Videos like this is what keeps me passionate about the martial arts. What type of martial art content do you guys look for when searching for inspiration? Let me know/leave any UA-cam links below.
@@FightCommentary I like that hook because the chamber looks like a low kick. We weren’t allowed to kick legs, but I knew he was an MMA fighter, so I would try to get him to check or defend a round kick and then go around the guard with a hook
@@zupremo9141 that’s true, and totally fair, this isn’t my go-to option, this is just a thing I sprinkle in to be sneaky, but he didn’t defend my first hook kick so I did the fake low +hook twice that match. I understand basics win fights, and I spend the most time on fundamentals, but competitive fighting is for entertainment, so I look for opportunities to do things that you may not see every day. I was really embarrassingly slow that match but I hope it was at least fun to watch
@@FightCommentarysadly I've never participated in such events with sparring other stiles and schools, I don't know much about it. But I sent your invitation to our more experienced guys.
@@maxisalas5249 yeah, the only wing chun related things the Wing Chun practitioner did was use some of the WC concepts, which is fine, i guess, as the most important part of most Chinese martial arts is the concepts Now then, he ddi use them in a poor manner
5:16 yup, a bunch of people think Wing Chun should look like the movies, while the movies were made to look as close to the basic exercises and forms as possible, just against an opponent. The problem is that when applied, those exercises and techniques from the forms look completely different due to all of the chaos of the fight and all of the adaptations you need to do to fit the angles and position of your opponent, so imagining that a Wing Chun fighter should fight like that is pretty much as silly as imagining that a boxer should fight the same way they use a speed bag, or that a TKD fighter should fight the same way they do tricking
@@LeyvatenLoop Funny that now Wing Chun has a reputation for being flashy and impractical. For the longest time the consensus was that it's too brutish and ugly for the screen! Don't get me wrong, the Yip Man movies, especially the first, were great. Donnie Yen is awesome, and you can tell the choreography had input from someone with a deep understanding of the system. Unsurprisingly, it's also heavily stylized. It was meant to entertain audiences, honor a legend and pique interest in the system, not become the standard to judge by.
It kind of looks like the karate guys have been trained in a point fighting style of sparring/fighting. They appear to be trained in single blows, instead of continuous contact. The karate guy in red shorts appears to have a little more experience in this format. Great video with some real world confrontations. Thanks jerry.
The hook is at the end of the third form of Wing Chun. Everything in third form isn't really used too much. Really cool to see some Wing Chun that is working and isn't cringy
@@Adjustmentxdisorderthat’s the beauty (and also it’s curse) of WC, the moves are meant to be abstract to allow different interpretations and applications but it depends on the practitioner to make it happen
The first WC guy really does a great job stuffing and keeping up near constant forward pressure, but the poor Karate guy just can’t get in because the WC guy either stuffs or counter strikes his closing the distance, the following karatekas put up a good fight but the WC guys were really good!
No, it’s because he’s a complete novice judging by his reactions. I do Muay Thai but I know wing chun could never overpower karate.. it’s not even about the style being weaker, it’s just not the nature of wing chun. Regardless, karate guys should have better conditioning which would have made a lot of the bum rushes useless
Not sure about the Karate guy, but the Wing Chun dude is a Russian member of IWCO (international Wing Chun organization) which has over 100 schools in 18 countries. These guys are known for sparring heavily, and there is a full contact competition every year in Russia . The competition is limited to WC practitioners though. I didn't know they sparred against other styles.
@@FightCommentary hey mate. Great work with your UA-cam channel,keep it up and i hope it's rewarding. The ceiling at the back of the room.away from the camera seemed to have had a water leak and the panels are all warped and not fitting snug. Danger danger. Let's just say I would be sparring more near the camera if I was there lol
Thanks for sharing this fantastic footage! I always love your enthusiasm. You've ended up talking about wing chun so much over the years that I wish you'd dedicate some time to training or at least talking with practitioners who actually spar. You've obviously developed contacts, and there are plenty of schools in your area (can't attest to their quality though). It needn't have taken you 8 years of reading UA-cam comments to learn that wing chun has hooks
A great number of Karate styles and school do no pressure testing at all, this is most likely one of those, so this seems to be pressure tested Wing chun vs. non tested Karate, If Wing chun'ers start sparring more and more they might get many good things out of their training and incorporate some from elsewhere. Much like Bruce Lee's philosophy.
He is one of the few that actually is using the WC concept of continuous forward linear pressure. You're conceptually not supposed to back off in WC and sidesteps are conceptually pivots, to encouraging continuous forward pressure. It's nice to see concepts working when one trains properly (by actually sparring trained opponents).
I agree but this guys needs to work on his hand techniques a bit. Pls tell me that i'm not the only one that can see how a decent practitioner of Muay Thai, Kickboxing or Boxing would easily deal with those hand techniques 😭😭
@jestfullgremblim8002 dunno. It was light sparring with protective gears. When I do light sparring I change my techniques a bit to loose power as I don't want to really hurt my partner. We should see them in actual mma matches to really see their potential. I do agree that somehow the hands are bit floppy. But as I said above it was light sparring.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 I don't disagree with you, but from a logical standpoint, it can also be said that a decent practitioner of WC can easily deal with some random MT or KB practitioner. From a statistical standpoint, you'd be right because most traditional martial arts do not train for the ring and it attracts certain delusional people. It's evolving though. There was a time when BJJ was thought to be the answer, but constant exposure in combat sports reduced its effectiveness. Karate used to be laughed in the early days, but is getting respected or is respected. Let the martial arts evolve. I believe even aikido when trained properly has its place in mma. I've seen taiji practitioners throw wrestlers around. WC is really hard to make it work because the sweet spot is just beyond grappling range for sticky hands trapping and it doesn't work at all when a striker snipes from a distance. Hence, it needs to be aggressive and stick to the opponent.
This was amazing to watch! One guy with Wing chun just steamrolled everyone! His clinch game was on point. Idk about the rules but now that he took wing chun from the logical extension of Using angles (Hooks) and mastering the Clinch ... To now follow up on the throws with a pin. I think only a karate guy i beleive in red shorts got a pin when tooken down
One thing I noticed is that they keep their gate open, which is fine, but Wing Chun usually keeps their lead leg angled a bit so that a straight kick to the groin is diverted off the knee.
For all the "wing chun is made to help small people win fights" talk, it sure does seem to help an aggressive, forward pressure style when you have a height and weight advantage, getting walked down by a chain punching russian tank seems like a nightmare to deal with!
This is the kind of video that warms my heart. My first serious martial art was Hung Gar kung fu, and even though I haven't gotten back to a Hung Gar dojo in 10 years (my master stopped giving classes due to personal reasons), it is still dear to me and part of my base as a fighter, and it is sad to see there is 90% of fake "masters" representing the entirety of the kung fu scene on the internet, when there is actually legit and dedicated practitioners, even in Wing Chun. Sure, he might not be one of the best fighters in the world, but we need to show more of the ones that go past the flashy moves and arrogant egos, and show the ones that actually took the hard training and have hard sparring. I am sure there is also training in Sanda involved, in my Hung Gar days this was the ruleset where the hard sparring took place. At least how I learned it, there is traditional training, moves and strikes that are trained as part of the traditional learning of the art, and then there is the combat training, mostly in Sanda, where you apply moves in a realistic combat situation. Wing Chun dude is probably in a similar philosophy, which is great practice for a Kung Fu practitioner. I hope we see more legit Kung Fu fighters being shown to the world!
Indeed very good use of wing chun. Rushing in, mostly straight shots, kicking low to mix up with the punches, very good trapping, clinch work, and the ocassional hook to throw the oponent off. Textbook use of the style. There's a very good bong sao at 5:57 catching a powerfull punch. What you say about people basing wing chun off of Donnie Yen's performance in Ip Man is sadly true, but I couldn't help to notice at 9:21 how the guy is kicking low while retaining control high with his arms, to set up a punch as he lands with the kicking leg. He is literally doing a part of the wooden dummy form on his oponent, like Ip man at the end of the first movie against the karateka, and that is rad as f***.
Seems like the trick to making WC work is forward pressure and distance management, pressure testing is definitely a must with anything, it looks like from what I've seen a good portion WC would be good to have on the ground too it looks similar to things I've done in Jiu-Jitsu especially when strikes are allowed
Awesome vid. these wing chun guys really know how to do it. Only thing id have liked to see is some trapping. But, all the Wing Chun guys offense was so good, I think the karate guys just retreated to regroup, so there wasnt a ton of chances for trapping because the karate guys werent doing a lot of counter striking. You can still trap arms even if youre not defending, in order to create openings for different attacks. but I think these guys were landing enough head shots without forcing openings that they didnt see a need perhaps. either way, great stuff all around. the karate guys werent bad either, but the wing chun guys definitely carried the day.
Great video and love to see the Wing Chun. What do you think of WC blocking techniques? I remember having to practise them a lot when i learned it 30 years ago but i dont see it much here.
I agree. Especially first Karate guy showed some point fighting habits, like no follow ups, pulled punches etc. I guess he was less experienced as seen by a lack of feeling of distance and lack of continued fighting. The others seemed a bit more experienced, using combinations and feints, also counters. What I missed in general were body punches and head kicks from both sides. It was very separated afa punches to the head, kicks to the center/lower body. Coinciding with pretty high stances most of the times.
Lots of WC schools teach the chain punch wrong these days. There is no loop in it. The punching hand moves exactly like the regular WC punch. The bottom hand rotates slightly and drops slightly to allow the punching hand to move in a straight line.
I think one of the issues is there is Wing Chun, and then there is Wing Chun. And of course there is Wing Tsun, and there is Ving Tsun. Colloquially people tend to believe it’s all the same thing, but there are variations in lineage and era. The VT stuff for example comes from that period in the late 1960s coinciding with the formation of the VT Athletic Association, where teaching was generally far more structured for the modern world, the principles had been carved into stone in the Kuen Kuit. A question emerges in terms of how well the Sifu understood the principles? What was his focus? And then what was passed down. I’d look at this and say “yes it’s wing chun” - it’s recognisable as wing chun. But it doesn’t necessarily exemplify the details that I would focus on - most notably Doi Yeng - facing the opponent with one’s centreline.
0:50 That's the closest we will get of how the fight of Bruce Lee against Yoichi Nakachi went down. Since it lasted 11 seconds, we know all the details told by Jesse Glover and Ed Hart. Bruce parried a front kick and followed chain punches next.
@@FightCommentary No, it happened early 1960s on a Tennis court YMCA Seattle... Yoichi was a 2 degree black belt who constantly challenged Bruce in the University
@@FightCommentary Bruce and him never spoke about the event, we know this fight from his students and Bruce's students who were present that night, they were interviewed by John Little who made a book about Bruce's real fights
@@FightCommentaryYoichi Nakachi was a competitive Judoka, and a 2nd degree black belt in Karate. He was physically larger than Bruce and was known as a Dojo stormer. This fight happened in Seattle 1961 or 1962, way before Bruce was doing movies. And for those haters that claim Bruce never fought a grappler or skilled striker... Nakachi was a standout Judoka AND Karateka. Bruce destroyed him in about 13 seconds. Ed Hart (eyewitness) got nervous because the KO was so bad, he thought Nakachi was dead at first lol.
These guys have great training, they’re not trying to “look” like wing chun but are applying the principles very well. Wing Chun is a principle based art, open ended in its application. Too many people want to see training drills in fights rather than the side effects of the drills (the whole point of drills) which are less evident to the untrained eye.
Is the karate fighter a white belt with little sparring experience? I don't think he threw a single right reverse punch after winging it with the left lead hand.
Having hook(s), upper cut(s) or not, depending on schools. However, it still needs to go back to What WC is, and what are WC's principles. If a school saw some moves are prevailing in current martial arts/ combat sport, then add it into its WC system and said 'Oh, WC also has sth sth.' However, that move contradicts WC principles, such as the centre-line principle; can the final product still be called WC? In other words, imagine a Kali teacher saw guns were so cool one day, so he decided to add shooting into his system and still call it Kali.
Totally absent from this comment section is the " wingchun sucks" crowd. Basically the last opponent in red shorts boxed and still got taken down. Whose gonna man up and say " looks like we were wrong". There's a video " wingchun hook punch" where it is demonstrated its not as arcing as a choy li fut or boxer punch. Sort of a hybrid between a straight punch and a hook.
I had to block one of them just now. The issue with some of these guys is they immediately make this channel political by bringing up non martial arts related issues that can only get this channel in trouble (stuff related to rac3, gender etc). So to protect this channel, I have to patrol the comments like a freaking rat. Still breaks my heart sometimes, but I just remember to focus on the big picture and think about the people who watch this channel because of the love for martial arts.
The no punching to the head rule of karate is turning into their weakness. They don't punch the head in kyokushin so they're not used to defending against it. Only those who have added boxing can put up a fight.
@@FightCommentary Three Wing Chun forms are Siu Nim Tao = 小念头 Chum Kiu = 寻桥 Biu Jee = 標指 However Wing Chun terminologies are primarily Cantonese (or Cantonese-to-English), so mandarin stuffs are actually (slightly) more difficult to come by.
The wing chun guy has obviously more fighting experience than the karate guys. It seems like the wing chun guy has also done some boxing besides Wing chun, it is a mix of two or even three different styles. BTW style doesn't matter much, what matters is experience. Nice video.
wing chun is played by grudging from all sides with the alignement, and the hands is where the ribs are at you need space and patience too and lightness and heavyness in slow motion start by tacking out the trap tricks.
The Karate guys is everything wrong with modern Karate in some countries. Karate is a superior martial arts if done the way is supposed to be done with the jiu jitsu and knees and elbows.
Saying karate is "a superior martial art" if done as you suggest is just another claim based on prejudice. Many styles can be highly effective if they fit the fighter and come from comprehensive training that includes testing skills with free sparring. I respect some styles more than others, but I know someone with the right frame of mind and training can be very effective with a style I have less respect for.
For me, the performance of the Wing Chun practitioners exceeded expectations because, unfortunately, they don't spar enough to make it work under stress.
Hooks and upper cut are taught in two of the forms and are used very close range. WC is best at close range or take down range (clinch if you like). Also, there is no retreating in WC. It’s all angles and forward stepping…this looks again like Donald Mak’s Russian school…
I guess Xu Haidong was a good thing. He basically removed all these "Flower dancing Kung Fu" schools and instead made would be practioners to carefully choose their Sifu if they are "real deal".
Shows that a bad guard and low punching skills crumble under forward pressure like used in WC A good guard and slightly more accurate punching skills negates the forward pressure
True. You will need more than that if you want to make Wing Chun work against a decent opponent. As Wing Chun comes from White Crane, i can tell that it was supposed to be grapoling heavy amd use weapons if available, so one could say that nowdays, people are not practicing the whole art, just like Karate practitioners
@@jestfullgremblim8002 saying a striking art is more effective with grappling and weapons is a bit of an excuse people use I find, I agree its true though so I get what you mean, but thats the same for any striking art so it doesnt help much WC works best when its doing two things, breaking through guards with forward pressure and its block+counter strike combos boxing has those kinds of combos where you block and counter as soon as you feel the hit on your guard so its know to be very effective, you just need to train it right. The advantage of the boxing block counter is that they protect their chin while blocking, where as WC does not, the chin is wide open for KO as the blocks are being performed. This is also why you see them get hit while they move forwards often too, they walk their chin right onto a waiting counter shot like a check hook Its ok for low level attacks but as soon as you fight trained people that can feint then its super dangerous to bock in WC because if you miss time it you give them a free shot at the chin. This is pretty much why you dont see WC work at pro level
@@driver3899 i understand and agree with what you are saying (you are definitely knowledgeable on this) BUT there is something that i would like to fix in there: Wing Chun was a weapon martial art at first, just like Karate, Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Xing Yi quan and White Crane Style Kung Fu. All of those just got transformed into unarmed styles because people misunderstood them or for other reasons (like Karate, whose weapons and grappling were removed on purpose because the Japanese wanted a unarmed striking style) Wing Chun used to have takedowns and most of it's "unarmed techniques" are actually weapon techniques. Just look at how you are supposed to used the Butterfly Sword in wing chun and you'll end up finding Pak Sao, Tan Sao, Bong Sao and all of those techniques again. When you see the weapon applications, the "Man Sao Wu Sao stance" suddently makes sense! (People almost never attack the face with knives, they want your body) also, all of those karate-like hand chops to the neck start making sense! And just like Taijiquan (A.K.A. Taichi), Xingyiquan, Baguazhang, Karate and some other styles. Wing Chun practitioners were supposed to use grappling if they were caught unarmed, and they could also use some of their weapon techniques while unarmed (which is what we see today as the main WC moves). The old practitioners of Taichi, Bagua and Xing Yi all did Shuai Jiao, which is basically Chinese Judo (in the sense that it has very similar techniques and concepts), and while i haven't really found any proof of the same being true for WC practitioners, we still know that WC comes from the Shaolin Temple where the animal styles are practiced, and if you didn't know, basically all of the animal styles are also Weapon based and grappling based while unarmed. Winh Chun comes from the White Crane style (just like a big part of Karate) and White Crane practitioners are, once again, supposed to do grappling (along with some striking, of course) when unarmed, so it's obvious that it's the same for Wing Chun, just like it is for Karate. When doing grappling, Tan Sao suddently becomes super useful, Jum Sao makes sense, the whole sticking to yoir opponent becomes easy and profitable, etc. Btw, Okinawan Karate masters/practitioners did not have Shuai Jiao, but instead they practiced "Tuidi" which is basically Okinawan wrestling. So yeah, that's why all of these martial arts were so good back then. They were practiced right You misunderstood me when i talked about weapons and grappling. Of course that every striking art becomes stronger when used with those, but that is not what i meant, i meant that Wing Chun was literally meant to be used like that and that most of it's tecniques are either grappling or weapon stuff
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Ah yeah I get your point better now, yes if it was weapon first then same ideas used for empty hand striking it will make the striking way less practical, I do kali arnis (stick fighting) and its strikes are amazing with a stick or knife but when you do them empty hand they are pretty garbage, better than nothing but only just. As for karate, I am no expert on its history but from what I remember it comes from old Japanese jujitsu which is what the samurai would use when weapons broke on the battlefield. That then broke off into karate (the striking part) and judo (the wrestling part) but I know Okinawan karate has its own separate history too In any case we can only judge the pros and cons of each style in the context of striking you will do in the modern day, and that means empty hand in civilian clothing, no weapons or armour. I think WC can be somewhat effective if trained right (pressure tested) and with its own limitations in mind. Just like any style, but the chin must be protected, if not by modifying its guard then by use of excellent lateral footwork, timing and distance management to stop punches especially when moving forwards and potentially walking into counter strikes. There are some similarities to the Thai long guard or "Dracula" guard and the outstretched hand of the WC guard so that could be work shopped into something quite functional, plus we know in boxing that hand trapping to pull apart someones guard and leave opening for strikes works well so thats already proven. Plus the grappling like you said, if that was emphasised then it might be pretty effective in clinch striking Just haven't seen anyone put all these things together into high level striking yet The vast majority of WC is not trained as a functional art (if you are not wearing a mouthguard in training then there is a good chance your not training in a functional way) so I expect that is the biggest hurdle for someone to overcome before they can become a high level striker using just WC techniques
One thing these guys use really well is their pushes and pulls. Hes never letting his opponent have good balances and just stream rolling them with pressure 😭 low key kinda mean
The day when Wing Chun guys stop standing with Pai Zhuang (hands out, turned up) will be a glorious day. You know you’re flat footed when you feel the need to jump forward to enter. And second, stop chain punching. All the necessary skills are there - they just don’t originate from those two bad habits. There is no chain punching. And it’s not for training muscles. It’s just for the idea of Replacement Theory. When one hand retreats, another one takes it’s place. Same concept of a bouncer keeping a hand on a guys chest or up near the pit of the throat, while he’s trying to manage the situation around him. No matter where he looks or what he does, he’s going to keep a hand there controlling center mast, in case you decide to do anything stupid. Lastly, centerline splits through the person in all directions / at each major angle. NOT just straight up the middle. If you do wing chun and wonder why looping / hooking punches keep catching you.. it’s because you focus too much on the limited idea of a center line. The front center line is just about protecting your vital organs. That’s it. It’s not the only line that’s important though. The shoulder line is important. Control a person’s shoulder line, you can stuff a lot of those outside punches that keep catching you over top of your guard. Literally ANY form of grappling… even Traditional Chinese will show you how to stuff those punches.
The karate fighters seem incapable of dealing with attacks at close range and clinching, overly dependent on kicks that are not combined or very effective, and generally inept at this type of hard sparring. The Wing Chun fighter is quite good, though he's not displaying that much technique we might associate with Wing Chun.(I studied Wing Chun for two years and had lighter sparring with Taekwondo students who were similarly unprepared for straight attacks and close fighting.) He's adapted Wing Chun principles very well to this type of free sparring. Overall, he's showing how Wing Chun can work effectively when confronted with those of other styles and just hard sparring or more chaotic fighting. The channel's narrator is both dishonest and insulting in comments about Donnie Yen not knowing Wing Chun when he made the Ip Man films. He had experience with many martial arts and trained in Wing Chun to portray Ip Man. Besides studying and training in Wing Chun, he delved into the history and philosophy of the style, consulted with Ip Chun, and became accomplished in a relatively short time because of his background and dedication. His technique was good, and he did an excellent job in those films. Of course, a film is a dramatic depiction with choreographed scenes, but Donnie Yen was more than convincing and faithful to Wing Chun techniques. So it's both dishonest and a cheap shot to fault him for not being adept in Wing Chun before preparing to play Ip Man.
In my old Sensei's Isshinryu Karate class, we studied all styles. I have over 50 seminar hours in hIndi Andi Gung Fu another 50 seminar hours in Tai Chi and another 200 seminar hours under Grand Master Advincula all on top of about 6000 hours of training under a 4th degree black belt. I am laughing at how bad these karate guys are.
I do shotokan Karate and honestly imo(correct me if I'm wrong) Shotokan Karate is only good at higher belts only ( black, brown and red), the lower belts would not be able to fight if they were put in an actual fight.
Beautiful sparring compared to the previous video. As seen here when in pressure testing we can often see Wing Chun practitioners resort to "Jeen Choi/Arrow punch (箭捶)" since it is one of the easiest to use long range punchs in Wing Chun's repertoire. Jeen Choi is basically JKD's straight lead punch. Bruce Lee likely took the technique and simply ran with it, building an entire martial arts around that punch. Common Wing Chun combo: ua-cam.com/video/SJB62jjqUnI/v-deo.html
Looks like the Wing Chun guys have been cross training to fill in the gaps....I trained Wing Chun with a bit of Judo and boxing, they blend together quite well. But it's basically MMA if there is cross training. Good Wing Chun school, wish more were like this. This is what happens when Wing Chun is trained properly...with or without cross training....great school!
You’ve been wrong about wing chun skills many times in the past. I told you there’s good footage out there. By the way, there’s another wing chun school vs karate school video out there that’s even better than this one! No head gear either! I think it’s in China or Japan. It’s definitely in an Asian country.
@@FightCommentary I’m gonna look for it now. I remember they took it down a while ago but I swear you’ll love it! If I can find it I’ll post it up here
That was ding hao! Ding hao got destroyed by Xu xiaodong in 2019. There are levels to these things. Still, it’s quite interesting that at ding hao’s level he could still take on the karate mcdojos 😂😂
Makes me feel so sad when i see people like that representing Wing Chun Its so much more than that I pet they are no more than Beginners Wing Chun is a form of Gung Fu And in Chinese Martial Arts You need to train you Body and Mind together So Sad , really so Sad to see it get watered down like this
I seriously seen much better figths in junior kickboxing for girl's and junior mma and also junior Muay Thai etc etc.. I'm tried to look for one perfect move which is the only moves that is counted in semi contact kickboxing which is stopped after each connecting combo or a perfect power move.. I'm pretty sure by those rules it would be a draw because it wasn't any perfect power moves or combinations... maybe someone else would score it differently anyways the video isn't over i hope they stopped effing around in the second half
@@FightCommentary sorry, I had answered but it seems my answer has not been posted. I do not practice Wing Chun or traditional karaté, but I maintain the first 2 guys lack technique. If it pleases you to compare styles, you can find some of my fights on my channel. Not all of them are online, but all the videos I have are, wins or losses. Be my guest.
@@FightCommentary red boat was the first system. It looks like boxing with Muay Thai clinch work and sweeps and throws. That was the first system. Then came Fujian Wing Chun. That was the second incarnation. Lastly came Hong Kong Wing Chun. For reasons I don't fully understand each incarnation of Wing Chun had less and less material... Look up Steve Smith and non-classical kung fu. That system contains red boat wing Chun. In fact Bruce Lee learned red boat in Seattle from his uncle fook yueng.. If you look at that system trapping leads into locks and throws. Anyways . Bruce Lee's main teacher was fook yueng. Bruce Lee learned red boat as it's a far more effective and complete system but he didn't teach it openly. It became his secret family lineage. You should have interviewed Jesse Glover who was one of Bruce Lee's top students and the best, he was also a gold medalist in judo at the Olympics. He passed away a couple years ago. Ed heart was a former professional boxer who was also one of Bruce Lee's students he's also dead. Both of them trained in red boat after Bruce Lee passed away. You might really want to interview Steve Smith. While he didn't train with Bruce he did train in red boat Wing Chun. He was personally trained by Bruce's uncle and he also trained heavily with Jesse glover. FYI non-classical kung fu is basically the name given to the secret material that was Bruce Lee's family lineage and he never desired it to be commercialized, it and he never desired it to be commercialized, it was secret only for the few people and he never desired it to be commercialized, it was also a name used to avoid lawsuits from the Bruce Lee foundation but that's another story. Non-classical kung fu in Seattle is the best system I have ever seen if we're talking about Wing Chun.
@@FightCommentary Also. Dude. Just wanted to say - thank you for uploading these fight and putting in the time. You really deserve way more recognition.
I know you said people who don't agree should leave the channel. Still, I'll risk this for a block :P What I saw in the first video seemed more like JKD than WC. I'm basing my opinion on the lack of square stance and the fencing move he uses to rapidly close the distance. On the other hand, the chain punches are more specific to WC. Offtopic PS: KFC can win some customers if it introduces Spicy Chicken Wing Chun. Whatever that would be.
Yep. I can agree with you. This school almost had JKD vibes esp because it looks like they’re sparring other styles. If you spar other styles, you’re going to change your own approach. It’s inevitable. All roads eventually lead to JKD or MMA 🤓 Great comment!
The JKD "fencing moves" is actually a Wing Chun technique called 逼步箭捶 or 箭捶 (Arrow punch). It is sort of a go-to technique for Wing Chun practitioner during sparring, even (especially) for beginners without a lot of sparring experience because it can be launched without fancy close-range trappings. ua-cam.com/video/CMS3Xcn862E/v-deo.html I always have a sneaking suspicion that Bruce Lee's JKD "inspired by fencing and stuffs" straight lead was simply tagged-on window dressings to advertise a core technique he already long knew and practiced.
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Videos like this is what keeps me passionate about the martial arts. What type of martial art content do you guys look for when searching for inspiration? Let me know/leave any UA-cam links below.
Thank you Jerry!
@@justingatcomb8966your Ura Mawashi Geri was on point!
@@FightCommentary I like that hook because the chamber looks like a low kick. We weren’t allowed to kick legs, but I knew he was an MMA fighter, so I would try to get him to check or defend a round kick and then go around the guard with a hook
Punch always wins because it is quicker and you all you need to do is move forward and the kick will never have enough force.
@@zupremo9141 that’s true, and totally fair, this isn’t my go-to option, this is just a thing I sprinkle in to be sneaky, but he didn’t defend my first hook kick so I did the fake low +hook twice that match. I understand basics win fights, and I spend the most time on fundamentals, but competitive fighting is for entertainment, so I look for opportunities to do things that you may not see every day. I was really embarrassingly slow that match but I hope it was at least fun to watch
Thank you for promoting our school, Jerry! For anyone interested, it's IWCO, international wing chun organization.
That’s your school! Wow! Does your coach speak English? If not, could I interview you?
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You guys rock Wing Chun! Badasses! 👊
@@FightCommentarysadly I've never participated in such events with sparring other stiles and schools, I don't know much about it. But I sent your invitation to our more experienced guys.
@@RomaYT999 именно таких не очень много. В Питере с ковидных времён межстилевых встреч не видела. Может, у москвичей что-то было, не знаю.
I love it when traditional style practitioners actually prove themselves and show that traditional techniques DO work when applied properly
I agree about Wing Chun and the other traditional styles work, but this still looks like bad kickboxing so i wouldn't use this video as example
''traditional style practitioners'', i didn't even see a technique of wc in this video, this was literally kick box vs karate.
@@maxisalas5249 yeah, the only wing chun related things the Wing Chun practitioner did was use some of the WC concepts, which is fine, i guess, as the most important part of most Chinese martial arts is the concepts
Now then, he ddi use them in a poor manner
5:16 yup, a bunch of people think Wing Chun should look like the movies, while the movies were made to look as close to the basic exercises and forms as possible, just against an opponent. The problem is that when applied, those exercises and techniques from the forms look completely different due to all of the chaos of the fight and all of the adaptations you need to do to fit the angles and position of your opponent, so imagining that a Wing Chun fighter should fight like that is pretty much as silly as imagining that a boxer should fight the same way they use a speed bag, or that a TKD fighter should fight the same way they do tricking
Bang on the money brother, it’s all about the application, not trying to look like ip man
@@LeyvatenLoop Funny that now Wing Chun has a reputation for being flashy and impractical. For the longest time the consensus was that it's too brutish and ugly for the screen! Don't get me wrong, the Yip Man movies, especially the first, were great. Donnie Yen is awesome, and you can tell the choreography had input from someone with a deep understanding of the system. Unsurprisingly, it's also heavily stylized. It was meant to entertain audiences, honor a legend and pique interest in the system, not become the standard to judge by.
I’m so proud of this, videos like these prove that wing chun is very viable if you pressure test and spar
It kind of looks like the karate guys have been trained in a point fighting style of sparring/fighting. They appear to be trained in single blows, instead of continuous contact. The karate guy in red shorts appears to have a little more experience in this format.
Great video with some real world confrontations. Thanks jerry.
He's not a Kyokushin fighter but a Chinese with Karate GI doesn't exist point Fight in Kyokushin are always full contact.
There was zero karate here even for point scoring.
That was awesome, now thats practical wing chun. Thanks for showing it to us
Glad you liked it
Wing Chun is really upgrading.
This is the closest example to the principles I've seen applied in a long time! Thx for the gem!
judging by how hyper aggressive the wingchun guy is, that school probably spars all the time
The hook is at the end of the third form of Wing Chun. Everything in third form isn't really used too much.
Really cool to see some Wing Chun that is working and isn't cringy
Third form it is!
Thanks. I'm learning Chum Kui at the moment. I haven't got to the third form, and was wondering when I'm going to do more work on the hook.
@pipappleyard3982 the double lan sau section of chumkiu can be interpreted as a hook aswell.
@@Adjustmentxdisorder I hadn't even thought of that! I could see that
@@Adjustmentxdisorderthat’s the beauty (and also it’s curse) of WC, the moves are meant to be abstract to allow different interpretations and applications but it depends on the practitioner to make it happen
Hi, just wanted to say I love your channel and your colorful commentary. It is fun to hear you calling the fight.
The most dangerous player here is that ceiling when it comes down.
Didn't notice
Lol
The first WC guy really does a great job stuffing and keeping up near constant forward pressure, but the poor Karate guy just can’t get in because the WC guy either stuffs or counter strikes his closing the distance, the following karatekas put up a good fight but the WC guys were really good!
No, it’s because he’s a complete novice judging by his reactions. I do Muay Thai but I know wing chun could never overpower karate.. it’s not even about the style being weaker, it’s just not the nature of wing chun. Regardless, karate guys should have better conditioning which would have made a lot of the bum rushes useless
@@somebodysson227 Wing Chun guys always win Karatekas on UA-cam and in life. When schools spar, wing chun practitioners always beat karatekas.
Not sure about the Karate guy, but the Wing Chun dude is a Russian member of IWCO (international Wing Chun organization) which has over 100 schools in 18 countries. These guys are known for sparring heavily, and there is a full contact competition every year in Russia . The competition is limited to WC practitioners though. I didn't know they sparred against other styles.
Very good info
In Moscow? Last time I checked, it was in Saint Petersburg and Sochi :)
@@anastasia_w Yes, you are correct. My bad. Should have specified "in Russia", rather than in Moscow alone.
If I were to try and learn some WC, I think I would either seek out an IWCO place or Alan Orr. They seem to have the right idea.
Nice. Sparring will improve both styles. But I was really worried about the ceiling falling down lol.
You're the second one to mention this. What did you notice that I didn't notice about the ceiling?
@@FightCommentary hey mate. Great work with your UA-cam channel,keep it up and i hope it's rewarding.
The ceiling at the back of the room.away from the camera seemed to have had a water leak and the panels are all warped and not fitting snug. Danger danger. Let's just say I would be sparring more near the camera if I was there lol
@@FightCommentaryright above the light near the karate ancestor wall shrine
Thanks for sharing this fantastic footage! I always love your enthusiasm. You've ended up talking about wing chun so much over the years that I wish you'd dedicate some time to training or at least talking with practitioners who actually spar. You've obviously developed contacts, and there are plenty of schools in your area (can't attest to their quality though). It needn't have taken you 8 years of reading UA-cam comments to learn that wing chun has hooks
Awesome matches, thx for uploading man
Glad you enjoyed
A great number of Karate styles and school do no pressure testing at all, this is most likely one of those, so this seems to be pressure tested Wing chun vs. non tested Karate, If Wing chun'ers start sparring more and more they might get many good things out of their training and incorporate some from elsewhere. Much like Bruce Lee's philosophy.
These Wing Chun guys are legit! I wouldn't want to face them with my limited experience!
Nice work. As a Sifu that teaches WC it’s always good to see people actually using it to attack Centerline and to use Forward Intent while doing so 💪
He is one of the few that actually is using the WC concept of continuous forward linear pressure. You're conceptually not supposed to back off in WC and sidesteps are conceptually pivots, to encouraging continuous forward pressure. It's nice to see concepts working when one trains properly (by actually sparring trained opponents).
I agree but this guys needs to work on his hand techniques a bit.
Pls tell me that i'm not the only one that can see how a decent practitioner of Muay Thai, Kickboxing or Boxing would easily deal with those hand techniques 😭😭
@jestfullgremblim8002 dunno. It was light sparring with protective gears. When I do light sparring I change my techniques a bit to loose power as I don't want to really hurt my partner. We should see them in actual mma matches to really see their potential. I do agree that somehow the hands are bit floppy. But as I said above it was light sparring.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 I don't disagree with you, but from a logical standpoint, it can also be said that a decent practitioner of WC can easily deal with some random MT or KB practitioner. From a statistical standpoint, you'd be right because most traditional martial arts do not train for the ring and it attracts certain delusional people. It's evolving though. There was a time when BJJ was thought to be the answer, but constant exposure in combat sports reduced its effectiveness. Karate used to be laughed in the early days, but is getting respected or is respected. Let the martial arts evolve. I believe even aikido when trained properly has its place in mma. I've seen taiji practitioners throw wrestlers around. WC is really hard to make it work because the sweet spot is just beyond grappling range for sticky hands trapping and it doesn't work at all when a striker snipes from a distance. Hence, it needs to be aggressive and stick to the opponent.
@@dogwink i agree!! I was right to think that you were knowledgeable!
This was amazing to watch! One guy with Wing chun just steamrolled everyone! His clinch game was on point.
Idk about the rules but now that he took wing chun from the logical extension of Using angles (Hooks) and mastering the Clinch ... To now follow up on the throws with a pin. I think only a karate guy i beleive in red shorts got a pin when tooken down
One thing I noticed is that they keep their gate open, which is fine, but Wing Chun usually keeps their lead leg angled a bit so that a straight kick to the groin is diverted off the knee.
That’s interesting!
For all the "wing chun is made to help small people win fights" talk, it sure does seem to help an aggressive, forward pressure style when you have a height and weight advantage, getting walked down by a chain punching russian tank seems like a nightmare to deal with!
This is the kind of video that warms my heart. My first serious martial art was Hung Gar kung fu, and even though I haven't gotten back to a Hung Gar dojo in 10 years (my master stopped giving classes due to personal reasons), it is still dear to me and part of my base as a fighter, and it is sad to see there is 90% of fake "masters" representing the entirety of the kung fu scene on the internet, when there is actually legit and dedicated practitioners, even in Wing Chun. Sure, he might not be one of the best fighters in the world, but we need to show more of the ones that go past the flashy moves and arrogant egos, and show the ones that actually took the hard training and have hard sparring.
I am sure there is also training in Sanda involved, in my Hung Gar days this was the ruleset where the hard sparring took place. At least how I learned it, there is traditional training, moves and strikes that are trained as part of the traditional learning of the art, and then there is the combat training, mostly in Sanda, where you apply moves in a realistic combat situation. Wing Chun dude is probably in a similar philosophy, which is great practice for a Kung Fu practitioner. I hope we see more legit Kung Fu fighters being shown to the world!
Can't lie, as a wing chun enjoyer this type of stuff makes me a little too excited😂
Love it!
I like how you pronounce every style and technique correctly.
Indeed very good use of wing chun. Rushing in, mostly straight shots, kicking low to mix up with the punches, very good trapping, clinch work, and the ocassional hook to throw the oponent off. Textbook use of the style.
There's a very good bong sao at 5:57 catching a powerfull punch.
What you say about people basing wing chun off of Donnie Yen's performance in Ip Man is sadly true, but I couldn't help to notice at 9:21 how the guy is kicking low while retaining control high with his arms, to set up a punch as he lands with the kicking leg. He is literally doing a part of the wooden dummy form on his oponent, like Ip man at the end of the first movie against the karateka, and that is rad as f***.
Seems like the trick to making WC work is forward pressure and distance management, pressure testing is definitely a must with anything, it looks like from what I've seen a good portion WC would be good to have on the ground too it looks similar to things I've done in Jiu-Jitsu especially when strikes are allowed
The Wing Chun team looks battle tested.
Good observation. I would suspect all these karate guys are 3 point tourney fighters.
Awesome vid. these wing chun guys really know how to do it. Only thing id have liked to see is some trapping. But, all the Wing Chun guys offense was so good, I think the karate guys just retreated to regroup, so there wasnt a ton of chances for trapping because the karate guys werent doing a lot of counter striking.
You can still trap arms even if youre not defending, in order to create openings for different attacks. but I think these guys were landing enough head shots without forcing openings that they didnt see a need perhaps.
either way, great stuff all around. the karate guys werent bad either, but the wing chun guys definitely carried the day.
Great video and love to see the Wing Chun. What do you think of WC blocking techniques? I remember having to practise them a lot when i learned it 30 years ago but i dont see it much here.
I agree. Especially first Karate guy showed some point fighting habits, like no follow ups, pulled punches etc. I guess he was less experienced as seen by a lack of feeling of distance and lack of continued fighting.
The others seemed a bit more experienced, using combinations and feints, also counters.
What I missed in general were body punches and head kicks from both sides.
It was very separated afa punches to the head, kicks to the center/lower body. Coinciding with pretty high stances most of the times.
Lots of WC schools teach the chain punch wrong these days. There is no loop in it. The punching hand moves exactly like the regular WC punch. The bottom hand rotates slightly and drops slightly to allow the punching hand to move in a straight line.
Do you know what style of Karate is practiced in that dojo?
Good stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it
I think one of the issues is there is Wing Chun, and then there is Wing Chun. And of course there is Wing Tsun, and there is Ving Tsun. Colloquially people tend to believe it’s all the same thing, but there are variations in lineage and era. The VT stuff for example comes from that period in the late 1960s coinciding with the formation of the VT Athletic Association, where teaching was generally far more structured for the modern world, the principles had been carved into stone in the Kuen Kuit. A question emerges in terms of how well the Sifu understood the principles? What was his focus? And then what was passed down. I’d look at this and say “yes it’s wing chun” - it’s recognisable as wing chun. But it doesn’t necessarily exemplify the details that I would focus on - most notably Doi Yeng - facing the opponent with one’s centreline.
0:50 That's the closest we will get of how the fight of Bruce Lee against Yoichi Nakachi went down.
Since it lasted 11 seconds, we know all the details told by Jesse Glover and Ed Hart. Bruce parried a front kick and followed chain punches next.
Was that on the set of one of his movies?
@@FightCommentary No, it happened early 1960s on a Tennis court YMCA Seattle... Yoichi was a 2 degree black belt who constantly challenged Bruce in the University
That is fascinating! Never knew. Did Yoichi ever talk about the event?
@@FightCommentary Bruce and him never spoke about the event, we know this fight from his students and Bruce's students who were present that night, they were interviewed by John Little who made a book about Bruce's real fights
@@FightCommentaryYoichi Nakachi was a competitive Judoka, and a 2nd degree black belt in Karate. He was physically larger than Bruce and was known as a Dojo stormer.
This fight happened in Seattle 1961 or 1962, way before Bruce was doing movies. And for those haters that claim Bruce never fought a grappler or skilled striker... Nakachi was a standout Judoka AND Karateka.
Bruce destroyed him in about 13 seconds. Ed Hart (eyewitness) got nervous because the KO was so bad, he thought Nakachi was dead at first lol.
Cool!
Wing Chun contains both short range and long range hooking punches
These guys have great training, they’re not trying to “look” like wing chun but are applying the principles very well. Wing Chun is a principle based art, open ended in its application. Too many people want to see training drills in fights rather than the side effects of the drills (the whole point of drills) which are less evident to the untrained eye.
Is the karate fighter a white belt with little sparring experience? I don't think he threw a single right reverse punch after winging it with the left lead hand.
I know right this karateka has no experience.
Having hook(s), upper cut(s) or not, depending on schools.
However, it still needs to go back to What WC is, and what are WC's principles. If a school saw some moves are prevailing in current martial arts/ combat sport, then add it into its WC system and said 'Oh, WC also has sth sth.' However, that move contradicts WC principles, such as the centre-line principle; can the final product still be called WC? In other words, imagine a Kali teacher saw guns were so cool one day, so he decided to add shooting into his system and still call it Kali.
Totally absent from this comment section is the " wingchun sucks" crowd. Basically the last opponent in red shorts boxed and still got taken down.
Whose gonna man up and say " looks like we were wrong". There's a video " wingchun hook punch" where it is demonstrated its not as arcing as a choy li fut or boxer punch. Sort of a hybrid between a straight punch and a hook.
I had to block one of them just now. The issue with some of these guys is they immediately make this channel political by bringing up non martial arts related issues that can only get this channel in trouble (stuff related to rac3, gender etc). So to protect this channel, I have to patrol the comments like a freaking rat. Still breaks my heart sometimes, but I just remember to focus on the big picture and think about the people who watch this channel because of the love for martial arts.
The no punching to the head rule of karate is turning into their weakness. They don't punch the head in kyokushin so they're not used to defending against it. Only those who have added boxing can put up a fight.
7:38 橫抽拳, you can final it in 標指
Oh! So the Biu Jee that every non-Chinese speaking chunner speaks of is 標指? Thanks for another term that I can now look up in Chinese!
@@FightCommentary Three Wing Chun forms are Siu Nim Tao = 小念头 Chum Kiu = 寻桥 Biu Jee = 標指
However Wing Chun terminologies are primarily Cantonese (or Cantonese-to-English), so mandarin stuffs are actually (slightly) more difficult to come by.
Both did admirably for amatures.
The wing chun guy has obviously more fighting experience than the karate guys. It seems like the wing chun guy has also done some boxing besides Wing chun, it is a mix of two or even three different styles. BTW style doesn't matter much, what matters is experience. Nice video.
The wing chun guy has very fast knee strikes
形意 has a 横拳 but it's a reverse punch in diagonal. maybe he has magic pants that makes him a good fighter
wing chun is played by grudging from all sides with the alignement, and the hands is where the ribs are at you need space and patience too and lightness and heavyness in slow motion start by tacking out the trap tricks.
The Karate guys is everything wrong with modern Karate in some countries. Karate is a superior martial arts if done the way is supposed to be done with the jiu jitsu and knees and elbows.
Saying karate is "a superior martial art" if done as you suggest is just another claim based on prejudice. Many styles can be highly effective if they fit the fighter and come from comprehensive training that includes testing skills with free sparring. I respect some styles more than others, but I know someone with the right frame of mind and training can be very effective with a style I have less respect for.
For me, the performance of the Wing Chun practitioners exceeded expectations because, unfortunately, they don't spar enough to make it work under stress.
karate guy goes in without a plan.
Leave it to the Russians to make stuff work. Mad Respect !
Hooks and upper cut are taught in two of the forms and are used very close range. WC is best at close range or take down range (clinch if you like). Also, there is no retreating in WC. It’s all angles and forward stepping…this looks again like Donald Mak’s Russian school…
I guess Xu Haidong was a good thing. He basically removed all these "Flower dancing Kung Fu" schools and instead made would be practioners to carefully choose their Sifu if they are "real deal".
Good wing chun.🎉
Shows that a bad guard and low punching skills crumble under forward pressure like used in WC
A good guard and slightly more accurate punching skills negates the forward pressure
True. You will need more than that if you want to make Wing Chun work against a decent opponent.
As Wing Chun comes from White Crane, i can tell that it was supposed to be grapoling heavy amd use weapons if available, so one could say that nowdays, people are not practicing the whole art, just like Karate practitioners
@@jestfullgremblim8002 saying a striking art is more effective with grappling and weapons is a bit of an excuse people use I find, I agree its true though so I get what you mean, but thats the same for any striking art so it doesnt help much
WC works best when its doing two things, breaking through guards with forward pressure and its block+counter strike combos
boxing has those kinds of combos where you block and counter as soon as you feel the hit on your guard so its know to be very effective, you just need to train it right.
The advantage of the boxing block counter is that they protect their chin while blocking, where as WC does not, the chin is wide open for KO as the blocks are being performed.
This is also why you see them get hit while they move forwards often too, they walk their chin right onto a waiting counter shot like a check hook
Its ok for low level attacks but as soon as you fight trained people that can feint then its super dangerous to bock in WC because if you miss time it you give them a free shot at the chin. This is pretty much why you dont see WC work at pro level
@@driver3899 i understand and agree with what you are saying (you are definitely knowledgeable on this) BUT there is something that i would like to fix in there:
Wing Chun was a weapon martial art at first, just like Karate, Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Xing Yi quan and White Crane Style Kung Fu. All of those just got transformed into unarmed styles because people misunderstood them or for other reasons (like Karate, whose weapons and grappling were removed on purpose because the Japanese wanted a unarmed striking style)
Wing Chun used to have takedowns and most of it's "unarmed techniques" are actually weapon techniques. Just look at how you are supposed to used the Butterfly Sword in wing chun and you'll end up finding Pak Sao, Tan Sao, Bong Sao and all of those techniques again. When you see the weapon applications, the "Man Sao Wu Sao stance" suddently makes sense! (People almost never attack the face with knives, they want your body) also, all of those karate-like hand chops to the neck start making sense!
And just like Taijiquan (A.K.A. Taichi), Xingyiquan, Baguazhang, Karate and some other styles. Wing Chun practitioners were supposed to use grappling if they were caught unarmed, and they could also use some of their weapon techniques while unarmed (which is what we see today as the main WC moves). The old practitioners of Taichi, Bagua and Xing Yi all did Shuai Jiao, which is basically Chinese Judo (in the sense that it has very similar techniques and concepts), and while i haven't really found any proof of the same being true for WC practitioners, we still know that WC comes from the Shaolin Temple where the animal styles are practiced, and if you didn't know, basically all of the animal styles are also Weapon based and grappling based while unarmed.
Winh Chun comes from the White Crane style (just like a big part of Karate) and White Crane practitioners are, once again, supposed to do grappling (along with some striking, of course) when unarmed, so it's obvious that it's the same for Wing Chun, just like it is for Karate. When doing grappling, Tan Sao suddently becomes super useful, Jum Sao makes sense, the whole sticking to yoir opponent becomes easy and profitable, etc.
Btw, Okinawan Karate masters/practitioners did not have Shuai Jiao, but instead they practiced "Tuidi" which is basically Okinawan wrestling. So yeah, that's why all of these martial arts were so good back then. They were practiced right
You misunderstood me when i talked about weapons and grappling.
Of course that every striking art becomes stronger when used with those, but that is not what i meant, i meant that Wing Chun was literally meant to be used like that and that most of it's tecniques are either grappling or weapon stuff
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Ah yeah I get your point better now, yes if it was weapon first then same ideas used for empty hand striking it will make the striking way less practical, I do kali arnis (stick fighting) and its strikes are amazing with a stick or knife but when you do them empty hand they are pretty garbage, better than nothing but only just.
As for karate, I am no expert on its history but from what I remember it comes from old Japanese jujitsu which is what the samurai would use when weapons broke on the battlefield. That then broke off into karate (the striking part) and judo (the wrestling part) but I know Okinawan karate has its own separate history too
In any case we can only judge the pros and cons of each style in the context of striking you will do in the modern day, and that means empty hand in civilian clothing, no weapons or armour.
I think WC can be somewhat effective if trained right (pressure tested) and with its own limitations in mind. Just like any style, but the chin must be protected, if not by modifying its guard then by use of excellent lateral footwork, timing and distance management to stop punches especially when moving forwards and potentially walking into counter strikes.
There are some similarities to the Thai long guard or "Dracula" guard and the outstretched hand of the WC guard so that could be work shopped into something quite functional, plus we know in boxing that hand trapping to pull apart someones guard and leave opening for strikes works well so thats already proven. Plus the grappling like you said, if that was emphasised then it might be pretty effective in clinch striking
Just haven't seen anyone put all these things together into high level striking yet
The vast majority of WC is not trained as a functional art (if you are not wearing a mouthguard in training then there is a good chance your not training in a functional way) so I expect that is the biggest hurdle for someone to overcome before they can become a high level striker using just WC techniques
One thing these guys use really well is their pushes and pulls. Hes never letting his opponent have good balances and just stream rolling them with pressure 😭 low key kinda mean
The day when Wing Chun guys stop standing with Pai Zhuang (hands out, turned up) will be a glorious day. You know you’re flat footed when you feel the need to jump forward to enter. And second, stop chain punching. All the necessary skills are there - they just don’t originate from those two bad habits. There is no chain punching. And it’s not for training muscles. It’s just for the idea of Replacement Theory. When one hand retreats, another one takes it’s place. Same concept of a bouncer keeping a hand on a guys chest or up near the pit of the throat, while he’s trying to manage the situation around him. No matter where he looks or what he does, he’s going to keep a hand there controlling center mast, in case you decide to do anything stupid. Lastly, centerline splits through the person in all directions / at each major angle. NOT just straight up the middle. If you do wing chun and wonder why looping / hooking punches keep catching you.. it’s because you focus too much on the limited idea of a center line. The front center line is just about protecting your vital organs. That’s it. It’s not the only line that’s important though. The shoulder line is important. Control a person’s shoulder line, you can stuff a lot of those outside punches that keep catching you over top of your guard. Literally ANY form of grappling… even Traditional Chinese will show you how to stuff those punches.
Bro Think he Is Bruce Lee in "the fist of Fury" 💀
Bro 😂
Rather than judging which style is better, I would say the WC guy has better sparring experience than the Karate guy
Wing chun WINS 🏆 😃😃😃
How come I rarely see any legit Wing Chun techniques being employed in these Wing Chun vs fill in the blank vids..
The karate fighters seem incapable of dealing with attacks at close range and clinching, overly dependent on kicks that are not combined or very effective, and generally inept at this type of hard sparring. The Wing Chun fighter is quite good, though he's not displaying that much technique we might associate with Wing Chun.(I studied Wing Chun for two years and had lighter sparring with Taekwondo students who were similarly unprepared for straight attacks and close fighting.) He's adapted Wing Chun principles very well to this type of free sparring. Overall, he's showing how Wing Chun can work effectively when confronted with those of other styles and just hard sparring or more chaotic fighting.
The channel's narrator is both dishonest and insulting in comments about Donnie Yen not knowing Wing Chun when he made the Ip Man films. He had experience with many martial arts and trained in Wing Chun to portray Ip Man. Besides studying and training in Wing Chun, he delved into the history and philosophy of the style, consulted with Ip Chun, and became accomplished in a relatively short time because of his background and dedication. His technique was good, and he did an excellent job in those films. Of course, a film is a dramatic depiction with choreographed scenes, but Donnie Yen was more than convincing and faithful to Wing Chun techniques. So it's both dishonest and a cheap shot to fault him for not being adept in Wing Chun before preparing to play Ip Man.
Not only that Jerry MMA and bjj with critick it as they feel nothing is better then their arts
tHaT's NoT rEaL kArAtE!1!!!!!11!!!
Hahahahah
Same thing with the Wing Chun 😭😭😭
In my old Sensei's Isshinryu Karate class, we studied all styles. I have over 50 seminar hours in hIndi Andi Gung Fu another 50 seminar hours in Tai Chi and another 200 seminar hours under Grand Master Advincula all on top of about 6000 hours of training under a 4th degree black belt. I am laughing at how bad these karate guys are.
You really want to make us believe you rubbing your jacket was chain punches? 😜
That karate guy has to be a white or yellow belt with limited sparring experience.
There’s no MT here
We'll show em, Chinese Boxing!!!
I do shotokan Karate and honestly imo(correct me if I'm wrong) Shotokan Karate is only good at higher belts only ( black, brown and red), the lower belts would not be able to fight if they were put in an actual fight.
Leave it to Russians to be hardcore enough to make WC work
Beautiful sparring compared to the previous video.
As seen here when in pressure testing we can often see Wing Chun practitioners resort to "Jeen Choi/Arrow punch (箭捶)" since it is one of the easiest to use long range punchs in Wing Chun's repertoire. Jeen Choi is basically JKD's straight lead punch.
Bruce Lee likely took the technique and simply ran with it, building an entire martial arts around that punch.
Common Wing Chun combo:
ua-cam.com/video/SJB62jjqUnI/v-deo.html
If the average WC guy was half as good as them...
Wooden dummy has some clinching and grappling
that first karate guy seemed a little green to me.
Vs wing chun
CIRCLES
Circle em. Move. Do not engage lol
Don't believe he is a karate practitioner, if so he's very low belt. And all my years we and the other Dojos never wore a t-shirt.
Looks like the Wing Chun guys have been cross training to fill in the gaps....I trained Wing Chun with a bit of Judo and boxing, they blend together quite well. But it's basically MMA if there is cross training. Good Wing Chun school, wish more were like this. This is what happens when Wing Chun is trained properly...with or without cross training....great school!
You’ve been wrong about wing chun skills many times in the past. I told you there’s good footage out there. By the way, there’s another wing chun school vs karate school video out there that’s even better than this one! No head gear either! I think it’s in China or Japan. It’s definitely in an Asian country.
Where? Show me!! I want to see this clip!!
@@FightCommentary I’m gonna look for it now. I remember they took it down a while ago but I swear you’ll love it! If I can find it I’ll post it up here
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Here it is bro! And they cut it too! It was a longer video!
@@FightCommentaryYou did a review of it already in 2019. My bad.
That was ding hao! Ding hao got destroyed by Xu xiaodong in 2019. There are levels to these things. Still, it’s quite interesting that at ding hao’s level he could still take on the karate mcdojos 😂😂
Makes me feel so sad when i see people like that representing Wing Chun
Its so much more than that
I pet they are no more than Beginners
Wing Chun is a form of Gung Fu
And in Chinese Martial Arts
You need to train you Body and Mind together
So Sad , really so Sad to see it get watered down like this
The first karate guy throws wild hook punches and bad spin kicks. Yawn. Beating him doesn't tell you much.
I seriously seen much better figths in junior kickboxing for girl's and junior mma and also junior Muay Thai etc etc.. I'm tried to look for one perfect move which is the only moves that is counted in semi contact kickboxing which is stopped after each connecting combo or a perfect power move.. I'm pretty sure by those rules it would be a draw because it wasn't any perfect power moves or combinations... maybe someone else would score it differently anyways the video isn't over i hope they stopped effing around in the second half
this video is better when muted
What a laughable level in the first fight! They're fighting like school boys!
Absolutely not. Send us clips of you. We’ll feature you any time if you think your stuff is better.
@@FightCommentary sorry, I had answered but it seems my answer has not been posted.
I do not practice Wing Chun or traditional karaté, but I maintain the first 2 guys lack technique.
If it pleases you to compare styles, you can find some of my fights on my channel. Not all of them are online, but all the videos I have are, wins or losses. Be my guest.
There is no Wing Chun here
Kind of funny, they beat karatekas with muay thai clinch ))
The hook in Wing Chun is more in red boat Wing Chun it's not really an ip Man Wing Chun
Who developed red boat wing chun?
@@FightCommentary red boat was the first system. It looks like boxing with Muay Thai clinch work and sweeps and throws.
That was the first system.
Then came Fujian Wing Chun. That was the second incarnation.
Lastly came Hong Kong Wing Chun.
For reasons I don't fully understand each incarnation of Wing Chun had less and less material...
Look up Steve Smith and non-classical kung fu.
That system contains red boat wing Chun.
In fact Bruce Lee learned red boat in Seattle from his uncle fook yueng..
If you look at that system trapping leads into locks and throws.
Anyways . Bruce Lee's main teacher was fook yueng.
Bruce Lee learned red boat as it's a far more effective and complete system but he didn't teach it openly. It became his secret family lineage.
You should have interviewed Jesse Glover who was one of Bruce Lee's top students and the best, he was also a gold medalist in judo at the Olympics. He passed away a couple years ago.
Ed heart was a former professional boxer who was also one of Bruce Lee's students he's also dead.
Both of them trained in red boat after Bruce Lee passed away.
You might really want to interview Steve Smith. While he didn't train with Bruce he did train in red boat Wing Chun. He was personally trained by Bruce's uncle and he also trained heavily with Jesse glover.
FYI non-classical kung fu is basically the name given to the secret material that was Bruce Lee's family lineage and he never desired it to be commercialized, it and he never desired it to be commercialized, it was secret only for the few people and he never desired it to be commercialized, it was also a name used to avoid lawsuits from the Bruce Lee foundation but that's another story. Non-classical kung fu in Seattle is the best system I have ever seen if we're talking about Wing Chun.
Wing Chun guy keeps turning hiss back on the karate guy after they disengage. Very bad form. disrespectful and just a bad idea.
Yikes. These two lads do not know to fight 😬(first fight)
There are more than two lads in this video. There’s a couple of matches in fact.
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Fair enough Jerry. I meant the first two guys. I’ll add that to my comment.
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Also. Dude. Just wanted to say - thank you for uploading these fight and putting in the time. You really deserve way more recognition.
Okey good fight but wingchun player not balance
white shirt guy show too much back , so bad
I know you said people who don't agree should leave the channel. Still, I'll risk this for a block :P
What I saw in the first video seemed more like JKD than WC.
I'm basing my opinion on the lack of square stance and the fencing move he uses to rapidly close the distance.
On the other hand, the chain punches are more specific to WC.
Offtopic PS: KFC can win some customers if it introduces Spicy Chicken Wing Chun. Whatever that would be.
Yep. I can agree with you. This school almost had JKD vibes esp because it looks like they’re sparring other styles. If you spar other styles, you’re going to change your own approach. It’s inevitable. All roads eventually lead to JKD or MMA 🤓 Great comment!
The JKD "fencing moves" is actually a Wing Chun technique called 逼步箭捶 or 箭捶 (Arrow punch). It is sort of a go-to technique for Wing Chun practitioner during sparring, even (especially) for beginners without a lot of sparring experience because it can be launched without fancy close-range trappings.
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I always have a sneaking suspicion that Bruce Lee's JKD "inspired by fencing and stuffs" straight lead was simply tagged-on window dressings to advertise a core technique he already long knew and practiced.
Is this parody ?
Que. Karatê. Frouxo. É. Esse. Karateka. Assim. É. Melhor. Treinar. Balé
The karate guy is horrible
Wing Chun or chaotic moves? Lol.