This is the death knell of the sport’s interest. Rugby league and Big Bash did the same thing: locked away the bulk of their games behind pay TV or paid streaming services. Those with only a casual interest in the sport - the *most vital* people to engage if you want interest to grow - are not paying to see a sport they only partially care about. When these rights come up for renewal the value tanks because the casual audience watches something else.
As an NRL fan, it also doesn't help things when some teams are shown more on free to air then others. Broncos commonly getting the Friday night game for example. I have Kayo so I can watch any game I want, but as you said the majority of people, including the casual fans, won't do this.
@@johnleonard2202 To some extent, that already means they have won. See how you need Kayo to watch stuff? Once upon a time the games were all split between free-to-air. Now, they are trying to force us to pay a monthly fee for what we used to watch on free-to-air. It's so frustrating.
As for Super Rugby and the A-Leagues…. Yep nobody cares. Hurts to say that as I was at AAMI Park on Friday night and as much as I didn’t appreciate the match being won by Western United, their last minute 3-4 win would have been thrilling to anyone watching at home. But who WAS watching at home?
bro what? Kayo blocks overseas IP addresses and even has measures that detect VPNs. The only official way to stream AFL overseas is via WatchAFL, similar but way more expensive than Kayo.
Let's watch the AFL fuck it up like the NFL did with DAZN with their NFL GamePass. I travel internationally a lot and DAZN locked NFL access to the the country where you you have your DAZN subscription (Australia) - so I can't watch NFL when I travel outside Australia. DAZN raised the price and the service has declined. AFL have WatchAFL outside Australia and I can see it being locked to a single country in the future which would be ridiculous given Australians move around a lot.
Won't everyone just use a VPN to access country to country? It might not be something everyone knows right now but it's easy enough if you really want to watch it?
Been watching this unfold and not overly happy about this. I occasionally used Kayo last year for a few months to watch AFL but don’t want to do it again. I hope the AFL don’t bite off more than they can chew.
They think we're idiots. Its all about making us pay more for the majority of content. If you follow a small Victorian team you'll hardly ever see them on free to air, if at all. Its always about sucking more money from people who only want to watch their team.
They don't think we are idiots, they know we are.....people have accepted paying subscription-based payments for most things today...without so much as a whimper.
I'm sure I've seen the new 7 ads saying footy on Thursday, Friday and Sunday. If that is the case I am genuinely surprised that there has been little comment on there being no Saturday footy free to air.
Wasn't it Kerry Packer that said that Australian sports broadcasted live in Australia should be done so for free on free-to-air TV? I'm all for streaming services that can provide an ad-free service from siren to siren like Kayo and Foxtel, but I also don't mind having to see an ad or two between goals in free-to-air broadcasts if I'm unable to watch a game on a paid service. It should remain this way. People who want to watch their sport ad-free can sign up to streaming services and those who either prefer free-to-air, or don't want or can't afford a streaming service, or are simply unable to due to poor internet coverage, can watch the same event on free-to-air with the ads thrown in between breaks in play. If, for whatever reason, H&A games were regularly played overseas, would the AFL consider reducing the number of rounds per season, where teams only play each other once due to extended travel requirements? Personally, i don't think this would ever eventuate. AFL is uniquely Australian and although it has a growing popularity overseas, I really cannot see premiership points being decided on a regular base with games being played in NZ, Asia, or even the US or UK.
FTA networks are losing money because other than old dying boomers & poor people, nobody watches it & they are losing more advertisers than they are gaining. FTA stations can't afford to keep televising Sport at the same rate. Eventually it'll all go to Paid services
I wonder if the AFL will have a production company arm of the business in time and then they run the broadcasting instead if things don't work out post 2031. Sell games to the networks and perhaps they produce 1-2 games a week.
Ask yourself how the purchaser will pay for this! It won’t be by keeping all Foxtel management structures in place, bidding for Australian rights to overseas content or even keeping content at current levels. Always ask where the $s are coming from. How will they make savings of scale?
This is going to suck. I live in Europe and already have to pay a fortune to watch the NFL on DAZN. The service is horrendous. WatchAFL is an ok service and the prices are australian so its pretty inexpensive for me. DAZN will adjust prices to my country and I will probably have to pay 500 swiss francs a year (886 aus dollars) to watch both the NFL and AFL.
@theurbanyouth I find those are quite bothersome. You have to spend a long time looking for a stream that has decent quality and when you find it you cannot touch the screen again because you will be bombarded with advertisements again. I dont mind paying for a decent service like warchafl
Thank you for the information and thoughts. Could you please comment on this seasons broadcast Saturday evenings not being available on free to air… Thanks again.
If DAZN don’t want afl cause they don’t think it can get the reach or whatever ESPN should be the next partner they like our game they broadcasted it during the late 70s to 1990 it’s how Americans came to know about our game also unlike the quality problems with DAZN and kayo espn has very good streaming quality also onto of that afl should make their own streaming service that can replay all games and also have games only on that service of course can attract sponsors to which will go to the afl instead of being split between afl and said others teams can advertise their memberships as well to
ESPN are a dreadful network nowadays. Most of their NBA shows are an absolute joke. They have fired so many great analysts and journalists over the years. Most notably Bill Simmons nearly a decade ago who is now considerably bigger and far more successful than them since he established The Ringer. The only good thing they have done in an about decade is recently save inside the NBA from getting canned after the end of this season when TNT lose their NBA coverage rights.
The interesting part will be AFL/NRL success or failure without newscorp being incentivised to push those stories ahead of soccer and rugby union. The key to foxtel and AFL/NRL success has been media dominance. DAZN will have to hope that newscorp still helps.
Well AFL should to Facilitate pay for their own stadiums . Australian tax can go to the ground force needs of all the public service in regional areas .
This and the A League back on the same streaming platform. We already know how big the roundball sport is so it’s about time it gets some proper love and attention again by big media outlets
The a league will die if it’s not on the same platform as EPL and European Leagues. All my European born, Australian living football friends stopped watching it when they had to take up Optus subscriptions to continue to see EPL. Since they stopped watching it they also don’t bother going to the 1-2 live games they used to and don’t follow it all. A-League needs to be 100% on free to air or sold to same streaming service EPL is or it will it disappear in the next 10 years and we’ll be back to a substandard National league.
Who cares. The sport is far bigger than just the 'AFL'. That is just the pro at the pinnacle. It is played on parks and ovals right across the civilised parts of Australia.
The afl will never translate overseas, and the game should never sell the fans here short chasing a bs dream. The nrl dose has a chance . This is going to be a disaster. I follow a Vic team but live in Qld, so I have to pay for kayo to see any games as they only put the local sides on TV. This will be Victorians' reality soon, and when they start raising prices, it won't stop.
This is the death knell of the sport’s interest.
Rugby league and Big Bash did the same thing: locked away the bulk of their games behind pay TV or paid streaming services.
Those with only a casual interest in the sport - the *most vital* people to engage if you want interest to grow - are not paying to see a sport they only partially care about.
When these rights come up for renewal the value tanks because the casual audience watches something else.
As an NRL fan, it also doesn't help things when some teams are shown more on free to air then others. Broncos commonly getting the Friday night game for example. I have Kayo so I can watch any game I want, but as you said the majority of people, including the casual fans, won't do this.
@@johnleonard2202 To some extent, that already means they have won. See how you need Kayo to watch stuff?
Once upon a time the games were all split between free-to-air. Now, they are trying to force us to pay a monthly fee for what we used to watch on free-to-air. It's so frustrating.
It doesn't really hurt the NRL. They get huge TV ratings after all.
@ Do you live in Victoria? No one watches NRL here.
As for Super Rugby and the A-Leagues…. Yep nobody cares.
Hurts to say that as I was at AAMI Park on Friday night and as much as I didn’t appreciate the match being won by Western United, their last minute 3-4 win would have been thrilling to anyone watching at home. But who WAS watching at home?
Kayo is simply better than DAZN, I can watch AFL games while overseas, I hope the AFL doesn't fuck this up
Then that is a Big Worry then
bro what? Kayo blocks overseas IP addresses and even has measures that detect VPNs. The only official way to stream AFL overseas is via WatchAFL, similar but way more expensive than Kayo.
Of course the AFL will fuck it up
They will go for the biggest $$$
kayo doesn’t work for me overseas
@liamrogers2119 Vpn dw
Let's watch the AFL fuck it up like the NFL did with DAZN with their NFL GamePass. I travel internationally a lot and DAZN locked NFL access to the the country where you you have your DAZN subscription (Australia) - so I can't watch NFL when I travel outside Australia. DAZN raised the price and the service has declined. AFL have WatchAFL outside Australia and I can see it being locked to a single country in the future which would be ridiculous given Australians move around a lot.
Won't everyone just use a VPN to access country to country? It might not be something everyone knows right now but it's easy enough if you really want to watch it?
Been watching this unfold and not overly happy about this. I occasionally used Kayo last year for a few months to watch AFL but don’t want to do it again. I hope the AFL don’t bite off more than they can chew.
They think we're idiots. Its all about making us pay more for the majority of content. If you follow a small Victorian team you'll hardly ever see them on free to air, if at all. Its always about sucking more money from people who only want to watch their team.
They don't think we are idiots, they know we are.....people have accepted paying subscription-based payments for most things today...without so much as a whimper.
It's because FTA can't make money & they are losing money because viewership is dropping
Sport is not 'Free' it requires vast amounts of $$$ to fund
I'm sure I've seen the new 7 ads saying footy on Thursday, Friday and Sunday. If that is the case I am genuinely surprised that there has been little comment on there being no Saturday footy free to air.
Like the BBL on 7 atm. No Saturday BBL games on 7 at all only Kayo.
Wasn't it Kerry Packer that said that Australian sports broadcasted live in Australia should be done so for free on free-to-air TV?
I'm all for streaming services that can provide an ad-free service from siren to siren like Kayo and Foxtel, but I also don't mind having to see an ad or two between goals in free-to-air broadcasts if I'm unable to watch a game on a paid service.
It should remain this way. People who want to watch their sport ad-free can sign up to streaming services and those who either prefer free-to-air, or don't want or can't afford a streaming service, or are simply unable to due to poor internet coverage, can watch the same event on free-to-air with the ads thrown in between breaks in play.
If, for whatever reason, H&A games were regularly played overseas, would the AFL consider reducing the number of rounds per season, where teams only play each other once due to extended travel requirements?
Personally, i don't think this would ever eventuate. AFL is uniquely Australian and although it has a growing popularity overseas, I really cannot see premiership points being decided on a regular base with games being played in NZ, Asia, or even the US or UK.
FTA networks are losing money because other than old dying boomers & poor people, nobody watches it & they are losing more advertisers than they are gaining.
FTA stations can't afford to keep televising Sport at the same rate. Eventually it'll all go to Paid services
I wonder if the AFL will have a production company arm of the business in time and then they run the broadcasting instead if things don't work out post 2031. Sell games to the networks and perhaps they produce 1-2 games a week.
Think afl ends up launching there own app and going direct
Thanks for this. I need more information on what the heck was going on.
Ask yourself how the purchaser will pay for this! It won’t be by keeping all Foxtel management structures in place, bidding for Australian rights to overseas content or even keeping content at current levels. Always ask where the $s are coming from. How will they make savings of scale?
This is going to suck. I live in Europe and already have to pay a fortune to watch the NFL on DAZN. The service is horrendous.
WatchAFL is an ok service and the prices are australian so its pretty inexpensive for me.
DAZN will adjust prices to my country and I will probably have to pay 500 swiss francs a year (886 aus dollars) to watch both the NFL and AFL.
How have you not figured out pirate streams that are nothing? Even LeBron James watches sport that way.
@theurbanyouth I find those are quite bothersome. You have to spend a long time looking for a stream that has decent quality and when you find it you cannot touch the screen again because you will be bombarded with advertisements again.
I dont mind paying for a decent service like warchafl
Thank you for the information and thoughts. Could you please comment on this seasons broadcast Saturday evenings not being available on free to air…
Thanks again.
If DAZN don’t want afl cause they don’t think it can get the reach or whatever ESPN should be the next partner they like our game they broadcasted it during the late 70s to 1990 it’s how Americans came to know about our game also unlike the quality problems with DAZN and kayo espn has very good streaming quality also onto of that afl should make their own streaming service that can replay all games and also have games only on that service of course can attract sponsors to which will go to the afl instead of being split between afl and said others teams can advertise their memberships as well to
ESPN are a dreadful network nowadays. Most of their NBA shows are an absolute joke. They have fired so many great analysts and journalists over the years. Most notably Bill Simmons nearly a decade ago who is now considerably bigger and far more successful than them since he established The Ringer. The only good thing they have done in an about decade is recently save inside the NBA from getting canned after the end of this season when TNT lose their NBA coverage rights.
ESPN reportedly going to Disney+ with no guarantee of it being available in Australia on streaming platforms (possibly available on boxes)
The interesting part will be AFL/NRL success or failure without newscorp being incentivised to push those stories ahead of soccer and rugby union. The key to foxtel and AFL/NRL success has been media dominance. DAZN will have to hope that newscorp still helps.
How much will it cost to watch AFL on DAZN? Without this information I do not have an opinion.
Well AFL should to Facilitate pay for their own stadiums . Australian tax can go to the ground force needs of all the public service in regional areas .
@TheSportingEyes I thought that 7plus had rights to all of the games in 2025???
That Kayo do all games
7plus only do some games
7plus is for all the games channel 7 have, it just means you can watch AFL games live on the computer or phone not just on TV
You’re simply incorrect in your assumptions of ‘Foxtel’ remaining as is in any form. It will be subsumed into the foreign company.
I hope this means Foxtel get the EPL back
This and the A League back on the same streaming platform. We already know how big the roundball sport is so it’s about time it gets some proper love and attention again by big media outlets
But it may be at the expense of the NBA and NFL which apparently are going to Disney +
You’re dreaming.
The a league will die if it’s not on the same platform as EPL and European Leagues. All my European born, Australian living football friends stopped watching it when they had to take up Optus subscriptions to continue to see EPL. Since they stopped watching it they also don’t bother going to the 1-2 live games they used to and don’t follow it all. A-League needs to be 100% on free to air or sold to same streaming service EPL is or it will it disappear in the next 10 years and we’ll be back to a substandard National league.
Optus Sport sadly has the rights
I hope we don’t go the American path I wouldn’t if free to air channels shared the rights but I don’t want to pay for a lot of streaming services
Dont all Saturday games go to fox in 25 already no fta on Saturdays?
@ yeah I think channel 7 get Saturday nights game at the end of the season I think it’s basically how tv rights are for channel 9 with the NRL
i'd pay for 1 service to get everything, i'm not paying for 5 services for 5 different leagues
As an NFL and AFL fan, this is bad news. DAZN is utter garbage
Get excited to see a lot of boxing n shit
Boycott all this streaming BS and go watch at the local independent pub
That says Da-zone? Holy shit... English is dead
Hmmm 🤔
Well at least people from India and Pakistan restream dazn sports for free. This would allow me free afl viewing overseas. Nice
just got to hope it doesn't buffer too much ;)
Afl going to lose viewers quicker than the nba
I swear if the afl fucks this up
Who cares. The sport is far bigger than just the 'AFL'. That is just the pro at the pinnacle. It is played on parks and ovals right across the civilised parts of Australia.
It may also mean we won't watch AFL.
Once AFL is pay per view I will stop watching AFL
Siri Aye
Ahh well piracy exists at least
The afl will never translate overseas, and the game should never sell the fans here short chasing a bs dream. The nrl dose has a chance . This is going to be a disaster. I follow a Vic team but live in Qld, so I have to pay for kayo to see any games as they only put the local sides on TV. This will be Victorians' reality soon, and when they start raising prices, it won't stop.
Who gives a crap!
No afl leave it alone the reason we all got covid is playing overseas!!!!!!!!!!