What will Alec Baldwin face in the 'Rust’ case?
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2024
- Following the conviction and sentencing of armorer Hannah Gutierrez, ABC News contributor Brian Buckmire discusses what Alec Baldwin may face ahead of his July trial.
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'I would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.'
Alec, that is exactly what happened.
Yeah it's like... ok maybe you really did pull the hammer back and let go... that's essentially the same thing as pulling the trigger lol. And he changed his story, because before it was "the gun just spontaneously went off".
@@andrewm4744 FYI: On a single-action revolver like this, if you just pull the hammer and let it go, then the hammer will be caught at either the quarter- or half-cock position. In order for the gun to fire, one has to pull the trigger, as the trigger disengages the cock positions.
So, Baldwin pulled the trigger and cocked the hammer at the same time and then let the hammer go, discharging the firearm.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 Thanks for the info! Your last paragraph is a bit confusing though. Are you saying for the gun to go off like he said, he would have been holding the trigger down as he was pulling the hammer back, so that when he let go of the hammer it would be able to fire? (And alternatively, he could be lying and simply pulled the trigger instead of the hammer?)
@@andrewm4744 Yes. I slightly edited my prior post.
It was a single-action revolver, which requires both, cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger, to fire.
The right way to operate such a revolver is to keep the trigger finger straight and outside the trigger guard. Then you cock the hammer. Then you aim at the target. Then you put the finger on the trigger and pull it.
Baldwin had the finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger, slightly pulling it. Then he cocked the hammer, without hearing the clicking noise of the cock positions. Then he just let go of the hammer. Since he had pulled the trigger, the hammer went all the way forward, firing off that round.
At least, that’s one version of his public statements. He certainly could be lying about that.
There's absolutely no sane reason to have a real gun and real bullets on a movie set. How on Earth could appropriate safe fire arms handling be accomplished? If this young lady is a real armorer, she should have known using a real gun in that circumstance could never be made safe. Further, the director and producer are also responsible. Guns are not toys.
Real gun is fine. It's just a metal prop. Real rounds should have NEVER been anywhere near a movie set. This tragedy is 100% on the armorer.
@@ojmcclanahan689 Why use a real gun? With a gun present on set, all that's left to cause a tragedy is one bullet. Considering the potential adverse sequelae, why not break that chain of circumstance in two places: no guns AND no bullets. And if you're dead set on using a real gun, plug the barrel, grind off the firing pin, anything to disable it. It wouldn't be difficult at all. But a real, functioning gun? That's nuts! Here's the last sentence of paragraph 2 of California basic gun safety rules: "Never point a gun toward yourself or another person." Here's a link to the California Attorney General's website on gun safety: oag.ca.gov/firearms/tips#6%20rules
@@ojmcclanahan689The guy who handed over gun , who said the gun was cold ? This was a rehearsal stage?, this was a digital camera .? I used to do pre-production especially props. Hannah Guetirez knew this was a rehearsal stage she didn't care until the director told her to bring the good stuff.
@@robertotamesis1783 Where are you getting this rehearsal stage thing from? It wasn't a rehearsal stage. They were setting up a camera shot when it happened. Nobody said the the gun was hot because they probably didn't know that clueless little girl had a live round on a movie set. At the end of the day the armorer had live rounds on a movie set and got them mixed in with clay dummy rounds. That's not on anybody, but her. She did that... Have you not watched the Jensen Ackles police interview either? Watch it. It's not hearsay BS, he was actually there in the thick of it. ua-cam.com/video/H38Mbl60dIM/v-deo.html
@@ojmcclanahan689 Were they using digital cameras? I rest my case , Ever since Vic Morrow nearly lost his head , it's new procedure to bring the heavy stuff for rehearsal, a digital cameras is affordable risks. Beside Hannah knew it a was rehearsal, that's why she wasn't there when it happened, she will be there to when the directors tell to her do stuff. Hannah Guetirez has many enemies but few friends in the system . I remember watching an Indian director using 1/4 scale Bell helicopter he had to explode it mid flight we were still using 35-mn Arriflex in 1984. Could you tell that was that was an out take or a rehearsal?
So a rich dude can shoot someone say oops and get 18months... yet if i "oops" i get life or lethal injection...
Absurd. Manslaughter and murder are not the same. Had it been you instead, you would have been convicted of manslaughter just like the armorer was.
He hasn’t gotten any time yet.
Even if it was just a flash round, she would’ve been injured at that distance w/o a safety screen
He should’ve been arrested and drug tested,years ago, after his phone message to his 11yr old daughter
@@guysumpthin2974 I can't stand him but no that's ridiculous, I am the opposite of a liberal dem but her mother was not seeing to it that she respected her father, who was supporting her, she was hanging up on him. She deserved a hard spanking. Calling her a pig is nothing.
Hopefully he goes to jail like he deserves he is as arrogant as much as he is a liar
My same reaction. Why in the hell is live ammo on a freaking movie set to begin with? Cannot wrap my brain around that.
Hired cheap unqualified person to cut cost.
Ask that about Brandon Lee.
Criminally it does not make sense to charge him, however, civilly he could be found guilty as the producer for not maintaining a safe environment. But all the producers of the project should share the burden…
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Finally! A sane, rational comment.
Most reasonable
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Utter nonsense! Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 Except when it’s a film production, live rounds should NEVER be on set, because it is a MOVIE. Strictly for the purposes of filming, it is NOT a practice range, nor for self defense, nor home protection. ZERO Tolerance for live ammunition…
When Brandon Lee died in the filming of THE CROW, Hollywood mandated that an Amouror must be on set to insure the absolute safety of everyone during production. Their single purpose is firearm safety. With that in mind, there is ZERO expectation that a live round would be on set. Especially when going over how to film an effect and the execution of that action…
100% special and unique circumstances…
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@@superzero4250 There is no exception in New Mexico criminal statutes about film productions. When a crime is committed on a film set, it is still a crime. Yes, there should not have been live ammunition on the set, yet there was. A real gun was used too, despite the fact that a replica was available.
The blatant violation of the SAG AFTRA Safety Bulletin's firearm safety rules and NM state law made it possible that someone was killed with that live round. These firearm safety rules were significantly changed after Brandon Lee's death. They also state that they don't override existing law.
When it is all said and done a person is dead. An innocent beautiful woman was killed. That is heart breaking for her family. Hope they do what need be to heal.
If you pull the trigger and and the hammer the gun shoots. If you pull the hammer back and not the trigger it won't shoot. Dude pulled the trigger for sure.
Training my ass. Baldwin had no training.
Not true, THEY trained him quite well.....
@@user-fu2mi1nd5l Nah, he is too lazy for that.
Jealous losers always make sac-less comments like this. Just go back to eating your generic brand Miracle Whip sandwiches and binge-watching Hee-Haw on your Apple 3GS... and stop eating paint chips. LOLOL
he knows how to kiss for money.
@@tml184 your opinion means nothing
The armour was completely incompetent🤬
*armorer
Him not knowing there was a bullet in the gun is completely irrelevant. he still broke a huge safety rule which is never pull the trigger. If Reed gets convicted 18 months for breaking protocol, so should he. BOTH careless actions led to a person's death.
EXACTLY 100%.
I really hope you aren't always this stupid.
He broke the SAG (Screen Actors Guild) safety bulletins' #1 rule: Treat ALL guns as if they're loaded.
Depressing the hammer without engaging the trigger will not fire. Baldwins lying (per usual)
Negligence: not checking if gun was loaded (as was Baldwin's duty).
Recklessness: pointing a loaded gun at a the victim and shooting the gun.
Honestly, he's an actor and checking the gun isn't his job, although, a lot of actors do check the gun because this isn't the first time someone has died on a TV or film set and they know it. The training for actors is to, in shooting scenes, fire a bit off from the person across from you. That's one thing Michael Massee apparently didn't learn before fatally shooting Brandon Lee on the set of the Crow. But no one charged anyone in that shooting. It was deemed an accident by law enforcement. Lee's mother did file a lawsuit and a great deal was found to be wrong with how weapens were treated on that set. I feel like we need to find another way because someone on a low budget film will mess up again and someone will die. Humans make mistakes.
@fantasymeditationandsleeps5341 It was the Armorer (and I hate people who say she was inexperienced bc real bullets should never been brought on set) fault and whoever brought the real bullets on set. The crew was playing around with that gun when the film was not shooting and a real bullet got left in. Disgusting. Everyone who played with that gun is at fault. I remember I did a play and someone playing a cop got a real gun to use in the play. One of the rule was, no one could touch or hold that gun except him. He could have behind the scene let ppl touch it. He didn't. We all wanted to but he said NO and that is the way it should have been.
@@demijour1234 real bullets shouldn't be on set but they were. Guns shouldn't be played with, Jon-Erik Hexum was playin with the gun in a scene because he was bored and thought it was safe because there was only one blank in it. He didn't know that the blast from the muzzle of the gun would be enough to crack his skull and embed it in his brain. She didn't have enough sense not bring live ammo on set and she clearly is too childess to take any of this seriously was my point.
Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
The SAG AFTRA Safety Bulletin details the business practices of a movie set. The practices for firearms handling were codified after Brandon Lee's death to make sure it never happens again. It also states that firearm safety is everyone's responsibility and that the SAG AFTRA safety practices of a movie set do not override state law.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 Thank you! People who keep saying that it's not Baldwin's fault simply don't know that.
Right. I feel the police are always trying to charge a person, but the girl involved I believe does need time for this one & I believe 18 months is fair
Why do these things take a century to get resolved
cause its a Hollyood elite with political ties.. He's friends with the Clintons, c'mon man..
So many people asking why were there live rounds on set and that's exactly what Baldwin and his team want y'all to do, because it deflects blame away from him. The real question to ask is why did everyone assume there couldn't possibly be live rounds on set? Especially when we saw how negligent the armorer was with everything. Two accidental discharges! One of those was by the prop master, the one who was supposed to be Hannah's boss. We saw the video of Baldwin on the ground telling people to move out of the way of the gun, so why didn't he do it on the day of the shooting? He knew that his actions that day were creating a risk, but he did it anyway. He should be in prison too.
She meant clay modelling, right ?????
Just a horrible situation all round. I feel something is missing, something is suspicious 🤨
ya...the footage of him shooting her...she was recording it.....magicly gone.
@@kawrss31 hmmm 🤔 usually magically things do disappear 🫠 when this things happen, go figure 🤷🏼♀️ but they need to investigate the whole dam thing…from the beginning
@@kawrss31 In case of Baldwin, MAGICK indeed
Alec Baldwin obviously had no proper understanding of the Colt Single Action Army and should have been fully trained before handling the piece. The gun gives 4 distinct clicks as the hammer is pulled back. 3 from the hammer itself (safety 1st, half cock to load 2nd , and full cock 4th to fire ). 3rd click is cylinder stop which occurs between half and full cock. The gun will not fire unless the trigger is either being depressed either during or after the hammer reaches full cock position or 4th click. And trigger had to be pulled to fire. The gun has operated that way since 1873.
He lied. He did pull the trigger. FBI tested THAT GUN it functioned he pulled the trigger.
shame the other woman got sentenced for the required sacrifice from Baldwin
Baldwin did nothing wrong
i dont understand any part of your comment, what does that even mean?
It doesn't matter if he pulled the trigger. If he's pulling back the hammer and letting it go THAT'S WHAT A FUCKING TRIGGER DOES. Not that it matters. The Judge sentencing Hutchins said in his elocution that her and her alone was responsible for making the weapon unsafe. Which to me, seems like it puts any blame on Baldwin to rest. If it's the judge's professional opinion that Baldwin had nothing to do with making the weapon unsafe, then what did Baldwin do wrong? He did what he was there to do, act. I have no vested interest in any outcome. I don't care one way or another for Baldwin. But this just makes sense to me.
People clearly misunderstand what the judge said. Hanna was the only one that made the weapon unsafe. The assistant director David Halls and Alec Baldwin, both, handled the firearm in an unsafe manner.
You also clearly haven't followed this case. This judge has already denied several motions to dismiss by Baldwin, where Baldwin claims that it wasn't his fault. If anything, this sentencing shows that Baldwin will not have it easy in court.
George is leaning again - so he is off!
He aimed the gun and pulled the trigger.
This is why you don’t hire other people to tell you whats live ammo or a prop gun.
He pulled the trigger twice
“I never pulled the trigger”-video played in court-shows him pulling trigger 🤦🏼♀️
No jury will convict one of their favorite actors of the last three decades
Oh please, who on earth would call Alec Baldwin their favorite actor😅
@@gailmiler2797 Aleister Crowley
LOL, what? favorite? Three decades? Actor? LOLOL
Just like the Daybell case...both Lori and Chad are charged even if the dead brother did the deed (Alex Cox). Responsibility all the way around. It is still strange; the way he said the gun went off. Never heard of such a thing!
PRISON!!!
He's should go to jail just like the woman did. But not 18 months but he should get 15 years he killed that person.
this is the most ignorant statement ever.
No because he was not the one to check the gun. Even if he checked the gun he probably didn't know what the differences looked like between live ammo and blanks. But he should definitely have at least some penalty.
@@JustinHight-py2sw Yeah, except he does know the difference in the bullets. He said so in his police interrogation. He's been working with firearms on movie sets longer than the armorer has been alive and his dad was a firearms instructor. If he had insisted on a gun check, meaning he would be watching the armorer show him the rounds in the gun, Halyna would still be alive.
@@annmoss2 true. Plus I heard that the type of gun he used c( heard later) can't be fired by just the hammer, which some can. Meaning it has to have the trigger pulled. Which means he was goofing off pointing and pulling the trigger recklessly
The trigger was pulled by Baldwin ... there was not a ghost there... it was him that did it.
This is an clueless comment made by someone who obviously doesn't know anything about guns. You don't have to pull the trigger on a revolver for it to fire. He said he pulled the hammer back. The hammer is what hits the primer and discharges the bullet. It would have never happened if that goofy ass little girl hadn't had live rounds on a movie set and got them mixed up with the dummy rounds. It's 100% on HER.
I totally agree, Alec Baldwin is 100% innocent.
@@skandababy It's nice to see at least somebody has some common sense.
@@ojmcclanahan689 You say that you know something about guns, yet you clearly don't.
This was a single-action revolver. When you pull the hammer, it clicks at the quarter-, half- and full-cock position. If you just let the hammer go, it will rest at the position it was last cocked. It only passes those positions on the way forward when the trigger is being pulled.
Also, firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
So much for your firearms knowledge.
Baldwin Needs to Face Same as Gutierrez
Try actually reading the accounts of what happened. He did not willfully point the gun at someone when it went off, and he did not pull the trigger.
@@thelastvigil111 1) He broke the number one rule in SAG's (Screen Actors Guild) safety bulletins: Treat ALL guns as if they're loaded.
2) Guns don't go off by themselves, and his gun wasn't "malfunctioning." He had to have pulled the trigger.
I think it went off because he fiddled with the hammer. The hammer striking the round is probably all it takes. He cocked the hammer because they told him to.
But as far as Aiming, he claims they were directly showing him, literally guiding his arm, what to do with the firearm at that exact moment. He was not just waving it around at that moment or showing off like everyone probably assumes he was.
You need to at least entertain the thought of being put in a situation like that, following direct instructions, including cocking the hammer, and the gun goes off totally unexpectedly.
That punk should get 25 years hard labor and sued 150 billion dollars
who is the punk?
@@skandababyobviously the leftard baldwin the murderer
@@skandababyI believe he's referring to Alec Baldwin.
@@l.a.3479 I know, i just enjoy trolling idiots.
He did worse than pull the trigger. No one posed a talk back and let's it go.That's the same as pulling a trigger.
Hannah KNEW there was live bullets because she used to fire a gun sometimes around the perimeter of the set after everyone got done for the day.
she also allowed an 11 y o to hold a gun.
Nothing will happen to him. It forces them to acknowledge that it is not the gun that kills, but the person.
Who is "them"? Is that the same people that already convicted 2 in this mess?
If you don't pull the trigger, the hammer stays back in the half cock or full cock position. So, to start the scene, you have to pull the trigger unless you want to start out the scene with the freaking gun already cocked, which is not how anyone carries those type of guns. Baldwin is such a liar and such a dummy when it comes to guns.
Yeah sure the trigger never sticks.
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I agree with you. I would add that if the gun has a worn hammer sear it MAY not lock the hammer and allow the hammer to drop on a round (which still should have been a primerless dummy cartridge). The Crime lab certified that the gun was in good working order so, that means that he flat out pulled the trigger on the cocked weapon or was holding the trigger rearward when he was pulling the hammer back so it was never going to be caught by the sear. They should never let real guns on movie sets because there are just too many egos at play.
@@coincollector315 or the trigger just stuck as the gun was cocked.
@@coincollector315 That gun has 4 clicks, so there are 4 pieces that would all have to be broken in order for the hammer to fall onto a live round without the trigger being pulled. If those 4 pieces were broken, the gun would never stay cocked, and they would have noticed the gun was broken and not suitable for filming.
@@carrollsanders9376 That gun is a Colt 1873 replica and the notable thing about the Colt is that you get 4 clicks. One click for each letter of the word Colt. This particular replica didn't have a transfer bar safety, but it does have the 4 clicks, all of which hold the hammer back and were originally considered safeties. This is what happens when an anti-gun Hollywood actor starts talking about guns to the public, thinking he knows something about them because he has held them in movies, but really knows nothing about how the gun works.
Who puts live rounds in a movie prop? Why would live rounds even be present at a filming location... seriously, literally should be never. Malicious prosecutors 'farming-for-notoriety' by aiming for the celebrity.
It was a real firearm, capable of firing real bullets and killing people. Calling it a prop does not make it less dangerous.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 hes an actor, not a gunsmith... you act like its common practice to give actors loaded guns as props, and just hope hes had gun training and handling....
Thats like saying...the next time you get food poisoning from a restaurant...it'll be your fault for not testing the food first. Whats the point of an armorer then?
You're intentionally being stupid... stop it if you ever want to be taken seriously. If my point isn't clear, I apologize in advance, I just cannot argue with reprehensible morons...
Both the armorer and Baldwin share responsibility for the death. Baldwin was well aware of the #1 rule regarding gun safety in SAG'S (Screen Actors Guild) Safety Bulletins: Treat ALL guns as if they're loaded. He broke that rule.
@@l.a.3479 no he doesn't, thats why hes not arrested... genius.
For starters , you never point a gun at anybody unless you intend to use it . Even in a movie , camera angles can be used to give the appearance of reality . there is no excuses for culpability . guilty should be the verdict , but will not be . Why not?
I don't know think he's guilty as the actor holding the gun but he has some liability as a producer, actors are not weapon experts that's why armorers exist are give the responsibility of maintaining weapons, the fact that a real round was in the gun is 100% on the armorer and the producerd that hired the armorer
Not really. His role as a producer was limited to creative choices. Small productions give actors producers credit to sweeten the pot so they'll agree to do the project, but there are no actual producer duties. They also offered Jensen Ackles a producers credit and he turned it down.
theres no reason an actor should ever think a prop isnt a prop, zero liability. there are zero reasons why live rounds should be in a prop or even be present at a filming set. zero. if hes liable, why hire an armorer. hes an actor, not a gun nut.
@@skandababy Exactly! The people putting blame on Alec Baldwin are beyond clueless and profoundly delusional.
As an experienced actor for a long time, Baldwin is well aware of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) Safety Bulletins' #1 rule: Treat ALL guns as if they're loaded. Because he broke this rule, he shares responsibility for the death.
@@l.a.3479 LOL... whatever liar
Baldwin should have kept his mouth shut
He can't help himself. His arrogance won't allow him to keep quiet.
From my understanding, him talking to law enforcement had something to do with the fact that one of the investigators was a former Hooters girl.
Yes, most criminals self-snitch...
He pulled the trigger TWICE. For me, that’s the problem
this is the guy who threw a typewriter out a city window, killing an old woman, then sold his soul to the devil to bring her back to life and become successful.
I say both Baldwin and Trump should be in jail. Doing wrong doesn't have shit to do with what party or policies you support. Although intent can affect the final outcome, a criminal is still a criminal. BTW, NO a revolver and or many many weapons CAN discharge by partially pulling back the hammer and having it slip or letting it go.
So a gun like he had if you pull the hammer back but NOT enough to click and HOLD it's still back enough that if you let go of it as it's spring loaded it's still got enough motion to hit the charge on the bullet to fire so it don't mater if he pulled the trigger, you just need the hammer to move forward fast and it would still fire once it hits the bullet.
Batter up Alec!
Alec and Donald must get their eyebags done by the same stylist.
and so will you, unless you're broke.
He looks like he sleeps with eye googles on.
Hmm....
SODD defense, Some Other Dude Did it.
he should have just told the truth, the truth will come out in the end and Baldwin looks far worse for it. He could have just looked like a fool whom made a fatal mistake now he looks more sinister than that. He'll get a bigger sentence for that reason.
The truth is that he committed involuntary manslaughter. HE should have taken the plea deal that was offered to him.
What I don't get keeping all my years handling guns and hunter's safety and everything growing up is like yeah you never point a gun at anyone if it's unloaded even and you don't pull the trigger, but this is like a movie prop and there's not supposed to be any live ammo. How much can anybody really expect of an actor. All we see constantly see in the media our whole lives is these people just like they act in movies and they always go around in real life and basically act. If it's not pulling the trigger of a gun on a movie set while they're working filming something it's failing marriages, terrible family drama, crazy hit and run crimes and obviously much worse. Why is there even like a gun designed to shoot blanks on a movie set that can actually fire a real bullet? Even if they put some type of a block that allows gas to still escape and it's potentially hazardous for the person holding the gun, isn't that still better over all? I wouldn't want to hold something like that and pull the trigger in fear of it blowing up on me but realistically a person is more than likely to survive that more than an accidental live bullet put in the gun. This has already happened so many times in Hollywood.
Ok sure
This wasn’t Baldwin’s fault. He’s an actor, not a gun specialist. He should be able to trust the armorer, as they all did. The incompetent armorer caused this death.
Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
They both share responsibility for the death. Baldwin is well aware of the #1 rule from SAG's (Screen Actors Guild) Safety Bulletins regarding guns: Treat ALL guns as if they're loaded. He broke that rule.
He shot and killed a woman he should already have been in prison,
Lefty won't see a day in jail
I'm not a fan of Baldwin, but I don't feel like it's his fault. Was it his job to make sure the gun was safe?
Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
@charliefoxtrot5001 so was everyone on set supposed to be responsible for the job someone else was getting paid to do?
@@joshuagarrison2813 The safe handling of a firearm is not a "job". It is a legal requirement. Handling of a firearm with a willful disregard for the safety of others is considered criminal negligence. If a person dies due to that criminal negligence, then it is manslaughter.
People discuss all these extraneous movie set issues, like who's job was it, because it is entertaining, but they are irrelevant in the eye of the law. The facts of the criminal case would be the same if the shooting had happened in someone's backyard with no actors and movie set. In fact, the terms "actor" and "movie set" do not appear in any state or federal criminal law.
Person A loaded a firearm with live rounds and marked it as unloaded. Person B took that firearm without verifying its state and gave it to person C as a supposed unloaded firearm. Person C took that firearm without verifying its state, pointed it at person D, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. Person D gets shot and dies. Persons A, B and C are all criminally liable for their acts of negligently handling a firearm and its ammunition and causing the death of person D.
Person A, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Person B, David Halls, pleaded guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon. Person C, Alec Baldwin, is charged with involuntary manslaughter, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and will be found guilty.
Both Baldwin and the armorer share responsibility for the death. Baldwin because he was well aware of the #1 rule from SAG'S (Screen Actors Guild) Safety Bulletins regarding actors and guns: Treat ALL guns as if they're loaded. He completely disregarded that rule.
was the person charged for killing bruce lee?
Bruce Lee? You mean Brandon Lee. And, no, nobody was charged. Different circumstances.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 how is it any different?
@@sigma_799 You would need to read up on what actually happened and why the district attorney didn't charge Michael Massee or anyone else on the set. It wasn't a live round that killed Brandon Lee. It was a combination of an improperly made dummy round, a blank round, and negligence that killed him.
Did the negligence amount to criminal negligence, meaning was anyone on the set acting with a willful disregard for the safety of others? Prosecutors have always the discretion not to charge people with crimes, especially when proving them in court beyond a reasonable doubt becomes rather difficult.
Just because a criminal got off the hook, because proving the crime beyond reasonable doubt was difficult, doesn't mean all criminals get off the hook. None of this gets anyone off the hook for the shooting on the Rust set.
I don't see how alec could be held accountable, how was he to know the gun had real bullets in it ,even if he pulled the trigger to his knowledge the gun was safe
He is the producer was negligent in hiring and recklessness. Like driving recklessly and causing vehicular homicide as he was the driver. He had the gun in his hand and allegedly pulled the trigger. Essentially not excercising due care which results in a death, there is fault not just civilly but criminally.
@@user-er3ri6sc3j to his defence he thought the gun was safe
@@minidigger1000 In this video the legal representative explained that a third party can be responsible due to negligence civilly and criminally. He explained people behind the scenes are responsible as well as people in front of the scene. I think it means don't rely on someone else's expertise you're ultimately responsible for your own actions. I see it like adults unlawfully having sex with a minor. The minor told the adult that the minor is 18 but is not and lied. Due diligence of the adult to check and not rely on the other party.
@@user-er3ri6sc3j I hear you, legally he probably has to answer, but you can see my point also they have what they believe to be a professional looking out for them. I don't think Alec would have used that gun if he had known it had live ammo in it
@@minidigger1000 I understand that young female Gutierrez was inexperienced and sloppy and inebriated. You know this wouldn't happen in a Mark Wahlberg movie set because he had a hate incident as a young man and became a convicted felon so firearms are replicas as well as ammunition. That should be the standard counterfeit and replicas. I think that costs too much money.
He pulled the trigger.
And?
@@LarsWalker-xo2jn right nothing will happen! We know why and if you have more ( AND?) there is a reason the lady was shot. It got swept under the rug fast and now the POS Baldwin is a victim.? Lol.
@LarsWalkerAND he killed her.-xo2jn
@@gailmiler2797 not even close.
You mean like his aim?@raylamp4505
No one believes this BS said about Alec Baldwin. And it's just getting worse by the minute, the malicious slander and libel against Alec Baldwin is reprehensibly mean and unjustified... Alec deserves an apology, in person, from anyone that ever called him an actor.
Alec , how many people knew about your script and schedule , I' m still baffled? how a customized bullet was meant to pass tru two people?
I have gut feeling , but a psyche feeling the guy who gave the gun to Alec Baldwin did not test it on the spot but smiled ?, and said it's cold, that's the mistake of Alec he have should have tested it first especially it was a dry rehearsal for the cameraman select the best view.
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@@l.a.3479 fachet or sabot an arrow round , this customized bullet was meant to kill or seriously injured someone in the set , This is no doubt sabotage.
How is Alec not responsible since only he pulled the trigger, aimed, pull back the hammer then released it? He admits that he relied on only an assumption that his gun was checked. Who shoots at an innocent person, at close range, having only an assumption the rounds are safe?
If Jesus and my father assured me that no rounds were in a gun I would still refrain from firing it at anyone. Alec claims that a young girl with pink hair and a nose ring said his gun was cold which he apparently interpreted as a green light to satisfy his impulse to shoot the cinematographer. That's simply not using reasonable care while handling a firearm.
Beautifully worded 😊😊 👍👍
Like movies ?? ....Do you remember the movie " Forest Gump ' were he gets on the bus for his first day of school ?
Remember he finally sat with " Jenny " and she said,......... " are you stupid or somethin ? "
Think of me as " Jenny " when I say , " DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO ? because he never touched the trigger.
You said ,...Quote " How is Alec not responsible since only he pulled the trigger, "
Baldwin's trial starts in July.
@@ivanleelivingston4902 He pulled the trigger. The forensic testing says so. Ironically, his own statement says so too. Baldwin is just too stupid to understand that.
It’s not Baldwin fault. It’s the armorer and the first AD responsible. He’s not supposed to be trained to shoot real guns. He’s an actor being told he’s holding a prop gun. I worked in the film industry and closely with prop departments. The gun was not even supposed to be a real working gun. It’s total negligence from the person sourcing the gun and handing it to an actor. Baldwin was just doing his acting job. Whether or not he pulled the trigger, her “prop” gun went off with a real bullet. It doesn’t matter what actor was holding it. Other people are more responsible for the death before Baldwin is. He’s an annoying lib actor but he shouldn’t get jail time for it.
He wasn't just an actor, he was the producer!
So, you supposedly worked in the film industry and do not know the SAG AFTRA Safety Bulletin? Interesting! Yeah, I call BS on your post.
The SAG AFTRA Safety Bulletin details the business practices of a movie set, which were blatantly violated by a number of people on this movie set. It clearly states that firearms safety is everyone's responsibility. It also states that the SAG AFTRA safety practices of a movie set do not override state law.
It was a real firearm, capable of firing real bullets and killing people. Calling it a prop does not make it less dangerous. Baldwin knew that he had a real firearm in his hand.
Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
Had the Armorer done her job, she would be alive. Had the Assistant Director done his job, she would be alive. Had Baldwin trained properly and not let the hammer slip, or pulled or depressed the trigger while pointing at two people, she would be alive.
All three failed, and to varying degrees all three are responsible for her death. Even if we use Baldwin’s logic, and as he claims ‘she told me to point it in her direction’, she doesn’t know that it’s right at her. Per Baldwin’s own words ‘she’s looking down at the monitor’. He knows or should have known if he had trained, that she and the director are in his sights and in the path of the barrel, He’s the only one that knows that knows what he’s then about to do, drop the hammer while pointing it at them, instead of lowering the hammer while pointed in a safe direction, toward the ground.
All three bear percentages of responsibility in her death.
Why Any coart even agree to put Alec Beldwin in any trial for killing.
He is totally Innocent since he shouldn't and did not know there was any true bullet in the gun.
It is totally not his fault. And he has 000000.00000% motive on top of that.
Poor guy. He is 300% not guilty. And any trial to this man is not gustice .
In Israel he was not even standing to a trial. I do not see even 0.000000000001 % guilt in his actions.
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Poor guy a victim of bloody system.
*court, justice
This is all false.
Firearms safety is an individual legal responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, David Halls, and Alec Baldwin contributed to the death of Halyna Hutchins by being criminally negligent. They are all culpable. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and David Hall already have been convicted. Alec Baldwin is next. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
When is Baldwin's trial?
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July
They only show the latter half of what he said in that interview. The rest of that segment is available in articles, and is negligently.. or deliberately.. excluded here for no good reason.
What many of you fail to consider is how you would have reacted different had the armorer immediately owned up to her mistakes. "I was responsible for the firearms on set and how they are used, this is on me."
If she had said that, you wouldn't even be looking at Alec.
But she refused to take any responsibility, and many of you fell for it.
Also ask yourself honestly: If he wasn't a rich celebrity, would you feel the same way.
Utterly wrong! People discuss all these extraneous movie set issues, because it is entertaining, but they are irrelevant. Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The facts of the criminal case would be the same if the shooting had happened in someone's backyard with no actors and movie set.
Person A loaded a firearm with live rounds and marked it as unloaded. Person B took that firearm without verifying its state and gave it to person C as a supposed unloaded firearm. Person C took that firearm without verifying its state, pointed it at person D, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. Person D gets shot and dies. Persons A, B and C are all criminally liable for their acts of negligently handling a firearm and its ammunition and causing the death of person D.
Person A, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Person B, David Halls, pleaded guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon. Person C, Alec Baldwin, is charged with involuntary manslaughter, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and will be found guilty.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 In your example Person C pulled the trigger, but Alec apparently did not.
@@thelastvigil111 Baldwin says he did not pull the trigger, because he would be confessing to a crime otherwise.
He did say that he didn’t hear the clicking sounds the hammer makes when he cocked the hammer. Ironically, that only happens when one pulls the trigger.
The second most uttered sentence after a negligent discharge is: “The gun just went off!” That never works in court either, because guns don’t go off by themselves.
By the way, even if there was evidence for a gun malfunction, which there isn’t, Baldwin would be still criminally liable for assuming the gun wasn’t loaded, pointing the firearm at a person, and cocking the hammer. It was his actions that endangered the lives of others and caused the death.
Hmmm.. he's in trouble then
Did anyone examine his arm? When you fire that gun, there's a huge recoil. He claims there wasn't a recoil. I wonder if there was any physical evidence of recoil in his arm that day. Probably nobody thought to examine his arm. Too bad, in case there was evidence of recoil.
🤦 There is no such thing as evidence of recoil in an arm.
@@charliefoxtrot5001you can't get injured from recoil?
Yet he points the gun at people AND pulls the trigger. Bye bye "rude, selfish little piggy"
If you hire an Armorer, you trust that Armorer to make sure there are never real bullets in the gun. Why in the first place was there? Because the crew used the gun when the film was not shooting to play practice using real bullets. Right there, that was when the crime started. Everyone who used that gun for play practice had their hand in Haylna's death. That should never have happened. Do I think Alex is guilty? No, I don't because you think someone who you hired was doing their job. You have faith in that person. People say she was inexperienced. That is just giving an excuse. It does not take a rocket scientist not to bring real bullets on set. You do not need years and years of experience to know that is wrong. I think if you are going to charge people, charge everyone that played with that gun offset. I hope all of them and they know who they are, have a guilty conscious for the of rest of your lives. Also, whoever was the person that brought the real bullets on set. That person should be charged. It's like bringing drugs on set and ppl using it and someone dies. The person who brought the drugs is at fault. Who brought the real bullets??????
Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
This was a fucking accident and I see a bunch of lynch mobsters in the comments. How can you people not wrap your minds around an accident occurring? Not everything misfortunate event requires someone to be punished!
This was criminal negligence by definition! The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
Firearms safety is an individual legal responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, David Halls, and Alec Baldwin contributed to the death of Halyna Hutchins by being criminally negligent. They are all is culpable. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and David Hall already have been convicted. Alec Baldwin is next.
It was a preventable "accident," and at least 2 people--Baldwin and the armorer--were negligent. Did they intend to murder the cinematographer? No. But their disregard of gun safety rules caused her death, so it's right for them to be charged with involuntary manslaughter. (Note: This is JMO, and I'm not a lawyer.)
Life, for being a bad actor, father & person 😂
Yikes 😳
I don't think he should face any charges. It wasn't his fault
He pulled the FKN trigger. Check your oxygen levels
@@forestsnow6508 yes. But he didn't know live rounds were in the gun. So check your oxygen level
Jail time for sure.
@@tml184 why?
He pointed the gun at the victim and pulled the trigger, and then lied about it.. Several times
Alex won't go to jail. He's a democrat
I enjoy reading all the comments from so called legal experts.
HE SHOULD FACE....ZERO...HE DEPENDED ON HIS GUN HANDLER. TOTALLY. LEAVE MR. BALDWIN ALONE. HE IS THE ONE WITH THE $$$$ SO THAT IS WHAT IS BEHIND IT.
Other people should go to jail. Alex should be let off for the simple fact you hire people to handle it. He believed that gun was safe in all manners.
and... it's a prop... from his perspective it was a prop, not a gun.
@@skandababy Wrong! It was a real firearm, capable of firing real bullets and killing people. Calling it a prop does not make it less dangerous. Oh, and Baldwin knew it was a real firearm.
Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 its a prop, hes an actor...you live in OJ Land
@@skandababy It was a real firearm, capable of firing real bullets and killing people. Calling it a prop does not make it less dangerous. Being ignorant of the law doesn’t absolve someone from being criminally liable.
Alec is awesome actor
This is set up I believe
When did Alec get promoted to actor?
nothing, because he is a liberal hollyweirdo.I hope I will be wrong.
congrats! you are wrong... he was never a weirdo.
@@skandababy you should look at his history . his outbursts, tempers and flare ups. His father and daughter fights. I was never wrong.
@@Toldyouso0210 LOL WOW, calm down Baby Huey, why so triggered about Alec... So, you say outbursts and children make him a weirdo? Seriously? That makes him human, you psycho.
Plus, what kind of a person sits around, seething about the personal life of celebrities, something that isn't even any of your business... instead of his acting? A WEIRDO, that's who,
That makes you wrong at least TWICE... Mr. "i was never wrong" How about un-fkng yourself, and join the human race... ok Champ? Alec isn't the problem... but you certainly are. 🤣