s2e16 - EPIC Speaker Debate JBL VTX v25 vs l'acoustics k2
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2019
- Weekly work vlogs featuring Kay, Grunie, Marcus, Steve, Ted, and Teddy.
Kay has heard enough of Grunie's ranting and raving about L'acoustics.
#jblvtx #jblvtxv25 #Lacoustics #Lacousticsk1 #Lacousticsk2
Amazing conversation.
For Europeans and some Americans L acoustic is good it's clean, smooth and sound natural. But for us Asians JBL is one of the best. I understand Western ears don't want agressive and bassy sound but it's the trademark sound. JBL is just the king of bass
I'm American and we love Bass as well. A ton of huge US venues use JBL speakers.
jbl aint the best for bass. All the top brands can pretty much output the same volume per same size sub.
Rn the king of bass will have to be between RCF and d&b audiotechnik
@@iamjosuefrancis King of Bass is Adamson Systems
Great video guys I really enjoyed it, I loved the part where it's in The Wizard not on the Wand it makes very good sense ,Better sense than thers a 3rd layer of sound. Me Personally I Think Meyer Sound Is the best. But I'm pretty sure JBL Vtx A12 and l Acoustics K1 or K2 can sound better in the the right conditions, That's if you use the 3rd layer preset on the L -acoustics Rig ,lol. I totally agree with Mr Senior in the Debate hes words are Wisdom.
The big problem is related to the fact that we do not manage a line array, moreover a JBL VTX without having done the training before!
Lots of people improvise sound engineers and it's very problematic.
The audio result can be catastrophic, especially with the VTX, which is an extremely efficient, very advanced system.
A Ferrari is a car that drives, it does not drive like the ordinary car
I would love to see the event and sound rigging also...
Make those videos also... or you can also add timelapse
Thanks
Im pretty sure one of the dudes from LA (Paul Bauman maybe?) went to JBL and designed the V25 system.
Facts
On the one side, JBL legendary manufacturer which manufactures its own loudspeakers relying on more than 70 years of experience and excellence with prestigious worldwide references.
On the other side, a very serious French assembler, who must say, never made a single loudspeaker, but developed the DOSC technology.
L Acoustics has never made amplifiers either, the respectable brand Lab Gruppen produces them.
What more can be said ?
We are going to talk about impressive Harman synergy which provides absolute security and compatibility between brands JBL, CROWN, SOUNDCRAFT, BSS and DBX equipment.
The big recurring problem that we encounter with L Acoustics is the origin of the loudspeakers, a secret, a mystery... and worries when it is necessary to replace them because they are manufactured according to specifications.
Unscrupulous dealers offer equivalents ! So many L systems no longer sound like the original.
Here in Europe the JBL VTX line array is the absolute reference. All the engineers dream of working with this system followed fairly closely by Adamson and Clair Brothers.
In view of this information, my choice is oriented without hesitation towards the JBL brand.
Mr. Eric Morata I would like to personally thank you for informing everyone in this comment section about JBL. The HARMAN Professional Group has played a key role in pioneering live audio as we know it today. JBL has spent numerous years into Research & Design without a doubt and at least u can see that the money is being well spent in comparison to other audio companies. JBL offers several line array options at different price points for High-End Touring applications as well as budget options.JBL VTX A12 is currently JBL’s newest and most advanced line array. They have the best design in the world. Their design is second to none. They have the Fastest rigging system, easily accessible rigging points , extremely light, affordable (in comparison to line arrays with similar specifications) and throws pretty far. JBL’s Differential Drive Technology is also second to none in achieving extremely high SPL with little to no distortion. JBL VTX Line Arrays are not biased and pretty accurate in the fact that they make good engineers sound good and bad engineers sound bad simply to be honest and if the engineer behind those line arrays is not trained or lacks expertise it can result in a bad sound.Also CROWN Amplification is second to none in providing just sheer wattage to their speakers as well as DSP configuration and networking. CROWN I-TECH Series uses powerCON, XLR and Ethernet cables which are a standard in the audio industry in comparison to L-Acoustics which users powerCON , XLR and Ethernet but in addition to that uses their proprietary 8 Pin CA-COM Connector for their K1 Line Arrays. Which in the event of an emergency or any incident happens can be a little more difficult to source. JBL simply just works. (If you know how to work it)
Last time I hear a JBL array was like years ago, I only see now L'Acoustics, at least in Spain..
I like the the replies in New Zealand we run nexo and l acoustic and jbl love them all but with jbl v 4 and v5 dsp tune on the vtx and f system has made a big difference around the comb filter side of things but the i tech 12k 4 channel amp hasn’t got much grunt on bass and sub but the 12 k 2 channel i tech does the job well and i tech sounds fantastic on the nexo much better on the mid hi than my labs less harsh in my opinion
Lab Gruppen doesn't make L'Acoustics amplifiers
L'Acoustics does. Or rather, CAMCO, who is owned by L'A.
Thanks for the video, it was interesting debate. Here is an opinion of not a professional, but music lover and really big party goer (I have been to 50+ in arena size events + many more club events). For me there is huge difference between L’ acoustics and everything else, but let’s not forget that the speakers are only one of the steps to get the perfect sound. More important is the proper settings, and acoustically treated space (open air always sounds shit). Few years ago Tiesto’s sound engineer took me while he was setting L’ Acoustics K1 system in big sport arena. He locked his settings and during the others artists the sound settings were made from their sound engineers. Believe me, the difference was day and night! Same speakers, same venue, but different settings. That night, the hall was treated with acoustic curtains. Few weeks ago I attended The Chemical Brothers at the same venue, the speakers were also L’Acoustics K1, there were no any acoustic treatment and it sounded awful. So my point is that “best sound” is complex solution. Last week I was at club Air in Amsterdam and this was the best club sound I have ever heard. So clear sound, you can hear every detail, zero distortion, and the bass was so fast and punchy. Later I found out the system was Void, never heard of then before, but I was really impressed. I have also been to events with Meyer and D&B, and I was not impressed.
Professional culture is very important and few engineers, even great ones, ignore for example the origin of the line array. It's just JBL at the end of the 80's with the legendary ARRAY series. And how many engineers know what the brand of loudspeakers is in line array boxes? L Acoustics for example it's a mystery, and moreover they put loudspeakers made under specifications (very difficult to find in case of breakage, need for renewal) The purchase of a line array revolves around precise parameters: how is it going Age? strength of the components ? after sale service and spare parts? easy to resell in the second hand, weight, dimensions, tropicalization. The JBL VTX is definitely the best in the audio industry. JBL Engineers are the best performing and have more than 70 years of experience and excellence (remember incredible HLA). It all started in Woodstock 1969 ! fabulous story (see the JBL book) of an incredible company that today benefits from the impressive financial power of the Harman Group. But the most important thing is the sound, the power hold, and there, JBL supplants all the brands. VTX goes from jazz to classical everywhere, from rock to soul music, metal, to the wide variety of international music. On the technical sheets of the 5 continents, this is the most requested. Thank you to Mr PAUL BAUMANN. Here in Europe the Engineers who worked on the VTX don't want anything else. It's a dream of technology and sound quality. About Meyer and D&B it's rather better than L Acoustic without problem !
@@organeu I respect your opinion, but JBL is just average brand in professional and hifi market, and there is nothing bad about it. I personally own home JBL speakers, I like them, but there are much better than them.
@@matrixplace Average ? so you are telling me that a Speaker that was on Metallicas Tour and now on the Superbowl ,on the Grammys. And it's owned by the biggest Pro Audio Companys in the world i's average. I think your average word is used Incorectley. My recomendations to you is a subscription to Foh magazine, theres alot more things Happening in a live Band like Metallica than a Dj Set up like Tiesto,actually theres a world Of difference. By the way Metallica is Using Meyer Sound And In the past Jbl was There main Rig :)
Big JOE I don’t really care about Metallica to be honest. I care what I hear. For me there is huge difference between L’Acoustics and other pro speakers, sound price wise. BTW Rammstein use L’Acoustics 😉
@@matrixplace Rammstein with L Acoustics Is Great in manny ways to me Rammstein is To weird for my Taste .Metallica is just so much More Bad Ass And I have Heard them with Both Systems Meyer Sound Leo And JBL Vtx And Both P.As Sounded Amazing Very Hard For me to Believe they could Have Sounded Better with any other Sound System. even though I believe any of the top level P.As can sound better than the other in the Right Conditions.
Damn I gotta say I agree with K. Its pretty practical that line of thinking
I just went to a concert that had jbl vtx v25s for most of the front and sides, along with a few v20s on the bottom of the side arrays. The back, however, had l’acoustics Karas, 12 per side.
K nailed it.
This young guy Grunie simply does not have enough experience and knowledge in audio to understand the difference between these systems)
The modern sound industry, as a race, relies on such young “specialists” who do not understand how it all works...
Very interesting what Mr. K thinks about EAW?)
dude in blue is hilarious and practical. But i digress, L'acoustics all day. "Just something about them." Lol Dude in purple shirt is over it.
Haha. Thanks for watching. Kay (dude in blue) has since learned L'acoustics means business, we had a demo last month. He still doesn't believe that the "little better" is enough justify the price though. The little better thing though is all relative. Joe blow and the thousands of people in the crowd would not notice a difference for the most part, nor even care, but the few traveling A1s on the gig might be like "oh this is so much better" 😂
RCF HDL50K are an amazing tool for their price. It's just not in the riders that often....yet. But will be. People are starting to notice them in Europe. At 5-6k per box (amp build inside, remote control) they really cant be beaten.
Yh bro they are amazing with an excellent price and powered as well so you don’t have to buy external amps but they have not mastered the sound quality as yet 👌🏾
both speakers are great, jbl is good like l'accoustics, the difference is the price between those line arrays
Who is much expensive
alguien lo puede traducir a español gracias?
JBL over L-Acoustics why? ... I don't know There's something about it 😅
The point is better make it sound good to the audience who is paying the bills. Who gives a shit
Exactly!
Hey dude i know that you are jbl vtx house...
Thats why i want to ask a question..
Can the power and tonality vtx v20+s25+g28 match the vtx v25+g28.
Thanks
We've actually never done that to be honest. Good question!
@@soundshopvlogsThe question between v20s and v25s is far more about coverage than tonality. V20's are a 105 degree box that is great for throwing 100-150 feet. V25's are a festival box with a 90 degree coverage pattern than can throw 200plus feet EASILY. I have seen people mix g28's and s25s before to try and blend the infra of the g28 with the punchiness of the s25, but it takes a lot of tuning to really make sound good. Personally I think having both in your inventory if you are a JBL house is a good idea and the just pick the box that best matches the show.
@@Beghty27 good points. We actually used to have the G25s which I think sounded best with the v25s, but changed over to S28s, more so for truck pack and easier storage. They still sound killer though. We still carry Vertec subs as well, which still go out alot and go well with most anything. We really love doing the v20s ground stacked on S28s though for smaller, quick, roll and go stuff.
Thanks for watching!
there is something about it. basically he can't mix. the guy in the grey shirt. looking for an excuse for bad mixing
if you can try and get in front of a rig from Vue Audiotechnic, the al8 and al12 are phenomenal. they will give l,acoustics ,JBL, and D&B a run for its money while coming in at a much more reasonable price.
What are the rrp for those two models?
@@EndritVj not sure on pricing for the al12 but the al8 sits around 3600 US with the v6 amplifier at the same price of 3600 US. one v6 can power up to 4 al8 cabinets, 2 per channel.
Completely agree. Sound company I was working for in town has pretty much every box from Vue. They've got their point source smaller boxes all the way up to the AL-12s. Quite the step up from Vertec boxes they were using. DSP is a little fucky but they're awesome.
@@wienerstein2817 yes, that is my only minor gripe is that the dsp is alittle on the slow side, but the best part is that you dont have to do much.
nahh L acoustics sound waaaayyyyyy better. I get the 3rd layer he is describing. Jbl sounds muddier than l acoustics
But..... is it enough to justify the price? Or enough difference in an event with a tighter budget, in which the rider says L'acoustics or D&b? I that case it is more than suitable and there's no debate. My opinion haha.
@@soundshopvlogs If you can get the k2 used it's an absolute bargain. Yes the price is high and jbl are better price to performance wise. Soundwise the l acoustics are clearer and has more depth. May I add that the ks28 sub is amazing!
I read nonsense, but this is a big deal, I strongly advise this person to take RV with JBL to take an acoustic lesson. The VTX and even the VERTEC sounds 1000 times better than L Acoustic and I'm not talking about holding up on big festivals where the sound system works more than 15 hours non-stop! L Acoustic rows. A musician Hammond organ and piano player.
@@organeu It Always depends on who runs the console. I personally like L'Acoustics a lot more than JBL, but most of all D&B. I know a guy. It doesn't matter which System you ordered for your Show. Let him run the console and it sounds perfect. So: sometimes L'Acoustics sounds better, sometimes JBL.
L’acoustics all the way. Sounds a lot smoother and more natural than the JBL.
You don’t get ear fatigue with L’Acoustics boxes that you do with JBL.
Meyer has 10 years on L’Acoustics...also JBL doesn’t have the “Junk But Loud” moniker for nothing... I realize Kay’s argument for a) buying American, and b) having it be an affordable , rider friendly purchase... it all makes sense for the business... WTF would you spend money on a french pa system, send it there when it breaks etc... JBL is in country purchase/ support, cheaper, and gets the client 95% the way there...Kay knows what he’s doing.
JBL is no more american, it is owned by samsung... jbl rider friendly?
@@EndritVj its “based” out of the states - the support etc... Do you not know what rider means, or you’re questioning if it is...
@@Heywoodj1969 Support is the same even in europe. Big manufacturers are international this days. Does not make a difference in supply, service and support. The difference is in quality. I work both with JBL and L-Acoustics. L-Acoustics is another level.
@@EndritVj supply matters when someone in the states has a component failure and needs one the next day. Im just saying jbl (for K) makes more sense , since its heavily supported in the states as opposed to L acoustics. If you are in Europe, (which it sounds like) ... then french speakers it is for you...
@@Heywoodj1969 I understand your point. But that would make more sense when JBL produced its components in US or Mexico. What I am trying to say is that this days the spares supply is quiet the same. You can find a jbl component the next day in Europe too. I have also worked with EAW, which actually is more “american” than jbl, and still we were able to have support here in Europe very fast.
L Acoustics is good but it's not a real factory product because L Acoustics never has built one loudspeaker. JBL VTX is superior, it's a fabulous state of the art product made by JBL from loudspeakers to cabinets, unrivaled boxes. Sound is incredible, simply the best line array of the audio industry. And JBL VTX like all JBL products grow old rather well. All around the world, JBL VTX is the leader.
..... L’Acoustics invented the line array.... look it up. I’d say they know what they’re doing. VTX still sounds harsher than an l’acoustics k2.
@Subhajit Deb ok. So bear with me.
Best JBL box I have ever ever ever heard: JBL VP7315. Their venue performance line sounds so smooth.
@@xzibit8614 L Acoustics did not invent the line array technology that comes from the Americans JBL and Meyer.
Acoustics didn't exist yet!
That said, L Acoustics designed the line source and DOSC technology.
I remind you that JBL Harman has the greatest Engineers in the audio industry and that at the origin of the JBL line array it was Mr. Paul Baumann who before returning to JBL (a dream) worked at, guess what ? L Acoustics. The world is small.
Idk. I’d trust Grunie. He mixed Coachella you know. ....
future ...D&B AUDIOTECNIKA
The one with gloves is totally right!!!! just saying!! I am electronics engineer. I can prove everything that he said. Blue shirt guy, you are funny. JBL never been up there like L-Acoustics or D&B!! they CAN"T.. DSp of D&B is amazing. they do use FIR filters, so phase curve is almost flat which gives you correct sound. what about JBL? horrible. they sound bad. i test them with clio, MLSSA, REW, Arta, Smaart. JBL big time fail.lol !!!! L-acoustics and D&B forever. if you want me to compare 2 companies Line arrays, I would say D&B because they shoot vocal voice all the way forward. okey what I mean is that it depends what kinda music you are gonna use them on. That's the key point.
Thanks for watching. But I'm with Kay (blue shirt) all day! Haha. All the same to us and the audience.
Why no JBL at big events, concerts, festivals? 5 percent better?:) okey. If you say so. Still, JBL not good for me.
Besides components, check IIR and FIR filters on DSp please.;)
Hello,
I confess in my capacity as a musician and conductor to be very surprised by your assertion. That said, mathematicians only see the numbers, unlike musicians.
No other brand can boast more than JBL, which has guided the evolution of professional sound for 70 years.
That said, many self-taught sound engineers, in fact simple sound engineers, are not afraid to manage a line array (regardless of brand) without having done a minimum of training.
I remember the words of a JBL Engineer: "our systems are made by Engineers for Engineers, real engineers" the ideal being that the Engineer should be a mathematician and a musician.
The VTX belongs to Mr. Paul Bauman, a very great professional audio expert, a leader who, for the record, before returning to JBL worked at L Acoustics, the French brand which has never manufactured a single loudspeaker and does not give any information as to their origin (it's nice transparency). The VTX is certainly the best-selling line array in the world. I have listened to this system in multiple configurations and styles of music. In classical, the VTX excels and many auditoriums around the world have chosen it.
I also appreciate other systems which supplant L Acoustics like Adamson, D&B and, the best world assembler: Clair Brothers. Cordially
Hello,
I confess in my capacity as a musician and conductor to be very surprised by your assertion. That said, mathematicians only see the numbers, unlike musicians.
No other brand can boast more than JBL, which has guided the evolution of professional sound for 70 years.
That said, many self-taught sound engineers, in fact simple sound engineers, are not afraid to manage a line array (regardless of brand) without having done a minimum of training.
I remember the words of a JBL Engineer: "our systems are made by Engineers for Engineers, real engineers" the ideal being that the Engineer should be a mathematician and a musician.
The VTX belongs to Mr. Paul Bauman, a professional audio expert who, for the record, before returning to JBL worked at L Acoustics, the French brand which has never manufactured a single loudspeaker and does not give any information as to their origin (it's nice transparency). The VTX is certainly the best-selling line array in the world. I have listened to this system in multiple configurations and styles of music. In classical, the VTX excels and many auditoriums around the world have chosen it.
I also appreciate other systems which supplant L Acoustics like Adamson, D&B and, the best world assembler: Clair Brothers. Cordially
Do whatever you want to JBL, it can never sound as L-A.