Mnxxxn uyabheda wena Zikalala ... And the media too, why didn't you publish every evidence that was presented by the people showing votes burned and some carried by municipal vehicles?
When was the evidence presented? Zuma himself said that he will not present the evidence that they have, so I will like to hear where the evidence (and what evidence) was presented and where this was done.
@@sifisocyprianshezi3824😂😂 wake her up please no not you actually because you're not on the same bed with you her anc and her da must take that responsibility
@@standismore5328 because in the voting stations I was in most of them were ANC members and followers, so due to that sample I concluded that most of IEC were ANC members or followers...but your 96% pass rate knows which political party each member follows, so u tell me...!!!
@@katlegokgosi4216 dude you should be in only one to vote. One station does not represent the entire RSA polling station makeup. It was 98% not 96%. We see you cant count...go back to school.
The narcissistic (Zuma) is the one who is fighting IEC. The IEC has done its job proper. Zuma doesn't know how to read numbers we don't expect him to even understand the work of the IEC.
MK won kzn outright but their % was curbed so that they don't go above 50%. This was done in front of our eyes. The same applies to PA in the western cape 😢
Thank you Ramaboya for waking us up the black people are too relaxed enjoying ama 350’s while you enjoy billions..Thank you president because of you I now choose to join the revolutionary until I see you join your ancestors
That journalist is an IEC official himself or a spoke person of IEC. This SABC continued to be a trash. That is why I no longer take SA media serious because it a captured trash media.
There are many instances whereby courts find that rules, policies and even acts are unconstitutional and set aside, courts do not say there must be amendments they simply set aside, Mpumelelo's analysis are doubtful 😂😂😂😂
What they we doing with this votes before MK was present at the recounting ? Who knows if they were changing this votes therefor if Justice works well in this Republic it is clear we need to vote again I'm ready to vote again
What about all the people who decided not to vote? I know quite a few people who were registered but chose not to vote for one reason or the other. Furthermore where are these ballots that were not counted?
There are 10s of hundreds of boxes not counted. We saw them. Other boxes were burnt. It was all out in the social media with police as witness. But SAns and iec turned a blind eye to 26 parties complaining. How are these elections free n faír when party agents numbers don't correspond with iec portal?
Zikalala! What is happening to you? MK has done a forensic, again what do you mean by saying MK need to be inside IEC? Zikalala are from other country or you are here?
Mr Zikalala are you one of IEC Representative or you are against MKP,please dont be bias on your comments.am listen to what trying to say but it is not clear Sir,make your research properly,from african continent.
So what are you suggesting? Please reply, I want to show you how foolish you are. And you are not replying, that will be a proven that you have intelligence disability!
Some of the information is for the journalist to ask from the IEC as the holder of that information. that part of investigative journalism and reliable critical analysis.
@@user-cg8jd7zz3e they had no chance bro,MK asked IEC not to announce the results,bcz according to law,the results should be announced within 7 days,but IEC hurry up and never listened to MK and other parties,so it's clear that IEC is working for ANC and is no longer independant.
Zuma himself said that he will not present the proof, where are the proof you are referring to and when was it presented, because it cannot be the proof referring to by Zuma.
The votes may have been counted wrong, but lets not forget how many people weren't even allowed to vote, myself and my partner, registered with valid IDs, told to go home from the voting station, some section 24a nonesense, we thought we had a right to vote but we didn't. The IEC is not independent, and the election was not free and fair because I had to pay to get to the station and I didn't get to vote.
LoZikalala ngamuzwa kuKhozi FM ayikho lento yakhe , ukhuluma into eyodwa akahlaziyi lento okukhulunywa ngayo...yena ukhuluma ngomthetho not lento ekhulunywayo....ufuna ama evidence engathi abawavezi abe MK....Cha unenkinga lobhuti
Oliver should go back to schooll and enrol for a mathematical literacy course. If 1+1 is not equal to 2 which mathematical evidence does one need to produce
Ppl are easy to comment and understand the person... Zikalala is one of us he is an MK supporter if you follow him every interview. Sometime you need to take a sgort left to confused the enemy. This guy is so smart... phela naye he is pish things under G... unlike u Samkelo Maseko he attended all ANC campaigns he never asked crushal questions on ANC
The IEC declared that the votes were free and fair and also, all votes have been accounted for. Doubling the votes is not enough. IEC should not think we are stupid!!
Former President was once involved in the rigging of votes, thus, he knows where the rigging took place and how....he may not have tangible evidence in some other cases and he knows that too, thus, before you rule him out; it will be much better to watch the space.... that's all I'm prepared to say for now before I too contradict myself.
1. 9000000 votes discrepancy is too much to be set aside as spoilt votes wena bhantinti 2.Even if ppl vote outside their stations ,that number should compensate as they are still in SA 😅
The mks case if its being judged by only judges of here in south Africa it wont win cause judiciary is involved in making sure that the MK is taken fown ,we need international independent judiciary
Aww guys this same guy said the opposition in Zimbabwe is right by saying elections were not free and fair even after failing to go to court.What hv changed now.
Law is complecated. I thought proof of doubt was sufficient but it seems there must be more proof of misconduct that proof of possibility. Is this the same procedure followed when females falsely claim to be raped?
@@marieslabbert6009 so if I come and say u raped me. I must be the one to present proof beyond reasonable doubt or I just need to prove that doubt and possibility cannot be ruled out?
They think we are uneducated 1994 South Africans from Bantu education. That seat given to NFP is wrong 0.45 round of to 0.4 because an even number is not affected by 5 when rounding off. They think elections results is a graduation ceremony. It is not. Poor voted for change.
I'm impressed with this SABC News host, he's impartial and asking pertinent questions instead it's Zikalala who's defending the IEC. Video materials were all over the show with ballot papers from opposition parties' strongholds dumped everywhere and others transported by municipal workers affiliated with the governing parties. Is that not enough evidence?
UZikalala uyabheda, uchema ne-IEC. I-IEC yenza abantu izilima ngesimabomu. These voting and counting processes are not user friendly and hence make it very difficult for an ordinary person to prove any act or omission (irregularities and vote rigging). The IEC according to Zikalala is always right to the Electoral Act, despite proof of votes not accounted for or votes that has been thrown into rubbish bins. This is nonsensical. Our educated elites are greatest oppressers of uneducated societies. There is no one protecting our uneducated societies. Poor people's votes are always used to promote middle class' to get richer and richer! This shows that a Black person is educated in order to oppress fellow persons. Such persons cannot interrogate or question anything suspicious or anomaly. MK is therefore correct to suggest that the Constitution must be expunged and rewritten! Elections must be declared invalid to the extent of the prima face evidence presented before the Court.
Africans, particularly Black South Africans must abandon the cancerous democratic system. It is foreign, and will never work for us. Blacks must unite and create their own system of government, independent from the West Democratic system.
I believe DA also did not win Western Cape The coloured s had no faith in them So if they recount for the Mk in kzn the same should be done for the PA andNCC in the Cape
We don't care about what Zanu PF did, there is no parallel between south africa and Zimbabwe. South africa has a functional democracy that is a constitutional democracy. If MK had a valid point they know what to do and they refused to do it. Indeed our regulatory frameworks states categorically that he who alleges must prove. Furthermore, evidence that is proof must be submitted within the set timeliness to a competent court. Zuma refers to our law a as a Roman Dutch law and in his mind therefore he has no obligation to observe it. That in any language according to all southafrican official languages is lawlessness.
Just use simple maths: If MK adds the 9,330,828 'unaccounted for' votes to the counted votes, the total number of votes is 27,378 908. With 27,4 million registered voters, it means that the voter turn-out was close to 100%. Which has never happened, in any election, anywhere. Regarding the point about the capturing process.... all party agents in each voting station send their totals to their party electoral offices, who keep a close eye on the tallies as they are captured by the IEC. If there was any kind of discrepancy, the party would pick it up immediately.
Let MK and IEC go to court, don't judge as if MK PARTY is wrong
Ehhe abame kancane nje sisabheka Nathi ngokwethu
Y you say MKP is wrong?
Exactly my sentiments.
Bababizela Loko I don't watch TV news anymore bcos bayatshelwa ukuthi babize Bani and babuze Ini.
@@vivabuthelezi2364take a closer look, he said ( don't judge as if mk is wrong)that means mk is right as I understood 😅 my apologies if I am wrong.
We don't have journalism in this country.
Well said
That's true
That's why I don't watch TV and subscribe to podcasts channels!
That is why I no longer watch sabc news, I am just here to listen to how they are spinning the narrative
Including this Zikalala... 🤮
Zikalala doesn't know his position he's always confused ever since I followed him he's an AncDa full-time
Mnxxxn uyabheda wena Zikalala ... And the media too, why didn't you publish every evidence that was presented by the people showing votes burned and some carried by municipal vehicles?
Zikalala is analysing the law. Why you blame him for the media
When was the evidence presented? Zuma himself said that he will not present the evidence that they have, so I will like to hear where the evidence (and what evidence) was presented and where this was done.
@@marieslabbert6009 You are fast asleep.
@@marieslabbert6009nah nah let be honest black people were hijacked this time around
@@sifisocyprianshezi3824😂😂 wake her up please no not you actually because you're not on the same bed with you her anc and her da must take that responsibility
This guy is bias, he doesn't like MK. He answers everything negative against MK. He is not neutral.
I don't take this Zikalala seriously all his analysis during MK courts cases never matched his predictions dts why i say i don't take him serious
IEC just like the ANC has lost credibility beyond imagination.
Another cry baby
Because IEC memers are pro ANC, or even registered ANC members😂😂😂
@@katlegokgosi4216 what is your proof of this propaganda? Is it your 30% pass rate?
@@standismore5328 because in the voting stations I was in most of them were ANC members and followers, so due to that sample I concluded that most of IEC were ANC members or followers...but your 96% pass rate knows which political party each member follows, so u tell me...!!!
@@katlegokgosi4216 dude you should be in only one to vote. One station does not represent the entire RSA polling station makeup. It was 98% not 96%. We see you cant count...go back to school.
The IEC failed SA and they were so busy fighting Zuma in and out of court
No, they failed the anarchist. SA is fine. We are happy.
@@MKL_D The IEC rigged the elections in favour of the DA and the ANC
@@MKL_D Its You and your DA that are happy, don't involve us....
Zuma was in the ANC for the past thirty years. He knows how votes rigged to render IEC to fail.
The narcissistic (Zuma) is the one who is fighting IEC. The IEC has done its job proper. Zuma doesn't know how to read numbers we don't expect him to even understand the work of the IEC.
The journalist is not asking questions but guiding the iec member on what to say
MK won kzn outright but their % was curbed so that they don't go above 50%. This was done in front of our eyes. The same applies to PA in the western cape 😢
You say this according to what proof you have??
Udakiwe yimbamba wena
Fully agreed, this was preplanned, but the fools differ due to short sightedness. Can't argue with fools
I saw that and it true...they fooling people of kzn IEC have Zondo on their side so they think they are safe
This isn’t a journalist he’s actually advocating for IEC.
MK are intellectuals and technocrats, IEC and ANC underestimated MK
Now the results have changed in the IEC data just after the MK party press conference, why?
Zikalala doesn't sound like a law specialist but he sounds like a journalist
Well man isn't a law graduate to begin with, allegedly
Thank you Ramaboya for waking us up the black people are too relaxed enjoying ama 350’s while you enjoy billions..Thank you president because of you I now choose to join the revolutionary until I see you join your ancestors
Respect King . The list is nicely long and clear. Eye am also on field,
I fail to see how they will take a sincere oath with such underground tendencies.
We don't need bais analyst in our country
We will fight soon as people of KwaZulu-Natal we won't allow ifp to lead us Viva mk🎉
IEC must answer
He who alleges must prove
IEC have failed SA
This Zikalala is n ANC whatever he says its like a rotten tomatoes to me
Why is the journalist defending the system?
Shouldn't he be asking questions.
Apparently he who alleges must proof, so the ball is in your court
@@mariahkamogelomoloisane6276 the court of Ramaphosa ?
They are in the pockets of phala phala boss
Hes protecting his job, by bushing around.
I wonder what he will say since IEC added 12 mill votes
journalism in this country is dead for some news channels ......................................................
That journalist is an IEC official himself or a spoke person of IEC. This SABC continued to be a trash. That is why I no longer take SA media serious because it a captured trash media.
Please don't be buyers we are not stupid
Am i the only one noticing Zikalala's negativity😢
Me too his not that smart
There are many instances whereby courts find that rules, policies and even acts are unconstitutional and set aside, courts do not say there must be amendments they simply set aside, Mpumelelo's analysis are doubtful 😂😂😂😂
I don't like this mpumelelo udiffenda umsebenzi wakhe so mnxm
By listening to the legal expert, it will be difficult for MK to prove their case. MK is likely to lose the case due to lack of evidence.
With the political party system you can never have free and fair elections and also never a peaceful working democracy NEVER!
This presenter sounds like a Unisa third year LLB student 😂
Unnecessarily lol
I don't know what that means, but it sounded disrespectful 😅
How do they sounds like LLB Unisa third year students?
UNISA IS TOP UNIVERSITY IS SA AND AFRICA.
The commentor is a cthird year student got excited when they talk about His LEV3701 module.
You are really madd guys period
What they we doing with this votes before MK was present at the recounting ? Who knows if they were changing this votes therefor if Justice works well in this Republic it is clear we need to vote again I'm ready to vote again
What about all the people who decided not to vote? I know quite a few people who were registered but chose not to vote for one reason or the other.
Furthermore where are these ballots that were not counted?
There are 10s of hundreds of boxes not counted. We saw them. Other boxes were burnt. It was all out in the social media with police as witness. But SAns and iec turned a blind eye to 26 parties complaining. How are these elections free n faír when party agents numbers don't correspond with iec portal?
Zikalala! What is happening to you? MK has done a forensic, again what do you mean by saying MK need to be inside IEC? Zikalala are from other country or you are here?
Weeeeaaaamame!!!!!! You are standing on a particular viewpoint.....allow us to select sides on our own but not be led by you to a specific point.
The IEC still hasn't given us the number of voter turnout
They have....cant help you asleep at the wheel
I haven't heard what the outcome of the objections were?
@@standismore5328which was?.. I thought as much, just a sell out singing for his supper.
Look now, they've doubled the votes on the IEC website. Hai😂😂😂😂 hai
Who paying these fellows?😂😂😂😂
Mr Zikalala are you one of IEC Representative or you are against MKP,please dont be bias on your comments.am listen to what trying to say but it is not clear Sir,make your research properly,from african continent.
We have no journalists in this country we have actors acting according to the script.
IEC has the burden of transparency and proof
remember zuma has been part of the rigging for 30 years so he knows how the rigging works in the anc
and since you believe this baseless claim you hope to convince those who think like you to believe you too right.
Ngempela ngoba uyazi ukuthi uZuma ube Riga ama election awumemezi ngani utshele yonke iSouth Africa
@@user-mw7bi7vy8h😅😅😅😅
So what are you suggesting? Please reply, I want to show you how foolish you are. And you are not replying, that will be a proven that you have intelligence disability!
Which election did he rig?
The only solution here is revote
What absolute nonsense!!
How is nonsense, it's common sense use your brains and not media think for you.
@mkhuselifoslara3927 Brother, look at our country ??? make sense, no, we need to change wake-up buddy, please 🙏
@@WayneWhitfield-qt1fe yes we need change but those who engaged in vote rigging must be arrested
Someone is following Donald Trumps example.
Yes, by being loved and voted for the people and hated by greedy business people who hate citizens
WE TOLD THE IEC THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM BUT IT REFUSED TO LISTEN...ZIYAKHALA!! VIVA MK
Two fools talking nonsense , one acting as a reporter and the other as political analyst confused as legal analyst
Some of the information is for the journalist to ask from the IEC as the holder of that information. that part of investigative journalism and reliable critical analysis.
Did you follow up on all these videos posted on social media?
This thing is clear,MK has a proof of what they are saying,but IEC doesn't want to listen why?
What proof ?
They made up a list.
That's not proof.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub they don't want the proof why? MK party has a proof that's why they have taken the matter to court.
They had a chance to submit their evidence to the constitutional court and they didn't
@@user-cg8jd7zz3e they had no chance bro,MK asked IEC not to announce the results,bcz according to law,the results should be announced within 7 days,but IEC hurry up and never listened to MK and other parties,so it's clear that IEC is working for ANC and is no longer independant.
Zuma himself said that he will not present the proof, where are the proof you are referring to and when was it presented, because it cannot be the proof referring to by Zuma.
I don’t understand this brother of ours anymore…….🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿
Guys let not badmouth the MK, let’s wait and see their case at electro court
Can the Journalist ask Questions and then allow the Legal Expert to finish his explanation.
The votes may have been counted wrong, but lets not forget how many people weren't even allowed to vote, myself and my partner, registered with valid IDs, told to go home from the voting station, some section 24a nonesense, we thought we had a right to vote but we didn't. The IEC is not independent, and the election was not free and fair because I had to pay to get to the station and I didn't get to vote.
This is a simple case of what goes in equals what comes out.
Chris honey said let's charge these laws Mandela said Chris don't be aggressive. If we don't charge this laws we wil ourselves back in prison again.
The IEC counted a total of 31.9 million votes when only 16 million people voted, while only 27 million South African were registered
We shall wait upon Electoral Court, you guys want to brain 🧠 wash us
LoZikalala ngamuzwa kuKhozi FM ayikho lento yakhe , ukhuluma into eyodwa akahlaziyi lento okukhulunywa ngayo...yena ukhuluma ngomthetho not lento ekhulunywayo....ufuna ama evidence engathi abawavezi abe MK....Cha unenkinga lobhuti
The votes have not changed, look at the scoreboard, national and regional voters
This journalist must go do law coz he is clearly auditioning for a legal job
Zikalala I won't be surprised if u r in the Stellenbotch
Captured analyst
Oliver should go back to schooll and enrol for a mathematical literacy course. If 1+1 is not equal to 2 which mathematical evidence does one need to produce
Evidence is the IEC website... The announced results are not the same results as the ones that popped up out of nowhere... We need answers as voters
The presenter has already judged MKP, I understand that it is their job to influence how courts should think.
Ppl are easy to comment and understand the person... Zikalala is one of us he is an MK supporter if you follow him every interview. Sometime you need to take a sgort left to confused the enemy. This guy is so smart... phela naye he is pish things under G... unlike u Samkelo Maseko he attended all ANC campaigns he never asked crushal questions on ANC
The IEC declared that the votes were free and fair and also, all votes have been accounted for. Doubling the votes is not enough. IEC should not think we are stupid!!
Besekuthi i Kzn inodlame kanti ubugebengu osizweni nabo umuntu ushawa la onekhona, lungisani amaphutha enu kusanethuba ngoba ngeke kuphethe kahle
Journalist are now becaming spoke person of the IEC they failed their work
This analyst is a fortune teller. He now knows what will happen on the case
PA leader stopped co planning. He is now in the parliament and forgotten people voted for him.
Former President was once involved in the rigging of votes, thus, he knows where the rigging took place and how....he may not have tangible evidence in some other cases and he knows that too, thus, before you rule him out; it will be much better to watch the space.... that's all I'm prepared to say for now before I too contradict myself.
1. 9000000 votes discrepancy is too much to be set aside as spoilt votes wena bhantinti
2.Even if ppl vote outside their stations ,that number should compensate as they are still in SA 😅
The mks case if its being judged by only judges of here in south Africa it wont win cause judiciary is involved in making sure that the MK is taken fown ,we need international independent judiciary
Aww guys this same guy said the opposition in Zimbabwe is right by saying elections were not free and fair even after failing to go to court.What hv changed now.
Is this possible when some of them were burnt!
Ask zuma to say tht 9million wt wt first😂
Awusho ngesiZulu phela nawe
Say it in Zulu
Yisho
Yini eyenza nibone ngathi isilungu sibaluleke ukundlula ulimi lwesintu
Kenbosha fusseek asinamsebenzi nesilungu sakini sisipassa ukdlula Nina naseskoleni so shathaphu
Quite right Zikalala. Why is
High nuumber of spoilt ballots questionable
Remember, that is what Zuma claims, that is not what the IEC confirmed.
@@marieslabbert6009He has tangible evidence hence the courts haven't dismissed the case
He said mk don't have power to claim the re vote so Ramaphosa have power to rigg people votes now I understand
Re- election..... constitution make sense...
We won't rest...
Nisile ..benithuleleni sonke leskhathi...
this #SABC guy keeps cutting off Mpumelelo before he finishes, anything.
How much!
Lala SABC. ... Gud9t
Law is complecated. I thought proof of doubt was sufficient but it seems there must be more proof of misconduct that proof of possibility. Is this the same procedure followed when females falsely claim to be raped?
The burden of proof is higher in murder cases than in other cases. Which situation are you referring to?
@@marieslabbert6009 so if I come and say u raped me. I must be the one to present proof beyond reasonable doubt or I just need to prove that doubt and possibility cannot be ruled out?
Maries stop being dumb ... Which part do you not understand here ay Nani niyaphoxa .... Read Musa's comment again nx
Hahahaha Zikalala , a brother to Sihle Zikalala
How do you recount ballots that were burned?
Donald Trump
Please do not compare anybody with Donald Trump.
Legal analyst and journalist nivumela ngo msangano
he is number 67 in the roster of people that cyril has bribed to date.
Why is no news talking about the ICE board updated 2 weeks after winner announcement????
They think we are uneducated 1994 South Africans from Bantu education. That seat given to NFP is wrong 0.45 round of to 0.4 because an even number is not affected by 5 when rounding off.
They think elections results is a graduation ceremony. It is not. Poor voted for change.
These people are hypocrites😂😂😂
I'm impressed with this SABC News host, he's impartial and asking pertinent questions instead it's Zikalala who's defending the IEC. Video materials were all over the show with ballot papers from opposition parties' strongholds dumped everywhere and others transported by municipal workers affiliated with the governing parties. Is that not enough evidence?
UZikalala uyabheda, uchema ne-IEC. I-IEC yenza abantu izilima ngesimabomu. These voting and counting processes are not user friendly and hence make it very difficult for an ordinary person to prove any act or omission (irregularities and vote rigging). The IEC according to Zikalala is always right to the Electoral Act, despite proof of votes not accounted for or votes that has been thrown into rubbish bins. This is nonsensical. Our educated elites are greatest oppressers of uneducated societies. There is no one protecting our uneducated societies. Poor people's votes are always used to promote middle class' to get richer and richer! This shows that a Black person is educated in order to oppress fellow persons. Such persons cannot interrogate or question anything suspicious or anomaly. MK is therefore correct to suggest that the Constitution must be expunged and rewritten! Elections must be declared invalid to the extent of the prima face evidence presented before the Court.
Africans, particularly Black South Africans must abandon the cancerous democratic system. It is foreign, and will never work for us. Blacks must unite and create their own system of government, independent from the West Democratic system.
I believe DA also did not win Western Cape The coloured s had no faith in them So if they recount for the Mk in kzn the same should be done for the PA andNCC in the Cape
Waiting for SADC report 😢
Relax Mk has evidence ,watch the space,you guys can talk and talk this nothing.
Mxm Zikalala does the Electioral Comm rules say the party agents participate up to the siging of the lip?
Same script used by ZanuPF/ZEC versus Chamisa. Bring evidence of rigging and signed V11 forms, they said!
We don't care about what Zanu PF did, there is no parallel between south africa and Zimbabwe.
South africa has a functional democracy that is a constitutional democracy. If MK had a valid point they know what to do and they refused to do it. Indeed our regulatory frameworks states categorically that he who alleges must prove. Furthermore, evidence that is proof must be submitted within the set timeliness to a competent court.
Zuma refers to our law a as a Roman Dutch law and in his mind therefore he has no obligation to observe it. That in any language according to all southafrican official languages is lawlessness.
We are dealing with a Chess Master here, moves are careful, strategy lies hidden UNTIL Execution (Checkmate)!!!
Just use simple maths: If MK adds the 9,330,828 'unaccounted for' votes to the counted votes, the total number of votes is 27,378 908. With 27,4 million registered voters, it means that the voter turn-out was close to 100%. Which has never happened, in any election, anywhere.
Regarding the point about the capturing process.... all party agents in each voting station send their totals to their party electoral offices, who keep a close eye on the tallies as they are captured by the IEC. If there was any kind of discrepancy, the party would pick it up immediately.
This is CRIME