Imperial Agents Battleforces - Good Deal or Not? Rating the Ordo Xenos, Hereticus + Malleus Boxes

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  • @cptkrank6802
    @cptkrank6802 Місяць тому +138

    Honestly Boarding Patrol Imperial Agents was better than any of these boxes. 20 Navy Breachers, Euclidian Starstriders and a Eversor Assassin. Made narrative sense too, a Rogue Trader, their personal retinue and their ship's fighting crew, plus a sneaky assassin. Oh, and much, much cheaper at retail.

    • @mistformsquirrel
      @mistformsquirrel Місяць тому +9

      Yup. I bought one for my Space Pirate Guard and have had zero regrets. (Well 1 regret: the Breachers are a bit of a pain to assemble lol; but it's not that bad)

    • @mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163
      @mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163 Місяць тому +9

      sneaky assassin?

    • @mistformsquirrel
      @mistformsquirrel Місяць тому +14

      @@mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163 Eversor's take the "it still counts as Stealth if there's no witnesses" approach

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Місяць тому

      @@mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163sneaky until it’s go time, then it’s “leave no witnesses”

    • @cptkrank6802
      @cptkrank6802 Місяць тому +5

      @@mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163 Eversor battleplan: Sneak, Berserk, EXPLODE.

  • @hailon_rias7341
    @hailon_rias7341 Місяць тому +69

    Can’t wait to see This on the shelves of every war gaming shop for the next 3 years

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Місяць тому +4

      I’m kind of hoping the LGS is willing to offload it for cheap come November (or November 2025 if that is too soon). This same lgs has a dominion box for $75 but I’m not interested in aos

  • @Flamespotz
    @Flamespotz Місяць тому +78

    Behold, what should be standard combat patrols priced and advertised as battleforce boxes.
    I guess some of them would be a little too much of a discount at combat patrol but then that overstates the expensive prices of the original kits

    • @EruCoolGuy
      @EruCoolGuy Місяць тому

      AoS does that much better with spearhead...

  • @dominikvonlavante6113
    @dominikvonlavante6113 Місяць тому +40

    These boxes are the equivalent of old combat patrols, with the only difference that they now cost twice as much 😮

  • @ElGrompho666
    @ElGrompho666 Місяць тому +112

    While I kinda like the ragtag style of the army, I still feel like this is mainly a ploy by GW to make some room in their warehouses. I mean, there might be further reveals later on, but the fact that they didn't even give them some kind of unifying battleline unit to tie it all together doesn't make me all too optimistic for the future of this army beyond 10th. This will of course also depend on the rules and on how well people take to the army. But it has this "ok guys, you have 10 minutes, throw something together but make do with what you have" kinda vibe.

    • @MrJWrizzle
      @MrJWrizzle Місяць тому +24

      I’m really surprised they don’t use scions or storm troopers or something as their main battle line troops

    • @thejestor9378
      @thejestor9378 Місяць тому +5

      I think they might be changing some of the current non-battleline to battleline cause it seems the Acolytes are getting a bit of a highlight by being in all three.

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Місяць тому +7

      I’m pretty sure “inquisitor henchmen” will be battleline for the faction given how they’re desperately trying to spam them to make them happen

    • @mistformsquirrel
      @mistformsquirrel Місяць тому +3

      Yeah
      I have wanted an Inquisition army for ages, and I honestly loe the idea of a "DIY 'make your own army" kind of faction, which this could very well be...
      ... but it feels very slapdash from what we've seen, and unless there's a lot in the rules we just don't know about yet (like being able to steal 500pts from an existing Imperial faction) I just... don't see this lasting.
      I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that somehow, someway, it works out, because I think the concept has loads of potential; the execution I'm just finding... iffy.

    • @guillercuastico
      @guillercuastico Місяць тому +2

      @@MrJWrizzle we might still get them, via killteam before/around the codex arrives as battleline. Just pray the emprah for it to hapen

  • @SnowFoxWithAGasMask
    @SnowFoxWithAGasMask Місяць тому +63

    I hope they do similarly with the combat patrols for the demon codex, making one for each chaos god. I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to play a specific type of daemon only to realize that there is no combat patrol you can use as a jumping off point or cheaper way to grow your forces.

    • @emax-1309
      @emax-1309 Місяць тому +16

      Demons are likely getting folded into their "God Legion", similar to AOS.

    • @SnowFoxWithAGasMask
      @SnowFoxWithAGasMask Місяць тому +11

      @@emax-1309 that’s probably for the best

    • @tyranitorn8632
      @tyranitorn8632 Місяць тому +4

      It’s easy to say that but when you realize that there’s situations like the “exalted seeker chariot” LITETALLY needing two entire kits to be put together you realize how messed up dameons are rn. There is a reason we got the khorne combat patrol.

    • @stephenwitham
      @stephenwitham Місяць тому +1

      @@emax-1309 Sauce?

    • @Recoveres
      @Recoveres Місяць тому +5

      @@emax-1309 this rumor has been around since 6th edition i dont see it happening now given how this edition gone

  • @Ceiling_Gato
    @Ceiling_Gato Місяць тому +20

    Basically all the stuff that doesn't sell slapped into three "discount" boxes with separate rules

    • @reappermen
      @reappermen Місяць тому

      With some exceptions. The sisters seem to sell decently well for the normal battle line, and it's actually difficult to get Immolators in a lot of countries for a while now.
      That said, it seems like it's GW's usual packing one or two desirable models together with a bunch of not that great stuff that is also very overpriced

  • @rambunctiousmedia3350
    @rambunctiousmedia3350 Місяць тому +21

    I think that for the Ordo Xenos box, GW should've doubled down on Deathwatch Vets, and included Tempestus Scions as Inquisitorial Storm Troopers instead of the Rogue Trader Kill Team.

  • @powrongster
    @powrongster Місяць тому +11

    looks like GW had to clear inventory, at least with the Hereticus box there's multiple kill teams in it

  • @_Morph1ne_
    @_Morph1ne_ Місяць тому +23

    The entire imperial agents army feels like an exec walked over the the rules section of the headquarters and told them they have 2 weeks to make something up. They need to clear the warehouses as much as possible for the next mono-load out primaris squad.

    • @marauder340
      @marauder340 Місяць тому +3

      Our next wave of primaris lieutenants take up a lot of space, you know. lmao
      But if prior codices are any indication, time to flip a coin on which rules team worked on it.

    • @AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th
      @AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th Місяць тому

      Yeah I agree, though I will enjoy adding battle sisters and their sticky objective control to my knights army.

  • @erih2934
    @erih2934 Місяць тому +6

    To me Imperial Agents is a release for the collectors and narrative players, not competitive. I love the fact they did it as I currently play 500 points Crusade games and Boarding Actions where they fit in perfectly as a small ragged group. GW announced that even individual Inquisitors can be played in their own Crusade when joining a different faction - again something very appealing to narrative games.

  • @emdeo
    @emdeo Місяць тому +13

    those Inquisitorial Henchmen kits must not have been selling (due to being completely useless).

  • @mscomies
    @mscomies Місяць тому +80

    "That's...just 2000 points of Kill Teams"

  • @thejestor9378
    @thejestor9378 Місяць тому +13

    guess I'm an odd one out and actually excited for this codex and army, as I had already been working on building one already. Now that we know we are gonna get access to more than just the killteams to support them, I am happy. For those who aren't happy about it.. well I guess this army just isn't for you cause the unique units for them are quite literally the Killteams and characters they have had for a while that us actual Imperial Agents fans have been asking for a means to actually run as a functioning army.

  • @vinnythewebsurfer
    @vinnythewebsurfer Місяць тому +10

    So chaos can’t be separated into their appropriate mono god corners but we have room for this kinda thing?

    • @yuruna1661
      @yuruna1661 Місяць тому

      rumour is daemons are being separate out into the monogod legions to expand those codex's , inquisition has always had some level of interests and is a revival of something that once was not something new

    • @Dramatic_Gaming
      @Dramatic_Gaming Місяць тому

      Since we know Emperor's Children is gonna be a thing in the future, I wouldn't be shocked to see Daemons get split up and rolled into each of their corresponding csm legions.

    • @jeremiegartner464
      @jeremiegartner464 Місяць тому +1

      Be careful. I've heard they will split demaons up into the chaos factions. Tzeench into tons etc.

  • @RevanR
    @RevanR Місяць тому +16

    Out of three, only deathwatch box that is really worth to get because of the corvus blackstar

    • @thelegendsmith3063
      @thelegendsmith3063 Місяць тому +2

      That we probably can't use in Game

    • @guillercuastico
      @guillercuastico Місяць тому +8

      it isnt. The corvus is quite cheap buy through ebay or other pages. I've seen it at 35 euros multiple times already. And might just get cheaper with deathwatch no longer being a codex army an new battleforce arriving.
      Its only expensive if you look at the official store/retailer. An immolator on the other hand... good luck getting it below 75% of GW price.

    • @manyslayer5889
      @manyslayer5889 Місяць тому +1

      I thought about it as I have a small (and mostly still unassembled) Deathwatch force, but the Corvus makes it worthless to me as I hate flyers.

    • @AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th
      @AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th Місяць тому +1

      I’m interested in being able to add battle sisters to my Knights army. Sticky objective will be a game changer

  • @unf0ld
    @unf0ld Місяць тому +7

    I've been slowly building an Imperial Agents army for a while now, unfortunately I don't want any of these new boxes as I already have the majority of the models, i'll definitely be getting a copy of the codex and I expect I'll pick up the Blackstone fortress models individually, I'm crossing my fingers that they've not done away with karamazov as my finecast one took flipping ages to clean up and build

    • @jeremiegartner464
      @jeremiegartner464 Місяць тому +1

      Lair of the beast gets you a navigator ans both blackstone priests for 35

    • @Teddyd583
      @Teddyd583 Місяць тому +1

      honestly buying Blackstone fortress isn't a bad investment in itself how much these models are bundled.

    • @Rhod-wg7yt
      @Rhod-wg7yt Місяць тому

      hes unlisted online so likely heading for legends.

  • @joeflitton8034
    @joeflitton8034 Місяць тому +2

    Get a real Old School imperium vibe from this. Not waves of people in power armour or single military division. Love the variety - but will see if it gets support and lasts.

  • @docterfantazmo
    @docterfantazmo Місяць тому +3

    I really like the idea of Imperial Agents, let's folks use their extra non40k models too, but these prices are gonna nuke a LOT of hype.

  • @Malllttt
    @Malllttt Місяць тому +14

    This should’ve been a supplement. We don’t need a whole codex for Killteam squads and random imperial units. I’d give half the armies in the game a better range before making up stuff like this.

    • @SmashingSnow
      @SmashingSnow Місяць тому +2

      That would have been nice for sure.

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 Місяць тому +4

    This wouldn’t feel like a cash-in if GW had least put the effort in to make maybe a “stormtrooper upgrade sprue” to give heads, arms etc on IG/enforcers/RT models to make Stormtroopers

    • @BloodyArchangelus
      @BloodyArchangelus Місяць тому

      they can not give proper upgrade sprue for marines.
      xD

    • @darko-man8549
      @darko-man8549 Місяць тому

      @@BloodyArchangelus This would be human troops, not marines.
      but yeah, they fail at proper upgrade sprues for regular marines

    • @darko-man8549
      @darko-man8549 Місяць тому

      @@BloodyArchangelus they can supply, they're just bad: hence BA :'D
      I'd like an attempt, so I can point out just their incompetence at making the kits, rather than both that AND their laziness at not even making kits.

    • @BloodyArchangelus
      @BloodyArchangelus Місяць тому

      @@darko-man8549 they can not supply. 40K team hate 40K with passion and reserve all plastic for aos+ sweet dei points. Only 30k team is based enough. But Gw separate sales of department. That’s why we can not have good things from 30k.

  • @burnbobquist8999
    @burnbobquist8999 Місяць тому +3

    Funny thing though, the Boarding Patrol was top notch for the price. 3 complete kill team kits and an Assasin for below 100€ (if you did not buy it at GW). Guess iam stacked now for the Release, since i have most of the Stuff i need. xD

  • @connorcowan7606
    @connorcowan7606 Місяць тому +151

    $215 USD is just insane. Hard pass

    • @teejay1646
      @teejay1646 Місяць тому +19

      Fr their pricing is just blatantly unacceptable at this stage

    • @HamstarMK23
      @HamstarMK23 Місяць тому +22

      They moan about 3d printing, and proceed with this rubbish.... there is absolutely no justification for plastic toys to gouge like this.

    • @Jason-gq8fo
      @Jason-gq8fo Місяць тому +1

      It’s a big discount, how is it insane?

    • @teejay1646
      @teejay1646 Місяць тому +19

      @@Jason-gq8fo the price being as high as it is to begin with is insane. Even when heavily discounted it's almost too much to justify spending

    • @Jason-gq8fo
      @Jason-gq8fo Місяць тому

      @@teejay1646don’t buy the box then. But for others it’s a good start

  • @frostmol-rehan3973
    @frostmol-rehan3973 Місяць тому +12

    As a big fan of the Rogue Trader and Navigator house lore, I'm happy to get a codex, but it isn't super encouraging that deathwatch seems to be headed the wrong direction (WHY would they drop primaris support??), to say nothing of the downgrade of the new Coteaz mini. I hope we get some inquisitorial stormtroopers down the line to hopefully fill some gaps.

    • @XHobbiesPrime
      @XHobbiesPrime Місяць тому +1

      They really did loyal Deathwatch players dirty.

  • @123123Bear
    @123123Bear Місяць тому +1

    i´d like to point out, the absence of the officio assassinorum

  • @nanatheneko
    @nanatheneko Місяць тому +3

    Lets not forget every time the inquisiton gets a codex it rarely lasts

  • @Majere613
    @Majere613 Місяць тому +1

    I've got my fingers crossed pretty hard for Inquisitorial Land Raiders making a comeback. I have a couple, and my Redeemer decked out to fit in with my SoB is particularly sadly missed. Land Raiders would also really help them with hard targets from a practical point of view.

  • @TheDoggar
    @TheDoggar Місяць тому +3

    Maybe my custum build inquisition army will be finally be playable😁😁
    They never saw a battlefield, but that was the desteny, for the inquisitions army a long time

  • @kenfeldman4625
    @kenfeldman4625 Місяць тому

    These boxes really appeal to me. I’m more of a narrative/open war player and I have Blackstone Fortress and a four regular armies for match play (Space Marines, Ad Mech, Tyranids and Orcs). These boxes will allow me to field playable Imperial soup armies and pick up a few Sister and Grey Knights. I’m glad the GW is making stuff for people who want more than a hyper competitive tournament list.

  • @Mor4me
    @Mor4me Місяць тому +3

    The best way to cover all your faces is to collect black Templars and throw inquisition shoulder pads grey nights and sisters of battle. It’s kind of expensive, but I’m an old fart with lots of money.

  • @Jaggaraz218
    @Jaggaraz218 Місяць тому +1

    I'm kinda sad that as an ignorant noobie I chose the Deathwatch as my first and thus far only army mainly because of their cool look and now they are probably gone as an army. Tho I guess being rolled into Inquisition might be a good thing and give them more support and maybe even new models.
    Tho I do need to admit that back then the DW veteran squad was some of the coolest models in 40k, I love those hammers, xenophase blades and infernus heavy bolters

  • @MrChiefchili
    @MrChiefchili Місяць тому +41

    The loss of Deathwatch wouldn't have been so painful if this new imperial agents army weren't such a blatantly phoned-in cash grab. Awful henchmen kits everywhere, and not an inquisitorial stormtrooper to be seen.

    • @darko-man8549
      @darko-man8549 Місяць тому +4

      Exactly. At least throw in a “stormtrooper upgrade kit” with heads and arms to convert the enforcers or rogue traders or standard IG to troopers

    • @yuruna1661
      @yuruna1661 Місяць тому

      @@darko-man8549 tbf scions painted black and red are storm troopers if they want to give them a datasheet

    • @AshesMade
      @AshesMade Місяць тому

      Where did you see any losing of deathwatch?

    • @MrChiefchili
      @MrChiefchili Місяць тому +1

      @@AshesMade In the imperial agents announcement article. Deathwatch is going away as a standalone faction, and it's implied that we'll be left with only four datasheets. You can either play them as part of an Ordo Xenos detachment, or as allies to a codex space marines detachment.

    • @milktenders6219
      @milktenders6219 Місяць тому

      It’s GW, this is what I expect from them. They even said that GK and Deathwatch are basically still getting codexes, so this is literally just a shitty cash grab till the new GK models come out. Plus the Coteaz is so awful I can’t even put it into words

  • @stingray4567
    @stingray4567 Місяць тому +2

    This feels like a fire sale

  • @OniGanon
    @OniGanon Місяць тому +2

    Very interested in that Xenos box. I don't think the Deathwatch Veterans are in threat of imminent update, as they're already pretty much in correct scale for firstborn marines.
    Malleus getting two Henchman squads is pretty lame, should've gotten Voidsmen or something. Should've swapped the Priests so the Vindictor one goes with the Sisters.

  • @Riddler_von
    @Riddler_von Місяць тому

    I already have all of these models except the deamon hunters.
    I hope the codex is good. I’m a narrative player and this fits in with my Rogue Trader plans and works well with my kill team/necromunds/Battlefleet goth games and groups. I’ve been playing this game/concept since 1987.
    Space DnD is all I ever wanted, and you (fiends and family) geeks rage about fairness. Take what you love and run with it.
    Thanks brother love your channel.

  • @frankyuengling8074
    @frankyuengling8074 Місяць тому +1

    Stormtroopers would of helped solidified the feel of the army. Plus a common original vehicle.

  • @4ArmedHug
    @4ArmedHug Місяць тому +1

    It really looks like these boxes rely on the vehicles for a discount. If I wanted an Inqusition army, I'd buy a bunch of kill teams for half the cost and then run a hero or two.

  • @knightsljx
    @knightsljx Місяць тому +4

    Codex: Recycled Kits Battelforce boxes are decent deal for people who want to get into or play Kill Team (sell off the rest), otherwise hard pass. The fact GW ran out of ideas and just throw in two of the same Kill Teams in the Malleus box is just the cherry on top. I'm also ignoring the fact that for the Malleus box, only the GK, Culexus assassin and Coteaz makes sense.

    • @Onkel_Ranger
      @Onkel_Ranger Місяць тому

      Hmmm i dont know. Corteaz could take much more henchmen then any other inquisitor back then in 4tj ed.

    • @Onkel_Ranger
      @Onkel_Ranger Місяць тому

      Hmm i dont know. Corteaz came first as a metal miniature in a box with some henchmen. He could also take much more with him then any other Inquisitor back in 4th ed.

  • @dwadland
    @dwadland Місяць тому

    I'm aiming for the Hereticus box set. Mainly as I'm building a Sisters army at the moment and the only duplicate model I'll end up with is the Priest.
    Very much looking forward to the new book. Codex Daemonhunters was my favourite 3rd edition codex :)

  • @domhardiman6437
    @domhardiman6437 Місяць тому +29

    RIP stand alone Deathwatch my beloved.

    • @wolfgangstallionmusic5639
      @wolfgangstallionmusic5639 Місяць тому +2

      i actually liked them but glad i didnt pick them up sorry for your lost

    • @Damnedlegion40k
      @Damnedlegion40k Місяць тому +5

      For the long vigil 😢

    • @LeCharles07
      @LeCharles07 Місяць тому +4

      I swear GW is spying on me and doing this shit to any army I try to start. I'm going back to 9th.

    • @digitalpickleridgy2971
      @digitalpickleridgy2971 Місяць тому

      ​@@LeCharles07try orks and join the WAAAGH yes we got nerfed but we are always having a fun time because we are a bunch of 'fungis'

    • @alanrickett2537
      @alanrickett2537 Місяць тому

      It's been suggested that you can still run a deathwatch army by some understandings of the rules so unless GW have updated saying no there is still hope till we have the codex in our hands

  • @NecroGoblin-yl2fx
    @NecroGoblin-yl2fx Місяць тому +1

    thinking about WHAT units will we be able to take in an Agents army of we run pure agents.
    what Tanks/Vehicles will we be able to field besides Transports.

  • @jamescreed6259
    @jamescreed6259 Місяць тому

    That black star is looking at me like buy me… buy me…

  • @manyslayer5889
    @manyslayer5889 Місяць тому

    I really hope there are rules for Inquisitorial stormtroopers again, but I doubt it as they haven't been mentioned and aren't offered in any of these boxes.

  • @severintw
    @severintw Місяць тому +1

    The whole Imperial Agents idea. Looks like something GW could put very little effort into if they don’t sell all that great now and something they might get rid of again in 12th edition.

  • @RowdiesFan1
    @RowdiesFan1 Місяць тому

    What's really interesting to me is the Blackstone Fortress models. The Navigator was a named character moved to Legends that I guess they're bringing back out into the fold? Wonder how many more will end up being that way? I'd love to see the Ambull and Guardian Drones be allowed for total flavor.

  • @sonicwingnut
    @sonicwingnut Місяць тому

    I'm just pretty pleased I got all the previous things related in the hope at some point we got Codex Imperial Weirdos - so I picked up Ashes of Faith, Blackstone Fortress (back when it was on sale for £70!) and the Imperial Agents boarding patrol box, as well as a box of Arbites. Got Cartavolnus too which I believe you can run as a regular inquisitor so pretty happy all round with just the codex.

  • @tappedcrayfish4960
    @tappedcrayfish4960 Місяць тому

    It’s cool cause I started a side project of making my own inquisitor and agents just to paint and build. But because of this I already own the kill team kits so the boxes wouldn’t give me loads. The hereticus is best for me since I can at least make the second set of henchmen with the variants models and just have a few dupes

  • @anthonyambrose8783
    @anthonyambrose8783 Місяць тому

    The only one that interests me is the Hereticus box as it would go a long way to rounding out my Kill Team collections. I don't have the Arbites, Imperial Agents, or SoB. But with the Blood Angels box coming out soon, if I have to choose between that and one of these...

  • @kidninja8331
    @kidninja8331 Місяць тому +2

    $215 to invest in an army that probably won't even have a real army rule is insane, just buy 3d printed Stormtroopers and whatnot at this point you'll save an arm and leg

    • @Jaggaraz218
      @Jaggaraz218 Місяць тому

      I guess that you could also play the Deathwatch marines with the space marine codex and sup in the Inquisition stuff, so in that sense you get options to play detatchments from several codexes

  • @aesirgaming1014
    @aesirgaming1014 Місяць тому

    Interested to see how this new codex plays out as a whole. The issue I see is that the new Adepta Sororitas codex was very good. However, it was so good because of the Sisters' specific mechanics like Bringers of Flame. So if the new Imperial Agents doesn't let Sisters units take their mechanics, then why not just play the super strong Sororitas list (hard to see what I'd want to sub into a top tier list from the agents codex unless there's something groundbreaking). This seems like more of an Allies book, not worthy of full codex pricing. Remember when GW used to just release these rules in a sub-$10 edition of White Dwarf?

  • @19jsparker19
    @19jsparker19 Місяць тому +2

    Malleus seems like a real hard sell with the potential for new GK Terminators on the horizon

    • @erih2934
      @erih2934 Місяць тому

      People keep saying that - but most likely the Grey Knights won't get refreshed until 11th - which could easily mean 3 more years of waiting as I doubt they will be in the initial release of that edition. And people have been saying they are waiting for the refresh even last year... so if GK are your planned secondary army, sure waiting makes sense. But if you actually want to start playing them the question becomes how long will you wait for the release... the longer GW makes you wait the bigger the chance is they will sell old models and then people will re-buy the newer anyhow.
      This primaris range refreshes are handled so badly from the consumer perspective. The change is too massive to mix older and newer models and at the same time it drags over a decade as they keep releasing pointless variation of units to just field different weapon loadouts... less unit variation would have been a bliss for both none SM as well as SM players.

    • @snorri8110
      @snorri8110 Місяць тому

      @@erih2934they already confirmed in that article that the codex is up in 2025 for GK, and since this is the terminator edition there’s a good chance GK will get a refresh

  • @zap54312
    @zap54312 Місяць тому

    the Xenos box is amazing value for Dark Heresy and other 40k ttrpgs

  • @Dirt1061
    @Dirt1061 Місяць тому +1

    It’s hard to tell what is good without the rules. One box may be amazing fun while another may be useless, but we won’t find out until we get the codex. Hard gamble for people I think.

  • @shinjofox
    @shinjofox Місяць тому

    It means you are going to have to take allies in most cases to deal with armor, particularly in the current vehicle meta.

  • @BurnInFerNos1
    @BurnInFerNos1 Місяць тому

    I'm interested in the Ordo Xenos set, I was going to get all the kits in it except the inquisitor at some point individually so it's a win for me.

  • @severintw
    @severintw Місяць тому

    Ordo Malleus looks like a lot of old plastic.
    I do like the overall idea of the Ordo Hereticus.

  • @christerprestberg3973
    @christerprestberg3973 Місяць тому

    Trying to be carfully optimistic about hte Ordo Xenos, but it is a struggle. Gonna be interesting to see some rules and acctuall prices.

  • @LysimedVenteel
    @LysimedVenteel Місяць тому +2

    For once, some box sets that will not sell out

  • @Akimbo411
    @Akimbo411 Місяць тому

    I don't have any of the Kill Teams in the Hereticus box yet. I'm thrilled

  • @jorgeroblesreyes9254
    @jorgeroblesreyes9254 Місяць тому

    Ordo Xenos, Hereticus are perfect for my warth and glory games

  • @The_Penguin_8964
    @The_Penguin_8964 Місяць тому +3

    I will quote one sentence from UA-cam, which can point out the problem immediately:
    "That's just...2000 points of Kill Team🤦🏻‍♂️"
    So yeah, past👋🏻

    • @thejestor9378
      @thejestor9378 Місяць тому

      Oh yay, it sounds exactly what I was going for.. more for me then.

  • @AcasualRant
    @AcasualRant Місяць тому

    Was already planning to get all of the Ordo Xenos kits, so I for one am excited lol

  • @B__C__
    @B__C__ Місяць тому

    I already own a copy of all the various Kill Team kits (Navy Breachers, Arbites, Rogue Traders, and Henchmen). I own a 2,500 point Sisters of Battle Army. I've never particularly liked Grey Knights or their models. Deathwatch seems like it would be better served in Kill Team, although I am not a fan of 5'6" first-born marines. I own Blackstone Fortress, I have a Greyfax, and some 3rd-party and kit-bashed inquisitors, and could kit-bash together some assassins if I wanted to. Basically, that covers everything I could get out of one of these boxes up to and including vehicles.
    I might get a codex eventually.

  • @robbynito
    @robbynito Місяць тому

    I do really want to know what the Priest and the Nav do, may need to find one of each for my Templars

  • @andrewlivingston630
    @andrewlivingston630 Місяць тому

    I'm kinda interested in the Herteticus one, but more because it's a discount for some useful Sisters reinforcements and two units for Kill Team than it's actual intention. This really is a weird, phoned in release. They really could have done with a other retinue sprue with Jokero and Deamonhosts on it to actually be a bit scary and have some takedown power.

  • @AsgardMedic
    @AsgardMedic Місяць тому +1

    I was hopeful first but these boxes just feel bad

  • @jonm7512
    @jonm7512 Місяць тому

    I doubt it but I feel like based on the points cost and the fact that there are three boxes GW should make these battleforces specifically cheaper. Maybe $180. It would make the discount better and mitigate the lower points in the box. It might encourage more people to purchase multiple.

  • @johnphil2071
    @johnphil2071 Місяць тому

    I own every single character in agents so hyped to have 14 characters runing around tje board

  • @HHWorldspawn
    @HHWorldspawn Місяць тому

    The largest problem with the boxes imo is that if you own a few of the kits in them then the boxes strike me as useless due to so many of the units being unique picks with either mono poses or characters so if you buy let's say Malleus then there's no point buying the others. Compare this to Imperial Guard where you (most likely) already have some infantry but there's (almost) always room for more and if there are more than one battle box you can more often than not grab one of each as long as your wallet allows it.
    That said, once these units are sold separately I'll definitely pick up the kits I don't already own. Also a bit surprised that there's no new Daemonhost (yet).

  • @jimbusher5895
    @jimbusher5895 Місяць тому

    I have run my Grey Knights with Inquisitors, Voidsmen, Henchmen and Assassins so am so into this - but I can't see it working as a whole army unless there are some new tanks on the way

  • @RAINBOWBEARMAN
    @RAINBOWBEARMAN Місяць тому

    I will say that I love the rouge trader lasgun guys. wish they were plastic and had different posses. would field an army of them

  • @triplea657aaa
    @triplea657aaa Місяць тому

    Well I might need to buy the sisters one since i havent been able to find immolators anywhere

  • @TheGraham27
    @TheGraham27 Місяць тому

    I would have liked all the options for a henchmen in each boxset.

  • @xChaotic1998
    @xChaotic1998 Місяць тому +1

    Rip to my entire Deathwatch army even though the faction was so unbelievably terrible:( This I feel makes it sting just a little more.

  • @thehermitdruid
    @thehermitdruid Місяць тому

    I am just getting into 40k and im playing knights so this is just great timing lol

  • @Astartes_117
    @Astartes_117 Місяць тому

    Is.. is that a Blackshield I see in the Ordo Xenos box though?
    I only got into Deathwatch at the start of 10th and was gutted when I realised he wasn't an option anymore.
    They might even undo the whole 'Long Vigil Weapon' nonsense too..
    Didn't that change make the Shotgun, Bolt Carbine and Sergeant Plasma/Melta Combi weapons all have the same stats? 😅

  • @irateresearcher6360
    @irateresearcher6360 Місяць тому

    its a hard pick, but the Ordo Xenos and Ordo Malleus have most of my attention.

  • @timunderbakke8756
    @timunderbakke8756 Місяць тому

    This is an army I want to love but cannot because of the implementation. I like the idea of the inquisition even as a narrative or friendly game of 40k. I just don’t like the part where we now have an army with minimal support trying to be its own thing.
    If the inquisition agents were replaced in the Malleus box with some form of soldier, stormtrooper, even the navy breachers… that would be way cooler. I wish they had a new troop

  • @kahldris1228
    @kahldris1228 Місяць тому

    If i was only play iron hands still i wouldn't care much, however i am starting to slowly build a knight army and having some fun different allies to throw into my knight army does sound good. But man these boxes are getting pretty expensive, aren't they?

  • @matjov
    @matjov Місяць тому +2

    I'll tell you what might put people off: the horrendous price.

  • @daaaah_whoosh
    @daaaah_whoosh Місяць тому

    Weirdly, I'm interested in Sisters, and Grey Knights, and Deathwatch, but I couldn't care less about the Inquisition or Rogue Traders or whatever. And I assume that's how most people are, they may be interested in mixing in different units into their existing Imperium faction but they don't want to build a grab bag army full of random infantry and characters.

  • @AJ-oj1xy
    @AJ-oj1xy Місяць тому

    I don’t like how the inquisition has its own massive infantry force, and it seems to have no presence here. We play as members of one of those forces in darktide. There’s a whole lotta bread, lettuce, cheese, and tomato, but absolutely no meat

  • @Khalith
    @Khalith Місяць тому

    Get the hereticus and xenos box. You get the rogue trader kill team, the arbites kill team, and the henchmen kill team. Sell all the rest. Profit.

  • @jamescreed6259
    @jamescreed6259 Місяць тому

    Kinda wish they’d done eisenhorn for the xenos

  • @primafacie5029
    @primafacie5029 Місяць тому +15

    Love Auspex Tactics but I am feeling very butthurt

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 Місяць тому

    If the Xenos had had the enforcers I would have been happy, as it would have been models I want (aside from the veterans because I have enough)
    However; that price, with less than %40 discount, wow.
    I think GW has pushed me out fully now.

  • @The_Blackshield
    @The_Blackshield Місяць тому

    Compare this to the already announced Blood Angels release upcoming, and this has "clearing the warehouse" written all over it.

  • @fastcorn777carr9
    @fastcorn777carr9 Місяць тому +1

    Old kits, packaged with Kill Teams that are most likely going to be squated in the next edition of KT. Lazy cash grab.

  • @HaeravonFAQs
    @HaeravonFAQs Місяць тому

    I just like Ordo Hereticus one, just wish it came with an assassin of some sort. Ordo Xenos seems like it'd be more fun to buy if you plan to use some of the models in an TTRPG campaign, less for the 40k wargame. Ordo Malleus... well, it comes with an assassin. That's the best I can say about it.

  • @cirno9349
    @cirno9349 Місяць тому

    Already looking to 3d print malleus

  • @davidbell-w3p
    @davidbell-w3p Місяць тому

    The problem i have is that's another $60 codex if I want to use my inquisitor or assassin with my Sisters

  • @zachhowe98
    @zachhowe98 Місяць тому

    Taking the first day of the bar in an hour, pray for me brothers.

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar2 Місяць тому

    I’m really underwhelmed by these boxes. The Hereticus one is the only one on theme IMHO. Part of that may be because I have most of those Kill Team sets.

  • @LeCharles07
    @LeCharles07 Місяць тому +6

    So, fluff wise, the Culexus would totally negate Grey Knights being psykers. They should have gone with any of the other assassins.

    • @TheLH86
      @TheLH86 Місяць тому

      Don't they work in a targeted manner, not as a general battlefield wide blanket effect? They'd be pretty poor assassins if they couldn't get at a specific target because they gave everyone within a one mile radius a horrific feeling that centred on them.

    • @haze6730
      @haze6730 Місяць тому +2

      There are books where Culexus Assassins wore chokers or collars that inhibit their indiscriminate blank aura until taken off, and the Animus Speculum itself functions the same way. With that in mind, there's probably no better assassin to send when targeting Daemons and other warp related shenanigans. The Culexus would just have to act as a solo detached element if friendly fire is a concern, but they're specialists in that department anyhow.

    • @ninjapirate47
      @ninjapirate47 Місяць тому

      Wasn't an issue for them back in daemonhunters.

  • @randomgamer4730
    @randomgamer4730 Місяць тому

    I like narrative so my small dream of an heavily kibashed inquisition force for crusade is now on the horison. iam pretty excited despite the shit that all of this brings with it

  • @Bobrob1597
    @Bobrob1597 Місяць тому

    I waited a very long time for this army. Sadly, I don’t really like the way it’s being released. Maybe the codex will make things interesting but as it is now I don’t really see myself spending $215 for a box that doesn’t really give much. Guess I can do Orks.

  • @John-rq6lr
    @John-rq6lr Місяць тому +1

    this is just a combat patrol box being offered as a battleforce

  • @myhearn
    @myhearn Місяць тому

    I can run all 4 assassins again. As for heavy hitters, just take Canis Rex ally

  • @Mor4me
    @Mor4me Місяць тому

    Does anyone remember 4th addition inquisitor? I don’t know why they strayed from that. (Haven’t been around) but it seems like they are trying to get back to something like that.

    • @ninjapirate47
      @ninjapirate47 Місяць тому

      I loved the daemonhunters book that they're paying homage to, and the witchhunters one. Seems the modern rules with detachments really piss on the idea of likes of Coteaz requisitioning whoever he damn well pleases.

  • @ScoutSgtZaku
    @ScoutSgtZaku Місяць тому

    I’m kind of curious where the inquisitorial storm troopers are? like a re-crafting of the old school metal minis like…the fuck??