Honestly Boarding Patrol Imperial Agents was better than any of these boxes. 20 Navy Breachers, Euclidian Starstriders and a Eversor Assassin. Made narrative sense too, a Rogue Trader, their personal retinue and their ship's fighting crew, plus a sneaky assassin. Oh, and much, much cheaper at retail.
Yup. I bought one for my Space Pirate Guard and have had zero regrets. (Well 1 regret: the Breachers are a bit of a pain to assemble lol; but it's not that bad)
I’m kind of hoping the LGS is willing to offload it for cheap come November (or November 2025 if that is too soon). This same lgs has a dominion box for $75 but I’m not interested in aos
Behold, what should be standard combat patrols priced and advertised as battleforce boxes. I guess some of them would be a little too much of a discount at combat patrol but then that overstates the expensive prices of the original kits
While I kinda like the ragtag style of the army, I still feel like this is mainly a ploy by GW to make some room in their warehouses. I mean, there might be further reveals later on, but the fact that they didn't even give them some kind of unifying battleline unit to tie it all together doesn't make me all too optimistic for the future of this army beyond 10th. This will of course also depend on the rules and on how well people take to the army. But it has this "ok guys, you have 10 minutes, throw something together but make do with what you have" kinda vibe.
I think they might be changing some of the current non-battleline to battleline cause it seems the Acolytes are getting a bit of a highlight by being in all three.
Yeah I have wanted an Inquisition army for ages, and I honestly loe the idea of a "DIY 'make your own army" kind of faction, which this could very well be... ... but it feels very slapdash from what we've seen, and unless there's a lot in the rules we just don't know about yet (like being able to steal 500pts from an existing Imperial faction) I just... don't see this lasting. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that somehow, someway, it works out, because I think the concept has loads of potential; the execution I'm just finding... iffy.
I hope they do similarly with the combat patrols for the demon codex, making one for each chaos god. I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to play a specific type of daemon only to realize that there is no combat patrol you can use as a jumping off point or cheaper way to grow your forces.
It’s easy to say that but when you realize that there’s situations like the “exalted seeker chariot” LITETALLY needing two entire kits to be put together you realize how messed up dameons are rn. There is a reason we got the khorne combat patrol.
With some exceptions. The sisters seem to sell decently well for the normal battle line, and it's actually difficult to get Immolators in a lot of countries for a while now. That said, it seems like it's GW's usual packing one or two desirable models together with a bunch of not that great stuff that is also very overpriced
I think that for the Ordo Xenos box, GW should've doubled down on Deathwatch Vets, and included Tempestus Scions as Inquisitorial Storm Troopers instead of the Rogue Trader Kill Team.
The entire imperial agents army feels like an exec walked over the the rules section of the headquarters and told them they have 2 weeks to make something up. They need to clear the warehouses as much as possible for the next mono-load out primaris squad.
Our next wave of primaris lieutenants take up a lot of space, you know. lmao But if prior codices are any indication, time to flip a coin on which rules team worked on it.
To me Imperial Agents is a release for the collectors and narrative players, not competitive. I love the fact they did it as I currently play 500 points Crusade games and Boarding Actions where they fit in perfectly as a small ragged group. GW announced that even individual Inquisitors can be played in their own Crusade when joining a different faction - again something very appealing to narrative games.
guess I'm an odd one out and actually excited for this codex and army, as I had already been working on building one already. Now that we know we are gonna get access to more than just the killteams to support them, I am happy. For those who aren't happy about it.. well I guess this army just isn't for you cause the unique units for them are quite literally the Killteams and characters they have had for a while that us actual Imperial Agents fans have been asking for a means to actually run as a functioning army.
rumour is daemons are being separate out into the monogod legions to expand those codex's , inquisition has always had some level of interests and is a revival of something that once was not something new
Since we know Emperor's Children is gonna be a thing in the future, I wouldn't be shocked to see Daemons get split up and rolled into each of their corresponding csm legions.
it isnt. The corvus is quite cheap buy through ebay or other pages. I've seen it at 35 euros multiple times already. And might just get cheaper with deathwatch no longer being a codex army an new battleforce arriving. Its only expensive if you look at the official store/retailer. An immolator on the other hand... good luck getting it below 75% of GW price.
I've been slowly building an Imperial Agents army for a while now, unfortunately I don't want any of these new boxes as I already have the majority of the models, i'll definitely be getting a copy of the codex and I expect I'll pick up the Blackstone fortress models individually, I'm crossing my fingers that they've not done away with karamazov as my finecast one took flipping ages to clean up and build
Get a real Old School imperium vibe from this. Not waves of people in power armour or single military division. Love the variety - but will see if it gets support and lasts.
This should’ve been a supplement. We don’t need a whole codex for Killteam squads and random imperial units. I’d give half the armies in the game a better range before making up stuff like this.
This wouldn’t feel like a cash-in if GW had least put the effort in to make maybe a “stormtrooper upgrade sprue” to give heads, arms etc on IG/enforcers/RT models to make Stormtroopers
@@BloodyArchangelus they can supply, they're just bad: hence BA :'D I'd like an attempt, so I can point out just their incompetence at making the kits, rather than both that AND their laziness at not even making kits.
@@darko-man8549 they can not supply. 40K team hate 40K with passion and reserve all plastic for aos+ sweet dei points. Only 30k team is based enough. But Gw separate sales of department. That’s why we can not have good things from 30k.
Funny thing though, the Boarding Patrol was top notch for the price. 3 complete kill team kits and an Assasin for below 100€ (if you did not buy it at GW). Guess iam stacked now for the Release, since i have most of the Stuff i need. xD
As a big fan of the Rogue Trader and Navigator house lore, I'm happy to get a codex, but it isn't super encouraging that deathwatch seems to be headed the wrong direction (WHY would they drop primaris support??), to say nothing of the downgrade of the new Coteaz mini. I hope we get some inquisitorial stormtroopers down the line to hopefully fill some gaps.
I've got my fingers crossed pretty hard for Inquisitorial Land Raiders making a comeback. I have a couple, and my Redeemer decked out to fit in with my SoB is particularly sadly missed. Land Raiders would also really help them with hard targets from a practical point of view.
Maybe my custum build inquisition army will be finally be playable😁😁 They never saw a battlefield, but that was the desteny, for the inquisitions army a long time
These boxes really appeal to me. I’m more of a narrative/open war player and I have Blackstone Fortress and a four regular armies for match play (Space Marines, Ad Mech, Tyranids and Orcs). These boxes will allow me to field playable Imperial soup armies and pick up a few Sister and Grey Knights. I’m glad the GW is making stuff for people who want more than a hyper competitive tournament list.
The best way to cover all your faces is to collect black Templars and throw inquisition shoulder pads grey nights and sisters of battle. It’s kind of expensive, but I’m an old fart with lots of money.
I'm kinda sad that as an ignorant noobie I chose the Deathwatch as my first and thus far only army mainly because of their cool look and now they are probably gone as an army. Tho I guess being rolled into Inquisition might be a good thing and give them more support and maybe even new models. Tho I do need to admit that back then the DW veteran squad was some of the coolest models in 40k, I love those hammers, xenophase blades and infernus heavy bolters
The loss of Deathwatch wouldn't have been so painful if this new imperial agents army weren't such a blatantly phoned-in cash grab. Awful henchmen kits everywhere, and not an inquisitorial stormtrooper to be seen.
@@AshesMade In the imperial agents announcement article. Deathwatch is going away as a standalone faction, and it's implied that we'll be left with only four datasheets. You can either play them as part of an Ordo Xenos detachment, or as allies to a codex space marines detachment.
It’s GW, this is what I expect from them. They even said that GK and Deathwatch are basically still getting codexes, so this is literally just a shitty cash grab till the new GK models come out. Plus the Coteaz is so awful I can’t even put it into words
Very interested in that Xenos box. I don't think the Deathwatch Veterans are in threat of imminent update, as they're already pretty much in correct scale for firstborn marines. Malleus getting two Henchman squads is pretty lame, should've gotten Voidsmen or something. Should've swapped the Priests so the Vindictor one goes with the Sisters.
I already have all of these models except the deamon hunters. I hope the codex is good. I’m a narrative player and this fits in with my Rogue Trader plans and works well with my kill team/necromunds/Battlefleet goth games and groups. I’ve been playing this game/concept since 1987. Space DnD is all I ever wanted, and you (fiends and family) geeks rage about fairness. Take what you love and run with it. Thanks brother love your channel.
It really looks like these boxes rely on the vehicles for a discount. If I wanted an Inqusition army, I'd buy a bunch of kill teams for half the cost and then run a hero or two.
Codex: Recycled Kits Battelforce boxes are decent deal for people who want to get into or play Kill Team (sell off the rest), otherwise hard pass. The fact GW ran out of ideas and just throw in two of the same Kill Teams in the Malleus box is just the cherry on top. I'm also ignoring the fact that for the Malleus box, only the GK, Culexus assassin and Coteaz makes sense.
Hmm i dont know. Corteaz came first as a metal miniature in a box with some henchmen. He could also take much more with him then any other Inquisitor back in 4th ed.
I'm aiming for the Hereticus box set. Mainly as I'm building a Sisters army at the moment and the only duplicate model I'll end up with is the Priest. Very much looking forward to the new book. Codex Daemonhunters was my favourite 3rd edition codex :)
It's been suggested that you can still run a deathwatch army by some understandings of the rules so unless GW have updated saying no there is still hope till we have the codex in our hands
thinking about WHAT units will we be able to take in an Agents army of we run pure agents. what Tanks/Vehicles will we be able to field besides Transports.
I really hope there are rules for Inquisitorial stormtroopers again, but I doubt it as they haven't been mentioned and aren't offered in any of these boxes.
The whole Imperial Agents idea. Looks like something GW could put very little effort into if they don’t sell all that great now and something they might get rid of again in 12th edition.
What's really interesting to me is the Blackstone Fortress models. The Navigator was a named character moved to Legends that I guess they're bringing back out into the fold? Wonder how many more will end up being that way? I'd love to see the Ambull and Guardian Drones be allowed for total flavor.
I'm just pretty pleased I got all the previous things related in the hope at some point we got Codex Imperial Weirdos - so I picked up Ashes of Faith, Blackstone Fortress (back when it was on sale for £70!) and the Imperial Agents boarding patrol box, as well as a box of Arbites. Got Cartavolnus too which I believe you can run as a regular inquisitor so pretty happy all round with just the codex.
It’s cool cause I started a side project of making my own inquisitor and agents just to paint and build. But because of this I already own the kill team kits so the boxes wouldn’t give me loads. The hereticus is best for me since I can at least make the second set of henchmen with the variants models and just have a few dupes
The only one that interests me is the Hereticus box as it would go a long way to rounding out my Kill Team collections. I don't have the Arbites, Imperial Agents, or SoB. But with the Blood Angels box coming out soon, if I have to choose between that and one of these...
$215 to invest in an army that probably won't even have a real army rule is insane, just buy 3d printed Stormtroopers and whatnot at this point you'll save an arm and leg
I guess that you could also play the Deathwatch marines with the space marine codex and sup in the Inquisition stuff, so in that sense you get options to play detatchments from several codexes
Interested to see how this new codex plays out as a whole. The issue I see is that the new Adepta Sororitas codex was very good. However, it was so good because of the Sisters' specific mechanics like Bringers of Flame. So if the new Imperial Agents doesn't let Sisters units take their mechanics, then why not just play the super strong Sororitas list (hard to see what I'd want to sub into a top tier list from the agents codex unless there's something groundbreaking). This seems like more of an Allies book, not worthy of full codex pricing. Remember when GW used to just release these rules in a sub-$10 edition of White Dwarf?
People keep saying that - but most likely the Grey Knights won't get refreshed until 11th - which could easily mean 3 more years of waiting as I doubt they will be in the initial release of that edition. And people have been saying they are waiting for the refresh even last year... so if GK are your planned secondary army, sure waiting makes sense. But if you actually want to start playing them the question becomes how long will you wait for the release... the longer GW makes you wait the bigger the chance is they will sell old models and then people will re-buy the newer anyhow. This primaris range refreshes are handled so badly from the consumer perspective. The change is too massive to mix older and newer models and at the same time it drags over a decade as they keep releasing pointless variation of units to just field different weapon loadouts... less unit variation would have been a bliss for both none SM as well as SM players.
@@erih2934they already confirmed in that article that the codex is up in 2025 for GK, and since this is the terminator edition there’s a good chance GK will get a refresh
It’s hard to tell what is good without the rules. One box may be amazing fun while another may be useless, but we won’t find out until we get the codex. Hard gamble for people I think.
I already own a copy of all the various Kill Team kits (Navy Breachers, Arbites, Rogue Traders, and Henchmen). I own a 2,500 point Sisters of Battle Army. I've never particularly liked Grey Knights or their models. Deathwatch seems like it would be better served in Kill Team, although I am not a fan of 5'6" first-born marines. I own Blackstone Fortress, I have a Greyfax, and some 3rd-party and kit-bashed inquisitors, and could kit-bash together some assassins if I wanted to. Basically, that covers everything I could get out of one of these boxes up to and including vehicles. I might get a codex eventually.
I'm kinda interested in the Herteticus one, but more because it's a discount for some useful Sisters reinforcements and two units for Kill Team than it's actual intention. This really is a weird, phoned in release. They really could have done with a other retinue sprue with Jokero and Deamonhosts on it to actually be a bit scary and have some takedown power.
I doubt it but I feel like based on the points cost and the fact that there are three boxes GW should make these battleforces specifically cheaper. Maybe $180. It would make the discount better and mitigate the lower points in the box. It might encourage more people to purchase multiple.
The largest problem with the boxes imo is that if you own a few of the kits in them then the boxes strike me as useless due to so many of the units being unique picks with either mono poses or characters so if you buy let's say Malleus then there's no point buying the others. Compare this to Imperial Guard where you (most likely) already have some infantry but there's (almost) always room for more and if there are more than one battle box you can more often than not grab one of each as long as your wallet allows it. That said, once these units are sold separately I'll definitely pick up the kits I don't already own. Also a bit surprised that there's no new Daemonhost (yet).
I have run my Grey Knights with Inquisitors, Voidsmen, Henchmen and Assassins so am so into this - but I can't see it working as a whole army unless there are some new tanks on the way
Is.. is that a Blackshield I see in the Ordo Xenos box though? I only got into Deathwatch at the start of 10th and was gutted when I realised he wasn't an option anymore. They might even undo the whole 'Long Vigil Weapon' nonsense too.. Didn't that change make the Shotgun, Bolt Carbine and Sergeant Plasma/Melta Combi weapons all have the same stats? 😅
This is an army I want to love but cannot because of the implementation. I like the idea of the inquisition even as a narrative or friendly game of 40k. I just don’t like the part where we now have an army with minimal support trying to be its own thing. If the inquisition agents were replaced in the Malleus box with some form of soldier, stormtrooper, even the navy breachers… that would be way cooler. I wish they had a new troop
If i was only play iron hands still i wouldn't care much, however i am starting to slowly build a knight army and having some fun different allies to throw into my knight army does sound good. But man these boxes are getting pretty expensive, aren't they?
Weirdly, I'm interested in Sisters, and Grey Knights, and Deathwatch, but I couldn't care less about the Inquisition or Rogue Traders or whatever. And I assume that's how most people are, they may be interested in mixing in different units into their existing Imperium faction but they don't want to build a grab bag army full of random infantry and characters.
I don’t like how the inquisition has its own massive infantry force, and it seems to have no presence here. We play as members of one of those forces in darktide. There’s a whole lotta bread, lettuce, cheese, and tomato, but absolutely no meat
If the Xenos had had the enforcers I would have been happy, as it would have been models I want (aside from the veterans because I have enough) However; that price, with less than %40 discount, wow. I think GW has pushed me out fully now.
I just like Ordo Hereticus one, just wish it came with an assassin of some sort. Ordo Xenos seems like it'd be more fun to buy if you plan to use some of the models in an TTRPG campaign, less for the 40k wargame. Ordo Malleus... well, it comes with an assassin. That's the best I can say about it.
I’m really underwhelmed by these boxes. The Hereticus one is the only one on theme IMHO. Part of that may be because I have most of those Kill Team sets.
Don't they work in a targeted manner, not as a general battlefield wide blanket effect? They'd be pretty poor assassins if they couldn't get at a specific target because they gave everyone within a one mile radius a horrific feeling that centred on them.
There are books where Culexus Assassins wore chokers or collars that inhibit their indiscriminate blank aura until taken off, and the Animus Speculum itself functions the same way. With that in mind, there's probably no better assassin to send when targeting Daemons and other warp related shenanigans. The Culexus would just have to act as a solo detached element if friendly fire is a concern, but they're specialists in that department anyhow.
I like narrative so my small dream of an heavily kibashed inquisition force for crusade is now on the horison. iam pretty excited despite the shit that all of this brings with it
I waited a very long time for this army. Sadly, I don’t really like the way it’s being released. Maybe the codex will make things interesting but as it is now I don’t really see myself spending $215 for a box that doesn’t really give much. Guess I can do Orks.
Does anyone remember 4th addition inquisitor? I don’t know why they strayed from that. (Haven’t been around) but it seems like they are trying to get back to something like that.
I loved the daemonhunters book that they're paying homage to, and the witchhunters one. Seems the modern rules with detachments really piss on the idea of likes of Coteaz requisitioning whoever he damn well pleases.
Honestly Boarding Patrol Imperial Agents was better than any of these boxes. 20 Navy Breachers, Euclidian Starstriders and a Eversor Assassin. Made narrative sense too, a Rogue Trader, their personal retinue and their ship's fighting crew, plus a sneaky assassin. Oh, and much, much cheaper at retail.
Yup. I bought one for my Space Pirate Guard and have had zero regrets. (Well 1 regret: the Breachers are a bit of a pain to assemble lol; but it's not that bad)
sneaky assassin?
@@mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163 Eversor's take the "it still counts as Stealth if there's no witnesses" approach
@@mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163sneaky until it’s go time, then it’s “leave no witnesses”
@@mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163 Eversor battleplan: Sneak, Berserk, EXPLODE.
Can’t wait to see This on the shelves of every war gaming shop for the next 3 years
I’m kind of hoping the LGS is willing to offload it for cheap come November (or November 2025 if that is too soon). This same lgs has a dominion box for $75 but I’m not interested in aos
Behold, what should be standard combat patrols priced and advertised as battleforce boxes.
I guess some of them would be a little too much of a discount at combat patrol but then that overstates the expensive prices of the original kits
AoS does that much better with spearhead...
These boxes are the equivalent of old combat patrols, with the only difference that they now cost twice as much 😮
While I kinda like the ragtag style of the army, I still feel like this is mainly a ploy by GW to make some room in their warehouses. I mean, there might be further reveals later on, but the fact that they didn't even give them some kind of unifying battleline unit to tie it all together doesn't make me all too optimistic for the future of this army beyond 10th. This will of course also depend on the rules and on how well people take to the army. But it has this "ok guys, you have 10 minutes, throw something together but make do with what you have" kinda vibe.
I’m really surprised they don’t use scions or storm troopers or something as their main battle line troops
I think they might be changing some of the current non-battleline to battleline cause it seems the Acolytes are getting a bit of a highlight by being in all three.
I’m pretty sure “inquisitor henchmen” will be battleline for the faction given how they’re desperately trying to spam them to make them happen
Yeah
I have wanted an Inquisition army for ages, and I honestly loe the idea of a "DIY 'make your own army" kind of faction, which this could very well be...
... but it feels very slapdash from what we've seen, and unless there's a lot in the rules we just don't know about yet (like being able to steal 500pts from an existing Imperial faction) I just... don't see this lasting.
I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that somehow, someway, it works out, because I think the concept has loads of potential; the execution I'm just finding... iffy.
@@MrJWrizzle we might still get them, via killteam before/around the codex arrives as battleline. Just pray the emprah for it to hapen
I hope they do similarly with the combat patrols for the demon codex, making one for each chaos god. I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to play a specific type of daemon only to realize that there is no combat patrol you can use as a jumping off point or cheaper way to grow your forces.
Demons are likely getting folded into their "God Legion", similar to AOS.
@@emax-1309 that’s probably for the best
It’s easy to say that but when you realize that there’s situations like the “exalted seeker chariot” LITETALLY needing two entire kits to be put together you realize how messed up dameons are rn. There is a reason we got the khorne combat patrol.
@@emax-1309 Sauce?
@@emax-1309 this rumor has been around since 6th edition i dont see it happening now given how this edition gone
Basically all the stuff that doesn't sell slapped into three "discount" boxes with separate rules
With some exceptions. The sisters seem to sell decently well for the normal battle line, and it's actually difficult to get Immolators in a lot of countries for a while now.
That said, it seems like it's GW's usual packing one or two desirable models together with a bunch of not that great stuff that is also very overpriced
I think that for the Ordo Xenos box, GW should've doubled down on Deathwatch Vets, and included Tempestus Scions as Inquisitorial Storm Troopers instead of the Rogue Trader Kill Team.
looks like GW had to clear inventory, at least with the Hereticus box there's multiple kill teams in it
The entire imperial agents army feels like an exec walked over the the rules section of the headquarters and told them they have 2 weeks to make something up. They need to clear the warehouses as much as possible for the next mono-load out primaris squad.
Our next wave of primaris lieutenants take up a lot of space, you know. lmao
But if prior codices are any indication, time to flip a coin on which rules team worked on it.
Yeah I agree, though I will enjoy adding battle sisters and their sticky objective control to my knights army.
To me Imperial Agents is a release for the collectors and narrative players, not competitive. I love the fact they did it as I currently play 500 points Crusade games and Boarding Actions where they fit in perfectly as a small ragged group. GW announced that even individual Inquisitors can be played in their own Crusade when joining a different faction - again something very appealing to narrative games.
those Inquisitorial Henchmen kits must not have been selling (due to being completely useless).
"That's...just 2000 points of Kill Teams"
2000? Try 400 maybe
Rolls up lemon Russ punisher
guess I'm an odd one out and actually excited for this codex and army, as I had already been working on building one already. Now that we know we are gonna get access to more than just the killteams to support them, I am happy. For those who aren't happy about it.. well I guess this army just isn't for you cause the unique units for them are quite literally the Killteams and characters they have had for a while that us actual Imperial Agents fans have been asking for a means to actually run as a functioning army.
So chaos can’t be separated into their appropriate mono god corners but we have room for this kinda thing?
rumour is daemons are being separate out into the monogod legions to expand those codex's , inquisition has always had some level of interests and is a revival of something that once was not something new
Since we know Emperor's Children is gonna be a thing in the future, I wouldn't be shocked to see Daemons get split up and rolled into each of their corresponding csm legions.
Be careful. I've heard they will split demaons up into the chaos factions. Tzeench into tons etc.
Out of three, only deathwatch box that is really worth to get because of the corvus blackstar
That we probably can't use in Game
it isnt. The corvus is quite cheap buy through ebay or other pages. I've seen it at 35 euros multiple times already. And might just get cheaper with deathwatch no longer being a codex army an new battleforce arriving.
Its only expensive if you look at the official store/retailer. An immolator on the other hand... good luck getting it below 75% of GW price.
I thought about it as I have a small (and mostly still unassembled) Deathwatch force, but the Corvus makes it worthless to me as I hate flyers.
I’m interested in being able to add battle sisters to my Knights army. Sticky objective will be a game changer
I've been slowly building an Imperial Agents army for a while now, unfortunately I don't want any of these new boxes as I already have the majority of the models, i'll definitely be getting a copy of the codex and I expect I'll pick up the Blackstone fortress models individually, I'm crossing my fingers that they've not done away with karamazov as my finecast one took flipping ages to clean up and build
Lair of the beast gets you a navigator ans both blackstone priests for 35
honestly buying Blackstone fortress isn't a bad investment in itself how much these models are bundled.
hes unlisted online so likely heading for legends.
Get a real Old School imperium vibe from this. Not waves of people in power armour or single military division. Love the variety - but will see if it gets support and lasts.
I really like the idea of Imperial Agents, let's folks use their extra non40k models too, but these prices are gonna nuke a LOT of hype.
This should’ve been a supplement. We don’t need a whole codex for Killteam squads and random imperial units. I’d give half the armies in the game a better range before making up stuff like this.
That would have been nice for sure.
This wouldn’t feel like a cash-in if GW had least put the effort in to make maybe a “stormtrooper upgrade sprue” to give heads, arms etc on IG/enforcers/RT models to make Stormtroopers
they can not give proper upgrade sprue for marines.
xD
@@BloodyArchangelus This would be human troops, not marines.
but yeah, they fail at proper upgrade sprues for regular marines
@@BloodyArchangelus they can supply, they're just bad: hence BA :'D
I'd like an attempt, so I can point out just their incompetence at making the kits, rather than both that AND their laziness at not even making kits.
@@darko-man8549 they can not supply. 40K team hate 40K with passion and reserve all plastic for aos+ sweet dei points. Only 30k team is based enough. But Gw separate sales of department. That’s why we can not have good things from 30k.
Funny thing though, the Boarding Patrol was top notch for the price. 3 complete kill team kits and an Assasin for below 100€ (if you did not buy it at GW). Guess iam stacked now for the Release, since i have most of the Stuff i need. xD
$215 USD is just insane. Hard pass
Fr their pricing is just blatantly unacceptable at this stage
They moan about 3d printing, and proceed with this rubbish.... there is absolutely no justification for plastic toys to gouge like this.
It’s a big discount, how is it insane?
@@Jason-gq8fo the price being as high as it is to begin with is insane. Even when heavily discounted it's almost too much to justify spending
@@teejay1646don’t buy the box then. But for others it’s a good start
As a big fan of the Rogue Trader and Navigator house lore, I'm happy to get a codex, but it isn't super encouraging that deathwatch seems to be headed the wrong direction (WHY would they drop primaris support??), to say nothing of the downgrade of the new Coteaz mini. I hope we get some inquisitorial stormtroopers down the line to hopefully fill some gaps.
They really did loyal Deathwatch players dirty.
i´d like to point out, the absence of the officio assassinorum
Lets not forget every time the inquisiton gets a codex it rarely lasts
I've got my fingers crossed pretty hard for Inquisitorial Land Raiders making a comeback. I have a couple, and my Redeemer decked out to fit in with my SoB is particularly sadly missed. Land Raiders would also really help them with hard targets from a practical point of view.
Maybe my custum build inquisition army will be finally be playable😁😁
They never saw a battlefield, but that was the desteny, for the inquisitions army a long time
These boxes really appeal to me. I’m more of a narrative/open war player and I have Blackstone Fortress and a four regular armies for match play (Space Marines, Ad Mech, Tyranids and Orcs). These boxes will allow me to field playable Imperial soup armies and pick up a few Sister and Grey Knights. I’m glad the GW is making stuff for people who want more than a hyper competitive tournament list.
The best way to cover all your faces is to collect black Templars and throw inquisition shoulder pads grey nights and sisters of battle. It’s kind of expensive, but I’m an old fart with lots of money.
I'm kinda sad that as an ignorant noobie I chose the Deathwatch as my first and thus far only army mainly because of their cool look and now they are probably gone as an army. Tho I guess being rolled into Inquisition might be a good thing and give them more support and maybe even new models.
Tho I do need to admit that back then the DW veteran squad was some of the coolest models in 40k, I love those hammers, xenophase blades and infernus heavy bolters
The loss of Deathwatch wouldn't have been so painful if this new imperial agents army weren't such a blatantly phoned-in cash grab. Awful henchmen kits everywhere, and not an inquisitorial stormtrooper to be seen.
Exactly. At least throw in a “stormtrooper upgrade kit” with heads and arms to convert the enforcers or rogue traders or standard IG to troopers
@@darko-man8549 tbf scions painted black and red are storm troopers if they want to give them a datasheet
Where did you see any losing of deathwatch?
@@AshesMade In the imperial agents announcement article. Deathwatch is going away as a standalone faction, and it's implied that we'll be left with only four datasheets. You can either play them as part of an Ordo Xenos detachment, or as allies to a codex space marines detachment.
It’s GW, this is what I expect from them. They even said that GK and Deathwatch are basically still getting codexes, so this is literally just a shitty cash grab till the new GK models come out. Plus the Coteaz is so awful I can’t even put it into words
This feels like a fire sale
Very interested in that Xenos box. I don't think the Deathwatch Veterans are in threat of imminent update, as they're already pretty much in correct scale for firstborn marines.
Malleus getting two Henchman squads is pretty lame, should've gotten Voidsmen or something. Should've swapped the Priests so the Vindictor one goes with the Sisters.
I already have all of these models except the deamon hunters.
I hope the codex is good. I’m a narrative player and this fits in with my Rogue Trader plans and works well with my kill team/necromunds/Battlefleet goth games and groups. I’ve been playing this game/concept since 1987.
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Stormtroopers would of helped solidified the feel of the army. Plus a common original vehicle.
It really looks like these boxes rely on the vehicles for a discount. If I wanted an Inqusition army, I'd buy a bunch of kill teams for half the cost and then run a hero or two.
Codex: Recycled Kits Battelforce boxes are decent deal for people who want to get into or play Kill Team (sell off the rest), otherwise hard pass. The fact GW ran out of ideas and just throw in two of the same Kill Teams in the Malleus box is just the cherry on top. I'm also ignoring the fact that for the Malleus box, only the GK, Culexus assassin and Coteaz makes sense.
Hmmm i dont know. Corteaz could take much more henchmen then any other inquisitor back then in 4tj ed.
Hmm i dont know. Corteaz came first as a metal miniature in a box with some henchmen. He could also take much more with him then any other Inquisitor back in 4th ed.
I'm aiming for the Hereticus box set. Mainly as I'm building a Sisters army at the moment and the only duplicate model I'll end up with is the Priest.
Very much looking forward to the new book. Codex Daemonhunters was my favourite 3rd edition codex :)
RIP stand alone Deathwatch my beloved.
i actually liked them but glad i didnt pick them up sorry for your lost
For the long vigil 😢
I swear GW is spying on me and doing this shit to any army I try to start. I'm going back to 9th.
@@LeCharles07try orks and join the WAAAGH yes we got nerfed but we are always having a fun time because we are a bunch of 'fungis'
It's been suggested that you can still run a deathwatch army by some understandings of the rules so unless GW have updated saying no there is still hope till we have the codex in our hands
thinking about WHAT units will we be able to take in an Agents army of we run pure agents.
what Tanks/Vehicles will we be able to field besides Transports.
That black star is looking at me like buy me… buy me…
I really hope there are rules for Inquisitorial stormtroopers again, but I doubt it as they haven't been mentioned and aren't offered in any of these boxes.
The whole Imperial Agents idea. Looks like something GW could put very little effort into if they don’t sell all that great now and something they might get rid of again in 12th edition.
What's really interesting to me is the Blackstone Fortress models. The Navigator was a named character moved to Legends that I guess they're bringing back out into the fold? Wonder how many more will end up being that way? I'd love to see the Ambull and Guardian Drones be allowed for total flavor.
I'm just pretty pleased I got all the previous things related in the hope at some point we got Codex Imperial Weirdos - so I picked up Ashes of Faith, Blackstone Fortress (back when it was on sale for £70!) and the Imperial Agents boarding patrol box, as well as a box of Arbites. Got Cartavolnus too which I believe you can run as a regular inquisitor so pretty happy all round with just the codex.
It’s cool cause I started a side project of making my own inquisitor and agents just to paint and build. But because of this I already own the kill team kits so the boxes wouldn’t give me loads. The hereticus is best for me since I can at least make the second set of henchmen with the variants models and just have a few dupes
The only one that interests me is the Hereticus box as it would go a long way to rounding out my Kill Team collections. I don't have the Arbites, Imperial Agents, or SoB. But with the Blood Angels box coming out soon, if I have to choose between that and one of these...
$215 to invest in an army that probably won't even have a real army rule is insane, just buy 3d printed Stormtroopers and whatnot at this point you'll save an arm and leg
I guess that you could also play the Deathwatch marines with the space marine codex and sup in the Inquisition stuff, so in that sense you get options to play detatchments from several codexes
Interested to see how this new codex plays out as a whole. The issue I see is that the new Adepta Sororitas codex was very good. However, it was so good because of the Sisters' specific mechanics like Bringers of Flame. So if the new Imperial Agents doesn't let Sisters units take their mechanics, then why not just play the super strong Sororitas list (hard to see what I'd want to sub into a top tier list from the agents codex unless there's something groundbreaking). This seems like more of an Allies book, not worthy of full codex pricing. Remember when GW used to just release these rules in a sub-$10 edition of White Dwarf?
Malleus seems like a real hard sell with the potential for new GK Terminators on the horizon
People keep saying that - but most likely the Grey Knights won't get refreshed until 11th - which could easily mean 3 more years of waiting as I doubt they will be in the initial release of that edition. And people have been saying they are waiting for the refresh even last year... so if GK are your planned secondary army, sure waiting makes sense. But if you actually want to start playing them the question becomes how long will you wait for the release... the longer GW makes you wait the bigger the chance is they will sell old models and then people will re-buy the newer anyhow.
This primaris range refreshes are handled so badly from the consumer perspective. The change is too massive to mix older and newer models and at the same time it drags over a decade as they keep releasing pointless variation of units to just field different weapon loadouts... less unit variation would have been a bliss for both none SM as well as SM players.
@@erih2934they already confirmed in that article that the codex is up in 2025 for GK, and since this is the terminator edition there’s a good chance GK will get a refresh
the Xenos box is amazing value for Dark Heresy and other 40k ttrpgs
It’s hard to tell what is good without the rules. One box may be amazing fun while another may be useless, but we won’t find out until we get the codex. Hard gamble for people I think.
It means you are going to have to take allies in most cases to deal with armor, particularly in the current vehicle meta.
I'm interested in the Ordo Xenos set, I was going to get all the kits in it except the inquisitor at some point individually so it's a win for me.
Ordo Malleus looks like a lot of old plastic.
I do like the overall idea of the Ordo Hereticus.
Trying to be carfully optimistic about hte Ordo Xenos, but it is a struggle. Gonna be interesting to see some rules and acctuall prices.
For once, some box sets that will not sell out
I don't have any of the Kill Teams in the Hereticus box yet. I'm thrilled
Ordo Xenos, Hereticus are perfect for my warth and glory games
I will quote one sentence from UA-cam, which can point out the problem immediately:
"That's just...2000 points of Kill Team🤦🏻♂️"
So yeah, past👋🏻
Oh yay, it sounds exactly what I was going for.. more for me then.
Was already planning to get all of the Ordo Xenos kits, so I for one am excited lol
I already own a copy of all the various Kill Team kits (Navy Breachers, Arbites, Rogue Traders, and Henchmen). I own a 2,500 point Sisters of Battle Army. I've never particularly liked Grey Knights or their models. Deathwatch seems like it would be better served in Kill Team, although I am not a fan of 5'6" first-born marines. I own Blackstone Fortress, I have a Greyfax, and some 3rd-party and kit-bashed inquisitors, and could kit-bash together some assassins if I wanted to. Basically, that covers everything I could get out of one of these boxes up to and including vehicles.
I might get a codex eventually.
I do really want to know what the Priest and the Nav do, may need to find one of each for my Templars
I'm kinda interested in the Herteticus one, but more because it's a discount for some useful Sisters reinforcements and two units for Kill Team than it's actual intention. This really is a weird, phoned in release. They really could have done with a other retinue sprue with Jokero and Deamonhosts on it to actually be a bit scary and have some takedown power.
I was hopeful first but these boxes just feel bad
I doubt it but I feel like based on the points cost and the fact that there are three boxes GW should make these battleforces specifically cheaper. Maybe $180. It would make the discount better and mitigate the lower points in the box. It might encourage more people to purchase multiple.
I own every single character in agents so hyped to have 14 characters runing around tje board
The largest problem with the boxes imo is that if you own a few of the kits in them then the boxes strike me as useless due to so many of the units being unique picks with either mono poses or characters so if you buy let's say Malleus then there's no point buying the others. Compare this to Imperial Guard where you (most likely) already have some infantry but there's (almost) always room for more and if there are more than one battle box you can more often than not grab one of each as long as your wallet allows it.
That said, once these units are sold separately I'll definitely pick up the kits I don't already own. Also a bit surprised that there's no new Daemonhost (yet).
I have run my Grey Knights with Inquisitors, Voidsmen, Henchmen and Assassins so am so into this - but I can't see it working as a whole army unless there are some new tanks on the way
I will say that I love the rouge trader lasgun guys. wish they were plastic and had different posses. would field an army of them
Well I might need to buy the sisters one since i havent been able to find immolators anywhere
I would have liked all the options for a henchmen in each boxset.
Rip to my entire Deathwatch army even though the faction was so unbelievably terrible:( This I feel makes it sting just a little more.
I am just getting into 40k and im playing knights so this is just great timing lol
Is.. is that a Blackshield I see in the Ordo Xenos box though?
I only got into Deathwatch at the start of 10th and was gutted when I realised he wasn't an option anymore.
They might even undo the whole 'Long Vigil Weapon' nonsense too..
Didn't that change make the Shotgun, Bolt Carbine and Sergeant Plasma/Melta Combi weapons all have the same stats? 😅
its a hard pick, but the Ordo Xenos and Ordo Malleus have most of my attention.
This is an army I want to love but cannot because of the implementation. I like the idea of the inquisition even as a narrative or friendly game of 40k. I just don’t like the part where we now have an army with minimal support trying to be its own thing.
If the inquisition agents were replaced in the Malleus box with some form of soldier, stormtrooper, even the navy breachers… that would be way cooler. I wish they had a new troop
If i was only play iron hands still i wouldn't care much, however i am starting to slowly build a knight army and having some fun different allies to throw into my knight army does sound good. But man these boxes are getting pretty expensive, aren't they?
I'll tell you what might put people off: the horrendous price.
Weirdly, I'm interested in Sisters, and Grey Knights, and Deathwatch, but I couldn't care less about the Inquisition or Rogue Traders or whatever. And I assume that's how most people are, they may be interested in mixing in different units into their existing Imperium faction but they don't want to build a grab bag army full of random infantry and characters.
I don’t like how the inquisition has its own massive infantry force, and it seems to have no presence here. We play as members of one of those forces in darktide. There’s a whole lotta bread, lettuce, cheese, and tomato, but absolutely no meat
Get the hereticus and xenos box. You get the rogue trader kill team, the arbites kill team, and the henchmen kill team. Sell all the rest. Profit.
Kinda wish they’d done eisenhorn for the xenos
Love Auspex Tactics but I am feeling very butthurt
If the Xenos had had the enforcers I would have been happy, as it would have been models I want (aside from the veterans because I have enough)
However; that price, with less than %40 discount, wow.
I think GW has pushed me out fully now.
Compare this to the already announced Blood Angels release upcoming, and this has "clearing the warehouse" written all over it.
Old kits, packaged with Kill Teams that are most likely going to be squated in the next edition of KT. Lazy cash grab.
I just like Ordo Hereticus one, just wish it came with an assassin of some sort. Ordo Xenos seems like it'd be more fun to buy if you plan to use some of the models in an TTRPG campaign, less for the 40k wargame. Ordo Malleus... well, it comes with an assassin. That's the best I can say about it.
Already looking to 3d print malleus
The problem i have is that's another $60 codex if I want to use my inquisitor or assassin with my Sisters
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I’m really underwhelmed by these boxes. The Hereticus one is the only one on theme IMHO. Part of that may be because I have most of those Kill Team sets.
So, fluff wise, the Culexus would totally negate Grey Knights being psykers. They should have gone with any of the other assassins.
Don't they work in a targeted manner, not as a general battlefield wide blanket effect? They'd be pretty poor assassins if they couldn't get at a specific target because they gave everyone within a one mile radius a horrific feeling that centred on them.
There are books where Culexus Assassins wore chokers or collars that inhibit their indiscriminate blank aura until taken off, and the Animus Speculum itself functions the same way. With that in mind, there's probably no better assassin to send when targeting Daemons and other warp related shenanigans. The Culexus would just have to act as a solo detached element if friendly fire is a concern, but they're specialists in that department anyhow.
Wasn't an issue for them back in daemonhunters.
I like narrative so my small dream of an heavily kibashed inquisition force for crusade is now on the horison. iam pretty excited despite the shit that all of this brings with it
I waited a very long time for this army. Sadly, I don’t really like the way it’s being released. Maybe the codex will make things interesting but as it is now I don’t really see myself spending $215 for a box that doesn’t really give much. Guess I can do Orks.
this is just a combat patrol box being offered as a battleforce
I can run all 4 assassins again. As for heavy hitters, just take Canis Rex ally
Does anyone remember 4th addition inquisitor? I don’t know why they strayed from that. (Haven’t been around) but it seems like they are trying to get back to something like that.
I loved the daemonhunters book that they're paying homage to, and the witchhunters one. Seems the modern rules with detachments really piss on the idea of likes of Coteaz requisitioning whoever he damn well pleases.
I’m kind of curious where the inquisitorial storm troopers are? like a re-crafting of the old school metal minis like…the fuck??