@@LocsNLoadFirearmReviews, you have a BETTER idea and testing medium to suggest? Perhaps become a volunteer so we can all gain insightful knowledge? Yes?!?
@@LocsNLoadFirearmReviews But Gelatin Test is missing one thing, Hard material, Gelatin is good for simulating penetration of soft tissues, but not good for hard one, such as bones.
Lehigh Defense makes some fantastic ammunition. When I needed the best possible task-specific specialty round for green/blue-water maritime defense use (alligators, other aquatic threats), Lehigh's very own Pete V. worked with me for several days in order to work over usage and threat scenarios. We ultimately concluded the Xtreme Penetrator would best suit my needs, and they have been in my Walther PPQ M2 Navy SD ever since. I will soon be picking up some of the XD ammo. In a world of "gimmick" energy-dump frangibles and tried-and-true hollow points of olde, Lehigh Defense stands out as a reputable class of its own.
These are the most impressive rounds I've ever seen 👏. Some will hate & call this a gimmick, what in the you know what is gimmick about this . A round that avoids hollow point hiccups and performs way better than any I've ever seen personally..😳😉
To be fair, there are A LOT of gimmicks in the gun world. I didn't trust these bullets until I saw data on how they perform in actual tissue. I always kind of assumed they were made to perform well in gel and wouldn't transfer over to real tissue. However, then I saw this: drive.google.com/file/d/1Z6gdk_JdqKkYlUHqABWwb8Bh8dK2rHqo/view In that test, they shoot pig carcasses and then had surgeons and forensic pathologists examine the body. The XD bullets consistently outperformed all hollow points. I don't think there's any doubt left, the only thing holding this ammo back is cost.
The 10mm Variants are hands down the best wilderness rounds I've ever carried in my G20's. I'd like to see some heavier weight pills but MAN do they go through hyde and bone. Hard-Cast lead has nothing on the shaped solid-copper pills.
@@lehighdefensellc9886 There's a lot of hoopla now about products with even trace amounts of lead, especially in California. Thoughts on lead-free copper bullets being a better option for a daily carry?
Great test! I have carried Federal HST 230 grain + P in my full frame Sig Sauer P 220 for years. 7 of us here in SLC, UT now carry the Underwood Extreme Defender 120 grain 45 caliber round. Five (including myself) have a full frame, and two carry a Compact 45 caliber pistol. It would be great to see a Paul Harrell type "meat test".
That spiral! I purchased a .380 for my wife and was worried a .380 would not have the stopping power, but now that I've seen this and a couple of other videos about the Lehigh ammo, I have no more regret.
I've found that the .380 acp xtreme penetrator is excellent for carry in the wintertime, and the xtreme defender in 380 acp to be perfect for summertime in that caliber. It really makes .380 a reliable viable option as a defensive carry pistol. Easy to keep on target for follow up shots out of a pocket gun and very accurate as well up to 25yds. perfect for that type and caliber of pistol.
@@Stu650Zuk wait, you used the 380 Xtreme penetrator on a black bear?? I know someone that carries Lehigh 380 in their LCP max. Is it actually that effective?
@@Stu650Zuk Yikes... That could've gone very differently, very quickly. Glad nothing happened. I've heard 10mm is already a great in-the-woods caliber with standard ammo. Underwood's bullets in 10mm must be devastating.
This video is 4 years old now, but these bullets are still #1 in my book, in my 10mm I carry Xtreme Penetrators and my 9mm uses Xtreme Defense. These bullets are hard to find where I live so you'll have to order them directly from Undewood over the internet. My opinion these bullets are the best.
Great designs Lehigh. Positive reviews everywhere. I'm surprised other companies don't sell a high end non-deforming copper/brass projectile. Maybe they will after losing some of the hollow point market.
I love the Xtreme Defense bullet. The thing that will make me hesitate to engage a threat is the thought of also shooting whatever is behind the threat. I tell ALL my friends to use Xtreme Defense.
If you're afraid of hitting whatever is behind the threat then shouldn't you be much more afraid of the threat moving or something and you missing (which is a lot more likely than the bullet going all the way through the threat and harming some else)?
@@lehighdefensellc9886 I appreciate though despite the heat you've taken on the Xtreme Penetrator that you've stuck with a round that's great for defense against mountain lions and bears. The only 9mm I would ever trust in that role.
In a 9mm 17 round double stack magazine, my chamber round and the first two out of the mag are XD, or Ruger ARX polycase, followed by 15 rounds of 124 or 147 grain Federal HST hollow points, depending on the time of year...124 grain in mild weather, 147 in cooler weather. They don't plug up, collapse, or deform.
OK, as far as I understand the video, the bullet design of the XD works at least as effective as a standard hollow point without any of the no-expanding-problems. That's nice. But because of the design and the hardness of the copper I could imagine that that bullet performs also great after it had to penetrate barriers or bone (e.g. a hog's shoulder blade) because it most probably won't fragmentate or expand and therefore should have a great potential to go deeper and do damage (although it could start to tumble). By just shooting gelatine you might cover some great benefits of the projectile. How do both projectiles perform if they hit a solid animal skull in a critical angle? How much do they tend to deflect compared to standard hollow points? They are relatively light (which should be bad) but are very hard and have edges on the tip (which should be good).
Buffman range or military arms channel (cant remember which) does a test shooting through two sets of pork shoulder, it crackers the bones and still gets 17 inch in the gel, which is the same depth it gets with no barriers
I've been curious about the xtreme defense, but am hesitant to buy them because of one question I have. That question is, "How does the permanent damage shown in the gel manifest itself in human tissue?" In most of my research on terminal ballistics, handgun projectiles are seen to generally do damage by physically running into and crushing tissue. Because human tissue is generally highly elastic, the tissue that is radially projected outward to form the temporary cavity doesn't get permanently destroyed. Obvious exceptions are the more inelastic structures such as bones, the liver, and the brain. These seem to be using something similar to the Munroe Effect, as they use constructive interference to form high pressure/velocity zones near the flute cutouts. Do you have any tests that show these areas generate sufficient pressure to cause a permanent wound cavity in actual body structures they way that they do in ballistics gel? In gel, these show incredible promise to be very accurate and reliable defensive projectiles. Before I'd trust these the way I'd trust some conventional hollowpoints, I'd like my concerns about transfer to be addressed. With a traditional hollowpoint, you still get some gel damage in the first 3-6 inches that expands beyond the diameter of the projectile, but it settles to a permanent crush cavity roughly matching the frontal area of the expanded bullet. You know if a bullet expands to .75", it's going to crush a cavity larger than the unexpanded diameter. With these, we're operating under the assumption that human tissue will show similar permanent cavitation to get a wound with a larger diameter than the projectile itself. If you could give me more information on this concern, I'd appreciate it. I'm pretty interested in the XD, and think your innovation is pretty admirable, I'm just not totally sold yet. Thanks.
Yes, this is why it seems like a very gimmicky ammunition. They developed something that will cause permanent stretch cavity early on in ballistics gel blocks to create maximum presentation in laboratory tests to look impressive and sell bullets, but perhaps not designed to work in real life. You have done a very good job of pointing out the potential flaws, and I fear them to be absolutely right on. Skin can account for 2-4 inches of gel, and small permanent stretch in ballistics gel is no proof there will be permanent tearing in real tissues, especially with low energy projectiles like these. Wither or not these permanent stretches can be recreated in real life scenarios puts the effectiveness of the bullet into question if it does anything but penetrate at all. It is good to note that the permanent stretch cavities look more impressive than what they actually are, because they appear large, but the stretch tends to follow the flutes, and is not a universal but rather limited stretch cavity, not nearly as impressive as it seems. Regular defensive handgun rounds that make permanent stretch look smaller than these permanent stretch to the casual observer, but close examination shows that regular hollow point permanent stretch cavities are round and very even and "full", meaning a 3/4 inch wide stretch is a "total" or round 3/4 inch, while these fluted stretch paths are wide, but very THIN, almost like brodhead to arrow style, fingers of permanent stretch that don't actually destroy much gelatin at all, just look wide from the right angles and only appear impressive. They are an impressive gimmick from what I've seen of them. Probably the best gimmick round I've ever seen. But I think its another round made purpose built to look good in gel tests for sales, not for real world performance.
I watched the 9mm ammunition tests and comparisons on the Military Arms Channel; I do like consistency, and after watching your Xtreme Defense 9mm +p provide consistent levels of penetration and performance while the other brands had (sometimes wild) variances, I kinda steered away from the Federal HST (even though in straight ballistic gel it performed well) and will be purchasing the Xtreme Defense for my 9mm and .45 GAP. The explanation behind the differences in the Xtreme Penetrator and the Xtreme Defense and why the bullet was designed the way it is was helpful.
Charles, thank you for your note. Yes, our objective was to build a bullet that would offer consistent penetration and wounding characteristics despite the FBI specified barrier placed in front of the bullets path. Thanks Again, and we appreciate your support.
Great bullets! Magnificent performance in almost all the various pistol cartridges. But there's just one single flaw. The .32ACP with the LeHigh bullets has loading problems. But not because of your manufacture! The problem is the design of the original cartridge. It is a "semi-rimmed" cartridge. Meaning? The length of the cartridge is vitally important. This will not load or be counted on in defense situations. The loaded LeHigh cartridge is too short for the magazine, ans the original cartridge's dimensions. This lends the cartridge the ability to protrude forward of the following cartridges "semi-rim," causing a non-loading situation. As an old advocate of the 7.65MM/.32ACP; there needs to be a correction to the final manufacturing dimensions.
I wish someone would do a video comparison between the Underwood Lehigh XD 90 grain standard pressure, and the +P and the +P+ rounds for this ammo. Also compare the +P+ XD against the XP.
I think where this ammo really shines is in .380. A normally underpowered round that is greatly improved enough to be a carry weapon. Xtreme Defenders are all that I carry in my LCP. Dew to the expense of this ammunition I don't carry it in larger calibers
My G3C loves extreme defender, except when they perfectly jam when they occasionally try to jump out of the gun while loading. It is more of a mag spring issue, but I think the light weight of the round plays a part in this too.
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let me guess, if UPS loses your package you rate the product 1 star. Buy a new magazine
@ lol, I have worked out the springs on 2 of the mags. Winchester USA Ready seems to be its favorite food. Look at my youtube channel, my banner is one of these jams. Oh and I don't rate a product on if it arrives. 🤣🤣😂 Those people are nuts. Oh that jam was hell, hell to undo. It can wedge them in so perfectly.
I hope as more are produced in more quantity, prices can go down slightly. I completely understand the reasons for the price, but it is still too pricey to practice with. This seems to be the future of defense ammo: High barrier penetration, but rapid energy dump on soft targets.
If you get the Extreme Defense in 65 grain, you'll see 2,100 fps with that 357 sig with way more energy and less recoil, perfect for self defense rounds. Made by Underwood.
I have just started purchasing Xtreme Defender rounds in all of my handguns. I have always used and trained with Federal Premium HST and Hydrashok rounds, Speer Gold Dot rounds and Hornady Critical Duty rounds. The department that I work for uses the HST rounds. Another department that I volunteer for uses the Gold Dot rounds. And then another neighboring department uses the Critical Duty rounds. I keep in stock and train with all 3 brands of ammo and in every caliber of firearm that I own. I then discovered the Xtreme Defender rounds and began researching them and found ballistics tests done by multiple agencies consisting of multiple calibers, firearms and test mediums that had everything from no barrier penetration, to several different barriers tested that had to be penetrated first. The Xtreme Defender rounds were the only bullet that scored perfectly in every caliber, every barrel length, every pressure, every test medium shot into and even when every type of barrier had to be penetrated first. I then began testing the ammo myself. My test results also showed the same thing. So now I am going to be buying as much of this ammo as I can, and as often as I can.
I'm so tired of the "over penetration" fear! God forbid any bullet exceeds the almighty FBI standards in ballistic gelatin test! In my 26 years of Law Enforcement, 15 years of which was as a Crime Scene Detective, I have investigated 350 or 400 shootings, which makes my knowledge and experience somewhat limited, but I have NEVER seen a torso shot exit a body! I have investigated many shootings where the bullet did not penetrate enough to stop the threat, requiring many additional shots, but I have never seen a center mass shot exit! Simple as that. Hits to arms, legs? Most if not all bullets will exit, but we're talking center mass. Stopping the threat. Never seen a real life over penetration problem.
You're full of shit, I was shot by accident by my brother at the age of 12 with a .22 stinger out of a marlin model 60 , it went in my belly and came out my back hit the inside of my shirt and fell to the ground... if a petty little .22 can go through a person then i'm quite sure many other calibers can as well... and I was quite a big kid at 12, I was already 6ft tall and 180lbs at that time.
Those extreme penetrators look like an excellent woods choice for 4 legged threats!! Might just have to get some with deer season right around the corner!
Seen some extensive testing on both these bullets. If you guys never compromise on quality and honesty you'll take over the ammo market for self-defense
No issues on my Glock 19, Kimber 1911, or my FNX45. Shoots well in revolver calibers, also. The Controlled Chaos rifle rounds are awesome, too! I run Underwood or Lehigh in all my rifles as well!
I strictly carry Xtreme Penetrator in my .380.. Defender in my 9mm / 40 S&W. If it were not for Lehigh and Underwood, I wouldn't have ever considered the .380 round. If you are a concealed carrier and .380 is your summer or all weather weapon, with this ammo, you might as well consider it a 9mm with standard ammo. It'll get the job done! I don't youtube, but all my friends have also tested this ammo and have ditched their Shield / Glock / Sig 9mm for EDC. Unless you plan on getting into a firefight or live in the hood, this calibur is perfect. For LEO's, combat or "open carry" where allowed, I'd always go with a 9 or 40 cal. But, back to the topic of ammo. A .380 pistol I'd never carry without ammo like this unless it was my only option.. THANKS LEIGH!!!
Nice explanation I've been wondering about these and how different they actually are, now I know. Melons were every other round starting XP, XD going to the end.
I'm not too concerned with over penetration but I am impressed by the speed and wound channel of the XD's. And that's probably true with all calibers of the XD's.
My primary CCW is a Witness 10MM and one in every 3 rds is one of your 115 grain loads from Underwood. There are many situations where more penetration is required such as a bad guy wearing kevlar, or an attacker using cover
Be careful because I'm pretty sure Concealed Carry forbids armor piercing. As far as I know they are not supposed to be armor piercing but if they are and you are carrying that at least in my state you may want to look back at your book for your state but the law in mine says no armor piercing. Ive seen a video where it has gone damn near all the way through Level II armor. Ive posed the question to the channel hopefully they respond soon. It can get you in big trouble in my state not sure about yours. Don't know about you but Id hate to go to prison over choosing the wrong ammo for self defense Conceal carry.
I'm always worried my bullet will go through my intended target and hit someone else, perhaps a bystander. I do NOT want over-penetration. Lehigh Xtreme Defender is my carry choice!
The Xtreme Defender 90 gr +P is my 1st choice for carry ammo in my Walther PPQ M2 9mm. I am getting the same gun in 45 ACP next week and can't wait to try these out in that beast. On a side note, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, start cranking these things out again. They are damn near impossible to find these days!
So, do you guys plan to release an Extreme defender in 38 special or 357 Magnum? As a revolver guy, I like absolute reliability so I am liking the design of these bullets, but my preferred caliber isn't available.I have seen the video from shootingthebull410 that shows the 380 extreme penetrator working out to be just about perfect for defensive 380s, but in 357 Magnum, I feel that the extreme penetrator is a liability and in 38 special, I have not seen any tests of it so I don't feel comfortable carrying it and I am too much of a cheapo to test it myself and even if the advertised penetration is correct (17inches is awesome btw) I would prefer the defender bullet for the larger wound tract.
I think we have to keep in mind these are lighter weight all copper bullets compared to traditional lead, they might be similar to the Barnes DPX and TSX all copper bullets. These have no lead so there will be no fragmentation as lead is more brittle and fragile than copper and copper retains it's weight better. Plus, no lead in the meat if you plan on eating what you kill for hunting. I'm more curious as how do the Lehigh Xtreme Defense compares to the Hornady XTP and Hornady SST in terms of expansion and internal damage. I'd like to see Lehigh make a Xtreme Penetrator for the S&W 500 for defense against Brown bear/Grizzly. That bullet might be able to get 70" inches of penetration.
I'm really starting to like the Underwood product line, I picked up a couple boxes of Xtreme Penetrators for my 10mm and I'm going to order me some Defenders for my personal carry 9mm
I had two different sasquatch run-ins 2 years apart where I forage for mushrooms, fiddleheads, and ramps, and I don't go out there without my 10mm anymore and it's loaded with Lehigh XP's.
I could see justification for carrying both and staggering them in the magazine (XD, XD, XP, XP, XD ...). If you double tap on a threat with the XD and you don’t achieve the desired incapacitation, then go for the XP’s.
I hope you're prepared to serve some time after you over penetrate and kill an innocent person trying to defend yourself. These are the worst types of carry ammo, setting yourself up for trouble.
Can you tell us more? I am primarily interested in the XP as a bear/boar defense round, but haven't heard much about how effective it actually is. Do you have stories you can share about people up there using 10mm or XP against bears?
@@ryanaegis3544 A bought a 10mm Glock from a friend leaving the state. He shot 2 brown bears with it. The first one from a tree stand at about 10 yards in the back of the neck with one shot. The other was trying to come through his cabin door . He barely racked the slide when the door flew open and he pointed and let loose and didn't stop until the magazine was empty. The bear went off the porch on an angle and thrashed around the side of the cabin. By the time he dumped the mag and reloaded the bear had stopped moving and he didn't fire anymore rounds. I don't know exactly what ammo he used, but it was a hot load with a hardcast lead bullet. Both bears weighed between 350 and 400 lbs.
XP, XD, XP, XD, XP, XD!!! I love your product. I use XD in every caliber that I have except for 380; I use XP in 380 because I believe that I need the deeper penetration in that caliber.
Interesting thought, but I wonder how effective such diminutive ''flutes'' would prove to be. Perhaps they've already tested it and found it poorly performing.
I carry a Glock 42 or Glock 19 every day. I WANT a big wound-channel-producing bullet that WON'T go through a person and hit something/someone on the other side. I'm switching all my self-defense ammo to LeHigh Xtreme Defense as it seems to have a better chance of doing both those things. Thank you, Lehigh.
would like to see more on the .32 acp. These loads will make it viable again imho. Little recoil, light weight pistols, and the kel tec p32 has 10 round magazine options. Seriously considering this becausse I like the light recoil of .32.
Thanks for the note, I think we might have some Gel Shots? Here is my personal email. pete.vogel@lehighdefense.com. Send me an email and I will look around to see what we have . Thanks Pete
65 gr ED in 7.62 by 25mm doing anywhere from 1600-1800-2000 fps would be very nice, depending on how much over penetration ur comfortable with. at 2000 fps the wound cavity would prove this round is a more viable option. If you guys loaded this cartridge, I think more peeps would look at 57As to carry, until someone like Glock produce for this cartridge. Have you loaded anything really hot .357 sig, 10mm, 9-25mm, etc? seems ED would do even better
It's not as nice and comfy as the chair you're sitting on, but I do carry a portable, light weight folding chair for unexpected confrontations. 😄 Ha! Joking. Seriously though, I'm buying some of the 90 XT, it looks like good stuff. I, and they, hope I never have to use it.
I was sold on this ammo until I checked with Smith and Wesson. They state that this ammo is too hot to be used with their handguns, and can damage the slide.
Hard cast for sure, but what I did was alternate every 2 rounds between hard cast and underwoods 200gr hollow points. These would be interesting though instead of the hollow points. Love my block 20 shooting hot Double Tap or Underwood ammo
Hard cast would be better if you want to poison the animals you shoot.....the day is here. The solid copper fluted bullet has no rival in a lead bullet.
I think the Lehigh .312 caliber 75 grain Xtreme Defense bullet loaded in H&R Magnum cases would be an excellent 2" revolver load for those wanting less recoil than 38 +P. Would work in .327 Magnum revolvers (they're also .312 caliber) & a plus is they carry 6 rounds instead of 5. There's also a .312 caliber 95 grain Extreme Defense bullet.
Given the novel bullet shape, there would seem to be a potential for feeding issues in some .380 pistols. Do you have a list of .380 pistols that this round has been testfired in succesfully? Very interested. I have a Ruger LCP2 and a Remington RM380
I trust the defender even in the woods . 4 legs or 2 . I trust this 90 grain out of a 4.4 inch barrel will do the trick. When I'm hiking with the lady . Or solo . It is the back yard of cats , bears , coyotes, and other game. Standard pressure of that 90 up close is something to fear. Love Underwood/Lehigh
Lehigh Defense, what if instead of the 4 flutes resembling a phillips head screwdriver, it had 3 flutes which would make the flutes larger in surface area?
Can you load these 9mm bullets into a 357 Magnum? Yes I know .355 in .357 carrel and slight loss of accuracy but are these particular bullets safe to do so, particularly the penetrator?
I'm guessing that 1, 3, and 5 are the penetrator and 2, 4, and 6 are the defender. I wish you'd make a version of the penetrator that would have a lead base for a little more weight and penetration. That bullet in a .357 magnum would be very good as an outdoor bullet.
I heard that a man in Alaska killed a charging grizzly with a compact 9mm using the Xtreme penetrator rounds!! With 36 inches of penetration I don't see why they wouldn't be a great outdoors round
@@virgosintellect well, that depends. Lead is used because its dense and also because it engages the rifling with little wear sustained by the bore. I imagine copper, being a significantly harder metal, would cause more wear.
@museack the jacket coating is far thinner than the cuts made by the rifling. I've actually tested this in recent months. Anyway, after shooting about 300 rounds through a pitted bore, I've concluded that the alloy used in this is far softer than the machining grade copper alloy I'm used tom
that xtreme defender has captured my attention!!!!
Bernie Smith because gelatin is the best way to test bullets and see somewhat realistic results. not conclusive but still informative
@@LocsNLoadFirearmReviews, you have a BETTER idea and testing medium to suggest?
Perhaps become a volunteer so we can all gain insightful knowledge?
Yes?!?
both are really good rounds.
@@LocsNLoadFirearmReviews But Gelatin Test is missing one thing, Hard material, Gelatin is good for simulating penetration of soft tissues, but not good for hard one, such as bones.
@@thesanctuary225 Stick rib bones into the gel as its formed. then add t shirt or 2 in front of the gel as cloth to make it as realistic as possible
I have started using Underwood Extreme Defense in my carry guns. Every video I have seen with this bullet is impressive.
Lehigh Defense makes some fantastic ammunition. When I needed the best possible task-specific specialty round for green/blue-water maritime defense use (alligators, other aquatic threats), Lehigh's very own Pete V. worked with me for several days in order to work over usage and threat scenarios.
We ultimately concluded the Xtreme Penetrator would best suit my needs, and they have been in my Walther PPQ M2 Navy SD ever since. I will soon be picking up some of the XD ammo.
In a world of "gimmick" energy-dump frangibles and tried-and-true hollow points of olde, Lehigh Defense stands out as a reputable class of its own.
I have changed from JHP to Lehigh Extreme Defender in both my 9mm and my .380 Glocks. Great work, Lehigh!
Solid choices right there, thanks!
These are the most impressive rounds I've ever seen 👏. Some will hate & call this a gimmick, what in the you know what is gimmick about this . A round that avoids hollow point hiccups and performs way better than any I've ever seen personally..😳😉
To be fair, there are A LOT of gimmicks in the gun world. I didn't trust these bullets until I saw data on how they perform in actual tissue. I always kind of assumed they were made to perform well in gel and wouldn't transfer over to real tissue.
However, then I saw this: drive.google.com/file/d/1Z6gdk_JdqKkYlUHqABWwb8Bh8dK2rHqo/view
In that test, they shoot pig carcasses and then had surgeons and forensic pathologists examine the body. The XD bullets consistently outperformed all hollow points. I don't think there's any doubt left, the only thing holding this ammo back is cost.
Also known as FMJ.
The 10mm Variants are hands down the best wilderness rounds I've ever carried in my G20's. I'd like to see some heavier weight pills but MAN do they go through hyde and bone. Hard-Cast lead has nothing on the shaped solid-copper pills.
Thank you very much for your kind words, we work hard to TCO our customers needs. Team Lehigh
@@lehighdefensellc9886 There's a lot of hoopla now about products with even trace amounts of lead, especially in California. Thoughts on lead-free copper bullets being a better option for a daily carry?
I think you answered my question. How do they stand up against large game ?
Everyone knows possums are pretty much invincible. I one shotted a chicken stealing possum with a 10mm extreme penetrator. It died instantly
My .45 colt rifle begs to differ on those hard cast.
Great test! I have carried Federal HST 230 grain + P in my full frame Sig Sauer P 220 for years. 7 of us here in SLC, UT now carry the Underwood Extreme Defender 120 grain 45 caliber round. Five (including myself) have a full frame, and two carry a Compact 45 caliber pistol. It would be great to see a Paul Harrell type "meat test".
RIP Paul Harrell ❤😢
That spiral! I purchased a .380 for my wife and was worried a .380 would not have the stopping power, but now that I've seen this and a couple of other videos about the Lehigh ammo, I have no more regret.
I've found that the .380 acp xtreme penetrator is excellent for carry in the wintertime, and the xtreme defender in 380 acp to be perfect for summertime in that caliber. It really makes .380 a reliable viable option as a defensive carry pistol. Easy to keep on target for follow up shots out of a pocket gun and very accurate as well up to 25yds. perfect for that type and caliber of pistol.
@@Stu650Zuk wait, you used the 380 Xtreme penetrator on a black bear?? I know someone that carries Lehigh 380 in their LCP max. Is it actually that effective?
@@Stu650Zuk Yikes... That could've gone very differently, very quickly. Glad nothing happened.
I've heard 10mm is already a great in-the-woods caliber with standard ammo. Underwood's bullets in 10mm must be devastating.
Dude... I bought two boxes of extreme defender round because I thought they looked cool... what a beautiful gem I have found.
This video is 4 years old now, but these bullets are still #1 in my book, in my 10mm I carry Xtreme Penetrators and my 9mm uses Xtreme Defense. These bullets are hard to find where I live so you'll have to order them directly from Undewood over the internet. My opinion these bullets are the best.
Great designs Lehigh. Positive reviews everywhere. I'm surprised other companies don't sell a high end non-deforming copper/brass projectile. Maybe they will after losing some of the hollow point market.
I have been a fan since you began. The light weight defense bullet was a great idea, Not only works well but is flat shooting. Great bullet, Thanks
I love the Xtreme Defense bullet. The thing that will make me hesitate to engage a threat is the thought of also shooting whatever is behind the threat. I tell ALL my friends to use Xtreme Defense.
The penetration depths are listed in the ammo. We tweak the design to mitigate pass through energy on the XD.
Just a thought if the threat is sideways you will want ever inch
If you're afraid of hitting whatever is behind the threat then shouldn't you be much more afraid of the threat moving or something and you missing (which is a lot more likely than the bullet going all the way through the threat and harming some else)?
@@lehighdefensellc9886 I appreciate though despite the heat you've taken on the Xtreme Penetrator that you've stuck with a round that's great for defense against mountain lions and bears. The only 9mm I would ever trust in that role.
I just ordered 4 boxes of the xtreme defender. Based on this video, I am very pleased that I did.
I seen these flutes and had nightmares of my calculus classes 😂. These look pretty damn slick
I love your product. I use it for my 380's and 9MM. The melon shots were XP,XD,XP,XD,XP,XD.
I agree on the melon sequence.
I only hunt 4-legged beasts, so I gotta buy the Xtreme Penetrator. This makes video makes it very clear.
In a 9mm 17 round double stack magazine, my chamber round and the first two out of the mag are XD, or Ruger ARX polycase, followed by 15 rounds of 124 or 147 grain Federal HST hollow points, depending on the time of year...124 grain in mild weather, 147 in cooler weather. They don't plug up, collapse, or deform.
OK, as far as I understand the video, the bullet design of the XD works at least as effective as a standard hollow point without any of the no-expanding-problems. That's nice.
But because of the design and the hardness of the copper I could imagine that that bullet performs also great after it had to penetrate barriers or bone (e.g. a hog's shoulder blade) because it most probably won't fragmentate or expand and therefore should have a great potential to go deeper and do damage (although it could start to tumble). By just shooting gelatine you might cover some great benefits of the projectile.
How do both projectiles perform if they hit a solid animal skull in a critical angle? How much do they tend to deflect compared to standard hollow points? They are relatively light (which should be bad) but are very hard and have edges on the tip (which should be good).
Buffman range or military arms channel (cant remember which) does a test shooting through two sets of pork shoulder, it crackers the bones and still gets 17 inch in the gel, which is the same depth it gets with no barriers
Love the demo at the end. Pretty telling. Thank you. I'll be getting some defenders.
2:18 that’s the prettiest wound channel I’ve ever seen.
I've been curious about the xtreme defense, but am hesitant to buy them because of one question I have. That question is, "How does the permanent damage shown in the gel manifest itself in human tissue?" In most of my research on terminal ballistics, handgun projectiles are seen to generally do damage by physically running into and crushing tissue. Because human tissue is generally highly elastic, the tissue that is radially projected outward to form the temporary cavity doesn't get permanently destroyed. Obvious exceptions are the more inelastic structures such as bones, the liver, and the brain.
These seem to be using something similar to the Munroe Effect, as they use constructive interference to form high pressure/velocity zones near the flute cutouts. Do you have any tests that show these areas generate sufficient pressure to cause a permanent wound cavity in actual body structures they way that they do in ballistics gel?
In gel, these show incredible promise to be very accurate and reliable defensive projectiles. Before I'd trust these the way I'd trust some conventional hollowpoints, I'd like my concerns about transfer to be addressed. With a traditional hollowpoint, you still get some gel damage in the first 3-6 inches that expands beyond the diameter of the projectile, but it settles to a permanent crush cavity roughly matching the frontal area of the expanded bullet. You know if a bullet expands to .75", it's going to crush a cavity larger than the unexpanded diameter. With these, we're operating under the assumption that human tissue will show similar permanent cavitation to get a wound with a larger diameter than the projectile itself.
If you could give me more information on this concern, I'd appreciate it. I'm pretty interested in the XD, and think your innovation is pretty admirable, I'm just not totally sold yet. Thanks.
sp22m3 I had the same question, thanks for asking
Yes, this is why it seems like a very gimmicky ammunition. They developed something that will cause permanent stretch cavity early on in ballistics gel blocks to create maximum presentation in laboratory tests to look impressive and sell bullets, but perhaps not designed to work in real life. You have done a very good job of pointing out the potential flaws, and I fear them to be absolutely right on. Skin can account for 2-4 inches of gel, and small permanent stretch in ballistics gel is no proof there will be permanent tearing in real tissues, especially with low energy projectiles like these. Wither or not these permanent stretches can be recreated in real life scenarios puts the effectiveness of the bullet into question if it does anything but penetrate at all. It is good to note that the permanent stretch cavities look more impressive than what they actually are, because they appear large, but the stretch tends to follow the flutes, and is not a universal but rather limited stretch cavity, not nearly as impressive as it seems. Regular defensive handgun rounds that make permanent stretch look smaller than these permanent stretch to the casual observer, but close examination shows that regular hollow point permanent stretch cavities are round and very even and "full", meaning a 3/4 inch wide stretch is a "total" or round 3/4 inch, while these fluted stretch paths are wide, but very THIN, almost like brodhead to arrow style, fingers of permanent stretch that don't actually destroy much gelatin at all, just look wide from the right angles and only appear impressive.
They are an impressive gimmick from what I've seen of them. Probably the best gimmick round I've ever seen. But I think its another round made purpose built to look good in gel tests for sales, not for real world performance.
sp22m3 It'll tear tissue while ripping through body armor. Two or three in a plate and it'll break it up enough for the next one to get through.
Looks like we have some astroturfers here.
My legs are far too skinny to adequately measure a wound cavity. I may as well be shooting at chopsticks.
I watched the 9mm ammunition tests and comparisons on the Military Arms Channel; I do like consistency, and after watching your Xtreme Defense 9mm +p provide consistent levels of penetration and performance while the other brands had (sometimes wild) variances, I kinda steered away from the Federal HST (even though in straight ballistic gel it performed well) and will be purchasing the Xtreme Defense for my 9mm and .45 GAP. The explanation behind the differences in the Xtreme Penetrator and the Xtreme Defense and why the bullet was designed the way it is was helpful.
Charles, thank you for your note. Yes, our objective was to build a bullet that would offer consistent penetration and wounding characteristics despite the FBI specified barrier placed in front of the bullets path. Thanks Again, and we appreciate your support.
Great bullets! Magnificent performance in almost all the various pistol cartridges. But there's just one single flaw. The .32ACP with the LeHigh bullets has loading problems. But not because of your manufacture! The problem is the design of the original cartridge. It is a "semi-rimmed" cartridge. Meaning? The length of the cartridge is vitally important. This will not load or be counted on in defense situations. The loaded LeHigh cartridge is too short for the magazine, ans the original cartridge's dimensions. This lends the cartridge the ability to protrude forward of the following cartridges "semi-rim," causing a non-loading situation. As an old advocate of the 7.65MM/.32ACP; there needs to be a correction to the final manufacturing dimensions.
Who the hell carries a .32?? 😂
Step into the 21st century, much better performing calibers.
as far as I'm concerned, Lehigh is leading the way in top shelf, innovative ammunition
I wish someone would do a video comparison between the Underwood Lehigh XD 90 grain standard pressure, and the +P and the +P+ rounds for this ammo.
Also compare the +P+ XD against the XP.
Not a bad idea, I'll pass it along!
and test the Underwood 9mm 64grain+p
Indeed
I think where this ammo really shines is in .380. A normally underpowered round that is greatly improved enough to be a carry weapon. Xtreme Defenders are all that I carry in my LCP. Dew to the expense of this ammunition I don't carry it in larger calibers
My G3C loves extreme defender, except when they perfectly jam when they occasionally try to jump out of the gun while loading. It is more of a mag spring issue, but I think the light weight of the round plays a part in this too.
let me guess, if UPS loses your package you rate the product 1 star. Buy a new magazine
@ lol, I have worked out the springs on 2 of the mags. Winchester USA Ready seems to be its favorite food. Look at my youtube channel, my banner is one of these jams.
Oh and I don't rate a product on if it arrives. 🤣🤣😂 Those people are nuts.
Oh that jam was hell, hell to undo. It can wedge them in so perfectly.
Thanks for the explanation
Graham Baates
I hope as more are produced in more quantity, prices can go down slightly. I completely understand the reasons for the price, but it is still too pricey to practice with. This seems to be the future of defense ammo: High barrier penetration, but rapid energy dump on soft targets.
“We will never stop innovating” exactly what I like to hear, keep up the good work Lehigh, love the Xtreme Penetrators in 357 Sig & 10mm 👍🏽👍🏽
If you get the Extreme Defense in 65 grain, you'll see 2,100 fps with that 357 sig with way more energy and less recoil, perfect for self defense rounds. Made by Underwood.
I liked your "guess which bullet" ending. Nice.
I have just started purchasing Xtreme Defender rounds in all of my handguns. I have always used and trained with Federal Premium HST and Hydrashok rounds, Speer Gold Dot rounds and Hornady Critical Duty rounds. The department that I work for uses the HST rounds. Another department that I volunteer for uses the Gold Dot rounds. And then another neighboring department uses the Critical Duty rounds. I keep in stock and train with all 3 brands of ammo and in every caliber of firearm that I own. I then discovered the Xtreme Defender rounds and began researching them and found ballistics tests done by multiple agencies consisting of multiple calibers, firearms and test mediums that had everything from no barrier penetration, to several different barriers tested that had to be penetrated first. The Xtreme Defender rounds were the only bullet that scored perfectly in every caliber, every barrel length, every pressure, every test medium shot into and even when every type of barrier had to be penetrated first.
I then began testing the ammo myself. My test results also showed the same thing. So now I am going to be buying as much of this ammo as I can, and as often as I can.
Thank for that info!
I have carried federal HST for years now but I think I’m gonna buy some of these and give them a go
I'm so tired of the "over penetration" fear! God forbid any bullet exceeds the almighty FBI standards in ballistic gelatin test! In my 26 years of Law Enforcement, 15 years of which was as a Crime Scene Detective, I have investigated 350 or 400 shootings, which makes my knowledge and experience somewhat limited, but I have NEVER seen a torso shot exit a body! I have investigated many shootings where the bullet did not penetrate enough to stop the threat, requiring many additional shots, but I have never seen a center mass shot exit! Simple as that. Hits to arms, legs? Most if not all bullets will exit, but we're talking center mass. Stopping the threat. Never seen a real life over penetration problem.
daconad0721 I saw one posted on youtube.
What about 9mm fmj? I'm sure that would over penetrate.
TheCelestialWolf not when it hits a bone (which the torso is full of)
generally every fmj that doesn't hit a bone wxit the body
You're full of shit, I was shot by accident by my brother at the age of 12 with a .22 stinger out of a marlin model 60 , it went in my belly and came out my back hit the inside of my shirt and fell to the ground... if a petty little .22 can go through a person then i'm quite sure many other calibers can as well... and I was quite a big kid at 12, I was already 6ft tall and 180lbs at that time.
That piano music sounds like "I Don't Like Mondays" by Boomtown Rats.
This is exactly what i needed for my hike in michigans U.P.
This is what I carry.
XP for the .380 and XD for the 9mm.
Ammo Man Recommended !!!!!
Those extreme penetrators look like an excellent woods choice for 4 legged threats!! Might just have to get some with deer season right around the corner!
Seen some extensive testing on both these bullets. If you guys never compromise on quality and honesty you'll take over the ammo market for self-defense
Looks like Peach Lane in PA?Grew up less than 1/4 from there.
I believe I read that some of the steeper feed ramp weapons had trouble feeding the Penetrator. Has the Defender design corrected that?
I use both and yes the nose on the defender is thinner so doesn’t bind on the short ramps
I haven't noticed a cycle issue with my XDM-E
No issues in my shield 9
No issues on my Glock 19, Kimber 1911, or my FNX45. Shoots well in revolver calibers, also. The Controlled Chaos rifle rounds are awesome, too! I run Underwood or Lehigh in all my rifles as well!
I strictly carry Xtreme Penetrator in my .380.. Defender in my 9mm / 40 S&W. If it were not for Lehigh and Underwood, I wouldn't have ever considered the .380 round. If you are a concealed carrier and .380 is your summer or all weather weapon, with this ammo, you might as well consider it a 9mm with standard ammo. It'll get the job done! I don't youtube, but all my friends have also tested this ammo and have ditched their Shield / Glock / Sig 9mm for EDC. Unless you plan on getting into a firefight or live in the hood, this calibur is perfect. For LEO's, combat or "open carry" where allowed, I'd always go with a 9 or 40 cal. But, back to the topic of ammo. A .380 pistol I'd never carry without ammo like this unless it was my only option.. THANKS LEIGH!!!
Nice explanation I've been wondering about these and how different they actually are, now I know. Melons were every other round starting XP, XD going to the end.
I'm not too concerned with over penetration but I am impressed by the speed and wound channel of the XD's. And that's probably true with all calibers of the XD's.
My primary CCW is a Witness 10MM and one in every 3 rds is one of your 115 grain loads from Underwood. There are many situations where more penetration is required such as a bad guy wearing kevlar, or an attacker using cover
Be careful because I'm pretty sure Concealed Carry forbids armor piercing. As far as I know they are not supposed to be armor piercing but if they are and you are carrying that at least in my state you may want to look back at your book for your state but the law in mine says no armor piercing. Ive seen a video where it has gone damn near all the way through Level II armor. Ive posed the question to the channel hopefully they respond soon. It can get you in big trouble in my state not sure about yours. Don't know about you but Id hate to go to prison over choosing the wrong ammo for self defense Conceal carry.
Ya, that happens a lot.....
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I'm always worried my bullet will go through my intended target and hit someone else, perhaps a bystander. I do NOT want over-penetration. Lehigh Xtreme Defender is my carry choice!
1, 3, 5 extreme penetrator. 2, 4, 6 extreme defender. Great ammo, Thanks.
What about reliability? With the flutes and ridges it seem the bullet would feed at slightly different angle with each shot.
The Xtreme Defender 90 gr +P is my 1st choice for carry ammo in my Walther PPQ M2 9mm. I am getting the same gun in 45 ACP next week and can't wait to try these out in that beast. On a side note, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, start cranking these things out again. They are damn near impossible to find these days!
1,3,5-XP
2,4,6-XD
agreed
Same
Same.
So, do you guys plan to release an Extreme defender in 38 special or 357 Magnum? As a revolver guy, I like absolute reliability so I am liking the design of these bullets, but my preferred caliber isn't available.I have seen the video from shootingthebull410 that shows the 380 extreme penetrator working out to be just about perfect for defensive 380s, but in 357 Magnum, I feel that the extreme penetrator is a liability and in 38 special, I have not seen any tests of it so I don't feel comfortable carrying it and I am too much of a cheapo to test it myself and even if the advertised penetration is correct (17inches is awesome btw) I would prefer the defender bullet for the larger wound tract.
TheCelestialWolf midway has .357&38 special.
TheCelestialWolf hey man, they sell 357 ammo now with tests on youtube. I believe they are known as extreme hunter for 357 though
Your company makes some of the best projectiles and your channel needs more subscribers.
What if my box simply says “Lehigh Defense”? They’re 90 grain, whatever that means. Is that the same as Extreme Defense?
Yes Jess, if they are +p rated then yes.
1st, 3rd and 5th shots are Xtreme Penetrator and 2nd, 4th and 6th shots are Xtreme Defense.
Very Good - Good to hear from you!
I've been waiting almost a year to buy the 90gr.. finally found it in stock from underwood!!!! Score!
I think we have to keep in mind these are lighter weight all copper bullets compared to traditional lead, they might be similar to the Barnes DPX and TSX all copper bullets. These have no lead so there will be no fragmentation as lead is more brittle and fragile than copper and copper retains it's weight better. Plus, no lead in the meat if you plan on eating what you kill for hunting.
I'm more curious as how do the Lehigh Xtreme Defense compares to the Hornady XTP and Hornady SST in terms of expansion and internal damage.
I'd like to see Lehigh make a Xtreme Penetrator for the S&W 500 for defense against Brown bear/Grizzly. That bullet might be able to get 70" inches of penetration.
I'm really starting to like the Underwood product line, I picked up a couple boxes of Xtreme Penetrators for my 10mm and I'm going to order me some Defenders for my personal carry 9mm
Very interesting. I’ve seen these around the different channels but never really paid much attention. I might have to load some up.
I had two different sasquatch run-ins 2 years apart where I forage for mushrooms, fiddleheads, and ramps, and I don't go out there without my 10mm anymore and it's loaded with Lehigh XP's.
I could see justification for carrying both and staggering them in the magazine (XD, XD, XP, XP, XD ...). If you double tap on a threat with the XD and you don’t achieve the desired incapacitation, then go for the XP’s.
I hope you're prepared to serve some time after you over penetrate and kill an innocent person trying to defend yourself. These are the worst types of carry ammo, setting yourself up for trouble.
I use extreme penetrator for brown bear protection Glock 20 10 mm in Alaska !
Can you tell us more? I am primarily interested in the XP as a bear/boar defense round, but haven't heard much about how effective it actually is. Do you have stories you can share about people up there using 10mm or XP against bears?
@@ryanaegis3544 A bought a 10mm Glock from a friend leaving the state. He shot 2 brown bears with it. The first one from a tree stand at about 10 yards in the back of the neck with one shot. The other was trying to come through his cabin door . He barely racked the slide when the door flew open and he pointed and let loose and didn't stop until the magazine was empty. The bear went off the porch on an angle and thrashed around the side of the cabin. By the time he dumped the mag and reloaded the bear had stopped moving and he didn't fire anymore rounds.
I don't know exactly what ammo he used, but it was a hot load with a hardcast lead bullet. Both bears weighed between 350 and 400 lbs.
02 and 04 Phillips screw driver bit 😂😂
XP, XD, XP, XD, XP, XD!!! I love your product. I use XD in every caliber that I have except for 380; I use XP in 380 because I believe that I need the deeper penetration in that caliber.
You should make .22 lr and .22 mag extreme penetrators and defenders
Interesting thought, but I wonder how effective such diminutive ''flutes'' would prove to be. Perhaps they've already tested it and found it poorly performing.
thank you for giving us leading edge ammo.
great info
Hey you're that guy👆🏻
*_your're that guy pal_*
I use the Defender in a 45acp with a Springfield mod 2
I've had some feeding problems in several calibers. I no longer use them. SEMPER PARATUS ASM USCG Air
Underwood .380+P extreme penetrator will penetrate .5" of polycarbonate "bullet proof glass" that stops .380 FMJ, .38spl FMJ and .45acp FMJ.
I carry a Glock 42 or Glock 19 every day. I WANT a big wound-channel-producing bullet that WON'T go through a person and hit something/someone on the other side. I'm switching all my self-defense ammo to LeHigh Xtreme Defense as it seems to have a better chance of doing both those things. Thank you, Lehigh.
would like to see more on the .32 acp. These loads will make it viable again imho. Little recoil, light weight pistols, and the kel tec p32 has 10 round magazine options. Seriously considering this becausse I like the light recoil of .32.
Thanks for the note, I think we might have some Gel Shots? Here is my personal email. pete.vogel@lehighdefense.com. Send me an email and I will look around to see what we have . Thanks Pete
Leghigh Xtreme Cavitator .32ACP
I'm sold! I bought two boxes for my carry 1911, and am getting several more boxes for my home 1911. TY!
Awesome Sling Blade I hope they run well for you and that you are never forced to use them.
65 gr ED in 7.62 by 25mm doing anywhere from 1600-1800-2000 fps would be very nice, depending on how much over penetration ur comfortable with. at 2000 fps the wound cavity would prove this round is a more viable option. If you guys loaded this cartridge, I think more peeps would look at 57As to carry, until someone like Glock produce for this cartridge. Have you loaded anything really hot .357 sig, 10mm, 9-25mm, etc? seems ED would do even better
The extreme penetrators are great for getting through solid stuff. I will be getting my hands on it when I can
It's not as nice and comfy as the chair you're sitting on, but I do carry a portable, light weight folding chair for unexpected confrontations. 😄
Ha! Joking. Seriously though, I'm buying some of the 90 XT, it looks like good stuff. I, and they, hope I never have to use it.
The XD Feeds great in my Glock 26 9mm
I was sold on this ammo until I checked with Smith and Wesson. They state that this ammo is too hot to be used with their handguns, and can damage the slide.
Not the AMMO’s fault!!! Buy better guns! 😉
I know it's not recommended to hunt with a 9mm, but which one would be a better choice in a carbine for deer hunting?
Is the 10mm extreme penetrator recommend for bear or would the 200 grain hard cast be a better option ?
Hard cast for sure, but what I did was alternate every 2 rounds between hard cast and underwoods 200gr hollow points. These would be interesting though instead of the hollow points. Love my block 20 shooting hot Double Tap or Underwood ammo
Hard cast would be better if you want to poison the animals you shoot.....the day is here. The solid copper fluted bullet has no rival in a lead bullet.
@@ap9793 would you do penetrator or defender for a backpacking/hiking round??
I carry the extreme defenders in 9mm. The recoil is almost non-existent which is just another plus to this ammo.
Well time to swtich my carry rounds to Lehigh, love that performance from the XD round. Should go well in my M&P2.0 10mm.
I think the Lehigh .312 caliber 75 grain Xtreme Defense bullet loaded in H&R Magnum cases would be an excellent 2" revolver load for those wanting less recoil than 38 +P. Would work in .327 Magnum revolvers (they're also .312 caliber) & a plus is they carry 6 rounds instead of 5. There's also a .312 caliber 95 grain Extreme Defense bullet.
I'd like to see how those bullet design works when applied to rifle calibers...
How about the 308?
Or perhaps the old 30/30 just for kicks?
Sure wish they'd make a XP for the 22-250. Those prairie dogs get real nasty like when they're wounded!!
Great round...if you can find it. It's the perfect upgrade for 380s but I can't find it in stock anywhere.
Given the novel bullet shape, there would seem to be a potential for feeding issues in some .380 pistols.
Do you have a list of .380 pistols that this round has been testfired in succesfully?
Very interested. I have a Ruger LCP2 and a Remington RM380
Jeffrey Weathers ,hi I've used this in my bodygaurd 38o,and feeds great
Have you experimented with 3 flutes instead of 4?
Rondel daggers and epee Smallswords.
for the 44 special models... which would have less recoil? defender or penetrator?
I trust the defender even in the woods . 4 legs or 2 . I trust this 90 grain out of a 4.4 inch barrel will do the trick. When I'm hiking with the lady . Or solo . It is the back yard of cats , bears , coyotes, and other game. Standard pressure of that 90 up close is something to fear. Love Underwood/Lehigh
Do you have a video like this for your 380 acp.
Lehigh Defense, what if instead of the 4 flutes resembling a phillips head screwdriver, it had 3 flutes which would make the flutes larger in surface area?
I think the defender Underwood in 357 sig is simply devastating.
Please make a 5.7 version
I’d like to see 45ACP and 10mm version of the bullets side by side my two favorite calibers
Can you load these 9mm bullets into a 357 Magnum? Yes I know .355 in .357 carrel and slight loss of accuracy but are these particular bullets safe to do so, particularly the penetrator?
I'm guessing that 1, 3, and 5 are the penetrator and 2, 4, and 6 are the defender.
I wish you'd make a version of the penetrator that would have a lead base for a little more weight and penetration. That bullet in a .357 magnum would be very good as an outdoor bullet.
I heard that a man in Alaska killed a charging grizzly with a compact 9mm using the Xtreme penetrator rounds!! With 36 inches of penetration I don't see why they wouldn't be a great outdoors round
That's a great explanation and demo - thanks for posting it. Just one suggestion ... Bro, get a holster!
that is right he needs a holster ...!
If its pure copper, what effect does it have on the rifling?
Would cost a lot more than a guns worth in ammo, to wear out any barrel.
@@virgosintellect well, that depends. Lead is used because its dense and also because it engages the rifling with little wear sustained by the bore. I imagine copper, being a significantly harder metal, would cause more wear.
@museack the jacket coating is far thinner than the cuts made by the rifling. I've actually tested this in recent months. Anyway, after shooting about 300 rounds through a pitted bore, I've concluded that the alloy used in this is far softer than the machining grade copper alloy I'm used tom