Yeah, the more maps you do the worse it gets too, I have a ton of zones set up for different farming/atlas trees (Exp farming, rarity farming, certain league mechanics etc.) and finding them when I want to go do them is an absolute pain.
There is something that could proof your theory. Yesterday I had an area in the north where all my nodes ended in a deadend. But I could see that there was no water or mountain in the fog that would stop my progress in that direction. After I used a tablet on the nearest tower to that area the game generated new paths (lines) from my deadends into the foggy area. That indicated to me that the game is generating stuff in the fog on the fly. I recognized that you can "spot" citadels depending on monster types in your maps (waystones). If you run a swamp, for example, but the skeleton dudes with a shield that reflect projectiles appear in that map (where they don't belong because swap is act 3 and they are act 1 mobs) the "Iron Citadel" (Count Act 1) is nearby. Something else has changed since then. For weeks towers looked kinda normal, you could see which ones I hadn't done and which ones are cleared, but visually nothing beyond that. Now, some of my towers got a huge flame on the top.
Great input, I'll check into the monster variety more to see if I see the same thing. I've noticed the tower thing too but my early assumption was that it was just because of elevation changes in the fog. For instance I went to see one that stuck out more and it was just on a mountain peak, but I will be on the lookout for the flame you are talking about.
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE It's weird. I got a few hundred hours by now and had never seen the huge flame coming out of the top of a tower until yesterday, now, when I wanted to record it so you could see what I am talking about - it's gone. I had 3 towers close to each other and all had a flame coming out of the golden top. The flame was half the size of the tower, so really easy to see. Should I encounter it again I try to record it and figure out why it appeared.
So I decided to test this theory tonight and just started clearing towards the nearest corrupted tower. When I cleared it another corrupted tower was revealed nearby, so I cleared to that one next, while also clearing the corrupted maps along the way. Each corrupted tower revealed at least one other nearby corrupted tower, either directly visible or in the fog. (You can spot the tentacles on them) By following this path I was able to find 2 citadels tonight in a few hours of gameplay, ~30 maps cleared in total along the way. This is a small sample size but you very well may be on to something. Hopefully more people will try this technique out so we can test it further.
Great contribution, I'm currently working on a follow-up because with the help of comments I was able to refine the process even more. I spawned a ton of citadels yesterday
I thought that too but they seem to be working both in the hideout and ziggurat for me the same way, I'll double check but there doesn't seem to be a difference from what I've noticed though.
On one hand, since the atlas is "infinite" and generated procedurally from a seed, I'm thinking that it's just luck and I kinda doubt that the current state of the neighboring tiles (corruption vs no corruption) affects the generation... But on the other hand, it's not impossible at all, so I'm interested in what people find out about that.
I thought it was luck at first but it kept working. Still might be, so I will test more and encourage others to do so as well. Hopefully it does work though, it would ease the pain of people spending a whole day digging for 1 citadel haha
Definitely seed but with certain conditions included, just like lost tower, the map is seeded but the stairs is always the furthest. Just the same case here
Hmm I just spotted a corrupted tower for the first time, so tomorrow I will try and clear it and all the nearby corruption -- to see what happens and if a screen or two away anything happens.
@@shiki325 took me a while, had to do some stuff around the house - but there is a stone citadel I can see now to the left of that corrupted tower. I also cleared most of corrupted maps before it - not sure if it makes a difference, but I may try path a bit more aggresively next time to see if there's a citadel. Maybe we only need to follow the corrupted towers! Thank you Ryan!
@@shabanotti Awesome to hear, I've been clearing the whole area and not just the towers but maybe that isn't necessary, I'll give just doing the towers a try and see if I can do it after a few more tests of my first method.
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE Just followed the corrupted maps from my last citadel I found with your method - without going to a corrupted tower, and it lead me to a new citadel! Maybe just prioritising corrupted maps is what's important? These 2 were really close, I just only now went north.
interesting take. ill def keep and eye out when im clearing the atlas. as far as the towers showing the range every once in awhile its actually a visual bug. if you go to the refuge and click the map device it usually fixes it.
Alright, I'm going to jump in on this and see what I can try and understand. I just did two towers close to each other and the set up at the tops are very very similair. I have 5 tainted paradise on my map atm. I'll start trying to understand the body thing and making post a video on what I can find out or share with you.
Should just be anywhere into the fog about 2 screens out. The reason I chose diagonal for this demonstration is because I had already tried straight up. I explain a bit later in the video but more or less I think you just check a flag when you clear the corruption and the next area generated (about 2 screens from any edge) will just contain one
It was mostly because of the way the landscape seemed to be pointing that made me predict that direction. I've figured more stuff out though so I think I can pick the direction even better now
Have you paid any attention to the dead bodies at the top of each tower? They seem arranged like a compass, as though they're pointing to specific directions. I'm testing that theory, as well as your corruption-clearing theory
I looked into the bodies after seeing your comment last night and I think you are on to something there. Will have a follow up video soon with all the details organized
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE Awesome! I started checking things out and havent' been able to fully confirm for myself yet, but the green arrow designs on the stone floor surrounding the compass-like graphic in the middle sure seem promising. And then there's the different colors and shapes of the fabric on the bodies' faces. I was hoping that maybe the colors corresponded to copper/iron/stone, but all I'm seeing are blue and yellow. Excited to see what you discover
I'm not 100% sure on this, hard to get enough data myself. But it's worked as expected a few times in a row now so I thought I'd share. Let me know if you try this and whether it works or not, I'll be interested to see if I have indeed cracked the code.
PoE is a seed based game, If you and me get same seed, we will have exactly the same atlas, Some activities have large seed pool than others, for example ritual at some point had a relatively small seed pool, as a result people were able to get exactly the same items, like 4 stat abyss jewels with exactly same name, affixes and affix rolls. As for citadel spawn, I'm sure there is a way to 'detect' them from a far, like tower placement/corruption trails or something else should lead you to the citadel. Like different subtle things in zones lead you to the exit/location boss.
@@maudjito cant be sure of what? GGG stated them self that seeds are used everywhere in the game. Even loot you can get in map is generated the moment map is generated, this reduces server load.
@@Kher4m Seeds existing do not neccesarily mean that you cannot have randomness within the system. If the system was designed for it, it would be relatively trival, for example, to replace a node on the map with the citadel, and the replace the nodes around that citadel with different graphics/other zones you'd expect to be around that. The seed is simply a way of tying all the randomness to one variable, so it can be replicated.
This is interesting. It took forever for me to find my first citadel. Level 92. I tried this out today. Found a corrupted tower, cleared it and the surrounding corruption, and then headed into the fog. Found a citadel from the next tower. If this turns out to be true, it's an amazing find.
Awesome, glad you were able to use the info! I refined the process a bit more with the help of some comments and will follow up with better detailed directions
The map generation can both be dependent on your actions and also have a seed. The seed is simply used to feed into random parts of the generation, and if there needs to be non-random parts, it can modified after generation in order to facilitate scripted events as you suggest. Just think of the map generation in the campaign. It is random, because you will not find monsters and terrain in the same place/shapes, but you also definitely find things they pre-programmed for you to find there. As to specifically what system poe2 uses to decide what to put where, I couldn't tell you, but it's definitely possible to have fixed points-of-interests even in randomly generated content.
Gonna try it and share results. I got back to back citadels when i was clearing all the corruption from one zone before, but didnt think it was related
I didn't think it was related the first 2 times either but it kept happening, then I noticed the giant tower rings that show up mostly when clearing corruption and thought maybe there was more to it. Will be interested to see what your results are
Just tried your theory and its maybe luck but a citadel appeared as you say. Cleared a corrupted tower then a few node and 3 screen later I encountered a citadel. EDIT : make it happend 3 times today, definitely not luck
Just cleared two corrupt towers in my atlas and thet lined up perfectly with a Citadel. Moved over to my friends atlas, 2 corrupted towered lined up perfectly to a citadel. I think you may be on to something.
Man I love when people who's attention span has been addled by short form media give me engagement on my videos because they can't imagine that their every thought isn't important enough to share.
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE No ,we got use to just be able to read information online on the fly,now we have to watch 15 minutes worth of videos just for the equivalent of 2 sentences. I understand why ,but il never be an fan of it.
@@JeanFrancoisLampron If I gave 2 sentences of info and didn't explain the reasoning people would dismiss it off hand and also just not get it and complain it isn't working. Particularly when it's something I want others to help figure out, if they understand what brought me to what I am doing they have a better basis to start figuring it out as well.
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man, ggg really need to do something about the atlas navigation, it's terrible, draging the atlas and have no idea which node is at where
Agreed, we need the ability to zoom in and out way more
Yeah, the more maps you do the worse it gets too, I have a ton of zones set up for different farming/atlas trees (Exp farming, rarity farming, certain league mechanics etc.) and finding them when I want to go do them is an absolute pain.
There is something that could proof your theory. Yesterday I had an area in the north where all my nodes ended in a deadend. But I could see that there was no water or mountain in the fog that would stop my progress in that direction. After I used a tablet on the nearest tower to that area the game generated new paths (lines) from my deadends into the foggy area. That indicated to me that the game is generating stuff in the fog on the fly.
I recognized that you can "spot" citadels depending on monster types in your maps (waystones). If you run a swamp, for example, but the skeleton dudes with a shield that reflect projectiles appear in that map (where they don't belong because swap is act 3 and they are act 1 mobs) the "Iron Citadel" (Count Act 1) is nearby.
Something else has changed since then. For weeks towers looked kinda normal, you could see which ones I hadn't done and which ones are cleared, but visually nothing beyond that. Now, some of my towers got a huge flame on the top.
Great input, I'll check into the monster variety more to see if I see the same thing. I've noticed the tower thing too but my early assumption was that it was just because of elevation changes in the fog. For instance I went to see one that stuck out more and it was just on a mountain peak, but I will be on the lookout for the flame you are talking about.
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE It's weird. I got a few hundred hours by now and had never seen the huge flame coming out of the top of a tower until yesterday, now, when I wanted to record it so you could see what I am talking about - it's gone. I had 3 towers close to each other and all had a flame coming out of the golden top. The flame was half the size of the tower, so really easy to see. Should I encounter it again I try to record it and figure out why it appeared.
So I decided to test this theory tonight and just started clearing towards the nearest corrupted tower. When I cleared it another corrupted tower was revealed nearby, so I cleared to that one next, while also clearing the corrupted maps along the way. Each corrupted tower revealed at least one other nearby corrupted tower, either directly visible or in the fog. (You can spot the tentacles on them)
By following this path I was able to find 2 citadels tonight in a few hours of gameplay, ~30 maps cleared in total along the way. This is a small sample size but you very well may be on to something. Hopefully more people will try this technique out so we can test it further.
Great contribution, I'm currently working on a follow-up because with the help of comments I was able to refine the process even more. I spawned a ton of citadels yesterday
Rings disappearing is a visual bug, if you return to Ziggurat Refuge and use your map device there, they will reappear
only until you go back into your hideout..
@@rileystrom8530 Yeah people gave me hope but if not in Ziggurat no circles for me
I thought that too but they seem to be working both in the hideout and ziggurat for me the same way, I'll double check but there doesn't seem to be a difference from what I've noticed though.
On one hand, since the atlas is "infinite" and generated procedurally from a seed, I'm thinking that it's just luck and I kinda doubt that the current state of the neighboring tiles (corruption vs no corruption) affects the generation... But on the other hand, it's not impossible at all, so I'm interested in what people find out about that.
I thought it was luck at first but it kept working. Still might be, so I will test more and encourage others to do so as well. Hopefully it does work though, it would ease the pain of people spending a whole day digging for 1 citadel haha
Definitely seed but with certain conditions included, just like lost tower, the map is seeded but the stairs is always the furthest. Just the same case here
Hmm I just spotted a corrupted tower for the first time, so tomorrow I will try and clear it and all the nearby corruption -- to see what happens and if a screen or two away anything happens.
Awesome. I will be interested to see the outcome. I will also test it in SSF just to see it for myself on a different atlas
Stumbled upon this as I was just 2 maps away from a corrupted tower... testing now! :)
how did it go
@@shiki325 took me a while, had to do some stuff around the house - but there is a stone citadel I can see now to the left of that corrupted tower. I also cleared most of corrupted maps before it - not sure if it makes a difference, but I may try path a bit more aggresively next time to see if there's a citadel. Maybe we only need to follow the corrupted towers!
Thank you Ryan!
@@shabanotti Awesome to hear, I've been clearing the whole area and not just the towers but maybe that isn't necessary, I'll give just doing the towers a try and see if I can do it after a few more tests of my first method.
@@BehindEyesGamingPOElet us know what the results are when you have them!
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE Just followed the corrupted maps from my last citadel I found with your method - without going to a corrupted tower, and it lead me to a new citadel! Maybe just prioritising corrupted maps is what's important? These 2 were really close, I just only now went north.
interesting take. ill def keep and eye out when im clearing the atlas. as far as the towers showing the range every once in awhile its actually a visual bug. if you go to the refuge and click the map device it usually fixes it.
I've tried that and it doesn't seem to make a difference for me, do you have to do a map in the ziggurat and then go back to the hideout?
Alright, I'm going to jump in on this and see what I can try and understand. I just did two towers close to each other and the set up at the tops are very very similair. I have 5 tainted paradise on my map atm. I'll start trying to understand the body thing and making post a video on what I can find out or share with you.
how do u know what direction to go from the corrupted tower after you have cleansed it ?
Should just be anywhere into the fog about 2 screens out. The reason I chose diagonal for this demonstration is because I had already tried straight up. I explain a bit later in the video but more or less I think you just check a flag when you clear the corruption and the next area generated (about 2 screens from any edge) will just contain one
Anecdotal expereince for me matches what youre explaining. Pioneer!
i didnt understand why u predicted the diagonal line couldnt it have been to the straight left?
It was mostly because of the way the landscape seemed to be pointing that made me predict that direction. I've figured more stuff out though so I think I can pick the direction even better now
Have you paid any attention to the dead bodies at the top of each tower? They seem arranged like a compass, as though they're pointing to specific directions. I'm testing that theory, as well as your corruption-clearing theory
I looked into the bodies after seeing your comment last night and I think you are on to something there. Will have a follow up video soon with all the details organized
Oh shiiii 🤓
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE Awesome! I started checking things out and havent' been able to fully confirm for myself yet, but the green arrow designs on the stone floor surrounding the compass-like graphic in the middle sure seem promising. And then there's the different colors and shapes of the fabric on the bodies' faces. I was hoping that maybe the colors corresponded to copper/iron/stone, but all I'm seeing are blue and yellow. Excited to see what you discover
You can allways see tower rings if you go to zigurate refuge. But will test the corrupted tower thingy
I'm not 100% sure on this, hard to get enough data myself. But it's worked as expected a few times in a row now so I thought I'd share. Let me know if you try this and whether it works or not, I'll be interested to see if I have indeed cracked the code.
PoE is a seed based game, If you and me get same seed, we will have exactly the same atlas,
Some activities have large seed pool than others, for example ritual at some point had a relatively small seed pool, as a result people were able to get exactly the same items, like 4 stat abyss jewels with exactly same name, affixes and affix rolls.
As for citadel spawn, I'm sure there is a way to 'detect' them from a far, like tower placement/corruption trails or something else should lead you to the citadel.
Like different subtle things in zones lead you to the exit/location boss.
@@Kher4m We can't be sure of that.
@@maudjito cant be sure of what?
GGG stated them self that seeds are used everywhere in the game.
Even loot you can get in map is generated the moment map is generated, this reduces server load.
@@Kher4m YES, but we can't be sure that same seed = same atlas, and that there's no other mechanics at play.
@@Kher4m Seeds existing do not neccesarily mean that you cannot have randomness within the system. If the system was designed for it, it would be relatively trival, for example, to replace a node on the map with the citadel, and the replace the nodes around that citadel with different graphics/other zones you'd expect to be around that. The seed is simply a way of tying all the randomness to one variable, so it can be replicated.
This is interesting. It took forever for me to find my first citadel. Level 92. I tried this out today. Found a corrupted tower, cleared it and the surrounding corruption, and then headed into the fog. Found a citadel from the next tower. If this turns out to be true, it's an amazing find.
Awesome, glad you were able to use the info! I refined the process a bit more with the help of some comments and will follow up with better detailed directions
Dear sir. Your hypothesis is correct. In 2 maps i found the citadel. I have been looking for it for over 100 maps doing random maps.
The map generation can both be dependent on your actions and also have a seed. The seed is simply used to feed into random parts of the generation, and if there needs to be non-random parts, it can modified after generation in order to facilitate scripted events as you suggest. Just think of the map generation in the campaign. It is random, because you will not find monsters and terrain in the same place/shapes, but you also definitely find things they pre-programmed for you to find there. As to specifically what system poe2 uses to decide what to put where, I couldn't tell you, but it's definitely possible to have fixed points-of-interests even in randomly generated content.
Gonna try it and share results. I got back to back citadels when i was clearing all the corruption from one zone before, but didnt think it was related
I didn't think it was related the first 2 times either but it kept happening, then I noticed the giant tower rings that show up mostly when clearing corruption and thought maybe there was more to it. Will be interested to see what your results are
Fun theory gonna give this a go, thanks for sharing!
Just tried your theory and its maybe luck but a citadel appeared as you say. Cleared a corrupted tower then a few node and 3 screen later I encountered a citadel. EDIT : make it happend 3 times today, definitely not luck
Just cleared two corrupt towers in my atlas and thet lined up perfectly with a Citadel. Moved over to my friends atlas, 2 corrupted towered lined up perfectly to a citadel. I think you may be on to something.
Great to hear, I'm working on a follow-up with more details. I think I fully get it now
There is definitely something in this, it worked for me as well several times.
I think so too. I refined the process a bit so will update soon with more details
@ awesome
Hmm just did my first corrupted tower and boom Citadel revealed.
Seems to be something to it. It's working for most people who are trying it
I didn't find any
holy shit a 1 minute video turned into a movie
I will try that. have a corrupted tower close by on my map
The GOAT has finally been recommended to me for PoE 2 LET'S FUCKING GOOOO
If a citadel says "Failed" while you killed the boss - you had to kill all enemies in the area before the boss.
Glad I read that ty 😂
@@MangoHero247 With "Iron Citadel" it's just often a visual bug.
No you cant lmao so much bullshit wrapped up in a video.
So I assume you've been spending the last 2-3 days testing this method too then huh?
@BehindEyesGamingPOE ive tested pretty much everything I see on yt yes.
man i hate videos that could be done in 1 minute that go on and on and on and on and on and on
Man I love when people who's attention span has been addled by short form media give me engagement on my videos because they can't imagine that their every thought isn't important enough to share.
@@BehindEyesGamingPOE No ,we got use to just be able to read information online on the fly,now we have to watch 15 minutes worth of videos just for the equivalent of 2 sentences. I understand why ,but il never be an fan of it.
@@JeanFrancoisLampron If I gave 2 sentences of info and didn't explain the reasoning people would dismiss it off hand and also just not get it and complain it isn't working. Particularly when it's something I want others to help figure out, if they understand what brought me to what I am doing they have a better basis to start figuring it out as well.