Great piece and thought provoking! I think I'd still go with my future, because in the present moment that would be like a gut feeling with an actual direction and outcome.
I think it'd be hard to stick with that. You'd be making that decision over and over again forever (or all at once?). Definitely makes you wonder though, I think I'd rather not know.
If you knew how your life would play out, it would be non-linear. In non-linear time, there is no choice, everything is predeterminded. So even if you wanted to change something, you couldn't. Choice would be an illusion.
How do you know that the change you intentionally make was not supposed to be made? That's the thing. Every choice you make leads down a path, that path may be predetermined and your choices are only illusions. Later you can say "yes, but id I would have chosen the other way..." well you didn't...
The last question voids itself, doesn't it? It's almost like asking, "if you knew you were going to die one day, would you still want to live?" My basic takeaway from the film is to squeeze the juice out of the lemon that is life. If every day were a choice not to off yourself, at least have some lemonade while you're at it.
"Determinism and the existence of Free Will - do we really have control over the choices we make, or are they predetermined by an incredibly complex series of events prior to making that choice" In 2009 I published a book which, ultimately, leads to a suggestion as to how Deterministic Laws, Free Will (Conscious Intent) and Time (the viscous-type behavior of the second law of Thermodynamics/Entropy) not just coexist but, are perhaps woven together to form a future which incorporates the 'Intent of the Free Will-er'. Meaning, is it possible that our intent affects future outcomes while at the same time preserving fundamental Universal Laws/Values. In the mechanism which I described, Free Will has far more influence than I ever imagined in that I suggest Quantum Uncertainty is akin to Deterministic Chaos - it only looks random/chaotic. It is likely that the randomness of particle outcomes are in fact deliberate, so that Free Will's interference of Deterministic Laws/values are balanced-out. This alludes to the notion that the Universe's sole goal is to support the existence of Free Will, not Determinism...."we are an investment in consciousness, the golden thread of free will, sewn - interaction by interaction - into the fabric of reality" I think you can download a free PDF copy on GoogleBooks. www.amazon.com/If-We-Are-Anything-Consciousness/dp/B00EEQF574 books.google.com.au/books?id=wLgPY5YL4VQC&pg=PT177&lpg=PT177&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false
I think that what Louisa Banks is living is far more complicated than time travel as we imagine it. I think she starts to perceive her lifetime in a non-linear way, different to what we perceive living in three dimension. Therefore, is not that she starts traveling in time, instead she starts to experience different moments of her life at the same time and I don’t think she’ is able to change those events. (BTW, I’m already experiencing a moment from my future life where nobody likes this comment lol 😝) Love this movie!
But there are a few events that would change. The Asian guy tells Louise something in the future that only he knew his wife said. Since she tells him before the incident it would change the future. However lets ignore it because its a movie.
@@jerrymeeks8257 Both the Chinese General and her got the ability to perceive non linear time. That's why they have that akward conversation "in the future" where he tells her exactly what she has to tell him in "the past". It's very likely the Chinese General experienced the same as her as his team tried to communicate with the aliens but he was doubtful of their intentions so it wasn't until he got his own message from his "future self" that he belived what the aliens were saying. The Chinese General used her as a messanger to deliver a message to himself. As BorreLira said above, they aren't changing the future, it cannot be changed, they are just becoming aware of it. Their future was always set for them to meet and have that converstation, is the moment they become aware of that what completes the loop. The only difference between they and us is that we are trap in the illusion of free will because of linear time perception, while both the girl and the Chinese General are aware of the time-loop and they can experience it vividly.
Awesome thought provoking video craig -- jack and i saw this film over Thanksgiving weekend and we were floored. It was the kind of movie we always want a movie to be but usually never is! Loved your video on it- very cool thank you for making!
I don't know if anyone has already made a comment like this. I think no matter what we do even if we wanted to try change the outcome of our future, everything we would do to try change it would eventually result in the outcome we wanted to change to begin with. Meaning it's pre determined because what we are seeing in the "future" has already happened right? Because time is relative. But because we don't know what events lead up to it, we think let's change that, not realising that we are actually going through those events that made up of the outcome. Or say we can change the events that lead up to it but the outcomes are fixed points in time.
Thank you! Wish I could pump out more of these type of videos. I have some in the works but I haven't been able to see any movies on opening night recently.
"If you knew how everything in your life was going to turn out, would you do things differently?" No, I'd ask: "Why?" And if you did things differently, then you would still know how things turn out. So why change any of it?
what about the effect you have on other people. the worth of your choices have to be measure on different levels, on your personal wellbeing, on the wellbeing of your family, your society and the planet. if you are putting positive output out there even in the smallest ways your life is meaningful. and only a meaningful life is worth living.
To answer your question "If you knew how everything in your life would turn out, would you change anything". This is my answer: "Maybe i'd say my feelings more often, I - I don't know"
I think the question leaves no place for an answer. "If you knew how your life will end, would you change anything?" well, you already know (almost as if it was a past fact) that you your life will end a certain way. you got to that end, precisely, by knowing it. if you didn't know it you might be able to change it on the way (which is the life we live in now). With the perception of what happens in your whole life, you already made those decisions, and that's why you see it the way it is. You have info from the future, so you make decisions in the present accounting for it which lead you to the best future you could ever fathom. That's why this is the one single future you see.
the past is known, the present is the experience here and dominant future paths are seen but the ending is undecided. keeping in mind that while everything is possible very little of that is probable in this simple way time would be percieved nonlinear yet free will preserved.
My native language is French, but when I started learning English as a second language in my teen years, the 2 languages mingled with each other in my head. A lot of times, my thoughts and dreams would be in English even if it wasn't my natural go-to language, so it certainly "changed" something fundamentally. Sometimes I'll think of something to say in English first and then translate it back to French, often lousily, simply because I find English to be more to the point and descibes what I'm mean to say better. That's my experience anyway. I'm assuming having only one language would not lead to such problematics or frustrations seeing as you do not have the knowledge of an entire other language to make comparisons with. As for the perception of time, I'm no physicist of course but it is my belief that Time is immuable (a perfectly straight line or circle even - I'll get back to that shortly). It is the fact that we do not know the future that gives us the illusion of free will, and thank god for that, because if you knew your entire life ahead of time then what would be the point of living it? Because you don't know, you remain under the strong impression of making choices everyday and you don't go about your life thinking you should or should not do certain things because they are predetermined. That's a completely absent thought in everyone's mind. In the movie, it might be made to look like Louise, knowing of the future, is making a choice so the viewers get a sense of meaningfulness in her decision, but is she really making one? I would answere "no" to that. It is again a deceptive illusion of choice. I also have the belief that the Universe is one big time loop, and this is an actual theory (www.theguardian.com/education/2005/apr/14/research.highereducation1). In this scenario, the Universe is literally reborn from its own energy when the "big crunch" occurs and then repeats all over again. This would answer the 6 billion dollar question of what was there before the Universe and "who" created it. What was there before the Universe came into being? The Universe. The same one even. Who made it happen? Itself. But what was there BEFORE the loop, you ask? Well the answer will only make sense to people of understand how seemingly illogical time paradoxes can be and may not satisfy everyone. The answer? There is/was never any "before", or any "after" for that matter. That's the principle of "eternity" and of paradoxes always "being".
Nicely said. I was thinking the very thing you stated - given prior knowledge of one's entire life, what would be the point of living? It would be very boring, not to mention anxiety provoking knowing all the bad things to come. I too feel the life cycle of the universe is one giant loop - big band, demise of the universe, and the rebirth again - another big bang. Fascinating! Btw, multiple languages do effect our way of thinking. Like you, I think in one language at specific moments (influenced by culture) and then speak in another, and vice -a - versa. Also, trying to learn a 3rd language has also infiltrated my thought process and speaking. Again, fascinating!
I think a big part of the movie that is getting overlooked is that the movie asks the question "When would decisions be made if you could see the future and the past?" and "Does it matter when you make a decision if time isn't linear?". So I think your last question might be fundamentally flawed - if time is non-linear then there is no "future" for you to see. To use a personal example, I'm married and we have a child. If time wasn't linear, it might be possible that I decided to marry my wife after seeing the child we had together, and realizing what needed to be done to ensure that child came into being. (If even one thing was changed, that child would not be born) Which is nonsensical to us because of how we perceive time (I can't decide today that I'm going to do what I did yesterday because yesterday already happened!), but if our perception of time was non-linear, then I could see the results of an action, then decide to take that action to achieve those results.
That Other Guy but it also calls the question of free will because you only see the result and not the action you took to get there. If you see a child you see a child. Not the woman you married to have it nor saying yes or no to the woman if she’s the one who purposes to have said child.
I understand your point. But let's say you were a being from a dimension where time isn't linear every possible decision you do eventually make would completely rewrite your timeline everytime a significant decision is made. One would have multiple futures he/she could access.
The question is irrelevant because if you decided to change something x point in time that means you were always going to change there for you’re future is already the one you change. If that makes sense. The movie points out what happened will always be destined to happen.
Adding to this - Louise ' daughter still dies. This leads me to believe the movie implies that Louise is also an observer of her own life which is determined.
@@larryleisuresuit3566 I feel like its kinda how a higher dimensional being would perceive time then. You're whole life is just there for you to see, everything is all pre-determined. And you just are. I don't know how you would live like that though, since your life is both past, present, and future.
I think the last part is misleaded, the deterministic depiction of the life that the language describes is based on the recursive succession of a determined equation of our behaviour, this as it happens with fractal figures describes the pattern that develop a extremely complex figure in different layers (say our behaviour as a whole in our entire life until now, the last month, the last week or the last minute defined by a really complex algorithm repeated continueally from an infinitecimal level to one of integers ), this in deed predict our future (deterministically) in different layers of time perception (the idea of what the alien language does is that depicts this pattern that our brain can handle and relate this periodicity with events past long ago or just effectuated) but it can't predict the outcome (our experience, that's which nails down memories and help us relate with change) because this depends on the environment upon that behaviour/algorithm acts to sustain our life amid high entropy. So all this says that contingency is always unpredictable but our memory is a tool that can be reconfigured to overcome past habits and that we have the last word about our present if we are aware to the important data.
This actually make sense, consider an adolescent who was constantly placed into juvenile detention, we can't predict what the outcome of his exact future will be but we can determine the directions his life may be headed because of the daily habits he has developed,
OMG, I would totally change things. But there's no way I could have known at the time and I made the best decisions I could with the information at hand.
Great analysis :) I saw this movie yesterday and I liked it a lot. And in answer to the question at the end there? I really don't know? It's a very weighty one indeed, isn't it? I think in the case of Amy Adams character (and without spoiling anything for anyone who hasn't seen the movie), I probably would have done the same.
Thanks! And it was great, I'm seeing it again soon. I agree that I would have made the same decision she did. Hard to say otherwise though. Makes you think though, doesn't it?
if speed equals distance divided by time, then time is merely duration of motion. It has no existence outside of matter. Insofar as our choices affect the motion of matter, there are probable effects, but no verifiable certainties for the results of a choice, especially if one consider that the whole effect is a product of a multitude of dependent and independent choices and prior conditions. The laws of physics are relatively constant, but the outcome of multiple affects is cumulative and beyond ken.
So, while no individual can know that they are dead, by definition, it is still true that individuals can know that OTHER individuals are dead. So, how could it time be totally relative, to other alien species? Is there not an absolute order of: not born, living, now dead?
It's a paradox isn't it. Different movies approach this. In The Butterfly Effect, different things Evan does has different outcomes to he and other around him. In Back to the Future one changed ended up changing Marty and his family's life albeit positively. In The Time Machine(2002 version) nothing Alexander does changes the fact that his fiance dies. In the Simpson's Tree House of Horror segment "Time and Punishment" every time Homer does something in pre-historic times changes the future. Now, in Timecop you can only go into the past because the future hadn't happened yet. And don't get me started on Hot Tub Time Machine. Anyhoo I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yes, time is relative.
Let me answer your question this. How is it possible to change something that is predetermined? I mean, if I see a set of events which represents my life and how they happen, and then make decisions to change that set of linear events, then I didn't actually see how my life will happen. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense. I will try to explain differently if you want me to.
No that makes total sense. That's called determinism. Which basically means free will doesn't exist because of this paradox that you mention. However, the movie doesn't seem to suggest that things are predetermined (in it's own fictional world). It really is a crazy thing to think about either way.
Sideline Pictures, would there be a way to keep some things the way they are and change others or would changing one thing erase everything as you know it and create something different?
I don't think changing one thing would erase everything. Although if it created the change then is it really the future your seeing or just a possible version of the future? If it were the possible versions of the future, then you could make any changes you wanted and know how they played out instantly. Some would cause a ripple effect of massive change and others might barely change anything.
what is the distance between cause and effect? time. now since we know time is nothing but the movement of infinite ramifications of cause and effect, the next question is with regards to the question "is time linear/foreward only?": can present causes and conditions effect the past? if so, does that mean future me or us has just as much influence on us as we have on them? this is just getting way too weird! can we exist simultaneously in the past and future. are we both dead and alive at once? this thought pattern is taking me to weird places. I'm out.
You are wrong. Modern scientists do not distinguish between time and change. They are not the same. The ancient Greeks thought of time much differently. If your conception of time is wrong, you will encounter many problems.
so you don't believe in modern scientists who, according to you, "do not" distinguish between time and change? well I agree that they are indistinguishable; change is the criteria of time; they are one and the same. it is only through the movement of change that we can discern time; time is just another word for the dynamic of change, the dynamics of cause and effect and all the infinite ramifications inbetween. when cause turns to effect and vice versa this is known as time.
"If you knew how everything in your life was going to turn out, would you do things differently?" trying to do it right. so if i knew something will fail should i do it wrong, meaning fail from the beginning ?
If you knew how everything was going to turn out it would be, by definition, impossible for you to change anything. Think about it for a moment and it will be clear to you.
That's called determinism and it's kind of the paradox that the film flips over. Within the fictional world of the story, the film suggests that determinism is flexible.
Hey Mate, great video. Yesterday I watched the movie and it was awesome. Some of my friends don't like it as much as me, but I have to admit that I'm a huge SciFier not only when it comes to watching movies but exploring many topics and connections our life is open to. Earlier this year I finally made it to discover Einsteins special relativity theory more than I did before. It takes a lot of time to dive deep into it but it really elevates the mind onto another basis. My question to you or anyone reading this, is if you know sources (anyway scientific oder para-scientific/non-scientific/amateur-thesises) in which s.b. connects the two topics "linguistic relativity/Sapir-Whorf" and "Time Dilation" (see Einstein). Any replies are very welcome as they will lead to good discussions at least. Kind Regards Tobi
Yo Tobi, check out the Channels Isaac Newton and PBS Spacetime if you are into space and physics stuff. I however dont have any scientific sources on linguistics and time dialition. If you like reading or listening to SciFi, check out "the three body problem" , it just blew my mind a few month ago. Concerning time and language, I still don't see how those should work together, but I really really liked the movie, sound music actors writing, everything just prfct.
The take away from the film to me was about pre-internet thinking versus digital native networked thinking.People's knowledge is now a hyperlinked network operating system as opposed to previous generations who's knowledge was linear book oriented Dewey Decimal classification knowledge system,these are different ways of thinking. The aliens are us.
Even if she's portrayed as making a choice, doesn't mean she did have a choice and she has free will. Even if we didn't have free will, which is likely, we still appear to make choices everyday.
The statistics that your brain is rewired when you learn a different language follow a pattern. Basically when you want something to be there you find it.
Yes, at 4:50 it's from Romania, I recognise the benches, it looks like Cişmigiu Park in Bucharest. They used a random clip at the end. I know, the movie wasn't filmed in Romania.
I speak several languages yet the best language is the one I can't speak at all, it has no alphabet, nor sound pronounciation, it just is. In order to understand what I am trying to say imagine Lucy and how we see those digital/numerical lines when she wants to spy on the Police, and once she realizes wich line it is that is where she puts her attention. As spiritual beings we have no language, we hear what everyone feels and thinks, it is a language interprated based on the emotions not by sound and letters. As for time time is just like the Atom on the regard which if we pay attention to it it moves slower, yet when we do not pay attention to time it has a way of moving faster. Atoms move organized only when we look at them, otherwise their movement is seen as unorganized . People that are in jail, people that are in a horrible date, party, job etc look at the time all the time yet time seems to slow down, yet be on an enviroment you like and enjoy and time seems to go in the blink of an eye. The only language we need is the emotional language which we see through none physical eyes since the physical eyes do limit what we see and that messages is further changed and filtered by the time it reaches our brain. We are a conscious energy that has no beginning, no end, it can change form but it can not be destroyed.
I disagree, the movie shows that time is circle, an event always happens and regardless of you being able to see future events. you will always complete the cycle, it's like a flipbook, every frame is already on the paper, if a person in a frame knows what will happen in the next, there is nothing he can do to change what will happen when the page is flipped. That's why there is no paradox in the movie, And why aliens need the humans help. What ever threat the aliens face, there is nothing they can do to stop it with out the humans. So the movie actually subscribes to the philosophy of hard determinism, there is no such thing as autonomy
It's interesting because after seeing it a second time I'm still on the fence about where the movie is landing in regards to determinism. It really does feel like a choice the way the movie portrays it, but the underlying thread is that "choices" are not what we think they are. Perhaps, they are trying to show the complicated emotional nature of at work there. She FEELS like she's making a choice, but she's not really. Kind of like we all FEEL like we're making choices every day (and we are) but they're determined by something out of our control and harder to comprehend, and much harder to feel.
exactly, when we only live in the present and don't see time the way the aliens do, it makes sense to act as people have autonomy, because we don't have the predictive powers to know the how smallest chemical change, or stray atom will affect how humans will act, but when we can see the outcome of how all these processes will end up, it is almost impossible to act as if we have more autonomy then even non living objects.
There's a great quote, which I wish I could remember who it's by, that says "We have this concept of questioning the reality of God or the existence of a connected pretense in the world. Really, all that stuff... the universe and everything in it... is real. The psychological phenomenon that is your 'consciousness' is the thing that isn't real. It's a trick, you're just a sum of your inputs."
This is an invitation to see an artist theory on the nature of time as a universal process of energy exchange with an emergent future relative to the atoms of the periodic table (us). In this theory ‘time’ is a creative process not just a process of decay or entropy. In such a theory the Planck's constant ħ= h/2π is a constant of action in the process that forms the continuum of time. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π represents the same uncertainty we have with any future event with the future unfolding photon by photon with each new photon electron coupling or dipole moment!
If you now the language 1000 years in future doesn't it means that you are already in future does it means what see saw was her past because she is already in future
No thats not correct we have a linear language.. but the aliens language was non-linear for them past future and past happening simultaneously ..so that's how it's happened
*MALFORMED QUESTION:* *"If you knew how everything in your life was going to turn out would you change it?"* *Obviously the answer depends on many variables the least not being "I guess it depends on whether you approve of how your life will turn out."* *For me, no. Because I already know how the rest of my life turns out & I approve.*
how do you know how the rest of your life is gonna turn out? or do you mean you are gonna accept what ever happens in your life when ever you are shown it hypothetically...
@@daniboiyy *Thank you for asking. My personal belief is, regardless if I live through the coming great tribulation & Armageddon (God's day of destruction of wicked/disobedient humans), OR if I die & am later physically resurrected here on this Earth, I, as a Christian witness of Jehovah God will ultimately continue to live forever here on a restored paradise Earth long after all human death, aging, sickness, crime, war, hunger, homelessness, etc are done away with at the hands of my Savior & King, Jesus the Christ the son of Jehovah God.* *Therefore, any & all hardships that may befall me now is ultimately temporary in comparison to the length of life I will enjoy (hundreds of thousand of years, millions of years, billions of years, eternity, etc, etc) here on a paradise Earth, inventing & creating fantastic new things, acquiring new skills, after I have fathered many children & enjoyed countless meals & laughter & exciting experiences with my friends & family & be reunited with my loved ones that have died in the past because the King is due to resurrect them here on Earth in young healthy bodies & minds. Yes, I know how the rest of my life turns out & I will always do my best to maintain my integrity regardless how difficult it may become. Until then I am in imperfect man doing his best to be a blessing to others & grow in every way possible.* *Liberty = Peace & I pray you & your loved ones will always enjoy both!* Consider visiting JW.org
DarkCrown yes it is... each and every individual and living thing experiences time differently and it is all one happening you can research this yourself if you don't believe me
I don't care about the relativity of time or how you and I might perceive it, I only care about the true nature of time itself. Using our flawed peception to discard the notion completely and even call it an illusion is a ridicoulously poor argument. One that everyone seems all too happy to believe and spread around as if shouting in victory ; '' Time is not complicated anymore, its just an illusion!!''. I'm well aware of everything thats being said about time in either documentaries or articles and I'm not conviced by it one bit. You seem to accept this view of time as fact, with all the vague and questionnable reasoning that supports it, but I suggest you challenge those beliefs the same way you challenge the existence of time.
DarkCrown makes a good point. While it might be possible that something exists beyond the dimension of time, that doesn't necessarily make it an illusion. Our perception of relative time can definitely be considered an illusion. The actual amount of units of time that pass is based in physical reality and not our perception of it. Interesting stuff to think about. Thanks for the comments.
We don't actually perceive time because time isn't a thing that occurs or exists in the physical universe. What we perceive is change that appears either linear or cyclic. The idea we invent to discuss such change we call time but whenever we talk about time passing or the rate at which is does so we refer to change. When we choose a clock we pick a cyclic process on which we are willing to rely and to which we compare all other change. In the absence of a physical clock we really start to see that time is subjective. This is where ideas like 'time flying' or ' time dragging' come about. When time flies it's because we don't want anything to change but it does. When time drags it's because we want things to change but they don't seem to. And in the end all we ever experience is this present moment.
Nonsensical question. If your life is predetermined nothing you could do nothing that would change that predetermined series of events. If your life is not predetermined but you could see the course of your life if you decide to make a change at best you could see one step into the future and the possible decisions open to you at that point. Even if you saw the courses of your life open to you from making those revealed options you'd have to have a mind capable of recognizing the results of all those options, which none of us do. Short from long: if you life is predetermined, it is predetermined and out of your control; if you life is not predetermined the end result leaves a path to it that is as unknowable as the end result.
The future is uncertain, when people retire, what they have left is the experiences of life. What did you do? What were the results of your actions? What would you do differently? At that moment we realize if what happened in our lives was right or wrong. We can't turn back time to do things differently, it's too late. We have to learn to live with it. Good, bad, right, or wrong. The day you know you're going to die you'll be thinking about what was left in the bucket that you never managed to do. To people you didn't see to tell them, I'm sorry. That's why people would give what they don't have to live life, but with the experience that they have right now. Again, too late.
Everything is governed by Law of Karma + Freewill! It's quite strange that sometimes we can't do anything in an event ongoing to change and sometimes we can change it by our own actions. It can only be explained by the complex system of Karma and Freewill! Arrival shows a really good example of logogram language and a non-linear time. We need to expand our thoughts and concepts of life and universe to understand it better! There's something extra-terrestrial, super-intelligent beings which we never encountered just because of our communication gap. People need to connect, understand and unite more for the wellbeing of each and every sentient beings in this infiniverse! :)
Language influences the thought process, so similar is in case of understanding the language of aliens by a lady who visualises the future with time perception. Although the language is in circles, she figures out the meaning of words. it is all matter of cognition, interpretation of circles and perception of their meanings. I have given this movie rating 4 because she visualises the future that is unrealistic.
language and culture are interlinked.... you could say that all human languages operate on similar cognitive mechanisms. but who knows what else could be possible. It would be arrogant of us to say that all languages would work as ours does.
There are actually studies showing that a bilingual brain works differently than that of someone who speaks only one language fluently. That is with most human languages having similar origins of perception, so it's plausible that learning a language from another species/dimension could open up our perception. Not provable either way really, but certainly interesting to think about.
Well I guess that I would try to get just one really special young lady in my life for one thing.My mother,and my maternal grandfather were the most special people in my life,but they,really gone now.My sister got married two times,but I never did,so I,ve felt a little left out at times.I,m Aaron attractive young man,but that never seemed to really help,and sometimes I really didn,t know what to say anyway.I prayed for over 37 years for God to send me a really special uoung lady,but for some reason he didn,t.Oh well,I guess that it,s mostly God,s Will.
they made a two hour movie from a 50 page story and the BOOK WAS BETTER! Duuuuude. The movie missed out the deeper substance. But i liked the movie anyway. They shoulda throwin in a negligee scene with Amy Adams. I was Soooo expecting at least that much!
Judaism believes in free will AND Fate working together. God knows what will happen, but HE restricts his knowledge of events. The rest you need to study Kabbalah (Jewish Mysticism) to understand.
You didnt explain shit bro... sorry.. u just put a bunch of what some scientist have said and yes i like that you did that but you didnt explain it in a much simpler way for many others to get... ill just make a vid..
Go for it, I wasn't setting out to explain anything in the most simple terms. I was setting out to explain the concepts briefly mentioned in the movie more in depth without going overboard. Post a link when you make your vid, I'd love to see it!
well, not everyone has critical thinking... try to look beyond what YOU would like a movie to be. Keep in mind that some movies get dumbed down so the film makers can get the majority of people to understand what's going on, but not so much that it's spoon fed to you
I watched the film a while back and It still makes me wonder about our existence. Love films like this one.
All I have to do is contemplate a seed growing into a tree and the fact that we have not discovered the end of the universe.
@@orangewarm1 i just wanna know how a black hole is the center of our Universe
@@Eudjier who said it was? Ive never heard it
There's the saying "time flies when you're having fun" but that's because you're not paying attention to the time.
Its a topic which fascinates me since childhood ... much appreciated video
Great piece and thought provoking! I think I'd still go with my future, because in the present moment that would be like a gut feeling with an actual direction and outcome.
I think it'd be hard to stick with that. You'd be making that decision over and over again forever (or all at once?). Definitely makes you wonder though, I think I'd rather not know.
If you knew how your life would play out, it would be non-linear. In non-linear time, there is no choice, everything is predeterminded. So even if you wanted to change something, you couldn't. Choice would be an illusion.
How do you know that the change you intentionally make was not supposed to be made? That's the thing. Every choice you make leads down a path, that path may be predetermined and your choices are only illusions. Later you can say "yes, but id I would have chosen the other way..." well you didn't...
@Language and Programming Channel in that process you would have create.. a parrallel universe
The last question voids itself, doesn't it? It's almost like asking, "if you knew you were going to die one day, would you still want to live?" My basic takeaway from the film is to squeeze the juice out of the lemon that is life. If every day were a choice not to off yourself, at least have some lemonade while you're at it.
Good lemonade making skills
"Determinism and the existence of Free Will - do we really have control over the choices we make, or are they predetermined by an incredibly complex series of events prior to making that choice"
In 2009 I published a book which, ultimately, leads to a suggestion as to how Deterministic Laws, Free Will (Conscious Intent) and Time (the viscous-type behavior of the second law of Thermodynamics/Entropy) not just coexist but, are perhaps woven together to form a future which incorporates the 'Intent of the Free Will-er'. Meaning, is it possible that our intent affects future outcomes while at the same time preserving fundamental Universal Laws/Values.
In the mechanism which I described, Free Will has far more influence than I ever imagined in that I suggest Quantum Uncertainty is akin to Deterministic Chaos - it only looks random/chaotic. It is likely that the randomness of particle outcomes are in fact deliberate, so that Free Will's interference of Deterministic Laws/values are balanced-out. This alludes to the notion that the Universe's sole goal is to support the existence of Free Will, not Determinism...."we are an investment in consciousness, the golden thread of free will, sewn - interaction by interaction - into the fabric of reality"
I think you can download a free PDF copy on GoogleBooks.
www.amazon.com/If-We-Are-Anything-Consciousness/dp/B00EEQF574
books.google.com.au/books?id=wLgPY5YL4VQC&pg=PT177&lpg=PT177&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false
That's awesome. It doesn't look like the book is available, but I like that perspective.
I think that what Louisa Banks is living is far more complicated than time travel as we imagine it. I think she starts to perceive her lifetime in a non-linear way, different to what we perceive living in three dimension. Therefore, is not that she starts traveling in time, instead she starts to experience different moments of her life at the same time and I don’t think she’ is able to change those events. (BTW, I’m already experiencing a moment from my future life where nobody likes this comment lol 😝) Love this movie!
But there are a few events that would change. The Asian guy tells Louise something in the future that only he knew his wife said. Since she tells him before the incident it would change the future. However lets ignore it because its a movie.
@@jerrymeeks8257 Both the Chinese General and her got the ability to perceive non linear time. That's why they have that akward conversation "in the future" where he tells her exactly what she has to tell him in "the past". It's very likely the Chinese General experienced the same as her as his team tried to communicate with the aliens but he was doubtful of their intentions so it wasn't until he got his own message from his "future self" that he belived what the aliens were saying. The Chinese General used her as a messanger to deliver a message to himself. As BorreLira said above, they aren't changing the future, it cannot be changed, they are just becoming aware of it. Their future was always set for them to meet and have that converstation, is the moment they become aware of that what completes the loop. The only difference between they and us is that we are trap in the illusion of free will because of linear time perception, while both the girl and the Chinese General are aware of the time-loop and they can experience it vividly.
Awesome thought provoking video craig -- jack and i saw this film over Thanksgiving weekend and we were floored. It was the kind of movie we always want a movie to be but usually never is! Loved your video on it- very cool thank you for making!
Thanks! I absolutely loved it too. I haven't been this surprisingly satisfied with a SciFi since Her.
I don't know if anyone has already made a comment like this. I think no matter what we do even if we wanted to try change the outcome of our future, everything we would do to try change it would eventually result in the outcome we wanted to change to begin with. Meaning it's pre determined because what we are seeing in the "future" has already happened right? Because time is relative. But because we don't know what events lead up to it, we think let's change that, not realising that we are actually going through those events that made up of the outcome. Or say we can change the events that lead up to it but the outcomes are fixed points in time.
That makes sense explained very clearly
3:36 Cooper's Interview at Planet Edmund
excellent video! good job man
Thank you! Wish I could pump out more of these type of videos. I have some in the works but I haven't been able to see any movies on opening night recently.
if you knew how your life was gonna turn out would you change it ? that question in itself presents a inescapable Paradox
"If you knew how everything in your life was going to turn out, would you do things differently?"
No, I'd ask: "Why?"
And if you did things differently, then you would still know how things turn out. So why change any of it?
Ok, now I HAVE to see True Detective.
Yes! It's so good!
if you're still alive, the choices you made are good
what about the effect you have on other people. the worth of your choices have to be measure on different levels, on your personal wellbeing, on the wellbeing of your family, your society and the planet. if you are putting positive output out there even in the smallest ways your life is meaningful. and only a meaningful life is worth living.
To answer your question "If you knew how everything in your life would turn out, would you change anything".
This is my answer: "Maybe i'd say my feelings more often, I - I don't know"
I think the question leaves no place for an answer.
"If you knew how your life will end, would you change anything?"
well, you already know (almost as if it was a past fact) that you your life will end a certain way.
you got to that end, precisely, by knowing it. if you didn't know it you might be able to change it on the way (which is the life we live in now).
With the perception of what happens in your whole life, you already made those decisions, and that's why you see it the way it is. You have info from the future, so you make decisions in the present accounting for it which lead you to the best future you could ever fathom. That's why this is the one single future you see.
nicely put! but i think i'd replace "know" with "believe" - and beliefs can change ;)
That's the circular struggle between determinism and free will that floats under the surface of this movie.
the past is known, the present is the experience here and dominant future paths are seen but the ending is undecided. keeping in mind that while everything is possible very little of that is probable in this simple way time would be percieved nonlinear yet free will preserved.
I just saw the movie today ( I know I'm late) and your video summarizes what's discussed in the movie really well!
It's always the 'late' people that end up being really early
My native language is French, but when I started learning English as a second language in my teen years, the 2 languages mingled with each other in my head. A lot of times, my thoughts and dreams would be in English even if it wasn't my natural go-to language, so it certainly "changed" something fundamentally. Sometimes I'll think of something to say in English first and then translate it back to French, often lousily, simply because I find English to be more to the point and descibes what I'm mean to say better. That's my experience anyway. I'm assuming having only one language would not lead to such problematics or frustrations seeing as you do not have the knowledge of an entire other language to make comparisons with.
As for the perception of time, I'm no physicist of course but it is my belief that Time is immuable (a perfectly straight line or circle even - I'll get back to that shortly). It is the fact that we do not know the future that gives us the illusion of free will, and thank god for that, because if you knew your entire life ahead of time then what would be the point of living it? Because you don't know, you remain under the strong impression of making choices everyday and you don't go about your life thinking you should or should not do certain things because they are predetermined. That's a completely absent thought in everyone's mind. In the movie, it might be made to look like Louise, knowing of the future, is making a choice so the viewers get a sense of meaningfulness in her decision, but is she really making one? I would answere "no" to that. It is again a deceptive illusion of choice.
I also have the belief that the Universe is one big time loop, and this is an actual theory (www.theguardian.com/education/2005/apr/14/research.highereducation1). In this scenario, the Universe is literally reborn from its own energy when the "big crunch" occurs and then repeats all over again. This would answer the 6 billion dollar question of what was there before the Universe and "who" created it. What was there before the Universe came into being? The Universe. The same one even. Who made it happen? Itself. But what was there BEFORE the loop, you ask? Well the answer will only make sense to people of understand how seemingly illogical time paradoxes can be and may not satisfy everyone. The answer? There is/was never any "before", or any "after" for that matter. That's the principle of "eternity" and of paradoxes always "being".
Nicely said. I was thinking the very thing you stated - given prior knowledge of one's entire life, what would be the point of living? It would be very boring, not to mention anxiety provoking knowing all the bad things to come. I too feel the life cycle of the universe is one giant loop - big band, demise of the universe, and the rebirth again - another big bang. Fascinating! Btw, multiple languages do effect our way of thinking. Like you, I think in one language at specific moments (influenced by culture) and then speak in another, and vice -a - versa. Also, trying to learn a 3rd language has also infiltrated my thought process and speaking. Again, fascinating!
Nice video. I admire your editing and work.
Great video keep it up
Thanks! I hope to get more consistent with these in the future. Only time will tell (since I can't read the future... yet).
I think a big part of the movie that is getting overlooked is that the movie asks the question "When would decisions be made if you could see the future and the past?" and "Does it matter when you make a decision if time isn't linear?". So I think your last question might be fundamentally flawed - if time is non-linear then there is no "future" for you to see.
To use a personal example, I'm married and we have a child. If time wasn't linear, it might be possible that I decided to marry my wife after seeing the child we had together, and realizing what needed to be done to ensure that child came into being. (If even one thing was changed, that child would not be born) Which is nonsensical to us because of how we perceive time (I can't decide today that I'm going to do what I did yesterday because yesterday already happened!), but if our perception of time was non-linear, then I could see the results of an action, then decide to take that action to achieve those results.
That Other Guy but it also calls the question of free will because you only see the result and not the action you took to get there. If you see a child you see a child. Not the woman you married to have it nor saying yes or no to the woman if she’s the one who purposes to have said child.
I understand your point. But let's say you were a being from a dimension where time isn't linear every possible decision you do eventually make would completely rewrite your timeline everytime a significant decision is made. One would have multiple futures he/she could access.
If you see the outcome, the choice has already been made. Therefore, you have no choice.
@@reinman1987cancer exactly 💯
The question is irrelevant because if you decided to change something x point in time that means you were always going to change there for you’re future is already the one you change. If that makes sense. The movie points out what happened will always be destined to happen.
Adding to this - Louise ' daughter still dies. This leads me to believe the movie implies that Louise is also an observer of her own life which is determined.
@@larryleisuresuit3566 I feel like its kinda how a higher dimensional being would perceive time then. You're whole life is just there for you to see, everything is all pre-determined. And you just are. I don't know how you would live like that though, since your life is both past, present, and future.
'Free Will' is the name given to an observed phenomenon whereas 'determinism' is a hypothesis.
The Future can Walk back in time and change the Present
I think the last part is misleaded, the deterministic depiction of the life that the language describes is based on the recursive succession of a determined equation of our behaviour, this as it happens with fractal figures describes the pattern that develop a extremely complex figure in different layers (say our behaviour as a whole in our entire life until now, the last month, the last week or the last minute defined by a really complex algorithm repeated continueally from an infinitecimal level to one of integers ), this in deed predict our future (deterministically) in different layers of time perception (the idea of what the alien language does is that depicts this pattern that our brain can handle and relate this periodicity with events past long ago or just effectuated) but it can't predict the outcome (our experience, that's which nails down memories and help us relate with change) because this depends on the environment upon that behaviour/algorithm acts to sustain our life amid high entropy. So all this says that contingency is always unpredictable but our memory is a tool that can be reconfigured to overcome past habits and that we have the last word about our present if we are aware to the important data.
This actually make sense, consider an adolescent who was constantly placed into juvenile detention, we can't predict what the outcome of his exact future will be but we can determine the directions his life may be headed because of the daily habits he has developed,
OMG, I would totally change things. But there's no way I could have known at the time and I made the best decisions I could with the information at hand.
Great analysis :)
I saw this movie yesterday and I liked it a lot.
And in answer to the question at the end there? I really don't know? It's a very weighty one indeed, isn't it? I think in the case of Amy Adams character (and without spoiling anything for anyone who hasn't seen the movie), I probably would have done the same.
Thanks! And it was great, I'm seeing it again soon. I agree that I would have made the same decision she did. Hard to say otherwise though. Makes you think though, doesn't it?
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It sure does :)
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Awesome, thank you! We'll be trying to make more videos like this as much as possible.
I wan't to see more vids!!
Thanks, more coming soon! We're working on ways to keep videos coming in between bigger projects. Recommendations and feedback welcome :)
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“TIME is the numerical order in which things change” 2:54
if speed equals distance divided by time, then time is merely duration of motion. It has no existence outside of matter.
Insofar as our choices affect the motion of matter, there are probable effects, but no verifiable certainties for the results of a choice, especially if one consider that the whole effect is a product of a multitude of dependent and independent choices and prior conditions. The laws of physics are relatively constant, but the outcome of multiple affects is cumulative and beyond ken.
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That was beautiful!
seeing as we dont yet know who we are or what we are it all remains theoretical,life remains the mystery that isn't and so complicated its simple
So, while no individual can know that they are dead, by definition, it is still true that individuals can know that OTHER individuals are dead. So, how could it time be totally relative, to other alien species? Is there not an absolute order of: not born, living, now dead?
It's a paradox isn't it. Different movies approach this. In The Butterfly Effect, different things Evan does has different outcomes to he and other around him. In Back to the Future one changed ended up changing Marty and his family's life albeit positively. In The Time Machine(2002 version) nothing Alexander does changes the fact that his fiance dies. In the Simpson's Tree House of Horror segment "Time and Punishment" every time Homer does something in pre-historic times changes the future. Now, in Timecop you can only go into the past because the future hadn't happened yet. And don't get me started on Hot Tub Time Machine. Anyhoo I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yes, time is relative.
Let me answer your question this. How is it possible to change something that is predetermined? I mean, if I see a set of events which represents my life and how they happen, and then make decisions to change that set of linear events, then I didn't actually see how my life will happen. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense. I will try to explain differently if you want me to.
No that makes total sense. That's called determinism. Which basically means free will doesn't exist because of this paradox that you mention. However, the movie doesn't seem to suggest that things are predetermined (in it's own fictional world). It really is a crazy thing to think about either way.
Sideline Pictures, would there be a way to keep some things the way they are and change others or would changing one thing erase everything as you know it and create something different?
I don't think changing one thing would erase everything. Although if it created the change then is it really the future your seeing or just a possible version of the future? If it were the possible versions of the future, then you could make any changes you wanted and know how they played out instantly. Some would cause a ripple effect of massive change and others might barely change anything.
Sideline Pictures do you think we have access to the 4th dimension?
what is the distance between cause and effect? time. now since we know time is nothing but the movement of infinite ramifications of cause and effect, the next question is with regards to the question "is time linear/foreward only?": can present causes and conditions effect the past? if so, does that mean future me or us has just as much influence on us as we have on them? this is just getting way too weird! can we exist simultaneously in the past and future. are we both dead and alive at once? this thought pattern is taking me to weird places. I'm out.
You are wrong. Modern scientists do not distinguish between time and change. They are not the same. The ancient Greeks thought of time much differently. If your conception of time is wrong, you will encounter many problems.
change is time; time is change; cause and effect is change; change is cause and effect. makes no difference to me.
so you don't believe in modern scientists who, according to you, "do not" distinguish between time and change? well I agree that they are indistinguishable; change is the criteria of time; they are one and the same. it is only through the movement of change that we can discern time; time is just another word for the dynamic of change, the dynamics of cause and effect and all the infinite ramifications inbetween. when cause turns to effect and vice versa this is known as time.
"If you knew how everything in your life was going to turn out, would you do things differently?"
trying to do it right. so if i knew something will fail should i do it wrong, meaning fail from the beginning ?
It's a pretty big mindtwister haha
If you knew how everything was going to turn out it would be, by definition, impossible for you to change anything. Think about it for a moment and it will be clear to you.
That's called determinism and it's kind of the paradox that the film flips over. Within the fictional world of the story, the film suggests that determinism is flexible.
@@sidelinepics yes exactl
Hey Mate, great video.
Yesterday I watched the movie and it was awesome. Some of my friends don't like it as much as me, but I have to admit that I'm a huge SciFier not only when it comes to watching movies but exploring many topics and connections our life is open to. Earlier this year I finally made it to discover Einsteins special relativity theory more than I did before. It takes a lot of time to dive deep into it but it really elevates the mind onto another basis. My question to you or anyone reading this, is if you know sources (anyway scientific oder para-scientific/non-scientific/amateur-thesises) in which s.b. connects the two topics "linguistic relativity/Sapir-Whorf" and "Time Dilation" (see Einstein). Any replies are very welcome as they will lead to good discussions at least.
Kind Regards
Tobi
Yo Tobi, check out the Channels Isaac Newton and PBS Spacetime if you are into space and physics stuff. I however dont have any scientific sources on linguistics and time dialition. If you like reading or listening to SciFi, check out "the three body problem" , it just blew my mind a few month ago.
Concerning time and language, I still don't see how those should work together, but I really really liked the movie, sound music actors writing, everything just prfct.
Time as we know it is only valid when we are in our bodies. Thought, for example, is not time bound and can help change things in the past.
You're saying that's what's in the movie right, not the case in real life
The take away from the film to me was about pre-internet thinking versus digital native networked thinking.People's knowledge is now a hyperlinked network operating system as opposed to previous generations who's knowledge was linear book oriented Dewey Decimal classification knowledge system,these are different ways of thinking.
The aliens are us.
damn
Even if she's portrayed as making a choice, doesn't mean she did have a choice and she has free will. Even if we didn't have free will, which is likely, we still appear to make choices everyday.
The statistics that your brain is rewired when you learn a different language follow a pattern. Basically when you want something to be there you find it.
not axactly
4:50 Hey, that clip is from Romania, right?
I believe that most of the picture was filmed in Quebec,Canada.But perhaps in thus particular video,the scene around 4:50 was maybe shot in Romanua.
I mean Romania.
Yes, at 4:50 it's from Romania, I recognise the benches, it looks like Cişmigiu Park in Bucharest. They used a random clip at the end. I know, the movie wasn't filmed in Romania.
Stock footage from vimeo :) This vid was made the day the movie released in theaters, so footage to edit with was limited.
Did the sound disappear? :(
I speak several languages yet the best language is the one I can't speak at all, it has no alphabet, nor sound pronounciation, it just is. In order to understand what I am trying to say imagine Lucy and how we see those digital/numerical lines when she wants to spy on the Police, and once she realizes wich line it is that is where she puts her attention. As spiritual beings we have no language, we hear what everyone feels and thinks, it is a language interprated based on the emotions not by sound and letters. As for time time is just like the Atom on the regard which if we pay attention to it it moves slower, yet when we do not pay attention to time it has a way of moving faster. Atoms move organized only when we look at them, otherwise their movement is seen as unorganized . People that are in jail, people that are in a horrible date, party, job etc look at the time all the time yet time seems to slow down, yet be on an enviroment you like and enjoy and time seems to go in the blink of an eye. The only language we need is the emotional language which we see through none physical eyes since the physical eyes do limit what we see and that messages is further changed and filtered by the time it reaches our brain. We are a conscious energy that has no beginning, no end, it can change form but it can not be destroyed.
That follows from one of the basic laws of Physics which states that:"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed,only changed in form."
Thank you
I disagree, the movie shows that time is circle, an event always happens and regardless of you being able to see future events. you will always complete the cycle, it's like a flipbook, every frame is already on the paper, if a person in a frame knows what will happen in the next, there is nothing he can do to change what will happen when the page is flipped. That's why there is no paradox in the movie, And why aliens need the humans help. What ever threat the aliens face, there is nothing they can do to stop it with out the humans. So the movie actually subscribes to the philosophy of hard determinism, there is no such thing as autonomy
It's interesting because after seeing it a second time I'm still on the fence about where the movie is landing in regards to determinism. It really does feel like a choice the way the movie portrays it, but the underlying thread is that "choices" are not what we think they are. Perhaps, they are trying to show the complicated emotional nature of at work there. She FEELS like she's making a choice, but she's not really.
Kind of like we all FEEL like we're making choices every day (and we are) but they're determined by something out of our control and harder to comprehend, and much harder to feel.
exactly, when we only live in the present and don't see time the way the aliens do, it makes sense to act as people have autonomy, because we don't have the predictive powers to know the how smallest chemical change, or stray atom will affect how humans will act, but when we can see the outcome of how all these processes will end up, it is almost impossible to act as if we have more autonomy then even non living objects.
There's a great quote, which I wish I could remember who it's by, that says "We have this concept of questioning the reality of God or the existence of a connected pretense in the world. Really, all that stuff... the universe and everything in it... is real. The psychological phenomenon that is your 'consciousness' is the thing that isn't real. It's a trick, you're just a sum of your inputs."
So, if she didn't move forward with Ian, then are you both saying that she would end up having a daughter with cancer, with another man?
Nope, he said yes and always was going to say yes.
heptapods = zen buddhists from outer space. ensō.
This is an invitation to see an artist theory on the nature of time as a universal process of energy exchange with an emergent future relative to the atoms of the periodic table (us). In this theory ‘time’ is a creative process not just a process of decay or entropy. In such a theory the Planck's constant ħ= h/2π is a constant of action in the process that forms the continuum of time. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π represents the same uncertainty we have with any future event with the future unfolding photon by photon with each new photon electron coupling or dipole moment!
If you now the language 1000 years in future doesn't it means that you are already in future does it means what see saw was her past because she is already in future
No thats not correct we have a linear language.. but the aliens language was non-linear for them past future and past happening simultaneously ..so that's how it's happened
*MALFORMED QUESTION:*
*"If you knew how everything in your life was going to turn out would you change it?"*
*Obviously the answer depends on many variables the least not being "I guess it depends on whether you approve of how your life will turn out."*
*For me, no. Because I already know how the rest of my life turns out & I approve.*
how do you know how the rest of your life is gonna turn out? or do you mean you are gonna accept what ever happens in your life when ever you are shown it hypothetically...
@@daniboiyy *Thank you for asking. My personal belief is, regardless if I live through the coming great tribulation & Armageddon (God's day of destruction of wicked/disobedient humans), OR if I die & am later physically resurrected here on this Earth, I, as a Christian witness of Jehovah God will ultimately continue to live forever here on a restored paradise Earth long after all human death, aging, sickness, crime, war, hunger, homelessness, etc are done away with at the hands of my Savior & King, Jesus the Christ the son of Jehovah God.*
*Therefore, any & all hardships that may befall me now is ultimately temporary in comparison to the length of life I will enjoy (hundreds of thousand of years, millions of years, billions of years, eternity, etc, etc) here on a paradise Earth, inventing & creating fantastic new things, acquiring new skills, after I have fathered many children & enjoyed countless meals & laughter & exciting experiences with my friends & family & be reunited with my loved ones that have died in the past because the King is due to resurrect them here on Earth in young healthy bodies & minds. Yes, I know how the rest of my life turns out & I will always do my best to maintain my integrity regardless how difficult it may become. Until then I am in imperfect man doing his best to be a blessing to others & grow in every way possible.*
*Liberty = Peace & I pray you & your loved ones will always enjoy both!*
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When I was on the air I could estimate time very well, in that always-on DJ state. 12 years later, very poorly. Context. Situation.
If I didn't like where my life was headed then, yes, I would change it.
time is an illusion!!!!
No it isn't...
DarkCrown yes it is... each and every individual and living thing experiences time differently and it is all one happening you can research this yourself if you don't believe me
I don't care about the relativity of time or how you and I might perceive it, I only care about the true nature of time itself.
Using our flawed peception to discard the notion completely and even call it an illusion is a ridicoulously poor argument. One that everyone seems all too happy to believe and spread around as if shouting in victory ; '' Time is not complicated anymore, its just an illusion!!''.
I'm well aware of everything thats being said about time in either documentaries or articles and I'm not conviced by it one bit.
You seem to accept this view of time as fact, with all the vague and questionnable reasoning that supports it, but I suggest you challenge those beliefs the same way you challenge the existence of time.
DarkCrown makes a good point. While it might be possible that something exists beyond the dimension of time, that doesn't necessarily make it an illusion. Our perception of relative time can definitely be considered an illusion. The actual amount of units of time that pass is based in physical reality and not our perception of it.
Interesting stuff to think about. Thanks for the comments.
We don't actually perceive time because time isn't a thing that occurs or exists in the physical universe. What we perceive is change that appears either linear or cyclic. The idea we invent to discuss such change we call time but whenever we talk about time passing or the rate at which is does so we refer to change.
When we choose a clock we pick a cyclic process on which we are willing to rely and to which we compare all other change. In the absence of a physical clock we really start to see that time is subjective. This is where ideas like 'time flying' or ' time dragging' come about. When time flies it's because we don't want anything to change but it does. When time drags it's because we want things to change but they don't seem to.
And in the end all we ever experience is this present moment.
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Nonsensical question. If your life is predetermined nothing you could do nothing that would change that predetermined series of events. If your life is not predetermined but you could see the course of your life if you decide to make a change at best you could see one step into the future and the possible decisions open to you at that point. Even if you saw the courses of your life open to you from making those revealed options you'd have to have a mind capable of recognizing the results of all those options, which none of us do. Short from long: if you life is predetermined, it is predetermined and out of your control; if you life is not predetermined the end result leaves a path to it that is as unknowable as the end result.
i feel like when need to make this a real language
Like Klingon or the Elven language of Middle Earth.
OK, so I'll go first.
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The future is uncertain, when people retire, what they have left is the experiences of life. What did you do? What were the results of your actions? What would you do differently? At that moment we realize if what happened in our lives was right or wrong. We can't turn back time to do things differently, it's too late. We have to learn to live with it. Good, bad, right, or wrong. The day you know you're going to die you'll be thinking about what was left in the bucket that you never managed to do. To people you didn't see to tell them, I'm sorry. That's why people would give what they don't have to live life, but with the experience that they have right now. Again, too late.
Everything is governed by Law of Karma + Freewill!
It's quite strange that sometimes we can't do anything in an event ongoing to change and sometimes we can change it by our own actions. It can only be explained by the complex system of Karma and Freewill!
Arrival shows a really good example of logogram language and a non-linear time. We need to expand our thoughts and concepts of life and universe to understand it better! There's something extra-terrestrial, super-intelligent beings which we never encountered just because of our communication gap. People need to connect, understand and unite more for the wellbeing of each and every sentient beings in this infiniverse! :)
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Language influences the thought process, so similar is in case of understanding the language of aliens by a lady who visualises the future with time perception. Although the language is in circles, she figures out the meaning of words. it is all matter of cognition, interpretation of circles and perception of their meanings. I have given this movie rating 4 because she visualises the future that is unrealistic.
Can you help me with some questions about the movie
@@simonk8521 whats your question?
Her time-perception became non-linear when she started thinking the way the aliens do. Sci-fi sure but really really cool with how the movie was done.
I speak several languages and I don't get to see the future haha. Languages do not change you perception, culture does!
language and culture are interlinked.... you could say that all human languages operate on similar cognitive mechanisms. but who knows what else could be possible. It would be arrogant of us to say that all languages would work as ours does.
seriekekomo you're a bum so it doesn't count
There are actually studies showing that a bilingual brain works differently than that of someone who speaks only one language fluently. That is with most human languages having similar origins of perception, so it's plausible that learning a language from another species/dimension could open up our perception. Not provable either way really, but certainly interesting to think about.
I would I would change it to 100%
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Well I guess that I would try to get just one really special young lady in my life for one thing.My mother,and my maternal grandfather were the most special people in my life,but they,really gone now.My sister got married two times,but I never did,so I,ve felt a little left out at times.I,m Aaron attractive young man,but that never seemed to really help,and sometimes I really didn,t know what to say anyway.I prayed for over 37 years for God to send me a really special uoung lady,but for some reason he didn,t.Oh well,I guess that it,s mostly God,s Will.
they made a two hour movie from a 50 page story and the BOOK WAS BETTER! Duuuuude. The movie missed out the deeper substance. But i liked the movie anyway. They shoulda throwin in a negligee scene with Amy Adams. I was Soooo expecting at least that much!
The book was amazing. Hard to extrapolate that into a 2-hour movie
too fast too explain
Mispronouncing "Denis." Pass.
We're American. What do you expect? 😂
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Judaism believes in free will AND Fate working together. God knows what will happen, but HE restricts his knowledge of events. The rest you need to study Kabbalah (Jewish Mysticism) to understand.
You didnt explain shit bro... sorry.. u just put a bunch of what some scientist have said and yes i like that you did that but you didnt explain it in a much simpler way for many others to get... ill just make a vid..
Go for it, I wasn't setting out to explain anything in the most simple terms. I was setting out to explain the concepts briefly mentioned in the movie more in depth without going overboard. Post a link when you make your vid, I'd love to see it!
This is so cringey, it ruined the whole film for me.
MisterPlanetarian wtf lol why?
well, not everyone has critical thinking... try to look beyond what YOU would like a movie to be. Keep in mind that some movies get dumbed down so the film makers can get the majority of people to understand what's going on, but not so much that it's spoon fed to you