Following Kurt Cobain | About Courtney Love & Her Father Ep.2
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The 2nd video conference with Author Max Wallace: Who Killed Kurt Cobain & Love & Death The Murder of Kurt Cobain goes in an unexpected direction. Wallace mentions meeting & sizing up then, Private Investigator Tom Grant, before going on a book tour with Courtney Love's Father, Hank Harrison, who also happened to be the first manager of The Grateful Dead. But from there Wallace expresses deep resentment for amateur, internet sleuths who call out Courtney Love for her long history of violence and harassment, stating that she is actually a genuinely talented figure within the music world who deserves everyone's respect & admiration.
As well, Wallace claims to have intimate knowledge of Dave Grohl's personal thoughts concerning the Kurt Cobain murder conspiracy.
In the next discussion, we'll finally get to the meat of the investigation and begin hearing about the colorful cast of characters surrounding Kurt Cobain, such as the time Max and his writing partner Ian Halperin met Dylan Carlson at a "shooting gallery" where they posed as Canadian tourist to get him to talk about his friendship with Cobain & Love.
The following discussions in the next video become much more focused on the people surrounding Kurt & the investigation. Next up will be Dylan Carlson, Patty Schemel & Michael Dewitt.
yeah about time.
I totally agree with you, Wallace isn’t totally versed to several of the facts that you have painstakingly researched for years. I get his intentions because he doesn’t want to rock the boat since making Soaked in Bleach. Glad you added several breaks to clarify the facts.
Hey, thank you for your effort and objectivity in videos about Kurt. In his new book, Leo Zagami insinuates about Kurt's murder from a perhaps slightly different, but interesting angle. I haven't read the book, but watched a couple of his podcasts where he only briefly touches on it. My impression is that Leo has a lot of dark information about the whole music scene, so think it would be interesting to investigate it more, maybe even invite him for an interview. Greetings from Croatia!
You don't have to spend half the video pausing the interview to drive home your points. He's not saying anything can change facts, but delusional hate for Courtney affects some people's ability to be objective. I don't agree with him that Courtney has earned respect for her talent, but evidently Billy Corgan does, so go figure. If you've ever passionately hated someone, maybe you'll know it's hard to see anything good about them at all. That's all it is. That can be taken to a wild degree.
@@vintageL122yexactly, he doesn't want to preach to the choir by saying let's all agree we hate Courtney. Instead just let the facts speak for themselves.
My favorite quote about Courtney is from Kat Bjelland - “I like to make music. She likes to be famous.”
I believe someone contacted Wallace before this interview. He was acting defensive when it wasn’t necessary. Glad you chimed in because I was feeling the same way about his strange reactions. It just let me know I wasn’t the only one disturbed by his verbal reactions to questions.
Yeah I thought the same thing
I was thinking "has someone got to him?" Either that or he's not a good researcher. How can you write 2 books about it and say the things he was saying?
100%
@@squorly I have to agree with this statement ,Max seems way more about how “good” Courtney was with Holes music very much specifically with Live Through This ,pretty funny though when it came to any other album he kept leading the conversation back to Live Through This because he knows he has almost nothing positive to say about anything else about “her” music ,just very interesting he wrote two books about the murder of Kurt and now he’s backing her up ,yeah I think he might have threats against him or has since been bought.. maybe we will see in number 3?
It was very strange and came out of nowhere. Defending Courtney of all things about the respect she has as a musician is just laughable.
Gotta say, the allegations in the Isiah Silva case were chilling, and relatively recent.
I read the court transcriptions that contained CL's text messages. There's more clear evidence in the Isaiah Silva case than the Cobain case. A lot more. It's literally open and shut. No wonder CL settled out of court.
@@AmericanSpyFox Hi. Are the transcripts online somewhere? Would love to read those!
She lives in Wales and owes the IRS so much money. Let her stay there.
I have zero respect for Love and I'm a writer musician. Not sure what he's talking about. She can't play and her singing is a product of studio techs. What has she written other than a fake suicide note.
Lol.
As a non musician myself at all (which is to say I respect your educated opinion), her lyrics in Live Through This were pretty good, though. Don't you think?
@@BarbaraT. Not really, the junkie musings of a spider woman. I thought the only interesting thing Wallace brought up was Hank had Charles Manson memorabilia as I rate his daughter as a similar musical talent and personality. Charlie boy is without chums in showbiz magazine RS so no top 200 ratings for him.
She groans a lot when she is “singing”. I wonder why Kristen was making suggestions about how she should’ve sang…
Sorry Jason, she's better than you.
Max is delusional thinking Courtney has all this respect as a musician , seriously Max ? Give us a break. One of the greatest punk albums of all time ?? and it’s a fact ? Wow
I’d say he was correct back in the 90’s about live through this ,but now no way does very many people have that much respect for Courtney’s music after how she’s presented herself and “art”? Over the years after that ,he can say it of the past but in more recent years just no way, hence why he kept going back to Live Through This..
Whats funny is he really thinks she wrote that album 🙄
i mean it's amazing... I am a huge nirvana fan and don't like CL but it's my favourite album
shes getting a bit of redemption arc musically lately cause of how things are, but it's all nonsense. Pitchfork (very influential) made Fantasy by Mariah Carey the best song of the 90s in their updated list. Nonsense. They also elevated Hole way beyond their initial ranking and their actual real world standing. They wanted women at the top, but they picked the wrong women for mostly terrible reasons. I'm certain they picked Courtney because of how the media tried to destroy her in the 90's, not a terrible reason, but not enough. And as a lot of people know, even though Celebrity Skin is one of the great 90s songs, performed brilliantly by Courtney and the band, 90% of the credit for that song goes to Billy Corgan. She's not responsible for any of "her" best work - it's mostly Corgan and Cobain and others. She's a good singer and probably writes her own lyrics which are pretty good, so she's got talent, but I doubt she has any serious respect as a musician. It's all ceremony if she does.
@@xfleazillax8413 Corgan, Cobain, Pfaff and othersare responsible for the best of Hole's work as most of the people who would afford her this alleged respect are aware. And youre right, if it wasnt for her antics she would be more respected. Maybe those people would say they collaborated with her, maybe she would develop her talent, who knows? We know she got those songs from her partners, two of the most successful musicians of the era and all time, and we know that once she started making movies, she was linked with the likes of Ed Norton, Owen Wilson, Steve Coogan, etc etc...
It's almost like he's just discrediting your entire opinion on the subject matter, because he wrote a book on it and thinks all of us on the internet are idiots.
Been following for awhile. Love your videos man.
In Kim Gordon autobio she basically notes Courtney is toxic AF and that Thurston Moore and Kim had to purposely separate themselves from intimate contact from Courtney because of the drama but because their daughter Coco was a friend to Francis bean, it made it difficult until recently.
Courtney Love is incorrigible.
I didn't know she had one,thank you .A book I mean,not a daughter ,I'm gonna pick it up if I can find it.Maybe Amazon?
@@kimberlymisfit3544. y. It's titled Girl in a Band. She narrarates it's audiobook as well
@@marcofalzone6469 thanks so much!
what does kim gordon say about thurston these days ?
Interesting. I need to get that and read it.
Courtney is respected in the same way many narcissists are. By the many, who don't know them personally, who want to identify and follow their idealized facade. And by the few, who know them personally, and offer the narcissist some benefit or value and so receive the love bombing, flattery, and shallow, false, respect of the narcissist.
It's strange that in one breath Wallace would admit her first husband said she paid people to assault her enemies and in the next deny the plausibility that she would pay people off (or leverage) her way into music history rankings and media.
Courtney is like many Hollywood celebrities, they perform as public liberals but privately exist as self-focused conservatives or worse.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed these things. And yes, Courtney is super elitist, conservative, small circle, we are holier than thou but her fans actually believe she would hang out with them in a park somewhere lmao.
@@AmericanSpyFox I'm not really sure what your definition of a conservative is, but it doesn't seem to be correct to me. He sounded like a true liberal to me, unwilling to listen to evidence or hear another side. That aside, I didn't get his argument about Courtney being respected. Charles Manson had some talent too but that doesn't mean we should just excuse what he did.
Is Max part of CL's PR team? He keeps repeating that it's preposterous that she pays off people? Is he now on her payroll? Did she get him some of those book deals? Has good ol' Max been now compromised? Done with that dude.👎
Something is fishy here. He is very defensive and he’s acting like no matter what you tell him he can’t be wrong.
I thought the same thing and him being so Pro Courtney just makes me sick! He's obviously on Courtney's payroll!!💵
Hands down he was murdered. The trajectory of the bullets and gun speak loudly! One simply doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out, rather using their common sense!!!!! Someone is responsible for his death, and sad that person is still alive living their demented dream....
and why kill yourself with buckshot?
If people are dependent on Courtney's money, they are simply beholden to her. They won't ever speak out. She owns them. Period.
Dave grohl a lot of people have a lot of unanswered questions as do I , that says it all to me
That video of isolated vocals and guitar kills me 😂😂
Even if her guitar was missing strings… hole fan’s faces are still 👁️👄👁️
"NIRVANNA??" You're killing me smalls. Canadians and their Super Merryo Bros.
The Nirvanna killed me, but is merryo Canadian? I'm from Alabama and have pronounced it like that as a child and never changed at least I'm not alone lol.
His dismissing of Krist feels a bit like a narrative shibboleth. "He's diverged from my political team, so now I need to reaffirm my own beliefs by implying he has a mental condition."
I mean, both Krist and Kurt talked about how they enjoyed going out to the range for target practice and getting into collecting firearms. I don't know how he squares that one.
thank you Charles for your comments. I was also confused about Wallace's words, e.g. he says Patty Schemel or Dylan Carlson are dependent on CL's money but she is not buying their silence. He sounded like courtney actually totally contradicting himself. I think he just doesn't want to lose his connections or upset somebody. And CL's talent. What has her talent for music (if any, but that's another story) to do with Cobain's death case? He lost his credibility in my eyes. I have a lot of respect for you Charles because I see what you get to deal with in your work and still remain unbiassed.
Max Wallace is trying to prove his objectivity by giving props to Courtney for being a respected artist. This way he wants to enhance his credibility. And he is not completely wrong, you just have to separate musicians from the business world. Musicians have zero respect for her (Steve Albini callled her a "psycho hose-beast" and I'm sure Dave and Krist feel the same), but the music business and media world does. When Rolling Stone wants to be in good grace with CL, it's a business decision. They sell a lot of magazines when CL is on the cover (it's alll about the money, that's why corporate magazines still suck :)). I think she has a lot in common with Donald Trump. I don't think Trump is a great business man in a technical sense - like Courtney is not a good musician in the true sense. However, they both have great instincts and know how to surround themselves with the right people who do the actual work for them. That makes them successfull. As Mary Lou Lorde (she would have some interesting stories to tell about CL on this channel, too) once put it: CL is not a musician, she's a just a great actor who is playing rock star. And many people are buying it. But her music is not an expression from her heart, it's just a vehicle to get the admiration she's craving so badly. She doesn't really care about the music. The only musician who is her friend is Michael Stipe, who admitted, his primary goal as a musician was to get as famous as possible. The music came from Peter Buck, Mike Mills and Bill Berry, Stipe just filled in the lyrics - just like Courtney did.
that's a great comment. But when Max Wallace said about CL how respected an artist she is actually gave the opposite result - Max Wallace lost his credibility in my eyes. He sounded more like her lawyer. You wrote "Musicians have zero respect for her" - listen to 09:50 Max says exactly the opposite, he says "musicians and music journalists respect CL as a musician."
@@lanovia3838 agreed…to me that showed me he’s just still tryna sell more books and keep this thing going….Courtney a good musician? FOH
His outpourings about Courtney are really disturbing. If you want to convince someone about something, say it once, maybe, twice. If you have to repeat it like 30 times: "She is actually talented, actually she is very talented, you can't deny she is talented" blah-blah, you come across both as scared and unsure of what you're saying. He somehow reminds me of Charles Cross and his work, speaking as if in Kurt's honor but actually perpetuating Courtney's agenda all these years or that Montage of Heck author, what's his face, doing the same thing. And now this dude... And he certainly knows nothing about music and the music scene of that time and has to rely on hearsay. Kim Gordon openly said nasty things about her as did Kathleen Hanna and many other musicians. And nobody ever mentioned anything about her musical skills. On any interview she never has any meaningful discussion about anything remotely connected to music but always talks and talks about fashion, musician's hairstyles and behavior and the size of the penises her boyfriends and alleged boyfriends had. Says a lot about 'a musician.' And I would also disagree about the lyrics on "Live Through This." They have Kurt's creative pattern. His way of constructing metaphors, his style imagery, his way of flipping verses. It's either she desperately tried to emulate him as much as possible to get to Nirvana's level of success or it was his work through and through.
That’s exactly what I got. Is he trying to “convince” us that she’s talented by repeating it over and over? He was trying to brush off facts SpyFox was bringing up by making it sound like ASF viewers have not distinguished the difference between disliking her for no reason vs disliking her for true reasons. I hate talking with people like this, it’s a subtle way of taking over the interview.
Pretty on the inside vs live through this is pretty much broken down by before Kurt vs during Kurt. Pretty on the inside was harsh and not very melodic. Live through this is hard and melodic just like nevermind and inutero. It has the same elements Kurt used with those albums. Without a doubt he played a part. Then there is after Kurt and that is all of CL’s musical contributions past live through this. It is all over the place because different people are constructing different albums.
I'm SO glad you addressed this...I felt like I was alone. I'm getting very conflicting messages from Max Wallace. Charles Cross vibes suddenly. Speaking out of both sides of his mouth...to quote Courtney's ex Rozz Rezabek from Kurt & Courtney: "A kinder, gentler Charlie Manson, is still fucking Charles Manson..." Your emotional intelligence shows by allowing him to speak in the moment.
Haha love that. A kindler, gentler Charlie Manson is still Charles Manson.
I always tell people when Courtney eventually Goes to Hell👹her and Charles Manson will be best buds!!
I think I have been able to catch a lot of the back handed compliments and contradicting statements more so than others because I'm editing the conversation and have to listen to each line separately but I'm glad people are still noticing some of them. That tells me I'm not crazy!
Sounds like Max is a little enamored with Courtney. I have NEVERRRR heard anyone ESPECIALLY these days after everything that’s come out about Courtney repeatedly say how “incredibly well respected” Courtney is. Very very very odd and suspicious to say the least. Also, why would Max Wallace agree to come on this show??? He’s a plant. He’s obviously team Courtney now and was probably paid off. He really was trying to drive home how ludicrous the idea of paying someone off is wasn’t he? While at the same time saying how he knows for a fact X amount of people are dependent on her for $. Very bizarre interview and not what I expected from him.
Also, it’s worth noting that “paying someone off” doesn’t necessarily mean cash. It can be favors, work, or whatever.
Have to admit. Wallace made three comments that made me wonder what the agenda was. 1) claimed he has friends who are friends with the remaining members of Hole. 2) claimed to have friends within Dave Grohl's inner circle. 3) claimed that he knew several people are still being financed by Courtney. They stood out because this is heresy. Unless he could name the friends and then it be confirmed that those people are indeed privy to this information we are basically just taking his word for it. Why would the guy responsible for making the Cobain case a worldwide, household subject be friends with people who are friends with Courtney and Company? I did not bother asking who these people are because I knew he'd just say it's a privacy thing and get no answer. I don't think Max was "paid off" or anything like this but it is obvious that he wanted to humiliate me or just make me look stupid. I think that's REALLY obvious.
@@AmericanSpyFox definitely man. Those were all some serious red flags. I don’t think he was “paid off” in the literal sense like cash in hand. What I meant by that is he seems to have some sort of interest in trying to restore Courtney’s reputation. I mean that tangent he went on about how well respected and important she is was just so bizarre. Also, what is his career like now??? Maybe Courtney has promised him rights to something for a book or movie or whatever. I definitely think she talked to him before this or someone in her circle.
@@AmericanSpyFox Agreed. That is 100% a conflict of interest.
Its not suspicious. Its true! And I don’t like her that much.
The reason he’s saying this is you have to make sure your bias isn’t painting false pictures of reality.
When Francis Bean gave Kurt's guitar to her ex-husband. Courtney was pissed and demanded the return of the guitar. Courtney threatened the ex. Telling him she could have him killed and make it look like an accident if he didn't return the guitar.
@AmericanSpyFox - I agree with everything you said 100%. You showed a lot of restraint & professionalism when you let him say what he was saying. I loved the part when you flashed " Frances and Kurts money" on the screen. You are a great interviewer. Krist does not have any mental health issues. He dabbled in Politics for a bit and has done other things. Can't wait for Part 3.
Krist has acted very strange over the last bunch of years though.
@@wantutosigh1117 How? I talk to him on Twitter, he seems fine. What have you seen him do or say? I'm very interested in this. Thanks.
@@DeniseVeronica When it comes to Kurt's death he has said some really bizarre things. Like, in an interview 10 years or so ago he commented on "conspiracy theories" and how they bother him. He then says something to the effect of, "Kurt bought a gun to deliberately kill himself. Why else would he buy a gun? He's not a hunter. He bought it for one reason" Which is an incredibly bizarre thing for him to say considering he knows full well that Kurt likes guns and owned guns. There's an mtv interview where Kurt and Krist are talking about guns and Kurt talk's about how he loves shooting and it's maybe the only sport he enjoys. Also, those of us who follow the case know why Kurt bought the gun. Dylan Carlson himself has said Kurt's guns were recently confiscated and there was a fear of intruders at his home. Hence the 20 gauge shotgun loaded with birdshot. Ideal for home defence. Dylan is the one who bought the gun for Kurt. Very strange comment from Krist.
He has also spouted the Courtney narrative that Kurt's overdose in Rome was his first suicide attempt. Even though the doctor who treated Kurt to this day denies it was a suicide attempt. No one ever even thought that until Courtney said it after Kurt died. Another odd thing for Krist to put out there.
Krist also said after the Rome incident Kurt seemed like he was just never the same and acted oddly because of that event. While no one else has ever claimed Kurt was different and never the same. A lot of very bizarre comments for Krist to put out there.
@@wantutosigh1117 I know he said all that and he also said Kurt bought towels b/c he didn't want to make a mess. I really think he is scared for his own life and his wife and thats why he says all that BS. We all know the Rome thing wasn't a suicide. I just think he is watching what he says in public b/c he doesnt want anyone to kill him follow him or his Wife. I never believed his interviews. Maybe he knows something and doesnt want to admit it? Who knows. We all know what happened. I know he didnt go to the wedding b/c he didnt want Kurt to get married. I think he knows how far Courtney will go and says things not to piss her off.
Thanks for the real truth bro!!!!
Love your love for Kurt Cobain, and we both believe Kurt didn't "kill himself". I really enjoy your channel. Thanks for all your hard work, tell the Mrs. hello as well. Imo, I don't think Courtney is a talented singer, writer maybe, but not a singer. I felt that way even before Kurt died. If Courtney punched me in the face, she would be making a trip to the dentist 😂
I'd pay to see that lol. No one's ever stood up to her. That's why she's a bully.
@@AmericanSpyFox I'm not intimidated in the least by a bully, least of all that talentless leech.
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@@AmericanSpyFox
She hasn't been to the regular streets. 💡any woman her age or older, get the chance to meet her in the ring, sponsored by McMahon $$$$$ lmao 🤣
She is not even a guitarist. I could play guitar like she does ..bling bling bling LOL and her voice ...she yells she don't sing
AmericanSpyFox, your videos are absolutely amazingly well done!!! All the info and interviews you put together with important people involved in the Kurt Cobain case. I always get really excited when I sees new upload. I always believed that there was something way off about Kurt and Kristen’s death. They both deserve their justice! You are doing amazing work in putting all the info that’s out there and more in one place. Kurt Cobain and Kristen Pfaff will have their revenge on Seattle, Courtney Love and anyone else involved in their deaths. I’m so happy to have came across your videos before the holidays. I support you and what you are doing here, it’s very important!!! Lots of love and respect from Montreal, Canada. ♥️
Oh, cool. You live where Melissa Auf Der Maur lives. Maybe you could get me an interview? lol
Watched 'Alt Copperpot5' video of Nirvana, in Seattle, December 13, 1993. This stint, Kurt is just amazing. Laughing, bobble headed during songs, having an amazing time. Patty Smear was there that night performing with them. This show is a sample of Kurt, just months prior to his demise. First off, he loved Frances Bean to the Moon and Back. He was amazed at Fatherhood. Rosemary Carrol was an attorney, she would not help him with anything regarding a 'divorce'... She was a subject to putting a nail in Kurt's coffin. (figuratively) he was cremated. Watch the boys play for just over an hour, an amazing show. Good Vibes to All from The Pacific Northwest!
Who is this AltCopperpot dude? He has refurbished some amazing video of Nirvana.
Starting to wonder about this guy Wallace - he's dismissive of Krist! WTF. Krist is still making music, performing, doing his thing, does occasional interviews. Krist is actually about the coolest guy alive on the planet rn, so Wallace can just back off on that one! (Yes, Krist is way cooler than Dave Grohl, wonderful as he is.)
I agree. Krist helped found the band. He is a hypocrite. He wasn’t the downfall of the band. Knew Kurt before probably any other person mentioned.
One thing you have on your side Charlie is youth. And I say this from the perspective of memory and facts. The younger your mind the more you remember things - especially things you know to be true. This is where you have an advantage over others because that is just the way it is. Time can refract or distort memories to the point where others believe what they say only to be reminded it might have actually been different. Keep up the good work.
yeah, but this is a guy who researched and wrote 2 books on the subject. it literally made him rich. i think i'd remember my breakthrough case that made my career.
Listening to these first couple of videos have been getting me through a rather sluggish Saturday at work. You da man SpyFox! 😎
The Queen of Seattle rock who inspired women all over was Ann Wilson!
Yep! I was going to comment the same."Most talented women in rock" well I think Ann & Nancy both, should be on that list.
Good One! 😄- Courtney can only hope to have a voice like Ann's or Nancy!.....
Loving the new content. Keep up the great work. Keep them coming. 👍🏻❤️
If she's so talented why only one respected album? An album that Kurt was widely responsible for?
Courtney love is a classic conartist and knows that in America to be powerful you need money and money will give you connections and power then you are playing by different rules than the rest of us as a longtime conartist I have no doubt that when she was lucky inuf to hookup with Kurt she knew she hit pay dirt big time. Kurt by end of his life and marriage began to realize he had been used and had been a victim of a conartist his wife a person he loved I can't even imagine the effect on him .
Great comment. I've been through the same, and it's shocking to say the least. On top of that shock and heartbreak, I'm sure Kurt felt like he had no one he could talk to about it or wouldn't be believed. He had the whole world on his shoulders, but he could have made a complete turn around, and had a much better life had he been able to get away from his abuser. Wish he would have hired a 24-hour/day bodyguard ti protect him until he was safely divorced and away from her!
@@lisaisgrig7636 I’ve also thought this ,so being a musician and I had strong feelings something was going on and I couldn’t trust anyone around me enough to take off and try not to be found I’d find a way to record or write a statement or something saying I was in fear of my life, being a recording artist I wonder if he did and maybe got caught because he had at least a cassette recorded he recorded on in his closet for years then he became famous so he had to have something to record on ,so I ask myself why didn’t he? Or did he and got found out and then Courtney stepped up her search for a hit man.. my bet is she found it and destroyed or deleted it ,being they made a movie with Kurt’s voice over, she had it if it existed.
CL did have a tendency to steal diaries, journals, whatever. Anything Kurt wrote, she prolly got her hands on it.
@@lisaisgrig7636 thanks your similar experience is unfortunate!
@@lisaisgrig7636 you are right and as narcissistic as CL is, she prolly did a good job taking any real support system away from Kurt.
Really took away a lot from this. Cudos for being such a great interviewer. This was great.
Love the content....always interesting and well done
OfCourse, Coutney has some talent. But she's always relied on people with more talent!
Yea shes a great air guitarist 🤣
@@blood_sausage9620 I love blood sausage! Very tasty!
A leech
After listening to actual audio of her playing the guitar, can you really call her a musician? Talented? Lol I'll crack the jokes.
Sounds like a pissed off cat in heat 🤣
@@brittany5329Like a bag of kittens drowning in a canal lol.
Where I agree her ”playing guitar” was hot garbage I’m pretty sure when she’s in a studio or “writing” she can probably play some ,she’s been around and sucked the soul out of all these other actual musicians out there that she can get some work done? I’m thinking she had her band doing all the major work so she just screws around either high or drunk for live shows and she just didn’t care what noise came out during this show. I wish we had a show where we know for sure she was actually trying, I only hope that there are more pissed off sound guys out there with at least audio out there that we can take a look at ,I’ve even seen decent musicians out there having a bad night and just be off out there too.
The sound guy even said it was a small club so Courtney being as high society she thinks she is probably just didn’t give a crap about the small audience and just wanted to get through her set and get out of there.. mostly I’m on your side I could totally believe she can’t play ,but I want more evidence before I make my final decision on that one..
Helps to have other band members write stuff. Eric was co-founder.
Fact. Courtney Love threatened to beat my ass at a show at the Wiskey A Go Go in Hollywood. Gotta keep watching.
As a fan of hers, I would have been honored! 🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯❤❤❤
Did she really? What was the reason like do you remember why she threatened you? Would love to know!
She tossed a guitar into the crowd. Everyone went nuts. I had my hand on it and wasn't going to let go. Then I hear Courtney screaming if that chick doesn't leave with that guitar I'm kicking your ass. I notice it was down to me and this girl left with our hands on it. I put my hands in the air like I surrender. The girl got the guitar. And the show went on. Correction the show was at The Roxy. I get the venues on Sunset Blvd confused.
Good Stuff. Wallace is acting very odd.
I think the riff between David and Courtney started when Nirvana where recording In Utero with Steve Albini? I thought there was still another part of that video series to come as well where you talk more about that stuff and the fight between them?
That was new info to me,I had no idea Dave was friendly toward Courtney prior to Kurt meeting Courtney, it brought up a few questions in my mind,I’ve had people around me say they think Dave may have been evolved in the hole thing and I was like no way he despises Courtney! And now I find out he was friendly with her before Kurt , I’m not saying he did but it does raise an eyebrow now noting this..
People didn't seem interested in it so I stopped. Maybe they have views now? Yeah, there was a big rift between Albini and Kurt because of Courtney sticking her nose in Albini's business. I'll finish it for you.
This went in a strange direction. Who's side is he on here? And that rubbish about Krist being a crackpot and having serious mental health issues is just so far from reality and untrue. Krist just never sought the limelight after Nirvana disbanded like Dave Grohl. That's nothing to be ashamed of and he certainly shouldn't be criticzed for choosing to live a private life.
I’ve seen or heard nothing about Krists “mental issues” so I’m having a hard time believing it ,but I do have questions that Krist doesn’t believe Courtney had Kurt taken out, and after a close friend dying like that I could see having some mental trouble. I’m not sure what to think on this one but he’s always seemed as one of the more put together guys on this one,I’m betting the Spyfox here will look into it though!
Max Wallace needs to make up his mind if he is going to be a journalist or a politician. My God does this man slip and slide all over the place! Btw, my favorite part of this video is when you said "I wish she would punch me in the face". I was laughing my ass off at that, you are sooo right, I was thinking the same thing! Love it!
lyrics are important as they can take a good or great song to another level. lyrics are the magic dust.
I agree! Sometimes the lyrics can be the best part of a song!
@@hwoods-kg1jf Yep. Lyrics are rarely bad enough to ruin a song. There's always enough people around a band to help out with the lyrics.
Lyrics become important when you have a good song, then you add good lyrics. That is when a song has the power to move people. No girl is crying for Journey's "Faithfully" as pure instramental. No one's heart aches for "The Long and Winding Road" or U2's "One", or Zepp's "Ten Years Gone", if the songs remained pure instrumental tracks. Or if they were sung in a foreign language.
Courtney belting out "Go on take everything!" is on the Mount Rushmore of an era's great moments.
@@Frip36 Bad lyrics can indeed ruin songs, in fact it's pretty common. ASF praised Dolores O'Riordan in this video, but she wrote some of the stupidest lyrics of her genre/era.
The lyrics or the way the lyrics are sung? I guess if a song told a great story or if they were eloquent as f*ck. But usually it's how the lyrics are arranged and what notes the vocalist utilizes. If she arranged the lyrics and decided how they'd be sung herself then I'd say she does have some talent. But honestly, I see Kurt & Kristen deciding the arrangements along with the riffs.
@@scottcharney1091 IT's not common. it's rare. people help out in the stuidio and pub.
Great video ty!!!✔️
I would be curious what Max Wallace's interpretation of the FF song "Dear Rosemary" is. That song is clearly Grohl saying there is something amiss about Kurt's death and Rosemary Carroll knows something.
Some lyrics---
"This was no ordinary life"
To Rosemary - "get away, get away, get away from me" - away from me (Grohl).
Somebody prove that I'm wrong.
I noticed that too in other songs. It's like he's saying, "I'm not talking about CL, but if I were..." Stunning! I wish he would just say it (if he is suspicious) but he's probably tired of the lawsuits already.
@@ArizonaRed yeah I know and I don't look for it but some are obvious. "Friend of a friend" def about Kurt. But yep, the CL lawsuit or whatever thing. Plus maybe Dave just doesn't want to talk about losing his good friend. It's curious though.
Eric Erlandson is the one who knows and will break. I'm trying to get an interview with him
And when she finally finds a cell with her name on it she will probably finish out her last year's in it. Crazy, old and forgotten
Another great video ☺ 😎 💯
I hate it when people dismiss information on the basis of status and authority. Status and authority have nothing to do with wether your information is accurate or not. This is a logical fallacy. From my experience, independent journalists are the best at their jobs. They are forced to appeal to factual information if they want to be taken serious.
It's weird he calls Krist a crackpot and then says how he *was* so into progressive politics. Is he calling him a crackpot because he no longer is into progressive politics? Because he brought up Tom Grant's politics too but said he's still fond of him regardless, like it's unusual. Oh I just remembered something. Krist went offline because he made some mild comment that wasn't towing the progressive line & people went after him. I wonder if this guy is one of those people who sees everything through the lens of politics & will write people off who don't fall in line. It's just weird he says he has "mental health issues" and then brings up his politics. That's a big claim to make & if he doesn't know him & is calling him a crackpot based on a tweet he put out about some dumb political figure.. I don't like that.
I agree with this statement ,I’d like to see what Krist had said, I’d curious to how I would feel about it myself? I’m not a fan of Trump by any means ,but Kurt himself actually mentioned how he could see Trump becoming President one day because he saw that a lot of people liked him, not sure if Kurt would gotten on the MAGA train or not but knowing his view about women I’d say he wouldn’t have voted for him..
@xFleazilla x I remember looking up his tweet & I think it praised Trump, but I don't remember it being anything crazy. People went after him and said how Kurt would hate him & all kinds of nasty things. Like these people actually knew Kurt like Krist did. I think it really hurt his feelings. I wonder if I can still find it. Time to start googling 🙂
@@stacin821 I can not stand the type of people you get into arguments with and if it goes against what they believe, they will then say garbage like “Kurt wouldn’t like a fan like you. Blah blah” it’s the most juvenile mess. Yeah they really know Kurt on an intimate level.
SpyFox, appreciate your work so much brother. I love 3 quarters of the way through and you go through the list of female artists who absolutely smoke CL on talent and creativity, completely nailing it with Fiona Apple who I met at Whole Foods in LA while bumping Extraordinary Machine album on my way to the store! People like that are the real women in rock who haven't hurt people, only helped in life.
Good work.
I can’t get a good read on this guy.. aching to see what part 3 reveals
same, gives me a weird ass vibe
He’s been groomed
Another good video. You are not one of those people who just dislikes Courtney. You’ve done your research✌🏻. The fact that Courtney is on RS 200 singers list is just insane. Another thing about him is he is so obviously can’t separate politics. Never have I heard about Krist having mental issues. Maybe because he is/was openly Republican. Yet Dave, as we know is very Liberal. I don’t think this guy can be objective at all. Also could you please tell him to say Nirvana properly🤣🤟🏻🤷🏼♀️
And Celine Dion ain't.
She's well respected in the industry? Anyone see that PJ Harvey bring you my love she covered in San Francisco!?? Absolutely horrendous. I double PJ thought differently!!
Yes he didn't pronounce Nirvana right not one time haha
NeerVanna 🤬
I agree he sounds like some people i used to know who associate decisions with political boxes. Ex if you question the j*b your an anti v*xer and a trump supporter!!?? Lol! He's putting people in political boxes and critical thinking has nothing to do with that. I asked about the j*b and I was asked if I believe in Q? WTF!?? How are they related? Everything is being politicized and it just closes you off too many other issues not just this case as it has done so with the interviewee.
Respect for her as a musician? I thought she didn’t write any of it, and that she fakes playing the guitar?
The reason why she's so respected goes deeper than just the music world. This has to do with Epstein. She comes from that world.
No, she comes from the creative world. Epstein was a business guy providing services that made him profit. Courtney liked molesting under age girls. This is well known. Epstein much like the Jews who financed western civilization since the black death, wade serving the servant aka Danny Goldberg.
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Epstein was linked to a foreign intelligence service to gather blackmail on American government figures, rich and connected Americans, and American popular figures for the benefit of said foreign government.
Explain COURTNEY LOVE s connection to Epstein? I ll wait….
Courtney was a known junkie. They don’t any additional blackmail on her, and for what would they need it?
Maybe you should make a video that summarizes all the facts. Really streamlined. And direct people to watch it before you interview them. 10m or so. It would be tricky to boil everything down like that. But I think it would be helpful.
@@sadderthanyou7793 I think u could. Writing is an art form. Some writers are really good at expressing complex ideas in very little words. Like Kurt Cobain.
I mean, the guy wrote two books and is world famous for implying Courtney Did It. I thought he'd be up to date on facts.
Live through this is a great album it's incredible TBH. Her other albums abs suck tho. IMHO. I was just thinking about the lyrics the other day, doll parts for ex I don't think anyone but a woman could write that. However in any case, the b is crazy and if she didn't send to k'll her ex hubby she definitely drove him cray cray and had some hand in it. Side note anyone heard the PJ Harvey song Courtney covered? To bring you my love? In San Francisco... It's MOST HORRENDOUS. ID BE EMBARRASSED
I use to give Courtney the benefit of the doubt, but I watched the doc "soaked in bleach" and I was shocked at how Rosemary Carroll Kurt and Courtney's attorney at the time said that Kurt called her on April 1 before his Rome overdose and wanted Courtney removed from his Will!
Then Courtney called Rosemary Carroll a day later asking if she could override Kurt's will. And that she wanted the most nasty lawyer to help her. This was days before Kurt took his life apparently.
And the audio footage of CL and how she talked about Kurt, to Tom when he was supposedly missing is disturbing. She literally said that maybe if Kurt is dead this will be advertising for her record that was about to be released.
Really appreciate you doing these videos and seeking justice for Kurt. THANK YOU also for your comments about what Courtney is truly like. I thought it was bizarre after all of Max Wallace’s research he is blind to these truths. I appreciate you keeping it real. Kudos. 🙏🏼🙌💯
There's something very, very wrong with Max. He's an investigative journalist but doesn't know the facts or forgets. And CL is a respected musician? Who are his references for this. I smell money here.
And I'm going to chime in about Grohl. There's something about him I don't trust at all. And he has sold out. He knows way more than he lets on, and it's not through fear that he doesn't speak out.
I disagree. If you have two daughters, you would fear...
The very concept that one can have a civil conversation or even respect someone's opinions regardless of political affiliation is amazing to Max.
Max lives in a very simple world...
"Facts AIN'T defamation"😊
Rip hank harrison
Why was this guests voice so damn shaky near the end? Cause he's just an author with limited research proximity. Once the book is done he's off elsewhere. Therefore he can afford to not get to close to his subjects. Kurt's case almost DEMANDS you get to know these individuals motives and persona in order to find the truths. Love yr channel, man.
Maybe he is being watched. That could count for the shaky, uncomfortable vibe.
Great job on your investigation on kurt I know he didn't kill himself don't stop doing what your doing a lot of people don't believe he committed suicide justice needs to be served
Great 👍👍 upload
Glad you brought up the b,s, Wallace was saying about CL etc 👍
This guy on left. Playing the "i'm old enough to rememeber how respecte she was." She was respected by the Liberal up with Girls press. On the ground by real fans of the genre....nope.
Good interview. I cringe everytime he says Nirvaaana tho 😂
Glad I'm not the only one!!😁
You're 100% right about not wanting to necessarily offend your guest but feelings and facts have nothing to do with one another and you do NOT need to respect Love's "talent" or "relativeness" to respect the facts within this case hell, you don't need to like KURT for that matter it has nothing to do with objective reality. I don't understand why Max had to continue with that, I always say emotion has no place in debates, arguments or investigation because that brings bias but this isnt a political debate here it is a murder investigation that the facts heavily leans against her.
Unfortunately Wallace is nothing but a political puppet and it’s clearly obvious through this interview.
Courtney doesn't get enough credit for her air guitar skills she displays on real guitars!! Eff the haters!!
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I wish Max would watch the vid where SpyFox exposed her “guitar playing”.
The crazy thing is if you watch her strumming, it's not even correct! lmao
@@AmericanSpyFox Yeah, she can't even line up with what the actual rhytum would be!
Saying Krist is anything less than honorable , and Dave is well respected is a HUGE Stretch ...Dave sold-out by the time Kurt's funeral was over. Any1 alive back then knows Krist had back bone and conviction, and Dave wanted to front his own project, Dave wanted to be in the spotlight. Now he has even a bigger spotlight since he doesn't have to share it with Taylor (RIP)
Exactly!
I agree I could tell Max Wallace was unknowingly out of touch with some of the topics you guys were talking about.
I disagree with the part that Krist and Dave are not depending on Courtney, she basically has complete control over the monetary aspects of Nirvana which feed them. Don't fall into the trap thinking that Dave doesn't need the proceeds from Nirvana, it's never enough for some people! He's not a billionaire btw. His record label probably make 90% of his profits off Foo. That's why these people tour until they look like fossils, it's not for the love of music...it's all about the money, power and fame for them.
true but Grohl has exceeded the wealth of Cobain's royalties. I think Grohl tours non stop because he is addicted to it. James Hetfield from Metallica said he is addicted to performing almost like a drug, this is a thing.
Money is money though right? Even a small piece of the Nirvana pie is a nice piece, especially when that money is infinite. Dave looks pretty fat and happy to me. I'll re-phrase a bit though, these older bands now probably do still love music but their ego's drive them more than passion does. You can tell by the crap music they are writing these days. So basically you are making my point, addiction...to money, power and fame just like I said. It's exhausting work.
@@aberdeenlizards yes I'm sure Krist Novoselic is living a good life on Nirvana royalties. Dave has Nirvana wealth plus extra with the foo fighters. Toppled up with the addiction of wealth, power, fame etc creates a of toxic stardom. I guess we agree, but my point is Dave is far, far richer than he use to be.
It's never enough for some...he should change his name to Dave Greed. Believe me I'm pro-capitalism but it's still gross and people think this guy is not a sellout. All I want in my life is 1 lousy year of success , then I'll quit. If I ever make it that is. It's been 30 years and I still haven't given up.@@common-girl
It was very insulting the way he put down "amateur sleuths" as fans who just "hate CL". So dismissive and so wrong. At lot of us, me included, know more about this case than this so-called "professional". He wrote several books, but seemed to not know certain aspects that have been demonstrably proven.
He's such an expert and professional, yet he doesn't even know how to pronounce Nirvana. Nir-VAAAN-ah. He sounds like a CL stan, which is pretty ironic considering his statements about our alleged biases.
I never "hated" CL. I actually liked her back in the day. I grew to dislike her after learning the very suspicious circumstances surrounding Kurt's death, her extremely suspicious behavior, and vast connections. I have read every book published about this because the more I learned, the more I wanted to understand. HOWEVER, I am perfectly capable of remaining objective. There are some examples of things I've read that I don't necessarily believe, but if I were just on the "hate CL" train, I'd believe anything and everything negatively said about her.
You don't have to be a "professional" in order to be able to be objective and there are plenty of "professional" writers who have great personal bias. I don't mean in this case or not JUST in this case. It happens with writers who write about other controversial topics.
Amateur sleuths have solved cold case homicides the police couldn't solve.
Just because someone isn't paid to do the digging doesn't mean we are at some sort of intellectual deficit or are incapable of objectivity. I was looking forward to this interview (even though I'm late to be watching it) and I was really turned off by some of his comments.
Not to mention, people who investigate any situation and publish books about it often start out as "amateurs", but they put in the work. He's not any better or smarter than any of us. Based on some of his off-putting comments, I'd argue he has some deficits himself. Minimally, he sure wasn't clever in some of his comments.
The definition of amateur: a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid rather than a professional basis.
There is nothing about the definition that implies inferior to "professionals". You know who else were considered amateurs in their field? Darwin, Galileo, Michael Faraday. There are many more, but you get the idea.
You nailed it Charles…I cannot stand her nor even listen to her because she constantly escapes consequences for her psychotic behaviour. THAT drives me nuts. Talent? Don’t care any more. I think she is capable of great harm and I would even say causing death, without conscience. Yet she still remains free. Wow, and yet the guy comments on Novoselic, very unflatteringly. He sounds scared. Has CL fluttered her legal team near him? I bet she has.
His hatred of Krist is more telling than anything else he says. Ian was the one was actually in the music scene.
Great job. I totally agree and see what you're saying about him being confused or unaware of certain facts.
I found it interesting that Billy Corgan wasn't discussed more and the influence he had on Courtney's claim of "work she did" in Hole, that Billy has admitted straight up that he has written songs etc.
I think Max underestimates the abilities of internet research.
Exactly right! He waaaay underestimates the power of the internet and hive mining for information and data. People can be VERY resourceful.
Amateur sleuths have solved cold case homicides the police couldn't solve.
Just because someone isn't paid to do the digging doesn't mean we are at some sort of intellectual deficit or are incapable of objectivity. I was looking forward to this interview (even though I'm late to be watching it) and I was really turned off by some of his comments.
The definition of amateur: a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid rather than a professional basis.
There is nothing about the definition that implies inferior to "professionals". You know who else were considered amateurs in their field? Darwin, Galileo, Michael Faraday.
One of the best punk albums of all time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣
That was hilarious.
At 25:20 you said that Kristen Pfaff did backing vocals for Hole’s Celebrity Skin album. Did I misunderstand? Or was it recorded years before it was released (before Kristin’s) death? (Or meant to say “live through this”?)
I think he meant to say "Live Through This" because Celebrity Skin was recorded long after Kristen died. Melissa Auf Der Maur sang back ups on Celebrity Skin.
If I did, it was clearly a mistake.
You act like IDK the history. You've been a supporter of the channel for years. You should know it was a mistake
@@hwoods-kg1jf Thanks Woods, I don't know much about Hole's discography, nor general info--unless it pertains to Kurt/Nirvana (the death investigation). I had also forgot that Maur didn;t just play with the Pumpkins!
@@AmericanSpyFox Just getting back to comments after a bout with the "Rona". I d/k know if you were offended by my question or busting chops. Regardless, I can see how the intent of my question could appear-- for which I apologize. But there's a huge misunderstanding here. I know this is a lengthy reply, but I want to clarify why I posted that question:
Prior to joining your channel, I knew very little about Hole nor about Courtney's career as an entertainer & rock music impersonator. I only knew what related to Nirvana/Kurt/the investigation. Much of her history (post-Kurt) was a void for me, and I thought Hole was done by the mid-90's. However, I love researching the albums of my fav bands (studio, gear used, methodology, production, etc). In the past couple years I’ve become a fan of Pfaff’J-Joe. So when you said (or I thought you said) Pfaff sang on "Celeb Skin", I was very interested & started looking into the album details. **Because your videos are well researched and put together, and 99% accurate, I didn't even question it. Nor did Wallace say anything to the contrary. So when I found out "Skin" was released in the late 90's, I assumed I had missed something in an earlier video about when it was actually recorded (tracked). So I just wanted to ask if you misspoke, OR if you found out something about “Skin”-like it had actually been recorded during the “Live through this” era, but released much later (which happens a lot). The prospect that Pfaff might’ve recorded parts of Cskin would’ve been very interesting to me.
My apologies if I came off as facetious, but I wasn’t trying to “call you out”, troll you, or challenge your knowledge! I’ve racked up 300 or so subscriptions on YT over the past 10 or 15 years. Your channel is one of a small few that I follow the most, and the only one I contribute to financially and am a Patron of. 😊
I wonder if Max Wallace was a bit toasted. In the third video he seems…more sober.
Guy on left making non-points. Courtney is/was SO RESPECTED. Really? Who's this guy hanging out with that think this? And he says Nirvana wrong. I've never heard anyone say NirVANa. Like Banana. No, it's Nirvahuh. Soft A's.
I have. The host at the mock show in "In Bloom" video))
I’ve heard it pronounced that way by people who aren’t fans of Nirvana many times in the past or people who wear the t-shirt because they thought it looked cool and is now popular with teens..
@@aliya_punkenglish this is so freaking funny- good reference. I used to always say “NirVANa” after that guy wound say it like that. 😂😂
Wow. Just kind of dumbstruck about the whole interview. The ONLY reason I can come up with for his somewhat dodgy demeanor, is that maybe he is very aware of how deep, dark and ruthless CL's ties are. I was a fly on the wall in Atlanta at the studio when LTT was recorded. I can say this for certain...she scares me. The intimidation and shear craziness is is and was real. There's nothing I wouldn't put past her. Thank you for your hard work and dedication. There should be more like you fighting the good fight.
Kurt mistake was getting Courtney in the first place ,, At the time we all could see it
He fucked up '' The End ''
Exactly! Dave knew Courtney via Jennifer Finch (of L7). Courtney and Jennifer knew each other for many years before Kurt hit the scene. Pat Smear had known Courtney for many years before joining Nirvana. Roddy Bottom (of Faith No More) is another ex-boyfriend of Courtney's that's not talked about much. He is an interesting character, for sure. There are more...
agreed
Seems to me that Courtney has some serious dirt on Dave Grohl. I think he fears her because of what she knows.
That was awkward, Max looks like hes going out of his way to defend CL. Its only natural to wonder why hes doing it? :)
either he still talks to her or he is just being respectful.
Dave was scared to talk about Kurt’s death because it still hurts him.
you ARE a good interviewer dude, it best to let the guest talk at will.
Max, I hate Courtney more than I thought I could hate. However, as much as it kills me to say this, I will agree that Courtney was a intelligent, talented person in certain areas, and Live Through This and the one after, were good albums. I hate myself a little for liking some of her faster punk songs, but I still hate her songs like Malibu or whatever it was, and how the chords before she sings "oh make me over is the same as before Kurt's lyrics "one baby to another..."
I used to believe Courtney when it happened. After Kurt and Courtney and Unsolved Mysteries I started to do my own research and was on the fence. After some point years and years ago there was just to much to deny.
I love Kittie. When I found them and brought their album to them it took some convincing that it was an all girl band. Lol
I’m guilty of liking Live Through This and a few songs on Celebrity skin ,and I was into Pretty on the Inside when it was more punk and I was pretty pissed off in my youth ,I also have a hard time believing that she just can’t play guitar ,I’m thinking she probably just didn’t give a crap about the small club or was drunk and high that night,could be be she was just pissed off at the sound guy and was doing it just to get through the the set and get out of there ,she has multiple albums out there if can’t play or right there’s no way your going to be out there that much unless the band behind you Carrie’s all the weight even then it would stick out like sore thumb ,I’d say she’s not a great musician but she can play enough when she sits down and gets serious she can pull it off at least..
Dude... You put Kittie up there with Pantera? Am I missing something?! 😄
They had some very memorable riffs. Heavy. Makes you want to break shit. They're in the same stadium just maybe not on the field lol
CL speaks to anyone that is still at war with the toxicity within themselves. She will speak to anyone that is not healed. Live through this is fun to scream to when you are bleeding everywhere.
Thank you! And well said! She has preyed on the sick and weary her entire life.
There's Something about that Max Wallace that just doesn't sit right with me if he wrote two books on Kurt Cobain why can't he even remember how long he's been dead?
Not that hard to do the math he's been dead for 28 years! Why is he so Pro Courtney & Praises all of her "Non" accomplishments? That in itself just makes me think there is something not right... For God's sake he can't even pronounce Nirvana right!!🙄
R.I.P.⚘Kurt🥀
As a musician I have zero respect for cl as an artist. She’s not a good singer or guitarist or songwriter
Didn’t think I’d hear an Acid Bath shout out. Which album to you prefer????
Im sorry i cant trust anyone who pronounces Nirvana that way
I said the exact same thing!!😆
“Nevermind The Pistols...its LIVE THROUGH THIS!!”
I like so many in the "whole generation of young people" that at one time had any kind of regrettable reverence for what Courtney Love pretended to do in her celebretarian pretzel show-pony vapidness on and off stage have now grown up and we see through her PR facade.
It is completely possible for someone to be a fan at one point then grow to realize the deeper aspects of the musician and musicianship or lack thereof behind an album including narcissistic traits and questionable behaviour with or without the inclusion or acknowledgement of a crime or crimes.
Thinking about it didn’t she say something in an interview she was taking guitar lessons somewhere around celebrity Skin?
Yes. It’s called evolving. Haha