dont forget, the reason the demons hate Dante and his family so much is because of the "betrayel" of Sparda, who turned against his demon kind to save humanity from Mundus and the Demon world
Makes me think: If he conquered the Underworld with those who wanted to follow him and killed Mundus instead of sealing him, he would've made much less damage in the human world, but then we would never have Dante and Vergil.
This was an absolutely phenomenal video!! It shows just how instrumental Dante's Divine Comedy is to the writing of Devil May Cry. I found the item and weapon parallels of DMC1 to be the most fascinating of all (Alastor, the Melancholy Soul, Pride of the Lion, and so many others that you shed light on). This video really elevated the thematic/allegorical storytelling for me!!
The melancholy soul about fallen angels fighting for themselves is pretty good deep lore for Vergil, as Vergil thirst for power not for anything but himself especially in dmc 3, while Dante accepts power when he decides to, not for himself but to protect others
Maaaan, this video is extraordinary. It was clear that DMC used Divine Comedy themes to a certain extent in their structure, but I never thought they used it so deeply, especially with the role of the female protagonists in guiding our hero (Dante) and other concepts. I enjoyed a lot this analysis :D !
As an Italian who loves Dante, I can only say *bravissima* . You've done your research on our greatest poet (we literally consider him the Father of our language) astoundingly well. You're the first person I've seen who made the connection between the heroines of the three first chapters with the Sainted Women who intercede to God to allow Dante's journey through the afterlife. I spotted a few things that are however wrong/not quite right: - Dante's first encounter with Beatrice was when he was nine, not twelve. At least that's what he says, because the age he mentions might be allegorical (he is the anti-Tolkien, his whole poetic work is allegories) since nine is three times three and three is the number of the Trinity. Further hints that this might be the case is that their second encounter is when Dante is 18, which is nine times two - Gothic churches were popular in medieval Europe, but not in Italy. In fact we call them "gothic" because a Renaissance Italian painter and historiographer, Giorgio Vasari, referred to them with that adjective but with a condescending tone. It was a nicer way of calling them foreign-like. The developers might have still be referencing to this style of architecture, but it wasn't popular in Italy. - Italians don't call black angels "nero angelo" but "angeli neri". We usually put the adjective after the noun. Still, real good. You got a subscriber.
The idea of Blake's poem is union of the world, while Dante's poem is division of the world is like the swords yamato and rebellion. Yamato divides the being into two while rebellion unites the two.
I'd say rebellion is the sword that rebels against the wrong doing and finds the right thing to do. Sparda gave Vergil yamato because it required power and perfection but at the cost of going crazy and Dante was given the rebellion because it was a brute force to the wrong doing and because Sparda knew Vergil would become crazy because of Yamato. Since yamato makes a human crazy, Sparda wasnt like that whereas vergil was half human so that part got corrupted and this is why vergil rejects his humanity. Dante, on the other hand, accepted his soul and he rebels against Vergil's seek power. And because he was doing the right thing, vergil lost.
This video just makes me want dmc6 more. If this idea is taken as true then we are taking a different writer view on the world. Which will be interesting to see a dmc where that take more inspiration from William Blake.
I was thinking when you said Trish was originally going to be called Beatrice. What if she is but rather than her full name, she goes by Trice and the name got mixed up in translation for a more phonetic version with Trish? I'm also curious of whether Blake can be cross referenced with DMC4's ideas and storyline.
You forgot to mention that in DMC3, Vergil was worried that the portal to the human world was closing, and in case, this would lead to both of them being trapped in the demon world. In the end, Vergil decides to stay in the demon world, rejecting dante's attempt to save him, because he would slow him down, he only wish to stay with his amulet, claiming that his amulet belongs to him. The end of DMC3 is tragic because Vergil search for power was because he couldnt save his mother and he saw himself as weak, he blamed his human side, that's why he was in search for power so much, to protect himself and the ones he cares ("Might controls everything and without strengh you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself"). Also, in DMC1 Vergil was actually defeated by Mundus and he was corrupted. Still, he was the most honorable fighter in the game, even Dante recognizes that ("A man with guts and honor, i like that, but its too shame you serve Mundus"). Nelo Angelo never strikes you in the back. I think their rivarly in DMC3 was perfect, because Vergil never truly hated Dante, Dante seemed to hate him way more in the beggining of the game. Vergil only wanted to gain more power and his brother was in his way, but i never truly saw that he hated Dante, only was his opponent.
You know, the whole theme of division and union makes me think of the title itself of the franchise, is common for Dante to believe that devils never cry because they're are not emotional beings like humans, they just seem power, however as we can see throughout various occasions in the games and the anime, even the devil may cry, maybe they're not so different from humans
Great video. I already loved the DMC series, and now I have greater appreciation for its depth and parallels to the material its inspired by. Never knew how much the games took directly from Dante and Blake, but in retrospect it seems obvious!
inthe novel of (before devil may cry 3) actually dante and vergil encountered one of seven deadly sins..and one of seven deadly sins are given authority by vergil to had a power to naming them self correspond to each of deadly sins..
Who’s ready for DMC6 about Paradiso? Trish can be a focal character for the first time since DMC1 as Dante and Vergil journey out of Hell to confront Mundus for the final time.
An amazing analysis, but also surprised me in a really weird way. It made me realize that a lot of thought went in to the DMC1 items that are essentially just used as keys to open doors. I know that’s a weird takeaway but like it really does show you learn something new everyday.
This has been a fascinating video for me. I recently played DMC1 again and felt like the items needed to progress through the game were lacking in some ways with what they were, how you got some of them and how they functioned. It all felt a bit random, so it's cool to learn that they actually have a thematic throughline.
19:23 Surely Leviathan is more fitting with Gluttony since, well y'know it eats you. Same could be said for Doppelganger right? An enemy that literally takes your appearance sounds a lot more like Envy to me. I could be wrong though, idk. These are kinda just surface level observations from me anyway.
Thanks to all this Italian inspiration, I'd easily call Devil May Cry as Divine Comedy, Family Drama. Oh god, my DMC5 meme Super Deadweight 64 has ascended. And for something like a sixth DMC entry, Nero and Nico would get help from Lucia to find Dante and Vergil, since she is familiar with her former comrade, including his association with Hell.
Loved this one! I will go and watch the other DMC videos now, this is probably my second favorit series on your channel - awesome work! Can we please get a book for DMC? I would buy them all. ❤️❤️❤️
See i like the story of Devil May Cry, but every attempt to actually play the games just never works out, i'm even having fun so no idea why i can never bring myself to play to completion.
In the game, it is Nelo Angelo, but this is actually a mistranslation! It was meant to be Nero, but r and l are really similar and often mistranslated from Japanese.
Mistranslation, Japan uses the same character for L and R and the translators likely translated it as Nelo even if it was meant to be Nero (literally black, for black angel)
He isn't asexual. He has ''girlfriends'', he likes the ladies but he doesn’t have any significant relationship (because trauma* and being more focused on the job/hunting demons) *Read the novels (specially ''Devil May Cry: Volume 1'') and you will understand.
As a religious studies alum and former christian college attendee, I can affirm that they really, truly did not have a solid idea of what "hell" looked like, only that it existed, it sucked, and what kinds of things happened. The full geography, layout, and heavy detail were added after Dante.
@@thegamingmuse Dante doesn't have holy orders, he's not a saint either. how exactly did he make authoritative statements on hell? that's not how the magisterium works lol.
He had nothing to do with it - he wrote a work of fiction which had incredibly detailed maps of hell, which were later adopted by church doctrine specifically because they had no maps themselves.
Muse, I love the video but I do have one request for the future: Could you please stop saying, inferring or implying Jesus is a myth? That view is not taken seriously by credible historians.
I don't think that I did? If I was implying something was a myth, it was more in relation to the belief that the cup was actually something that existed at the time of jesus, rather than a story that developed later.
dont forget, the reason the demons hate Dante and his family so much is because of the "betrayel" of Sparda, who turned against his demon kind to save humanity from Mundus and the Demon world
Makes me think: If he conquered the Underworld with those who wanted to follow him and killed Mundus instead of sealing him, he would've made much less damage in the human world, but then we would never have Dante and Vergil.
You could say sparda fought so devils may cry
This was an absolutely phenomenal video!! It shows just how instrumental Dante's Divine Comedy is to the writing of Devil May Cry. I found the item and weapon parallels of DMC1 to be the most fascinating of all (Alastor, the Melancholy Soul, Pride of the Lion, and so many others that you shed light on). This video really elevated the thematic/allegorical storytelling for me!!
Wait, Light?
Is this why Vergil's theme is called Bury The Light?
Light could mean burying the right way and accepting the darkest light because of pleasure, arrogance and power.
The melancholy soul about fallen angels fighting for themselves is pretty good deep lore for Vergil, as Vergil thirst for power not for anything but himself especially in dmc 3, while Dante accepts power when he decides to, not for himself but to protect others
Maaaan, this video is extraordinary. It was clear that DMC used Divine Comedy themes to a certain extent in their structure, but I never thought they used it so deeply, especially with the role of the female protagonists in guiding our hero (Dante) and other concepts. I enjoyed a lot this analysis :D !
As an Italian who loves Dante, I can only say *bravissima* . You've done your research on our greatest poet (we literally consider him the Father of our language) astoundingly well. You're the first person I've seen who made the connection between the heroines of the three first chapters with the Sainted Women who intercede to God to allow Dante's journey through the afterlife.
I spotted a few things that are however wrong/not quite right:
- Dante's first encounter with Beatrice was when he was nine, not twelve. At least that's what he says, because the age he mentions might be allegorical (he is the anti-Tolkien, his whole poetic work is allegories) since nine is three times three and three is the number of the Trinity. Further hints that this might be the case is that their second encounter is when Dante is 18, which is nine times two
- Gothic churches were popular in medieval Europe, but not in Italy. In fact we call them "gothic" because a Renaissance Italian painter and historiographer, Giorgio Vasari, referred to them with that adjective but with a condescending tone. It was a nicer way of calling them foreign-like. The developers might have still be referencing to this style of architecture, but it wasn't popular in Italy.
- Italians don't call black angels "nero angelo" but "angeli neri". We usually put the adjective after the noun.
Still, real good. You got a subscriber.
The idea of Blake's poem is union of the world, while Dante's poem is division of the world is like the swords yamato and rebellion. Yamato divides the being into two while rebellion unites the two.
I'd say rebellion is the sword that rebels against the wrong doing and finds the right thing to do. Sparda gave Vergil yamato because it required power and perfection but at the cost of going crazy and Dante was given the rebellion because it was a brute force to the wrong doing and because Sparda knew Vergil would become crazy because of Yamato. Since yamato makes a human crazy, Sparda wasnt like that whereas vergil was half human so that part got corrupted and this is why vergil rejects his humanity. Dante, on the other hand, accepted his soul and he rebels against Vergil's seek power. And because he was doing the right thing, vergil lost.
Thanks for doing this! DMC can be so light-hearted, you forget how much research and thoughtful design went into it.
This video just makes me want dmc6 more. If this idea is taken as true then we are taking a different writer view on the world. Which will be interesting to see a dmc where that take more inspiration from William Blake.
Fucking masterpiece of a video. I never thought an analysis on DMC could yield so much and yet, here we are.
I was thinking when you said Trish was originally going to be called Beatrice. What if she is but rather than her full name, she goes by Trice and the name got mixed up in translation for a more phonetic version with Trish?
I'm also curious of whether Blake can be cross referenced with DMC4's ideas and storyline.
Silent Hill and DMC are two of my favorite franchises and seeing you cover them makes me happy, thank you Muse!
You forgot to mention that in DMC3, Vergil was worried that the portal to the human world was closing, and in case, this would lead to both of them being trapped in the demon world. In the end, Vergil decides to stay in the demon world, rejecting dante's attempt to save him, because he would slow him down, he only wish to stay with his amulet, claiming that his amulet belongs to him. The end of DMC3 is tragic because Vergil search for power was because he couldnt save his mother and he saw himself as weak, he blamed his human side, that's why he was in search for power so much, to protect himself and the ones he cares ("Might controls everything and without strengh you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself").
Also, in DMC1 Vergil was actually defeated by Mundus and he was corrupted. Still, he was the most honorable fighter in the game, even Dante recognizes that ("A man with guts and honor, i like that, but its too shame you serve Mundus"). Nelo Angelo never strikes you in the back.
I think their rivarly in DMC3 was perfect, because Vergil never truly hated Dante, Dante seemed to hate him way more in the beggining of the game. Vergil only wanted to gain more power and his brother was in his way, but i never truly saw that he hated Dante, only was his opponent.
You know, the whole theme of division and union makes me think of the title itself of the franchise, is common for Dante to believe that devils never cry because they're are not emotional beings like humans, they just seem power, however as we can see throughout various occasions in the games and the anime, even the devil may cry, maybe they're not so different from humans
Great video. I already loved the DMC series, and now I have greater appreciation for its depth and parallels to the material its inspired by. Never knew how much the games took directly from Dante and Blake, but in retrospect it seems obvious!
I really do love when you delve into stuff outside of Silent Hill, and this one is fantastic. Really work as always.
So happy that you did this one. Devil May Cry is another favorite franchise of mine. I really liked your analysis.
Your video makes me love Devil May Cry series more than before
This is one of the most unique analysis I've seen of the franchise - I found it really interesting! Great work :D
you gotta do this for Castlevaina!? so much lore 2 draw from including Dante;s Devine Comedy.
I wonder if Ninja Gaiden has this much lore allusions
Castlevania is full of amazing references, I would absolutely adore to see some videos on it too.
It's called the divine comedy. Dante's inferno is the video game's title
This. Needs. More. VIEWS!!!
Sounds like occult stuff yeah, give me more 😄
Also the irony of escaping the inferno but landing inside the inferno xD
inthe novel of (before devil may cry 3) actually dante and vergil encountered one of seven deadly sins..and one of seven deadly sins are given authority by vergil to had a power to naming them self correspond to each of deadly sins..
The catholic church council: We are not sure how hell actually looks like?
Dante: You guys didn't read my manga?
I had no clue DMC3 and others had so much influence from literature. Great video, eye opening really.
Who’s ready for DMC6 about Paradiso? Trish can be a focal character for the first time since DMC1 as Dante and Vergil journey out of Hell to confront Mundus for the final time.
This was awesome and I loved it. Nicely done.
I sometimes forget how well research the dmc series is. You did an amazing job. Love this analysis.
That was absolutely fantastic muse cheers and thankyou for this amazing episode. Youve made the devil may cry series even more appealing xo :)
This is easily the most comprehensive analysis I've ever seen in the relation between the two works, excellent work!
An amazing analysis, but also surprised me in a really weird way. It made me realize that a lot of thought went in to the DMC1 items that are essentially just used as keys to open doors.
I know that’s a weird takeaway but like it really does show you learn something new everyday.
very interesting video that deserves way more views, thank you for making this
There is literally so much depth & research to your videos. Subscribed.
Wow! Awesome Job Yet Again Muse!
This has been a fascinating video for me. I recently played DMC1 again and felt like the items needed to progress through the game were lacking in some ways with what they were, how you got some of them and how they functioned. It all felt a bit random, so it's cool to learn that they actually have a thematic throughline.
This is such a good video! I always failed to see the relations between DMC and Inferno other than the names but now it all clicks together
19:23 Surely Leviathan is more fitting with Gluttony since, well y'know it eats you. Same could be said for Doppelganger right? An enemy that literally takes your appearance sounds a lot more like Envy to me. I could be wrong though, idk. These are kinda just surface level observations from me anyway.
my interpretation
gluttony leviathan
greed geryon (for the charioth maybe)
pride cerberus
wrath beowulf
sloth agni e rudra
envy doppelganger
lust nevan
Wow. absolutely breathtaking definitely subscribed
The BGM in this video bangs
ur content is amazing. The connection with real history really hits the spot for me.
I'm so grateful for the depth of your work. It's inspiring for sure, bless you !
I LOVED THIS.
What a beautiful video essay.
Absolutely brilliant!
Awesome video, I never wanted it to end, but all things end, even us.
such a amazing video... i will watch this many times, really good reading, thanks!!!
Great video. Background music is a vibe. Never actually read the divine comedy so this was really interesting to watch.
I've never watched any of your videos before. But man, this was truly exceptional.
Thanks to all this Italian inspiration, I'd easily call Devil May Cry as Divine Comedy, Family Drama.
Oh god, my DMC5 meme Super Deadweight 64 has ascended. And for something like a sixth DMC entry, Nero and Nico would get help from Lucia to find Dante and Vergil, since she is familiar with her former comrade, including his association with Hell.
Wow amazing
I absolutely love watching your videos!
Incredible work gamingmuse, truly brilliant
Loved this one! I will go and watch the other DMC videos now, this is probably my second favorit series on your channel - awesome work! Can we please get a book for DMC? I would buy them all. ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks🎉
Are you going to make a video talking about DmC as well? There are tons of Divine Comedy references in there.
I haven't played it yet, but I'm certainly planning to and will have to remember to keep an eye out for references!
Well said.
I need to revisit now.
Amazing video
Oh my... That's deep.
Somehow I'm in the mood for fava beans and a nice chianti
You honestly sound like the adjudicator from John wick
Did you play dmc4 Vergil part though
very good
See i like the story of Devil May Cry, but every attempt to actually play the games just never works out, i'm even having fun so no idea why i can never bring myself to play to completion.
Damn i cant beleive Someone picked Up my theory that i posted on angryjoes DMC reboot Video while i was arguing with a Spanish fool.
Great vid! Out of curiosity what song started on 16:06?
Not Christian theology. Don't confuse Christianity with Roman Catholicism.
Didn't Christianity spin from Roman Catholocism, though?
@@TheFLAMEXD no, this would take over an hour to explain history but no.
Isn't it Nelo Angelo? Not Nero
In the game, it is Nelo Angelo, but this is actually a mistranslation! It was meant to be Nero, but r and l are really similar and often mistranslated from Japanese.
@@thegamingmuse ah right. Thanks for clearing that up
I thought it was just me so its not Nelo but nero and isnt that weird his sons name is nero? 🤣
@@SemekiIzuio Nero was named because he was wrapped in a black blanket iirc, Nero = black in Italian
It's nelo angelo, not nero angelo
Mistranslation, Japan uses the same character for L and R and the translators likely translated it as Nelo even if it was meant to be Nero (literally black, for black angel)
So, I've kind of long held the idea that Dante is actually asexual, which the seal of chastity reinforces.
He isn't asexual.
He has ''girlfriends'', he likes the ladies but he doesn’t have any significant relationship (because trauma* and being more focused on the job/hunting demons)
*Read the novels (specially ''Devil May Cry: Volume 1'') and you will understand.
loled at you saying the Catholic church didn't have a solid idea of the doctrine of hell in the 1300s. Please do better research.
As a religious studies alum and former christian college attendee, I can affirm that they really, truly did not have a solid idea of what "hell" looked like, only that it existed, it sucked, and what kinds of things happened. The full geography, layout, and heavy detail were added after Dante.
@@thegamingmuse Dante doesn't have holy orders, he's not a saint either. how exactly did he make authoritative statements on hell? that's not how the magisterium works lol.
He had nothing to do with it - he wrote a work of fiction which had incredibly detailed maps of hell, which were later adopted by church doctrine specifically because they had no maps themselves.
@@thegamingmuse source?? you are literally making this up lol
Muse, I love the video but I do have one request for the future:
Could you please stop saying, inferring or implying Jesus is a myth? That view is not taken seriously by credible historians.
I don't think that I did? If I was implying something was a myth, it was more in relation to the belief that the cup was actually something that existed at the time of jesus, rather than a story that developed later.
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Am I the only one who thought Dante and Vergil were from Texas?? Or at the very least Dante grew up in Texas?