Following Kurt Cobain | Dylan Carlson, Patty Schemel, Richard Lee, El Duce Ep.3
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2023
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In episode 3 Author Max Wallace of Who Killed Kurt Cobain talks about clandestinely maneuvering his way into a discussion with Dylan Carlson about Kurt Cobain, doing so while posing as a Canadian tourist in Seattle. Patty Schemel and Michael Dewitt enter the conversation and Wallace tries to set the record straight about the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of Eldon Hoke a.k.a. El Duce.
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Max states Dave has always agreed that Kurt committed suicide, and openly tells people close to him that!. The interview clip played at the start, Dave clearly says he was nervous about writing about Kurt in his book, and somethings he did write he hadn't revealed even to his close friends. He also said he knows what people want him to write, "they have unanswered questions! As do I!!" I don't believe Dave has spoken much to anyone about Kurt's death openly, maybe his wife etc, but what are those questions Dave?. Richard Lee as crazy as he comes across, I give him points for his pushy questions! Sadly people thought he was a joke! ( Duff thinking he's a hero and everyone applauding )But really he was just asking the hard questions that make people uncomfortable. He's definitely an out there character but he was on to something from the beginning. I remember watching his channel years ago and thinking ok there's some interesting stuff here but fk he's odd lol!!. I still think Dylan knows something, I don't think Courtney's heart is that big that she financially carries them for years without it benefiting her in someway. And Eric and letters to Kurt! Financial gain, Cali and his Artwork, a body of work around Kurt's death! Financial gain!. All these people are players that remain open to speculation!
It is interesting that Duff and Kurt were both on Geffen Records. David Geffen is a high-level architect of 80's and 90's pop culture.
if dave and kris "think" that kurt killed himself - then they won't be "suicided" either...
He says he wants answers.
It's not only financial gain - Eric's and Goldberg's outpourings and Cali's work, it looks and reads and feels very much like guilt.
@@aliya_punkenglish Yeah that's totally right!! That's the first thing I thought when I was reading letters to Kurt!! Guilt!
Dylan is actually quite easy to meet. He always hangs out with the fans at every Earth show. I've had the pleasure of meeting him briefly a few times. Incredibly kind, humble and soft spoken guy. I always wanted to ask questions about the case but never had a good enough opportunity. At least not one where it felt respectful and appropriate.
Yep that’s how he was when I saw him in Houston
He’s not arrogant at all
Very quiet and soft spoken just was watching the show. I’ve always thought Dylan was kind of Attractive, his guitar playing his personality and he looks a little like my partner
At some point we need for there to be an interview with Dylan. That's if he agrees to one.
Never thought he had any involvement save he was kept sweet by CL which might still be the case
@@igolfjtweetler4097 Dylan has been clean for years. Last I heard, he's married and living in London. Seems like he's doing quite well with Earth. I doubt he has any more ties with Courtney.
@@Choronzon- Exactly. Dylan moved on a loooong time ago. I mean, the guy's been clean for 20 years as we speak.
So what Max is saying is, if you believe in any additional conspiracy theories besides the one he does, he will not associate with you because it makes him look bad. A little weird to just admit that for no reason.
Thanks for saying this kam , my sentiments exactly, I liked the way Spyfox noticed that there seems to be a bit of a (hole) pun intended in some of Maxwell's interview content regarding CL , etc .
This guy is a f@cking moron..he points out that she is still paying for dylan and all these guys decades later, which is obviously suspicious af, but goes on and on about her being a great musician, what a kook this old schmuck is. Richard lee is the o.g.
No he’s saying it makes the person seem less credible which it does. I got blocked by the guy who directed Soaked in Bleach because I didn’t agree with the Trump conspiracy theories he started pushing.
He is Jewish, like Courtney
@@195duke wtf does that mean, adolf?
Cali de Witt is the one I'm suss about. He was a junkie, living at Kurt's house (hired by Courtney) and was there in the days after Kurt left rehab, when Kurt was home, just before Kurt died. He and gf Jessica Hopper were seen leaving the house by taxi very early one morning, after JH vomited beside the driveway. At the least, this couple knew Kurt was dead and were scarpering to avoid trouble. Was it Cali's dna on the cigarette butts in the greenhouse, that didn't match Kurt's brand (also found there)? We'll never know, thanks SPD.
At least, Cali comes across as a fixer for CL, keeping her informed of what was going on at home, at a time we know Kurt was refusing all calls and contact from Courtney. Whatever happened around Kurt's death, it seems to have scared Cali and Jessica away from the house, and thus the plot to have the electrician find the body was concocted. (And it was Courtney who hired the electrician.)
Cali came from a "wealthy" family but it sounds like maybe they just had a business. It doesn't mean he can't be bought off (in fact wealthy people like that sort of stuff - "no-one ever went broke taking a profit" they say) and does not mean they were wealthy enough to support their son for life and make money unappealing to him.
Idk about Cali but we know Jessica got all weird and offensive when asked about Kurt's death decades later at a literary event in Ireland, and the questioner was thrown out of the event.
Possibly a lot of people are happy to take CL's money even while disliking her but they shutup because they value their own lives and know or wonder what she's capable of.
Ya that's pretty messed up...two people who were supposed to be his friends were actually there in his house when he died and took off before anyone could question them and still won't talk to this day..they were f$#&ing there!!! They know more than anyone and they aren't telling the truth or talking and no one is trying to get them to crack and the one person that did try to find out got thrown out of the interview after Hopper went crazy and couldn't answer anything again🙄 WTF...how is this even allowed?
Yeah and the fact she arranged the electrician via phone call from her hotel - strange thing to think of while doing a supposed outpatient detox program
Agreed. Cali is the one I am most suspicious of as well. I can't wrap my head around any scenario where Dylan would have a part of killing his best friend.
I love the fact that you are around Mr. SpyFox. I talk out loud about Kurts case at work and honestly, no one has debated me. They're to busy agreeing.
Oh God, they must hate you lmao.
@@90sArchive why if everyone agrees?
@@maninthebox3654 They probably agree in the same way people laugh at unfunny people's jokes just to be polite.
@@90sArchive who knows, maybe they do agree, we don't know tbf
@dirkjewitt5037 : That's great news! Glad to hear it! Must be so refreshing to share the truth of Kurt Cobain's real story and have others believe you.
We keep hearing what Max doesn't think happened. Will we get a feel for what he does think happened?
I played Allen wrenches back yard once. Met him at a plumbing expo also
Glad to hear you back up Richard Lee. I know people act like he's crazy and he's like the over the top guy but it's funny how he has the balls to go in public and question the people who would know. It's nice to have American Spy Fox on the side of looking at both sides. I don't know man, didn't like the way Wallace comes off in this interview...
I understand why people would be a little confused as to why a person who sold thousands of copies of Who Killed Kurt Cobain would seem to take the side of Courtney & Company somewhat but I was being a respectful "host" and allowing him to speak his mind.
I watched lee on public access in seattle at the time..he is the original guy who put this theory out there, with all the info, for free..
I think maybe it's important to say that although I respect Mr. Wallace's opinions and statements that doesn't mean I totally agree with them. A lot of our beliefs are shaped by our life experiences. I know how shady people can get and how long people can hold onto secrets because I've seen it firsthand. One of my best friends from school is serving a life sentence for murder. He was incarcerated for 12 years before he finally admitted to me that he was guilty. I used to spend the night at this person's house! We played Little League & Basketball together. We skateboarded together! Even though I now know he's 100% guilty I don't want to believe he was capable of something like that.
It's ok Chaz no worries 🔥
Exactly,every guilty person is someone’s son,daughter,sibling,parent,co worker,significant other or friend
I think in the uk version of Kurt and Courtney when el Duce says "Alan did it" it was bleeped out. I always wondered about that
Different libel laws in Britain....
Deeply thank for this series. Interesting debate here. Petition signed.
To get away with a murder you have to choose the right targets. Junkies including alcoholics are easy targets. Whose to believe a drunk or a druggie? Let's dismiss these substance abusers statements.
When someone admits to murder or even acknowledge to knowing evidence on a old crime. That shouldn't ever be laughed at as drink and drugs talking.
I'm glad there's no Courtney Love respect talk in this one. Totally the wrong crowd for that kinda talk.
I also wondered, does he even realise the channel he is giving his interview to? Or was it a naive attempt to convince all people watching this otherwise? Pathetic.
You are doing a great job interviewing.🤟🏻🥁
Great interview. He touches on how multiple investigators were researching this case at the same time and they interviewed "the colorful cast of characters". To me personally, it sounds like Allen bragged to El Duce as a buddy in an honest moment. I don't hear that over the course of dinner with Allen, that he firmly denied involvement. In fact there is no information provided about that interaction. Instead I hear that since he developed a career and had a hot rod, it couldn't be him. Later life success has nothing to do with earlier mischief. Then when asked for a definitive determination as to whether Allen did it or not, he avoids answering by switching fast to Dylan. Why did he stop researching? Dead end or he knows who dun it? Share that petition! We need the death certificate changed and to find truth.
Loving all this content 🤩
I've always believed he was murdered just by the amount of heroin in his system. Nobody could shoot up that much dope, then put their works away, pull a gun up and reach for the trigger when heroin overdoses don't get as far as removing the needle from their arm. My friend Nicole was found like that in 1996.
The gr8 actor Phillip Seymour Hoffman was found with around 50 bags of dope, needle under him and still tie off beside him kit not put away. At that time he was a addict for years. Alot longer than Kurt. He was a functioning addict. I believe he good a hot shot or Fentynal. I've seen so many on a regular dose bobbing head, can't talk, can't sit etc. I've known at least 10 family, friends that had a opiate habit. They had no cares about leaving spoons, qtips, syringes, bags around. Unless they stayed with other ppl who was not using. I don't believe and wish we did know what really happened. All this he was depressed, sad etc is BS. Look at any video and he's not sad at all. Smiles and laughs. Yes ppl can be different at home etc but after some time like any substance or mental issue ppl can't hide it forever. Some ppl snap, lose that thing they had to keep them alive but most there are signs. Lost a few veteran buddies that seemed ok that suddenly ended it all. But with us with pts it's always there.
With shity black tar , sure. With a tolerance like his the amount u would’ve needed would clog up the needle , prob no viens really left either
That seems to be the consensus amongst anyone with any habitual iv drug experience. I'm personally swayed against suicide by the physics-based impossibility of someone with Kurt's modest wingspan pulling the trigger. Oh that and who prepares to kill themselves with birdshot? Oh and the unclean hands of Lady Macbeth of it all, that Courtney can't help but wring about in years since.
I don't remember was his arm untied?
Wrong. A person with a high tolerance could shoot up an incredible amount of heroine. I've seen my cousin in bad shape and still functioned. Maybe not great but he did. He could've definitely did the dope and shot himself no problem.
@@stoodydoo you got to take in to account the method then the amount, mainline or skin popping. Intensity and timing can be based off that.
Awesome to see another post
Yeah, they'll keep coming until it's done.
@@AmericanSpyFox
As much as Wallace's bias adds to my frustration, I'm glad you did this interview. You're much more knowledgeable than Wallace.
@@NickNicometiagreed. He has far too many biases to ever make him a credible detective. He dismisses everything that doesn’t align with his world view and therefore will never be able to see between the lines. My other scepticism is the fact that he is from the industry. He had a radio show, was connected to the labels and it just leads me to believe he’s too entangled in the very industry, that’s clearly protecting Courtney, to himself be credible. It would explain the rampage of “respecting Courtney and all her talent” when the woman clearly has none. Well done to ASF, I appreciate your patience and composure throughout.
"Krist" AKA "Duff McAgan"
yep "Krist" did look a little bit like Duff at that meeting. maybe it was Halloween? lol
Mr Wallace gives me strange vibes for some reason. He seems very nervous. The voice is very shaky.
That’s exactly what I thought, I hadn’t noticed this in his previous interviews
He could have a medical condition, be a bit cold or nervous about talking about the subject. He often seems a bit shaky in the voice.
I felt the same thing. At first I thought he was slurring due to possible intoxication. But this makes more sense as max doesn’t seem like the type to use or drink.
Yeah. The more I listen to the parts that have been uploaded, the more I hear shakiness and possibly fear.
well he has a lot of contradicting himself to do. I mean a plumber would never kill any one - tick wrench off the list! max probably believes that bin laden was behind 911.
Well done. I am loving your interview with Max.
Keep ‘‘em coming brother! Awesome interview I appreciate you!
Charlie,you are a very good listener .My adhd could never let me do your job.
Ha!
Love seeing this channel grow and flourish over the years. Thank you for putting in the work to answer questions that have plagued, stumped and saddened our generation for decades. You're a standup guy Mr. Spy Fox.
These were definitely interesting dude, thanks. 🤘
Looking back on the Whole scenario, reading between the lines speaks volumes. Well done and thankyou ASF🌏💜
Just signed the petition!! Would be crazy to find out there was another set of hands involved in Kurt’s death. 🤙
Im telling you without a shadow of a doubt there WAS.
There were many sets...indeed
Richard Allen wrench that’s who
@@robjames8508that's been debunked and even on these videos with Max Wallace and in his book he says he is 99% confident Wrench did NOT.
Keep doing what you're doing man!! I hope so much attention is drawn, and with so many people behind this, who want answers, and justice, that this case is reopened (if closed) and find out what really happened... JUSTICE FOR KURT
Talk about Billy Corgan during this time period January 94-April 94.... He was in constant contact with Courtney. He was even on Joe Rogan, and said that he knows WAYYYYY too much stuff because he was there. Wonder what he meant by that?
Hey Spyfox great video. I was just wondering when are you gonna do a Live stream?
Epic interview. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Your dedication of passion is admirable.
Great Interview.
He said at the end, he believes that Dylan doesn't know who it did? That really shocks me! I always thought that Dylan was innocent, but surely, he knows who and what happened, right?
very likely what happened was kurt comes home - "cali" gives him a rophypnol laced rootbeer - kurt passes out - "cali" shoots kurt up with heroin - then shoots him with the shotgun.
He wasn't able to see the bigger picture from what I can tell.
I jist watched your River Phoenix video and it's one of the best videos I've seen about him. Are you still planning on making a part two? I sure hope so.
Great stuff 👏
@americanspyfox
Im now rewatching all the kurt stuff on your channel . I love what youve done and cintinue to do . Are there any other channels you can recommend on this topic?
Yeah the Allen Wrench bit seems plausible but still even though he might not have been involved with Kurt doesn`t mean that he wasn`t hired by Courtney later on to get rid of El Duce (after the Broomfield interview) as he was the last person seen with him while he was alive. He was a town drunk and was able to survive with his skills but suddenly when he is interviewed about the Cobain case then he manages to stumble upon a train. Allen left him there and this all still could be a coincidence but it feels like he was assisted with his train rendezvous.
I did ask if he thought Wrench had anything to do with Eldon's death. I believe he said no. But just because I'm listening doesn't mean I agree.
damn , im still learning so much about this case
Love it man
Always love all the videos around this topic. I think you were meant for this!
Courtney was paying their rent with Kurt's money. So actually Kurt bailed him out and Kurt paid his rent. This guy doesn't have a clue.
Need to check out the El Duce tapes
Great job
Love the compliments Max gave you! Job well done!
I'm from Australia 🐨🇦🇺. I stumbled upon your channel, about a month ago. I'm glad that I found your channel, as I totally love your content and think that you are a great journalist, who does some great work. Keep those stories coming. As I'll be here waiting for them. Much love ❤️🦋
Sign the petition hun! luv from NZ❤
Avoid ASF like the plague. So much misinformation and lies
@@ceilidhferguson1890 Do you think another petition is gonna magically make the evidence supporting the official verdict disappear?
@@90sArchive I don't believe in magic, I believe in truth!
@@ceilidhferguson1890 So you believe Kurt shot himself, gotcha
I read Mark Lanegan's book & he wrote that he believes Kurt killed himself ! But he was also on the Courtney Love gravy train .. but he hates her too ! Also Dave & Krist believe he did it .. I don't , I'm with Dylan & y'all ! Cheers , keep digging !
Love was paying some of his rehab bills. In my opinion it's to keep Kurts friends on her side, not an act of charity. What other charitable work or donations has she done since 94 that suggests she's a philanthropist ?
@@jasonladd6400 CL has a motive for every move she makes.
@jasonladd6400 : Didn't she pay for Cali's "rehab" expenses the day before Kurt was found murdered (he was never questioned by PD). This also included airline tickets for him & his girlfriend (how convenient). She also obviously paid off the PD, Eric & (Dylan?) with Kurt's hard earned money (as if she earned it). 😧
It would be interesting to see some of Kurt's personal friends interviewed here. Many have publicly and/or privately expressed questions and suspicions. Someone like John Purkey would be great.
@@jasonladd6400 I'm not suggesting philanthropy, but she did save Patty Schemel from homelessness. Note that Patty takes great offense at anyone suggesting anything other than the official story of Kurt's death (and probably Kristen's as well).
A 'shootinng gallery' is usually an abandoned building and shoot Heroin...everyone everywhere..A flop house...
ASF! You da man!
Wallace seems to let his own opinion, or assumptions lead him, instead of going in objectively.. He does have some biases & kind of close minded about some things. & smug & arrogant at times. Doesn't think he means to be, but definitely seems to be a lil full of himself, js. ...does Wrench own the plumbing company or just your everyday plumber? $100k/ year is a lot of money for a plumber in 1994, Im sure there were some out there that did make money like that, but unless he owned the business I call bs..I have 2 plumbers in my family & they never came close to $100k/ year haha..
Gross. I’m so glad you’re smart. I appreciate EVERYTHING you’ve put in to making sure you show up straight up every time receipts!! Thank you! I’m late to the table, it’s profound thank you.
Allen wrench never told el duce he did it, el duce said he left offerr on the table after allen over heard him talking on the phone about it to courtney 27:33
THANKS BUDDY 💙🌺
What about the stuff said by El Duche's roommate I think it was saying Allen was mad at him, and he was scared. Then Allen was the last person seen with him. Still not 100% convinced that he didn't do it.
Oh...he was really cool this video lol it's just strange whenever somebody praises courtney...so that was definitely confusing yesterday
Idk how?? Idk why we're still wondering who,what, where,when!? Sometimes I really wonder about the police, judicial system, etc... How did this much time pass,and still nothing!?!? This is,and always has been, b*llsh*t!!
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the story of Allen wrench...
One thing knowone really talks about in this case was the discovery of the body by the electrician.i think that someone knew kurt was dead and they set up the electrician to find the body.
Oh definitely.
Courtney love
You should of asked him what Dylan Carlson thinks about exactly what happened that night.
should *have
Thanks
I lived down street I knew Kurt and his last nanny from LA Nanny I have alot of input .. .. In waiting for the first Interview
I used to send demo tapes to Cali when he was working for Capital records. He was really into our music back then. And then the Kurt & Courtney film was released and the very next day that I tried to reach Cali, the label told me that they had no record of him ever working there. Spooky?
What was Richard saying to Duff? I truly believe that Eldon knew he was going to die the minute he mentioned Alan Wrench doing the hit. He just hoped that maybe Alan wouldn't be upset about it or wouldn't know. I think Alan always uses the same MO (if he has ever killed anyone) where he will forego bringing a gun when there is already one sitting in a closet right there on the property with the finger prints of his mark right on them. Same thing happened with poor Eldon. Alan convinced him that there was nothing to worry about. He drove him out to the bar except they took a little stop on the way..at the RR tracks and knocked Eldon out. Then he let the train do the rest. We can't prove that Alan did it but we can prove that it's highly likely Kurt had a target on him. It's frustrating to hear him say that Eldon had no ability to tell or discern truth when he passed both polygraphs. Did he wander off in his thinking and contradict himself? That's usually how you can tell. The test person didn't think so. Dylan didn't do it? He know this how? In the comments someone said that Dylan had told someone he was taking Frances away. Yes, that's heresy. But we know that he dated CL. We know he was there. What if him and Alan were BOTH there? What if Alan told Carlson to go get the bullets so it looked like he was never there? Everyone else that was there were just part of the scenery as far as I can tell. They know something but not everything.
Big props American Spy Fox....
Well , Max got ASF hook line and sinker. Just like he was suppose to. I'm kidding , God knows but I'm not believing a word out of Max's mouth
lol. I'm just listening and letting the man talk. I never said I agree.
how can I contact you for a huge layup?
Listening to this interview with Max Wallace is a waste of time!
He thinks the illuminati don’t exist???
Lol, Papacy made that up. Are you retarded???
Fun fact.... lol Allen wrench is a plumber
@blaineclymire4765 :
I was thinking, "wouldn't Allen Wrench be concerned about what his customers would think of him admitting to being the murderer of Kurt Cobain?" I think he'd lose most of them if this is true. Obviously it's not. But I think it might be possible he murdered Eldon, but anyone could've been hired to "take him out for opening up his big mouth". That he died right after his confession to Nick Broomfield & then Hard Copy is no coincidence that he ended up dead before he could do anymore damage. Courtney's most definitely behind it because that's the kind of person she is & that's the kind of thugs she associates with.
Cali doesn’t financially need it. Motive wise, different story.
Being from a wealthy family only further endears me to his possible complicity. Unearned money and expectation without the pride of personal accomplishment to stand strong under is a gilded noose.
@@maebandy i like how you put that.
ASF love the series so far. I've read his book with Ian many times. Idk why he's sounding like CL other lap dog Cross. His book says some strong statements that he's shying away from. He says in 1st Allen was last person to see Eldon. He dropped him off at Liquor store. Says he has no idea what happened but shows them tge exact spot he was killed. Was Eldon tested for CL date rap☆ drug or any like it? I, being a Alcoholic that functioned for a decade on enuff booze to kill some ppl, can say it's not a miracle he didn't die sooner. As with any substance we get a tolerance and we learn to do just fine on a BAC level that anyone else who's not would die, be drunk easily or drive and crash etc. I was at most ppl die level after years of starting my day with coffee and diesel 190 proof.
My question is this, I've debated this for decades now Was kurt using until his death? I read in previous video that he used while on last tour. Other bands and his other mates said he drank water and was not effed up. Going with not using during last tour is a big chunk of why I've always said no way he pulled trigger. He was clean during Rome from opiates, clean in rehab. The counsellor said he didn't have a death wish, slim moon said he expected kurt to look like hell, he didnt. Etc. I know kurt was on a MAT drug at 1 point like subutex and shot up with bupernorphine by wife with codine, benedryl, xanax type drug etc. That would explain his not looking like hell. So if he was clean, on a MAT drug, it lasts 72 hrs half life so it'd take almost a week to be able to take black tar to get the effect. Ppl have died doing this as the Mu receptors are full of Subutex and thus can't be filled by any other opiates. So if he had that in rehab he could've taken a pound of dope and not felt it at all. He'd still OD and die but not feeling that rush and the high ppl chase using dope. So what's the point? Like taking the alcohol drug and drinking but u throw up and can't get drunk. I'd love to know what was in that syringe in Cali room with masking tape wrapped around it in their book.
Valid questions, good points about Deuce and tolerance. What is diesel 190 proof, doesn't sound climate friendly. Even people with overly sensitized adrenal systems are leveled out to more "normal" baselines with a depressant like alcohol than messed up by it. Especially people who were raised in chaos as children. Deuce fits that profile. Wrench seems like he'd just have sociopathic and narcisstic attraction to CL, a wealthy man that feels deserving of notice but people still describe as a plumber...a poor little poor girl from a rich but unaccepting family?
I personally don't believe Eldon Hoke's death was an accident. He'd walked that route home hundreds if not thousands of times. I was a drunk for many years and I agree that over time a person does learn to function even when they're wasted. I recall numerous times in my young life when my friends and I'd be wasted and pile into a car. Everyone would always want me to drive because I functioned best under the influence even though I'd drank way more than them. Not proud of this as I don't drink anymore and wish I'd have stopped sooner in life.... Just saying.
@@AmericanSpyFox Thank u for your thoughts. I don't believe it either. Like u said he made that trip many times. Since Allen was his ride to the store I believe he had a hand in his finds death. How else would he know the exact spot where he died if not there? When hit by a train it drags the body and tissue for many football fields. Unless his head was over track just so, placed that way after Idk maybe a Courtney roofie spiked drink.
I'm not proud of my lifestyle those 16 years but I'm proud and thankful I never hurt another from my selfish choices. Nobody as a kid says I wanna be a drunk, junkie when I grow up. In my family everyone drank. It seems normal when all have a drink in their hands every get together. I didn't ask to go to church and be abused by a youth leader. That was this that lead to my drunk lifestyle. Added on by divorced parents, my own divorce etc. Why we must deal with those things to get sober and clean and be great parents and break the cyle. Usually anybody who has a substance issue has parents, family that has those issues.
I remember many times car surfing, drag racing, winter fukkery in machines with wheels that never ended bad. I don't believe in God but I do believe that our lives have meaning and some are meant for more than a young death. Also luck plays a part. U can wrestle a alligator many times but 1 time he will get the best of you. Like playing with fire. U will get burned if u tempt fate enough. Why did 50 get shot 9 times and live and 2pac shot less and didnt?
I'm glad we've made the choice to live life with our best selves. I've known drunks that lived to their 70s with no bad things happen. Also know of HS kids that drink a 6 pack and sombody dies. It's no way to live. I have hope that anybody can change if they REALLY want to and put forth the effort to do so without accepting failure. If I can do it anybody can. After being so low the only way to go is up. Hopefully ppl don't harm others getting there. All we can do is the best we can. Alcohol can be bought about anywhere and causes more domestic, death, DUI etc than all others combined. Most crimes have alcohol in them than not. Ppl get mean when drinking.
I've still cannot find where Dylan was Kurt's first fan. I responded on another video about this. Olympia '89 is the earliest I see them meeting
They were fans of one another. I played in experimental stoner rock bands.. Kurt was a fan of that type of music. Earth were one of the OGs. You can hear the sludge influence on the bleach album. They were legit friends on the same wavelength.
@@marsoblivi0n945 I know they were. But Dylan being Kurt's first fan and first to recognize his talents keeps being brought up by Mr Fox. I see nowhere that they met before 1989. Kurt had been active for awhile before then. I cannot find anything to back that claim up.
I have mixed feelings about Mr Wallace. I gave it a thought after a while and I think I know what he is trying to do. He is dropping proofs for us (Patty Schemel walking CL's dogs) at the same time protecting himself by saying that CL is a great musician. Very smart.
He's an ignoramus.
Have you even read Love and Death?
@@Cloud007. why this question?
Watch the el Duce interview that was just released. Also there is a video of Duce panhandling on Hollywood Blvd the week he died floating around. I like the mentors
One thing no ones mention is Mark Lanegan's book
Kinda confused if I signed the petition because it wanted me to go thru the steps but I stopped at sign ten petitions so idk 🤷
Geez, why does guy sound so damn nervous??🤔 This guy is a sketch, on drugs, or guilty of something. I saw him in that docu and he wasn't all wound up like this..
24:45 Best part
Lol was akward hearing him explain what a shooting gallery was haha oh man I haven’t heard that term in 10 years 😅 all bad
This guy writing off wrench as a suspect because he's a plumber? Ridiculous. Duce actually knew him very very well. He knew that he indeed was not in the money until right after the hit.
CL may not have paid allen wrench to kill Kurt but couldve paid him to kill el duce. Since Allen was the last to see him, and furious, why is it hard to believe Allen killed him?
Googled this fella after my radar went off. This guy is a jewish NYT writer who writes about the holocaust and racism in hockey in his spare time. I won't be absorbing anymore of his content.
Looks like someone’s a little salty that they’re not their gods chosen one :)
I still think Dylan Carlson had something to do with it. & I still believe el Duce.
No one knows 100% for sure but Dylan was very strung out at the time of Kurt's death. If you've ever been around someone who is strung out, they're very unaware of their surroundings unless it has something to do with getting high.
I feel like if anyone were to have the music rights it would be the 2 other people in the band.
Perfectly plausible that he got drunk and walks in front of an f-ing train he says? Wow..what a thinker this guy is..
Great video by the way
I would sign your petition but I'm french so I guess that only americans signatures matters on that. But if I was I'd already signed it
sign it anyway, I'm Polish and I signed it.
You can sign 4 sure!! I'm a New Zealander and have signed and my sister's in Australia and signed 2!! Definitely sign! every signature is a step closer🤘 Justice 4 Kurt!!
@@ceilidhferguson1890 oh okay, that's great 😁 thanks for telling me.
I wasn't sure, now I know 😉
I really hope this can do justice for him 🙏
@@lanovia3838 So you're from Europe like me and you signed it. Okay thanks for your answer 😉
I think max has had coirtney claws on him behind aecenns good job charles must been hard
Earth is better than Nirvana
He's all about facts right? Yet he unequivocally says Allen Wrench didn't do it and is telling tall tales, based on what facts? You can't say you're all about facts and then write off potential suspects based on no facts.
Just the usual Gargamel doing his Gargamel things.. Wasn´t cool enough to manipulate Rap at that time so he got placed to do that..
So they say Allen and Dylan didn’t do it, but with no explanation as to why they think that?
Ask Pat. He knows everything
Facts how come nobody tries to talk to Pat? He’s chill and not weird like Dave and Krist
Shooting gallery is just the dealers Appartment. He don’t know anything about how drugs work
God Bless Kurt x
"There's this whole circle being financed by Courtney" Kurt* lets be real.
I'm brazilian and I personally know the journalist that he talks about.
If Kurt was in the process of divorcing Courtney, and possibly in a relationship with Kristen, (whom may have been the other female the 2nd plane ticket was for) Why .................if he did write the suicide note why would he end it with 'I love you, I love you' when he clearly didn't. Why did Courtney have practice handwriting sheets replicating Kurt's own hand writing ..? Kurt was also trying to remove Courtney from his Will ...but with him dead she would still gain Millions ...motive speaks for its self ...also Dylan seemed like a shitty friend who seems to know more than he let on and was also silenced by Courtney (who also supplied his H) ... and gave some the moment before Tom Grants meeting - seems more than a coincidence. 🤔
Kris Novaselic cambio su vida y Dave se hizo más intenso admitiendo el suicidio algo está mal aquí y un día el mundo se enterará de la verdad, pobre de Kurt!!!
13:00 Where are they now?
I would LOVE to see
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Who Dey
Love the grunge girls miss the 90s