That's why it's so important to constantly scan all your movement areas. I had a feeling that AMF thought he missed C-6 or perhaps thought 15 was his turn off.
I worked a tower with a similar runway config and this type of situation happening terrified me. People first come in wanting to work tower rather than radar, only until something like this happens. As a tower you're at the mercy of pilots, often times VFR pilots with little flying experience. I regularly had small Cessnas confusing RJs for Boeings and or airbus in the pattern. I would regularly kick them out of the pattern when it got busy, but when it happens with an airline plane it's often unexpected.
What happened with Bigstripe 111? They were cleared to land runway 8, then noted at 2.5 mile final, then no more mentions. I suspect they were sent around and that part of the audio was edited out.
It didn't seem to me ATC anything wrong. I agree with the title for this video. He apologized several times. Instead of "that's okay" from the SW pilot, I felt like it would be more appropriate to thank him profusely!
I don't know how accurate the diagram is but if a plane has entered an active runway I don't think I would tell him to hold on the conflict runway. If it actually enters i think I would say expedite crossing the runway without delay because you may get run over.
Are ground signs too confusing? ATC read Charlie 6 and Charlie, and the pilot read it back - but still blew past Charlie 6 - so is the issue poor signage?
Can be safer when airports using intersecting runways to use LAHSO for landing traffic. Land and Hold Short Operations so the pilots know not to enter or cross another active runway.
The only thing wrong with this indecent is that the Metro pilot said he could make an exit but physically couldn’t. This then nearly led to a collision with an aircraft rolling. This is a good reflection of the fragility of the US system and how vulnerable it is to minor mistakes.
@@jasonkimball7617 - but he kept too much speed on, swerved a bit, realised he couldn’t make it, and then continued on the runway, apparently. Lesson learned in two parts. Don’t speak on the radio when;you’re in your landing roll. Don’t accept requests from ATC that you aren’t 100% sure you can make. This will end up being a positive lesson for this guy, lasting them their career.
AmFlight 1943 did not turn off at the designated intersection, C6. He kept going onto the active departure runway without clearance. That's why he was given a phone number to call for possible pilot deviation.
@@larrysulky7614- the metro pilots only mistake was to accept a clearance which he then missed. However, it was his runway, and getting another aircraft to depart and crossing an occupied runway is also pretty dodgy. This just shows the fragility of airport operations in the US.
@@Jedward108 -- I often hear ATC apologizing (but lightly, like "Sorry about that") for situations that were not their fault. But I'm sure he was emotional too.
@@EdOeuna -- "Fragility". I have to agree. If ATC is going to permit cross-runway operations, they'd better be absolutely sure that no one will need to cross a runway that someone is landing on or taking off from.
Hi, this is why good ground RADAR is so important (imagine the same situation in a clogged fog) - hail ATC for the lightning fast reaction.
Extremely professional pilots and controller.
I wouldn't say so. Non standard and panicky phraseologies by the controller.
That's why it's so important to constantly scan all your movement areas. I had a feeling that AMF thought he missed C-6 or perhaps thought 15 was his turn off.
I'm thinking your second guess was the case. And in this case, AMF almost stood for Adios, Mother F......
We all make mistakes. Controller was all over it thankfully.
Would be nice to have dates for these incidents.....
I worked a tower with a similar runway config and this type of situation happening terrified me. People first come in wanting to work tower rather than radar, only until something like this happens. As a tower you're at the mercy of pilots, often times VFR pilots with little flying experience. I regularly had small Cessnas confusing RJs for Boeings and or airbus in the pattern. I would regularly kick them out of the pattern when it got busy, but when it happens with an airline plane it's often unexpected.
What happened with Bigstripe 111? They were cleared to land runway 8, then noted at 2.5 mile final, then no more mentions.
I suspect they were sent around and that part of the audio was edited out.
Likely they were still allowed to land since Southwest went into the hold area off of taxiway alpha
It didn't seem to me ATC anything wrong. I agree with the title for this video. He apologized several times. Instead of "that's okay" from the SW pilot, I felt like it would be more appropriate to thank him profusely!
Well you're not the pilot who was delayed with a now increased workload. No one is happy at that point. Pilot had a great attitude and response.
@@jasonkimball7617 1943 was instructed to turn right at C6 and he went past it and nearly into the runway of the plane clear to take off.
I don't know how accurate the diagram is but if a plane has entered an active runway I don't think I would tell him to hold on the conflict runway. If it actually enters i think I would say expedite crossing the runway without delay because you may get run over.
Are ground signs too confusing? ATC read Charlie 6 and Charlie, and the pilot read it back - but still blew past Charlie 6 - so is the issue poor signage?
Not unlikely ,there will be runway entre signage at the intersection of two runways ,which he definetly ignored .
Can be safer when airports using intersecting runways to use LAHSO for landing traffic. Land and Hold Short Operations so the pilots know not to enter or cross another active runway.
I wonder how many pilots get a number to call during their career, I'm guessing a lot.
Hey! I’ve flown to and through Burbank on big stripe a few times. 👍
The only thing wrong with this indecent is that the Metro pilot said he could make an exit but physically couldn’t. This then nearly led to a collision with an aircraft rolling. This is a good reflection of the fragility of the US system and how vulnerable it is to minor mistakes.
Who said he physically couldn't?
@@jasonkimball7617 - he didn’t vacate where he said he would, so he physically couldn’t obey the r request.
@@EdOeuna No, that's not correct. He physically could but didn't, that's why tower got upset with him and that's why he apologized.
@@jasonkimball7617 - but he kept too much speed on, swerved a bit, realised he couldn’t make it, and then continued on the runway, apparently. Lesson learned in two parts. Don’t speak on the radio when;you’re in your landing roll. Don’t accept requests from ATC that you aren’t 100% sure you can make. This will end up being a positive lesson for this guy, lasting them their career.
@@EdOeuna He PHYSICALLY COULD he just fucked up and didn't. Shut up and sit down stupid one.
"Hold. Hold, hold, HOLD!" Sigh..
"Southwest cancel takeoff clearance"
"AM flight 1953- firewall throttles, proceed to crash and die."
"Southwest, clear to crash into tower, I quit!"
Non-professional here -- It's not clear to me who made the mistake.
AmFlight 1943 did not turn off at the designated intersection, C6. He kept going onto the active departure runway without clearance. That's why he was given a phone number to call for possible pilot deviation.
@@larrysulky7614- the metro pilots only mistake was to accept a clearance which he then missed. However, it was his runway, and getting another aircraft to depart and crossing an occupied runway is also pretty dodgy. This just shows the fragility of airport operations in the US.
@@larrysulky7614I understand that but why was ATC so apologetic? Maybe he was just emotional from realizing a disaster was avoided.
@@Jedward108 -- I often hear ATC apologizing (but lightly, like "Sorry about that") for situations that were not their fault. But I'm sure he was emotional too.
@@EdOeuna -- "Fragility". I have to agree. If ATC is going to permit cross-runway operations, they'd better be absolutely sure that no one will need to cross a runway that someone is landing on or taking off from.
I have no idea what I am doing in this airplane...hahah...but I am LGptq++++222...and I am stuck in the onboard toilet!!