Idea for the Recon Company: since the only generic units that have Heavy are Cataphractii, Breachers, and Leviathans, there's not actually anything stopping you taking armour for your recon company. Indeed, you can actually infiltrate Rhinos if they're the dedicated transport for an Infiltrating unit. So you could take a mechanised recon company, with most or all of your units in Rhinos, forward-deploying and pushing up. Take Predator squadrons, HSSes and Deredeos for your Heavy Support, Arcus squadrons, bikes, and speeders for your fast attack, and you've got a fast-moving, hard-hitting recon force with a surprising amount of boom while still being very thematic. This one's good for Iron Hands and/or Iron Warriors, who want to have a lot of big guns. White Scars also obviously like this one due to their speed boost. The Imperial Fists also like the Recon Company because they can teleport their Cataphractii in via Deep Strike and potentially take Proteus Explorators to make that more reliable.
The only nitpick I can add to this is that Heavy Support Squads have the Heavy sub-type, as do Javelin Land Speeders. With that said, just like with the IF deep-striking cataphractii idea, don't discount units with the sub-type that can outflank or deep strike. Destroyer Assault Squads and Javelins both make for decent units in this regard (albeit you ideally want to ensure the latter is kept at range once it's on the table).
True true. Though I just see first turn as being so less impactful when you can get access to Nightfighting on a 2+ if you need to. To counter, I suppose we'll see a lot of shooting armies designed to overcome nightfighting... the meta evolves!!!
I’m building my Scars to do Recon or Mazan Sagyr. (marines with chain bayonet bolters can be either tacticals or Recon squads) With Recon you are almost guaranteed to go first (as long as the dice gods don’t hate you). It’s also really fluffy as Scars started as the recon legion for the crusade.
I would love to do angels wrath for my dark angels, jump pack companions are solid and so are the firewing dudes. Plus it makes the thunderhawk gunship usable!
I want to do Recon heavy Thousand Sons from one of the lesser orders, the Order of the Blind. I just love armies with strong theme. Thank you for the review!
Recon Company really works well with an exclusively Corvidae list as well. Precision Strike may not come often on the units that don't normally have it, but it's damn effective when it comes into play. Plus, it's pretty thematic to include the Master of the Corvidae Cult himself, Azhek Arhiman.
@@liammorgan1413 it's even more thematic to have Amon leading them, as he leads the Order of the Blind! I am thinking Recon company painting and pinning targets, while Ahriman with tac squads and terminators eliminating the enemy.
Legion Recon would be fantastic for Thousand Sons as an Allied Detachment. Amon is a points efficient Master of the Legion to use as the HQ, can be quite monstrous in melee, and with Telepathy can be effective at pinning from the get go. Scout snipers are quite thematic to the Legion, Seekers are also quite strong at picking off enemy Librarians before the bulk of your force makes contact.
It’s a bit out there but an Iron Hands Angels of wrath army could be interesting and give the units the needed survivability. It’s also funny when your fire raptor starts eating people.
On the topic of Fortifications not being permitted in most of the generic Rites of War, a lot of it comes down to the nature of that Rite of War. Hammerfall Bunkers from the Legacy Units PDF notwithstanding, Fortifications don't suit Rites of War built around a means of mobility like Recon Company, Angels' Wrath, Sky-Hunter Phalanx, or Armoured Spearhead. Likewise, they don't suit Rites of War dependent on alternative means of battlefield insertion like Drop Pod Assault or Underworld Assault either, with nothing to say of how much emphasis these Rites of War have on means of attacking an opponent instead of defense. If anything, their value is in siege armies (be it permitted by a legion-specific Rites of War or even no Rite of War at all - that is an option), and typically are only worth it as a narrative addition to the troops and vehicles you're already bringing to the table.
I ram my world eaters exclusively as Orbital Assault in the previous (better) edition; but with how the new version of that ROW works, i’ll be using Angel’s Wrath much more.
@@blackbriargaming5483 Yup, I'm trying to envision what each unit's role would be and in what quntities to take them. I think Recon Squads would be good back field objective scorers when equipped with Nemisis Bolters as they are Line. Scouts are probably best cheap and chearful as a screening unit for the more expensive Seekers and Headhunters
@@miguelgilcasas3560 Yeah I'm not entirely sure with these guys. I want to say MkVI mostly, with headhunter killteam heads, and some extra weapons stuck onto the backpacks? Capes could be made out of greenstuff or could have come from a bunch of different sources.
@@blackbriargaming5483 Nice! Wasn’t sure if any secondary detachment has had to be an allied detachment or if there was any rules saying you could only have one rite of war army wide.
@@blackbriargaming5483 My World Eaters had a really good game against Blood Angels while I was running a Pride list. Their turn 2 assault had me ready to concede but my vets with WS 5 and 2 Wounds held long enough for my Caraphractii and Praetor to get to their objective clear the tacticals off of it and take it. In the end I lost because of war of lies but I killed a decent amount of the enemy to truly justify the title... 'Pride' of the Legion. Cheers Black Briar.
No models in plastic, no RoW for the game. And no, 40K scouts with the Aquila chest plate shoehorned into 30K don´t qualify as an option. GW needs to release proper minis in that department for it to become worthwhile.
Yeah, as I said, I want to use converted Ash Waste Nomads for my Alpha Legion scouts. Cause the 40k ones just don't get me there. More plastic for sure!
I've been playing around with an Angels Wrath list since I got the rulebooks because apparently I hate myself and want to build a bunch of fiddly resin models 🥲 Its pretty hard to get all the line units you need since the transports are just so expensive, but it is a fun exercise!
@@blackbriargaming5483 haven't fully decided between DA and SoH. Both seem to do a mix of melee and shooting pretty well, and I just really like both lore-wise, but I think I'm leaning towards SoH a little more. Traitor DA still seems like a lot of fun to think about though haha!
Idea for the Recon Company: since the only generic units that have Heavy are Cataphractii, Breachers, and Leviathans, there's not actually anything stopping you taking armour for your recon company. Indeed, you can actually infiltrate Rhinos if they're the dedicated transport for an Infiltrating unit. So you could take a mechanised recon company, with most or all of your units in Rhinos, forward-deploying and pushing up. Take Predator squadrons, HSSes and Deredeos for your Heavy Support, Arcus squadrons, bikes, and speeders for your fast attack, and you've got a fast-moving, hard-hitting recon force with a surprising amount of boom while still being very thematic. This one's good for Iron Hands and/or Iron Warriors, who want to have a lot of big guns. White Scars also obviously like this one due to their speed boost.
The Imperial Fists also like the Recon Company because they can teleport their Cataphractii in via Deep Strike and potentially take Proteus Explorators to make that more reliable.
Love it! Great idea. Put a bunch of camouflage and netting over those tanks, maybe some big antennae, and you're really cooking with gas.
@@blackbriargaming5483 A sneaky-looking Praetor and command squad in a Damocles could finish off the look.
The only nitpick I can add to this is that Heavy Support Squads have the Heavy sub-type, as do Javelin Land Speeders. With that said, just like with the IF deep-striking cataphractii idea, don't discount units with the sub-type that can outflank or deep strike. Destroyer Assault Squads and Javelins both make for decent units in this regard (albeit you ideally want to ensure the latter is kept at range once it's on the table).
Surprised to not see Scars for Recon as the Seize the Initiative buff stacks with their legion trait, but besides that everything here checks out.
True true. Though I just see first turn as being so less impactful when you can get access to Nightfighting on a 2+ if you need to. To counter, I suppose we'll see a lot of shooting armies designed to overcome nightfighting... the meta evolves!!!
I’m building my Scars to do Recon or Mazan Sagyr. (marines with chain bayonet bolters can be either tacticals or Recon squads) With Recon you are almost guaranteed to go first (as long as the dice gods don’t hate you). It’s also really fluffy as Scars started as the recon legion for the crusade.
I would love to do angels wrath for my dark angels, jump pack companions are solid and so are the firewing dudes. Plus it makes the thunderhawk gunship usable!
I want to do Recon heavy Thousand Sons from one of the lesser orders, the Order of the Blind. I just love armies with strong theme.
Thank you for the review!
Niiiiice! All that pinning will be hectic!
Recon Company really works well with an exclusively Corvidae list as well. Precision Strike may not come often on the units that don't normally have it, but it's damn effective when it comes into play. Plus, it's pretty thematic to include the Master of the Corvidae Cult himself, Azhek Arhiman.
@@liammorgan1413 it's even more thematic to have Amon leading them, as he leads the Order of the Blind! I am thinking Recon company painting and pinning targets, while Ahriman with tac squads and terminators eliminating the enemy.
Are you planning on doing a How to Build a Legion for the Night Lords?
8:00 wydm 2 inches is loads, more than enough I think
Legion Recon would be fantastic for Thousand Sons as an Allied Detachment. Amon is a points efficient Master of the Legion to use as the HQ, can be quite monstrous in melee, and with Telepathy can be effective at pinning from the get go. Scout snipers are quite thematic to the Legion, Seekers are also quite strong at picking off enemy Librarians before the bulk of your force makes contact.
Love it!
Agreed. Better vs armies that reduce leadership as well as these enemies make perils much more likely. Well said.
It’s a bit out there but an Iron Hands Angels of wrath army could be interesting and give the units the needed survivability. It’s also funny when your fire raptor starts eating people.
I think I even suggest it? Do Iron Hands Jetbikes get their defensive bonus too? Cause if so that's a huge boost as well 😅
@@blackbriargaming5483 I don’t know if cavalry get the IH bonus. It would be nice. I may have missed the IH mention.
On the topic of Fortifications not being permitted in most of the generic Rites of War, a lot of it comes down to the nature of that Rite of War. Hammerfall Bunkers from the Legacy Units PDF notwithstanding, Fortifications don't suit Rites of War built around a means of mobility like Recon Company, Angels' Wrath, Sky-Hunter Phalanx, or Armoured Spearhead. Likewise, they don't suit Rites of War dependent on alternative means of battlefield insertion like Drop Pod Assault or Underworld Assault either, with nothing to say of how much emphasis these Rites of War have on means of attacking an opponent instead of defense.
If anything, their value is in siege armies (be it permitted by a legion-specific Rites of War or even no Rite of War at all - that is an option), and typically are only worth it as a narrative addition to the troops and vehicles you're already bringing to the table.
Oh for sure, I was mostly being facetious. I'm not a huge fan of fortifications anyway. More marines is always a more interesting choice.
I ram my world eaters exclusively as Orbital Assault in the previous (better) edition; but with how the new version of that ROW works, i’ll be using Angel’s Wrath much more.
Yeah. Writing up the new Orbital RoW for the next video. It's definitely struggling in the new edition. Good pivot!
Thoughts on Scouts vs Seekers vs Recon Squads? (And maybe Headhunter Killteams too)
I think they're all good! Each has its use that is slightly different. So in a Recon RoW, grab a couple of each 😊
@@blackbriargaming5483 Yup, I'm trying to envision what each unit's role would be and in what quntities to take them.
I think Recon Squads would be good back field objective scorers when equipped with Nemisis Bolters as they are Line. Scouts are probably best cheap and chearful as a screening unit for the more expensive Seekers and Headhunters
Would love to run an emperors children to make a model for the Firebird which was Fulrgims gunship
Would be cool!!!
Do you know what parts were used for that recon marines in the presentation? They look niiiice
Which ones??
7:15 for example
@@miguelgilcasas3560 Yeah I'm not entirely sure with these guys. I want to say MkVI mostly, with headhunter killteam heads, and some extra weapons stuck onto the backpacks? Capes could be made out of greenstuff or could have come from a bunch of different sources.
When you take a storm eagle as a dedicated transport, can you put two 10 man squads in the same storm eagle?
Nnnnnope!
Death Guard next please!!!!
Not long to wait! Want to get these generic ones out, then thousand sons, THEN death guard!
Can I take a cheap Legion Recon Company as a second detachment to get the Bonus to size initiative?
Don't see why not!!
@@blackbriargaming5483 Nice! Wasn’t sure if any secondary detachment has had to be an allied detachment or if there was any rules saying you could only have one rite of war army wide.
Pride of the Legion?
Coming soon!
@@blackbriargaming5483 My World Eaters had a really good game against Blood Angels while I was running a Pride list. Their turn 2 assault had me ready to concede but my vets with WS 5 and 2 Wounds held long enough for my Caraphractii and Praetor to get to their objective clear the tacticals off of it and take it. In the end I lost because of war of lies but I killed a decent amount of the enemy to truly justify the title...
'Pride' of the Legion.
Cheers Black Briar.
@@SonOfTerra92 awesome! Yeah WS5 is HUGE now.
@@SonOfTerra92 lol..... :T
No models in plastic, no RoW for the game. And no, 40K scouts with the Aquila chest plate shoehorned into 30K don´t qualify as an option. GW needs to release proper minis in that department for it to become worthwhile.
Yeah, as I said, I want to use converted Ash Waste Nomads for my Alpha Legion scouts. Cause the 40k ones just don't get me there. More plastic for sure!
I've been playing around with an Angels Wrath list since I got the rulebooks because apparently I hate myself and want to build a bunch of fiddly resin models 🥲
Its pretty hard to get all the line units you need since the transports are just so expensive, but it is a fun exercise!
Awesome!! But yeah. Not easy to build 😅 Which Legion have you chosen?
@@blackbriargaming5483 haven't fully decided between DA and SoH. Both seem to do a mix of melee and shooting pretty well, and I just really like both lore-wise, but I think I'm leaning towards SoH a little more. Traitor DA still seems like a lot of fun to think about though haha!