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If your guys think the movies were perfect please give the books a read .. it’s soo much more better and they fill in the blanks that’s your emotionally missing
@@Quality.QI agree, I’m currently rereading them and I love the amount of detail I missed and forgotten about a decade ago while watching the movies so many times. Wow, a decade.
Well in the books, it is explained that people from district 12 started to slowly come back and rebuild. Another thing, the movies did make it seem like it was more of a love story between gale and katniss, but it really wasn't like that for katniss, she always more so looked as him a like a brother, but knew he had other feeling for her and felt bad about it.
To help with the Gale confusion... You forgot the discussion between Gale & Beatty about the delayed explosive bomb, the first bomb which draws people in.. so the Capitol's children and Prim were killed by Gale's 'invention'. Coin purposely sent Prim in knowing she would die and Gale's thirst for revenge was too much for Katniss. As for the Nightlock pill, remember Johanna saying "anybody can kill a President, you've just got to be willing to sacrifice yourself". Katniss was going to take the pill afterwards but Peeta took it from her, saving her yet again.
Exactly- Katniss couldn't ever fully forgive Gale because the brutality he supported and aided with in the war -- which was always too far for her -- led to the death of those children and Prim. It is implied that even if he had known the full plan, he may have still gone along with it in order to stop the war -- and that fundamental difference between them is what she had to accept that day and let him go.
I love when Haymitch said “I’m with the Mockingjay”. He never voted yes to Coin’s proposal. He took a long look at Katniss and trusted her. I love his story arc!
Gale designed the trap that killed Prim. Katniss warned him the double bombing trap for medics and civilians was WRONG, and he didn't listen, and it directly resulted in Prim's death. Gale didn't target Prim specifically, but his arrogance killed her. He DOES get the blame (45:04), and he knows it's correct.
@@JoeyBilbo I often stop a video to address a specific point. Then resume the video. The end result is often several comments. After all that is the actual point of the comment section isn't it?
@@JoeyBilbo I mean, every single one of their comments is rated high with lots of likes because they're super necessary for the plot. What's the problem?
The author, Suzanne Collins, said that someone (an editor maybe) tried to convinced her not to kill Prim, because she was a fan favorite and it would've been too cruel, but Suzanne refused. She said that the only thing that was set in stone from the beginning was killing Prim. The books are not a happy tale of victory against a horrible evil. It is a dark and sad story about war and the consequences, and how it only brings sadness and destruction. Rebellion against injustices has to happen, but the reality is that 'there's never a winner' and no one ends up completely innocent or untouched.
when Prim dies, you realize that the Hunger Games and the war all done to protect Prim was a waste - all war is a waste. That it is not a war story, but an anti-war PTSD story
In a grand spiritual, destiny kind of sense, Prim's life purpose was to serve as the catalyst for Panem's liberty. None of the uprising would ever have happened if Prim wasn't the initial district 12 tribute, because then Katniss wouldn't have volunteered and the Mockingjay wouldn't have come to life. Prim died the moment they were only a foot closer to the end, and that was like fate telling her she's already done her job, and her death serving her final purpose, which was to push Katniss to see which ones she had to end to truly free the nation.
@@kelly9876 I don't fully agree. Katniss is now willing to bring children into the world, where before she wasn't. The result of this war is a better outcome for future generations in all districts. That's not a waste. A better lesson here is that war has a cost.
The final chapter of the book reads: Peeta and I grow back together. There are still moments when he clutches the back of a chair and hangs on until the flashbacks are over. I wake up screaming from nightmares of mutts and lost children. But his arms are there to comfort me. And eventually his lips. On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would've happened anyway. That what I need is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that. So after, when he whispers: "You love me. Real or not real?" I tell him: "Real"
Omg I was scrolling so far to find this comment. My favorite part of hunger games reactions is reading this paragraph that someone ALWAYS comments on the last video. It’s just so beautiful.
SHE BLAMES HIM BECAUSE HE CAME UP WITH THE BOMB STRATEGY. Bomb one kills people- bomb two kills people that come to help He’s sort off like the game maker
@@crowfoot1199I believe terrorist organizations have been doing it in the Middle East long before this book came out because when I first read it years ago I was like “yup that shit happens in real life.”
@@crowfoot1199 agreed, not surprising at all. That's kinda the whole point of terrorism - it targets civilians as well as military with a goal to deal both physical and psychological damage, as much as possible with fewer resources, to cripple a population with fear.
Katniss voted yes so not to rise any suspicion from Coin and stay on her good side. But note that she said "for prim", and who killed prim? Coin did (:
10:10 Gale’s enthusiasm for the plan to avalanche the miners in District 2 is particularly twisted because Katniss and Gale lost their fathers to a mine collapse in District 12. If the miners were lucky, they died immediately in the rockfall. If not, they were trapped in there and died a long, painful death. Katniss has been haunted by this event in District 12 ever since, so Gale deciding to inflict it on others is... wild.
@@samuellevesque7997 The part of their parents dying in the mines? It is hinted at a few times. The nightmare Katniss got when under the influence of the trackerjacker venom, where she saw the explosion. How her mother shut down, leaving her to raise Prim for a bit. It's alluded that Katniss and Gale both had to step up for their siblings, main reason is they lost their fathers. Its definitely in the movies, just in minute details that is definitely easy to miss.
@@BlueRoseWolfie Fair enough. I haven't watched these movies in details since they came out. Rewatching them here actually reminded me how good they were and not just "another bunch of YA derivative movies".
@@samuellevesque7997 I would argue that while the Hunger Games movies are not the earliest example of the genre, they are probably the most popular example, and as a result, the "YA derivative movies" are mostly derived from the Hunger Games. I certainly remembe most of the YA dystopian movies coming out after it. There was a rush to adapt many books after Hunger Games got popular. But it definitely stands as the best example, in books and movies, that I've read/watched.
The scene where Coin proposes a symbolic hunger games is so chilling and well acted. Katniss brilliantly plays Coin's game, agreeing with her, and the way Haymitch stares at Katniss and then agrees with her is so well done; he's appalled that she would agree to the plan but realizes Katniss must have a plan of her own, so he trusts her to do whatever she has planned.
He never actually "agrees" or says yes, he just says that he sides with Katniss. He stares and reads her for a moment, realizing she wouldn't say yes unless she had a plan, and trusts her enough to go with her decision.
In the book, Katniss explains why she chose Peeta. She said Gale had the same fire and rage in him that she had, but, to heal, she needed the hope and gentleness that Peeta offered. The book also explains that Peeta wanted children badly, something Katniss had said from the beginning she didn't want, and that it took a long time for her to finally agree to having a family with him. She didn't feel her children would be safe because the PTSD she'd suffered from the hunger games lingered long past the games ending. She had to finally realize her children would be safe before she could decide to bring life into the world. That final scene with Peeta and their children shows that Peeta was the right choice for her, offering her peace of soul that Gale would never have been able to provide her.
She also never liked Gale like that. He was familiar, but even before the games, she knew people thought they would marry one day, but she never wanted to. Her only moment of passion is with Peeta at the beach. With Gale it was always familiarity, and also guilt, which he used constantly against her.
@@noelie9198 it’s because he’s just another damaged kid like Peeta or Katniss. It makes sense that his trauma would make him somewhat prone to doing things in a more violent manner. We can’t really fault his character for that 🤷🏼♀️ That’s the whole point of him being written that way; to juxtapose him to Katniss or even Peeta.
That scene with Katniss yelling at Prim's cat is accurate in the book and it made me bawl my eyes out while reading it. I've never cried at words on a page before. Jennifer Lawrence did a spectacular job
The reason Gale „got the blame“ was that he was the one who designed the two-tiered bomb. It‘s a scene earlier in the movie. Katniss told him back then that this was too far, but either he didn‘t listen or it was too late. Katniss couldn‘t bear being in the same room as him, thinking that he had even a connection to Prim‘s death.
Philip Seymour Hoffman (Plutarch) died before the film was finished. There were a few scenes he had remaining and they ended up giving his dialogue to other characters, which is why Haymitch read a letter from him to Katniss at the end.
I know it was last movie but what I find ironic about snow saying 'It's what we love most that destroy us' he's basically admitting she convinced him that she's in love with peta. So he knew exactly how to get to her
Gale literally said he was okay with casualties. That killing wasn't personal. At every turn, Katniss said she did not approve of his tactics. He implemented them anyway and Prim died. Gale would forever be tied to the death of the most important person in her life. His heart was full of revenge and hate. Karnisss did not need that. She needed the peace and the calm that Peeta offered.
The thing with Gale, at least in the book, is that him and Katniss constantly argue about war and its limits. Katniss tries and tries again to tell him that his blind rage and thrist for revenge will lead to abuse and injustice but he never listens. So in the end when the strategy he engeneered results in the death of all those children and Prim, Katniss feels like he's beyond reach. I haven't watched the movie in a while but maybe this angle was a bit lost in adaptation. (Edit) I don't like Gale as a person but he is a beautifully crafted character, unfortunately the fandom rarely affords him the same nuance it does the rest of the cast.
If he argued more with his mind rather than his heart, IE. "we cannot afford to pull punches, we're already the underdogs, we cant win the compassionate way" rather than "they're all evil and we deserve revenge" he'd have a lot more valid point. I do think lack of morality is an unfair advantage that every oppressive party has in a conflict.
My opinion on the biggest difference between Gale & Peeta is their motivations. I think in a situation like the evacuation in 13 when Gale went back for Prim, had there been some other random person also left behind Peeta is the type to save both because it's the right thing to do & he has a pure heart. I think Gale wouldn't care about another person & just save Prim because he's doing it for Katniss, not because it's *right*. That's why I never liked Gale personally, although he does good things I felt it was never JUST for the sake of righteousness.
@@steffanixoom this is just untrue. Gale litterally expresses guilt for not being able to save as many as he thought he could (even though he couldnt have done more). Sure you can not like him but to say he only did it for katniss is disingenuous, and also: Peeta would've "just" saved more people? What is he, superman? Is he some kinda person with extra time on his hands to get more people out
It's super annoying how fandom treats anything Gale related and lets love triangle overshadow the war story. Like 90% of district people would be like Gale 75 years into this shit
Finnick's death always makes me break down. Whenever I think Mockingjay part 2 or Mockingjay book I always think of the sewer scene and I make me depressed. I agree with you, that was the most disgusting death. Finnick deserved better. 😭💔🔱
The reason Katniss blamed Gale for Prim’s death was that he created those bombs. He came up with a bomb that had two explosions, the first to kill a target, and the second specifically to kill medics and innocent civilians who would rush in to help. Let’s be extremely clear: that is a WAR CRIME. In the book Gale also has more scenes that showcase his bloodthirst and lust for vengeance. In District 2, he did not want to let anyone out of the Nut, he wanted to bury all of them alive, it was only with others’ persuasion that they ended up leaving one entrance open to allow those inside to surrender. He was ready to kill everyone, including civilians and rebel spies, because he explicitly stated that the Capitol had done the same to them. Although he never intended for Prim specifically to die, his blind rage was ultimately the cause of her death. Even then, he only cared because Prim died, if it was any other kid he would not care, as if that would make it any better. In the book, when he comes to see Katniss, the dude doesn’t even apologize and is literally just standing there feeling sorry for himself and complaining that Prim’s death blew his chances with her. TLDR: Gale can choke
I never understood the concept of war crime. War has no rules. It’s kill or be killed. No one has to abide by any arbitrary rules, hell it is happening as we speak in multiple war scenarios in our real world today. War crimes are only war crimes if you lose.
@@jip5889 In practice, it is difficult to enforce those rules as countries do what they want regardless. Still, I think it is important and valuable to have an agreed upon way to conduct war, such as attacks occurring against the other side’s army rather than innocent bystanders who want no part in it. It imposes some level of psychological restraint on leaders that certain actions are wrong and should be refrained from, even if some awful people will disregard them.
@@jip5889 I consider it as a killing of civilians. But at the same time a siege, which I wouldn't consider a war crime, ends up with the civilians being killed the first because they don't "contribute" to the defense of the city. So yeah, it's a bit muddy
I mean, saying that in that scene the only thing Gale was sorry about was him losing his chances on Katniss is a long stretch, he probably didn't apologize because he was either too shamed to do so or was in shock and unable to react to anything. I really don't get the mass hatred on Gale, he is definitely not that bad, people make him look like either a mass murderer or a creep, or both.
Katniss always said she would never have children as she would never willingly bring a child into that world. This makes the ending mean so much more as it signifies katniss finally felt the world and herself were finally at peace.
51:38 the cat’s purring moment is so pure- Katniss’s pain is being recognised; the cat is holding space for Katniss (even though the cat doesn’t actually like her) and loudly purring which science has shown to reduce heart rate, stress, emotional pain, etc. l have love these reactions
Despite the faults I have with the Mockingjay movies, they are still so underrated, in terms of rating and public opinion (most of them at least). People say splitting the Mockingjay book was a bad choice, but tbh, if Mockingjay was a one-whole-movie, I feel like it's going to be just a jumble of extremely rushed mess, with all the content in it
I agree with this. I don’t mind it being two parts. The criticism I do hold as a book reader, is leaving most book scenes out when that should’ve been the opposite considering they had two movies instead of one to fit everything in. For example: the Joanna and Katniss sequence from the book: where was that? It should’ve been in the film. Movies are still really great though.
In the book, Peta had been going under extensive de-programming, and Katnis had been there for much of it to help him remember what was real and what wasn't real. The movie left that part out for time sake, so for Peta to show up out of the blue to join the "propo" crew and be put right in with Katnis does seem super risky and out of place, but in fact he had been making tremendous progress getting back to the "real" Peta.
Gale indirectly killed Prim with those bombs he designed. Remember Gale had questionable morals towards the end, he was prepared to sacrifice innocent lives if it meant winning the war.
Fun fact: In the ending scene the children are Jennifer Lawrence's nephews. Bear, the oldest, really liked playing with Josh Hutcherson and that's what they are doing in that ending scene.
I find it so interesting that you guys were so upset about Gale. Peeta has been the clear choice in other reactions I've seen and people I know. I think it must be because you kind of connected Gale and Spartan throughout the series, pointing out things he does that remind you of Spartan, etc. Obviously tons of comments have already explained Gale's role in the bombs that killed Prim so I won't bother, and I think that whole thing happens so fast that you really have to watch it at least one more time to understand all the nuance anyway (though you guys caught a lot of it for a first watch!). I will say for anyone reading this whos interested, there are a few videos on yt explaining the symbolism between Peeta and Gale as 'choices' for Katniss that really help to explain and understand their characters. One I really liked was by Meredith Novaco and specifically analyzes how they represent different approaches to the rebellion for Katniss in Mockingjay. Highly recommend. Also highly recommend the books. There's audiobooks of the whole series read by Tatianna Maslany for free on youtube and they are fantastic.
Oh wow I had no idea Tatianna Maslany narrated the audiobooks, I might have to actually check them out! (I already read the books when I was like 14-ish but it's been so long I've been wanting to give them another read)
I mean yes like everyone is saying reading the book explains a bit more why she chose Peeta over Gale but honestly is not necessary. You can totally get why with just the movies. There’s no question as to why. I mean honestly who would choose Gale over Peeta 😅
The only thing that I feel you guys didn't get from the ending (and the whole series, tbf) is that Gale was the one who came up with the idea of the two-wave bombing. And Coin was the one that sent Prim in as a medic. She was knowledgeable, but too fresh to justify her being there. When Katnis realized that it was Gale's plan, and Prim was the result of it, she couldn't be with him anymore. Everything Katniss did was to keep Prim safe, and Gale was a part of her death. She couldn't be with someone who had any part of Prim's death. She doesn't hate him, but she can't love him anymore. Not like that. And I always felt that she would end up with Peeta, because Peeta was the one between the two that truly understood her trauma. Fantastic reaction & review, guys. I wish I could have stayed a Patreon, but priorities, right? I can't wait to see your reaction to the prequel.
I loved seeing your shocked faces at the end when Katniss had to play the game and keep Coin on side to put an end to it all 🤣 it all made sense eventually!
Okay ik you are confused about the Gale part but this is from the books where its much better and very beautifully explained Peeta and I grow back together. There are still moments when he clutches the back of a chair and hangs on until the flashbacks are over. I wake screaming from nightmares of mutts and lost children. But his arms are there to comfort me. And eventually his lips. On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would have happened anyway. That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that. So after, when he whispers, "You love me. Real or not real?" I tell him, "Real."
It’s sort of weird that you both missed how Gale became what Katniss has always been against. Usually between the two of you, one of you catches these things.
There’s alot going on in this series. I had to reread that part in the book cause I was sorta in disbelief because it all happens so fast and is so awful
50:52 this scene is particularly sad for me bcos in the books, they rlly stress how the cat only likes Prim, and hates everyone else. but after Prim dies, he sits still as Katniss freaks out and lets her pick him up and hold him, it’s like he knew Prim was gone.
Suzanne Collins has stated that she regrets Finnick’s death. She has many characters, including Maggs, Haymitch, Joanne, Beetee and Finnick that are ripe for a book focused on them.
You have to understand, Katniss dismissed Gale because the bomb. If you remember, Gale was the one who came up with the idea to have a bomb go off twice to kill the people who are trying to help the wounded. She even voiced immediately it was terrible but Gale shot down her concerns. She was seeing how bloodthirsty he was becoming during the war. And in the end, that invention that he made is used to kill her sister. Someone he swore to protect. Katniss doesn't blame him for her death because he obviously had nothing to do with it, but she can't separate the association.
The blood on Snow's handkerchief is from the sores in his mouth from the poison he uses to kill his opponents. Finnick talked about this after the capital bombed district 13 and Katnis couldn't go on camera after freaking out when seeing the thousands of white roses.
Katniss knew she needed to vote yes so Coin would not suspect her motives. Coin believes Katniss thinks Snow ordered the parachutes, when Katniss knows it was Coin. Katniss also knows that the 2 tiered explosion was Gale's idea so he is also indirectly responsible for Prim's death. He didnt come to visit her while she was in recovery for a reason. If Prim had died any other way, he would have been there right away. He knew or at least questioned if he did accidentally kill Prim. Their philosophies have swayed to such opposite sides and too much damage has been done for Katniss and Gale to have any sort of relationship anymore. Haymitch and Katniss are able to communicate so effectively without having to say much. He knew if she voted yes, there was a reason and he needed to back her up. And yes, Katniss was going to take the nightlock pill after she assassinated Coin but of course Peeta was paying close attention to her and stopped her just in time 🙏🙏
Gale is not a hero. He is selfish, manipulative and vengeful. He turns his back on Peeta. He's constantly putting his feelings for Katniss above her trauma.His capacity for violence increases with his need for vengeance. Despite actually being in two games, Katniss and Peeta maintained their empathy where Gale was losing his. This is just my opinion based on his character from the books and movies.
The books are obviously more detailed when it comes to the relationship with Gale and how he loses himself. Gale gets a lot of hate because of how he changes and becomes almost malicious in the books towards Peeta and when it comes to war. When Katniss is cold with him while saying goodbye, it's because of all of the events leading up to the final bombing that kills Prim, but also because she knows he has lost himself. He accepts the dismissal so defeated because after all is said and done, he knows he has too and his plan ended up getting Prim killed, even if it wasn't his intention. It WAS his intention, however, to bomb the innocent people of the capital.
I really enjoy your conversations after the movies. After every Hunger Games movie, each one has been thoughtful and thought-provoking. You cover a lot of great details and discuss a lot of great points. So glad you enjoyed the movies so much! They are sad and tragic with a beautifully bittersweet realistic ending. Can't wait for the prequel!
48:30 one of the most memorable things from the book was that Gale gave her a sheath and there was only one arrow. signifying “the last shot of the war.” i kinda took it as katniss having to choose whether to kill coin or snow.
I’ve really grown to appreciate this series more and more over the years, it’s not perfect as nothing is, but damn it’s ageing like tine. Incredible reactions can’t wait for the prequel!
Katniss voted yes on the Hunger Games because she knew it's the only way to get to Coin and kill her. In the books she was also only given one arrow to execute Snow, so she didn't have any other opportunity to get to Coin. I just love how eye opening the story is and will remain. Glad you enjoyed them
I find it interesting that in the 1st movie Peeta was concerned that the Capitol would change him. In the end, despite everything they did to him, he stayed true to himself and his ideals. However, Gale became changed by the Capitol. By giving in to his anger he came up with the strategy to "punish" the Capitol. In the books he was very much taken with President Coin and had become almost fanatical. It doesn't show this in the film, but Gale not only devised the trap that killed Prim, but KNEW President Coin was going to use it AND on whom. He knew that she was going to use it on the children, then the Rebels would send in medics, who they would detonate secondary devices on...and he didn't CARE. The only thing he didn't know was that Prim would be there...and the reason she was there was that President Coin DELIBERATELY sent her there to die. In the film it makes it seem like he didn't know the plan, but he did. The book has a far better interaction between President Snow and Katniss, and he is the one who warns her about who Coin really is (after all as a monster himself he could recognise the monster in her). Colonel Boggs (again not really shown in the films but in the books), warned Katniss about Coin, that Coin felt that Katniss was a bigger threat than the whole Capitol for her plan to just walk in and take power...for herself and she never intended for there to be a democracy. That is why Katniss killed her, and she was literally the only one who could, and that the people would tolerate it, perhaps even understand it I guarantee that if you ever rewatch these films, you'll see Gale in a completely different light than you had on your first watch through.
Snow truly never lies to Katnis. This movie is a great example of how someone can be truthful and evil/twisted at the same time. Well, like Thanos in MCU too.
1. That speech Finnic gave about snow and poison was 100% literal, that's why he was coughing blood. 2.Gale knew the plan about the bombs. His "I don't know" was a denial of what happened. 3. The nightlock poison was meant for katnis not snow. Why? We can only speculate
We don't need to speculate about Katniss's nightlock pill. She believed after she assassinated Coin that she would be severely punished or sentenced to death for it. She wanted to take it but Peeta knocked it out of her hand before she could.
In the original script this letter was supposed to be a monologue given by Plutarch Heavensby but Philip Seymour Hoffman unexpectedly died before the scene was filmed so they decided to make it a letter read by Haymich instead.
The ONLY thing that saves it (sorta) for me is the way he hit that beam. It made me think he broke his back and he wouldn't have wanted to live that way. 😢
I hate the way the movies did his death. I mean I hate the fact he dies at all, but at least in the books there was nothing that any of them could do. All of the characters were struggling; Gale was badly wounded, peeta and Katniss had no weapons left and also Katniss was really struggling with her senses due to the overwhelming scent of roses that came with the mutts. Plus Finnick was literally decapitated in the book. I get the movie had to make it more tense, like him almost making it up the ladder and not saying I wanted to see him lose his head but still, hate it. If he really had to die, would have rather it been him just falling and instant death 💔
When Prim dies that's when it hits you that all of this, the whole series all the way back to the beginning, started with Katniss trying to protect Prim and it was all for nothing because Prim still dies in the end. Well, Panem is free from it's dictator at least, but Katniss' whole purpose was for naught showing how the war for freedom while good in cause still results in everyone losing in some way. I do think it is beautiful how Katniss says when asked about kids early on in the first movie I think, she says she could never see herself having kids and putting them through the hell of potentially being reaped for the games, and then after the war she ends up having two beautiful happy healthy babies, something she didn't think she would ever have.
I like how they were respectful of Hoffman's death in this movie. I am glad they didn't try to CGI Plutarch into it. A letter seem plausible considering how much and how far everyone travels during the war.
The Gale thing is clearer in the books. Basically, he helped to design the bombs that were used to kill Prim. Earlier in the movie, he said “sometimes killing isn’t personal,” this is when Katniss saw the bombs for the first time. She doesn’t blame Gale specifically for the attack, but she can’t mentally separate him from the bombs that killed her sister. So she couldn’t be around him anymore.
Collins (who wrote the books) had no intention of a love story between Gale and Katniss. They were hunting buddies and in the books it's clear he wants more than she. In the first book/movie she tells him she will never have children. That adds poignancy to the last scene. Others explained very well why she told Gale goodbye; even the friendship is damaged at that point but I think she chose Peeta even before that. Spartan commented on that kiss when they were on the run. In the Mockingjay book, Katniss tells us why Gale could never be the love for her. (Here follows not her words but my paraphrase) Gale was fire and she has had enough fire in her life -- starting with her father's death in the mines and ending with Prim's death. She chose the peace Effie wished for her, the warmth Peeta favored in the orange of the sunset. Gale was always -- from the first movie/book -- about the fight and he ends appropriately as the lead officer assigned to keep the peace in (previously) wealthy District 2, the District known for recruiting Snow's peacekeepers. Katniss chose home and peace with Peeta, happiness.
I think yall missed when Finnick explained that Snow is still suffering the effects of poisoning ppl when he was younger, bc he had to drink from the same cup as the ones he was poisoning.. that's why in Catching Fire, when Snow took a sip of his champagne, blood filled the cup.. he's not dying, atleast not quickly, just suffering from the past I guess u could say And btw.. Peeta did say Rue in his speech, yall were just in your feels when he did
The second bomb that killed Prim was Gales idea, obviously he didn't know Prim would be there, but still. Such a good film and really pulled on the heart. A great set of films. Glad you enjoyed them.
Katniss and Gale didn't exactly get along in Mockingjay, it was more pronounced in the book but the movie did touch on their opposing views. He hates everyone connected to the Capitol and thinks they deserve to die, even the people mopping the floors. After going into the Games and seeing death first hand, Katniss could never agree with that. That conversation was in the last movie but I don't think you covered it. I wouldn't call him bloodthirsty exactly, but he had no reservations about killing them all, he designed the bomb that killed Prim. He thought it was ok to bomb people, and when aid came, bomb them again. He feels bad because Prim died, that's all. He's too ruthless for Katniss and she is absolutely right to blame him
I definitely recommend rewatching these movies every now and then! I always pick up so much more whenever I rewatch them and I fall in love even moreee
I remember getting trained in the army on secondary IED’s. As a medic it was drilled into us that once an IED went off you couldn’t just run in to try and save the injured because secondary devices weren’t uncommon.
Capitol kills rebellious citizens: “that’s disgusting” Rebels kill civilians: “rebels aren’t messing around dude! :D” And they aren’t ripping children from their parents, you always save the children first in a military evacuation that’s this close to the combat. They are the next generation.
I'm still shocked by the fact that at District 13 there are just a few children (Prim explains there was a pandemic a few years ago in Mockingjay Part 1) and they still dare to kill Capitol children and even suggest to celebrate one more Hunger Games edition. What kind of society did Coin want to build with only grown-up men and women? It's like she wanted to érase a whole generation.
This sounds like a massive bootlicker comment . It’s not ok to kill civilians in anyway but the capitol didn’t just kill “rebellious civilians” that’s laughable .
@@angelukikai i think she was hoping to thin out a whole generation that could defy the changes she wanted to make, so they would have to start over completely, and she could control and indoctrinate future generations just like the Capitol did 76 years ago.
30:55 remember, Finnick told the story in the last one about how Snow gained power by poisoning everyone around him and to avoid suspicion he would poison everybody's cups. He would give himself the antidote but the antidote only did so much, leaving sores in his mouth that did not completely heal and he kept flowers around him all the time to cover up the smell the sores in his mouth made.
Gale do get some of the blame, you see. Because it was his idea and his idea was to kill as much people as possible. He was prepared to kill everyone too. May be because he had become so full of anger and hate. I don't think he would've felt remorse if Prim didn't die. He said he was supposed to protect Katniss family and he felt sorry. He didn't say he regret his idea or anything. I just think he felt something because it was Prim and would've move on if it wasn't her. But I like to think that Gale learnt something from this and his rage reduces a little.
Gale knew about the plan or at least he suspected but didn't want to confess it, that's why Katniss made that decision. I think you guys didn't notice the signs.
9:55 Katniss already didn’t like Gale’s delayed explosion plan when he first revealed it… when it later results in the death of a loved one she can never look at him the same way again.
Gail had a roll in the bombs that killed the children and the secondary explosion that killed Prim. Gail had discussed the strategy of a second bomb to kill victims and first responders with Katniss which is how she recognized his involvement with it. Gail was intending to protect Katniss and Prim but was captured by the Capitol soldiers.
"The Hunger Games" also makes a lot more sense when you think back to the books themselves and when and how they were written, around 2006-2007 and published in early 2008. While the idea of a battle-to-the-death involving children may have been suggested to Suzanne Collins from the Japanese film "Battle Royale" (she's said she hadn't seen it, but even then a gladiatorial contest isn't the most original of ideas itself, so who's to say), what truly inspired her was the incredible rise in popularity of 'reality' TV, it getting increasingly violent and more and more disturbing images being cleared to air, the increasing rise of school shootings in the US, and the Middle East conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan following 9/11 being constantly televised. One of the main points of "The Hunger Games" series is how desensitized to the brutal horrors of war and death people can be and how she felt like the cheering on of the wars in the Middle East, the war profiteering that was happening, and how she felt that people were beginning to be more divided than ever and innocent children were being offered up as 'sacrifices' to the bloodthirsty 'viewers'. The reason that "Mockingjay" in particular is so brutal is to get away from the flash and 'glamour', so to speak, of the Games and zoom in on the reality of war: that no-one is safe, nothing is sacred, and the more increasingly divided people are the easier it is to dehumanize them. Gale is meant to serve as a symbol of what happens when the oppressed become oppressors, while Coin herself was inspired by many real-world leaders who assumed power during a power vacuum in a time of conflict and found themselves unwilling to give up that power when the time came. There were some other artists that tried to make this point and were heavily censored for it (see the downfall of The Dixie Chicks or the insane backlash and death threats Madonna received for her "American Life" music video). What I find really, really sad about "The Hunger Games" is, especially in light of what's happening around the world even now in 2024, these books/films have aged incredibly well and maintain hauntingly relevant in their quest to implore people not to ignore history, to see the inevitable results of tyranny and oppression, and above all to strive for peaceful coexistence because war does nothing but destroy.
I think a big part of why she left Gale is when she looks at him fair or not all she sees is him giving coin the idea that killed Prim and she cant see past it
You should read the books. You get a lot more detail that explains the things that you missed. Simple example are the “mutts”, which are “muttations” (mutations) created by the Capital. So much more - the symbolism of the 3-finger left-hand salute of District 12, why Snow bleeds from the mouth and why he wears roses, why Katniss chooses Peeta instead of Gale, and how she feels about the whole “love triangle” thing. Gale was always all about the rebellion and Katniss was always all about protecting her family. And Peeta was always all about Katniss. Katniss was never in love with Gale and Gale was never in love with Katniss. It was played up a little bit in the movie but even in the movie it was clear that Gale only cares about the rebellion. You also get a little more history in the books and a little bit more of the significance of the songs Katniss sings, and where she learned them. This will be important when you watch the prequel.
@@derps0n839 yeah it was sad and touching they had Woody/Haymitch read the "letter from Plutarch" as away to finish what they needed from Philip's character. RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman, what an amazing actor gone too soon.
55:50 the story (specially in the book) is told from Katniss POV, that's why we don't get to see what happened after the bomb! She got knockout, and we wake up, with her, when everything already ended
The reason why Katniss was not able to be with Gale was because the thinking of that kind of bomb was his idea to kill more people, the second detonation in it, he aaid that that will get more people, medics etc... so it was actually his idea/desing that killed Prim. Thinking about it, even if he didnt kill her directly she was not going to forget how Prim died, she couldnt be with Gale for that and Gale just wanted war at that point and Katniss needed peace.
If you will remember when Katniss and Gale were meeting to discuss how to dig the loyalists out (with Brienne of Tarth), and GALE suggested a double bomb to kill and then kill those responding to rescue others. Gale may have well been the pone to suggest such a tactic to President Coyne to use in the Capitol. When Katniss asks Gale if the bomb and Prim's death was "him" she was asking if he was responsible and he said he didn't know, all he knows is he failed. To me this is an admission by Gale that he is either directly or indirectly responsible for Prim's death which is why Katniss dismissed him with such coldness.
in the books it goes into detail on how well Gale is in making booby traps and creates a lot of traps which kills many people, i guess similar to the traps in the hunger games. I think Gale slowly starts becoming a peacekeeper as the war went on.
Mutt stands for mutation which means it’s anything the capitol created to use as weapons. The dogs in the first game and the tracker jackers, the monkeys in catching fire and so on
I loved the ending. I thought it was perfect for the story Suzanne Collins was telling about war and the effect it has on the world and different people/society. I do love the books more just because we're able to be inside of Katniss's head and she does say that after her and Peeta get together that she realized it would've always ended with her being with Peeta. The Gale situation isn't to complicated. Katniss was warning Gale all of Mockingjay that his way of thinking can lead to alot of innocent death which he replied if innocent people are cleaning the Capitals floors then they deserve to die or atleast he's fine with killing them to win. Gale showed Beetee the design for the bomb that killed Prim, Katniss over heard that and told him how wrong it was but Gale thought he knew better even though Katniss and Peeta being 2 years younger than Gale have been in more war like situations he wouldn't listen he was to blood thirsty for victory. In the end he had a hand in Prims death and he of course never wanted Prim to get hurt but it doesn't matter she did get hurt or killed and now Gale is dead to Katniss just like Prim is. Peeta is what she needed to survive if you ever go through the movies again I think you'll see that it was always going to be Peeta she ended up with. And in my opinion I just think Gale treated Katniss like crap if she didn't reciprocate his feeling then he felt like she did something wrong while Peeta wanted to be with her just as bad but he was there for her because he cared about her not because it hopefully led to something else. Peeta was going to give up everything for her to survive and gives her a guilt free pass to let him die and have her go home from the 2nd games and be with Gale and her family. ❤Peeta
In the books it explains the Gale situation much better. Katniss says that Gale is fire and that she has enough fire in her own soul. But Peeta is like calm refreshing water, like a cleansing spring rain that keeps fire under control. And that Peeta's calmness and softness is what she needs to balance her own fire (anger).
I love the look Katniss gives Haymich at the round table when they’re deciding to have a symbolic hunger games. He knows she has something else in mind and sides w her. And katniss took the night lock out to kill herself after she killed Coin. Not for snow, but Peeta stopped her. It breaks my heart that Philip Seymour Hoffman (Plutarch) passed away before he could finish these movies. He was an amazing actor
"War is politics by other means". Gale didn't love Katniss he was merely jealous. They were NOT a romantic couple. They were hunting partners. Gale came up with the trap that killed Prim and said he didn't care about who died and she said, "with that attitude you can send kids to the Hunger Games". Go back and watch it again. What did you expect her to do? War, real war, is not a thing where you smile when people die.
your last line is very, very true. i think people forget. especially westerners, especially americans. war has been commodified here, turned into this mythical grand thing you cheer on from thousands of miles away. war is horrendous and so is every loss of life. they could do with remembering that, maybe then so many countries wouldn’t hate them
Finnick's death is one of the most painful I've ever experienced in a movie. His character was so strong and honorable and loyal. I still have trouble rewatching that scene, though I know what's going to happen and clearly know he's just an actor; Finnick was a really good friend to Katniss, even more so in the books, and supported and held her up when she was falling apart. His back story was so tragic and terrible, but he had just finally found love and gotten married, only to die so horrifically. 💔
I get so annoyed whenever they speak well of gale😅 They completely ignored ALL the red flags. The bomb was HIS idea. Prim wouldn't have died if not for his well thought out war crime.
Snow isn’t a coward lol he’s quite genius. If you have a threat you want to take out you try by any means necessary, him doing so before they have a 1v1 isn’t cowardice 😅
It's funny because Coin planned and caused Prim's death but she was never able to control Katniss so it led to her own death. Thanks for a great series, I enjoyed watching all four movies with you both!
Gale developed a tactic that is a War Crime today. He is directly responsible for Prim's death as one of the targeted medical staff. Oh and Jackson was totally in the right to kill Katniss if she didn't follow military chain of command
Damn this finale left us thinking for a while! Trippy twist at the end...we knew President coin could not be trusted!
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If your guys think the movies were perfect please give the books a read .. it’s soo much more better and they fill in the blanks that’s your emotionally missing
@@Quality.QI agree, I’m currently rereading them and I love the amount of detail I missed and forgotten about a decade ago while watching the movies so many times. Wow, a decade.
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Well in the books, it is explained that people from district 12 started to slowly come back and rebuild. Another thing, the movies did make it seem like it was more of a love story between gale and katniss, but it really wasn't like that for katniss, she always more so looked as him a like a brother, but knew he had other feeling for her and felt bad about it.
To help with the Gale confusion... You forgot the discussion between Gale & Beatty about the delayed explosive bomb, the first bomb which draws people in.. so the Capitol's children and Prim were killed by Gale's 'invention'. Coin purposely sent Prim in knowing she would die and Gale's thirst for revenge was too much for Katniss. As for the Nightlock pill, remember Johanna saying "anybody can kill a President, you've just got to be willing to sacrifice yourself". Katniss was going to take the pill afterwards but Peeta took it from her, saving her yet again.
The books are much darker with this part because after Katniss kills Coin and leaves, she thinks of all the ways she can kill herself. Very sad.
Well explained 👍
Yea it happens real fast in the movies you can miss it but the book explains a lot
I know the book readers would come through with the save. They liked the comment so they got it now. Or other comments.
Exactly- Katniss couldn't ever fully forgive Gale because the brutality he supported and aided with in the war -- which was always too far for her -- led to the death of those children and Prim. It is implied that even if he had known the full plan, he may have still gone along with it in order to stop the war -- and that fundamental difference between them is what she had to accept that day and let him go.
I love when Haymitch said “I’m with the Mockingjay”. He never voted yes to Coin’s proposal. He took a long look at Katniss and trusted her. I love his story arc!
Gale designed the trap that killed Prim. Katniss warned him the double bombing trap for medics and civilians was WRONG, and he didn't listen, and it directly resulted in Prim's death. Gale didn't target Prim specifically, but his arrogance killed her. He DOES get the blame (45:04), and he knows it's correct.
Jesus how many comments did you leave?
@@JoeyBilboFive… Is there an admin rule for the Spartan and Pudgey comment section that I’m missing, or is this meant for another comment?
@@JoeyBilbo I often stop a video to address a specific point. Then resume the video. The end result is often several comments.
After all that is the actual point of the comment section isn't it?
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@@JoeyBilbo I mean, every single one of their comments is rated high with lots of likes because they're super necessary for the plot. What's the problem?
The author, Suzanne Collins, said that someone (an editor maybe) tried to convinced her not to kill Prim, because she was a fan favorite and it would've been too cruel, but Suzanne refused. She said that the only thing that was set in stone from the beginning was killing Prim. The books are not a happy tale of victory against a horrible evil. It is a dark and sad story about war and the consequences, and how it only brings sadness and destruction. Rebellion against injustices has to happen, but the reality is that 'there's never a winner' and no one ends up completely innocent or untouched.
I didn't know that, Suzanne knew what she wanted to do and she did it what an icon
"In war there are no winners, only widows"
This reminds me of Andor and Luthens epic, heartbreaking monologue.
I came here to comment that! Prim was dead the moment her name was pulled at the reaping.
she however admitted regretting killing Finnick
what i love about this franchise is that this story started with Katniss volunteering to protect Prim but at the end she still lost her. Full circle.
Yeah, the flames sparked when she volunteered for Prim, and flickered away when Prim died. Love the symbolism
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when Prim dies, you realize that the Hunger Games and the war all done to protect Prim was a waste - all war is a waste. That it is not a war story, but an anti-war PTSD story
In a grand spiritual, destiny kind of sense, Prim's life purpose was to serve as the catalyst for Panem's liberty. None of the uprising would ever have happened if Prim wasn't the initial district 12 tribute, because then Katniss wouldn't have volunteered and the Mockingjay wouldn't have come to life. Prim died the moment they were only a foot closer to the end, and that was like fate telling her she's already done her job, and her death serving her final purpose, which was to push Katniss to see which ones she had to end to truly free the nation.
@@kelly9876 I don't fully agree. Katniss is now willing to bring children into the world, where before she wasn't. The result of this war is a better outcome for future generations in all districts. That's not a waste. A better lesson here is that war has a cost.
The final chapter of the book reads:
Peeta and I grow back together. There are still moments when he clutches the back of a chair and hangs on until the flashbacks are over. I wake up screaming from nightmares of mutts and lost children. But his arms are there to comfort me. And eventually his lips. On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would've happened anyway. That what I need is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that.
So after, when he whispers: "You love me. Real or not real?"
I tell him: "Real"
Omg I was scrolling so far to find this comment. My favorite part of hunger games reactions is reading this paragraph that someone ALWAYS comments on the last video. It’s just so beautiful.
Thank you for including this. I completely forgot about that.
This so soooo important ❤❤
SHE BLAMES HIM BECAUSE HE CAME UP WITH THE BOMB STRATEGY. Bomb one kills people- bomb two kills people that come to help
He’s sort off like the game maker
I just realized the russians do this double-tap when they bomb civilian areas.
so did the terrorists @ the boston marathon @@crowfoot1199
@@crowfoot1199I believe terrorist organizations have been doing it in the Middle East long before this book came out because when I first read it years ago I was like “yup that shit happens in real life.”
@@abbiejo6822 I wasn't aware. Not surprising other terrorists have done this - it's a pretty shitty move, especially where civilians are concerned.
@@crowfoot1199 agreed, not surprising at all. That's kinda the whole point of terrorism - it targets civilians as well as military with a goal to deal both physical and psychological damage, as much as possible with fewer resources, to cripple a population with fear.
Katniss voted yes so not to rise any suspicion from Coin and stay on her good side. But note that she said "for prim", and who killed prim? Coin did (:
10:10 Gale’s enthusiasm for the plan to avalanche the miners in District 2 is particularly twisted because Katniss and Gale lost their fathers to a mine collapse in District 12. If the miners were lucky, they died immediately in the rockfall. If not, they were trapped in there and died a long, painful death. Katniss has been haunted by this event in District 12 ever since, so Gale deciding to inflict it on others is... wild.
That's really a nice detail here, but one that isn't really in the movies as far as I know.
@@samuellevesque7997 The part of their parents dying in the mines? It is hinted at a few times. The nightmare Katniss got when under the influence of the trackerjacker venom, where she saw the explosion. How her mother shut down, leaving her to raise Prim for a bit. It's alluded that Katniss and Gale both had to step up for their siblings, main reason is they lost their fathers. Its definitely in the movies, just in minute details that is definitely easy to miss.
@@samuellevesque7997It’s there, but it’s spelled out much more clearly in the books.
@@BlueRoseWolfie Fair enough. I haven't watched these movies in details since they came out. Rewatching them here actually reminded me how good they were and not just "another bunch of YA derivative movies".
@@samuellevesque7997 I would argue that while the Hunger Games movies are not the earliest example of the genre, they are probably the most popular example, and as a result, the "YA derivative movies" are mostly derived from the Hunger Games. I certainly remembe most of the YA dystopian movies coming out after it. There was a rush to adapt many books after Hunger Games got popular. But it definitely stands as the best example, in books and movies, that I've read/watched.
The scene where Coin proposes a symbolic hunger games is so chilling and well acted. Katniss brilliantly plays Coin's game, agreeing with her, and the way Haymitch stares at Katniss and then agrees with her is so well done; he's appalled that she would agree to the plan but realizes Katniss must have a plan of her own, so he trusts her to do whatever she has planned.
He never actually "agrees" or says yes, he just says that he sides with Katniss. He stares and reads her for a moment, realizing she wouldn't say yes unless she had a plan, and trusts her enough to go with her decision.
In the book, Katniss explains why she chose Peeta. She said Gale had the same fire and rage in him that she had, but, to heal, she needed the hope and gentleness that Peeta offered. The book also explains that Peeta wanted children badly, something Katniss had said from the beginning she didn't want, and that it took a long time for her to finally agree to having a family with him. She didn't feel her children would be safe because the PTSD she'd suffered from the hunger games lingered long past the games ending. She had to finally realize her children would be safe before she could decide to bring life into the world. That final scene with Peeta and their children shows that Peeta was the right choice for her, offering her peace of soul that Gale would never have been able to provide her.
She also never liked Gale like that. He was familiar, but even before the games, she knew people thought they would marry one day, but she never wanted to. Her only moment of passion is with Peeta at the beach. With Gale it was always familiarity, and also guilt, which he used constantly against her.
She said she didn’t want them because she didn’t want to have them grow up and be reaped
Between Gale and Peeta, Peeta was the one who could truly understand her and what the games do to a person.
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It’s funny how they love Gale so much, he’s so hated in the fandom 😂
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Don’t worry guys not everyone hates him. I always thought he was a meaningful and important character in the story 🩵
The fact that he's played by Liam Hemsworth surely has nothing to do with it 🤔
It’s because they’re capable of critical thinking that’s why they don’t hate gale 😂
@@noelie9198 it’s because he’s just another damaged kid like Peeta or Katniss. It makes sense that his trauma would make him somewhat prone to doing things in a more violent manner. We can’t really fault his character for that 🤷🏼♀️ That’s the whole point of him being written that way; to juxtapose him to Katniss or even Peeta.
That scene with Katniss yelling at Prim's cat is accurate in the book and it made me bawl my eyes out while reading it. I've never cried at words on a page before. Jennifer Lawrence did a spectacular job
Katniss returning to the house and finding Peeta has come home, while planting Primrose in the garden... it's one of my favourite moments ever.
Mine too❤
The reason Gale „got the blame“ was that he was the one who designed the two-tiered bomb. It‘s a scene earlier in the movie. Katniss told him back then that this was too far, but either he didn‘t listen or it was too late. Katniss couldn‘t bear being in the same room as him, thinking that he had even a connection to Prim‘s death.
Right 😅 like he WAS responsible for it
Philip Seymour Hoffman (Plutarch) died before the film was finished. There were a few scenes he had remaining and they ended up giving his dialogue to other characters, which is why Haymitch read a letter from him to Katniss at the end.
30:58 “He’s coughing up blood?” - Pudgey four movies in
I know it was last movie but what I find ironic about snow saying 'It's what we love most that destroy us' he's basically admitting she convinced him that she's in love with peta. So he knew exactly how to get to her
Omg yes! I never though of that way… and that makes Katniss the last person to realize that she was truly in love with Peeta
Gale literally said he was okay with casualties. That killing wasn't personal. At every turn, Katniss said she did not approve of his tactics. He implemented them anyway and Prim died. Gale would forever be tied to the death of the most important person in her life. His heart was full of revenge and hate. Karnisss did not need that. She needed the peace and the calm that Peeta offered.
Peta *says rue name as a part of the friends they lost
Spartan: he should’ve said rue
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@@SpartanandPudgey it happens 😂 idk how you guys multitask watching, talking and processing at the same time
@@SpartanandPudgey Peeta is wrong his mom beat him for burning the bread in the first place not because of who he gave it to.
Do you know why Peta said Clove? Didn’t she try to kill Katniss??? 😭
The thing with Gale, at least in the book, is that him and Katniss constantly argue about war and its limits. Katniss tries and tries again to tell him that his blind rage and thrist for revenge will lead to abuse and injustice but he never listens. So in the end when the strategy he engeneered results in the death of all those children and Prim, Katniss feels like he's beyond reach.
I haven't watched the movie in a while but maybe this angle was a bit lost in adaptation.
(Edit) I don't like Gale as a person but he is a beautifully crafted character, unfortunately the fandom rarely affords him the same nuance it does the rest of the cast.
If he argued more with his mind rather than his heart, IE. "we cannot afford to pull punches, we're already the underdogs, we cant win the compassionate way"
rather than "they're all evil and we deserve revenge" he'd have a lot more valid point. I do think lack of morality is an unfair advantage that every oppressive party has in a conflict.
My opinion on the biggest difference between Gale & Peeta is their motivations. I think in a situation like the evacuation in 13 when Gale went back for Prim, had there been some other random person also left behind Peeta is the type to save both because it's the right thing to do & he has a pure heart. I think Gale wouldn't care about another person & just save Prim because he's doing it for Katniss, not because it's *right*. That's why I never liked Gale personally, although he does good things I felt it was never JUST for the sake of righteousness.
@@steffanixoom this is just untrue. Gale litterally expresses guilt for not being able to save as many as he thought he could (even though he couldnt have done more). Sure you can not like him but to say he only did it for katniss is disingenuous, and also:
Peeta would've "just" saved more people? What is he, superman? Is he some kinda person with extra time on his hands to get more people out
It's super annoying how fandom treats anything Gale related and lets love triangle overshadow the war story. Like 90% of district people would be like Gale 75 years into this shit
Well to be fair if you get my little sister killed I’ll hate you so that’s how I saw it
Her screaming at prims cat with all that raw emotion gets me everytime 😢
Finnick's death always makes me break down. Whenever I think Mockingjay part 2 or Mockingjay book I always think of the sewer scene and I make me depressed. I agree with you, that was the most disgusting death. Finnick deserved better. 😭💔🔱
I believe his death is the one that the author regrets 😢
@@abigailmallett9985 I hope too but from what I hear it's just a rumour...
Yep, when Finnick died(even though I got spoiled before watching) I got very upset, like I didn't care anymore who was going to survive or die.
@@elijahrebullar7348 exactly me, I also was spoiled about that and I didn't care who survives after that. Cried several days straight.
Least deserved or fitting death in the whole story, I managed to avoid crying all 4 movies until then, it was so difficult
The reason Katniss blamed Gale for Prim’s death was that he created those bombs. He came up with a bomb that had two explosions, the first to kill a target, and the second specifically to kill medics and innocent civilians who would rush in to help. Let’s be extremely clear: that is a WAR CRIME.
In the book Gale also has more scenes that showcase his bloodthirst and lust for vengeance. In District 2, he did not want to let anyone out of the Nut, he wanted to bury all of them alive, it was only with others’ persuasion that they ended up leaving one entrance open to allow those inside to surrender. He was ready to kill everyone, including civilians and rebel spies, because he explicitly stated that the Capitol had done the same to them.
Although he never intended for Prim specifically to die, his blind rage was ultimately the cause of her death. Even then, he only cared because Prim died, if it was any other kid he would not care, as if that would make it any better. In the book, when he comes to see Katniss, the dude doesn’t even apologize and is literally just standing there feeling sorry for himself and complaining that Prim’s death blew his chances with her.
TLDR: Gale can choke
I never understood the concept of war crime. War has no rules. It’s kill or be killed. No one has to abide by any arbitrary rules, hell it is happening as we speak in multiple war scenarios in our real world today. War crimes are only war crimes if you lose.
@@jip5889 In practice, it is difficult to enforce those rules as countries do what they want regardless. Still, I think it is important and valuable to have an agreed upon way to conduct war, such as attacks occurring against the other side’s army rather than innocent bystanders who want no part in it. It imposes some level of psychological restraint on leaders that certain actions are wrong and should be refrained from, even if some awful people will disregard them.
@@alti2b Well, those leaders won’t have much to reflect upon if they are dead. War has no rules and you win it by destroying the other side.
@@jip5889 I consider it as a killing of civilians. But at the same time a siege, which I wouldn't consider a war crime, ends up with the civilians being killed the first because they don't "contribute" to the defense of the city. So yeah, it's a bit muddy
I mean, saying that in that scene the only thing Gale was sorry about was him losing his chances on Katniss is a long stretch, he probably didn't apologize because he was either too shamed to do so or was in shock and unable to react to anything.
I really don't get the mass hatred on Gale, he is definitely not that bad, people make him look like either a mass murderer or a creep, or both.
Katniss always said she would never have children as she would never willingly bring a child into that world. This makes the ending mean so much more as it signifies katniss finally felt the world and herself were finally at peace.
51:38 the cat’s purring moment is so pure- Katniss’s pain is being recognised; the cat is holding space for Katniss (even though the cat doesn’t actually like her) and loudly purring which science has shown to reduce heart rate, stress, emotional pain, etc. l have love these reactions
Despite the faults I have with the Mockingjay movies, they are still so underrated, in terms of rating and public opinion (most of them at least). People say splitting the Mockingjay book was a bad choice, but tbh, if Mockingjay was a one-whole-movie, I feel like it's going to be just a jumble of extremely rushed mess, with all the content in it
Yeah there is zero way this would not have been a disaster if they tried to fit all that story into one movie.
I agree with this. I don’t mind it being two parts. The criticism I do hold as a book reader, is leaving most book scenes out when that should’ve been the opposite considering they had two movies instead of one to fit everything in. For example: the Joanna and Katniss sequence from the book: where was that? It should’ve been in the film. Movies are still really great though.
In the book, Peta had been going under extensive de-programming, and Katnis had been there for much of it to help him remember what was real and what wasn't real. The movie left that part out for time sake, so for Peta to show up out of the blue to join the "propo" crew and be put right in with Katnis does seem super risky and out of place, but in fact he had been making tremendous progress getting back to the "real" Peta.
Gale indirectly killed Prim with those bombs he designed. Remember Gale had questionable morals towards the end, he was prepared to sacrifice innocent lives if it meant winning the war.
Fun fact: In the ending scene the children are Jennifer Lawrence's nephews. Bear, the oldest, really liked playing with Josh Hutcherson and that's what they are doing in that ending scene.
I find it so interesting that you guys were so upset about Gale. Peeta has been the clear choice in other reactions I've seen and people I know. I think it must be because you kind of connected Gale and Spartan throughout the series, pointing out things he does that remind you of Spartan, etc.
Obviously tons of comments have already explained Gale's role in the bombs that killed Prim so I won't bother, and I think that whole thing happens so fast that you really have to watch it at least one more time to understand all the nuance anyway (though you guys caught a lot of it for a first watch!).
I will say for anyone reading this whos interested, there are a few videos on yt explaining the symbolism between Peeta and Gale as 'choices' for Katniss that really help to explain and understand their characters. One I really liked was by Meredith Novaco and specifically analyzes how they represent different approaches to the rebellion for Katniss in Mockingjay. Highly recommend.
Also highly recommend the books. There's audiobooks of the whole series read by Tatianna Maslany for free on youtube and they are fantastic.
Oh wow I had no idea Tatianna Maslany narrated the audiobooks, I might have to actually check them out! (I already read the books when I was like 14-ish but it's been so long I've been wanting to give them another read)
I mean yes like everyone is saying reading the book explains a bit more why she chose Peeta over Gale but honestly is not necessary.
You can totally get why with just the movies. There’s no question as to why.
I mean honestly who would choose Gale over Peeta 😅
Yeah even people who for the most part think Liam hemsworth is cuter still choose Peeta. Gale is so irritating
The only thing that I feel you guys didn't get from the ending (and the whole series, tbf) is that Gale was the one who came up with the idea of the two-wave bombing. And Coin was the one that sent Prim in as a medic. She was knowledgeable, but too fresh to justify her being there. When Katnis realized that it was Gale's plan, and Prim was the result of it, she couldn't be with him anymore. Everything Katniss did was to keep Prim safe, and Gale was a part of her death. She couldn't be with someone who had any part of Prim's death. She doesn't hate him, but she can't love him anymore. Not like that. And I always felt that she would end up with Peeta, because Peeta was the one between the two that truly understood her trauma.
Fantastic reaction & review, guys. I wish I could have stayed a Patreon, but priorities, right? I can't wait to see your reaction to the prequel.
I loved seeing your shocked faces at the end when Katniss had to play the game and keep Coin on side to put an end to it all 🤣 it all made sense eventually!
Okay ik you are confused about the Gale part but this is from the books where its much better and very beautifully explained
Peeta and I grow back together. There are still moments when he clutches the back of a chair and hangs on until the flashbacks are over. I wake screaming from nightmares of mutts and lost children. But his arms are there to comfort me. And eventually his lips. On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would have happened anyway. That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that. So after, when he whispers, "You love me. Real or not real?" I tell him, "Real."
Beautiful excerpt. Thank you.
that was a nice read, thank you!
@@SpartanandPudgey you're welcome haha
Awe 😢❤
I love this part❤❤❤
It’s sort of weird that you both missed how Gale became what Katniss has always been against. Usually between the two of you, one of you catches these things.
That's what I was thinking 😂 they normally pick up on the tiniest bits of context but missed the whole arc of Gale
There’s alot going on in this series. I had to reread that part in the book cause I was sorta in disbelief because it all happens so fast and is so awful
They were big gale fans from the beginning bc of the “love” arc
Yeah, I think when people “fall” for a character, they become blinded to their true characteristics
50:52 this scene is particularly sad for me bcos in the books, they rlly stress how the cat only likes Prim, and hates everyone else. but after Prim dies, he sits still as Katniss freaks out and lets her pick him up and hold him, it’s like he knew Prim was gone.
Props to whoever edits these videos. The zoom ins on Pudgey's face is always legendary 😂
Suzanne Collins has stated that she regrets Finnick’s death. She has many characters, including Maggs, Haymitch, Joanne, Beetee and Finnick that are ripe for a book focused on them.
You have to understand, Katniss dismissed Gale because the bomb. If you remember, Gale was the one who came up with the idea to have a bomb go off twice to kill the people who are trying to help the wounded. She even voiced immediately it was terrible but Gale shot down her concerns.
She was seeing how bloodthirsty he was becoming during the war. And in the end, that invention that he made is used to kill her sister. Someone he swore to protect.
Katniss doesn't blame him for her death because he obviously had nothing to do with it, but she can't separate the association.
The blood on Snow's handkerchief is from the sores in his mouth from the poison he uses to kill his opponents. Finnick talked about this after the capital bombed district 13 and Katnis couldn't go on camera after freaking out when seeing the thousands of white roses.
Katniss knew she needed to vote yes so Coin would not suspect her motives. Coin believes Katniss thinks Snow ordered the parachutes, when Katniss knows it was Coin. Katniss also knows that the 2 tiered explosion was Gale's idea so he is also indirectly responsible for Prim's death. He didnt come to visit her while she was in recovery for a reason. If Prim had died any other way, he would have been there right away. He knew or at least questioned if he did accidentally kill Prim. Their philosophies have swayed to such opposite sides and too much damage has been done for Katniss and Gale to have any sort of relationship anymore.
Haymitch and Katniss are able to communicate so effectively without having to say much. He knew if she voted yes, there was a reason and he needed to back her up.
And yes, Katniss was going to take the nightlock pill after she assassinated Coin but of course Peeta was paying close attention to her and stopped her just in time 🙏🙏
Did yall forget when gale came up with the delayed explosion bomb
Gale is not a hero. He is selfish, manipulative and vengeful. He turns his back on Peeta. He's constantly putting his feelings for Katniss above her trauma.His capacity for violence increases with his need for vengeance. Despite actually being in two games, Katniss and Peeta maintained their empathy where Gale was losing his. This is just my opinion based on his character from the books and movies.
Spartan : “ is this game of thrones???’l
Pudgey: “ 😂😂😢😅😭😭😭”
The books are obviously more detailed when it comes to the relationship with Gale and how he loses himself. Gale gets a lot of hate because of how he changes and becomes almost malicious in the books towards Peeta and when it comes to war. When Katniss is cold with him while saying goodbye, it's because of all of the events leading up to the final bombing that kills Prim, but also because she knows he has lost himself. He accepts the dismissal so defeated because after all is said and done, he knows he has too and his plan ended up getting Prim killed, even if it wasn't his intention. It WAS his intention, however, to bomb the innocent people of the capital.
I really enjoy your conversations after the movies. After every Hunger Games movie, each one has been thoughtful and thought-provoking. You cover a lot of great details and discuss a lot of great points. So glad you enjoyed the movies so much! They are sad and tragic with a beautifully bittersweet realistic ending.
Can't wait for the prequel!
That scene at the end between Katniss and Primm’s cat still has me crying like a baby…and when you can hear the cat purr 😿
48:30 one of the most memorable things from the book was that Gale gave her a sheath and there was only one arrow. signifying “the last shot of the war.”
i kinda took it as katniss having to choose whether to kill coin or snow.
I’ve really grown to appreciate this series more and more over the years, it’s not perfect as nothing is, but damn it’s ageing like tine.
Incredible reactions can’t wait for the prequel!
Katniss voted yes on the Hunger Games because she knew it's the only way to get to Coin and kill her. In the books she was also only given one arrow to execute Snow, so she didn't have any other opportunity to get to Coin. I just love how eye opening the story is and will remain. Glad you enjoyed them
I find it interesting that in the 1st movie Peeta was concerned that the Capitol would change him. In the end, despite everything they did to him, he stayed true to himself and his ideals. However, Gale became changed by the Capitol. By giving in to his anger he came up with the strategy to "punish" the Capitol. In the books he was very much taken with President Coin and had become almost fanatical. It doesn't show this in the film, but Gale not only devised the trap that killed Prim, but KNEW President Coin was going to use it AND on whom. He knew that she was going to use it on the children, then the Rebels would send in medics, who they would detonate secondary devices on...and he didn't CARE. The only thing he didn't know was that Prim would be there...and the reason she was there was that President Coin DELIBERATELY sent her there to die. In the film it makes it seem like he didn't know the plan, but he did. The book has a far better interaction between President Snow and Katniss, and he is the one who warns her about who Coin really is (after all as a monster himself he could recognise the monster in her). Colonel Boggs (again not really shown in the films but in the books), warned Katniss about Coin, that Coin felt that Katniss was a bigger threat than the whole Capitol for her plan to just walk in and take power...for herself and she never intended for there to be a democracy. That is why Katniss killed her, and she was literally the only one who could, and that the people would tolerate it, perhaps even understand it I guarantee that if you ever rewatch these films, you'll see Gale in a completely different light than you had on your first watch through.
Snow truly never lies to Katnis. This movie is a great example of how someone can be truthful and evil/twisted at the same time. Well, like Thanos in MCU too.
1. That speech Finnic gave about snow and poison was 100% literal, that's why he was coughing blood. 2.Gale knew the plan about the bombs. His "I don't know" was a denial of what happened. 3. The nightlock poison was meant for katnis not snow. Why? We can only speculate
We don't need to speculate about Katniss's nightlock pill. She believed after she assassinated Coin that she would be severely punished or sentenced to death for it. She wanted to take it but Peeta knocked it out of her hand before she could.
@analeticia645 that's the reason I would have guessed too. Other people have different ideas, and apparently in the book there is a darker reason
@@analeticia645Peeta was the only one who noticed she was about to take it, he’s always looking out for her❤
In the original script this letter was supposed to be a monologue given by Plutarch Heavensby but Philip Seymour Hoffman unexpectedly died before the scene was filmed so they decided to make it a letter read by Haymich instead.
10 years later and I'm not over the fact that Finnick saved all of their asses down there and when he needed help they were upstairs drying off
sickening!
I read this in Spartan's voice @@SpartanandPudgey
In the books he already bn attacked by the mutts and was pulled back down like the movie.
The ONLY thing that saves it (sorta) for me is the way he hit that beam. It made me think he broke his back and he wouldn't have wanted to live that way. 😢
I hate the way the movies did his death. I mean I hate the fact he dies at all, but at least in the books there was nothing that any of them could do. All of the characters were struggling; Gale was badly wounded, peeta and Katniss had no weapons left and also Katniss was really struggling with her senses due to the overwhelming scent of roses that came with the mutts. Plus Finnick was literally decapitated in the book. I get the movie had to make it more tense, like him almost making it up the ladder and not saying I wanted to see him lose his head but still, hate it. If he really had to die, would have rather it been him just falling and instant death 💔
When Prim dies that's when it hits you that all of this, the whole series all the way back to the beginning, started with Katniss trying to protect Prim and it was all for nothing because Prim still dies in the end. Well, Panem is free from it's dictator at least, but Katniss' whole purpose was for naught showing how the war for freedom while good in cause still results in everyone losing in some way. I do think it is beautiful how Katniss says when asked about kids early on in the first movie I think, she says she could never see herself having kids and putting them through the hell of potentially being reaped for the games, and then after the war she ends up having two beautiful happy healthy babies, something she didn't think she would ever have.
"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the 76th Annual Hunger Games."
I like how they were respectful of Hoffman's death in this movie. I am glad they didn't try to CGI Plutarch into it. A letter seem plausible considering how much and how far everyone travels during the war.
The Gale thing is clearer in the books. Basically, he helped to design the bombs that were used to kill Prim. Earlier in the movie, he said “sometimes killing isn’t personal,” this is when Katniss saw the bombs for the first time. She doesn’t blame Gale specifically for the attack, but she can’t mentally separate him from the bombs that killed her sister. So she couldn’t be around him anymore.
Collins (who wrote the books) had no intention of a love story between Gale and Katniss. They were hunting buddies and in the books it's clear he wants more than she. In the first book/movie she tells him she will never have children. That adds poignancy to the last scene. Others explained very well why she told Gale goodbye; even the friendship is damaged at that point but I think she chose Peeta even before that. Spartan commented on that kiss when they were on the run.
In the Mockingjay book, Katniss tells us why Gale could never be the love for her. (Here follows not her words but my paraphrase) Gale was fire and she has had enough fire in her life -- starting with her father's death in the mines and ending with Prim's death. She chose the peace Effie wished for her, the warmth Peeta favored in the orange of the sunset. Gale was always -- from the first movie/book -- about the fight and he ends appropriately as the lead officer assigned to keep the peace in (previously) wealthy District 2, the District known for recruiting Snow's peacekeepers. Katniss chose home and peace with Peeta, happiness.
I think yall missed when Finnick explained that Snow is still suffering the effects of poisoning ppl when he was younger, bc he had to drink from the same cup as the ones he was poisoning.. that's why in Catching Fire, when Snow took a sip of his champagne, blood filled the cup.. he's not dying, atleast not quickly, just suffering from the past I guess u could say
And btw.. Peeta did say Rue in his speech, yall were just in your feels when he did
The second bomb that killed Prim was Gales idea, obviously he didn't know Prim would be there, but still. Such a good film and really pulled on the heart. A great set of films. Glad you enjoyed them.
“If he was smart, he would’ve said Rue”, he did guys 😭
He is smart and he did say Rue🤦🏻♀️
Katniss and Gale didn't exactly get along in Mockingjay, it was more pronounced in the book but the movie did touch on their opposing views. He hates everyone connected to the Capitol and thinks they deserve to die, even the people mopping the floors. After going into the Games and seeing death first hand, Katniss could never agree with that. That conversation was in the last movie but I don't think you covered it. I wouldn't call him bloodthirsty exactly, but he had no reservations about killing them all, he designed the bomb that killed Prim. He thought it was ok to bomb people, and when aid came, bomb them again. He feels bad because Prim died, that's all. He's too ruthless for Katniss and she is absolutely right to blame him
At 42:30 if you remember eariler about beetee making the expolosives, they added a 2nd charge to them. Another clue of coins move.
I definitely recommend rewatching these movies every now and then! I always pick up so much more whenever I rewatch them and I fall in love even moreee
You two being Gale fans until the end surely is...interesting.
I remember getting trained in the army on secondary IED’s. As a medic it was drilled into us that once an IED went off you couldn’t just run in to try and save the injured because secondary devices weren’t uncommon.
Capitol kills rebellious citizens: “that’s disgusting”
Rebels kill civilians: “rebels aren’t messing around dude! :D”
And they aren’t ripping children from their parents, you always save the children first in a military evacuation that’s this close to the combat. They are the next generation.
I'm still shocked by the fact that at District 13 there are just a few children (Prim explains there was a pandemic a few years ago in Mockingjay Part 1) and they still dare to kill Capitol children and even suggest to celebrate one more Hunger Games edition.
What kind of society did Coin want to build with only grown-up men and women? It's like she wanted to érase a whole generation.
At the time he said it, it was just the palace gaurds that were targetted. The moment the parachutes went off he called out Coin and changed his tune
Perfectly said and so timely for what is happening now in the world
This sounds like a massive bootlicker comment . It’s not ok to kill civilians in anyway but the capitol didn’t just kill “rebellious civilians” that’s laughable .
@@angelukikai i think she was hoping to thin out a whole generation that could defy the changes she wanted to make, so they would have to start over completely, and she could control and indoctrinate future generations just like the Capitol did 76 years ago.
Gale created the hummingbird trap that killed Prim. While not intentional, it was is creation.
30:55 remember, Finnick told the story in the last one about how Snow gained power by poisoning everyone around him and to avoid suspicion he would poison everybody's cups. He would give himself the antidote but the antidote only did so much, leaving sores in his mouth that did not completely heal and he kept flowers around him all the time to cover up the smell the sores in his mouth made.
Gale do get some of the blame, you see. Because it was his idea and his idea was to kill as much people as possible. He was prepared to kill everyone too. May be because he had become so full of anger and hate. I don't think he would've felt remorse if Prim didn't die. He said he was supposed to protect Katniss family and he felt sorry. He didn't say he regret his idea or anything. I just think he felt something because it was Prim and would've move on if it wasn't her. But I like to think that Gale learnt something from this and his rage reduces a little.
Gale knew about the plan or at least he suspected but didn't want to confess it, that's why Katniss made that decision. I think you guys didn't notice the signs.
9:55 Katniss already didn’t like Gale’s delayed explosion plan when he first revealed it… when it later results in the death of a loved one she can never look at him the same way again.
Gail had a roll in the bombs that killed the children and the secondary explosion that killed Prim. Gail had discussed the strategy of a second bomb to kill victims and first responders with Katniss which is how she recognized his involvement with it. Gail was intending to protect Katniss and Prim but was captured by the Capitol soldiers.
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Course he gets the blame, he created the fucking bomb
Does it show this in the movie
@@millieboon yes i it does. Not sure if its in part 1 or 2. But they talk about it in the movie.
@@morcellemorcelle618 oh nice I must of missed this was it in pt 2 ?
The strategy. Not the actual bomb.
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"The Hunger Games" also makes a lot more sense when you think back to the books themselves and when and how they were written, around 2006-2007 and published in early 2008. While the idea of a battle-to-the-death involving children may have been suggested to Suzanne Collins from the Japanese film "Battle Royale" (she's said she hadn't seen it, but even then a gladiatorial contest isn't the most original of ideas itself, so who's to say), what truly inspired her was the incredible rise in popularity of 'reality' TV, it getting increasingly violent and more and more disturbing images being cleared to air, the increasing rise of school shootings in the US, and the Middle East conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan following 9/11 being constantly televised. One of the main points of "The Hunger Games" series is how desensitized to the brutal horrors of war and death people can be and how she felt like the cheering on of the wars in the Middle East, the war profiteering that was happening, and how she felt that people were beginning to be more divided than ever and innocent children were being offered up as 'sacrifices' to the bloodthirsty 'viewers'.
The reason that "Mockingjay" in particular is so brutal is to get away from the flash and 'glamour', so to speak, of the Games and zoom in on the reality of war: that no-one is safe, nothing is sacred, and the more increasingly divided people are the easier it is to dehumanize them. Gale is meant to serve as a symbol of what happens when the oppressed become oppressors, while Coin herself was inspired by many real-world leaders who assumed power during a power vacuum in a time of conflict and found themselves unwilling to give up that power when the time came. There were some other artists that tried to make this point and were heavily censored for it (see the downfall of The Dixie Chicks or the insane backlash and death threats Madonna received for her "American Life" music video).
What I find really, really sad about "The Hunger Games" is, especially in light of what's happening around the world even now in 2024, these books/films have aged incredibly well and maintain hauntingly relevant in their quest to implore people not to ignore history, to see the inevitable results of tyranny and oppression, and above all to strive for peaceful coexistence because war does nothing but destroy.
I think a big part of why she left Gale is when she looks at him fair or not all she sees is him giving coin the idea that killed Prim and she cant see past it
You should read the books. You get a lot more detail that explains the things that you missed. Simple example are the “mutts”, which are “muttations” (mutations) created by the Capital. So much more - the symbolism of the 3-finger left-hand salute of District 12, why Snow bleeds from the mouth and why he wears roses, why Katniss chooses Peeta instead of Gale, and how she feels about the whole “love triangle” thing.
Gale was always all about the rebellion and Katniss was always all about protecting her family. And Peeta was always all about Katniss. Katniss was never in love with Gale and Gale was never in love with Katniss. It was played up a little bit in the movie but even in the movie it was clear that Gale only cares about the rebellion.
You also get a little more history in the books and a little bit more of the significance of the songs Katniss sings, and where she learned them. This will be important when you watch the prequel.
Rip Plutarch aka Philip Seymour Hoffman. Lost too young.
They didn't film all his scenes before he died, but they did a good job having his presence there for the whole movie.
@@derps0n839 yeah it was sad and touching they had Woody/Haymitch read the "letter from Plutarch" as away to finish what they needed from Philip's character. RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman, what an amazing actor gone too soon.
55:50 the story (specially in the book) is told from Katniss POV, that's why we don't get to see what happened after the bomb! She got knockout, and we wake up, with her, when everything already ended
56:44 after Katniss shot coin, she was reaching for the night lock pill to end herself, but Peeta stopped her.
Finnick was done dirty for real 😭
The reason why Katniss was not able to be with Gale was because the thinking of that kind of bomb was his idea to kill more people, the second detonation in it, he aaid that that will get more people, medics etc... so it was actually his idea/desing that killed Prim. Thinking about it, even if he didnt kill her directly she was not going to forget how Prim died, she couldnt be with Gale for that and Gale just wanted war at that point and Katniss needed peace.
If you will remember when Katniss and Gale were meeting to discuss how to dig the loyalists out (with Brienne of Tarth), and GALE suggested a double bomb to kill and then kill those responding to rescue others. Gale may have well been the pone to suggest such a tactic to President Coyne to use in the Capitol. When Katniss asks Gale if the bomb and Prim's death was "him" she was asking if he was responsible and he said he didn't know, all he knows is he failed. To me this is an admission by Gale that he is either directly or indirectly responsible for Prim's death which is why Katniss dismissed him with such coldness.
in the books it goes into detail on how well Gale is in making booby traps and creates a lot of traps which kills many people, i guess similar to the traps in the hunger games. I think Gale slowly starts becoming a peacekeeper as the war went on.
Mutt stands for mutation which means it’s anything the capitol created to use as weapons. The dogs in the first game and the tracker jackers, the monkeys in catching fire and so on
I loved the ending. I thought it was perfect for the story Suzanne Collins was telling about war and the effect it has on the world and different people/society. I do love the books more just because we're able to be inside of Katniss's head and she does say that after her and Peeta get together that she realized it would've always ended with her being with Peeta. The Gale situation isn't to complicated. Katniss was warning Gale all of Mockingjay that his way of thinking can lead to alot of innocent death which he replied if innocent people are cleaning the Capitals floors then they deserve to die or atleast he's fine with killing them to win. Gale showed Beetee the design for the bomb that killed Prim, Katniss over heard that and told him how wrong it was but Gale thought he knew better even though Katniss and Peeta being 2 years younger than Gale have been in more war like situations he wouldn't listen he was to blood thirsty for victory. In the end he had a hand in Prims death and he of course never wanted Prim to get hurt but it doesn't matter she did get hurt or killed and now Gale is dead to Katniss just like Prim is. Peeta is what she needed to survive if you ever go through the movies again I think you'll see that it was always going to be Peeta she ended up with. And in my opinion I just think Gale treated Katniss like crap if she didn't reciprocate his feeling then he felt like she did something wrong while Peeta wanted to be with her just as bad but he was there for her because he cared about her not because it hopefully led to something else. Peeta was going to give up everything for her to survive and gives her a guilt free pass to let him die and have her go home from the 2nd games and be with Gale and her family. ❤Peeta
In the books it explains the Gale situation much better. Katniss says that Gale is fire and that she has enough fire in her own soul. But Peeta is like calm refreshing water, like a cleansing spring rain that keeps fire under control. And that Peeta's calmness and softness is what she needs to balance her own fire (anger).
I love the look Katniss gives Haymich at the round table when they’re deciding to have a symbolic hunger games. He knows she has something else in mind and sides w her. And katniss took the night lock out to kill herself after she killed Coin. Not for snow, but Peeta stopped her. It breaks my heart that Philip Seymour Hoffman (Plutarch) passed away before he could finish these movies. He was an amazing actor
Actually hilarious how you both missed that Gale designed the bomb that killed Prim.
"War is politics by other means".
Gale didn't love Katniss he was merely jealous. They were NOT a romantic couple. They were hunting partners.
Gale came up with the trap that killed Prim and said he didn't care about who died and she said, "with that attitude you can send kids to the Hunger Games". Go back and watch it again. What did you expect her to do?
War, real war, is not a thing where you smile when people die.
Gale never loved her. The only one who did was Peeta.
your last line is very, very true. i think people forget. especially westerners, especially americans. war has been commodified here, turned into this mythical grand thing you cheer on from thousands of miles away. war is horrendous and so is every loss of life.
they could do with remembering that, maybe then so many countries wouldn’t hate them
Finnick's death is one of the most painful I've ever experienced in a movie. His character was so strong and honorable and loyal. I still have trouble rewatching that scene, though I know what's going to happen and clearly know he's just an actor; Finnick was a really good friend to Katniss, even more so in the books, and supported and held her up when she was falling apart. His back story was so tragic and terrible, but he had just finally found love and gotten married, only to die so horrifically. 💔
It shows what truly evil people can do though… no matter how stronger you are. It should be scary
I get so annoyed whenever they speak well of gale😅 They completely ignored ALL the red flags. The bomb was HIS idea. Prim wouldn't have died if not for his well thought out war crime.
Snow isn’t a coward lol he’s quite genius. If you have a threat you want to take out you try by any means necessary, him doing so before they have a 1v1 isn’t cowardice 😅
It's funny because Coin planned and caused Prim's death but she was never able to control Katniss so it led to her own death. Thanks for a great series, I enjoyed watching all four movies with you both!
Gale developed a tactic that is a War Crime today. He is directly responsible for Prim's death as one of the targeted medical staff.
Oh and Jackson was totally in the right to kill Katniss if she didn't follow military chain of command
You can hear Gale plan the second bomb on the plane. When Katniss said "a second bomb?". So yes, Gale technically killed Primrose.