Muslims today don't know this about Surah 17...

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  • @danieldeiturbide9001
    @danieldeiturbide9001 9 днів тому +22

    This video shows how Islam changes in response to certain political changes, even silently and even in modern times. It is also important to note the massive amount of anachronisms in Sahih al Bukhari etc.

    • @KingDavid1979
      @KingDavid1979 9 днів тому +2

      😂

    • @hagalhagal9989
      @hagalhagal9989 8 днів тому +1

      Reminds me of how Al Fadi has said that the single stoning pillar was changed to three stoning pillars in his lifetime.

    • @akanderaz4905
      @akanderaz4905 5 днів тому

      @danieldeiturbide9001 Muslims never start any world war but materialistic criminals like you who believe anything the coloniser says about Muslims

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever 9 днів тому +18

    Muslims need to know this about Surah 17!

  • @Hellish2050
    @Hellish2050 9 днів тому +3

    This is very interesting, thank you. Much valuable info in this video.

  • @ts8960
    @ts8960 9 днів тому +7

    This lecture is extremely important, thank you so much Mel and Saint Murad for the clarity on this

  • @noodleitout5424
    @noodleitout5424 14 днів тому +7

    9:45 I've tinkered with AI translations too... Unrelated to this video's subject matter, but for the infamous surah 52:20, with my methodology I get, "Resting upon thrones arranged, we paired them with virgin springs." That translation isn't entirely "off the mark" for the rest of that surah. Additionally, springs have also been described as "living water."
    28:35 I've love reading Murad's translation. I am a huge fan of the phrase "eligibles of writing." When I see that I can't help but think of "scribes" and of course scribes have played a huge role in the Abrahamic religions.

    • @TheLinguist601
      @TheLinguist601 8 днів тому +1

      The only problem with your AI translation, is that the word order is wrong. حور ḥwr cannot be the adjective of عين ayn. Therefore the last part of Q52:20 cannot mean 'virgin spring(s)'.
      I'm also not convinced that the Arabic here is a borrowing of the Syriac ܥܝܢ ܕܚܡܪܐ ayn d-ḥamrā meaning 'eye of the wine’. Both due to word order and lack of prepositions or particles to create the correct structure in either Arabic or Aramaic, to support this or a related meaning.
      To make sense of it I'm leaning towards reading it as one word حورعين, instead of two words حور عين. This implies that the root would be ḥrʿ instead of ḥwr. This would explain the word order, and would fit with the ب prefix. As in the Peshitta 2Co 4:2 ܒܚܪܥܘܬܐ 'in craftiness'. The Arab copiest could easily have misread this as two seperate words, instead of an Aramaism. Not that this reading doesn't come with its own problems. But imho less problems.

    • @noodleitout5424
      @noodleitout5424 8 днів тому +1

      @TheLinguist601 Thanks! Your expertise, and those like you, are why I now know to tread lightly with the translations and AI.

  • @akanderaz4905
    @akanderaz4905 5 днів тому +1

    Islam is a religion of peace and there's nothing enemies of Muslims can do about it. Free palestine

    • @IslamicOrigins
      @IslamicOrigins  5 днів тому +1

      Yes, free Palestine from Islamic terrorists. 👍

    • @akanderaz4905
      @akanderaz4905 5 днів тому +1

      @IslamicOrigins Free Palestinians from criminals like you who talk rubbish about when the prophet (S.A.W) went to the 7 heavens. You should ask forgiveness from innocent babies and women that Isreal has been killing non-stop

  • @herrzaki
    @herrzaki 9 днів тому +11

    Q17.1 talks about ‘journey’, Q17.2 starts with diphtong ‘wa’ that explains the subject in Q17.1. The subject is Moses

    • @Justinian125
      @Justinian125 8 днів тому +2

      I was thinking this too. I don’t know Arabic but from the context it looks like Moses could very well be the servant

    • @rays.2873
      @rays.2873 8 днів тому

      @@herrzaki why not Jesus?

    • @herrzaki
      @herrzaki 5 днів тому +1

      @@rays.2873 Q17.2 says ‘And We gave Moses the Scripture and made it a guide for the Children of Israel….’

    • @rays.2873
      @rays.2873 5 днів тому

      @ so Moses went from the forbidden Mosque to the farthest Mosque. Explain Where was this Forbidden Mosque and what is the farthest Mosque. From what I understand Moses never made it to the Holy land

    • @herrzaki
      @herrzaki 4 дні тому

      @ post-quranic sectarians were in the habit of naming things that they built themselves after common nouns in the quran in order to deceive people and give their shrines legitimacy. In any case the context of masajid does not refer to physical object.

  • @123dsj123
    @123dsj123 9 днів тому +12

    Every human being owes a duty to intelligence - the ability to acquire knowledge and to apply it. Unfortunately for Muslims, Allah bans the use of intelligence in Islam. Quran 5:101 reads, “O you who believe (Muslims)! Ask not about things which, if made plain (simple, clear) to you may cause you trouble (grief).” In the next verse, Allah explains why no Muslims must engage in learning, creativity, and the free exchange of ideas and thoughts. Quran 5:102 reads, “Some people (Muslims) before you did ask such questions, and on that account, lost their faith.”
    *
    Sahih al-Bukhari 7289: The prophet said: The greatest sinners among the Muslims are those who ask too many questions.

    • @economician
      @economician 8 днів тому +2

      @123dsj123
      I believe you have missunderstood those verses. The rhetoric in the Quran is based on the tradition of Sankt Ephraim and how he used to polemisise against those that attacked the trinity intellectually. You should ask intellectual questions but let Scripture and honesty be the filter. See Quran chapter 5 verse 101. Also see Sankt Ephraim hymoly 11 verse 16, verse 10, hymoly 9 verse 10 in his book The Hymns Of Faith.

  • @julietabraham476
    @julietabraham476 8 днів тому +6

    So good to hear you both.I love that line Israel put a cat amidst the pigeons😅😅😅 they changed Bani Israel to Al Isra but couldn't take off sura 5:21😅😅
    God bless you brethren & keep it coming, as a sidenote ya akhi Murad you are keeping me on the edge of my kursi with your new surprises for 2025

  • @sirupate
    @sirupate 6 днів тому +2

    This is very interesting, I've just downloaded Murad's Quran so I'm looking forward to comparing it and reading a Quran without interference from the SIN.
    If Murad ever does an update I'm wondering if he will take the following into account?
    Antione Moussali a Quranic and Arabic scholar, the Prophet of Islam in the Koran are interpolations .
    Professor Dr R Kerr Islam didn’t start until 750 and the Term Mohammad in the Qurans are likely interpolations.
    Ohlig states that the term Mohammad (MHMD) was used by Arab Christians until 750.
    Edouard M. Gallez 2020: Originally no Mohammad in the Quran and are interpolations.

  • @mysotiras21
    @mysotiras21 8 днів тому +10

    So surah 17 should be "Bani Isra'il" rather than "Al-Isra"? That is how the surah read before 1948? Muslims simply have no shame. They will corrupt their own scripture to make it conform to their modern doctrines and political goals. Thanks for sharing. A blessed Christmas to you and yours.

    • @royssche
      @royssche 6 днів тому

      in Quran, The Chapter name is not part of Revelation, it can be named after the Content of the Chapter or based on context of the Chapter.
      as a kid, i used "Qulhu" as the other name of Surah Al-Ikhlaas, simply because it's the first verse in the Chapter... it's simply easier for me since, i'm not good at Arabic
      in My Native Language Genesis is translated as "Kejadian" wich is means (Incidents).... it is not correct it shall be translated as "Asal", however "asal" is very ambiguous..... so they choose "Kejadian" instead 😅

    • @mysotiras21
      @mysotiras21 6 днів тому +1

      @@royssche , ho hum. First, that is a tangential issue here. Second, the chapter names in the Qur'an are often either inappropriate or completely ridiculous. For example, Surah 2 is the longest in the Qur'an, comprising 286 verses. Only 6 of those verses discuss a cow, yet the entire, meandering surah is called "The Cow"! Idiotic. Allah really didn't understand that titles should reflect content.

  • @SaintMurad
    @SaintMurad 8 днів тому +11

    If I get to create a new Quran translation I will use (the sons of Israel) 😁

  • @Justinian125
    @Justinian125 8 днів тому +4

    Mel, since the title is the sons of Israel and not the night journey, it gets me thinking even bigger. Who do you think verse 1 is talking about? If it’s a Jewish or Israelite prophet than Islam is in serious trouble.

    • @rays.2873
      @rays.2873 8 днів тому

      @@Justinian125 what if someone said Jesus from Temple Mount to Heaven the ascension?

  • @mr.angelosonassis3069
    @mr.angelosonassis3069 9 днів тому +4

    Israel and Children of Israel are mentioned in the Koran. Jerusalem, Palestine and Medina are not mentioned in the Koran. Some scholars believe Mecca is an interpolation in the Quran.

  • @shlomobenmichael7101
    @shlomobenmichael7101 7 днів тому +1

    My German Koran published in 1954 has the Bani Israel. A Sufi school in Cape Town uses a Quran in 2020 with Bani Israel. Maybe generalisations should be curbed a little bit.

    • @shlomobenmichael7101
      @shlomobenmichael7101 6 днів тому

      Tisdall writes in his introduction of "the original sources of the Quran" in 1905 that Sura 17 is called the night journey. So, even if we would like to see it that way, things are not as clear cut. Muslims have been Israel and Jew haters all along. But the Quran has Jewish and heretical Christian roots, undeniable.

  • @Hellish2050
    @Hellish2050 9 днів тому +4

    Can you give a link please, where to get this Koran?

    • @IslamicOrigins
      @IslamicOrigins  8 днів тому +1

      See link in description.

    • @HasanRony-wv3xd
      @HasanRony-wv3xd 8 днів тому

      ​@@IslamicOriginsAllah made all people finger print for judgement day and rebirth purposes mention in quran sura kiyamat read it.......
      Quran completely memories in head by millions hafiz people since the beginning of quran like pendrive memory system oral recitation so no one can change or rewrite quran

    • @HH-xw4hr
      @HH-xw4hr 8 днів тому

      So why does Ibn Masud and Ubayy bin Kaab differ on the number of surahs in the Quran 🤣🤣 so much for hafiz​@@HasanRony-wv3xd

  • @santhiramorgan8329
    @santhiramorgan8329 9 днів тому +8

    I've made a suggestion to Dr Gabriel Said Reynolds to have Murad in his show. Hopefully, this materialises.

    • @jma7600
      @jma7600 16 годин тому

      I wouldn’t hold my breath for too long here. I find G S Reynolds channel very informative but he tends to invite only scholars and academics. Let’s hope he does make an exception 😊.

  • @StarCrystal9
    @StarCrystal9 9 днів тому +3

    Mel, perhaps you could tell me how could I get Murad's book?

  • @septimus1306
    @septimus1306 8 днів тому

    Something quite revealing on the text at 10 minutes 30 or so : "......made it a guidance for the Children of Israel, that they might follow Me. And we made it a guidance for those who follow us". Firstly, this is an instruction to Muslims to follow the scripture given to Moses. Secondly - how is it that Allah talks about himself in both the singular and the plural...... "follow Me" and "follow Us"....... or , by "follow Us" does it mean future generations and so all Muslims are instructed to follow the Torah until the day of judgement ?

  • @napoleonlaguerre5587
    @napoleonlaguerre5587 8 днів тому

    And both Abu Hanifa , Malik ibn Anas said that in the early of islam sura is not existed

  • @StarCrystal9
    @StarCrystal9 9 днів тому +2

    Yeah Murad, could I get that copy? Where from?

  • @rays.2873
    @rays.2873 9 днів тому +5

    Mel, when was Hira renamed Kufa? What were the beliefs of Ali Amir of Hira and Amr bin Aas and Yazid the older brother of Muawiyah? Make a video about it

    • @StarCrystal9
      @StarCrystal9 9 днів тому +1

      ...while walking ...

    • @IslamicOrigins
      @IslamicOrigins  9 днів тому +2

      It was built outside Hira in Abbasid times, possibly expanded from a pre-existing settlement. So I suppose it was named at that time, but this is conjecture and not a secure opinion. This is quite a difficult time to nail down.

    • @rays.2873
      @rays.2873 8 днів тому

      @@IslamicOrigins thx Mel

    • @vicmath1005
      @vicmath1005 8 днів тому

      Al-Hira was the capital of the Nasrids (=Lakhmids).
      The Lakhmids were Himyarites (and almost certainly Nazarenes).
      Perhaps around the fourth/fifth century CE they converted to Christianity (Church of the East). The pope of this Church was based in Persia. The Lakhmid dynasty seems to have come to an end around 602 CE.
      Kufa is very close to Al-Hira. 'Umar ibn al-Khattab the Nazarene (and also of the Hiyarite stock) was based in Kufa, suggesting it was a Nazarene centre. The Nazarenes of Kufa may have provided militia service to the Nasrids, and later to the Sassanians/Persians.
      When the Persians backstabbed the Jews/Nazarenes with the Judaean occupation in 624 CE, the Nazarenes under 'Umar ibn al-Khattab decided to act against the Persians. That was the beginning of the so-called Islamic Empire.
      Kufa then became far more prominent than Al-Hira.

    • @IslamicOrigins
      @IslamicOrigins  8 днів тому

      @@vicmath1005 I don't know what you basing your assertion that the Lakhmids were "almost certainly Nazarenes". I have never seen any evidence of a link.

  • @atifbangash
    @atifbangash 9 днів тому +1

    According to Chapter 17, First 4-5 passages seems to also say that "ISreali" were the children of those onboard the ship with Noah. What does that mean?

  • @HH-xw4hr
    @HH-xw4hr 8 днів тому +2

    You really struck a nerve with this video. So many demons is manifesting in the comments 😂 Keep up exposing the cult. God bless you Mel and Murad ✝️🙏

    • @HH-xw4hr
      @HH-xw4hr 8 днів тому

      @0786AHA And Bart Erhman makes fun of Islam, and says that he wouldnt even read quran, because its so bad 🤣🤣🤣

  • @jons9446
    @jons9446 8 днів тому

    Benē yisrā'ēl (children of israel in hebrew)
    Benay isrā'ēl (cildren of Israel in syriac)
    Ben (hebrew), bar (Syriac), ibn (Arabic) all mean son or descendant

  • @joebloggs1356
    @joebloggs1356 9 днів тому +4

    In Muslim end times prophecy Israel has no mention. There is no Israel. And Muslims say Isa will descend to Damascus which the OT says will be a heap of ruins. Since Muslims are told that if theres any issues with understanding then they should ask the people of the injil and that the Bible is true, then what does this clear confusion mean???

    • @SEnricoPIndiogine
      @SEnricoPIndiogine 8 днів тому +2

      Maybe this tradition was created during the Ummayad times when Damascus was their capital? Or maybe it is even older from the Church in the tradition of Thomas?

    • @mysotiras21
      @mysotiras21 8 днів тому

      It means that Islam is confused and self-contradictory.

  • @AncientHebrewNeverDied
    @AncientHebrewNeverDied 8 днів тому

    What a find! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @inesantunes9594
    @inesantunes9594 6 днів тому

    Only Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life.

  • @ZionistWorldOrder
    @ZionistWorldOrder День тому

    yeah you know but the most religion obsessed 1970million people do not? your arrogance knows no bounds.

  • @agengsatya96
    @agengsatya96 6 днів тому

    why? bani israel is palestinians!

  • @haiderhannan8038
    @haiderhannan8038 9 днів тому +1

    ua-cam.com/video/Bd244nrMkd4/v-deo.htmlsi=IeqkOOwxtp8ledbx

    • @mysotiras21
      @mysotiras21 8 днів тому

      Thanks for this link. Of course, the Night Journey never happened. Itr is simply an Islamic reworking of the Vision of Arta Viraf, an earlier Zoroastrian mystic.

  • @ZionistWorldOrder
    @ZionistWorldOrder День тому

    you guys 😂 you have no clue how many and how much more competent people have covered these matters how many times? you toddlers do realise ppl study this stuff all their lives right? right? your arrogance is just ridiculous

  • @ThePugilist218
    @ThePugilist218 23 години тому

    Saint? Lol.
    This is silly.

  • @asifbrettishmaelmakki9
    @asifbrettishmaelmakki9 8 днів тому

    Isra meaning is held up by an arabic language definition,of meaning night journey.
    Isra in the quran is not recited with AL Isra,hence AL is of no significance. Isra is pronounced as Asra.
    Asra is Isra,which likely will be same word as Hebrew word Isra.It means struggle or fight.So the quran verse,seems to be suggesting 👉glory are the struggling servants .... and that specific verse may be nothing to do with Bani Israel.

  • @abcxyz7424
    @abcxyz7424 8 днів тому +1

    Wow a new bogus imposter teaching. Paid agent keep trying.

    • @mysotiras21
      @mysotiras21 8 днів тому +1

      Insults and assertions are not valid arguments, peanut. Try harder.

    • @IslamicOrigins
      @IslamicOrigins  7 днів тому +1

      I'm waiting on my payment then... 😂 Why not address the points raised? Are you saying the qurans are in error?

    • @mysotiras21
      @mysotiras21 7 днів тому

      @@IslamicOrigins , this clown is claiming that Qur'an means whatever Muslims want it to mean.

    • @mysotiras21
      @mysotiras21 7 днів тому

      PROVE that he is wrong. Show us your evidence.

  • @SzTz100
    @SzTz100 9 днів тому

    Putting religion to one side, I don't understand why you think having a European colonial settler state, backed by the colonial powers at the time (and today) in the middle east is a good idea. I think the thesis presented here is probably correct, but the conflict has gone beyond religion at this point. I think Muslims would rather abandon their book than accept the colonial state, that's my thesis.

    • @ts8960
      @ts8960 9 днів тому

      "european settlers" you know europeans genocided jews for NOT BEING european?
      and also all the artifacts in israel show hebrew and paleo-hebrew engravings. Palestinians dont even speak hebrew lol.
      Persians, kurds, lebanese, iraqis, syrians, turks - they all have fair skin, and from levant region. Just take a look at their presidents. Arabs are from arabia, and 7th century islamic conquests arabized prior cultures. Soon persians will also topple their islamic government.
      Common sense question:
      Do you genuinely think that ashkenazi ancestors one day decided to pretend to be jewish by adopting the jewish religion, learning hebrew, writing extensive hebrew works, studying talmud, all their folk songs are about jerusalem, all this pretending only to be persecuted by their european counterparts for not being native europeans?
      Do you understand the absurdity of that 😂
      Anyways here is what studies say:
      》Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jews were found to be closer genetically to each other than to their long-term host populations, and all of them were found to have Middle Eastern ancestry, together with varying amounts of admixture in their local populations. Mizrahi and Ashkenazi Jews were found to have diverged from each other approximately 2,500 years in the past, approximately the time of the Babylonian exile. The studies also reconfirmed the results of previous studies which found that North African Jews were more closely related to each other and to European and Middle Eastern Jews than to their non-Jewish host populations.[104]

    • @karimmezghiche9921
      @karimmezghiche9921 9 днів тому

      The thing is, everything he says in the video is complete nonsense

    • @unisophia
      @unisophia 9 днів тому +7

      Israel is not an European state, not a colonial state and it is not backed by any colonial powers.
      what you wrote here shows an incredible level of ignorance. please, take time to learn the subject before you attempt to discuss it, and please, start from the very beginning, from basic terms, because that’s where your ignorance begins.

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 9 днів тому

      @@unisophia don't tell me, god gave it to them.

    • @unisophia
      @unisophia 9 днів тому

      @
      it doesn’t matter.
      what matters is that “they” were there first and “they” were there always, although, not all of “them”. but the same true for anyone else as well.
      for 2000 years “they” were neither white nor Europeans for you: until these words became bad, and that’s when you happily slapped them on “them”.
      and when “they” decided that it’s time to finally come back home, because wherever “they” resided outside “their” homeland, “they” were always reminded about “their” otherness and told exactly where “they” should go - back home, to the land that was or wasn’t given to “them” by G-d, because as we already established, this detail is insignificant right now.
      what matters is history, archeology, anthropology, culturology and even genetics (I know your ilk loves genetics :) though, you would hate it if you knew anything about it or how gloriously does it refute your idiotic Nazi-style “blood-and-soil” claim :)) but when “they” finally did, people like you popped up out of every dusty corner, yelling that “they” are in fact “Europeans” and “colonizers” :) lol
      you are pathetic.
      and the worst part: you don’t even realize how much…

  • @m.darghal1984
    @m.darghal1984 9 днів тому

    Wat een neppe video😂😂😂

    • @IslamicOrigins
      @IslamicOrigins  9 днів тому +4

      Fake in what sense? 🤣

    • @m.darghal1984
      @m.darghal1984 8 днів тому

      @ the entire content is incorrect

    • @SEnricoPIndiogine
      @SEnricoPIndiogine 8 днів тому +1

      Wat een nette video

    • @IslamicOrigins
      @IslamicOrigins  8 днів тому +5

      ​@@m.darghal1984Can you list point by point what you think is false so others can fact check your tall claim? We have used hard evidence throughout that anyone can check to see if it is incorrect.

    • @mysotiras21
      @mysotiras21 8 днів тому

      This was not clever. Don't quit your day job to try and become a comedian. You will fail.

  • @HA-14
    @HA-14 8 днів тому

    Come to CHRIST THE TRUTH pagans.

  • @haiderhannan8038
    @haiderhannan8038 9 днів тому +1

    What does the panel think of this video. ua-cam.com/video/Bd244nrMkd4/v-deo.htmlsi=IeqkOOwxtp8ledbx

  • @sultanahamed2484
    @sultanahamed2484 8 днів тому

    Murad was there in the form of angel when israel was deleted from quoran Murad is the witness Murad behaving like faithful to descendents abujahal