language is fascinating. not just spoken word but any form of communication.a humans ability to recognise sequence and interpret that sequence as information is incredible. you take a child who is deaf and they will learn to communicate through sign language. two people can have a full conversation using sign language with no sound whatsoever, yet to most of us this is completely alien. i find it fascinating how we learn to interpret patterns and sequences and how far could it go.
Hi Luis, I love your question and it is related to my thesis. I say without any doubt if you want to really study a culture there is no truer way to study it than via the experience of actually speaking the language. The culture is embodied in the (experience of the) language, otherwise it would be like being an expert race car driver who had never driven a car but only studied all manuals related to driving. Or reading books on yoga but never actually doing it.
Is there an actual empirical research about the colours, did the Japanese speakers actually not see, percept the difference between green and blue or they were simply asked to categorize the colours?
Sapir said thought-culture-lenguage was a triad, all linked together. He was right, however his critics attacked him on the issue of transformation and determinism, two points he was not all that opposed as people belive
Thanks for posting. It was extremely interesting and definately food for thought. Still doesn't really answer my question though. Does learning a language = an increase of cultural capital? As an example, if I were to learn a native language of sub sahara will I have a greater cultural awareness / cultural capital than if I had just studied their culture instead?
To answer the question, I believe that studying and being able to speak a language of another culture is the first step to understand this other culture. The different grammar, pronunciation and sentence structure etc. represents parts of this culture. What's more, it is the sense of belongings that increase your culture awareness when you speak this language!:)
Well, recent re-readings of the Sapir-Whorf have argued that maybe the theory was not so "drastic" to begin with - that Sapir accounted for evolution, transformation and interpenetration of such linguistic worldviews more than his critic would believe.
The artificiality or split is an illusion. There is no way to study "the culture" apart from the particular language forms expressed. Language and culture are part and parcel. What is spoken amongst speakers, nonverbal/verbal is not an isolated monad or module alongside, parallel or in addition to culture. If you study the culture,any, you are entering the symbolic exchanges of both the particular Art and landscape of their multitudinous language thought expression, however doing so through your
Ludwig Wittgenstein : Philosophical Investigations Quote " Language is The Bewitchment of Intelligence", ### P.M.S. Hacker is a world -wide expert on the works of Wittgenstein, , his books are tge est , his lectures are on UA-cam.
After working with the Indigenous Mangari/Yangman people I can tell you that there view of time is different from Europeans, with them there is only now.
we developed language before our brain Was fully logical so language itself cant translate automatic logical thought processes fully. language isnt usable as soon as the brain is able to find patterns since language can't reflect a thought pattern and the meaning behind the information we provide gets lost
but because we still use so many different languages everyone's inner voice or narrator or anything else translating their thoughts into words will come to the same conclusion but in a different way and path which makes it impossible for someone who isn't that person to understand the context
i don't get how these professors can be so dumb with all their degrees and infinitude of scientific publications. "so language is following the culture rather than other way around". obviously, it goes both ways. IF you have "24 words for x" it becomes a lot more likely the mere fact directs your attention to become an expert on x in comparison to speaker of a language that only has "2 words for x". it's a feedback loop.
There is no other options to study a culture but to start opening your mouse and talking to others. Communication leads to wonders, which help you acquire more knowledge about another culture. Self-paced studies is never adequate.
Benjamin Lee Whorf is my Great-Great-Grandfather! What a spectacular man, I wish could've met him.
Is that your pic?
is what my pic?
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Your grandfather's theory confuses me...
I hear your song fix, just wanted to let you know, it's good.
I am here after watching arrival movie. Movie was really good.
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Haha just clicked off the movie for a quick check as soon as she mentioned it
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Yes me to, but after watching the 'hidden meaning of arrival ' on a different you tube channel.
Here after watching arrival. Mind blowing.
I am here because I am learning Buddhism ☸️, and am getting humbler everyday when it comes to understanding reality.
language is fascinating. not just spoken word but any form of communication.a humans ability to recognise sequence and interpret that sequence as information is incredible. you take a child who is deaf and they will learn to communicate through sign language. two people can have a full conversation using sign language with no sound whatsoever, yet to most of us this is completely alien. i find it fascinating how we learn to interpret patterns and sequences and how far could it go.
Dude you are our saviour for our psychology exam!
Hi Luis, I love your question and it is related to my thesis. I say without any doubt if you want to really study a culture there is no truer way to study it than via the experience of actually speaking the language. The culture is embodied in the (experience of the) language, otherwise it would be like being an expert race car driver who had never driven a car but only studied all manuals related to driving. Or reading books on yoga but never actually doing it.
Sorry it’s taken me 9 years to reply! I’ve only just seen it. Thank you for your comments. Makes sense.
5:20 Philosophers: Oh, really?
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Is there an actual empirical research about the colours, did the Japanese speakers actually not see, percept the difference between green and blue or they were simply asked to categorize the colours?
It was a study done at Berkeley by Paul Kay and Brett Berlin in the 70s I think
Sapir said thought-culture-lenguage was a triad, all linked together. He was right, however his critics attacked him on the issue of transformation and determinism, two points he was not all that opposed as people belive
Was surprised by The xx in the credits. Good music taste bro!
Thanks for posting. It was extremely interesting and definately food for thought. Still doesn't really answer my question though. Does learning a language = an increase of cultural capital? As an example, if I were to learn a native language of sub sahara will I have a greater cultural awareness / cultural capital than if I had just studied their culture instead?
Hey! It’s been a while. Any new thoughts on this? It’s something which I have been wondering for a while.
Haven’t heard anything else although I do think this happens. I have no proof though
To answer the question, I believe that studying and being able to speak a language of another culture is the first step to understand this other culture. The different grammar, pronunciation and sentence structure etc. represents parts of this culture. What's more, it is the sense of belongings that increase your culture awareness when you speak this language!:)
Well, recent re-readings of the Sapir-Whorf have argued that maybe the theory was not so "drastic" to begin with - that Sapir accounted for evolution, transformation and interpenetration of such linguistic worldviews more than his critic would believe.
particular agreed upon (unconscious) reference points that you assume (as they assume) are pivotal or supreme.
the sun rose and i gave a rose to Ann - not ambiguous because of the context
Can someone explain briefly The Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. I'm here for my activity in Language, Culture and Society
I want to believe having more words doesn't make a language superior, too. How do explain why to a friend who asks?
The artificiality or split is an illusion. There is no way to study "the culture" apart from the particular language forms expressed. Language and culture are part and parcel. What is spoken amongst speakers, nonverbal/verbal is not an isolated monad or module alongside, parallel or in addition to culture.
If you study the culture,any, you are entering the symbolic exchanges of both the particular Art and landscape of their multitudinous language thought expression, however doing so through your
That, yeah I only know of because of Arrival, shit yeah that's how I know about!
So Sapir-Whorf hypothesis doesn't hold water? Chomsky argued against Linguistic relativity (sapir Whorf) right?
alright, let's hope this info gets me extra credit on my linguistics final tmrw!
How'd it go? Sorry, I'm six years late
Now, 7 years later, my final is tomorrow! Wish me luck 🥶
@@っっ-y8i I must have done alright, I can't believe I graduated 4 years ago lol. Good luck!!
The topic piqued my interest when I watched the movie, " Arrival" .
This guy has a cool last name 🤨
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I’m here after watching the arrival
Ludwig Wittgenstein : Philosophical Investigations
Quote " Language is The Bewitchment of Intelligence",
### P.M.S. Hacker is a world -wide expert on the works of Wittgenstein, , his books are tge est , his lectures are on UA-cam.
After working with the Indigenous Mangari/Yangman people I can tell you that there view of time is different from Europeans, with them there is only now.
Thank you!
thank you soooooo much
I think I just figured out how to fix it so it actually works and makes sense on a logical level
our thoughts aren't based on speech but the speech is based on thoughts
we developed language before our brain Was fully logical so language itself cant translate automatic logical thought processes fully. language isnt usable as soon as the brain is able to find patterns since language can't reflect a thought pattern and the meaning behind the information we provide gets lost
but because we still use so many different languages everyone's inner voice or narrator or anything else translating their thoughts into words will come to the same conclusion but in a different way and path which makes it impossible for someone who isn't that person to understand the context
i don't get how these professors can be so dumb with all their degrees and infinitude of scientific publications. "so language is following the culture rather than other way around". obviously, it goes both ways. IF you have "24 words for x" it becomes a lot more likely the mere fact directs your attention to become an expert on x in comparison to speaker of a language that only has "2 words for x". it's a feedback loop.
why would you have that many words for x if your culture doesn't deal with them
Good shit
There is no other options to study a culture but to start opening your mouse and talking to others. Communication leads to wonders, which help you acquire more knowledge about another culture. Self-paced studies is never adequate.
#FAU
Thank you!