The Struggles of Being a New Player in Destiny 2
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What is Destiny 2 like as a complete beginner? In this video, my friend Soup tries Destiny for the first time ever. Seeing the game through his perspective, this video investigates the current state of the new player experience in Destiny 2.
Is the new player experience really as bad as people say? Will my friend quit within the first few hours, or will he fall in love with the game and continue playing it for years? Watch and find out.
There were some wins, some losses and a lot of confusion, but overall we had some awesome experiences along the way. Huge shoutout to @SoupRS for partaking in this experiment, and if you're interested in Oldschool Runescape then definitely check out his content!
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Hi shadow, I also had the case of getting stuck without knowing how to do fast travel and I got stuck for 2 hours trying to find out how (I didn't get a notification about it at all like in the video). In the end I deleted the game and then at some point I tried to install it again and play again and everything worked fine from there (I just appeared where I had to fast travel to it) Today I am an experienced player with 3000+ hours in my arsenal
The first time I bought a new ability it was the rally barricade and it straight away told me to put it on even though he didn't explain to me what it was
50:03 it would be a good introduction to Ada 1 and armor synthesis if they had you go talk to her for shaders as well
It should be noted that destiny as a whole was designed to be played with a controller. Where the button layout is designed that you would explore it.
My cousin thats in high school came in to destiny 2, never played before, got addicted then realized everything he wanted to access was locked behind a paywall almost $200 to be exact and stopped playing. That is the new player experience imo
Yeah “free to play” is misleading marketing jargon. It’s a glorified demo. Free to try is more accurate.
When I first found D2 I thought it was legitimately F2P. I made a post on the subreddit asking them what DLC's they recommend after I realized all the coolest shit was locked behind a paywall. A lot of Bungie boot-lickers got oddly offended by me calling it a paywall. And I got downvoted to shit. Never booted up the game again.
@Imspacelordmotha102 Depends on what you wanna play. My blueberry friend has become an avid D2-fan these last few months. You can play hours upon hours of Crucible, Strikes and Gambit. Most Dungeons are locked and he can't play any campaign or seasonal content, so from a story wise perspective you're very much correct
so glad you didnt get him to buy that $20 humble bundle with all the expansions lmao saved the kid from a lifelong addiction
humble bundle, ez
Genuinely had a blast playing! Apologies if my noobieness caused any frustrations (theres a finisher??!!?) I don't know how qualified I am to give tips for a game like this, but I hope my feedback and suggestions help in one way or another. I'll without a doubt hop onto the game again! Thanks again to Shadow for having me!
You were amazing man! I'm glad you are gonna keep on playing!
oh soup didn't expect to see you, I hope you continue to enjoy the game! and we need more guardians for the final shape.
It happens there's alot you have to learn/poke around/drill into muscle memory. My new light g/f has been slowly chipping away picking up on things.
Thank you for giving d2 a try man it made 7 year d2 veteran in me so happy
Oh man, all your struggles are so familiar to me! I spent my first year or so trying to learn it entirely solo and it's something I just have to laugh about now -- especially since I'm still learning things that other people take for granted. 😂 I'm so glad you had enough fun that you'll come back!
I will never understand how I am supposed to get invested in the game without it past content being available that alone will make me never paly
This. I could probably deal with how unfriendly it is, it would take time but i could learn. The fact i will never truly understand the story because of their decision to delete past expansions and content is just a massive turn off. It's a real shame because the world looks like it could be interesting to apart of.
@@eleanorgreywolfe5142 You'd have to play Destiny 1 to understand all of it. Frankly, anything that hasn't come out in the last year matters very little to anything going on right now - that's the basic structure of every D2 DLC.
There are tiny scraps of this "overarching story" in previous DLCs, mostly hidden within lore cards. The exception being Witch Queen, where the ~6h campaign has some significant lore.
As someone who played over 2k hours of D1 and D2 combined, don't waste your time. Bungie simply doesn't care about you as a player.
@@Doppelier i disagree deeply, mainly because of Character Building and World building, how are people supposed to know which character is significant, why they are who they are and why we do what we do. If we had a straight progression from the Red War until now, like a clear playble storyline, all of this would be good, but new player atm wont know why Zavala is so cool and important, who Cayde-6 was and why he was beloved, or even why the events were significant to what is happening right now. Sure you got the cutscene at the beginning helps slightly but it is nothing compared to what the story would be if you could play through it all. And the fact that you can play all of the campaigns that are still in the game fully out of order thus ruining the story experience by confusing you even more. D2 has big problems in terms of world and character building, the gameplay is fun dont get me wrong but as a person who likes to be invested in stories D2 is one of the most impossible games stories to follow. I still dont understand how it took em over 5 years to add party searching for raids, which are significant to the story in most cases.
@@vee_or_something the story simply doesn’t matter to bungie. Over the years, dlcs became a messy stitching of “oh no, look at this new bad guy”. The coolest thing they had, which was the hive, was thrown under the bus for a mediocre plot twist when they needed player engagement.
Same with Cayde.
So, to reiterate, nothing that came out before the current expansion has any bearing on why these characters are doing what they’re doing.
Gaul didn’t matter - neither did Oryx, Riven, Uldren or any of the hundreds of forgettable subplot villains they came up with over the years.
The story is irrelevant, because all of it simply happens to drive player interaction. It wasn’t always irrelevant, but bungie has made it so, unfortunately.
@@Doppelier tbf i started back when forsaken released (when we got the first 3 campaigns for free) and while Red War didnt explain in detail what happend in D1 (which is fine considering i new started with the 2nd installment of a game series), it created a good starting point to understand the universe and such.
Now it doesnt have that anymore, at least not in the extend that would be needed for many new lights to get eased into the game
Imo the game doesnt have to lay out everything ever happend in the story (like i said it is the 2nd installment), but it should have a definite starting point for new players, that i dont feel it has right now, because there are only be a bunch of random quests to do, but they are no substitute for a campaign
Default open mic with no warning is the most unaware disaster I have seen. Great vid format!
I forgot I had open mic after doing a raid last night, and was talking with my friends in discord, when someone responed to a question I asked my friend. I died and combat loged lol.
Remember back in D1 and the first 2 years of D2 when you needed to be at a certain level to do certain activities and use specific gear, accidentally creating a progression path for players without confusing them in the process?
I feel like legendary weapons are less than legendary since they're just the default weapons after getting a few to getting all and only légendairies
@@MediaCastleXagreed, i recentlu started playing d1 and its WAYYY harder
I just got d1 for my Xbox after years of not playing it and just having that whole package is great to go back to and yes I agree,it was so much harder and you really did have to go through your progression. Starting fresh on d1 has been a breath of fresh...old?....air?😅😅
@@MediaCastleXAgreed , Weapon rarity outside of legendary and above is meaningless after 1 hour of playing for the first time / anyone who doesn’t need to play the new light quest that has a character from years ago
Remember in D1 when legendaries felt so rewarding to get because of their rarity? Now they just get handed out
I will always remember when I tried Destiny 2 about 2 years ago and one of the very first things an ambient npc said in the tower was something like "Its a shame Cayde is dead." and I was like what? I literally just met him 30 seconds ago.
This is what happens when you don't update everything for the story, or keep how things react to where a player is in the story.
D2's story is notoriously convoluted and BADLY done.
this right here it shows how bad are they updating their game
What?!? Cayde is dead?!? I’ve literally been playing destiny for years and own all the dlc except for forsaken. He died? 😂 he will be back in the final shape. So possibly new players won’t even know he died at all.
@@Nempo13 shit happens when you count $$$ for new expansion without caring about coherence, because f*ck newcomers and milk veterans. Soon you will wake up knowing your player base is in trouble since people leave games whole time, but there is nobody to replace them.
I played for a few years and I couldn't tell you what my guardian rank is
I've got a story to tell.
Back when Destiny 2 was on Blizzard Battle Net, I decided to try Destiny 2, since I received it for free. I had already played Destiny 1 so I had a good idea of what I was doing. I started playing, made my character, did the opening mission, lost my light, got my light back, and got a ship. I followed the story, explored a few planets, found Zavala, got to Io, found Ikora, and right when I found her, I stopped. I don't remember why I stopped, but I think it's because I didn't have any other friends to play with, and there were other games to play, so I didn't get too invested in Destiny 2 but I remember having fun with what I experienced. Titan was my favorite planet for sure cause I loved the constant rainstorms and endless oceans.
Fast forward a year and a half and a good friend of mine started playing Destiny 2, he asked me to download it to play with him, and I did. The first thing I got hit with on my already created character, was a cutscene and I was automatically loaded into a mission in an icy place. I had no clue what was happening but I followed it anyway, did the mission, saw varix in a cutscene, and as soon as the mission ended, I got a pop-up telling me to buy the dlc. I was utterly confused. On top of that, the game that ran with very few problems (minor stuttering sometimes) now could barely run on the same pc I used before. I tried to find out how to continue the red war mission I was doing a year and a half ago, and I couldn't find anything in game, not to mention everything looked like how a near sighted person sees without glasses, so that didn't help.
I googled what happened to the red war missions, and I found the Destiny Content Vault. Finding out the campaign that I relatively enjoyed, and the different places I liked exploring, just not existing anymore, scorned me forever. On top of that, because the game ran so poorly, I couldn't join any strike missions, because I would freeze and lag out every time. I immediately uninstalled Destiny.
Fast forward another year and a half (or so), I have a new computer that can run the game, and the same friend that wanted me to play before, bought me the dlc. I play with him through four full seasons, and I see that nothing has changed. I still can't play the red war, I still can't do any older content, and on top of all that, I couldn't do the season of the risen, haunted, plunder, and seraph, despite the fact that they came out and said they would stop sunsetting old content. It was impossible to farm for old seasonal red borders during seasons 20 and 21, and farming for them through the weekly exotic mission rotator takes so long that it's not worth playing through those missions beyond getting the 2 guaranteed red borders, each week, and also I still can't get season of plunder weapons, and even then, I've stopped doing the weekly missions altogether, because unlocking all the red borders needed through the 2 guaranteed red borders each week takes so long that I've just stopped caring.
Out of those 3 exotic missions, Operation: Seraph's Shield is by far the most fun mission for me. I love it. Anything dealing with Rasputin is fun for me. But finally being able to play Operation: Seraph's Shield, made me realize even more, how much I want to play the old content, that doesn't exist anymore. That hurts. Every time I think about it, it hurts, and I'll feel that way every time I play Destiny 2, and I have no reason to believe it'll ever change.
I had no idea about the Timeline feature when I played. That would have been so ridiculously helpful when I tried this.
I had no idea about guardian ranks, that would have been so so helpful for giving me direction.
I had no idea there were cinematic quests, I did the savathun quest then got paywalled, the planet with green powers then got paywalled, then the frosty planet with stasis powers then got paywalled. I felt like the "Free to play" tag was put on the game because it *barely* qualified as free to play with every campaign having a taste demo and then refusing to let me play any actual game. I couldn't trust there was any worthwile content past those paywalls to bother looking any further
You know what is worse than being a new player?
Being an old player, 3 expansions behind, then coming back. You end up with a vault full of useless items, not knowing what to do, you have to pay for 3 expansions and then a battle pass to get all content. It's the only thing stopping me coming back and I love this game.
Perhaps even worse depending what type of 'old player' you are. Like if you found out that a bunch of the DLC you paid for had been removed. 'Yeah, hey, buy all this new stuff to catch up! Give us money! Forget about all this stuff you gave us money for before, it's not relevant, we're just clearing up space! We don't care if you enjoyed any of it, we brought in a bunch of old D1 content (you also probably paid for) and shoved a bunch of modern stuff in it! Like Champions! Everyone LOVES champions, right? Everyone loves having their loadout dictated by arbitrary seasonal rotation, right?'
@@robertsanders4575 Yeah and I can understand if they want to rotate content to get money for development, as it's impossible in a free game model otherwise, but to remove the content you paid for and not have it in some kind of legacy vault for you to play if you paid for it is horrible. Especially when they could charge newer players for older content too. Makes no sense. I would love to come back and play some more, especially for the PVP which I think is one of the most fun twitch combats around, but I'm not being fleeced for the grind with an expansion or two, then being told I need a battle pass for the full content, then being told my old stuff isn't worth anything, then being told if I don't buy the new stuff I can't continue to play. It's all a bit shady.
@robertsanders4575 This is exactly what happened to me, I bought DLC's but life got busy and I had bad internet and couldn't play much for several years. Came back to half of my money being spent on nothing because it was all removed.
That's why I won't come back
This is FAX
My favorite “oh” moment from my first moment in Destiny is that when I got my sparrow, i drove it around and it blew up. Afterwards I tried to respawn it and it was in cooldown. This made me think I had a limited number of sparrows so I tried to save them by never using them. Didn’t use one until someone explained they are infinite
Daaamn bro 😂
LMAO
lol damn 😂
damn😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂that's Soooo F#ckin Dumb😅😅
I remember starting back when guardians had to get their light back and save the traveler from Gaul. At that time I never felt lost during my 50h of gameplay
My game group tried it on a whim last year when we realized that Darktide didn’t get much better after the beta. One of the guys quit the game in frustration after an hour because none of us could figure out how anything actually worked. The rest of us didn’t last much longer than him
The experience for brand new players is genuinely awful and it's a shame that the gunplay is in a game that seems to not want you to play it
Same. We switched to warframe. Never looked back.
I really felt when he said “The story is so confusing it makes me not even want to pay attention” even my veteran friends who have been playing since Rise of Iron have no clue what happens in the story. The lore community that cares for the story is sadly a very small population and with the direction the game is going it probably forever will be
I’ve been playing since before the dark below, I get lost every now and then, especially with how disconnected the storyline is now
That's me
The game's lore problem is all the cool stuff is happening off-screen. I remember playing with a friend and he was lore dumping me about what lead up to the strike we were going through. He was doing this because I was complaining about how the game seems to keep mystery boxing me.
Even BYF had kind of a meltdown while trying to piece together Lightfall Story video
Game had a great lore, when the game was good...
I quit the game the moment they started cutting content and never looked back. Every time I would get an itch to go back, I immediately remembered that a lot of my favorite missions are gone forever, and that itch was gone.
Same I enjoyed the game so much back then, but now it feels so empty. I honestly had more of a blast with Destiny 1
Yeah I put 1 thousand ish hours in destiny 2 but it felt null if they could remove content I paid for
Same
Everytime I feel like I want to play again, I think about how much it'd cost (witch queen, 25 year anniversary pack and beyond light) and suddenly I don't feel like going back
Same here. My most favorite mission for getting an Outbreak Perfected weapon is gone and new players will never, never experience it. But it was so, so good to experience it myself... I am sad that everything I loved is now long gone and forgotten.
I remember playing destiny 2 for the first time around witch queen and getting the season of plunder and trying to play the first mission for it and it wouldn’t let me into the first mission! I had to play a beyond light mission to unlock Europa but I thought that it was saying that I had to buy beyond light to play the mission. Very confusing for new players and I felt pressured into buying a 30$ DLC to play the 10$ DLC I just got 5 mins ago. So I play the first couple of missions of beyond light to get my moneys worth and I log in the next day to it automatically launching me into the first seasonal mission and IT SOILED THE ENDING of beyond light. That was my new light experience in a nutshell.
They actually made the new player experience worse, starting off defending the Tower from a cabal attack>helping a D tier guardian fight a random wizard
The fact that one of the highlights of Soup's improvement after 10+ hours is "finally understands the menus" says so much about the state of this game
I have 800+ hours and still spam through them all before I find what Im looking for.
I have not played D2 since its launch and stopped before its first DLC. After seeing all this, its so damn overwhelming and needlessly complex. Besides that massive missing story gaps and what is even going on now. Somehow D2 is even messier now than when I finally left the game many years ago.
Redownloaded it, took a few mins trying to find what I was looking for in the menu, uninstalled because I found it all annoying
bro, I played warframe, it was fun gameplay, 2 years. never fully understood the game, yup, two years and still didn't grasp it fully. so D2 relatively seems less confusing lol
I tried installing destiny 2 a few months ago for the first time. I couldn't for the life of me figure out the menus. So I unistalled after 1 hour
In Soup's defense on the direction finding, a single marker like that on a compass is usually North...
But if that is the case, there is usually also small letters on or around the compass telling the direction with n, s, w and e.
@PhantomGardener , believe it or not, not in too meny. Usually, it's hard to see N in the mark
That is what I first thought
@@PhantomGardener Not really no. Unless it fits the aesthetic, its usually a little arrow
I thought that for a second since I've never played Destiny but the then I noticed the marker is blinking. It's clearly not North.
Yo, watching him experience things was so wholesome 🥺 I love this video. Thank you for shedding light on how the game is.
I just got two of my friends back into Destiny 2 and the first thing they suggested was a New/Returning Light Quest chain (or direct pointers of what quests to do if desired) to get them caught up on the story and as a type of play-along tutorial if necessary. It did not have to be super long or difficult, but something more directed and straightforward.
As an experienced guardian, I wish there was a "help a new light" option within the fire team finder. Somewhere a solo new light could go to ask an experienced player questions if they are stuck. It would be a great way to interact with the community outside of emotes and the super welcoming teabag
this is an incredible idea that ive been begging the devs for since fireteam finder was in beta. one can only dream
Sounds like voice chat…
I’d love to be able to help people like this
It exists... its called google
@@Rudgged theres no proximity chat
This video brought back some painful memories for me. I was a Destiny 2 veteran back then and had introduced the game to my girlfriend and a friend. This game had everything they would have loved. After essentially giving a class on how to play Destiny 2, my friend ultimately quit the game, and my girlfriend only played because I did. The whole time I tried explaining the game’s lore to them, I thought to myself, “I wish you could have played the Red War campaign.”
I wish the new player experience was much better. I wish I could play it with my friends and have them experience the same thing I experienced. It felt like such a huge loss. I can’t imagine what new solo players would feel. I haven’t touched the game since Lightfall. I didn’t even finish the campaign. I honestly miss it.
yes.. bungos biggest screw up was removing the Red War campaign, it is awesome and it would ease new players in, in a way that would actually keep them playing..
Oh man the feels. I just turned the game on today because I was missing it for the first time after finishing lightfall on release. This is my favorite game of all time but they slowly ran it into the ground. I miss vanilla d2. I miss the red war, forsaken, and everything the game was . Witch queen was great , and lightfall was a let down. The paywall turns all my friends off from ever playing again. I got two new friends to play lightfall with me on release and that’s because they had a sale or something. It was hard to teach them and even harder to keep them playing though it was a blast while it lasted. I need to finish the story and play the final shape but I am scared it’ll be another let down. And I’m sad I’ll be playing it alone because no one wants to pay another 60-100 bucks for the next dlc. 😢
Honestly every major campaign should be in the game. Not just for old players to replay and enjoy it, but for new players to understand it all.
@@adjcsee4476new player for like a month couple years ago, this game is built to gate out of new players. I guess that is the fate of a live service game after all.
@@adjcsee4476I know I and my entire friend group won't play the game if they never bring back the old campaigns. But I guess the whales of this game are profitable enough.
I just want to say Thank you for this video.
Since I've watched this, I finally understand how D2 works, and now I can finally have fun with the game. I literally cant stop playing and im having a blast! All bcs of this video. The insight you gave to your friend playing was also great insight for most ppl.
Im enjoying the game so much, I went from a Free to play player to almost a Full Premium one (Got most of the DLCs avaiable) and Its awesome.
Thank you so much for making me discover my love for a game I previously thought It was trash or too convoluted.
I think the best thing about the D2 tutorials, is that it teaches how important tutorials are, and how to make a good one by observing everything D2 gets wrong.
I get it now.
Due to D2 having an overwhelming amount of old content that is no longer required or even accessible, being a new player in it is like being freshly born at the age of 18 and having to take a crash course in lanuage and how the world works so you can hurry and get a job, but nobody will give you access to a library or computer, so you have to learn it all through word of mouth or borrowing books from random people in your neighborhood.
So basically it's like having amnesia. XD
its like playing a korean mmo
I pity anyone who started D2 after the Red War purge. There basically isn't a story anymore, just a series of random events.
@@codafett As someone who got roped into playing a few days ago by my "friends" (jk they are great people). This describes it perfectly, I am jumping across so many different points in time, it cant even give me a linear story starting from the newer expansions. Every time I have booted up the game it shoves me into some random mission. It started me with the first Lightfall mission, then something about Beyond Light, then went back to Season of the Wish, and then Witch Queen. I feel like these are borderline selected at random, meanwhile I'm getting whiplash. Like am I a guardian with alzheimers remembering fragmented memories or something?
You can go and probably do your research on how to, etc., like on a wiki with guides or something. But why would you? Most people don't find that fun, especially to pick up a game they don't even like yet. Game needs to take care of that.
yep. it's to get players into the guardian mindset
My brother was playing through the vanilla campaign - he was almost finished with it. He logged in one day trying to finish it, but everything was gone and he was stuck back in the hub with nothing to do. We paid full price for that garbage, and felt like a couple of fools.
I feel ya, I played through the campaign solo and was excited to play through it again with a friend. We were shocked it was all cut from the game. It was a major reason I left destiny.
Wow! What a joke! I'll never play this game!
yeah , this and many others things like this are the reason i completely stop playing.
It's insane, how with such a nice gameplau/gunplay you have all these garbage systems around it makng it impossible to enjoy.
@@Vesdus yh I started the game and it's so confusing. I even have the dlc's and I no longer know what's happening. I'm gonna just uninstall it for now.
i was lucky enough to have my dad guide me through the game when i wanted to play it since he was experienced in destiny 1 and destiny 2 and done numerous raids and helped other new players
Pt2. Almost finished with video, learned that there is heroic public events, a timeline to do quests, artifacts, mods, energy weapons do damage to shields, you could upgrade your ghost now I know I need to focus on guardian ranks (we making it out of rank 2!). Great video thanks for all the help!
12:30 I tried getting my friend into Destiny about a year ago and he encountered this exact bug and quit because of it. The introductory mission should be THE most polished piece of content in the game, not among the least.
Sadge
Yes very unfortunate with a bug like this. Its surpprising it exists because Destiny is such a polished game over all.
As someone who has played this game for almost 10 years now and has always struggled to get people into this game, this perspective helps so much
The dungeon and raid mechanics are retarded. When I started playing, all these people in my clan thought they were doing me these huge favors taking me to raids and dungeons and after a few times I was just like, no God, noooooo!
You will never get people into this game. Looters like this have a window of like 3 years to get people into it. After that your chances of getting people to try it and stick around drop DRASTICALLY.
If the story is not linear and comprehensive, the player retention rate drops hugely as well. Let us be honest, Destiny's story is a jumbled mess that most veterans can't follow let alone someone new. This is a huge problem for any game, the story has to be comprehensive and coherent. It cannot be jumbled, chaotic, and incomprehensible because you didn't do "x" due to it being super old content.
@@Nempo13 You can def get people into it, it's just that you can't get anyone into it.
Any game that has been going on for years and years like D2, and has amassed a good amount of content, will be be hard to get into. Even more so for games that revolve around rng drops and gear progression. D2 takes a bit of learning and dedication to understand and get into and that's honestly fine. If someone doesn't care about learning then that's fine too, D2 might just not be the game for them.
@@tsunamie1015 I wouldnt say that the size of the content its the issue, its how its structured, they dont explain where, how, when to do stuff, you can just go into a 6 man raid on your own and the game will let you even if you PHYSICALLY CANNOT PROGRESS ON IT. Theres not even a basic shooting range to test weapon damage, cd, and stuff, theres no way to see what you own and dont besides off-game stores, and even then they may just vault 100USD worth of stuff because the actual bungie devs left long ago. The base red campaing sort of explained SOME of the basics, but since the Activision send off they just assume that you just know what the stuff on the game does and how to make it work.
I personally took a 1 season break and i was utterly lost the moment i logged back, and i literally played the very first destiny the moment it came out.
The sad part its that "this may not be the game for them" its often used as a shield to defend blatant mediocre _(at best) practices, i get that a dev team should strive to make the game THEY want to make, if that wasnt the case Soul´s-Like games would had an easy mode long ago, but the issue its when devs go stubbornly on their way instead of listening to what players want, a game with no players its a dead game, and D2 specifically is even worse, as once the servers go offline thats literall it.
Go and explain to a new player that any new dlc they buy its subject to sudden removal along with most of the content.
That any "good" items they may get can randomly be shuffled next season (or even mid season) and become useless when they least expect it. If not removed (the perks)
That unless you played ON TIME every single dlc mayor campaing they wont be able to play or even see what happened during those.
That the game just ASSUMES that you did X or Y and know where and who is A and B.
AND SO MUCH MORE
Not being the game for everyone its ok, but seeing how its near impossible to get any new players who SHOULD like the game and enjoy even worse games its a red flag the size of a continent, and the fact that not even veteran players can keep up with such toomfolery its an EVEN BIGGER flag.
And if it was just "dead game raeeeee" echo chamber it would be one thing, but Bungie themselves saying that they are falling in the revenue and player retention department its all it needs to be said about the matter.
@@toobig7150 If people can't progress in a 6-man raid then they will notice it very soon. Raids also have their recommended light level which means that players know exactly when they are supposed to be able to enter certain raids/areas. Anything the red war taught players the new tutorials teaches them more/better, also including the new fragments stuff that augments abilities.
""this may not be the game for them" can be used as an excuse, sure, but it's also simply the reality for a lot of players. Different players enjoy playing different games. D2 is a game that requires some external info digging, guide watching, external tools for convenience, and there are tons of players that are more than happy with that. But there are also millions of players who don't enjoy that, and that's perfectly fine. Would Factorio be a better game if it showed pre-built blueprints for every production line just so no player would experience the frustration of smth not working properly? Like i said before, D2 having hundreds more tutorials would maybe increase new player numbers because the game is now advertised as being "new player friendly" but the vast majority of them will still stop playing sooner rather than later because that external info digging, etc., is part of the game and they will have to engage with it sooner or later.
Not sure what you point is with the servers shutting down. It's an online coop/pvp game, ofc the game is gonna die once the servers shut down ...
They already confirmed that they won't vault any more content.
Seasonal items changing with each season is ... not really out of this world, and if someone really like a weapon they can continue using it for a long long time. Is it gonna be BiS? Probably not, but it doesn't have to be.
It really sucks that a huge chunk of the campaign got removed/vaulted, and i'll always agree with that. They really need to work on giving us a better "replacement" than just half a mission from Forsaken. But starting with Shadowkeep player can follow the campaign. If your problem lies with the timed stuff that D2 has been doing since forever, that's just how it is.
As for player retention see my previous comment.
same happened to me and i did quit playing after a few hours and never finished the tutorial. what got me to come back was the fact i looked up build guides because buildcrafting is my favorite thing about these kind of games. i decided to skip the tutorial and just jumped into the beyond light campaign and other things to level up my guardian rank and finally felt that gameplay loop and then it clicked with me. it was a process for sure lol
this video made me realise how lucky i've been to have been a destiny 2 player since release week, also good on you for getting him the expansions, i wouldnt want to imagine the disappointment for him to find out he has to spend all that money on lightfall to get past level 6 etc.
On the day you release this, I have introduced my friend to this game. He had no experience with it and found all the gameplay fun. The biggest issue he found was trying to find where the hell he was going. Overall, very funny timing, and we're having fun just running around in cosmo for now. He still can't find his class ability tho 😂
send him this video lol!
It’s mostly the old players who just think the new player experience is bad.
@ShadowDestiny have. Responded with "well that's a bad time to start playing 🤣🤣"
@renasauceman I started playing in September eith my brother. Was an OG destiny 1+2 fan, but fell out of it for years. While technically not a new-light, I did feel the introduction to the game was a bit strange. It had the expectation that we aren't new players, but rather expected us to have watched about 3 videos on tips and tricks. Even still, it's alot better than nothing and I'm glad I got some of that Destiny nostalgia when I booted it up for my first few hours.
@@renasauceman No, legit new players find it bad as well. There is a reason Destiny has a horrible new player retention rate.
If you don't have a friend already playing it, you will NOT be sticking around for long.
It's mind blowing to me that you still have to pay for older expansions separately from the most recent one. Almost no other long running game does this. Usually you just have to buy the most recent expansion and that will give you access to all the other ones.
You haven't seen Paradox games, huh?😂 Europa Universalis 4 from 2013 on a massive steam sale still costs over 220€ to buy all DLC. Not all of it is necessary but you'll encounter the AI using the abilities locked behind those DLCs, while you can't, a lot.
Yeah, this is the biggest reason why I never really came back.
I stopped playing a bit before witch queen, so at this point if I wanted to come back I'd need to buy 3 dlc (one of them being the deluxe version) + the 25 years anniversary pack.
It's prohibitively expensive considering half the content, being seasons, is gone forever
@@l0rf Paradox games are single player this supposedly a MMRPG most of those give you previous expansions with a sub a pass or by buying just the latest xpac, they don't gate every single small bit of content behind an individual paywall and they certainly don't delete content you paid for.
How people jump so fast to defend Bungie with their bs is beyond me, I guess you have forgotten how Tess mtx were supposedly funding the cool exotic missions like the whisper or zero hour turns up you now have to pay for those too, on top of the expansions the season pass, the 30th anniversary pass, and to top it all off most of the cool armors and skins are locked behind the mtx store.
@@l0rfand that is why Paradox games aren’t as mainstream as they would be if they didn’t have huge paywalls.
For Tower loading @53:31, I heard from somewhere that the Tower takes ages to load sometimes because it is loading the Vault of every player in that instance of the Tower
Thank you for the info. Was worried i missed out on this since i was heavy into the first Destiny but glad i passed on this now.
This video randomly appeared in my feed, and an insomniac who was never really aware of Destiny 2, I figured it was worth a watch. Through the course of the video, my feelings went from "dang, this looks like a cool game" to "hmm, this looks a bit complex" to finally "welp, this is just unapproachable." Your passion for the game really came through, and hopefully someone at Budgie is listening. I generally avoid shooters and online play since my skill and experience is limited. It would be nice for a game like this to be welcoming to players of all experience levels. Thanks for the vid!
oh Bungie has been ignoring these issues for many many years, and they will certainly continue to do so. Bungie is very weird.
Bungie is listening... by allowing new players to just skip the new light intro altogether and be even more confused about systems.
@@Castitalusnot defending Bungie but that's on you if you can't realize skipping that is skipping any semblance of a tutorial maybe the game is not for you
Cayde 6 returns: *All veterans cheer*
All new light players: Cayde who 😮?
he return? i lost the game with witchqueen.
@@dowzjohn4011 he's in the trailer for the new DLC, it comes out later this year I think?
This is the worst :/
you are telling they so down bad they retcon that straight head shot bullet taken by Cayde, another reason to dont return thank you for your info@@paradoxx0468 👍
Hot take: Cayde's return is bad for the game.
After such a big deal was made about killing off his character, bringing him back removes the impact and the consequence. Like final deaths no longer mean anything.
It's one thing when a new character dies and becomes a guardian like Uldren -> Crow, or when we save an old hero we never met so he never dies that final death like Saint-14, but for us to know a character well, love a character, kill him off with massive impact and story implications... just to bring him back later? Removes tension, meaning, and any sense of consequences.
It makes character deaths in the future less impactful, because hey maybe we'll see them magically come back to life too.
I got two of my friends who have never played destiny 2 to play recently and after very much explaining they really love it. Once you get the hang of the game it feels so good
Love your vids, started following you when you were a small channel, and you have now come this far great job🎉
This video is probably THE most important contribution to the Destiny 2 universe by any content creator I've seen so far. It is so frustrating to come into such an expansive and storied game only to feel hopelessly lost and unable to ignite a wholehearted love it because you literally have NO IDEA where to go or what to do. If D2 just assigned orientation walkthroughs and explanations in a menu that your GHOST could provide RIGHT at the BEGINNING, that would contain categories in it like "weapons", "Movement", "Mods", "Public events" "Vanguard ops" etc...which your GHOST could enlighten you with, the feeling of overwhelm would be far more short lived. If that were the case a player could just refer to his/her ghost, like they would an encyclopedia, to clear things up better and not feel so isolated and lost. Outstanding job sir!
This is not the most important contribution to the destiny 2 universe by a long shot. Games like this require you to learn things on your own not be babied by on screen instructions bombarding you at the beginning with you ending up not retaining much of the information. It is better for you to learn how things work on your own over a longer period of time. Tutorials are for babies and idiots
@@ginosko_ That has to be one of the worst takes I have read in a long while. There's a vast difference between a game having a steep learning curve, and a game that is incapable of clearly teaching new players its mechanics.
@@ginosko_ That's the dumbest thing I read today
@ginosko_ wow. Do us all a favor and delete all your gaming accounts please. 😂
This is a blatant copy of the video Jez put out almost 2 weeks ago.
The biggest W in this video to me was how much of a good sport the friend was
This was therapeutic. I tried Destiny 2 and kept in it for like 20 hours before I was just like, “Yeah... No thanks.”
I tried googling a lot of this stuff but so many things that were not obvious were taken for granted by the guides.
I've been playing destiny 1 since around 2016 or 2017, and destiny 2 since 2022. I had no idea about heroic public events until now, and I still don't know how to do them.
I also got the glitch with the class stuff not being obtained by meditating, eventually figured out that restarting fixed it for me.
As an early Destiny 2 player, this breaks my heart. I'd been missing the game a lot lately but haven't played since around 2020, it's like it went from a game that was loved by its devs/team to a game that they don't really care about. A game that felt polished once, now seems unfinished.
This is a good way of putting how I feel about it. It's like it went through backward development.
It's been like that since D1
Well with all the drama of last year, we now know that a lot of the Devs do care, it's the suits in management who didn't and told them what to do instead of listening to the player feedback that the devs were doing and trying to impliment in the game before being told no.
I stopped playing this recent season. I cant even get pass the loading screen without logging out.
It’s just surprising how much management always screws over games that could otherwise be good, and how numerous these terrible managers are- it seems like there’s a grand total of like 2-3 studios in the entire games industry without god awful work conditions and fat hogs as executives
I remember dismantling an exotic because my rare chest piece was higher, because the game never explained infusions at all
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Yeah I still don't know what those pieces of shit do and I'm a veteran also in case if you didn't know what you probably didn't you can buy back Exotics without having to do all that bullshit
Same. Never knew you can do like increase it's rating score or something.
Skill issue
Bunch of regards. Probably can’t even wipe your own ass.
your friend Soup sounds like a cool dude. glad he had a fun time. i’ve been playing for a long time but i still learned something new from his playthrough lol. good video
Here's a review of the game from me, a random non-veteran Destiny player :
When i started playing destiny, i didnt know anything about the important stuff to upgrade my gear, i was just exploring the game and killing things. Sometimes i didnt know the use of what i was looting on my way, and sometimes it was intuitive enough for me to understand their use (like weapons and armors).
Also i've never paid attention to the story of the game, i've never played any campaign modes unless it would unlock something interesting like subclasses.
To me, this game was more like some kind of Doom-like to me.
Then, after 300 hours of playing Destiny 2 like an animal, i've been thinking "compared to the others, my damages are so low..."
, so i went on UA-cam to watch tutorials on how to improve my gear, and i've only recently learned how to properly use mods on my armor. I had never paid attention to these before because they lacked details so much that i thought they were worthless.
😂😂😂😂😂
Dog, what the hell were you doing for 300 hours?
@@zachrohler1047just roaming around and killing stuff, along with casual assault missions from the vanguard.
But i've never played in dungeons or done raids ever.
(yeah i really was braindead back then lmao)
@@luminho6185 were you doing strikes and crucibal? Or just running around shooting stuff?
@@zachrohler1047i did some strikes when i felt like it, in easy mode because i didnt know how to properly set a decent gear, i also tried the pvp gamemodes but i didnt like it so i stopped doing that
I have well over 2000 hours in the game and I only recently learned that heroic public events were triggered by an action and not just randomized events. It's sad that they never explain this.
The taken ones are notoriously bad about this. Most people veterans and new lights alike just don't know you have to keep the bubbles up to shoot at the ball in the sky by popping in and out of the bubbles. Use wardcliff for this and it triggers fast.
I tried to get back into it as someone who played a ton when the game first launched and i gave up after 2 to 3 hours. It is mechanically very simialr and was simple to get back into the gameplay itself, but i was so confused by the bombardment of all the new systems and had no clue where to start, so i picked at a spot i felt seemed the most recent content i had accessible to me. It was fun playing through it, but the moment i had to go back to the hub and they through a shit ton more at me, that's when i just gave up. I just didn't want to choose down one path and end up feeling like i wasted my time or something. It was just wayyyy to overwhelming and a horrible confusion.
Just learned about infusion. When i returned, i dismantled a ton of my old exotics because i thought they were just useless.... well that just solidified me not wanting to try ever again..
I love Destiny 1‘s year 1 progression system. Players nowadays are pampered. Exotics used to be much more rare and legendaries came towards the end of completing the core game. Rare and uncommon items were less of just placeholders and one just got used to getting the feel of a variety of blue weapons armor and gear before acquiring their legendary counterparts. Not to mention, the gjallerhorn was an exotic that not everyone ever got which added some cool mystery and motivation to grind. I never unlocked Thorn in D1 and kinda miss having to rely on more rng to get certain exotics
Jez did this with his wife and I’m glad more people are catching on and doing the same! Not everyone’s new player experience is the same
We filmed this video before Jez, it's just a coincidence. Loved his video as well!
It’s why I love the channel Rasputen so much he does a bunch of these which his wife over a bunch of games.
Jez's video with Amy was miraculous, Jez is far more intelligent than he gives himself credit for.
Hoping this video is similarly enlightening, I'm about to watch it now.
Main difference IS a first gaming experience against a first Destiny experience
Jaz's wife ran into almost the same problems at the start
I vividly remember getting my friends into destiny 2, long after I did, I literally had to sit them all down in a game of private gambit to get them all to understand the core game mechanics (finishers, etc.), basic buttons (binding a charged melee and uncharged melee button separately), what each class does (a lot of them quickly decided to swap classes after my explanation), and a basic sparksnotes version of the lore so far, because none of them remembered anything from the cutscene and the in game tips were so vague and unhelpful. This video brings all those memories back, so good job Shadow 👏👏
My friends also sat with me down and explained everything I wasn't aware of, such good memories! We were doing leviathan raids, that one wonderful, amazing raid on EDZ where you have to ride your sparrow to the end. I almost always was behind everyone else but it was so nice... I want these activities back :(
I am in touch with every friend I've played with and none of them plays destiny anymore. The good days of this game are gone.
I started playing destiny 2 for the first time yesterday and it’s insane how many confused moments I had too. didn’t know about different melee types till now
I'm sorry I'm 1 moth late, but when I completed the tower quest and when I finished it, the tower was so lively that I became confused and quit after 3 hours. I came back after I watched the entire storyline from your channel and from learning about different things like exotics and other other things about destiny from other youtubers but you helped me throughout with my journey and I open my heart to you for helping me throughout my journey, keep up the great work. You are also my no. 1 destiny youtuber that I trust and love. Keep up the great work
Soup's comment about how the gunplay feels great really resonates with me.
It's the one part that makes me long to play again. Never played another game where just using the weapons feels so viscerally satisfying.
Haven't touched D2 in years now, they lost me some time after beyond light (I think.)
Still, every few months I get this spark in my mind going "OUGH, I would shoot some Destiny guns for a bit right now"
Right?!??
My overwhelming memory of destiny is how good the weapons were.
i feel this. i also feel like this with movement in this game. movement is so incredible in d2 & its the #1 reason im still playing
I stopped playing shortly after the witch queen, as by then it became glaringly obvious just how lazy they were with content. Definitely a shame as the gunplay is definitely there, while everything else is just... subpar. Though it was never NOT fun flying around as a titan with my lion rampart legs, raining explosive hellfire from above with my toaster!
Still remember running around PvP arenas with The Last Word hip firing like i was in the Wild West.. best gunplay experience ever..
Same, but then I remember all the reasons why I stopped playing
I genuinely hope that the devs see this video. I returned to D2 at Christmas after not playing since Forsaken. I was shocked to find that I STILL ended up getting confused. In the past, a friend held my hand and showed me the ropes but after returning as a solo player, I was overwhelmed...again. I love the game but some of the mechanics are so convoluted and difficult to understand that it turns people off. My Mrs' (who is also a big gamer) gave up after 30 minutes out of frustration.
They need to just let D2 sit and make D3 and begin by making it SIMPLE. For every new currency added an old one must go away. For every new mechanic an old one needs to go away. Every game that does this remains easily picked up and enjoys a healthy playerbase. You don't just keep building ontop of things endlessly adding new currency, new tiers, and new grinds. You roll in the old things to streamline it for new players to catch up quickly.
While they are at it the can ditch the predatory microtransactions and fomo inducing content where they keep removing older expansions and story bits so you have to addictively play every expansion even if you don't like it.
@@Nempo13 I agree. A friend of mine who is a die-hard Destiny fan said that D1 was in a really good state before D2 so he expected D2 to be the same but way better. When it released, he said it missed vital features that should have been there from the start. Hopefully, they have learned the lesson with D3
@@safiquazi2704 Whereas I agree with what you say, in order to keep every expansion, it would cause a lot of problems. From the size of the game in general to all the different components prone to glitches etc. However with that said, I totally agree that the microtransactions putting even the basic content from years ago behind a paywall is not great. Maybe charge for the DLC with the promise that 1-2 years later, it will become a free expansion. That would be ideal because if you are not rich, you are still able to play and catch up
Elder scrolls online has more expansions than you can possibly imagine and it runs smoothly. I've been playing eso for years and I'm still not even close to finishing the content. Plus after one year of expansion release you can buy the expansion with in game currancy soI have no clue what Bungie excuse is. Lol.
I started playing Destiny 2 on day one of its release, and I first trailed off some time before the first expansion came out. Since then I've tried to come back twice, and both times have gone the exact same way:
The gun play feels great. I get some new exotics. I upgrade my gear a little bit. I do some new content. And I find that the story has become utterly impenetrable, and the only thing it offers me is the chance to go watch MyNameIsByf tell lore at me, and grinding.
If I could experience the full story for myself, I'd have stayed. But I couldn't. So I can't ever come back.
When i started alone in season 9 i was lost like soup, but after i got a few friends to get the game and go through learning together was better. It would be interesting to see if you can get 2 new players and see them learning together, one might miss the sparrow equip prompt but the other might no, “woah whats that how did you do that”
Rarity in Destiny becomes useless with how easy it is to acquire Legendaries and Exotics now
I'd love to see a new rarity above exotic
@@ShadowDestinyCatalysts and crafted weapons are basically what replaces those grinds now
@@ShadowDestiny
They should ditch white/green/blue, purple and yellow are all that matter, there is literally no use for the rest.
A new rarity makes no sense, really. Exotics should just be made easier to sort out stats. Their awful system of putting them at the end of the same activity to grind over and over is absolutely stupid.
@@Gibblets411blues have a place as pre-softcap leveling fodder & emergency backups for newer players that may be missing weapons of certain types/elements (for bounties/challenges) IMO
@@ShadowDestiny super exotic
Tbh… I don’t think I can recommend this game to anyone anymore. The amount of things that ppl have to go through to gain a basic knowledge of the game, plus the skill gap of new ppl to heavily experienced guardians, playing the same game. It’s annoying to hear someone say something is easy, or that I have a “skill issue”, when I’m challenged by a mission or dungeon.
Destiny 2 isn’t new player friendly. It is strictly for, and modified around, veteran players who’ve acquired every exotic in the game and solo flawless Master dungeons
Bring back the red war intro, it taught you everything while not fully holding your hand while not being overwhelming, it had its slow moments that lasted long enough to let you process everything
I think I really good addition would be something like a tutorial system you mentioned that is only for new players, and each tutorial runs you through how everything works bit by bit, and upon completing that specific tutorial, you get a small reward like a legendary weapon or armour piece, or some currency to help you out and if you complete all of the tutorials, you get a exotic engram or something; or a free choice at the exotic vault so you can acquire yourself a brand new exciting weapon?
What breaks my heart is that loved D1. Played it day one and made countless memories playing solo and playing with my high school buddies doing strikes and raids. I held off on D2 when it first came out because of the negative press it was getting finally jumping in when it went free to play. Played a bit of the Red War campaign and then bought the Forsaken DLC because Cayde's death was spoiled for me but i at least wanted to experience it for myself. Put the game down for awhile and when I came back I saw that content was vaulted. Been finding it super hard to care about Destiny since then
Literally same. Was a diehard tryhard for D1 lol. Was in high school so i was broke and couldnt buy D2 until the first dlc. Even being somewhat veteran, i was still a little overwhelmed and disheartened with how behind i was. Then i put the game down for a few months. Came back to an unrecognizable world. That was after that first level bump where everyone was raised. I had no idea what i was doing and most of the stuff that looked fun was already obsolete.
Never came back after that. Only watching this now due to the Last light dlc. But i guess its still a horrible experience for newbies. Oh well.
They ruined it for money
“Makes a new game” half the content is from D1 …
I remember when I first got into destiny 2 there was some invincible enemy that oneshot me with any attack just blocking a bridge that I needed to cross in the tutorial and there was no other way around it.
Turns out it was some kind of event boss and I literally could not progress past this point in the tutorial as it was literally impossible to get past the enemy without being hit by multiple oneshot aoe attacks so I had to wait till my friend who was already playing the game came and let me ride across on his sparrow so we could avoid being hit and let me progress the tutorial.
That is exactly how much Bungie cares about the new player experience, they literally don't even care whether or not new players can complete the tutorial and actually play the rest of their game lmao
You realize you *literally fucking cant ride your friends sparrow* so this whole story is one big fucking lie 😂😂
Wait. Across on his sparrow?
@@darkminer2674 yeah I crouched on top of his sparrow and he rode across avoiding projectiles
@@voidgivenfocus OOOOOH. ok that makes more sense. XDXD.
Yo props to you for being able to STAND on it for long enough. Me and my friends jsut fly off or get launched or even jus falling off lol lol
We jsut use strand now to grapple into the back of it and go shoom zooom broom! XDXD
did you play it when forsaken was still up? was it a servitor that was shielded by smaller drones?
I remember getting destiny 2 at launch. Got the collectors edition. I quit years ago when I moved to PC and it’s wild to me that they removed so much of the game just to make it free to play.
Like I love some of the set pieces in the base campaign. When you’re about to die and walking up a mountain this beautiful song plays. That’s just. Gone
I remember my journey on D1 way back in the day. I tried to play D2 after it went free, but even with my time and experience from the first, the clan I was in and everything else, I simply could not bring myself to play it. Especially since I absolutely hate how they handle monetization.
I tried a second time later, but the whole sunsetting thing, missed exotics and deleted areas turned me off so hard, that I said "screw this" within the first few minutes of walking around the tower.
They need to have like 10 people that have never played the game, play the new light stuff and on what to do after that, record and write down there findings, and make adjustments off that and repeat the process until perfection
Sounds like they need actual testers and need to be more in touch with their community,
Way too late for that, and they've been told for years.
@@DUKEzors😢 don’t say it’s too late. I had hopes 😭
Doing game development instead of finding ways to milk the game? Nah that ain't bungie
New light will continue to be trash as long as people finish the intro mission and realize they missed the entire vanilla story plus years of content and that shit is not coming back. Why would a new player give a shit about the dozens of characters and factions if all their development is hidden behind deleted campaigns and seasons?
I started playing destiny 1 when the house of wolves dlc came out, and I put so much time into that game. I played destiny 2 on launch and enjoyed it quite a bit, even though I didn’t think it was too great. I only stopped playing Destiny 2 when the first dlc came out and I thought “ahh I’ll buy it when I have the money”.
Fast forward to 2023. My friend and I decided to play through destiny 1 again for old times sake, and we had so much fun doing it. Playing through the original campaign, and the dlcs, getting the exotic swords. It was still amazing.
And then when we had kind of done most of the stuff we could, we decided to play destiny 2. And I was immediately confused to how different the beginning was, it was literally the beginning of destiny 1 which was confusing as hell. What happened to the destiny 2 campaign? Why were some planets missing? We played for about 2-3 hours before realising that we couldn’t really do anything without purchasing all the dlcs. so we stopped playing.
And that’s 2 people that actually played Destiny 2 on launch, so I can’t even imagine how confusing it must be for a someone completely new to the second game.
i was very grateful that i had friends that knew destiny to help me. after they went to the military i got constantly stuck so i put out an xbox post for help. i started playing half a year ago and the gentleman who helped me invited me to his clan. i’m now one of his admin for the clan and i’ve never met a better group of people.
I’ve had a blast trying to catch up with friends and watching things to understand the story and what’s going on. There’s been sales for the old expansions for parts of the game I’ve wanted to play, I’ve been grinding it for about two weeks and feel pretty good with the base understandings of the game, D2 is a great game that I’ve slept on for awhile but I will stress as a new player WITHOUT A FREIND WHO KNOWS D2, I’d be very very lost
PoV: You get your friend addicted to crack. Not healthy for you in the slightest but feels really good in the moment.
I didn't feel this analogy, I tried playing with my friends was hopelessly lost. On top of that doing anything cooperatively sucked. Any missions they helped me complete they mowed everything down turning it into a walking sim for me. Any of their missions I helped complete left me feeling like I was doing nothing. It's a shame because the game seems like it has a lot to offer. I love the visuals and sound. On the other hand I'm not sinking 300 hours into it to find out. I wish the entire game was built on a more linear campaign without all the ranking. I feel like it being a looter shooter to begin with really holds it back.
@@Occurredcord There was a linear story...once upon a time
yeah as a new player it felt like i just smoked a bunch of jpgs of crack
really good crack jpgs tho, like i bet if there's any real crack anywhere it's pretty good stuff 😂
@Saint-8 ah, just like my motivation to keep playing… in the past
I recently created a brand new FTP account as well, simply for the challenge and to see what the experience was like. This video does a FANTASTIC job of showcasing the strengths and weaknesses of the new player experience. I hope Bungie sees it and learns from it, either with future D2 updates or a potential D3 some day.
This was a awesome video!!! I really enjoyed!!! I came back to destiny after a year and overwhelmed it’s the best word to describe it!!
So, veteran player here, and you made a good point about the armor mods. I still have issues creating synergies with mods because it was never explained to me through the game and I just look up the best builds to have.
i love your "10 stages of a" videos. My favorite one is the hunter one, shows me what stage im on in my hunter journey
Glad you like them! I might make a renewed updated one in a few month
@@ShadowDestiny lookin forward to it man!
your warlock one got me into destiny and I am a proud blink user now, so thank you@@ShadowDestiny
fun fact: if you have a legacy account and return to D2 the game forces you through the new tutorial! I found this out when I returned to the game a while back.
I had such an incredibly good time the first time I played a dungeon, if nothing else this vid is good for encouraging me to use it.
On a seperate note, they should totes add Eris to the tower just for dialogue just since she’s been very active in quests lately
I had never played Destiny before last month, I hopped in with one of my buddies who was a veteran. I made it about two days before I hit multiple pay walls and just dropped the game completely. There's no way I'm going to continue playing a game that I have to pay for content that I'm not even sure I want.
This entire video is very clearly made by a Destiny fanboy. He's constantly excusing all the extremely critical flaws by saying "But I really like the game, it's not bad, I swear."
Nah it's, pretty bad. The ONLY good aspect of the game is shooting the guns, Soup even said that himself, the thing he liked was shooting the guns. There's no real MEAT to the game, it's just some sparkly bones.
I tried getting into the game a few years back, after the hundreth time one shotting the same enemy and running into either a broken door/Boss or a puzzle I just couldn't figure out after hours, I uninstalled and never looked back.
@@haku8135 I think the audio design is perhaps the worst implementation I've ever had the pleasure of criticizing.
if it helps, it wouldnt be worth it even if it you loved it, as old dlc regularly gets removed from the game to "keep it simple", including the entire original campaign the game shipped with
Holy shit that's THE SOUP. Like OSRS Soup?! Hell yeah.
i thought i recognised the voice!!!!!!!!!
Currently watching the video. 9 and a half hours into the game. And JUST NOW I learned that there's a finisher (i saw it on the equipment screen but since i never saw it in-game i thought it was a PVP only thing).
So much potential to be a fantastic game that feels good. I used to play back in D1 and D2 up until Last Wish and honestly i quit because keeping up is not only confusing but way too expensive. Also getting anyone else to start playing was impossible, great video to really show these glaring issues
Back when Lightfall was released a friend of mine installed Destiny 2 and tried to get into it, only to deal with the metric tons of cutscenes every time he booted up the game. By the second or third day he had enough and uninstalled it, even went so far as to remove the game from his steam account because he fed with so much thrown at him despite being brand new.
I played D1 for years religiously. When D2 first came out. I played for maybe a month or two before life got too busy. I decided to start playing again 2 months ago. I was not excited about having to pay all that money to start playing again. There was SO MUCH going on. I know people complained about it being "boring." But it was insanely overwhelming. I found it very confusing to stay "on tract." I found myself playing a couple quests from one DLC. Then switching to another. And then going back and forth. Since there is so much going on. I didnt even realize for a month i didnt even START ghosts of the deep, because there was just too many other things going on. Starting a new character just seems like a nightmare having to go through it all over again.
The people who call the game boring are the ones who have played nothing but destiny for years, myself included. To a new player or someone who hasn’t experienced it, its all great
I got stuck on that cold boot quest, searched that room for like an hour and a half thinking there was something secret I had to find in there
I briefly played in 2020/21ish and my biggest gripe as a new player before i ultimately dropped the game within 2hrs was the vaulting of content and lack of direction. I was immediately thrown in and had no idea what was going on and how the story started. Im A big story person, so that made me bounce off hard. I enjoyed D1 on the 360 but D2 felt far different from what I remembered. I wish Bungie would take a page out of their former project, Halo, and allow players to install old content in modules, not completely take it away from people who paid for it.
Fun fact about the Armor Mod tutorial at around 48:10 (or lack-there-of), there IS a tutorial, but it only ever comes up the first time you open the mods section from the initial inventory (hitting right on the D-pad/keyboard directions) and it does a decent job of running you through the different mods.
The only issue is that the game literally never tells you it exists or to open it.
When I started playing Destiny 2, The Red War campaign was the new player experience and it was quite a lot of fun. A good introduction to the game, too, and I never really felt lost because of how it would slowly unlock abilities, features, etc. Back then, character levels were a thing, and you slowly unlocked your abilities as you leveled up and progressed the campaign. Ultimately I think the Red War is what drew me in and made me want to keep playing for a while. After The Red War got vaulted, I tried to get a couple new friends into the game and they bounced off pretty hard. I think they've improved the new player experience a bit since then, but I think it still doesn't quite measure up to The Red War.
I occasionally want to get back into the game but every time I look at all the DLC it convinces me not to, haha.
I genuinely have... no idea why they dont like, cut the major parts of the expansions/seasons into a decently long "tutorial/refresh" mission. Itd be a better new player experiance, introduce people to the story beats that matter for the current expansion, allow for new players to get the feel for the old content, and then just... get people to feel for the story and characters.
An hour, two hours of gameplay, a better introduction, a very nice supercut and almost an homage to the past.
Fuck, man.
I just get the dlc when it’s on sale. $20 for all the dlc or $30 for all the dlc plus 4 season passes. To me that’s worth it because I enjoy the gameplay and it’s cheaper than a new $60 game that I would play for less time.
I really enjoy watching your videos on Destiny 2. Thanks for making them. I joined your channel tonight. Hope to see more of your insights come to fruition=0)
I played destiny 1 on release because I was super excited for it back then when I still had a ton of faith left in bungie. I played most of the main story with a co-worker of mine and we had a blast. It had it's flaws but I loved that game to bits....until I reached endgame. I don't know how it is now but destiny 1 not having any in game LFG "looking for group" system baked in or any matchmaking for raids and such ultimately forced me and my buddy to drop off the game because using third party sites was a nightmare for us back then.
When Destiny 2 went free to play I decided to jump back in, despite all of the mixed reception I heard about to try to recapture some of that nostalgia that I had with my old pal who I have long lost contact with only to find the first few hours rather wanting. I also experienced that cold boot bug which I honestly don't remember how I got over it. I really loved the opening sequence re-enacting the opening tutorial of the first game but after all that was done and I got to the citadel....I dunno between the lighting and the colors it felt like a fever dream, and the fast track from the D1 tutorial to the sequences of the second game felt like whiplash to me and I ultimately put it down.
Here we are years later and controversy after controversy I can't help but feel like Destiny as an ip HAD so much potential for me during D1 and watching D2 turn into the "diamond forever in the rough" game that it is now makes me as a D1 vet (kind of a vet) very sad.
"OH I DIED- Wait no I didn't" Is such a hilarious reaction to the powered punch
The timeline thingy seems more for returning players to relive those experiences instead of new users to jump in and catch up with the narrative.
Then don’t let new players play them😂 doesn’t make sense if they get even more confused by that
@@Luca.5k it doesn't make sense to vault any content in general but here we are. I think I would give destiny more of a chance if I could play the game I paid for.
A 3-4 hour history of Destiny video if you have the patience to sit through it if not then having a vet to fill you in is great I know that's not always possible
The fact that Destiny now deliminates between 'New Light' and 'Present Day' is actually a huge improvement that I feel you kinda glossed over. Still tremendous room for improvement but it does seem slightly better than last year
Bro, the sheer amount of restraint you had NOT to tell him about the tian aoe is astounding.
Kudos
I played Destiny from 2014 until a few months ago. Bungie completely butchered this game, sucked the fun out. It’s a shame really.
About the public event thing every veteran player had to figure it out for heroic public events
I remember when I first started playing destiny before beyond light I actually found it really helpful that i had to buy mods cause it helped me get more acquainted with the mods I bought, but with the amount of mods we have now I can see how that is unrealistic
I'll be honest, at least you guys had the luxury of going at your own pace
when I tried to get into the game, it was using a save I had already played on and abandoned, leaving me (somehow) at a FAR higher guardian rank than I should have been, while playing the tutorial the game suddenly dragged me off into lightfall with only the first 2 weapons you're given. That tormentor that grabbed soup? I stayed away and killed it.
I had no idea who any of these characters who were yelling at me were, had never seen the tower or the traveler I was meant to be "defending", was being talked to like I knew what the hell was going on. It was atrocious. I did eventually get out of lightfall and back to doing new light, but that permanently fucked up my view of the game.
"Oh yeah lets just drag this new player with 2 weapons who has never even visited the tower into the newest campaign that'll go well"
For me all my equipment was the level 1 equipment I had when I made my character while the tutorial enemies are level 20...