Checking out the Pixio PX277 OLED Max!
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I like the design of this monitor, it has a normal functional stand and looks sleek from the front. My main gripe with most "gaming" monitors is the gamer aestethics and completely useless stands (you know the kind where there are none/barely any adjustments and has pointy feet taking up desk space).
The only counterpoint I'd have to that is if it has VESA mounts, then plenty of people will just use a monitor arm anyway and forgo the stand
Gamer = better
I dream and pray that micro-led comes soon. OLED is fantastic but burn-in just twists the wrong parts of me.
It's really not a big deal anymore.
Don't worry about it, it's a pastime
that is why you have burn in warranties
my understanding is it's getting better, i know i managed with CRT. i'm more worried about PPI 27" on 1440p vs 24"
Best looking 1440P OLED display in terms of cosmetics. Black & black.
As long as you can turn off that power LED during use.
I have two Pixio monitors - one is a 27” 1440p IPS with glorious picture quality. The other is a 32” curved 1440p with great picture quality. I am very tempted for the OLED monitor, but it is north of my budget right now.
i am in the same boat, i have a Pixio27' 1440p and it is amazing!!!! the other two monitors are 1080 and do just what they need as side panels. but ooo OLED boy do i want lol
I've had the PX7 Prime since around 2020. With a little calibration it is just insanely good with color accuracy (average ∆E 0.27 in my case) but the massive overshoots in 165hz on high overdrive had me considering new options and regretting faster/smoother TN panels for gaming. It seems to handle 144hz a bit better though.
That new PX277 seems very promising and the only alternative that could beat the lower contrast yet faster LG 27GL850 (compared to PX7 prime).
Been using 2x Pixio PX277P's as flanking monitors for a couple of years now and they are amazing value for money.
Love me some Pixio, they always have solid monitors.
this is the best priced oled ive seen so far!
They're gonna keep falling. The cheaper they get the more they sell and the more they sell the more they manufacture and economies of scale starts to kick in. You get a cheaper product that's better than previous years. So fuck yea let's go until everyone can afford one of these
It's cheap because it's not 4k, It's 1440p.
If i had one I would rip that ugly matte layer right off! xD
I missed the Acer on sale for $599. :(
Its 27 inch tho so the ppi is still around 108 which is still really good@ShaneMcGrath.
I got the LG C2 oled 42" as a display and I love it. though ive been worried slightly about burn in I run it at around 60 brightness. I'm considering modifying it and printing some shrouds and adding some fans to the back to cool it off. It's my understanding that if you can keep the oled panel cooler it reduces the risk of burn in.
YES I was the weirdo who emailed you on this, thank you!
This actually looks like a really well priced OLED panel. I've been waiting for them to come down in price to the IPS level and now they're getting more reasonable.
I wonder when 10 bit panels are gonna become more of a thing. We can get the colors and brightness
On my own OLED display, I have found that the display's FPS counter always reads 240 when connected to a PC. However when connected to a PS5 the framerate readout was accurate
If im not mistaken this is a lg WOLED panel
What's the frequency on the decorative rgb backlight? Appears flickering on camera.
Waiting to see microleds appear for some competition
But if I get this for home office/gaming, will it ruin me to have to use 1080 monitors at work?
It appears to do the same thing the 49" Samsung G9 OLED does when you disable gaming mode. It disables 240 refresh rate and limits to 120.
What is his point about the refresh rate? I didnt understand that, heavily looking at buying this monitor
OilLED?
Can you report on the panel's use case for productivity work, like is the text fuzzy or sharp and clear? My understanding is the current QD OLED panels are mostly fuzzy while WRGB are sharper for text? Thanks!
The panel limiter is called ABL.
The price makes this an instant win!!!
Well, if it were 4k, I'd sort of agree, but it's 1440. You can get pretty good 4k LCDs (that won't show any burn-in three years from now) for less.
@@RFC3514240hz on an oled is like 360hz on an lcd. The picture quality destroys any lcd.
$700 pre-order
I take my Aorus 48u Oled 5 mounts after they realse it and I buy it from 780 usd, this one is really expensive
@@tolpacourtkoorui one is cheaper
A recommendation from Wendell is like a recommendation from Ron Swanson. I've been waiting on a decent OLED gaming display for a decade and just pulled the trigger on this one based 100% on this video, and large part of that was because he didn't shit on the KVM features. If you get a pass on the KVM and a hearty recommendation for the OLED...ppffffftt take my money
6:50 isn't that the MSI monitor UI? or is MSI a second source of pixio o.o my MSI MAG271CR has this same UI
Great review and I'm so happy to see more options.
I will continue to shout it from the roof tops give me a 16:10 OLED display. 32 inch screen would be even better.
I miss my 1600p display for my actual work, 4k is not necessary because I don't want to deal with the garbage windows display scaling.
Laptops are going back to 16:10 and I want the vertical screen space on a larger screen.
#rant
I am sitting here watching this on a Dell 4:3 LCD monitor circa 2008, at 1280*1024, which is quite on the opposite end of the spectrum. I mostly use this monitor for older emulation and watching older 4:3 media.
The Pixio monitor looks nice, though.
That "always 240 Hz with artificially slowed down progressive update to pretend it's variable rate" approach is certainly _interesting,_ and it makes some of the panel driving circuitry a lot simpler. But it's basically like having a rolling shutter on a camera, and I seriously hope AMD _won't_ certify that as Freesync Premium (not that people pay much attention to that).
It's bad enough that we've had to deal with wobbly image capture for two decades (after so many camera manufacturers took the easy route), we don't need to go back to wobbly image _reproduction_ as well. At least in the CRT days the wobbliness of sensors and screens was in sync (always the same Hz) and sort of cancelled itself out. With variable frame rates it just makes things even worse.
I think in this case it's not exactly because they're trying to be lazy. Because OLED is emissive doing true VRR causes varying brightness, it's a very complicated thing to solve for.
@@SquintyGears - It's not being "lazy", just like using rolling shutters (instead of faster sensors that buffer / capture every pixel at the same time) in cameras isn't being "lazy".
It just means you can use lower-performance parts (or, in this case, not have to dynamically adjust the panel) in exchange for some motion artefacts (in this case, the top of the screen will update before the bottom of the screen, so if you have a large vertical object moving horizontally, it will actually appear to be slightly curved, as happens when using a camera with a rolling shutter).
@@RFC3514 what I mean is that in this case they're trading very distracting brightness varying for essentially a twist on Vsync. From his description I didn't understand that there would be any rolling shutter artifacing. Just some oddity in the delay because it won't refresh when the new frame is ready, instead it is held until the next 240Hz refresh cycle. Which isn't true VRR.
Literally all screen technology we have from CRT to LCD to OLED updates one pixel at a time really quickly... Usually from top left to bottom right. For CRT it's the electron beam hitting the phosphors but after that it's still true for sequencial addressing reasons. That's why the display resolution is called 1080p, 1440p and 2160p. P stands for progressive, as in progressively drawing the frame. That Mythbusters nvidia marketing video from 10 years ago isn't actually how any of it works. They just wanted to show they're so much faster.
Edit: If you don't believe me, look up "how a tv works in slow motion" by the slow mo guys on youtube.
@@SquintyGears - I did mention right at the start that's how CRTs worked. And that was one of the problems with using them as computer monitors (especially at low frame rates).
If a video camera captures the top left of the screen 1/50th of the second before the bottom right, and the monitor displays the top left 1/50th of a second before the bottom right, there is no image deformation. It wasn't exactly 1/50th (it was actually faster) but let's pretend, just to make it simpler.
With variable frame rates and computer-generated images (where every pixel corresponds to the exact same moment in time), the monitor needs to switch all pixels at the same time (or as close to it as possible) to avoid deformation.
And that is what most modern monitors try to do. Even if you're running at 30 frames per second, the monitor updates every pixel as fast as possible then then holds that image for 1/30th of a second. What this one is doing (according to this test) is staggering the update, so the top lines update immediately and the bottom lines update 1/30th of a second later (or whatever the frame rate is). That is definitely not ideal for fast horizontal pans, for example.
BTW, the "p" does stand for progressive but "i" (interlaced) modes _also_ update the frame progressively on CRTs, they just do it twice per frame (odd lines and even lines separately).
The choice of "p" to indicate "non-interlaced" is a bit like the choice of "RAM" (random access memory) to mean normal computer memory. The correct term would have been "read-write memory" (because ROM, or read-only memory is _also_ "random access"). But "RWR" wasn't really something you could pronounce, so they came up with "RAM" to sound similar to "ROM".
The correct term for non-interlaced should be "1080ni", not "1080p" (because 1080i is _also_ "progressive"), but they wanted to reduce it to a single letter and "p" was a kind of compromise (personally I think "c" for "continuous" or "f" for "full-frame" would have been preferable).
Ironically, almost no one uses interlaced modes on computers, but people keep calling it "1080p" instead of simply "1080", which would be sufficient and less misleading. I suspect a lot of people think it just means "1080 pixels (tall)" (which would actually be a more useful term, nowadays).
I've worked in video post production for several decades and I really don't miss having to deal with interlaced video (or multiple SD formats, with different pixel aspect ratios).
@@RFC3514 admittedly I was a bit confused on how he explained the refresh but that's not what I understood. We're also talking about 240Hz so most kinds of deformations will be greatly minimized.
That oily d monitor has fantastic color reproductions.
Waiting for PHOLED to become common!
My gaming monitor is the 4th best monitor in the house. 1st is an older LG oled tv in the living room. 2nd and 3rd are my wife's laptop screens.
Not to be a 🤓 but I would say “4th best PANEL” just bc you can’t rlly game on a laptop screen unless the laptop is capable itself
A lot of the OLED panels on laptops truly look amazing but not having no input to the display makes it a different category imo
It's too expensive. Might as well pick up a C3 42inch.
how is this budget?
Which panel is it using? The website doesn't give any info about it's subpixel structure or panel type, and you didn't display any text at the desktop well enough for us to judge that way.
Seems yo be LG.
@@Level1TechsWOLED then? Which gen? We should be able to tell from the subpixel structure. Hopefully it's this latest gen.
So which panel is it? There aren't that many.
Curious why none of these seem to be available in Europe.
The dimming could be for heat
Personally I don't gert the burn-in problems. I use a LG C2 daily with my PC and after 3000-4000 hours I don't have any burn-in while using the OLED like a normal IPS Monitor.
so when can I buy this
So is running it at 240 always a problem?
Just waiting for a flat 34” ultrawide OLED
144hz too, at least
I am surprised at how I am bothered by the auto brightness levels in my new OLED. I actually was very irritated by blinding myself whenever I opened a non dark mode window with my older IPS.
Hard not to be a bit bias towards OLED displays because they simply are the best panels. Once you go true black, you never want to go back.
I want a oled monitor so bad but I just can’t justify $700 for one I’ve been using my viewsonic 1440p 144hz for about 2 years now and seeing oled makes me eager to switch.
These guys don't ship to europe do they?
I received mine today. the cables come from the bottom. there is no way to not have huge ugly hanging cables? maybe if you have super thin cables and tape. additionally the power box has a short enough cable to have to have the PSU ON the desk. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ simple over looks
The fact that you can get the msi mag 1440p 360hz qd oled for only $50 more makes this a hard sell. If this is $700 and that 1440p 360hz qd oled msi is $750 they are gonna have a tough time selling this I think.
It's available for 630 off their website after coupon code, I'm on the fence personally still
Im not buying an expensive monitor if i can't get at least 10 years out of it. 3 or 4 years is nowhere near good enough!
0:13 - I think the first thing you must understand about "oily-dee" is that most people call it "oh-led". 😜
Is call Oh! Led for the impresion it makes on people 😏
Oh lead
Not looking at the screen I heard Wendell saying that oily d is entering something and did a Kramer double take
Make it 4K at maybe 32" (would sacrifice refresh rate if needed). Currently looking for a great looking non-gamerey sub-$2k OLED 4k monitor from a company with a good track record.
Then buy one from Asus, Samsung or LG. Just to name a few.
@@zackzeed None of them meet the criteria I described
Can't we get higher DPI? Text rendering on oled sucks. Mobile phones solved it by making pixels small enough to not be visible.
I still hope for 5k (2880p) 27 inch oled..
M4 Imac maybe lol
I think you lost me in the refresh rate section, but otherwise this was a good review.
He was saying that using the USB-C Input you won't be able to do 1440p 240Hz as it doesn't have enough bandwidth. HDMI 2.0 is the same story. DisplayPort however can take full advantage, running the panel at it's native 2K@240Hz.
If this isn't what you were talking about, I hope it might help someone else.
Crt responsiveness modern "degaussing"/pixel refresh.
I was hoping for 4k, but it seems to be more gaming focused at 1440p.
Same!
3:42 watching a programmer talk about display specs :D
Wish VESA could standardise the DDC/OSD stuff so we could just not fiddle with fiddly buttons and instead just have a generic app on the PC set things up. (Although I'm reluctant to suggest JSON over i2c as the future...)
JSON possibly without HTTP would be nice, but usually the structure itself is kinda costly (I wrote a firmware for some input device, went with JSON over Serial first, but soon noticed since there are hundreds if not thousands of data chunks, JSON is too costly in several ways).
I'd appreciate a regular format-string over Serial or similar.
You can control a lot of stuff over Displayport/HDMI DDC Control
ahhhhh! it's curved!!! maybe for the price it might not be too bad, i guess i don't hate the 32" curveds at work.
Did someone making the video grow up with crazy Eddie commercials? If not, please look them up!
I knew youd snag this monitor lol
I don't know if I'd call OLEDs the "promised land" of monitors _yet._ Do the benefits of using OLED over LCD generally outweigh the drawbacks? Yes. But there are drawbacks, and it remains to be seen if OLED can overcome them.
That said, great review, Wendell! Keep up thw good work.
Only real drawback is chance burn-in but that's been greatly reduced in the last couple years.
@@RAZGR1Z - It's not a "chance", it's just a fact of life with (current) OLED panels. They age. Whether you notice it or not depends on how static the images you display are, but even if they're not, the panel still loses brightness over time.
Also, they use more power and produce more heat.
Emissive pixels are likely the future of all displays, but current OLED panels are far from perfect.
It's like they cloned the LG 27GR95QE, added a few features and packaged it up...
It's cool that it scans the panel out as fast as it can at any refresh rate is there any BFI?
If it burns in after a couple of years but is cheap enough, hooray, you can produce even *more* e-waste!
I'm sorry, but most don't care.
I survived a whole decade of plasma TVs. All of the ones I bought over that decade all still work and none of the burn in that I was told they would have.
@@godwhomismike - I'm guessing those weren't first-generation ones, and you weren't using them as computer monitors.
Used as TVs (where the whole image keeps changing), good plasma panels can indeed last for a long time with no noticeable burn-in.
There are several channels on UA-cam running burn-in tests with first-generation OLEDs and they all definitely suffer from it, especially if used as desktop monitors, with static elements like taskbars and title bars. As did plasma screens (especially the early ones).
Meanwhile, I still have some 13+ year old IPS LCDs with no image quality degradation, and I'm not planning to throw them into the trash any time soon.
@@RFC3514I guarantee those panels have degraded more than you know. Put up a 5 percent Grey scale slide and you'd probably even see burn in because lcds burn in as well. The colors and brightness are almost for sure degraded too. Lcds aren't immortal either and I've never had a monitor or TV last more than 6 years. I don't mistreat my devices and just use them like normal. I have a 1440p 144hz ips panel that I got permanent burn in on it in only four years. Oled burn in isn't the probably people think it is. I don't know how you feel robbed getting 5-10 years out of an oled tv or monitor vs 13 for your ips panel. Tech degrades from use and time. Honestly crts are holding up incredibly well and tons of people have had their oleds for 10 years without issue.
@@godwhomismikemy plasma did burn in
Things you can say about a monitor but not a city.
At least for me, OLED isn't the promised land and it never will be so long as it has ANY lingering problems with aging or burn-in. It's a problem that I am happy to have abandoned entirely for the 21st century. The real future is emissive inorganics, either quantum dots or micro-LEDs.
Lcds look so terrible though. Crts looked better and we only moved to lcds because they were bigger and cheaper.
@@veilmontTV - Except they *weren't* either of those things when they started taking over. What they were was _slimmer,_ and that allowed companies to fit more people into smaller offices. That was the main driver in the "rise" of LCDs.
Currently you can get LCDs that are better than the best CRTs in almost every way, though. But it took over 20 years for them to catch up.
i have had 7 ips monitors over 10 years and they all failed in some way . Some are still usable , some not so much. All have lost 50% brightness and the colors have shifted . Light bleed was worse on all. Uniformity is very bad on all. Yes, none have image retention but the other issues are just as bad, if not worse. in those 10 years the monitors have been used 12 hours/day at 60-90% brightness, usually at around 250-300 nits. All panels cost around 500 euros. The only reason why i don't use oled is because 200 nits is way too low for daylight use. Durability does not exist in this consumerism age.
@@sogetsu60 With a kill score like that, I really wonder if you have some kind of environmental factor that's killing your displays, like bad power? Do you feed your displays nice filtered electricity? Very high ambient heat or humidity? Vibrations? Sometimes you do get a lemon but 7 lemons in a row???
@@sogetsu60 - If they _all_ failed, you must be cursed. 😄I have several IPS monitors bought over the last 15 years and only one had any significant issues (the bonding between two layers of the glass - actually plastic - started to fail, but it was replaced free of charge by the manufacturer).
Then again, these were all pretty high end to begin with (I work in post-production), and generally kept at or below 50% brightness. I'm sure there are plenty of crap IPS monitors out there, same as any other panel type.
But yes, OLED burn-in is a real issue, and looks like it will continue to be a issue for the foreseeable future. Maybe MicroLED / Quantum Dot panels will take over.
Unfortunately its only HDR10...
OLED wearing out is why OLED is _not_ "the promised land" of display technology. it is the best we have today, but it is not acceptable long-term, just like plasma displays weren't.
Nice
Oily-D
oh el ee dee. HeeHee. I just say oh-lead
You can't call it burn in! LG will get upset and hunt you down. LOL
I think this might find its way to my setup eventually. If these go on clearance a few years from now that is...
Very good contender for the price, can just make it competitive for others so great.
1440p.. Hopefully one day we'll get past this stop-gap resolution that gets used nowhere other than gamers that could make the jump to 4K (who can blame them with Nvidia also putting are garbage GPU's with garbage VRAM/bandwidth anyway).
There's nothing inherently wrong with 2560x1440 (or any other resolution), it all depends on the physical _size_ of the monitor and how far you sit from it.
What really annoys me is how hard it is to find good 16:10 monitors these days.
I mean, the perfect ratio would probably be 14:10 (or √2:1, to be more precise, which is the aspect ratio of metric paper and has very nice geometric properties), but 16:10 allows you to play 16:9 movies and still have room for a title bar and a playback bar, without covering any of the video.
🤦1440P is a great resolution even for work. The issue with 4K you need at least minimum a 32inch panel to run at 100% scaling other wise you're running at 150% because it's unreadable for work otherwise. At which point....a 27inch 1440P at 100% scale makes more sense. I own both types of monitor🤷.
Man this monitor is $699
Nice, I want this in 4K! I have IPS 27" 4K for programming and the text is beautifully sharp. I don't want to go back to 1440. But I would like to have faster resresh rates and oled if possible..
Cute size monitor. Now give me a 40inch! :)
Might be a good monitor to put vertically next to my LG OLED 43” tv/monitor.
VA is a horrendous display tech and I'll never understand people defending it for anything other then data entry or warehouse lvl workloads where you are keeping track of merchandise. OLED tech has so much room to grow and maybe we will approach CRT clarity and plasma tv lvls of color depth. The black lvls are already super impressive and as soon as HDR takes off we will really be in business.
Most professional monitors used for colour grading in digital cinema are VA. It sounds like you've only seen very old or very cheap VA monitors.
I have no idea what you mean by "CRT clarity". I used the best CRTs in the world in the late 90s and early 2000s (I work in post-production), and if there's one department where even mid-range LCDs beat them pretty quickly, that was "clarity" (meaning lack of blurriness).
What LCDs were unable to match for a long time (I'd say until 10 or 15 years ago) was the _colour accuracy_ of CRTs.
The best VAs are better than any IPS.
All of them are nowhere near OLED though.
@@Sean-fj9pn - They're better at different things. High-end IPS are still the best "overall" monitors if you need to do a mix of things on a desktop system.
If / when OLED (greatly) improves its issues with burn-in (and power consumption), it might overtake them. Then again, maybe MicroLED / quantum dot will get there first.
apple's computers and phones are trash but their cameras and displays and speakers are really good
What's this oilyD?
It's like a regular D, but greasier.
oily d
it is way too expensive
"The black levels are insane." - So, like in the original Shaft films?
I'll get my coat.
Please stop spending my money!
oily D
DP 1.4 = nope
A little late to he whole OLED thing ey Wendel? =)
oily D ? o_o
It's way past time people realized that LCD is just no longer good enough and should be considered "legacy" tech no matter how many little LED backlights they put behind it or what deliberately misleading name they give it.
I am still anxious in regards to OLED due to burn in. I use my monitor (MSI Prestige 34" 5120*2160@60hz) mostly (95% of the time) for work - office, IDE, web browser, Photoshop, Teams. I often have the same windows in the same positions over a long period of time.
I could afford to buy 3 of these and use it instead of the one monitor I have, but it shouldn't burn in for at least 3 years. And I don't know if that's possible given I barely ever game.
I've read somewhere, that scientists found a way to control the blue filter or whatever in OLED, potentially making OLEDs very resistant to burn in and even have them consume less power.
Pair that up with 144hz and 4k+ resolution and e.g. 34+" and I am really interested.
What exactly makes it "not good enough"? They last much longer, they have a pixel geometry that plays better with cleartext antialiasing, etc.. And then there's power consumption. High-end IPS panels are far better as desktop monitors. OLED _might_ catch up, but it's still not there.
OLED's current place is in TVs and gaming monitors (basically as a replacement for plasma).
@@RFC3514 That nasty gray funk where black is supposed to be kills it for me. Perhaps I should rephrase that: LCD is no longer good enough unless all you're doing is text.
@@StubbyPhillips - Most people working in film and video post-production use VA (and high-end IPS) panels. Same for graphic design and most areas of digital content creation.
The advantage of OLED only becomes noticeable in completely darkened rooms, and that's not how most people work.
@@RFC3514That's funny... I'm not in a darkened room and I notice that ugly gray crap ALL THE TIME on every LCD screen that I haven't gotten rid of yet.
If you feel like forking over $25,000 to get me a *_DUAL LAYER LCD_* Sony Trimaster or something similar, I'd be OK with that.
Theres nothing "mainstream" about 700 dollar 27" monitor. For this money i can get a 50-55" BRAND NAME 120hz smart TV. Dont get me wrong, but the prices need to come down to about 400 for most to consider this anything near "mainstream".
your voice sounds weird. Sort of like a cranky grandpa, some high pitch and low quality overall. Did anything happen to your microphone? Seems simply disbalanced.
Man, I can't take this seriously.. How do you mispronounce OLED hahaha.
How are you supposed to enter the mainstream without lube?
Hmm, at $700, is it really in the same league as LG and Samsung OLED monitors?
Hmm, looking forward to price dropping to the $400 range, my LG (IPS) has 31000 hours (3.53 years) of powered on time, has quite a bit of burn in
it cost way too much