Mac Delaney Yeah, it's exactly 35s on the 777 for example. But we heard the pilot saying they got a master caution that disappeared immediately. So that was weird! As he said "not our problem though" 😂
Might have had a sticky push to talk button. Also, If it was a PW 752 the volume slider on the audio control panel could have inadvertently pushed to a low volume, they move easy.
Imagine paying attention to your own landing procedures and then hearing someone else's gpws go T W E N T Y F I V E H U N D R E D Lmao that'd freak me out for just a sec
There is a lot he could have done. He was advised multiple times yet did nothing (seemingly) to fix it. Change frequency one at a time and isolate that mic.
I worked as an A&P for decades. I was on an air medical job. The spare helicopter had a different avionics setup. The PTT switch and VOX didn’t operate the same way. One of the medical people in back kept transmitting instead of internal communications. We tried calling the aircraft to have the pilot correct things. No luck. We listened to her telling about her last date in detail. This lasted 45 minutes. She never lived that one down. 🤭
This has happened to me. Truth is in the airliner we cannot turn the radio off. Here’s what I did and what I advise. You can see the xmit indication. You know it’s stuck. He even said it’s doing it again. Get off the frequency. Tune the offending radio to 123.45. Then resolve it. You’ll figure out which switch is stuck and either unstick it or have the affected side stay on 123.45 and use the other radio from the other side.
You are lucky that you can still tune the radio while it is transmitting - don't know if that is mandatory in aviation but outside that I would guess about half the radios on the market lock the tuning when you are transmitting (so you cannot wipe over all channels with the transmitter on)
VASAviation - mine was circuitry. You still see the TX light. Detuning still works. Found it on the FO side. Detuned. Switch ca side to com2. Left fo on com1 - tuned to 123.45. Apologized. Called Maintenance.
I fly around SFO every day doing bay tours and I have to hand it to SFO tower, theyre insanely professional and courteous. There's actually one sassy dude but I love him too. They're unbelievably busy but keep calm all the time and are very helpful, even to small GA airplanes in the area.
Maybe manufacturers could add a little light that shows up every time the mic is hot. That way the pilots know when they are transmitting, even if they think they're not.
Indeed every cockpit I know of will advise you some way. But then again, between 2500 and the ground there's a lot of stuff that happens in the cockpit and more importantly outside of it and the XMIT indication typically won't jump at you, so in many cockpits it can rather easily go missed in such a critical phase of flight. Think about it, this guy has pressed and released that button dozens, maybe hundreds of times during that flight alone and it always worked fine. It would be outside of human nature to check the XMIT indicator every single time you unkey the mike.
Judging from the sounds, this was an Airbus. The 'Bus has some dedicated protection for these kind of issues, for example: - After 30 seconds of continuous transmission, the crew should hear 5 beeps, after that the transmission is automatically cut (VHF only). - If a PTT switch is (jammed) in the transmit position for more than 60 seconds, an ECAM warning "COM VHF 1/2/3 HF 1/2 EMITTING" is triggered (this is in fact independent of the PTT switch but depends on whether an antenna receives send commands for a longer period of time). - Newer software versions also have a dedicated "SINGLE PTT SWITCH STUCK" ECAM alert, which triggers earlier. - The flight crew can cancel a transmission anytime, even if the PTT is stuck, by deselecting the associated transmission key on the ACP. If that doesn't remove the caution, the FCOM advises to pull the circuit breaker for the antenna device. Due to this protection, I'm surprised that the flight crew wasn't able to solve this early on. Maybe the switch wasn't continously jammed, but only intermittendly? Or something else broke?
@@Yankee7000 That's not possible. The 2500 callout and the AP disc sound were clearly from Airbus. Unless I'm having a hardcore memory lapse, the 757 has the classic Boeing sounds.
GIVMI_more_W UAL 213 is a EWR SFO flight with the 57 shown as equipment in recent as well as future flights. It is absolutely possible that this one used a Bus....🤷♂️
This went from amusing to scary pretty quickly. I see where other people are saying there isn't a lot the pilots can do about it, other than to switch frequencies to troubleshoot. But I want to say, good on the ATC for cooling the chatter and firing off instructions rapidly. If that situation went on much longer, it could have gotten very serious very quick.
@@halilctl This is the best ua-cam.com/video/ilQHP8PgHWs/v-deo.html Another not quite so bad but still.... ua-cam.com/video/ZzHfxIRNaeA/v-deo.html And an ATC who didn't realize his mike was open: ua-cam.com/video/DQlJYE-oxJc/v-deo.html That said, we are all human and stuff happens. Sorry about the spaces. I am not putting them in and can't seem to delete them.
I know about old understood technology, slow change and cost of recertification of new systems but damn 2020 and a stuck mic can wreak havoc on an entire airport and then some. It's incredible how technology can progress so much in certain areas and be so primitive and fragile in others
@@alexkoble9303 well yes, but until public pressure arise from a serious incident due to stuck mics, nothing would change - there would be no incentive for them to do so. It's just how capitalism works :)
MrFlytoskyyy2 I don’t know if it’s capitalism I think it’s just the fact of what do u replace it with? It’s got downfalls but also Works well most of the time.
Every airbus pilot when they hear UAL213’s Autopilot alarms and chirp: *Hold up... Wait a minute* Edit: Everyone is asking why in the comments and here’s my main reason for writing this Any other airbus pilot who’d be on frequency would notice the autopilot disengage alarm and it could make them think that the autopilot turned off.
I'm just a dude that watches these videos and I have no aviation background. I would think there would be a satellite texting system for commercial aircraft for situations like this giving the airline and the controllers the ability to contact the pilots when radios fail. Maybe there is a system already but it's reserved for slower communications?
Indeed, there is such system in place but your second thought is also correct, it is used for short messages. If you want to know more, search up "ACARS".
JGNMinecraft : Thanks!! 👍 I just read the Wikipedia page. Is that how the pilots receive their gate assignments after landing? I often hear the ground controller asking the pilot where they're parking and sometimes they don't know when first asked. Since ACARS knows when the plane landed and has info on connecting flights, I imagine that the airline (probably automatically) sends the pilots the gate assignment after landing. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction to learn something new.
There is such a system and it is used more and more. However, when during the last phase of landing (like here) the tower would send a text message "your transmitter is stuck" it would be unlikely that the crew would notice and read the message before the damage was done. This system is, however, now used to pass messages like new altitudes and headings en-route.
It’s ACARS (Aircraft Crew and Reporting System) when it’s used between company and the individual. For ATC, they use the same datalink system under a different logon called CPDLC (controller pilot datalink communication)
If they know it’s sticking, they should switch the radio to com two every time you transmit on one, to get off of com one. It’s hard to explain. A lot of big airplane radios don’t have a light or tx that indicates you’re transmitting.
This is true. Ground-based radio navigation aids are also pretty obsolete at this point but still the backbone of airbourne navigation. Changing these things just takes forever in this industry, because you can't really have one engineer go "Oh well this will be much better, we'll use that from now".
@@Mach2AB A digital system that uses TDMA or CDMA to have multiple transmitters talking on the same frequency without interfering with eachother. Basically, what GSM and its successors do.
I know it's a small item, but it would not be difficult to install an very tiny light that lights up when the PTT button is depressed. They cold have one for the pilot and a separate one for the co-pilot. Just a thought...
I've always wondered why we don't upgrade to full duplex comms for air communications. Seems like simplex comms can easily be overloaded by issues like this or even maliciously attacked.
I don't know how you would solve who gets which band, since tower and other planes need to be able to recieve the transmission, but everyone also needs to be able to send it. If i.e. tower transmitts on A, and recieves on B, then the first plane would need to transmit on B and recieve on A, but with a second plane, either the tower or the first plane would not recieve the transmission since the 2nd would either transmitt on A or B and only tower recieves on B while plane 1 only recieves on A. Cellphones work differently since they only communicate with th cell tower but not with other cellphones.
I seem to remember back in the citizen band (CB) radio days, all my units had a transmit indicator lamp. Is this a feature not used in commercial aircraft radios? Seems it would be useful.
As a ham radio operator most of our transceivers have a tx indication (red light). And modern radios have a built in transmit time out you can setup in seconds. For atc a timout of 30 sec would be enough. So when a mic gets stuck, after 30 sec the transceiver will stop transmitting by itself. And a better indication so pilots can see that their radio is transmitting, could help.
Likely the air traffic near United 213 was unable to hear tower because of their vicinity to the antenna constantly transmitting, while the traffic closer to the tower and on the ground could hear the tower because the radio waves were not being disrupted
Never heard of that in my life, when TX AM mode, you will always hear heterodyne interference when two or more signals on the same channel, UNLESS its FM. Where did you here this from?
Good grief.....back in the 60’s send and return signals (simultaneous) on different freqs was available. And that was before computers. Today it Would eliminate this issue.
"Not our problem though." Boy, wouldnt it be embarrassing if it actually was our problem. "you have hot mic." "Doing it again?" (not our problem though..)
There should be some kind of code that aircraft on frequency would be able to transmit by pushing the PTT button on and off, notifying the aircraft hot-micing... morse code maybe?
@@Die4dutch2 "TOT (Time Out Timer) is a timer that shuts off the radio's transmission. Since most transmissions average 3-4 seconds in duration, a longer single transmission usually indicates an inadvertent mistake, or there's a lengthy conversation going on that needs to be curtailed. This reduces the chances of busy channels, unnecessary chatter, and dead batteries."
@@Rojk I could not have said it better. Most radios will give a distinct tone or beeps to let you know it has timed out. Most radios on other services have this set. I guess airband radios do not have this option, or it is not activated.
@@VFRExplorer No, only if you're not already talking to anyone or can't raise the one you were talking to. If receiving a service, raise the mayday on that frequency.
There should be something displayed where all the other mode and warning indicators are to indicate any time they are transmitting. If there isn't already. I'd think this should be standard equipment in 2024. And in 2020.
Hi VASAviation! Anything on the Air Canada's emergency landing in San Fransisco? People leaping off the wing and door after landing? Think this happened today.
Yeah you get to listen to the stuff you (as in the other pilots) do every day for a living. Must be riveting to listen to GPWS callouts from another aircraft.
Seems like tower controller should have held everything in place until the issue was absolutely cleared. Working in the blind means guesswork. Guesswork means the potential for disaster. This is what will continue to happen as our "modern" ATC system uses 5 watt AM radios - technology from the 1940's.
It has to be AM, FM would be a disaster. With AM, you can have multiple ppl talking at once and all the voices gets through to the controller, with FM, its a one person only conversation. 5 watts is all you need in the air. Adding more power would disturb other airports further away.
This seems like such a bad single point of failure. One pilot's mic getting stuck blocks *everyone* from hearing anything? Surely there's a solution to this that doesn't involve all the *other* aircraft switching frequencies. There should be software that detects when the mic is ON for more than ~10 seconds without any significant audible input, and it should auto-switch *itself* to some backup/emergency/stuck-mic freq or something. Or at minimum, start beeping in-cabin so at least the pilot can manually deal with it.
The controllers should have a couple alternate frequencies/if your mic gets stuck you move to them - ideally you still listen on the main freq. but you tx on the alternate (just so it doesn't ... do stuff like this - if it happened to overlay some other actual emergency this could be bad)
Yikes! That could be slightly problematic (said sarcastically!) Don’t they have airfones or some such for times like this, that ATC can just ring ‘em up?
gomphrena -beautiful flower- Sat phones are a thing, but are costly and would absolutely not be used in this phase of flight. This is known to be a critical phase of flight.
5 is back from the days when you'd have an analogue signal meter on your radio for receive signal strength. 5 out of 5 is receiving the strongest signal, reading you loud and clear. A lesser number is weaker.
Before TCAS, stuck mike = ATC was not able to do their job. When I knew who had the stuck mike. I would tell them after it had cleared up, "ATC will resume separation of traffic for you now"
Honestly when this happens to me I just announce that I'm going to kill the radio and turn off on a taxiway. More important to focus on the landing and not have interference with other traffic
FrostyVideo Basically they just have to follow what is indicated on their flight plan. They set transponder 7600 to let ATC know they have radio failure and that's it. There are also specific procedures indicated on the charts for each airport depending on the position of the aircraft (landing, departure, go around, ...) That's what they do when they have communication failure. Now, what could we do when the ATC has a communication problem? That's a good question and a really dangerous situation!
Because you don't just go off frequency in aviation. As someone jokingly said to me: "Under IFR flight rules, you don't even fart without ATC clearance."
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Get-that-radio-fixed!!!
Sounds like a personal problem.
Maybe he sat on it.
You'd think you'd get a MASTER CAUTION for TX longer than, say, 20s. Hard to believe this hasn't been addressed yet considering the impact it has.
Mac Delaney Yeah, it's exactly 35s on the 777 for example. But we heard the pilot saying they got a master caution that disappeared immediately. So that was weird! As he said "not our problem though" 😂
Might have had a sticky push to talk button. Also, If it was a PW 752 the volume slider on the audio control panel could have inadvertently pushed to a low volume, they move easy.
Imagine paying attention to your own landing procedures and then hearing someone else's gpws go T W E N T Y F I V E H U N D R E D
Lmao that'd freak me out for just a sec
Fazers LMFAOOOOO
There is a lot he could have done. He was advised multiple times yet did nothing (seemingly) to fix it. Change frequency one at a time and isolate that mic.
@@thataviationguy4913 That's true, he was just about to land. I think the first time they were alerted was before they were given clearance to land?
lmao I'd be more afraid to hear "50, 40, 30, 20, 10"
*AAAAAAAA*
Tower: "Alright, Everybody stop talking!"
Everyone Else: :(
SeaHusker • Did anyone besides me think of my fifth grade classroom?😂😂
😂
Me, a retard: cessna4530 echo turning base
United 213: "Thing is doing all sorts of weird things. Not our problem though, haha"
Narrator: But it was their problem.
"Because on the ground, there was a school filled with children 2500 feet below."
Sorry, been watching a lot of MAYDAY: Air disaster.
American 152, props for playing it safe by going around despite having been cleared to land!
Ted Striker: "It's a good thing he doesn't realize how much I hate his guts."
Andrew Ovenden HA! I was waiting for this 😂
I want you both to know, good luck, we're all counting on you.
@@bardo0007 "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"
And stop calling me Shirley!
I worked as an A&P for decades. I was on an air medical job. The spare helicopter had a different avionics setup. The PTT switch and VOX didn’t operate the same way.
One of the medical people in back kept transmitting instead of internal communications. We tried calling the aircraft to have the pilot correct things. No luck. We listened to her telling about her last date in detail. This lasted 45 minutes. She never lived that one down. 🤭
oh wow!
Still a better love story than twilight
I feel bad for the pilot, at first I thought it was his fault, but his radio messed up on him, not much can be done in those situations.
Yes he can... .see imaPangolin... .you just don't ignore it!
@@pesto12601 and check VASAvation's reply to it.
Well it's not our problem (LOL)
magnus sloht I laughed when I heard that 😂
I think they were commenting on a TCAS blip, not the radio.
Gigs Was it not about strange master caution messages?
@@noah9130 could have been, I'm just assuming tcas.
Looks like it was their problem.
This has happened to me. Truth is in the airliner we cannot turn the radio off. Here’s what I did and what I advise. You can see the xmit indication. You know it’s stuck. He even said it’s doing it again. Get off the frequency. Tune the offending radio to 123.45. Then resolve it. You’ll figure out which switch is stuck and either unstick it or have the affected side stay on 123.45 and use the other radio from the other side.
You are lucky that you can still tune the radio while it is transmitting - don't know if that is mandatory in aviation but outside that I would guess about half the radios on the market lock the tuning when you are transmitting (so you cannot wipe over all channels with the transmitter on)
Sometimes it's not phisically stuck but it's the electrical circuit inside the panel giving troubles and you can't really do anything.
@@VASAviation You can still detune, unless the fault affects both radios, which is exceedingly unlikely.
VASAviation - mine was circuitry. You still see the TX light. Detuning still works. Found it on the FO side. Detuned. Switch ca side to com2. Left fo on com1 - tuned to 123.45. Apologized. Called Maintenance.
Man, it has been 39 years since I flown, 123.45 brings back memories- tell someone you knew quickly "go to the count"
Just occurred to me how dangerous a blocked mic on freq can be
Extreme professional handling of an extremely dangerous condition.
@bilodef66 I've experienced worse. All in a (bad) days work. ✈
My wife has this condition.
EldestSauce 😂😂😂😂
@bilodef66 anything out of the normal requires extreme caution.
@@EldestSauce cringe
I fly around SFO every day doing bay tours and I have to hand it to SFO tower, theyre insanely professional and courteous. There's actually one sassy dude but I love him too. They're unbelievably busy but keep calm all the time and are very helpful, even to small GA airplanes in the area.
Maybe manufacturers could add a little light that shows up every time the mic is hot. That way the pilots know when they are transmitting, even if they think they're not.
Mike Fuquay they do in the middle screen on the Boeing a small message says “transmit” if the mic is held
longer than a couple seconds
There are lights or indications showing whether it’s transmitting or not.
Indeed every cockpit I know of will advise you some way. But then again, between 2500 and the ground there's a lot of stuff that happens in the cockpit and more importantly outside of it and the XMIT indication typically won't jump at you, so in many cockpits it can rather easily go missed in such a critical phase of flight. Think about it, this guy has pressed and released that button dozens, maybe hundreds of times during that flight alone and it always worked fine. It would be outside of human nature to check the XMIT indicator every single time you unkey the mike.
@@jonashelmke2564 very good points. I was unaware of that. Thanks for the info.
This was an Airbus...
Judging from the sounds, this was an Airbus. The 'Bus has some dedicated protection for these kind of issues, for example:
- After 30 seconds of continuous transmission, the crew should hear 5 beeps, after that the transmission is automatically cut (VHF only).
- If a PTT switch is (jammed) in the transmit position for more than 60 seconds, an ECAM warning "COM VHF 1/2/3 HF 1/2 EMITTING" is triggered (this is in fact independent of the PTT switch but depends on whether an antenna receives send commands for a longer period of time).
- Newer software versions also have a dedicated "SINGLE PTT SWITCH STUCK" ECAM alert, which triggers earlier.
- The flight crew can cancel a transmission anytime, even if the PTT is stuck, by deselecting the associated transmission key on the ACP. If that doesn't remove the caution, the FCOM advises to pull the circuit breaker for the antenna device.
Due to this protection, I'm surprised that the flight crew wasn't able to solve this early on. Maybe the switch wasn't continously jammed, but only intermittendly? Or something else broke?
Nummer378 Flight Details show it to be a 57. 🤷♂️
@@Yankee7000 That's not possible. The 2500 callout and the AP disc sound were clearly from Airbus. Unless I'm having a hardcore memory lapse, the 757 has the classic Boeing sounds.
GIVMI_more_W UAL 213 is a EWR SFO flight with the 57 shown as equipment in recent as well as future flights. It is absolutely possible that this one used a Bus....🤷♂️
They were pretty close to landing I would troubleshoot on the ground.
Sounds (sorry:-)) like that's why the first stuck mike was 30 seconds
This went from amusing to scary pretty quickly. I see where other people are saying there isn't a lot the pilots can do about it, other than to switch frequencies to troubleshoot. But I want to say, good on the ATC for cooling the chatter and firing off instructions rapidly. If that situation went on much longer, it could have gotten very serious very quick.
Yep, doing it again.
*Me 10 miles out for landing*
Someone’s GPWS callout- “50”
Me- scared
Good thing nobody said anything inappropriate as has happened in the past on an open mike 😉
Cissy2cute which one is that? Can you link it kind sir?
@@halilctl Search for the Southwest stuck mic incident....
@@halilctl This is the best
ua-cam.com/video/ilQHP8PgHWs/v-deo.html
Another not quite so bad but still....
ua-cam.com/video/ZzHfxIRNaeA/v-deo.html
And an ATC who didn't realize his mike was open:
ua-cam.com/video/DQlJYE-oxJc/v-deo.html
That said, we are all human and stuff happens. Sorry about the spaces. I am not putting them in and can't seem to delete them.
@Javier Lopez I put some links up for another poster. Sometimes easy to forget about that switch....🤫 🥺 🤭
I didn’t realize my mic button was depressed and once told a guy to “eat shit and bark at the moon “
I had this happen on my 172 before when I was on the ground, I figured out quick enough when I saw 2 ops cars driving quickly towards me! :O
Definitly an Airbus, by the AP disconnect sound.
And the radio altimeter calling out 2500
1:06 “Not our problem though.”..💀💀
TCAS not the mic
lol funny cuz... it is!
I know about old understood technology, slow change and cost of recertification of new systems but damn 2020 and a stuck mic can wreak havoc on an entire airport and then some. It's incredible how technology can progress so much in certain areas and be so primitive and fragile in others
Agreed
I guess many still follow the principle of 'if it works, don't try to fix it'
MrFlytoskyyy2 a lot, but I think it is broken. As stated a stuck mic can wreck stuff at any airport at any time.
@@alexkoble9303 well yes, but until public pressure arise from a serious incident due to stuck mics, nothing would change - there would be no incentive for them to do so. It's just how capitalism works :)
MrFlytoskyyy2 I don’t know if it’s capitalism I think it’s just the fact of what do u replace it with? It’s got downfalls but also Works well most of the time.
Every airbus pilot when they hear UAL213’s Autopilot alarms and chirp: *Hold up... Wait a minute*
Edit:
Everyone is asking why in the comments and here’s my main reason for writing this
Any other airbus pilot who’d be on frequency would notice the autopilot disengage alarm and it could make them think that the autopilot turned off.
Why?
Why
Why?
Why?
Why?
All traffic change frequency...except United 213. You stay here so you don't disrupt traffic
At least they were going over their checklists!
Haha SOP.
Coming in to SFO, told he had a stuck mic, so used the same mic switch again. Brilliant! Hey you know the other guy had a mic switch too, right?
I feel bad for the crew of UAL213. They are the culprit, they don't want to be, it's not their fault and they're all but helpless to change it.
These guys are good
I'm just a dude that watches these videos and I have no aviation background. I would think there would be a satellite texting system for commercial aircraft for situations like this giving the airline and the controllers the ability to contact the pilots when radios fail. Maybe there is a system already but it's reserved for slower communications?
Indeed, there is such system in place but your second thought is also correct, it is used for short messages. If you want to know more, search up "ACARS".
JGNMinecraft : Thanks!! 👍
I just read the Wikipedia page. Is that how the pilots receive their gate assignments after landing? I often hear the ground controller asking the pilot where they're parking and sometimes they don't know when first asked. Since ACARS knows when the plane landed and has info on connecting flights, I imagine that the airline (probably automatically) sends the pilots the gate assignment after landing.
Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction to learn something new.
There is such a system and it is used more and more. However, when during the last phase of landing (like here) the tower would send a text message "your transmitter is stuck" it would be unlikely that the crew would notice and read the message before the damage was done.
This system is, however, now used to pass messages like new altitudes and headings en-route.
Thanks for that info All_Roads!
It’s ACARS (Aircraft Crew and Reporting System) when it’s used between company and the individual. For ATC, they use the same datalink system under a different logon called CPDLC (controller pilot datalink communication)
Time to bust out that light gun! Ha
If they know it’s sticking, they should switch the radio to com two every time you transmit on one, to get off of com one. It’s hard to explain. A lot of big airplane radios don’t have a light or tx that indicates you’re transmitting.
Extremely outdated communication technology unfortunately still rules aviation - almost everyone else has phased it out by now.
Rob what could they use instead?
@@Mach2AB At least TETRA for terminal areas or some sort of two way analog radio..
This is true. Ground-based radio navigation aids are also pretty obsolete at this point but still the backbone of airbourne navigation. Changing these things just takes forever in this industry, because you can't really have one engineer go "Oh well this will be much better, we'll use that from now".
@@jonashelmke2564 Though I'd still keep a minimum configuration of them because it is easy to interfere with GPS.
@@Mach2AB A digital system that uses TDMA or CDMA to have multiple transmitters talking on the same frequency without interfering with eachother.
Basically, what GSM and its successors do.
Brings new meaning to the phrase The Sound of Silence
I might be biased because I'm British but as soon as a Speedbird shows up it's like everything immediately becomes a little calmer :P
Bobble Bardsley splendid communication innit?
2:43 that beatbox was LIT
I know it's a small item, but it would not be difficult to install an very tiny light that lights up when the PTT button is depressed. They cold have one for the pilot and a separate one for the co-pilot. Just a thought...
I've always wondered why we don't upgrade to full duplex comms for air communications.
Seems like simplex comms can easily be overloaded by issues like this or even maliciously attacked.
I don't know how you would solve who gets which band, since tower and other planes need to be able to recieve the transmission, but everyone also needs to be able to send it. If i.e. tower transmitts on A, and recieves on B, then the first plane would need to transmit on B and recieve on A, but with a second plane, either the tower or the first plane would not recieve the transmission since the 2nd would either transmitt on A or B and only tower recieves on B while plane 1 only recieves on A. Cellphones work differently since they only communicate with th cell tower but not with other cellphones.
I seem to remember back in the citizen band (CB) radio days, all my units had a transmit indicator lamp. Is this a feature not used in commercial aircraft radios? Seems it would be useful.
At least a stuck mic is better than stuck rudder.
Indeed
As a ham radio operator most of our transceivers have a tx indication (red light). And modern radios have a built in transmit time out you can setup in seconds. For atc a timout of 30 sec would be enough. So when a mic gets stuck, after 30 sec the transceiver will stop transmitting by itself. And a better indication so pilots can see that their radio is transmitting, could help.
Any idea why some traffic was able to hear Tower just fine and others not at all?
Likely the air traffic near United 213 was unable to hear tower because of their vicinity to the antenna constantly transmitting, while the traffic closer to the tower and on the ground could hear the tower because the radio waves were not being disrupted
Watching this full screen on my phone, I honestly thought that I'd cracked my screen somehow 🤪
I assume there are safeguards in place for aircrafts on approach who lose contact with the tower... do they go around at some point?
Ooops... that looks to me like some kind of technical malfunction 😕
Those callouts were on point, though!
2:45 the seven nation bass line made me laugh
McCroskey: Johnny what do you make out of this?
Johnny: This? Well I can make a hat, or a brooch, or a pteradactyl
Captain was like Let's have them thinking lol
First officer was like oh hell yeah let's do it
Thought all aircraft had heterodyne preventers after the Tenerife accident?
Never heard of that in my life, when TX AM mode, you will always hear heterodyne interference when two or more signals on the same channel, UNLESS its FM. Where did you here this from?
Good grief.....back in the 60’s send and return signals (simultaneous) on different freqs was available. And that was before computers. Today it Would eliminate this issue.
Might be a loophole
"Not our problem though." Boy, wouldnt it be embarrassing if it actually was our problem. "you have hot mic." "Doing it again?" (not our problem though..)
Stuck mic seems to be a pretty common issue.
There should be some kind of code that aircraft on frequency would be able to transmit by pushing the PTT button on and off, notifying the aircraft hot-micing... morse code maybe?
Why doesn't the radio have a TOT like every other service radio ?
What’s TOT
@@Die4dutch2 "TOT (Time Out Timer) is a timer that shuts off the radio's transmission. Since most transmissions average 3-4 seconds in duration, a longer single transmission usually indicates an inadvertent mistake, or there's a lengthy conversation going on that needs to be curtailed. This reduces the chances of busy channels, unnecessary chatter, and dead batteries."
@@Rojk I could not have said it better. Most radios will give a distinct tone or beeps to let you know it has timed out. Most radios on other services have this set. I guess airband radios do not have this option, or it is not activated.
@Adithya R In an emergency they should be using a dedicated 121.5 frequency
@@VFRExplorer No, only if you're not already talking to anyone or can't raise the one you were talking to. If receiving a service, raise the mayday on that frequency.
There should be something displayed where all the other mode and warning indicators are to indicate any time they are transmitting. If there isn't already. I'd think this should be standard equipment in 2024. And in 2020.
Hi VASAviation!
Anything on the Air Canada's emergency landing in San Fransisco? People leaping off the wing and door after landing?
Think this happened today.
Stuck mics are kind of cool cause you get to listen in on what's going on in the cockpit, but has to be an annoyance for others on the frequency
Yeah you get to listen to the stuff you (as in the other pilots) do every day for a living. Must be riveting to listen to GPWS callouts from another aircraft.
Seems like tower controller should have held everything in place until the issue was absolutely cleared. Working in the blind means guesswork. Guesswork means the potential for disaster.
This is what will continue to happen as our "modern" ATC system uses 5 watt AM radios - technology from the 1940's.
It has to be AM, FM would be a disaster. With AM, you can have multiple ppl talking at once and all the voices gets through to the controller, with FM, its a one person only conversation. 5 watts is all you need in the air. Adding more power would disturb other airports further away.
This is ridiculous. We need a new way to communicate. This makes no sense. Stuck mics and ppl talking just doesnt make sense anymore.
That's why we still use good ole AM boys and girls, you can still communicate, if it was FM, you would be out of luck.
How has no one figured out how to fix this yet
All those bleeps and bloops 😂😂😂😂
my tank platoon was in the same situation in a drill
the result was i cut off the intercom of my M60A3
it was a nightmare
When did this happen? Don't think I saw the usual date on the intro.
This seems like such a bad single point of failure. One pilot's mic getting stuck blocks *everyone* from hearing anything? Surely there's a solution to this that doesn't involve all the *other* aircraft switching frequencies. There should be software that detects when the mic is ON for more than ~10 seconds without any significant audible input, and it should auto-switch *itself* to some backup/emergency/stuck-mic freq or something. Or at minimum, start beeping in-cabin so at least the pilot can manually deal with it.
A protocol for this situation is in place I presume... a standby frequency ? 🤔
This isn’t the first time this has happened 7 months ago same problem, this could’ve gone horribly wrong, *Thank god for ATC!*
And this, folks, is why 'anticipated separation' is an accident waiting to happen.
Poor guys, they’re just flying the metal that they’re given. Not their fault, and they still have duties to perform. All around crappy situation.
That must have been annoying. And troublesome! The aircraft should have some sort of alarm showing the mic is on for too long
The controllers should have a couple alternate frequencies/if your mic gets stuck you move to them - ideally you still listen on the main freq. but you tx on the alternate (just so it doesn't ... do stuff like this - if it happened to overlay some other actual emergency this could be bad)
not possible to move airplanes to another freq during a stuck mic scenario
Can someone please explain why somethings are blocked on these ATC videos? Is it from different people stepping on each other.
when you get two radios transmitting they interfere causing anything from screeching to dead silence, some of the gaps are probably from that
That’s deff an Airbus
Yikes! That could be slightly problematic (said sarcastically!)
Don’t they have airfones or some such for times like this, that ATC can just ring ‘em up?
gomphrena -beautiful flower- Sat phones are a thing, but are costly and would absolutely not be used in this phase of flight. This is known to be a critical phase of flight.
Wasn't the previous video about a malfunctioning radio also United?
Jari Sundell AAL at JFK if I’m not mistaken. That guy squawked 7600 and switched to Guard (121.5)
0:58 That only happens if the stewardess is sitting on your lap.
Can you post DL 1617 from Wednesday night? DFW-SLC? Had a fire in the cabin.
KUDOS... "I copy that" 👍😎
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Why did American 152 go around? Didn't get his landing clearance due to the transmission eh?
UAL213. Tighten Up. Geez.
don't they carry a ball peen hammer in the cockpit just for those radio problems?
phapnui 🤣😆🤣
Thank God they didn't share info about the party in the hotel with a few hosties
That's got to be a A320.😆
Imagine Otto Pilot with a stuck mic.
can anyone explain what does the "5" mean at 1:47
Readability, i.e. how well the radio is transmitting from 1 (bad) to 5 (perfect)
I assume he meant "5 by 5" as in "radio transmission clear." It may have been cut off slightly.
Thanks guys
He said ‘fine’
5 is back from the days when you'd have an analogue signal meter on your radio for receive signal strength. 5 out of 5 is receiving the strongest signal, reading you loud and clear. A lesser number is weaker.
0:55 Aliens confirmed. 😂
-it-is-not-the-radio!!
Highly informative at least.
Patience? Homie in the tower was exasperated.
Before TCAS, stuck mike = ATC was not able to do their job. When I knew who had the stuck mike. I would tell them after it had cleared up, "ATC will resume separation of traffic for you now"
Well trained controller.
And there is no TX light on the dash?
Chris Norris nope
Is this grounds for squawking 7600?
When did this happen?
Honestly when this happens to me I just announce that I'm going to kill the radio and turn off on a taxiway. More important to focus on the landing and not have interference with other traffic
Nice
I don't know why they are still using such archaic technology for communication in aviation.
what pilots doing in this kind situation, do they just keep flying straight at their current altitude?
Continue with your last instruction
FrostyVideo Basically they just have to follow what is indicated on their flight plan. They set transponder 7600 to let ATC know they have radio failure and that's it. There are also specific procedures indicated on the charts for each airport depending on the position of the aircraft (landing, departure, go around, ...) That's what they do when they have communication failure. Now, what could we do when the ATC has a communication problem? That's a good question and a really dangerous situation!
VASAviation - They of course also continue with their last instruction
@@noah9130 When all else fails in the tower, they switch to handhelds.
lies damnlies Didn't know that 👍
A good pilot is always learning 😊
Clearly he knew his mic was stuck the second time. Why didn't he just get off that frequency?
Because you don't just go off frequency in aviation. As someone jokingly said to me: "Under IFR flight rules, you don't even fart without ATC clearance."
Maybe check the PCB and see if there's any gunk in the crevices.