Rear timing chain, mechanics are gonna love you for that one, way to go GM, you did it again, it scream Canyon, which had similar, can be bought cheap because the repair is more than the value of the truck!
@@dscottmacleod321 How is this belt service any worse than servicing Ford's Eco-boost water pump? Half the mechanics say the easy way is to pull the engine, for a damn water pump.
I was thinking the same thing. Only people who don't have to actually drop the transmission would refer to it as "simply." I haven't had to change a water pump on Ford's 3.5, but I've heard it was a bitch. Engineers do a lot of stupid things. The spark plugs on top of the cylinder heads of the ford modular engines, the timing chain on the back of the 4.0 sohc, the belt and chains on the back of this diesel, etc.
He didn't say you had to drop the trany, he said move it back to reach in and change the belt. Just Saying. Now with that being said. it does seem like a pain but atleast its not being run on one belt.
@@larrydecomic1791 Moving it back is still a laborious task. You'll have to disconnect the driveshaft, probably remove the transmission mount crossmember, and replace the bell house bolts with longer ones that can support the weight. You might as well drop if you're going thru all that. Nothing is ever as easy as they guys in lab coats make it sound.
@@brussell639 I Dismantle trucks for a living. Moving the transmission is no big deal, especially if you are just moving it back far enough for service.
@@steven530x I suppose some clarity would help. If you do it for a living, it's going to be easier than for an enthusiast or DIYs. I never did it for a living, but I've changed enough transmissions that I certainly could have. And I always considered it a big pain in the ass. Especially those bellhouse bolts that you can only get to with a wrench and only have about a 1/16 - 1/8 of turning room. I still do all the maintenance on my vehicles. This would be something I wouldn't look forward to.
I bet someone will come out with a chain conversion kit, this is why I don't want to work on cars anymore the engineers were taught with common core principles
You know in your heart of hearts it is engineered failure to force people to spend money. Can’t have anything that lasts too long nowadays, cuts into profit margins
@@steven530x The 6.6L Duramax, 6.7L Powerstroke, and 6.7L Cummins engines, all in pickup trucks, use timing gears. There's quite literally no reason other than cost and minor noise reduction to use a belt or chain over gears, they are an inferior design.
I’ve had mine for two years and it does great. I own 3 semi trucks and what Chevy did with the EGR and after treatment is very cool. They’ve simplified and made those systems much more reliable. Having recirculation after the filter, so close to the turbo, and no hydrocarbon injector eliminates so many problems. Also, I’m not sure many people have owned a vehicle long enough to service something like a timing belt. I had a 2003 VW Jetta that needed a timing belt change. You have to almost disassemble the car to get to it and it takes a mechanic almost a whole day to do. With this belt, 150k mike service, you drop the transmission, replace it, bolt it back on, that’s absolutely easier than what you have to do on many other vehicles. And the coolant system, on an 18 degree day I can warm up for 3-5 minutes, drive about 2.5 miles, and I’m already approaching full temperature. It gets hot almost as fast as a gasoline car. I have nothing but good things to say.
Dropping a transmission is not as simple as you make it out to be. Especially with these new automatics with so much shit plugged into them. Absolutely retarded design and once they hit 100k miles they're going to be not worth what you owe on them
You mean all those connectors that are designed to be disconnected if need be? Oh No!! Not all those things🙄. I own one. I love the truck. Probably won’t own it when it reaches 150k. Even if it did, my 14 year old son and I removed the transmission from my f250 to rebuild.. anything is hard when you don’t know what you’re doing.
Let's be real here. A 4L80 from 1998 is an 8hr job for remove and replace. Remove and replace on the 10L80 in the 3.0L Duramax is a 12hr job. The oil pump belt adds 0.1 hr. A timing belt job on a 2015 Jetta TDI is 4.8hrs. 12hrs is not bad for something that has a 150k/15 year service interval anyway, especially in a truck that saves you $10-13k in fuel costs over that same time.
Bullshit on the jetta Tom. Nice try, I know all about those jettas. They are not hard AT ALL. Good one. Why would you even say that? Literally the easiest timing belt ever
I was sold on this efficient redesign until I saw oil pump belt! This engine was designed to make money via service at 150000 miles. Why couldn't they use ALL lifetime chains? Now I change my mind screw this engine, and the extra $3000 GM charges for the upgrade. Any fuel savings you gain will be all lost from the cost to replace that oil belt! will be at least another $2000 or $2500 to repair. Idiot engineers and GM executives.
I agree that’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. (Yea let’s put a rubber belt to drive the HOT OIL pump great idea pure genius right there 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@OldSoldier54 yes i agree , i also like older vehicles . now if we can get enough people to join in on certain values and work together helping each other , life as we know it would be better for all good poor people .
The newer Ford 2.7l ecoboost gas engine has a wet belt oil pump drive, I still prefer to keep my truck about as simple as i can so I don't drive one of those either.
Anthony.. Bio kits (belt in oil) will be all you will see in the future. Noisy/heavy/horsepower robbing timing chains and gears are quietly riding into the sunset. The Timing Belt in Oil was developed to replace the metal chain. The rubber is made to last and run in oil for years.
I have one in my 2022 Escalade ESV. I love this engine!!! It’s blown me away in every area that I have previously had issues with on my Cummins and Powerstrokes. This 3.0 is something from the future I’m telling you. If I gave you the keys you would swear there is a much bigger engine than a 3 liter. GM has hit a home run with this. Go buy one and see what I’m talking about. It’s really that good. Thumbs up GM 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Cmon man these engines are in fact good but we all know you didnt have issues with a cummins... only issue with the cummins is emissions control and they are the lesst problematic out of the bunch as long as you run them hard to keep the dpf filter clean
I wish I could get paid to say good things. But no really I'm sure it is great truck to drive and enjoy. But it's prone to have bad problems. It's all in the point of elimination. And don't forget it feels much bigger than a 3.0l becouse deisel is almost superior in every way. Mainly the torque and efficiency. This one will lack in reliability/longevity.
@@masonbsker64 I am not paid to say anything if that's what you are insinuating. I am just trying to explain how happy I am with this purchase. It's rare something goes as planned these days. So when it goes better than expected I like to give credit where it is due. I am just an average guy who lives in New Orleans Louisiana. I am in the Telecom field. Nothing about my post is paid for or compensated in anyway. I bought a new truck and the engine is awesome for a change. That's it. My Fords had major problems with various issues. Power Strokes have had major issues everyone knows about. The Cumminns is awesome in my boat. But not so good in my trucks. Sorry but it's true. Yes most issues were emissions related but GM has to play by the same rules. Granted this truck is new, but I'm telling you it's awesome so far. It starts instantly. It's so quiet you would almost swear it was a gasser. And it pulls all the way to 5K RPM like a gasser. Just go test drive one. Then come back and tell me if i'm lying about anything I said. And again, I haven't ever been paid one red cent by anyone for this review. Just the opposite. I spent a fortune on my 2022 Escalade ESV. I wish someone would pay me for my review!
Its the Colorado timing chain all over again... just watched that vid. So sad to see the same mistakes being made. Gears cost money, cost = bad. GM, please don't let these folks anywhere near the LS engine.
GM just needs to go ahead and include one belt change, between 100k and 200k miles, in price of truck. that would go a long way to ease customers minds.
Seriously? No way GM would extend a warranty like that.. Especially when these engines- with thier impressive price tags and performance- start grenading by the thousands from designed-in fail points popping apart ? If Any of those 3 critical timing chain- oil belt fails, the engines instantly a boatanchor....pistons scored, valves bent, head/ block cracked..
@@russianacorns8080 when the top of the piston hits the open valve, the valves bent, the piston distorted, sometimes the con rod bends / breaks loose, bearings squished out of round, actual block cracking is rare..
Timing chains do not last that long. It's either going to be the tensioner, guides, or the chain stretch that will compromise the system. Timing gears are very reliable, but they don't use them.
What they meant was the Chains will out last the belt and when the belt fails and you loose oil pressure under load the engine will be so damaged that it will be it's "life" and thus the chains are lifetime.
@@kevinmccune682 Chinese car manufacturer "foton" are cumins powered.. a i4 turbo intercooler 2.8 diesel .. the foton traveler is a van copied from toyota hi-ace vans .. forons pick ups and suv are powered by the same engine and are one way or another looks very similar in appearance from japanese car manufacturer ..
The belt won't be an issue for most new buyers. It's the guys that buy used around 100K miles that will need to keep the oil pump belt in mind for replacement cost.
I get your point. Also when they have that thing down they could probably fix other things as well. Everyone’s looking for amazing reliability and nonexistent maintenance
when he said... "all you have to do is drop the transmission" i thought the EXACT same thing... NOOOOO THANK YOU..... why would you not put a metal chain in there like everything else? what a bunch of fuckery....
@@ismaelosman9848 No. It's extremely over priced the way it's packaged in the upper trim and you can buy an f250 diesel for less and tow more. The F150 it isn't designed to last more than 150,000 miles, has a timing belt rather than gears, its new technology which isn't exactly in Fords favor and compromises durability for weight savings. Buy the 5.0 gas engine if you're looking at half ton trucks.
GM loves 150k gotchas. Enjoyed my 08 Grand Prix till I found out the torque converter was designed to fail at 150k-170k. Got to drop the whole A frame to change. I expect this truck will be similar. Will buy RAM or Toyota for my next truck.
oil pump driven by a belt, man it figures GM would be so brilliant. They will sell more engines that way because not it cannot last, then again with the GM = gov motors name I would never expect it to be worth anything.
Ram has a rubber hose under the intake that supplies hot oil to the turbo. $2k labor to change it and it fails anywhere between 25k and up miles. Rubber hose is a wear item - no warranty.
Thank you for your review on this engine. I just bought an AT4 with the Duramax. I love everything about the truck especially this engine. Hopefully now I will understand its workings better especially since this is my first diesel.
Most people won't have to deal with it, the original buyer or leaser will only have the truck a year or 2, then trade it back in, they don't give a damn that the whole oiling system is 1 rubber band away from catastrophic failure, and we know it will be catastrophic because by the time the driver figures out there's a problem the engine will be seized. No matter what nonsense "warning" they mentioned that it'll give if the belt breaks we all know that most people never pay any attention to the idiot lights on the dash...even if they did, the idiot light won't tell them what's wrong, so they'll just keep on driving till the engine locks up.
Transmission has to be backed out as well as the transfer case. Driive shafts need to be removed as well as the torque converter. They should have used a timing chain on that oil pump.
The varible cooling makes perfect sence, 277 hp and 30 mpg highway is a feat, 15 mpg with 8,000 pounds in tow is astonishing. Thats nearly a 50% improvement in fuel savings. For being a $2,500 option it pays for itself long before 150,000 miles. This really pays for itself if one tows the majority of those miles.
Everything on that engine looks expensive and labor intensive. Yeah it payed of for a few tows but you won’t like that 10,000 dollar repair bill when it eventually comes
@Mr Sunshines News flash, Sunshine: By the time your "oil pressure light" (idiot light) comes on, your bearings are already fucked... unless you think failures only happens when you're idling in your driveway. No, in reality they happen when you are working the truck, like pulling a load up a grade... so there goes that brilliant advice!
@@jedediahhoffman7925 Do you watch your oil pressure gauge all the time you're driving, when the belt breaks the oil pressure will be 0 within seconds.
@@benjaminwayneb yes i do. obviously not non stop, but i keep a close enough eye on it that i lost oil pressure, i could avoid major damage. you got to think.... if you change your oil, new filter and oil, how long does it take to get oil through the system. 2 seconds? 3 seconds? at start up.... 1.5 seconds? 2 seconds? you think having it run for 7-10 seconds with no oil pressure, one time is really that much worse than every day running it for a total of 10 or more seconds dry? now my wife.... she'd prob blow the thing up.
this engine looks amazing, honestly, the only potential issue here can be the timing belt, however, technology keeps improving and we have to improve with it, I'm giving this engine 2 thumbs up
Dude, did you pay any attention? It doesn’t have a timing belt. It has timing chains, two of them, in series. Fist one drives the high pressure injection pump, second one drives the cam shafts… (Why in the heck did they design a Diesel engine with DOHC when the main benefits of the complexity is only realized at high RPMs which diesels don’t run at?)… I digress, THE BELT YOU REFERENCED DRIVES THE OIL PUMP and is oil bathed. When, not if but when, this belt fails it will MOST LIKELY result in significant engine damage due to rod and main bearings being starved of oil. Best case scenario is to replace a belt before failure but as a professional mechanic I will say the average consumer will have long forgotten this critical service when a vehicle reaches this mileage. 2nd best case scenario when an engine losses oil pressure is immediately shut the engine off and coast the vehicle to a safe location away from traffic. But consider, how much of our driving is on busy freeways with no safe locations within coasting distance? i.e. construction zones with barricades. To add another possible point of failure this oil pump is variable displacement which depending on design details and quality of components used may work out fine but could also easily be this engines achilles’ heel. For those that may not know: When a traditional timing belt fails on an interface engine the engine immediately stalls and significant damage occurs due to valves colliding with piston crowns. When timing belts fail on non-interference engines the engine also immediately stalls but most of the time no further damage results, replace the belt and continue on.
@@preachers4135 Yes , well said. All I kept hearing is Valve this and Valve that. Wonder if they will even have the parts to service or repair. Just to complex to me, I will have to pass.
@@preachers4135 Yep, belts in oil ALWAYS fail, and way faster than the manufacturer says they will, the acids and other compounds in the oil coming from combustion make these degrade rapidly, it's a really dumb design. No engine build with a wet belt, no matter what that belt powered, was ever reliable. Just facts. When that belt fails you lose oil pressure and your engine goes bye-bye. No reason to not have a chain on there besides cost reduction. A clown made that decision. Same with the variable oil pump, more complexity and those can fail too, just to add another 0.2 mpg. Like I said, a 🤡
It sounds like this engine is extremely well thought out, unlike Ram’s sorry Ecodiesel that likes to implode & never gets the listed mpg. I drove this engine in a GMC pickup & the wife was ready to buy it! You couldn’t even tell it was a diesel!
@@juliemathis1065- Have you heard of frequent oil pump belt failures? I haven’t, but I’m not ready to buy yet. FCA has redesigned their Ecodiesel for reliability & emissions. Ford pulled their 3.0 diesel & so did Nissan. Toyota won’t even offer their great diesels in America. GM is the only maker that is building a diesel that’s reliable & efficient.
I have never seen so much crap on a strait 6 diesel. The reason I like the Cummins is it’s a strait 6. simple, dependable, and fairly easy to work on. this thing looks like Nightmare.
I stopped the video after I heard “we have a rear timing system”...engineers, I get it, you want to make a name for yourself and look good for the boss. But eventually you’re going to look like a moron when the warranty claims start rolling in. Sometimes “ingenuity” isn’t worth it. Start thinking like a normal person. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
Retards that think they have a better solution tend to say shit like this. You generally have to drop engines to change chains and pumps anyways, it isnt like this unusual service procedures. GM probably didnt expect everyone to be such an unreasonable moron when they designed this.
@@Heatherder to change oil pumps yes, (good oil pumps rarely fail) but changing a belt for the oil pump is unheard of much less decoupling the trans to do one every 150k miles. You're insane if you think that's normal or even reasonable.
Two things I dont like: 1. The oil "belt" drive. Basically a built in time bomb. 2. The turbo exhaust plumbing curving to the front instead of flipping the turbo and having the intake side on the front and a direct exhaust discharge to the rear. This keeps under hood temps down, which enables longevity of all other components.
He said you'd know the oil pump belt was failing with "appropriate Diagnostics" what the hell appropriate diagnostics telling you a belt, inside the engine is failing????? Oil pressure drops to zero?
before timing chains all engines use a timing belt, some engines still use a timing belt today! so are you saying all those engines are time bombs...? even timing chains has a service interval.
Supposedly it lasts 150,000 miles minimum and is 'easy to service', but I agree that's so dumb. The vehicle is out of warranty by that point, so if your oil pump belt breaks at 113,000 and grenades the motor, there's not a dang thing you can do about it.
Timing chains require tensioner, a wear item. Belt does not need tensioner. The big reason however is the variable displacement oil pump. It’s easier to execute w/belt than chain, gear or Jack shaft drive
Reminds me of the thousands spent to bulletproof a 6.0 Ford. Someone is going to invent a bulletproof kit for this piece of work. Great job on this design doesn’t it come with a high pressure line for the driver to lube his butthole before getting rammed at the dealership service department???
I'll give em credit for figuring out how to get the EGR after the DPF. Soot ingestion is a major deal on BMW diesels and intake manifold/swirl system get clogged up by 150K miles and EGR coolers rarely go past 100K. Also, good choice with I6, this is a big NVH advantage over the Chrysler/Fiat V6 and certainly improves packaging of the SCR, DPF, & turbo.
Why does it even have EGR? It’s been proven that robust SCR can be used to eliminate EGR, EGR coolers and all the associated re-ingested soot nightmares. This engine employees all the worst mechanical principles and technology that contribute to an engines longevity, reliability, cost of ownership, repairs and maintenance. IMO if an engineering team was tasked with developing a power-plant that would kill the ambitions of the diesel truck consumer this is the engine they would dream up.
Its not the EGR by itself getting those clogged up, it's the PCV valve that's not a service item for most dealers that cover everything in fine oil mist after 30-50k miles of life, which then it traps the soot on the oil.
In the first minute of this video I went from being excited about this engine to completely writing it off as another designed-to-fail turd. All the comments about the engineers being on drugs are spot on.
I was considering this as my next truck. GM guy through and through...but I have to agree with others. That timing system looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Give me a lifetime warranty parts and labor and I would consider it. But, this just confirms that the V8 duramax is just better all over the place and worth the extra coin.
Right I'm looking in the next year or to to buy a new truck and I was considering one with this engine but after seeing that the oil pump is ran by a belt I might not even buy a gm 6.7 gets great fuel mileage deleted
Farmer Ted . Couldn’t agree more. As a technician I’m always amazed how engineers can make repairs so difficult. GM came up with a three piece thermostat housing. KISS principle should be taught the first week in EVERY engineering classes.
Even after you pull the transmission, you'll still be replacing two chains and a belt from underneath the truck with the engine against the firewall. If you're going to do all that, you might as well pull the engine. Anyone who thinks this job would be easier than replacing a front timing chain is nuts. And a belt driven oil pump? If that belt ever brakes, it's not going to give you any warning. If it brakes you'll have to pull the engine anyway because it'll be junk. The only reason to design something like this is to sell parts and service. They are building vehicles that you have to take it to the dealership for any work or buy another truck.
I don't think the transmission bell housing area, after transmission is removed, is "against the firewall" and the belt is in the lower half as well.. you wouldn't have to remove the chains to change the belt.,, If the chains fail the engine is coming out anyway.. pretty much guaranteed. I don't know if the oil pump belt is as big a deal as people are making it.. engines with belted timing belts can be a pain it the butt and expensive to change as well. It's one of those things that after you reach a certain amount of miles you want to bite the bullet and pay to replace BEFORE they fail.. I don't think you would want to chance the oil pump belt failing on this either.. not because of "burning up the engine from no oil".. I think I would be more worried about what's left of the belt going up into the timing chain and causing catastrophic damage.
Oil pump belt breaks pulling a trailer up mountain warning lights come on as you try to get off the road engine seizes up I think you might have to pull more than just the transmission. So much for long term reliability
Access the belt by simply dropping the transmission? Great idea!! The engineers should get a medal for making it so simple. Idiots , how much will that cost? Imagine how hot under hood it will be with all that emissions garbage on there . Have fun who ever buys this disaster.
That's what I thought initially. But actually, dropping the transmission would probably not be any more difficult than if everything were up front, where you would have to remove the the radiator, fans, etc. Of course, we're talking for a technician, not someone in their own driveway...but it is doubtful that most consumers would attempt a job like this. I do agree with you about the under hood heat, though. That could end up being a problem over time.
The RV Connection , at least the front parts are manageable for the average backyard mechanic. A transmission not so much. Just gm making it overly complicated so you need to bring it to the dealership and eat a huge bill. Shop rate here is $160 an hour, so it will be expensive. I think about the poor person that’s going to own these trucks after the warranty is expired .
I've had mine for a couple years and just bought a suburban with it as well. If it needs a belt at 150,000 miles then so be it. Its only a 995$ option on the SUVs now so its dumb not to get it as an option. Its awesome. Period.
This is very Ironic! If you listen closely, "Run to the Hills" is playing in the back round! Old Maiden sending a message! Get away! It's about the 10 minute mark, and very subtle! But if you hear it, it's perfect for the moment!
Belt is rated for 150K. At which point, you have to pay Mr. Goodwrench $3,500.00. $2,000.00 of that goes straight to GM. The Engineers were told to develop future revenue streams for the shareholders. I'm so over Government Motor's Bullshit. I have been a Chevy guy since the 1970's, but the next truck I'm buying will be a Ford F-250.
@@trp2413 I had an 2008 Silverado. GM designed the truck so you can't change the spark plugs, brake pads, headlights, they even put a bar over the battery just to make changing that a pain in the ass! GM: want to stay in business? Make these changes: 1.) Build trucks that are easily owner serviceable. 2.) Build trucks with the best quality, high reliability parts possible. 3.) Include a diagnostics menu in the truck's Infotainment System so the truck tells the Owner exactly what has failed or what is going to fail. If you do these 3 things you will build a loyalty like you haven't seen since the 1950's. What's better; squeezing revenue out of your customers with overpriced and unnecessary trips to the Dealerships for repairs that piss off your customers, OR Building an honest truck that makes a truck buyer feel like the Manufacturer has done everything in their power to build the most reliable truck possible, and if the truck does have a problem, it is easy for the owner to economically repair himself. Lose the idiot lights, replace them with a detailed diagnostics read out in plain english. If you do this, your only problem will be how to build enough trucks to keep up with the demand.
Sorry Sam bains, Ford is the only one left who has to pay the the government back money they borrowed. It was 5.9 BILLION dollars they took in June 2009. This is verified in an article in Forbs magazine. Look it up. There are about fifteen different other reputable news and money market companies that report the same. They borrowed the money the the exact same month as GM and Chrysler. Ford has to pay back 577 million by the end of this year and finish paying off the entire 5.9 BILLION by June 15 2022! GM has already payed off there debt. Chrysler sold out to Fiat. Ford is the only one to pay what it owes back. It's been 10 years. Don't believe me??!! Go ahead and Google it. Ford is the real "GOVERNMENT MOTORS". So should think twice about buying a government motor Ford pop can poor excuse for a truck.
I don't mind working on engines. The problem is getting the customer to understand all the time it took to remove the failed part and put it back together. Just like the timing belt on the Subaru sti. Also if the engine and components are so great, the warranty should reflect on that.
Come on guys, replacing the 150k mi oil pump belt won't be big deal since the trans will come out every 50k mi anyway! Just replace the belt every second or third time the trans is out! lol
@@mtcruse I know they didn't but a 4L60E would definitely turn me away! I'm dealing with one now on my 1991 Chevrolet Silverado C1500. I rebuilt the original one three times and then purchased a rebuilt 4L60E to replace it. Now I'm waiting on the manufacturer to send me a replacement to the replacement! UGH! I think Fred Flintstone's foot powered stonemobile is a better choice!
Technology sure is cool, but goddamn that’s a lot to go wrong!! It will be interesting to see how this goes with reliability and service! Things like this active coolant valve... good hell!
Most of this stuff is way to advanced for the common car buyer to understand. GM knows what they are doing when it comes to designing and building a Diesel engine, I bet this will be a very good engine
The engineers told me the main reason for this is that there is less harmonic distortion on the back of the crank than the front, which makes for more accurate timing/fuel delivery.
@The Restless Traveller Correct, and now a year later, we are finding the BIO (Belt in Oil) kits with special rubber compounds will outlast the motor.. I can't believe all the kids here posing as clairvoyants and engineers trying to impress people.
Definitely sounds like they thought of everything to keep factory trained mechanics with specialized tools fully employed. But at least they made it so they can get repairs done in 40 hours or so. I had a 2004 chevy 3500 work truck that blew its heater core. It took the dealer 3 days and the complete dismantling of interior to replace a $50 part. The labor bill was over $1000. Smart planning by the engineers
That's probably true in all modern cars... I'm a dinosaur worked on a lot of pre computer, pre plastic cars over the years. A heater core was a couple hour project
I work on diesels every day and servicing that oil pump belt is no big deal, this engine is a great design and better than ford and Ram small diesel engines
@@mylarson7640 Larson the fact that you commented On someone else’s comment from 3 months ago trying to argue that this $3,000 upgrade of an engine to save you thousands in fuel makes you you look like a dumb ass I’m disappointed in you stop commenting on the internet
@@mefobills279 I'm not much of a GM fan anymore, but aside from that if the engine wasn't wound up high and hard all the time pulling, the belt is probably fine for 200k. They've done 150k mile inspections and the belt looked great. Typically daily commute, tow ever so often like an average user and 200k wouldn't scare me
They say 150k but I know of at least 3 timing belts that had 75k service intervals and I never touched them well past 250k. Also their was a DMax rep on another channel that said they tested the belts on their test engines at 300k and there was no deflection/stretch in the oil pump belt, also part of the design is to keep the belt wet with oil from the sump which prolongs it’s life. Much ado about nothing tbh. And lastly to service the oil pump belt you only need to move the transmission about 1.5 inches back to get access to it.
I remember reading about GM adding an extra injector for regen on the LML to avoid oil contamination issues with post injections. It makes me wonder why they went back to post injections. Looking at everything else, it doesn't seem like they did it to avoid complexity. Rant: Variable oil pump, variable coolant valve, variable exhaust restriction, variable high and low pressure EGRs, Swirl valves. What could go wrong Mr. Murphy? And for the love of Pete, why put a belt on the oil pump when the timing chain is RIGHT THERE? Don't worry, if it fails, you will be warned and be able to stop; meaning you will instantly loose oil pressure and get a warning that your bearings are eating themselves as you take a few seconds to read the warning, slow down, pull over, and shut it off. Then tow it to a shop where they will have it on a hoist for 2 days and charge about 2 grand to change that stupid unnecessary belt and hope your motor is still good. Rant over. I did really enjoy the in depth look at the motor but it didn't really instill confidence.
Have about 2k on my Silverado 3.0, out of 3 months I've owned it it's spent almost a month at the dealership for service, no heat from new- had to pull dash to replace heater box because of missing internal linkage, issue #2 is an aggravating buzzing vibration noise at dead stop to about 10 mph, quiet in reverse, dealership been playing with airbox / duct, sound changed but not gone, now they say could be normal noise? Wtf
Perfect engine for the pie plate starter generator hybrid. I would like to see GM put it on the front of the engine. Everything could be electric and eliminate the serpentine belt. If they did it properly it could be maintained much easier than any other engine and everything could be more strategically located. For instance the air conditioning compressor could be located within the heating system and made to be easily worked on.
Interesting video & I believe this engine has potential to be good. That said, I wouldn’t buy any vehicle with a new power train for several years. I prefer to let somebody else be the guinea pig and get the bugs worked out
Now it is time to put this engine in all the SUV’s. If you have never driven a diesel, you do not know what you are missing. This looks like a great engine.
The amount of hate for that stupid rubber oil pump belt, super strechy chain at the REAR of the engine, makes me laugh like hell. What a piece of shit. Like GM has an awesome reputation with timing chains since 2009.
@@dalemarshall625 Because it takes a lot of gears to get an overhead cam setup to work. Look at an old Cat 1693 with the DOHC, had like 3 idler gears just to get power up to the cams. It is obvious these were built only to the price point and first owner needs. They don't care about anyone that would own one of these after warranty is up.
@@gilvietor1918 I thought the same thing with the 6.2L but it should be faster to pull a head than dropping the trans. I really was contemplating the diesel because I wanted to own a diesel. I probably would have been happy with either.
its not a duramax,,the 6.6 was isuzu,,is this isuzu.?.or there own stupid design,,do gm ever learn,??????...NO. here in aus,we have the ford focus,with a tdi,2lt,,i own one,,goes like the powers of piss..italian diesel.fkn reliable..gm should shut the doors...like,29 yrs ago..
@@phantomwalker8251 Yes, this too is Isuzu, same w/4 cyl’s D-Max in Canyon and most small displacement engines in GM products. Basically anything with modern 4V combustion chambers, diesel or gas, is Isuzu engineered. It’s GM’s powertrain development partner
@@CoalitionGaming That’s completely false. Firstly, VM Motori has been a subsidiary of Fiat for years, which of course is now part of Stellantis AG. The VM Motori engineered 3L V6 is used in Stellantis owned Ram 1500 and Jeep GC, as well as Fiat badged cars and vans. The VM Motori 2.8L was a I-4 diesel, it was used is several Jeep products, primarily in EU market as well as other FCA products over the years. Duramax is an international registered trademark of Isuzu. It would be illegal to use that name on non-Isuzu engine product w/o a license to use that name. GM & Isuzu have had long running relationship, dating back to ‘98 and co-manage the DMax production plant that produces this engine and the 6.6L V8 diesel. Isuzu has also been responsible for the engineering and development of several other GM engines, including the 3.6L V6 petrol, 2L 4-cyl diesel and the 1.2/1.3L 3-cyl engines.
CAN YOU PLEASE do this for the 2.8L as well? I dont have the 3.0 and found this super interesting. I have the baby D-max canyon and would be super interested in that video aswell
Hey Kody, unfortunately, no. The media people frequently roll out cutaways or models of engines when they're introduced, but not afterwards. If you look around, however, I'm sure you'll find someone who has done an overview of the 2.8. Thanks for watching!
My friend got one of these in a 2021 1500 truck, its very quiet, actually makes a good sound under power. At least the rear timing chain is simple, not like a Audi 4.2 etc. The timing belt is wierd, but with regular oil changes it could probably last a very long time, I wonder on this truck if you could just back the trans off 6inches etc to service it, drop a few driveshafts or its a huge deal, pull transfer case etc to change the belt. You can see all the clever packaging to get into a compact modular unit that can go into just about any commercial\personal vehicle, the emmisions control is pretty neat with all the interesting coolant control (scary to have engine oil cooler like that, if gaskets fail...) Hopefully they're specced top quality parts on this thing for belts\gaskets or it could be, not so good.
@@chrisguillen1495 It shows a OEM doesn't give a crap about after the sale with a design like this, considering this thing is also meant for Commercial application and likely built to a price, pushing 30psi of boost stock (lots of CFM I'm sure) its not good.
@@chrisguillen1495 Dropping a tranmission is "monster amount of labor" every 150k-200k miles? Man how were clutches replaced in the old days, must have just junked the car every time it needed a clutch!
Tbh all 3 of these little diesels in the fords, rams, and chevys are so good. I know many people with ecodiesels and duramax and they have nothing bad to say about them besides emissions systems. Even the little powerstroke is decent... however if you need to work on them make sure you smoke a pound of weed so you dont die of anger over how annoying it is to even look at them
I think it’s about time we got some small diesel (reasonable size)engines for the half ton market. My only real problem with this new Diesel engine is the “oil pump drive belt”(wet belt) I don’t understand why it too could not be a chain like the rest of it🤷♂️
Thanks for the video. I've been looking to pick up a new Jeep Wrangler with the diesel, but since they didn't offer a manual I've written that off. I was thinking about the 3.0 duramax as a secondary vehicle. After this video, that one is off the list now too.
DEF= saving saving the environment one plastic jug at a time!
Lolololololol
One plastic jug full of piss, lol
Obama tax is all that is ! I bet repairs for that shit is in the BILLIONS every year !
I don't always "save" the environment with DEF additives, but when I do, I always make sure the empty DEF jugs end up in the landfill. =p
@@steak8278 Off road heavy equipment has that shit now too
Rear timing chain, mechanics are gonna love you for that one, way to go GM, you did it again, it scream Canyon, which had similar, can be bought cheap because the repair is more than the value of the truck!
“Serviceable by simply dropping the transmission” - 😂 what a joke 😂
Engineer's trying to be a mechanic.. oh its easy to do.. lol
He didn't mention removing the flywheel to get at the cover. (Shade tree stuff.) This engine is built for the government, not the customer.
@@dscottmacleod321 How is this belt service any worse than servicing Ford's Eco-boost water pump? Half the mechanics say the easy way is to pull the engine, for a damn water pump.
@@wymple09 GM trucks are WAY easier to work on by far and more reliable.
Yeah...I'm a hard pass on this one.
No such thing as
“simply dropping the transmission “
You could simply build a nuclear reactor to provide power for the truck.
I was thinking the same thing. Only people who don't have to actually drop the transmission would refer to it as "simply." I haven't had to change a water pump on Ford's 3.5, but I've heard it was a bitch. Engineers do a lot of stupid things. The spark plugs on top of the cylinder heads of the ford modular engines, the timing chain on the back of the 4.0 sohc, the belt and chains on the back of this diesel, etc.
He didn't say you had to drop the trany, he said move it back to reach in and change the belt. Just Saying. Now with that being said. it does seem like a pain but atleast its not being run on one belt.
@@larrydecomic1791
Moving it back is still a laborious task. You'll have to disconnect the driveshaft, probably remove the transmission mount crossmember, and replace the bell house bolts with longer ones that can support the weight. You might as well drop if you're going thru all that. Nothing is ever as easy as they guys in lab coats make it sound.
@@brussell639 I Dismantle trucks for a living. Moving the transmission is no big deal, especially if you are just moving it back far enough for service.
@@steven530x
I suppose some clarity would help. If you do it for a living, it's going to be easier than for an enthusiast or DIYs. I never did it for a living, but I've changed enough transmissions that I certainly could have. And I always considered it a big pain in the ass. Especially those bellhouse bolts that you can only get to with a wrench and only have about a 1/16 - 1/8 of turning room. I still do all the maintenance on my vehicles. This would be something I wouldn't look forward to.
I bet someone will come out with a chain conversion kit, this is why I don't want to work on cars anymore the engineers were taught with common core principles
Chains are 100% certainly inferior for non-timing applications.
You know in your heart of hearts it is engineered failure to force people to spend money. Can’t have anything that lasts too long nowadays, cuts into profit margins
In a future version of this engine. GM will use a chain and they will offer an update kit for the older versions.
#PLANNEDOBSOLESCENCE
@@Heatherder how you figure that
What happened to using gears like the old straight six in the old days, oh yeah, they last too long..
They are on obsolete design. Exactly why nobody uses them anymore
@@steven530x Gears aren't obsolete, literally every heavy duty engine uses them. Chains and belts are used to cut costs.
@@jellyfrosh9102 You sir are absolutely correct. Heavy duty vehicle engines, not compact truck engines.
@@steven530x The 6.6L Duramax, 6.7L Powerstroke, and 6.7L Cummins engines, all in pickup trucks, use timing gears.
There's quite literally no reason other than cost and minor noise reduction to use a belt or chain over gears, they are an inferior design.
@@jellyfrosh9102 I know. But I am referring to the light duty 3.0 duramax and the majority of gasoline engines in light duty small vehicles
1:39 service not that difficult 1:44 you just need to back the transmission off wtf do you consider difficult, replacing the frame?
This is the best video of the architecture I've seen. Nicely done !
Thanks, Paul! Glad you enjoyed it.
I’ve had mine for two years and it does great. I own 3 semi trucks and what Chevy did with the EGR and after treatment is very cool. They’ve simplified and made those systems much more reliable. Having recirculation after the filter, so close to the turbo, and no hydrocarbon injector eliminates so many problems.
Also, I’m not sure many people have owned a vehicle long enough to service something like a timing belt. I had a 2003 VW Jetta that needed a timing belt change. You have to almost disassemble the car to get to it and it takes a mechanic almost a whole day to do. With this belt, 150k mike service, you drop the transmission, replace it, bolt it back on, that’s absolutely easier than what you have to do on many other vehicles.
And the coolant system, on an 18 degree day I can warm up for 3-5 minutes, drive about 2.5 miles, and I’m already approaching full temperature. It gets hot almost as fast as a gasoline car. I have nothing but good things to say.
Dropping a transmission is not as simple as you make it out to be. Especially with these new automatics with so much shit plugged into them. Absolutely retarded design and once they hit 100k miles they're going to be not worth what you owe on them
You mean all those connectors that are designed to be disconnected if need be? Oh No!! Not all those things🙄. I own one. I love the truck. Probably won’t own it when it reaches 150k. Even if it did, my 14 year old son and I removed the transmission from my f250 to rebuild.. anything is hard when you don’t know what you’re doing.
@@michaelatkin9649 Well probably easier to drop the trans than tearing the whole front of the engine apart if it were mounted there.
Let's be real here. A 4L80 from 1998 is an 8hr job for remove and replace. Remove and replace on the 10L80 in the 3.0L Duramax is a 12hr job. The oil pump belt adds 0.1 hr. A timing belt job on a 2015 Jetta TDI is 4.8hrs.
12hrs is not bad for something that has a 150k/15 year service interval anyway, especially in a truck that saves you $10-13k in fuel costs over that same time.
Bullshit on the jetta Tom. Nice try, I know all about those jettas. They are not hard AT ALL. Good one. Why would you even say that? Literally the easiest timing belt ever
I was sold on this efficient redesign until I saw oil pump belt! This engine was designed to make money via service at 150000 miles. Why couldn't they use ALL lifetime chains? Now I change my mind screw this engine, and the extra $3000 GM charges for the upgrade. Any fuel savings you gain will be all lost from the cost to replace that oil belt! will be at least another $2000 or $2500 to repair. Idiot engineers and GM executives.
Get ready for the pump belt recall. Hot oil and belt will never cohabitate for 150k.
david yee . you'll just spend your money on some other new garbage so why not just go with it .
I agree that’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. (Yea let’s put a rubber belt to drive the HOT OIL pump great idea pure genius right there 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@carmichaelmoritz8662 I'm done with new. Pre-1970 is the way to go.
@@OldSoldier54 yes i agree , i also like older vehicles . now if we can get enough people to join in on certain values and work together helping each other , life as we know it would be better for all good poor people .
A belt driven oil pump?
Another vote for drug testing.
To make it even worse, the belt is partly submerged in hot oil. So, why not use a chaine? Someone will never pass a drug test.
WHY does the oil pump have to be belt-driven? Oil-immersed gear drive will last forever.
Dumb is all I can say I’ll stick with my 12v Cummins
and drop trans!!!!!
Durability and reliability for a belt driven oil pump is nonsense.
150k miles is nothing.
Big thumbs down.
Gears and chains go inside, plastic and rubber go outside sir. Hopefully it's a one year design for GM.
Nope, seen a guy with 380k on original belt. Dude has 1.2 million on his 2013 6.6 as well
The newer Ford 2.7l ecoboost gas engine has a wet belt oil pump drive, I still prefer to keep my truck about as simple as i can so I don't drive one of those either.
Anthony.. Bio kits (belt in oil) will be all you will see in the future. Noisy/heavy/horsepower robbing timing chains and gears are quietly riding into the sunset. The Timing Belt in Oil was developed to replace the metal chain. The rubber is made to last and run in oil for years.
@@lowboy003 i have a timing chain on my tacoma and it has over 300,000k miles on original timing chain sir.
@@mauiboy96768 You can't compare any GM to a Toyota lmao that's not fair.
The engineers treat "maintenance" as removing the transmission 🤣👏👏👏
for a manual transmission, clutch needs to be replaced, that is also a maintenance item.
I have one in my 2022 Escalade ESV. I love this engine!!! It’s blown me away in every area that I have previously had issues with on my Cummins and Powerstrokes. This 3.0 is something from the future I’m telling you. If I gave you the keys you would swear there is a much bigger engine than a 3 liter. GM has hit a home run with this. Go buy one and see what I’m talking about. It’s really that good. Thumbs up GM 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Cmon man these engines are in fact good but we all know you didnt have issues with a cummins... only issue with the cummins is emissions control and they are the lesst problematic out of the bunch as long as you run them hard to keep the dpf filter clean
I wish I could get paid to say good things.
But no really I'm sure it is great truck to drive and enjoy. But it's prone to have bad problems. It's all in the point of elimination. And don't forget it feels much bigger than a 3.0l becouse deisel is almost superior in every way. Mainly the torque and efficiency. This one will lack in reliability/longevity.
@@masonbsker64 I am not paid to say anything if that's what you are insinuating. I am just trying to explain how happy I am with this purchase. It's rare something goes as planned these days. So when it goes better than expected I like to give credit where it is due. I am just an average guy who lives in New Orleans Louisiana. I am in the Telecom field. Nothing about my post is paid for or compensated in anyway. I bought a new truck and the engine is awesome for a change. That's it. My Fords had major problems with various issues. Power Strokes have had major issues everyone knows about. The Cumminns is awesome in my boat. But not so good in my trucks. Sorry but it's true. Yes most issues were emissions related but GM has to play by the same rules. Granted this truck is new, but I'm telling you it's awesome so far. It starts instantly. It's so quiet you would almost swear it was a gasser. And it pulls all the way to 5K RPM like a gasser. Just go test drive one. Then come back and tell me if i'm lying about anything I said. And again, I haven't ever been paid one red cent by anyone for this review. Just the opposite. I spent a fortune on my 2022 Escalade ESV. I wish someone would pay me for my review!
love the title of this video, the one thing I do know is I will never have one of these pieces of scrap parked in my driveway!!!! EVER!!!
Its the Colorado timing chain all over again... just watched that vid. So sad to see the same mistakes being made. Gears cost money, cost = bad. GM, please don't let these folks anywhere near the LS engine.
The ls has a timing chain
Serviceable belt? Removing the transmission to service the belt?
Dropping a transmission is much easier than pulling and engine. A 1 hour job. Easy.
@JJ Bookman Joking how? Dropping a transmission isnt shit. Any mechanic with average intelligence can drop a transmission in no time
Ford removes the Cab And front clip to "service" the 6.7 or 6.4 liter.
@@steven530x "any mechanic with average intelligence".....but not the average consumer.
This is terrible engineering.
@@nellyfarnsworth7381 And on the Econolines, remove the body off the frame.
Listen to what Ozzy’s is trying to tell ya in the back ground, buying this is going off the rails on a crazy train!
And iron maiden telling you to RUN TO THE HILLS!
Oil pump belt? More like extortion belt.
GM just needs to go ahead and include one belt change, between 100k and 200k miles, in price of truck. that would go a long way to ease customers minds.
Yeah " IF " its NOT a failure point that blows up the engine because of failure Like l belts do
That's a great idea.
Seriously?
No way GM would extend a warranty like that..
Especially when these engines- with thier impressive price tags and performance- start grenading by the thousands from designed-in fail points popping apart ?
If Any of those 3 critical timing chain- oil belt fails, the engines instantly a boatanchor....pistons scored, valves bent, head/ block cracked..
@@aaronhumphrey2009 I agree but how did the block crack?
@@russianacorns8080 when the top of the piston hits the open valve, the valves bent, the piston distorted, sometimes the con rod bends / breaks loose, bearings squished out of round, actual block cracking is rare..
If the timing chain is spec’d for life, why didn’t they drive the oil pump from that?
I really want an answer for this GM!
Timing chains do not last that long. It's either going to be the tensioner, guides, or the chain stretch that will compromise the system. Timing gears are very reliable, but they don't use them.
What they meant was the Chains will out last the belt and when the belt fails and you loose oil pressure under load the engine will be so damaged that it will be it's "life" and thus the chains are lifetime.
@@gunslingernumber1698. Timing chains can last a very long time. 400K, 500k, even a million miles
@@nunya9555 Wanna know what outlasts timing chains? Gears.
Honestly, I was excited about the new Duramax, but after seeing this, Screw that, give me a 12 Valve Cummins all day long.
Cummins makes an excellent 2.8 litre 4 cylinder engine.
If you want a 12 valve Cummins then you've never owned one.
@@kevinmccune682 just like the ones that are on Chinese vans pick ups and suv here .. that looks similar to the japanese theyd copy from ..
@@baecchi4153Sorry, I did not catch your nom de plume till later.
@@kevinmccune682 Chinese car manufacturer "foton" are cumins powered.. a i4 turbo intercooler 2.8 diesel .. the foton traveler is a van copied from toyota hi-ace vans .. forons pick ups and suv are powered by the same engine and are one way or another looks very similar in appearance from japanese car manufacturer ..
The belt won't be an issue for most new buyers. It's the guys that buy used around 100K miles that will need to keep the oil pump belt in mind for replacement cost.
I get your point. Also when they have that thing down they could probably fix other things as well. Everyone’s looking for amazing reliability and nonexistent maintenance
It has taken me 15 years to put 60,000 on my Sierra 2005.
@@1969CampEvans that's abnormal
20 years of diesel mechanic experience talking here- "Run away!!"
when he said... "all you have to do is drop the transmission" i thought the EXACT same thing... NOOOOO THANK YOU..... why would you not put a metal chain in there like everything else? what a bunch of fuckery....
"RUN AWAY!!! FAST!!!!!"
James I have a question for you
Is the F150 3L Diesel beter
James Koskinen I have a question
Is the f150 3L Diesel beter
@@ismaelosman9848
No. It's extremely over priced the way it's packaged in the upper trim and you can buy an f250 diesel for less and tow more. The F150 it isn't designed to last more than 150,000 miles, has a timing belt rather than gears, its new technology which isn't exactly in Fords favor and compromises durability for weight savings. Buy the 5.0 gas engine if you're looking at half ton trucks.
GM loves 150k gotchas. Enjoyed my 08 Grand Prix till I found out the torque converter was designed to fail at 150k-170k. Got to drop the whole A frame to change. I expect this truck will be similar. Will buy RAM or Toyota for my next truck.
A belt really in the rear at that wtf🤦♂️
It's easy to service. Simply 'slide the transmission back' and there you are!
oil pump driven by a belt, man it figures GM would be so brilliant. They will sell more engines that way because not it cannot last, then again with the GM = gov motors name I would never expect it to be worth anything.
Ram has a rubber hose under the intake that supplies hot oil to the turbo. $2k labor to change it and it fails anywhere between 25k and up miles. Rubber hose is a wear item - no warranty.
@@csinalabama73
What engine are you exactly talking about? EcoDiesel? 6.7L Cummins? Any Hemi? Pentastar?
@@csinalabama73 lies
Thank you for your review on this engine. I just bought an AT4 with the Duramax. I love everything about the truck especially this engine. Hopefully now I will understand its workings better especially since this is my first diesel.
You are welcome! I hope you enjoy in good health.
Wow belt driven oil pump inside timing cover at back of the motor. Drop the trans mission......good god.
Most people won't have to deal with it, the original buyer or leaser will only have the truck a year or 2, then trade it back in, they don't give a damn that the whole oiling system is 1 rubber band away from catastrophic failure, and we know it will be catastrophic because by the time the driver figures out there's a problem the engine will be seized. No matter what nonsense "warning" they mentioned that it'll give if the belt breaks we all know that most people never pay any attention to the idiot lights on the dash...even if they did, the idiot light won't tell them what's wrong, so they'll just keep on driving till the engine locks up.
“It’s not difficult at all!”
“The transmission just has to be backed out”
🙄🙄🙄🙄
Zac. So... like $25 labor? 😇
Exactly my thought.
Between 600 or 1200 for that service. I asked...
Transmission has to be backed out as well as the transfer case. Driive shafts need to be removed as well as the torque converter.
They should have used a timing chain on that oil pump.
After saying it was rear mounted and a belt, then he said "easy"? What ever happened to gear driven diesel? Definitely financial choice.
Obviously designed by engineers that have never had to work on their vehicle to get to work the next day.
That's engineers in a nutshell that you have to drop the fuel tank to change the headlights.
You must own a Ford
Pay no attention to what people say, pay attention to what people buy.
Probably less than 1% of the buys work on their cars.
I bet those engineers don't work on their own diesel engines.
The varible cooling makes perfect sence, 277 hp and 30 mpg highway is a feat, 15 mpg with 8,000 pounds in tow is astonishing. Thats nearly a 50% improvement in fuel savings. For being a $2,500 option it pays for itself long before 150,000 miles. This really pays for itself if one tows the majority of those miles.
Everything on that engine looks expensive and labor intensive. Yeah it payed of for a few tows but you won’t like that 10,000 dollar repair bill when it eventually comes
Nothing on this engine makes economical sense. They’ve added even more moving parts that’s will need to be serviced and replaced
I'd get the 7.3l ford and have a CNG conversion
When the oil pump belt fails you will be warned when the engine grenades!
@Mr Sunshines News flash, Sunshine: By the time your "oil pressure light" (idiot light) comes on, your bearings are already fucked... unless you think failures only happens when you're idling in your driveway. No, in reality they happen when you are working the truck, like pulling a load up a grade... so there goes that brilliant advice!
Okay whatever you say!
or you could just watch your oil pressure guage regularly and act accordingly like a reasonable human being....
@@jedediahhoffman7925 Do you watch your oil pressure gauge all the time you're driving, when the belt breaks the oil pressure will be 0 within seconds.
@@benjaminwayneb yes i do. obviously not non stop, but i keep a close enough eye on it that i lost oil pressure, i could avoid major damage. you got to think.... if you change your oil, new filter and oil, how long does it take to get oil through the system. 2 seconds? 3 seconds? at start up.... 1.5 seconds? 2 seconds? you think having it run for 7-10 seconds with no oil pressure, one time is really that much worse than every day running it for a total of 10 or more seconds dry? now my wife.... she'd prob blow the thing up.
this engine looks amazing, honestly, the only potential issue here can be the timing belt, however, technology keeps improving and we have to improve with it, I'm giving this engine 2 thumbs up
Dude, did you pay any attention? It doesn’t have a timing belt. It has timing chains, two of them, in series. Fist one drives the high pressure injection pump, second one drives the cam shafts… (Why in the heck did they design a Diesel engine with DOHC when the main benefits of the complexity is only realized at high RPMs which diesels don’t run at?)… I digress, THE BELT YOU REFERENCED DRIVES THE OIL PUMP and is oil bathed. When, not if but when, this belt fails it will MOST LIKELY result in significant engine damage due to rod and main bearings being starved of oil.
Best case scenario is to replace a belt before failure but as a professional mechanic I will say the average consumer will have long forgotten this critical service when a vehicle reaches this mileage. 2nd best case scenario when an engine losses oil pressure is immediately shut the engine off and coast the vehicle to a safe location away from traffic. But consider, how much of our driving is on busy freeways with no safe locations within coasting distance? i.e. construction zones with barricades. To add another possible point of failure this oil pump is variable displacement which depending on design details and quality of components used may work out fine but could also easily be this engines achilles’ heel.
For those that may not know: When a traditional timing belt fails on an interface engine the engine immediately stalls and significant damage occurs due to valves colliding with piston crowns. When timing belts fail on non-interference engines the engine also immediately stalls but most of the time no further damage results, replace the belt and continue on.
@@preachers4135 Yes , well said. All I kept hearing is Valve this and Valve that. Wonder if they will even have the parts to service or repair. Just to complex to me, I will have to pass.
@@preachers4135 Yep, belts in oil ALWAYS fail, and way faster than the manufacturer says they will, the acids and other compounds in the oil coming from combustion make these degrade rapidly, it's a really dumb design. No engine build with a wet belt, no matter what that belt powered, was ever reliable. Just facts. When that belt fails you lose oil pressure and your engine goes bye-bye. No reason to not have a chain on there besides cost reduction. A clown made that decision. Same with the variable oil pump, more complexity and those can fail too, just to add another 0.2 mpg. Like I said, a 🤡
It sounds like this engine is extremely well thought out, unlike Ram’s sorry Ecodiesel that likes to implode & never gets the listed mpg. I drove this engine in a GMC pickup & the wife was ready to buy it! You couldn’t even tell it was a diesel!
Give them a few years.
I think they put too much thought into it.
Oil pump belt. And you still want to buy it???
@@juliemathis1065- Have you heard of frequent oil pump belt failures? I haven’t, but I’m not ready to buy yet. FCA has redesigned their Ecodiesel for reliability & emissions. Ford pulled their 3.0 diesel & so did Nissan. Toyota won’t even offer their great diesels in America. GM is the only maker that is building a diesel that’s reliable & efficient.
You guys really made a lot of problems for the aftermarket to fix on this one.
For sure! Mechanics have job security, if the industry can recruit and retain mechanics. Now about that labor time book…
I have never seen so much crap on a strait 6 diesel. The reason I like the Cummins is it’s a strait 6. simple, dependable, and fairly easy to work on. this thing looks like Nightmare.
I stopped the video after I heard “we have a rear timing system”...engineers, I get it, you want to make a name for yourself and look good for the boss. But eventually you’re going to look like a moron when the warranty claims start rolling in. Sometimes “ingenuity” isn’t worth it. Start thinking like a normal person. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
Greg Root same here they tried the same thing in the Colorado
The engineers may not like the name that they make for themselves, lol!
Retards that think they have a better solution tend to say shit like this. You generally have to drop engines to change chains and pumps anyways, it isnt like this unusual service procedures. GM probably didnt expect everyone to be such an unreasonable moron when they designed this.
They already look moronic.
@@Heatherder to change oil pumps yes, (good oil pumps rarely fail) but changing a belt for the oil pump is unheard of much less decoupling the trans to do one every 150k miles. You're insane if you think that's normal or even reasonable.
This technology is incredible . There’s a lot going on in this small compact diesel engine .
Two things I dont like:
1. The oil "belt" drive. Basically a built in time bomb.
2. The turbo exhaust plumbing curving to the front instead of flipping the turbo and having the intake side on the front and a direct exhaust discharge to the rear. This keeps under hood temps down, which enables longevity of all other components.
Yeah. GM screws the pooch again. They never learn.
@@OldSoldier54 Sorry but looks like you're wrong. Two years later and nothing but great reviews on this engine from everyone!
@@edwardpate6128 How many 2 year old vehicle have issues, seriously, that's your benchmark, 2 years ???
He said you'd know the oil pump belt was failing with "appropriate Diagnostics" what the hell appropriate diagnostics telling you a belt, inside the engine is failing????? Oil pressure drops to zero?
before timing chains all engines use a timing belt, some engines still use a timing belt today! so are you saying all those engines are time bombs...? even timing chains has a service interval.
I don't always watch tech videos on diesel engines but, when I do, I like it when they have Ozzy Osborne and Iron Maiden playing in the background 🎶👊🏻
I stopped watching at 'timing belt for oil pump'. What a joke. Planned obsolescence!
Yup. Has Permanent timing chains and Cam chains. Come on guys. Just one more chain. So dumb.
Supposedly it lasts 150,000 miles minimum and is 'easy to service', but I agree that's so dumb. The vehicle is out of warranty by that point, so if your oil pump belt breaks at 113,000 and grenades the motor, there's not a dang thing you can do about it.
Proper Diesel engines have chains. Other than that no thanks.
It's a metallic belt. Lighter and more efficient than a conventional chain. Plus it will warn you the moment it fails if it ever actually did.
@Don Olypopper I dont know where you got that info, but yes it is wet. To help lubricate it and the chains since they are metallic
Ok so why have a belt for the oil pump in the first place if you have a timing chain? What am I missing here?
Timing chains require tensioner, a wear item. Belt does not need tensioner. The big reason however is the variable displacement oil pump. It’s easier to execute w/belt than chain, gear or Jack shaft drive
Reminds me of the thousands spent to bulletproof a 6.0 Ford. Someone is going to invent a bulletproof kit for this piece of work. Great job on this design doesn’t it come with a high pressure line for the driver to lube his butthole before getting rammed at the dealership service department???
I think they expect to dry ream buyers
That’s the “wet kit” option-$600.00.
I'll give em credit for figuring out how to get the EGR after the DPF. Soot ingestion is a major deal on BMW diesels and intake manifold/swirl system get clogged up by 150K miles and EGR coolers rarely go past 100K. Also, good choice with I6, this is a big NVH advantage over the Chrysler/Fiat V6 and certainly improves packaging of the SCR, DPF, & turbo.
Why does it even have EGR? It’s been proven that robust SCR can be used to eliminate EGR, EGR coolers and all the associated re-ingested soot nightmares. This engine employees all the worst mechanical principles and technology that contribute to an engines longevity, reliability, cost of ownership, repairs and maintenance. IMO if an engineering team was tasked with developing a power-plant that would kill the ambitions of the diesel truck consumer this is the engine they would dream up.
Its not the EGR by itself getting those clogged up, it's the PCV valve that's not a service item for most dealers that cover everything in fine oil mist after 30-50k miles of life, which then it traps the soot on the oil.
Leave it to GM to be responsible for engine failures due to a $20 part
Keith C . $20? This is GM, it’s probably $200 until the after market starts making them.. Way over engineered
@@ever4437 GM didn’t engineer it.
I am really diggin the playlist in the background!
Courtesy of GM
Yes!!
Less then 2:30 minutes in and I’m have been convinced that this is the worse motor to buy. Thanks for helping me choose a different path.
Every time he says "That's done for emissions." , you can bet that's an engine killer.
Definitely . Worst thing to ever happen to diesel engines smh. Im.getting upwards of 30mpg on highway trips in my 2016 chevy ltz 3500 dually..deleted, tuned..fass fuel pump..no def fluid brother lol
In the first minute of this video I went from being excited about this engine to completely writing it off as another designed-to-fail turd. All the comments about the engineers being on drugs are spot on.
Rambling
I was considering this as my next truck. GM guy through and through...but I have to agree with others. That timing system looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Give me a lifetime warranty parts and labor and I would consider it. But, this just confirms that the V8 duramax is just better all over the place and worth the extra coin.
Right I'm looking in the next year or to to buy a new truck and I was considering one with this engine but after seeing that the oil pump is ran by a belt I might not even buy a gm 6.7 gets great fuel mileage deleted
Not me I'm have read volumes about this engine....nothing in the marketplace that can compete....great mpg too!
I have 50K on mine. I love it. And I also have a 2003 Dodge for the real work.
I guess they quit teaching the “kiss” principle in engineering school.
Engineered by people who have never held a wrench. Feel bad for the mechanics who have to work on them.
Once the EPA dictated a computer to control the injectors, the simple diesel became complicated and expensive.
Farmer Ted . Couldn’t agree more. As a technician I’m always amazed how engineers can make repairs so difficult. GM came up with a three piece thermostat housing. KISS principle should be taught the first week in EVERY engineering classes.
@@nycbit7386
Hey, dumb ass. The KISS acronym has nothing to do with homosexuality.
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
keeping backyard mechanics stumped again!!
Im a gm fan but you have to be shiting me
bill2526 bill2526 you dumbass, I've ordered a one ton dually diesel Toyota pickup. Delivery time "never". GM, FORD, RAM delivery time "now"
Gilles LaBrosse buy older fords like 99-03with 7.3 those are damn reliable as hell
@bill2526 bill2526 go go bill bill go
Even after you pull the transmission, you'll still be replacing two chains and a belt from underneath the truck with the engine against the firewall. If you're going to do all that, you might as well pull the engine. Anyone who thinks this job would be easier than replacing a front timing chain is nuts. And a belt driven oil pump? If that belt ever brakes, it's not going to give you any warning. If it brakes you'll have to pull the engine anyway because it'll be junk. The only reason to design something like this is to sell parts and service. They are building vehicles that you have to take it to the dealership for any work or buy another truck.
chad Spidle you’re correct about the firewall but techs won’t be pulling the engine to do service. They’re going to pull the cab off the frame.
@@BigMOBBOB
Yeah, that sounds cheap. 😂
I don't think the transmission bell housing area, after transmission is removed, is "against the firewall" and the belt is in the lower half as well.. you wouldn't have to remove the chains to change the belt.,, If the chains fail the engine is coming out anyway.. pretty much guaranteed. I don't know if the oil pump belt is as big a deal as people are making it.. engines with belted timing belts can be a pain it the butt and expensive to change as well. It's one of those things that after you reach a certain amount of miles you want to bite the bullet and pay to replace BEFORE they fail.. I don't think you would want to chance the oil pump belt failing on this either.. not because of "burning up the engine from no oil".. I think I would be more worried about what's left of the belt going up into the timing chain and causing catastrophic damage.
100%. These gym guys are assholes. Let them work on these pieces of shit and see what happens. Do not ever buy!!!!
DEAD ON !
Loved those trucks but thank you for steering me away!! ✌ blown away!!! 😒
Oil pump belt breaks pulling a trailer up mountain warning lights come on as you try to get off the road engine seizes up I think you might have to pull more than just the transmission. So much for long term reliability
Access the belt by simply dropping the transmission? Great idea!! The engineers should get a medal for making it so simple. Idiots , how much will that cost? Imagine how hot under hood it will be with all that emissions garbage on there . Have fun who ever buys this disaster.
That's what I thought initially. But actually, dropping the transmission would probably not be any more difficult than if everything were up front, where you would have to remove the the radiator, fans, etc. Of course, we're talking for a technician, not someone in their own driveway...but it is doubtful that most consumers would attempt a job like this. I do agree with you about the under hood heat, though. That could end up being a problem over time.
The RV Connection , at least the front parts are manageable for the average backyard mechanic. A transmission not so much. Just gm making it overly complicated so you need to bring it to the dealership and eat a huge bill. Shop rate here is $160 an hour, so it will be expensive. I think about the poor person that’s going to own these trucks after the warranty is expired .
Mr Sunshines sure.
lol "Serviceable by simply sliding the transmission back" wtf are they thinking
I've been waiting 30 years for a new,dependable, solid built 1/2 ton diesel pickup......and this ain't it!
Agree completely.
Get at a 3/4 ton
It would be if they didn't put DEF on it ! DEF is worthless unless your a multimillionaire
DEF just chokes out the engine. Install a tune that makes the pump not work and u get yourself 50 more horse and 100 torque
Try the ram diesel. I had one and it’s great for towing and mpg
Thank you for this very informative video you saved me a lot of money and headaches sincerely appreciate it. The search continues
Can already see it. “You must have used the wrong oil and that’s why your engine failed. We won’t cover it on the warranty. “
No maintenance on the timing chains...just like their 3.0/3.6 engines.
Doing a 3.6 timing this mouth
You forgot to mention that these engines overheat within hours of leaving the dealership.
They weren't even on sale when this video was made, so...
I can’t wait to simply drop that transmission to get to that cool belt in the back of the motor! Fun!
I've had mine for a couple years and just bought a suburban with it as well. If it needs a belt at 150,000 miles then so be it. Its only a 995$ option on the SUVs now so its dumb not to get it as an option. Its awesome. Period.
Any problems with engine pinging , sounding like cheap gas?
Very informative video, most impressive for me is, how they lowered the noise on these diesel engines.
This is very Ironic! If you listen closely, "Run to the Hills" is playing in the back round! Old Maiden sending a message! Get away! It's about the 10 minute mark, and very subtle! But if you hear it, it's perfect for the moment!
Yep. Run for your life.
Belt is rated for 150K. At which point, you have to pay Mr. Goodwrench $3,500.00. $2,000.00 of that goes straight to GM. The Engineers were told to develop future revenue streams for the shareholders. I'm so over Government Motor's Bullshit. I have been a Chevy guy since the 1970's, but the next truck I'm buying will be a Ford F-250.
@@trp2413 I had an 2008 Silverado. GM designed the truck so you can't change the spark plugs, brake pads, headlights, they even put a bar over the battery just to make changing that a pain in the ass! GM: want to stay in business? Make these changes: 1.) Build trucks that are easily owner serviceable. 2.) Build trucks with the best quality, high reliability parts possible. 3.) Include a diagnostics menu in the truck's Infotainment System so the truck tells the Owner exactly what has failed or what is going to fail. If you do these 3 things you will build a loyalty like you haven't seen since the 1950's. What's better; squeezing revenue out of your customers with overpriced and unnecessary trips to the Dealerships for repairs that piss off your customers, OR Building an honest truck that makes a truck buyer feel like the Manufacturer has done everything in their power to build the most reliable truck possible, and if the truck does have a problem, it is easy for the owner to economically repair himself. Lose the idiot lights, replace them with a detailed diagnostics read out in plain english. If you do this, your only problem will be how to build enough trucks to keep up with the demand.
This is why I prefer to drive older vehicles.
You're bitching about getting to the spark plugs and brake pads on GM LS truck....but you're going to get f-250. You're a fucking genius.
Sorry Sam bains, Ford is the only one left who has to pay the the government back money they borrowed. It was 5.9 BILLION dollars they took in June 2009. This is verified in an article in Forbs magazine. Look it up. There are about fifteen different other reputable news and money market companies that report the same. They borrowed the money the the exact same month as GM and Chrysler. Ford has to pay back 577 million by the end of this year and finish paying off the entire 5.9 BILLION by June 15 2022! GM has already payed off there debt. Chrysler sold out to Fiat. Ford is the only one to pay what it owes back. It's been 10 years. Don't believe me??!! Go ahead and Google it. Ford is the real "GOVERNMENT MOTORS". So should think twice about buying a government motor Ford pop can poor excuse for a truck.
smart I switched and haven't regretted it once
Haha! Iron Maiden singing "Run to the Hills"!
I'm thinking Number of the Beast for this engine.
I don't mind working on engines. The problem is getting the customer to understand all the time it took to remove the failed part and put it back together. Just like the timing belt on the Subaru sti. Also if the engine and components are so great, the warranty should reflect on that.
Good job well done GM, finally someone putting 6 cyl, in a row, the only way to build a diesel.
Come on guys, replacing the 150k mi oil pump belt won't be big deal since the trans will come out every 50k mi anyway! Just replace the belt every second or third time the trans is out! lol
Good point - it IS a GM, after all... Probably hung a 4L60E off of this "beast".
You sir, get a gold star for positivity!
AH! Silver lining! Guy who knows GM and why Dodge RAM is UP 18 % this year (outsold GM soon to take 1st from Fraud motors )
@@AmericanSurvival001 not when the pride of the hemi world is eating up camshafts they about to see a down fall
@@mtcruse I know they didn't but a 4L60E would definitely turn me away! I'm dealing with one now on my 1991 Chevrolet Silverado C1500. I rebuilt the original one three times and then purchased a rebuilt 4L60E to replace it. Now I'm waiting on the manufacturer to send me a replacement to the replacement! UGH! I think Fred Flintstone's foot powered stonemobile is a better choice!
I'm sure a aftermarket oil pump chain will be made for it
I have never heard such a looney statement! Are you some kind of clairvoyant engineer?
Technology sure is cool, but goddamn that’s a lot to go wrong!! It will be interesting to see how this goes with reliability and service! Things like this active coolant valve... good hell!
Most of this stuff is way to advanced for the common car buyer to understand. GM knows what they are doing when it comes to designing and building a Diesel engine, I bet this will be a very good engine
If we had engineering like this in WWII we would be a ward of the Axis states.
Stuff like this is partially what cost Germany the war
@@igostupidfast3 Germany engineering, everything has a built in oil leak, must be complicated to work, if it still doesn't work then chrome it.
@@faithandfarmingtennessee872 where did you get that from? Duramax is a joint venture between GM and Isuzu, neither of which are German.
Yes we all be speaking German
You obviously have never seen the Chrysler A57 multibank tank engine.
Timing on back of a engine. Engineering nightmare at its finest
The engineers told me the main reason for this is that there is less harmonic distortion on the back of the crank than the front, which makes for more accurate timing/fuel delivery.
@@TheRVConnection. So the engineers are implying the crank likes to twist a bit, eh? Lol. Maybe they should have made it beefier.
@The Restless Traveller Correct, and now a year later, we are finding the BIO (Belt in Oil) kits with special rubber compounds will outlast the motor.. I can't believe all the kids here posing as clairvoyants and engineers trying to impress people.
@@TheRVConnection And a rubber belt absorbs the torsional distortion much better than a timing chain or gear drive.
@@lowboy003 You are correct, sir
The service on it is really not that difficult "proceeds to tell us we need to back the transmission off the engine" 🙄
GM = general morons / gov motors what else can you expect. They are the yugo of the us.
This is the funniest funniest! It sounds so legit, that's why it's funny!!!
Definitely sounds like they thought of everything to keep factory trained mechanics with specialized tools fully employed. But at least they made it so they can get repairs done in 40 hours or so. I had a 2004 chevy 3500 work truck that blew its heater core. It took the dealer 3 days and the complete dismantling of interior to replace a $50 part. The labor bill was over $1000. Smart planning by the engineers
Buts that's every heater core in every vehicle tho.
That's probably true in all modern cars... I'm a dinosaur worked on a lot of pre computer, pre plastic cars over the years. A heater core was a couple hour project
Yeah, nowadays they just buy another car. Haha.
I work on diesels every day and servicing that oil pump belt is no big deal, this engine is a great design and better than ford and Ram small diesel engines
The fact that your user name is Cummings Power and it's actually Cummins negates anything you said because you're a dumbass !
@@mylarson7640 Larson the fact that you commented On someone else’s comment from 3 months ago trying to argue that this $3,000 upgrade of an engine to save you thousands in fuel makes you you look like a dumb ass I’m disappointed in you stop commenting on the internet
If it were 200,000 mi interval, I bet there would be much less Kvetching.
@@mefobills279 I'm not much of a GM fan anymore, but aside from that if the engine wasn't wound up high and hard all the time pulling, the belt is probably fine for 200k.
They've done 150k mile inspections and the belt looked great. Typically daily commute, tow ever so often like an average user and 200k wouldn't scare me
They say 150k but I know of at least 3 timing belts that had 75k service intervals and I never touched them well past 250k. Also their was a DMax rep on another channel that said they tested the belts on their test engines at 300k and there was no deflection/stretch in the oil pump belt, also part of the design is to keep the belt wet with oil from the sump which prolongs it’s life. Much ado about nothing tbh. And lastly to service the oil pump belt you only need to move the transmission about 1.5 inches back to get access to it.
I remember reading about GM adding an extra injector for regen on the LML to avoid oil contamination issues with post injections. It makes me wonder why they went back to post injections. Looking at everything else, it doesn't seem like they did it to avoid complexity.
Rant:
Variable oil pump, variable coolant valve, variable exhaust restriction, variable high and low pressure EGRs, Swirl valves. What could go wrong Mr. Murphy?
And for the love of Pete, why put a belt on the oil pump when the timing chain is RIGHT THERE?
Don't worry, if it fails, you will be warned and be able to stop; meaning you will instantly loose oil pressure and get a warning that your bearings are eating themselves as you take a few seconds to read the warning, slow down, pull over, and shut it off.
Then tow it to a shop where they will have it on a hoist for 2 days and charge about 2 grand to change that stupid unnecessary belt and hope your motor is still good.
Rant over.
I did really enjoy the in depth look at the motor but it didn't really instill confidence.
Ditto!
Great video with good detailed info and nice cutaways. Revealed plenty to persuade me to never buy this power plant!
Have about 2k on my Silverado 3.0, out of 3 months I've owned it it's spent almost a month at the dealership for service, no heat from new- had to pull dash to replace heater box because of missing internal linkage, issue #2 is an aggravating buzzing vibration noise at dead stop to about 10 mph, quiet in reverse, dealership been playing with airbox / duct, sound changed but not gone, now they say could be normal noise? Wtf
Sorry to hear that. I wanted one bad based on specs, until I saw this video.
Yeah.... I'll just keep my LBZ and LMM fully deleted and tuned Duramax trucks.
Good choice
Perfect engine for the pie plate starter generator hybrid. I would like to see GM put it on the front of the engine. Everything could be electric and eliminate the serpentine belt. If they did it properly it could be maintained much easier than any other engine and everything could be more strategically located. For instance the air conditioning compressor could be located within the heating system and made to be easily worked on.
Interesting video & I believe this engine has potential to be good. That said, I wouldn’t buy any vehicle with a new power train for several years. I prefer to let somebody else be the guinea pig and get the bugs worked out
Now it is time to put this engine in all the SUV’s. If you have never driven a diesel, you do not know what you are missing. This looks like a great engine.
Timing chains have no service limit? I doubt it. I’m willing to bet we see issues around 100k
I was looking at the route of the timing chain and just wonder what they use for the guides??? Plastic , metal or some kind of compound of both?
The amount of hate for that stupid rubber oil pump belt, super strechy chain at the REAR of the engine, makes me laugh like hell. What a piece of shit. Like GM has an awesome reputation with timing chains since 2009.
I bet before why not gears
@@dalemarshall625 Because it will make the engine louder.
@@dalemarshall625 Because it takes a lot of gears to get an overhead cam setup to work. Look at an old Cat 1693 with the DOHC, had like 3 idler gears just to get power up to the cams. It is obvious these were built only to the price point and first owner needs. They don't care about anyone that would own one of these after warranty is up.
Dropping the transmission was the entire reason I didn’t get the diesel instead I got the 6.2L.
I chose the diesel for the stuck lifter situation with the 6.2L, funny how we went different ways. Not a dig, just interesting.
@@gilvietor1918 I thought the same thing with the 6.2L but it should be faster to pull a head than dropping the trans. I really was contemplating the diesel because I wanted to own a diesel. I probably would have been happy with either.
Bought the 3.0 x31 version and it's been fantastic.
It loves that 93 octane
I wonder how well it holds a boat against the current and how much rope do we lay out with that odd shape.
Great tunes these guys are listening to while giving a seminar. 👍👍🤘
This engine is going to be riddled with issues for the first few years... G.M. killed the Duramax with too much tech.
its not a duramax,,the 6.6 was isuzu,,is this isuzu.?.or there own stupid design,,do gm ever learn,??????...NO. here in aus,we have the ford focus,with a tdi,2lt,,i own one,,goes like the powers of piss..italian diesel.fkn reliable..gm should shut the doors...like,29 yrs ago..
@@phantomwalker8251 Yes, this too is Isuzu, same w/4 cyl’s D-Max in Canyon and most small displacement engines in GM products. Basically anything with modern 4V combustion chambers, diesel or gas, is Isuzu engineered. It’s GM’s powertrain development partner
@@MichaelM-to4sg the Duramax 2.8 is derived from Italy's VM Motori 2.8. Absolutely nothing to do with Isuzu.
@@CoalitionGaming That’s completely false.
Firstly, VM Motori has been a subsidiary of Fiat for years, which of course is now part of Stellantis AG. The VM Motori engineered 3L V6 is used in Stellantis owned Ram 1500 and Jeep GC, as well as Fiat badged cars and vans. The VM Motori 2.8L was a I-4 diesel, it was used is several Jeep products, primarily in EU market as well as other FCA products over the years.
Duramax is an international registered trademark of Isuzu. It would be illegal to use that name on non-Isuzu engine product w/o a license to use that name. GM & Isuzu have had long running relationship, dating back to ‘98 and co-manage the DMax production plant that produces this engine and the 6.6L V8 diesel. Isuzu has also been responsible for the engineering and development of several other GM engines, including the 3.6L V6 petrol, 2L 4-cyl diesel and the 1.2/1.3L 3-cyl engines.
CAN YOU PLEASE do this for the 2.8L as well?
I dont have the 3.0 and found this super interesting. I have the baby D-max canyon and would be super interested in that video aswell
Hey Kody, unfortunately, no. The media people frequently roll out cutaways or models of engines when they're introduced, but not afterwards. If you look around, however, I'm sure you'll find someone who has done an overview of the 2.8. Thanks for watching!
No thanks, I want a Diesel engine that doesn’t require maintenance by technicians who earn more than me.
Cummins
It's an engine. It wears out when you use it. It needs maintenance. NOTHING lasts for ever. Utopia doesnt exist.
My friend got one of these in a 2021 1500 truck, its very quiet, actually makes a good sound under power. At least the rear timing chain is simple, not like a Audi 4.2 etc. The timing belt is wierd, but with regular oil changes it could probably last a very long time, I wonder on this truck if you could just back the trans off 6inches etc to service it, drop a few driveshafts or its a huge deal, pull transfer case etc to change the belt. You can see all the clever packaging to get into a compact modular unit that can go into just about any commercial\personal vehicle, the emmisions control is pretty neat with all the interesting coolant control (scary to have engine oil cooler like that, if gaskets fail...) Hopefully they're specced top quality parts on this thing for belts\gaskets or it could be, not so good.
Garbage design IMO. Monster amount of labor just for one chain that you know is going to be a problem.
@@chrisguillen1495 It shows a OEM doesn't give a crap about after the sale with a design like this, considering this thing is also meant for Commercial application and likely built to a price, pushing 30psi of boost stock (lots of CFM I'm sure) its not good.
@@chrisguillen1495 Dropping a tranmission is "monster amount of labor" every 150k-200k miles? Man how were clutches replaced in the old days, must have just junked the car every time it needed a clutch!
Tbh all 3 of these little diesels in the fords, rams, and chevys are so good. I know many people with ecodiesels and duramax and they have nothing bad to say about them besides emissions systems. Even the little powerstroke is decent... however if you need to work on them make sure you smoke a pound of weed so you dont die of anger over how annoying it is to even look at them
that thing looks like garbage belt for a oil pump this would be a crazy price to replace
Crazy Train and Call Me playing in the background. Appropriate.
Sounds like a diesel northstar engine.
🤣🤣🤣
Diesel Deathstar engine!
I think it’s about time we got some small diesel (reasonable size)engines for the half ton market.
My only real problem with this new Diesel engine is the “oil pump drive belt”(wet belt) I don’t understand why it too could not be a chain like the rest of it🤷♂️
Or at least make it a option that cost the difference with a notice about it being louder apparently noise is why they used the belt
Thanks for the video. I've been looking to pick up a new Jeep Wrangler with the diesel, but since they didn't offer a manual I've written that off. I was thinking about the 3.0 duramax as a secondary vehicle. After this video, that one is off the list now too.
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching!