Pretty good list except for: Sonic is insanely overrated A- at best Sheik is top ten maybe even top five Kirby is A tier at least Palutena and Samus are both C tier Link and toon link should swap Sephiroth is a super fun fighter but sadly I think he’s bottom ten
FR. It actually gave me a better idea of where every character stands on most levels of play. The 2nd one might as well apply to less than 1% of the game 😂
yeah no. ganon is not even remotely close to s4 corrin or lucina LMFAO. this rhetoric that somehow little mac, ganon and ddd are genuinely viable at top level has gotta stop. some characters just can’t do it
@@henkiestudios5117 ? k rool is a terrible character that hasn’t seen any high level success literally ever. the best k rool players are regional threats
The crazy thing is, for the most part, everyone is still viable. The bottom tiers in Ultimate would be considered mid-tier at least in most other games. It's just that some of the low tiers really struggle with some of the very high tiers. But then again, everyone struggles with Steve and Sonic...
At that’s why the game is fun, because of how balanced it is, especially if you compare it to previous titles that had a definite best character. For ultimate, the best character really just comes down to your playstyle.
This is really more of the peak of the top players tier list than an actual character tier list. Because regardless of skill level Kazuya is still broken along with Mythra/Phyrra. Meanwhile a reckless snake is just a dead Snake. But I'm happy that Snake, who was thought of as low tier, since brawl has come out in the world stage as the top tiers despite having been nerfed since then.
I’m somewhat convinced that people really just don’t know how to use Kirby. I’m not saying Kirby’s top tier, but he definitely has more options than people give him credit for. Not enough people utilize copy abilities or range attacks, and when in close range, combo strings are fairly easy with just a couple simple reads.
At some point everyone gonna have to come clean. There's no such thing as a character tier list. We have player tier lists. And when players do better or worse we just pretend it's their characters being better or worse. These characters haven't changed since Sora came out. It's the players who are changing.
The meta has changed. People figure out new things about how to play as and against characters and that’s what changes their positions on the tier list.
Player results definitely influence the tier lists, theres no doubt about it, but there are objective truths to character placements. You wouldnt rank dr mario higher than joker, for example, because joker is objectively a better character than dr mario.
Exactly ☝🏼 its both player and character. Players figure out things that push their character and thus setting the standard for that character what he/she can do. Characters themselves some times just out performs other characters even if the player is a lower level. We call that “character carrying”. So its both that are considered
@@finncallahan8994He’s obviously taking about the side-b since it’s named spindash, his down-b is called spin-charge in which you have to mash b to gain additional hitboxes, so it’s the side-b since spindash only hits/kills enemies using one hitbox
As someone who just can’t seem to avoid enjoying high tiers in this game, I seem to be one of the few who celebrates having my Main drop down a bit so as to not be considered carried
The worst character are easy to fight with but the reason why they don’t make it to A tier is there sometimes slow or they have horrible recovery thats my guess for being it on low tier
Kirby is the most powerful smash character, he can eat anything, live and get its powers. He can eat the sun and melt people, Kirby should be in S+ tier, Kirby solos
While of course the people who do the greatest with a character play a big factor, so does people's view on how far you could see that character going based off their how much someone could do with it, be it best player or worst. Even Tweek has said whenever he fought Sonix he couldn't imagine him losing against him.
Sonic and Steve are officially the most overpowered and popular characters in smash. Plus Sonic has always been my go-to fighter every time I play smash
Bayo in smash 4 was basically just easier steve, and meta knight in brawl isnt even close, he was leagues above any of the other top tiers in any smash game
@ Cool. I thought since Steve and Sonic were the top they were probably the strongest. I know they’re probably other characters who are stronger than Steve and Sonic. It was just my thought.
@@V1benot dedede is even slower. Plus the thing about ganondorf is that hes a slower, stronger captain falcon. Plus ganon is actually fun to play as. (Not me shitting on dedede this is just a preference). Even so the king of evil should not be this low of a tier yknow?
Whoever put Sonic in S+ and Terry in A- needs to be cancelled lol. Terry is a legitimate problem, and just because Sonix is good at the game, that doesn't mean Sonic is S+.
Sonic has very strong arials, is the fastest, and doesn’t really have any noticeable weaknesses besides being semi-lightweight. He’s just a little tricky to use.
@@RealBroccoliHour He also is easy to juggle because of his slow air speed his attacks generally have slow startup and endlag for a brawler and finally his spin dash and spin charge have a considerable amount of startup meaning if your opponent knows when you're going to spin they can quickly punish before it can be used.
Another factor that many people play down is the amount of mental stamina it takes to camp people out especially when you're playing with people that are really good against both in terms of player skill and character matchups the way you camp against one person may differ to the other person meaning you have to adjust your gameplan another thing with this style of play is how long can you deal with trying to avoid getting ko'd or combo off of any mistake you made.
@@M185_X41The spin dash start up is completely negligible to sonic mains skilled enough, and knowledgeable enough to know how to cancel it. It helps to even fake out the opponent, making them use a move unnecessarily, thinking they've predicted the timing.
@@Esteban-nk3nm That still doesn't change the facts that there is still startup to the move meaning an opportunity to punish before they can act out of the move you just have to choose to either punish it or not and wait until the spin dash goes through shield and they do aerial.
As an Isabelle main, I agree that she is carried by the fishing rod and is definitely not above b tier. However, I think she should at least jump up to c or low b tier because really all it takes is for a top player to main a certain character, and you would probably see those characters bump up a tier or two. I think the same case is for characters like Isabelle and Kirby
If you disagree with this list, let me know why 👇 It will help me with an upcoming video I'm working on 👁
W list
Min-Min is way too high on that list i mean i don't understand how she is that high when she is complete ass
@C318Isabelle_ huh ???
Pretty good list except for:
Sonic is insanely overrated A- at best
Sheik is top ten maybe even top five
Kirby is A tier at least
Palutena and Samus are both C tier
Link and toon link should swap
Sephiroth is a super fun fighter but sadly I think he’s bottom ten
Ganon is a tier the only downside is his recovery but he and K Rool deserve at least B
S tier stands for Sonic & Steve
@@requiem6465 fr
Fr
And Luigi (maybe just for me though)
@@GoofyGooberYe sluigi??
@@GoofyGooberYeLuigi???!!!!!!!
As a Kirby main, I say “Fuck it, we Poyo”
Indeed 🙂
dedede said 'no u'
@@HeiHei666_hk No he said “I need a monster to klobber that there KIRBY!”
Yep
yessir kirby is best character and strongest video game character
Steve chillin in s+ tier for 2 years in a row
@lethivan6964 what about sonic?
@@rjagad i mean steve is in s+ and sonic is from s to s+ but sonic still good tho
@@lethivan6964 oh Yeah, aegis got downed to s• Tier
At least Kirby went up a spot. That’s a win in any true Kirby main’s book.
Lol true
From 6th worst to 8th worst. Truly a w
@@ΧρυσηΠολιτου-ψ4ε as they say, we take those.
I say the same, true lol (please Sakurai make Kirby moveset and hitbox be like SSB64 Kirby for Smash 7 please lol
@@Brob2ndwhat Sakurai needs to do is give Kirby hammer for some moves. Nair could easily be Ultra-Giant Swing.
As a Sonic fan who doesn't play Smash Bros I approve of this tier list.
as a Sonic fan who does dabble in the Competitive scene of Smash, I am proud and simultaneously not proud; love my boy but I hate his play style
Don't get hyped.Sakarui will murder him in the next game. History repeats itself
@@Billy-butcher-fanboy_34 Sakurai is retired, if they make another game, I highly doubt he’s gonna be invloved
The issue with sonic is that he is more annoying then news going PK FIRE
As a minecraft player, yes
It's not a character tier list, it's a player tier list
Fr
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that makes more sense
Facts man, K Rool is definitely not bottom 3 (at least better than Dedede) that’s just because no one uses him besides Lukewarm
People who play based on tier lists: 🤡
People who play whatever they want regardless of an obscure, mundane list: 🗿
real, i play k rool
true i main plant
@@st1220 me too!! PLANT GANG RISE UP
@@curse5697 I’m a plant main and I’m here to say, Pirahna plant is the best in the goofiest way!
Dark Pit
Me seeing King K. Rool at the bottem tiers: Impossible
FR
He’s at best a c -
Use who you want
Ain’t no tier list gonna stop us
King Of Skill AKA Brent Will Prove That King K Rool Is Not Bottom Tier.
I could say the same for Piranha Plant
The old list is more accurate
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
FR. It actually gave me a better idea of where every character stands on most levels of play. The 2nd one might as well apply to less than 1% of the game 😂
bro no
@@modernartbluesful bro yes
ok i change my mind after taking another look at it
For the record, E tier in this game is like B tier in Smash 4. Aside from the top 4 tiers (mostly), this game is really well-balanced.
yeah no. ganon is not even remotely close to s4 corrin or lucina LMFAO. this rhetoric that somehow little mac, ganon and ddd are genuinely viable at top level has gotta stop. some characters just can’t do it
@@quie9128 okay probably closer to s4 c tier but you get my point.
btw a Japanese Little Mac just won a North America tournament
@@DoMorrMusic tarakatori just won a prelocal. that is not even remotely representative of viability
@@quie9128k rool left the chat
@@henkiestudios5117 ? k rool is a terrible character that hasn’t seen any high level success literally ever. the best k rool players are regional threats
The crazy thing is, for the most part, everyone is still viable. The bottom tiers in Ultimate would be considered mid-tier at least in most other games.
It's just that some of the low tiers really struggle with some of the very high tiers.
But then again, everyone struggles with Steve and Sonic...
mostly because of everything about steve and sonic.
At that’s why the game is fun, because of how balanced it is, especially if you compare it to previous titles that had a definite best character. For ultimate, the best character really just comes down to your playstyle.
Fr I body with my man Banjo but he is always ranked like shit in these lists. Same with mega man
Not Corrin hehehe
@@t-pizzle-ye smash is that one game that you can still catch a w with the lower characters and that's fine
Steve is horrifiyingly buffed so hard
This is really more of the peak of the top players tier list than an actual character tier list. Because regardless of skill level Kazuya is still broken along with Mythra/Phyrra. Meanwhile a reckless snake is just a dead Snake. But I'm happy that Snake, who was thought of as low tier, since brawl has come out in the world stage as the top tiers despite having been nerfed since then.
I thought snake was good in brawl
@@djk1563he doesn't know wtf he's talking about, he was mid-high then and top in this game.
Bro what? Snake has always been good in both games
You're so ignorant
@@soulbreaker625 neither of you know wtf you're talking about. Snake was top tier in Brawl and he's top tier in Ult
As a Dedede Main, *WHY DID THEY PUT MY MAN IN E TIER* 😭😭😭
At least put him in the respectful tier for *Dedede...*
*D TIER*
Why IS their an E tier?
Bro he ain't THAT bad
@@TopTierGamerManfor the especially poo poo characters
They always rank my man Banjo like shit. I body with him
I feel your pain as a Little Mac main. Dedede is my second go-to fighter after him tho.
I’m somewhat convinced that people really just don’t know how to use Kirby. I’m not saying Kirby’s top tier, but he definitely has more options than people give him credit for. Not enough people utilize copy abilities or range attacks, and when in close range, combo strings are fairly easy with just a couple simple reads.
honestly, if they just let kirby have a decent speed, he'd be a great brawler
“Let me know if your character’s in the right place”
:mains Ganon:
Yeah, he’s where he should be
"This is the official tier list."
Then I reject officiality.
At some point everyone gonna have to come clean.
There's no such thing as a character tier list. We have player tier lists. And when players do better or worse we just pretend it's their characters being better or worse.
These characters haven't changed since Sora came out. It's the players who are changing.
The meta has changed. People figure out new things about how to play as and against characters and that’s what changes their positions on the tier list.
Player results definitely influence the tier lists, theres no doubt about it, but there are objective truths to character placements. You wouldnt rank dr mario higher than joker, for example, because joker is objectively a better character than dr mario.
Exactly ☝🏼 its both player and character. Players figure out things that push their character and thus setting the standard for that character what he/she can do. Characters themselves some times just out performs other characters even if the player is a lower level. We call that “character carrying”. So its both that are considered
@@isaacnikolic5895 the players use the tools that the characters always have. they just use it at a higher proficiency.
Yeah, but for instance steve is just broken
Steves name start with S, Sonics name start with S, Smash Bros start with S, is not coincidence 👁️
As a person with Sonic and Steve mains, this is awesome.
Coming from a sonic fan I’m surprised Sonic is so high teir with half of his move set being spin dash adjacent
Spin dash really good tho
@@ruvisnorako5687 which one
@@finncallahan8994 yes.
@@ruvisnorako5687 lmaooo
@@finncallahan8994He’s obviously taking about the side-b since it’s named spindash, his down-b is called spin-charge in which you have to mash b to gain additional hitboxes, so it’s the side-b since spindash only hits/kills enemies using one hitbox
Yeah, they got my boy Sonic in the right spot. Good enough for me!
As a sonic main id say its kinda accurate but spindash kinda gets beaten by a lot of interactions
Spindash is pretty OP
Mewtwo in d teir is insane
Its the tail hitbox, every game mewtwo had a tail hitbox he was trash, and every game de didnt he was a top tier
@@whydoesthischannelexist421pretty sure he had it in sm4sh and look at HIM
Mario in A seems fitting
Being a sonic, joker, and pyra and mythra main i see this as an absolute W
Justice for my boy Mac
@@lifeslogical8895 peanut bought him up a tier
As a game and watch enthusiast (long before ultimate) it feels good to have my boy at the top where he so rightfully deserves
As a Sonic fan who uses the neutral B, I see this as a win.
Seeing mega man get moved down made me die a little on the inside
I love sonic but truthfully his #2 place feels painfully undeserved because of how pros at camping play him at high level
It's wild to watch pichu just keep getting lower and lower on these teirlists like he's good I swear
They massacred mi boy Roy so hard, he dropped from top 8 to top 19
As someone who just can’t seem to avoid enjoying high tiers in this game, I seem to be one of the few who celebrates having my Main drop down a bit so as to not be considered carried
My boys K-Rool and piranha plant were done dirty
Ye K rule should at least be b teir
happy to see Rob at S still
Glad to see my goat game and watch near the top
Having Steve at the top feels like a war crime.
He’s the best in the game by far
I mean, Snake is technically a "war criminal" and Steve is above him.
@daniele.h7697 first time?
if you are under the stage and steve just starts placing blocks then your fucked basically. which is probably why he is S+.
@@Walterhartwellwhite07is he tho. It's just Acola and steves pretty slow
Damn Sonic is giving the Giganto treatment to every character in the game (except Steve)
Using Sonic feels good in a way
Fr
I know right, it just feels right to me
@@Bekyboi501Sonic is easily the most annoying character in the game
@@henkiestudios5117 what about Min Min and Kazuya?
@@spence8507 Min min too, kazuya is really god but as long as you dont get hit by a combo starter its fine
As a dedede main I love seen my man at a new bottom. It just makes playing with him more fun
Same thing with k rool
King DeDeDe went up a spot 🎉
Sephiroth in B is a crime
As a Sonic main I am happy to see the blue blur move up I hope to see Sonic having a better move set
I will never understand sonic being so high up
Bro my boy pirhana plant needs yo go up not down 😭 🙏🏿
As a piranha plant main I’ve always found most of his attacks very op, especially the down and neutral specials.
It’s more that he has nearly non-existent combo game. Most of them are 2 hits at best.
As a kazuya main I’m still proud of my character for keeping up with
Same Brother... Allthough I am sad about it
I main Yoshi so seeing him A+ is epic. I also play Plant and De De De alot so seeing them low is quite sad :[
Glad Steve's at the top
As a kirby main they have underestimated Kirby’s power
At least Mario is in a good ranking for the tier list
I'm starting to main joker and seeing him in S is nice
I’ve heard Steve got banned
In some regiona
“Even though he’s low tier, I win with Kirby”-Haminations
So weird seeing yoshi and cloud being next to each other
Japan makes yoshi look fr crazy good
@@michaelcross7665 true Japan players are a whole different breed of people that should not be taken lightly. They are literally gamers
@@henkiestudios5117? The best right now is a Japanese player. If you mean the goat, that's a Mexican player.
People be sleeping on my boy Dr. Mario.
The real s++ character is brawl meta knight
Cope
And S4 bayonetta
melee fox, brawl metaknight, s4 bayonetta, and ultimate steve
I might not play competitively but all of my favourite characters happened to drop
Steave can play aggresive (spam magma) or play pasive (grind enchants snd build walls
As a game and watch main Im happy
The worst character are easy to fight with but the reason why they don’t make it to A tier is there sometimes slow or they have horrible recovery thats my guess for being it on low tier
As a Kirbased&Ganongod main, i can't wait for them to get to tier A on the 2025 tier list
I’m so proud of my boy Sora going from Top 31 to Top 18. Shoutouts to Kameme too, man 🥹🙌
Are you saying he went up THIRTEEN spots?
@@TheElementsAreWithMeLate comment but, yeah “Thirteen” spots. 👀
Darkness-
I’m glad at least Samus is up high
I am not she is sooo annoying to deal with
Kirby is the most powerful smash character, he can eat anything, live and get its powers. He can eat the sun and melt people, Kirby should be in S+ tier, Kirby solos
I find it amusing that of my mains(Bowser, Luigi, Ganon and Little Mac) the only one who didn't go down was the one famous for doing nothing.
Kirby =B tier as a Steve main
I could agree with that, he's not entirely garbage.
Putting King K Rool in E+ as a former main hurts my soul
As Banjo main, he should’ve been an “A” tier😪
Is this a pun or something?
As a plant main this tier list has put me into depression
My Mains: Ice Climers, Mewtwo, MegaMan and Peach
Okay( k rool main)
Real question, how is peach S tier
My Mains: Yoshi, King Dedede, Bowser Jr (Larry) and Zelda
Ganondorf enjoying his time at home :
Sonic isn’t second best. Sonix is just really good at the game. People need to realize that.
Sonic is a character that you can just hit someone then stall out the time with
It’s not just Sonix
Like he’s the best but Wrath is also insanely consistent and Peli is also extremely good in Europe
While of course the people who do the greatest with a character play a big factor, so does people's view on how far you could see that character going based off their how much someone could do with it, be it best player or worst. Even Tweek has said whenever he fought Sonix he couldn't imagine him losing against him.
Ganondorf being at the very bottom: *sad gerudo noises*
Why is the old tier list better 😂
They did my boy Plant dirty bro
Turn this upside down and you got a fun/proper skill list
Sonic and Steve are officially the most overpowered and popular characters in smash. Plus Sonic has always been my go-to fighter every time I play smash
Bayo in smash 4 was basically just easier steve, and meta knight in brawl isnt even close, he was leagues above any of the other top tiers in any smash game
@ Cool. I thought since Steve and Sonic were the top they were probably the strongest. I know they’re probably other characters who are stronger than Steve and Sonic. It was just my thought.
As a Ganon main, I begrudgingly approve this message
As a Little Mac main I reluctantly have to agree
Me using krool to win a smash tourniment:🗿
"official tier list"... Ok we're off to a bad start already
It's the closest to an official tier list that could be made
Sarcasm at a halt with zero explanation? No boy, shoot off, cause YOU'RE off to a bad start. Lmao😂
@@jaydenthezoahking8473are you a cartoon Character or a middle schooler?
My boys Sonic and Game & watch are truly in the right place but Palutena needs to be higher! (also Mewtwo rly is underrated)
King K. Rool went from bottom 9 to bottom 3...
Makes me sad.
But also Snake going to 4th best makes me happy
No way DDD is better than Krool.
Not my man Ridley still at C-😭😭
Nah I liked when joker and pyra/mythra were s+
My boy banjo will forever be top tier in my heart
Gannondorf and King Dedede aren’t that bad :(
Yes they are
@@V1benotdawg no they arent. Especially ganon he does not deserve bottom tier.
@@marmageddon8657 bro Gannon is slow, exploitable, and has a pathetic recovery, and no results, same with dedede
@@V1benot dedede is even slower. Plus the thing about ganondorf is that hes a slower, stronger captain falcon. Plus ganon is actually fun to play as. (Not me shitting on dedede this is just a preference). Even so the king of evil should not be this low of a tier yknow?
@@marmageddon8657 idj I think it's a fair placement
I casually main ganondorf, it always makes me sad to see him at the bottom because when I play with friends I'm usually pretty good
Whoever put Sonic in S+ and Terry in A- needs to be cancelled lol. Terry is a legitimate problem, and just because Sonix is good at the game, that doesn't mean Sonic is S+.
Sonic has very strong arials, is the fastest, and doesn’t really have any noticeable weaknesses besides being semi-lightweight. He’s just a little tricky to use.
@@RealBroccoliHour He also is easy to juggle because of his slow air speed his attacks generally have slow startup and endlag for a brawler and finally his spin dash and spin charge have a considerable amount of startup meaning if your opponent knows when you're going to spin they can quickly punish before it can be used.
Another factor that many people play down is the amount of mental stamina it takes to camp people out especially when you're playing with people that are really good against both in terms of player skill and character matchups the way you camp against one person may differ to the other person meaning you have to adjust your gameplan another thing with this style of play is how long can you deal with trying to avoid getting ko'd or combo off of any mistake you made.
@@M185_X41The spin dash start up is completely negligible to sonic mains skilled enough, and knowledgeable enough to know how to cancel it. It helps to even fake out the opponent, making them use a move unnecessarily, thinking they've predicted the timing.
@@Esteban-nk3nm That still doesn't change the facts that there is still startup to the move meaning an opportunity to punish before they can act out of the move you just have to choose to either punish it or not and wait until the spin dash goes through shield and they do aerial.
Im so happy Sora is being properly rated
This might actually be the worst Ssbu Tier List ever made! 😡
They got Steve in the right spot!
Might as well make a certain tier for ganon at this point
King Dedede went up, OH YEAH
Since they've added Sans, they need to add murder drones since they're both famous indie characters.
Damn I mained Bowser when I played ultimate, I maintained him from sm4sh. I remember he used to be high tier. Kazuya and steve annihilated this man
As an Isabelle main, I agree that she is carried by the fishing rod and is definitely not above b tier. However, I think she should at least jump up to c or low b tier because really all it takes is for a top player to main a certain character, and you would probably see those characters bump up a tier or two. I think the same case is for characters like Isabelle and Kirby
Ngl Ridley is a lot better than most give him credit for, he’s got a ton of potential competitively