard these don’t feed well on certain popular platforms, is that accurate at all? I don’t want to buy something before I know for sure, especially as a disabled veteran living on limited spendable income. Does anyone know by chance? I’d love to EDC these.
I wondered the same and hope you get an answer to this.
They feed great in everything I have used them in. 32 acp 9mm sig p320 and 9mm sig p365.
I might get some for self defense in the woods.
Get the hard cast buffalo bore for that. These are better for carry.
aren't you gonna be eating the animal in the woods though?
Love your bullets!!!! The controlled chaos is my favorite round.
I love the 9mm +p 68 grain. The recoil is light, and you're getting close to 357 mag ftlbs 489 at the muzzle and 1800 fps look up the ballistic gel test, and it literally explodes
That's powerful for 9mm, but nowhere near 357... 357 is around 700ftlbs
How do they preform as a hunting bullet tho? Push them fast and cause a good wound chanel?
yes but you will have less edible meat because of the massive wound destruction. Expect 1 inch holes for 9mm fluted.
On the bright side, it's solid copper so you won't have to cut away any lead poisoned meat.
I learned something I was a bit confused on these ammo
Can you guys send me a small sample of 9mm and 45acp and maybe 450Bushmaster?
Can you make one in 22 lr?
No
For a .22 you really don't need it. If fired at the chest a .22 can hit all of the major organs at once. It's really fucked up how deadly a .22 is.
@@vitalityfoxthe fudd myths with you guys are getting better and better by the year 🤣
The best round I've seen for 22lr was released last year. CCI uppercut. That's stuff is awesome. It has great expansion and it's designed especially for 2.5 in up to maybe a 5 inch semi auto. Using it in a 10/22 it is basically a flat piece of lead and copper.
I carry these
That first shot into gel was a hollow point
the bear round
I'll never buy them, because I think the prices are extortion... but I really do believe these to be the best self defense rounds to ever exist, especially in .380. It really brings the .380 ACP up to the level of 9mm, probably better than most JHP rounds. That's especially true when it comes to all sorts of hard and soft barriers. They can penetrate almost any normal barrier and continue to penetrate exactly the same as if it didn't even go through a barrier (by normal, I mean soft sheet metal, fleece, leather, glass, dry wall, bone and other similar barriers).
So you believe they are the best but you don't think your (and your loved ones) safety is worth the price?
@@tm1182 No, because there are plenty of other alternatives that are just as deadly. If they were $1000 each would you still be asking me the same question? Cost matters and you can't just say "it's safety", so therefore you can spend limitless money and be extorted for slightly better technology. If you can buy an alarm system that will protect you 99.99% of the time for $100.00... then it's probably not worth paying $20,000 for a system that will protect you 99.991% of the time. "The best" doesn't always mean "worth it" or "worth any cost".
@@deucedeuce1572they are cheaper than critical defense and federal HST’s though…
Underwood ammo make them in a 90gt +P they are $21.38 for 20
@@deucedeuce1572bro the 380s cost less than similar hollow points... What are you smoking. I get em a dollar a round.
Now if I could just get them to feed consistently.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the deformation of a bullet on a target making it punch out all its force on said target is literally what you want since most self defense situations happen within 5 to 10 feet range and at that close a FMJ still has more than enough velocity and power to go through the target
Ps again correct me if I’m wrong trying to learn 😂
you are correct, but depending on caliber size, powder load, range, etc. the hollow point might not fully expand and do its job. the point of this design is that the flutes create a bigger temporary wound cavity than FMJ and dump all the energy more consistently than hollow points
The Defenders are light-for-caliber so they don't over penetrate.
FBI says the average defensive shooting is 7 to 10 YARDS, not feet.
FMJ has more than enough velocity to go through a target at a much greater range.
But that's not you want in a defensive situation. You want the bullet to penetrate deep enough to reach vital areas and dump all it's energy inside the target. If it over penetrates, that's wasted energy.
😊@@MeMadeIt
How is there not a 556 variant of this?
Are the Lehigh and Underwood bullets pretty much the same?
Yes, they are the same.
Lehigh actually makes the bullet that Underwood loads.
That stuff is powerful enough to take your whole head off 😨
I think this would be cool if you made it work for smaller calibers. I'm not sure if this would help with both penetration and wounding characteristics for smaller calibers but it's always worth a shot testing it.
I hear great things about their 380 extreme defender. I myself wouldn't go any smaller than 380 for self defense
32 ACP is the smallest handgun caliber I'm aware of that Lehigh makes bullets.
They have some awesome 32 acp ammo
Thx for the great bullet.. where can I buy these in Canada.. geeesh
Not that far away from sweet grass Montana.. my 10mm is horny 4 these
you can't buy shit in canada. you'll probably be prosecuted for life if you even use a gun in defense.
This bullet made hollowpoints obsolete in my eyes. Only thing I'll carry anymore.
The only thing they need to be heavier 90grain to light for caliber
They make a 115g too in 9mm
Being light is half the point. The faster the bullet goes the more energy it has and the better it's flutes perform.
These bullets cavitate.a much bigger body disruption
Wym by that?
Xtreme defense vs g9???
XD all day
10mm bear killers.
It is good to know the FBI Likes
Does it mess with the barrel at all
No
high velocity by principle will wear out a barrel a little faster if you fire ten thousand rounds of it.
What about rifles? They might could use a helical twist.
Ze flutes do they shoooots.
Liberty Civil Defense 50 Grain +P
Meh
@@rogerwood5228 get hit by one then your meh will change
@user-pv3qh8mo4n don't want to get shot with anything, but penetration sucks with those rounds. I want something that will reliably get to organs and shut them down, not disintegrate in an arm and have nothing left to get into the chest or reliably get into the pelvis for immobilization shots. LCD looks amazing in gel, but you're over compromising for little return.
@@rogerwood5228 seems like you are looking for a round that will execute your perfect hit, good luck with that.
Any defense round will do damage.
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam not perfection, reliability
better than black talon
It's basically a fancy external hollow point
Would this overpenetrate?
What is the 16” FBI regulation for?
It's not a regulation, it's a range of depth in ballistics gel penetration that roughly corelates with penetration in a human target to get to vital organs and not over penetrate.
FBI considers 12" to 18" penetration in gel necessary to reach vital organs from any angle without overpenetration.
Note: Penetration in Gel is NOT the same as in a Body, which is much tougher.
Why not just use a fmj then
fmj doesn't cause massive wound diameters by fluid cutting transfer. these do. FMJ is also useless against 3a armor
G9 ammo copy?
G9 copies Lehigh.
@@MeMadeItno, G9 has the patent for this.
@Anthony-in6kq No, they don't.
Lehigh Defense LLC patents US9829293B2 and D748220S1.
@@MeMadeIt the latter patent is incompatible. With the technology, it’s referred to G9, anything is like this. So no.
@@Anthony-in6kq So YOU say.
Show me the patent# that G9 has.
The big problem is the two guys behind him getting hit.
It doesn’t overpenetrate. The Xtreme penetrator will, the defense doesn’t.
@@garysarratt1 It can though. Not everybody is obese
@@Wolfstanus Sure, it *can*, but all the testing I’ve seen shows absurd consistency, almost always 18” or less. Hollow points become fmj with the slightest debris in the tip unless they tumble.
@@garysarratt1 They can sure, if the hollow point is full of debris to the point it prevents the round from expanding and it's actually fairly rare unless you're trying to action man shoot through dry wall or something. These rounds here? Do not expand at all, the do not deform unless they hit bone and they really don't like to tumble. You are responsible for everything between you and the target and what is behind the target no matter what round you're using.
Also you contradicted yourself. You said it doesn't as in it is impossible and then say it can
@@Wolfstanus It began as hyperbole until you replied; I know nothing works as designed *every* time. I’ve also seen a lot more hp rounds with denim clogged in them zip right through 2 gel blocks. The spinning flutes on the xd give up a lot of energy in moisture due to the resistance of fluid on them. If you miss the bg then sure, any round becomes dangerous to bystanders.
It's a shame they're so damn exspensive...
The extreme penetrator O///O
Connecticut restricts the use of armor-piercing ammo. Is your Extreme Defense 9mm ammo considered or classified as armor-piercing?
No. Not this extreme defender, although The extreme penetrator may be pushing the limit slightly
I feel like you would want it to deform to stop the bullet in the target because that bullet will keep traveling after it goes into the bad guy
It causes destruction from NOT deforming, that's the whole point. The defender series doesn't over penetrate.
They Self defence rounds
The Defenders are light-for-caliber so they don't over penetrate.
it is true, however it's actually the same penetration exactly to the current police standards, HST and gold dot at 18". However after it pierces 1 attacker, the bullet behind will hopefully be too weak to lethally wound someone behind, but will still cause a wound. I do not know how well 18" of gel translates to a human torso.
The best hollowpoint on the market is the DPX/vortac/XPD bullets which are all identical and are able to achieve 13" penetration if your top goal is defense in a crowded area like say a nightclub.
the Lehigh or g9 bullet will cause wounds larger than any hollowpoint.
This is a round for crisis scenarios only like when your target has on some body armor
Winchester makes some pretty darn good looking defensive and hunting rounds. They are often overlooked & under rated but their Hollow points were some of the best performers opening up and flowering and creating some of the ugliest nastiest wound channels.
Yes, but these WAYYYY outperform them.
Ummmm ok.... using these for defensive situations is just begging for over penetration and the resulting lawsuit. 😂 and in addition, the whole purpose of hollow points is to slow down on impact and impart all of its energy reducing the risk of over penetration and increasing damage. These rounds are just dumb and shouldn't be be used for anything other than a fun range day
Did you not watch the video? It does not "over penetrate" this round is also meant to go through hard barriers.
I would carry these exclusively if...they were 124 grain 9mm. I lack confidence in full penetration with the lower weight. For me, momentum is more important than fpe at speeds above 900 fps.
Well guess what? These rely on velocity to work. It's basic physics.
Goes through doors and windshields? Am I correct to assume that this bullet was SPECIFICALLY designed for drive-by shootings?
No
I’m not saying it’s not great, but it lacks the real world reputation of Gold Dot, HST , Ranger or Critical Duty/ Defense
Also, I adore the shape. Would be a fun prank to pass it off as a blank.
What is wrong with you? Nothing funny about that.
I prefer hollow points for self defense. The hollow point expands and should stop in the target/threat if not it has very little energy left. Those rounds overpenetrate making me liable for whom may be beyond my target.
The Defenders are light-for-caliber so they don't over penetrate.
Hollow points can easily fail to expand (from getting clogged and for a multitude of other reasons). These have no such failure point.
Also, you're missing the forest for the trees. The risk of overpenetration is greatly overstated. In any instance where overpenetrating the target and hitting someone else would be a concern, simply missing your target and hitting someone you didn't intend to shoot would be way way way more likely and way way way more dangerous to that person (than a bullet that has already passed through a human body).
Junk
How?
All I heard was over penetration station
The Defenders are light-for-caliber so they don't over penetrate.
@@ericwallace5885 you must didn’t see that wound track through the gel. Literally 2 inches from exiting the gel. Over 5+ inches MORE than other rounds.
@@Dmas8120watch gel test videos on this bullet. They all stay within the fbi penetrarion standard, Einstein
@@Dmas8120ballistic gel doesn't represent actual living bodies...
@@bigjon576 then why does the FBI use it for testing as stand in for living tissue
Phillips screwdriver tip
You're also responsible if your bullet goes through and through and hits or ricochets a non involved person. I'll stick with hollow points.
The Defenders are light-for-caliber so they don't over penetrate.
These LITERALLY don't overpen
How much for a box though??