Hmm can we live perfectly well on a vegan diet? It is quite possible, because everything required for the physical and spiritual life of man can be found in the vegetable kingdom. But this is not practical nor realistic because human existence isn't limited only to the spiritual. Meat is necessary when there is hard physical work to be done, or in a very cold climate, or when edible plants cannot be found. Besides, our canine teeth as well as other biological characteristics show that our digestive system has been adapted by nature to assimilate meat. Animal flesh provides all the substances we need, both for the intensive working of our organism and for maintaining a normal temperature in cold climates. What's realistic and practical is the Mediterranean diet and some vegetarian diets--e.g. pescetarian. However if one decides to abstain from meat for a short period of time in order to transcend certain emotional/psychological disturbances it is acceptable but one must beware that the good practice doesn't get distorted through wrong understanding of it or much evil will occur to body and society if what was meant to be eaten is disregarded, since evolution has prepared us to consume it since very ancient times.
@@noblefriend7789 Your arbitrary conjectures are not supported by the peer-reviewed literature. Any unsubstantiated claims or anecdotal evidences are *definitely not* convincing since we already know that it is the official position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (the largest association of nutrition professionals in the world -consisting of *over 100,000 professionals* ) that "appropriately planned vegetarian, including *vegan,* diets are *healthful,* nutritionally *adequate,* and may provide health *benefits* for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for *all stages* of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are *more* environmentally _sustainable_ than diets rich in animal products because they use _fewer natural resources_ and are associated with _much less environmental damage._ Vegetarians and *vegans* are at *reduced risk* of certain health conditions, *including* ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. _These factors_ contribute to reduction of chronic disease." This paper was peer-reviewed based on data from over 120 different studies. Feel free to verify any of the information they used in corroboration for yourself if you are skeptical, it is all provided in citation. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 Furthermore, the British Dietetic Association has officially stated that a vegan diet "supports healthy living in people of all ages’ including ‘during pregnancy and breastfeeding.’" www.bda.uk.com/resource/british-dietetic-association-confirms-well-planned-vegan-diets-can-support-healthy-living-in-people-of-all-ages.html www.vegansociety.com/sites/default/files/BDA%20and%20The%20Vegan%20Society.pdf Beyond this, the Australian Dietetic Association in it's latest nutritional guidelines likewise officially states that: "Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or *vegan* diets, are *healthy* and nutritionally _adequate._ Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during *_all stages_* of the lifecycle." www.eatforhealth.gov.au/guidelines www.eatforhealth.gov.au/sites/default/files/content/n55_australian_dietary_guidelines.pdf Finally, the Dieticians of Canada (who are also Secretariat for the International Confederation for Dietetic Associations [ICDA]) have similarly officially stated that "appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases ... This position paper reviews the current scientific data related to key nutrients for vegetarians, including protein, iron, zinc, calcium, Vitamin D, riboflavin, Vitamin B-12, Vitamin A, N-3 fatty acids, and iodine. A vegetarian, including *vegan,* diet can meet current recommendations for ALL of these nutrients ... Well-planned *vegan* and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for _all stages_ of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional _benefits,_ including _lower levels_ of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as _higher levels_ of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals. Vegetarians have been reported to have _lower_ body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as _lower_ rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show _lower_ blood cholesterol levels; _lower_ blood pressure; and _lower_ rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer ... dietetics professionals have a responsibility to support and encourage those who express an interest in consuming a vegetarian diet." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12778049/ www.dietitians.ca/About-DC.aspx Each of these are the largest scientific organizations of nutrition and diet in each of their respective countries -which _just so happen_ to be some of the most medically, scientifically, and technologically developed nations in the world! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's Right and That's Why All are Consumed-By-The-Ways-of-Abusive-Power like Power-Fantasy and Power-Villains and Power-Megacorps and Power-MegaCrimecorps and Power-MegaGodCrimecorps Says Me...
As much as I appreciate Dr Melanie Joy, I believe that she is putting the audience to too much work trying to get them to think so deeply like this over and over again. I also disagree on several fundamental aspects of her reasoning. This is not at all to be facetious, thinking is one of the most difficult tasks in the world, and mind you mere mental activity is not the same as actual thinking. That being said, the power of archetypal stories is much more puissant in its propensity to move the heart and soul with respect to a stage lecture. With an archetypal story, exceptionally deep and powerful messages can be shared in ways that they are most efficiently received and comprehended in a way that enables paradigmatic subsumption. edit clarification
Am I the only one who gets the feeling that she talks a lot but doesn't say anything? I had the same impression when I read her book. I mean, carnism is a handy word to express your opinion in certain situations. But she wrote a book around a word that can be explained in less than 5 minutes. And it seems to me powerarchy is the same story again.
Well these concepts wouldn't have the impact they need to have on people if we would just describe them in one sentence I think. But I get your point. Other reason may be that she explains everything way too easily (which is perfect, actually). I've tried to explain carnism to nonvegans and no good came out of it. Her videos on carnism, instead, have reached the heart of thousands of meat eaters, I'm sure, and it has to do with the way she explains it and the time she takes to do it. Night!
Agustin Magne Meat industry doesn’t seemed in any way harmed, so I’d challenge that assertion. I think only a tiny proportion of carnists can be shamed or guilted into veganism. And there’s also a problem that leading/prominent vegans appear to see the world in a binary way: you’re either vegan... or you’re a bad person. The expectation that people will “just switch” from being a carnist to a vegan is completely unrealistic, yet vegans give no credit to people who start by abandoning meat produced in extremely unethical ways, people who abandon red meat, white meat. Even vegetarians are seen as on the wrong side of the fence. The only way veganism can ever become the norm is by accepting the continuum from vegan to carnist and rewarding people who move in the right direction along that continuum.
Happy SpaceInvader I disagree that the black and white thinking dualistic thinking is prominent or pushed. I am constantly hearing encouragement and inclusion in most of the began population.
When discussing violent exploitation on nothing less than a holocaust-worthy scale in conjunction with a deeply seeded paradigm which propagates this unfathomable cruelty despite being fallacious and even challenged on such fallacies regularly, why would you at all expect such a matter to be so concisely recapitulated in such a terse manner? How audacious would it be to make the same comment regarding a book written about ending slavery of humans when openly society endorsed and subsumed human slavery in an integral manner? And what relevant difference are there between the two that could be presumed to justify such a callous premise?
So uhm...should we sell humans to cannibals? I am sure they'll appreciate...maybe you can ask them...be sure to not end up roasted. I am seeing the preview of the other comments...you seem interested in plant "suffering" and you compare it to animals'. Do you mow the grass? Do you step on the grass? Do you eat animals that are fed with plants? How can you be a plant activist without considering these?
Eating a dog is the same as broccoli you just don't share the same sympathetic chemical responses, I guarantee you, cauliflower knows exactly how the broccoli feels.
Except the dog has a nervous system with pain receptors and by scientific consensus among experts in a wide array of fields, a dog posses the characteristics of sentience and autonomy. Only the most disingenuous ignoramus could pretend to know nothing about pain receptors, nervous system, and brains with respect to the inherent physiological capacity to feel pain ensconced within the animal kingdom as well as the ability to experience conscious awareness of limitations and therefore suffer. Plants have been throughly scrutinized and found to have none of these aforementioned capacities in the peer-reviewed literature. fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf
@@vojtechotava1417 Let me ask you this, if we replaced all of the animals currently being farmed with humans instead, would you then consider it no problem to go support this holocaust by buying bits of their flesh from the supermarket?
@@ParadymShiftVegan Yes, I would find it most problematic, since I think human life should be far more valuable for any other human than any possible animal. I understand you find no difference because most of vegans are total nuts, but understand this: We are not fucking animals. If you say we are in terms of biology, than you have no clue what does that mean to be a human at all.
I am so thankful for this woman. Melanie, I love you!
Melanie Joy is such an inspiration!
You are such an inspiration. You make me more aware every time. ❤️
So smart 😍
Thank you!!!
If we could treat other beings with more respect and compassion, well, this would be a different planet 😀
Hmm can we live perfectly well on a vegan diet?
It is quite possible, because everything required for the physical and spiritual life of man can be found in the vegetable kingdom. But this is not practical nor realistic because human existence isn't limited only to the spiritual.
Meat is necessary when there is hard physical work to be done, or in a very cold climate, or when edible plants cannot be found. Besides, our canine teeth as well as other biological characteristics show that our digestive system has been adapted by nature to assimilate meat. Animal flesh provides all the substances we need, both for the intensive working of our organism and for maintaining a normal temperature in cold climates.
What's realistic and practical is the Mediterranean diet and some vegetarian diets--e.g. pescetarian.
However if one decides to abstain from meat for a short period of time in order to transcend certain emotional/psychological disturbances it is acceptable but one must beware that the good practice doesn't get distorted through wrong understanding of it or much evil will occur to body and society if what was meant to be eaten is disregarded, since evolution has prepared us to consume it since very ancient times.
@@noblefriend7789 Your arbitrary conjectures are not supported by the peer-reviewed literature.
Any unsubstantiated claims or anecdotal evidences are *definitely not* convincing since we already know that it is the official position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (the largest association of nutrition professionals in the world -consisting of *over 100,000 professionals* ) that "appropriately planned vegetarian, including *vegan,* diets are *healthful,* nutritionally *adequate,* and may provide health *benefits* for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for *all stages* of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are *more* environmentally _sustainable_ than diets rich in animal products because they use _fewer natural resources_ and are associated with _much less environmental damage._ Vegetarians and *vegans* are at *reduced risk* of certain health conditions, *including* ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. _These factors_ contribute to reduction of chronic disease."
This paper was peer-reviewed based on data from over 120 different studies. Feel free to verify any of the information they used in corroboration for yourself if you are skeptical, it is all provided in citation.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704
Furthermore, the British Dietetic Association has officially stated that a vegan diet "supports healthy living in people of all ages’ including ‘during pregnancy and breastfeeding.’"
www.bda.uk.com/resource/british-dietetic-association-confirms-well-planned-vegan-diets-can-support-healthy-living-in-people-of-all-ages.html
www.vegansociety.com/sites/default/files/BDA%20and%20The%20Vegan%20Society.pdf
Beyond this, the Australian Dietetic Association in it's latest nutritional guidelines likewise officially states that: "Appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or *vegan* diets, are *healthy* and nutritionally _adequate._ Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during *_all stages_* of the lifecycle."
www.eatforhealth.gov.au/guidelines
www.eatforhealth.gov.au/sites/default/files/content/n55_australian_dietary_guidelines.pdf
Finally, the Dieticians of Canada (who are also Secretariat for the International Confederation for Dietetic Associations [ICDA]) have similarly officially stated that "appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases ... This position paper reviews the current scientific data related to key nutrients for vegetarians, including protein, iron, zinc, calcium, Vitamin D, riboflavin, Vitamin B-12, Vitamin A, N-3 fatty acids, and iodine. A vegetarian, including *vegan,* diet can meet current recommendations for ALL of these nutrients ... Well-planned *vegan* and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for _all stages_ of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional _benefits,_ including _lower levels_ of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as _higher levels_ of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals. Vegetarians have been reported to have _lower_ body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as _lower_ rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show _lower_ blood cholesterol levels; _lower_ blood pressure; and _lower_ rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer ... dietetics professionals have a responsibility to support and encourage those who express an interest in consuming a vegetarian diet."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12778049/
www.dietitians.ca/About-DC.aspx
Each of these are the largest scientific organizations of nutrition and diet in each of their respective countries -which _just so happen_ to be some of the most medically, scientifically, and technologically developed nations in the world! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thank you Melanie!
That's Right and That's Why All are Consumed-By-The-Ways-of-Abusive-Power like Power-Fantasy and Power-Villains and Power-Megacorps and Power-MegaCrimecorps and Power-MegaGodCrimecorps Says Me...
As much as I appreciate Dr Melanie Joy, I believe that she is putting the audience to too much work trying to get them to think so deeply like this over and over again. I also disagree on several fundamental aspects of her reasoning. This is not at all to be facetious, thinking is one of the most difficult tasks in the world, and mind you mere mental activity is not the same as actual thinking. That being said, the power of archetypal stories is much more puissant in its propensity to move the heart and soul with respect to a stage lecture. With an archetypal story, exceptionally deep and powerful messages can be shared in ways that they are most efficiently received and comprehended in a way that enables paradigmatic subsumption.
edit clarification
Lol reality is contradictory. U can never escape it. Thats what intellect is for. Dah
“My dog was treated like a member of the family”... what did your dog eat?
Food that the dog has no conscious moral responsibility nor autonomy to choose.
@@ParadymShiftVegan That doesn’t answer the question though.
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One of the oldest dogs on the planet is vegan.
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I will go to Cartier rn and buy u a wedding ring
Am I the only one who gets the feeling that she talks a lot but doesn't say anything? I had the same impression when I read her book. I mean, carnism is a handy word to express your opinion in certain situations. But she wrote a book around a word that can be explained in less than 5 minutes. And it seems to me powerarchy is the same story again.
Well these concepts wouldn't have the impact they need to have on people if we would just describe them in one sentence I think. But I get your point.
Other reason may be that she explains everything way too easily (which is perfect, actually). I've tried to explain carnism to nonvegans and no good came out of it. Her videos on carnism, instead, have reached the heart of thousands of meat eaters, I'm sure, and it has to do with the way she explains it and the time she takes to do it.
Night!
Agustin Magne Meat industry doesn’t seemed in any way harmed, so I’d challenge that assertion. I think only a tiny proportion of carnists can be shamed or guilted into veganism. And there’s also a problem that leading/prominent vegans appear to see the world in a binary way: you’re either vegan... or you’re a bad person. The expectation that people will “just switch” from being a carnist to a vegan is completely unrealistic, yet vegans give no credit to people who start by abandoning meat produced in extremely unethical ways, people who abandon red meat, white meat. Even vegetarians are seen as on the wrong side of the fence.
The only way veganism can ever become the norm is by accepting the continuum from vegan to carnist and rewarding people who move in the right direction along that continuum.
Happy SpaceInvader I disagree that the black and white thinking dualistic thinking is prominent or pushed. I am constantly hearing encouragement and inclusion in most of the began population.
Marianne Moroney Are you? Great! Please share links to the articles and UA-cam videos of these “inclusionist vegans”.
When discussing violent exploitation on nothing less than a holocaust-worthy scale in conjunction with a deeply seeded paradigm which propagates this unfathomable cruelty despite being fallacious and even challenged on such fallacies regularly, why would you at all expect such a matter to be so concisely recapitulated in such a terse manner? How audacious would it be to make the same comment regarding a book written about ending slavery of humans when openly society endorsed and subsumed human slavery in an integral manner? And what relevant difference are there between the two that could be presumed to justify such a callous premise?
I really tried to listen to this but really all you make me want to do is by a nice Vietnamese family a whole roasted dog for dinner.
So uhm...should we sell humans to cannibals? I am sure they'll appreciate...maybe you can ask them...be sure to not end up roasted.
I am seeing the preview of the other comments...you seem interested in plant "suffering" and you compare it to animals'. Do you mow the grass?
Do you step on the grass? Do you eat animals that are fed with plants?
How can you be a plant activist without considering these?
I call B.S. You're a troll that came here to troll. You're not fooling anybody
Eating a dog is the same as broccoli you just don't share the same sympathetic chemical responses, I guarantee you, cauliflower knows exactly how the broccoli feels.
Except the dog has a nervous system with pain receptors and by scientific consensus among experts in a wide array of fields, a dog posses the characteristics of sentience and autonomy. Only the most disingenuous ignoramus could pretend to know nothing about pain receptors, nervous system, and brains with respect to the inherent physiological capacity to feel pain ensconced within the animal kingdom as well as the ability to experience conscious awareness of limitations and therefore suffer.
Plants have been throughly scrutinized and found to have none of these aforementioned capacities in the peer-reviewed literature.
fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf
@@ParadymShiftVegan I agree. But why you can not understand, for many this is not an issue?
@@vojtechotava1417 Let me ask you this, if we replaced all of the animals currently being farmed with humans instead, would you then consider it no problem to go support this holocaust by buying bits of their flesh from the supermarket?
@@ParadymShiftVegan Yes, I would find it most problematic, since I think human life should be far more valuable for any other human than any possible animal. I understand you find no difference because most of vegans are total nuts, but understand this: We are not fucking animals. If you say we are in terms of biology, than you have no clue what does that mean to be a human at all.
I eat meat. goodbye
You eat estrogen. Goodbye.