Memories. I arrived at work, Dallam Loco Shed, Warrington one summer afternoon in 1968 for the 2.5 Warrington East Leigh freight.Our loco 70013 recently out of Crewe works. Climbing out of Warrington Arpley we arrived at Acton Grange junction to wait to be turned out mainline for Crewe.The driver and I struggled for over 20 minutes to get either of the injectors to work, eventually, I was sent to the box to ask to be turned inside in order to knock the fire out as things were getting serious, however on my way I heard the whistle which was a signal to say that the driver had got them working and we continued to Crewe, I remember people watching as we arrived, we left Oliver on Crewe South Shed. I have never forgotten that day I'm 74 now
Yep, the rise out of Keighley Station is an absolute b****! It's caught out numerous Pacific locomotives in its time. Purely because they are designed for flat and straight high speed running. The run out of this station is steep and on a curve! If I'm honest I'm surprised it managed it in the first place! 😂
Great peace of video, best I've seen for a long time. Managed to see Oliver Cromwell at Victoria and Liverpool Street nice to see her working hard again.
Back in 1961 I climbed aboard ‘ Oliver’ in Longsight sheds, (9A) Manchester. She’d been put to sleep for the night, I wrote a brief note to the effect that I-had been there and enjoyed the magnificent footplate. I pushed the note right down the back of the drivers seat between the leather backing and the steel supporting frame . I don’t think it’s likely to be still there, or even the same chair. Great memories though. 4 30 pm next day and on many other occasions, copped her flying through’ withington and west didsbury ‘on the Manchester Central, London St. Pancreas express. And here she still is🤗
@@Gary-cvr23 The S160 can deliver some Db's, I've seen it running at the ELR many years ago and when it climbed the bank to Heywood you could hear it clearly from a relatively quiet place in Bury.
fantastic opening , thanks for sharing , liked and subscribed , last time i saw cromwell she was passing floating barge at dawlish when sea wall was being fixed
Stunning displays, but it took practice to get star ted at Keighley. The bank coupled with the curve makes it a big challenge. But she did better than one of the visiting Bulleids which are known for their slipping.
'Brutally' stunning?? ...And, how anyone can stand to have such a magnificent majestic example of a masterpiece of engineering named after such a despicable tyrant just amazes me. The tragedy of the English conquest of Ireland in the 17th century is that the Irish can never forget it and the English can never remember it.
OC may have been a despicable tyrant in Irish eyes, but his direct action in England prevented a runaway brutal undemocratic monarchy. Brilliant class of locos though.
Sorry my friend. It just doesn’t hold water to say ‘one cancels the other’. Findsss a properly *deserving* name to be put on the locomotive. And yes, before it gets too het up, it does make the hair on my back stand up, I’m just awe inspired by this beauty.
My memory of Oliver Cromwell is from FA Cup Final day 1966, Everton v Sheff. Wednesday. I wanted to go train spotting onto Preston station and my mum wouldn't let me go on my own so my Gran came with me. She sat and read her magazine whilst I collected the numbers. Oliver Cromwell came through pulling a goods train sometime in the middle of the afternoon. It had clearly only just come out of a clean up as it was just as sparkly as it is in this film. Will we ever see it in steam again?
Maybe not too long from now we wont see sights like this , make the most of it .it will all be a distant memory . i am lucky that i can just remember the last days of steam , this is one awesome vid of a steam engine doing what it was designed too do .
Obviously, that starting section out of Keighley is difficult even for large locomotives, particularly when it's wet. The trains that are illustrated in this series of videos are not heavy five or six coaches at best. Can a bank engine be programmed in just to give a little help around the first bend? After all, no one will mind, it's got to be better than spinning up the drive wheels (and wearing out the tyres) of the valuable steam engines when even a diesel would be better than flogging these old girls just to keep to schedule around the first bend. After all bank engines were used extensively during the age of steam. I can remember many bank engines working out Bromsgrove on the Lickey incline and it would generate more interest at Keighley. Just a thought and no criticism of the staff of the railway that were trying their best under difficult conditions.
Skilful use of the regulator there to control and minimise the slipping! So glad this engine was saved for the nation, she’s a beauty! Do any others in her class survive? What about about Brittania herself?
Wheel slip is inevitable in some circumstances, but it is a very bad thing for the engine. I had a footplate experience on a BR Class 4 tank engine - birthday present. At the intermediate station, the driver said to me, "She'll wheel slip here sometimes". I thought, "Not if I can help it!" So I opened the regulator just far enough to start away, but the driver gave it a great shove and slip she did. Quick as I could I closed the regulator and opened again much as before. I heard some time later that the engine had to be in the shops for repairs, having suffered bent rods. I have always wondered it that driver (or maybe others) had repeatedly done as he had, just for the fun of it. I think it is far more skilful to avoid it whenever possible.
Nice seeing the locomotive starting out, hearing it under load and seeing everything in detail. "7F"? "Big Jim"? Why is the cylinder exhaust *[1]* 2 3 4 *[1]* 2 3 4 ? Two locomotives for five cars? "carriages" Would rather hear one locomotive under load than 2 expending littleffort.
@@robertgift Yeah, I agree. Unless they were playing it safe because of the amount of trouble pulling off solo which is rather strange as the normal KWVR engines never struggle like this (even the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4T which puts out 20% less traction). Cromwell clearly had good boiler pressure too as the release valve kept going off. It's possibly due to the driver as they'd have got a better start if they backed up to create slack between the coaches and thought about using the sander.
@@snowjohnb Boiler blowing off, sanders on, starting from a steep gradient and on a tight curve, plenty to keep the Driver occupied I agree... but he knows his steed and finally finds the regulator at 9.30!
*During his rise to power, Oliver Cromwell made many enemies, including his former ally Anne Boleyn. He played a prominent role in her downfall. ... Cromwell was arraigned under a bill of attainder and on Tower Hill on 28 July 1540. The king later expressed regret at the loss of his chief minister.*
When I was a very little boy, and I saw a tank engine connected up like that, I would say it was a "back to front" engine. I still do now! She's running "back to front engine". Must be senile.
blaggercoyote, because its was working at the time on a preserved Railway (heritage railroad) that only has a turntable at the shed (roundhouse). They are fine to work forward and or reverse. Its just like they used to work in service upto the 1960's.
En mi ciudad hay locomotoras asi pero no funcionan solo una funciona pero nunca hace recorridos con personas 😔 En otros pueblos estan abandonados a la intérperie deteriorándose😠😠que rabia.
The latest video I viewed showed Angry Ollie , running on a boiler that its worthiness had expired , how foolish is that , now The fools who looked at playing around with the rules of common sense are found wanting ?
I think it extremely unlikely that anybody would fire a ticket expired boiler. More likely you viewed a video taken shortly before expiration and shown shortly after. Anybody breaching the dates would have their competences suspended and the entire operation would be investigated.
"Brutally stunning displays" ! Huh, where ? Obviously "john snow" has no experience of steam locos. They always hiss, blow steam from drain cocks, and make lots of ruddy noise. Why do you think we abolished them back in 1968. Couldn't get a wink of sleep in the back of the engine shed, damn hissing behemoths.
That's a proper locomotive not that shit used on the Southern Region which were all noise and no go, I used to live next to the London to Holyhead railway line near Rhyl and see the Southern Class Locos struggle up the slight incline between Prestatyn and Rhyl. Every other region engines romped it with more coaches in tow.
Useful if you could clarify please as I don't think Southern engines were on that route (North Wales) during the BR steam era. Prior to that it was GWR territory. In fairness to the Southern loco's and the Merchants, yes, they were poor steamers in the early days, but in rebuilt form and with good firing techniques, could easily outperform a BR standard 6. or 7.
Clive Meredith. Oh I forgot to mention the London to Holyhead and Manchester to Holyhead line was Never GWR territory through Prestatyn and Rhyl it's was always LMS, the only time I ever saw a GWR loco on that line was one of the Specials but never while BR were running things.
What a beautiful beast of a locomotive, stunning to witness, thank you.
Memories. I arrived at work, Dallam Loco Shed, Warrington one summer afternoon in 1968 for the 2.5 Warrington East Leigh freight.Our loco 70013 recently out of Crewe works. Climbing out of Warrington Arpley we arrived at Acton Grange junction to wait to be turned out mainline for Crewe.The driver and I struggled for over 20 minutes to get either of the injectors to work, eventually, I was sent to the box to ask to be turned inside in order to knock the fire out as things were getting serious, however on my way I heard the whistle which was a signal to say that the driver had got them working and we continued to Crewe, I remember people watching as we arrived, we left Oliver on Crewe South Shed. I have never forgotten that day I'm 74 now
Truly Magnificent Engine, I've added this to my Collection of Buitifull Engine's, 😊
Excellent footage , i bet the exhaust beat can be heard all over the town ....fantastic ...
Excellent piece of film , the driver did a good job of getting up the rising curve out of Keighley Station.
Yep, the rise out of Keighley Station is an absolute b****!
It's caught out numerous Pacific locomotives in its time. Purely because they are designed for flat and straight high speed running. The run out of this station is steep and on a curve!
If I'm honest I'm surprised it managed it in the first place! 😂
Cracking work. Brilliant sound! 👍
Love that sound and what a beautiful locomotive.
who is watching this that love locomotives
Fired olly 60s great loco like sitting in a rolls royce after firing austeritis and and lots of other locos 😆
Creacking,clear video Thankyou for sharing this with us xx
Wonderful steamy start 🤩 I noticed that there was a USA engine in the midst at one point🇺🇸...that was cool to see! Quite enjoyable! 🥰
0:06 Wait, a LNWR Webb Coal Tank is preserved? Oh that is wonderful! Nice run, too, Mr. Cromwell!
Greetings from Western Germany! 🇩🇪
Western Germany? It is 2020. The country is Germany ? sicherlich?
Great peace of video, best I've seen for a long time. Managed to see Oliver Cromwell at Victoria and Liverpool Street nice to see her working hard again.
Back in 1961 I climbed aboard ‘ Oliver’ in Longsight sheds, (9A) Manchester. She’d been put to sleep for the night, I wrote a brief note to the effect that I-had been there and enjoyed the magnificent footplate. I pushed the note right down the back of the drivers seat between the leather backing and the steel supporting frame . I don’t think it’s likely to be still there, or even the same chair. Great memories though. 4 30 pm next day and on many other occasions, copped her flying through’ withington and west didsbury ‘on the Manchester Central, London St. Pancreas express. And here she still is🤗
At 9:55 - Never realized until now that the sound we used to make as kids is actually the exact way a steam train sounds in real life.
Louder than a S160, that says a lot.
Thanks for this wonderful footage.
Ive heard s160 no 5197 climbing the bank on its home base the churnet valley railway and it was painful to listen to with the voulume
@@Gary-cvr23 The S160 can deliver some Db's, I've seen it running at the ELR many years ago and when it climbed the bank to Heywood you could hear it clearly from a relatively quiet place in Bury.
@@Tom-Lahaye yeah there not everybodys faveroute locos but i like them oliver cromwell is still a fantastic loco though
Impressive... Takes me back sixty years!
Here are some very nice dramatic shots requiring a considerable amount of patience. Well done and thank you very much. Excellent!
Fantastic start and never lets up
That’s a steep climb out of Keighly station and on a curve. Right on the edge of slipping.
fantastic opening , thanks for sharing , liked and subscribed , last time i saw cromwell she was passing floating barge at dawlish when sea wall was being fixed
Great filming; thanks very much.
Your right that is some Stunning footage and a Stunning Locomotive - I Liked & Subscribed 👍😎
My favourite of all the big boy/girl loco's especially when he's "Angry Ollie."
They all survive in the great marshalling yards in the sky. Only saw Polmadies 70049 Solway Firth as recently as last week,70046 Anzac was there too.
Fantastic sound on departure and what a cracking display
Much more distinguished people than yourself designed it that way!
keplermission speak English Wft you on about weirdo
I'm a train and I approve this video! Choo choo!
Stunning displays, but it took practice to get star ted at Keighley. The bank coupled with the curve makes it a big challenge. But she did better than one of the visiting Bulleids which are known for their slipping.
Great sounds
Awesome opening footage of BR 70013 Oliver Cromwell releasing a fog of steam when leaving the station
'Brutally' stunning?? ...And, how anyone can stand to have such a magnificent majestic example of a masterpiece of engineering named after such a despicable tyrant just amazes me. The tragedy of the English conquest of Ireland in the 17th century is that the Irish can never forget it and the English can never remember it.
OC may have been a despicable tyrant in Irish eyes, but his direct action in England prevented a runaway brutal undemocratic monarchy. Brilliant class of locos though.
Sorry my friend. It just doesn’t hold water to say ‘one cancels the other’.
Findsss a properly *deserving* name to be put on the locomotive. And yes, before it gets too het up, it does make the hair on my back stand up, I’m just awe inspired by this beauty.
opening shot at Keighley station, Oliver Cromwell releases a fog of steam
Awesome power !!!
My memory of Oliver Cromwell is from FA Cup Final day 1966, Everton v Sheff. Wednesday. I wanted to go train spotting onto Preston station and my mum wouldn't let me go on my own so my Gran came with me. She sat and read her magazine whilst I collected the numbers. Oliver Cromwell came through pulling a goods train sometime in the middle of the afternoon. It had clearly only just come out of a clean up as it was just as sparkly as it is in this film.
Will we ever see it in steam again?
Maybe not too long from now we wont see sights like this , make the most of it .it will all be a distant memory . i am lucky that i can just remember the last days of steam , this is one awesome vid of a steam engine doing what it was designed too do .
Obviously, that starting section out of Keighley is difficult even for large locomotives, particularly when it's wet. The trains that are illustrated in this series of videos are not heavy five or six coaches at best. Can a bank engine be programmed in just to give a little help around the first bend? After all, no one will mind, it's got to be better than spinning up the drive wheels (and wearing out the tyres) of the valuable steam engines when even a diesel would be better than flogging these old girls just to keep to schedule around the first bend. After all bank engines were used extensively during the age of steam. I can remember many bank engines working out Bromsgrove on the Lickey incline and it would generate more interest at Keighley. Just a thought and no criticism of the staff of the railway that were trying their best under difficult conditions.
Hes a big bad tempered brute,,and i loved him...
Fabulous stuff!
3:38, always gotta have a bit of wheel slip, just looks bliss that does
At least you're looking after it all, it was paid for by the whole of the British Empire, not just England.
Cool!
Really cool that when so much is going on the lovely engine at 0:10 is just a sideshow :)
One of the very few LNWR locos in preservation ;-)
Great Sound
Oliver Cromwell double heading with USA 5820, and BR 75078
I love trains
Y is there steam coming from the carriages? Do they have heating systems from steam or something?
Yep, steam heating, piped from the loco
God she is a leviathan isn't she, that huge firebox says it all...
The firebox had gone rusty, but your right, the Britannia’s are such beasts!
at 10.mins 40 secs, why are the coaches relatively unoccupied? certainly not apparently full of sitting down folk?
Great video. Magnificent sights and sounds. Just don't let the "Snowflakes" see all that smoke and steam!!
Skilful use of the regulator there to control and minimise the slipping! So glad this engine was saved for the nation, she’s a beauty! Do any others in her class survive? What about about Brittania herself?
Yes brittania survives and is based at crewe, she is owned by Jeremy hoskings, under the icons of steam
Carriage and Wagon boys need to get working on those steam heating leaks in the coaches.
Wheel slip is inevitable in some circumstances, but it is a very bad thing for the engine. I had a footplate experience on a BR Class 4 tank engine - birthday present. At the intermediate station, the driver said to me, "She'll wheel slip here sometimes". I thought, "Not if I can help it!" So I opened the regulator just far enough to start away, but the driver gave it a great shove and slip she did. Quick as I could I closed the regulator and opened again much as before. I heard some time later that the engine had to be in the shops for repairs, having suffered bent rods. I have always wondered it that driver (or maybe others) had repeatedly done as he had, just for the fun of it. I think it is far more skilful to avoid it whenever possible.
But doesn't turning on the sander reduce wheel slip? Surely they could just use that?
Why all the steam from the front these days. Never saw it when steam was on main line in the 60’s
So can someone tell me please. Which action creates each steam from where its blown out? I see it blown out in front and upwards nearer to the cab?
The old train very...... ..."Wuuuuussssss...Whoooossss........Aaaaach.....!!!!"
Withe cylinder vent pipes (to drain water condensate from the cylinders) facing forward, are theyvetting the rail which then promotes wheel slip?
Properly Cromwellian. Loud, serious; powerful. Your basic no nonsense steamer.
I am from India. Can anyone educate me as to why the compartments are letting out steam?please see at 6.30 onwards
Steam heated carriages.
There seems to be a fashion to misuse the word brutal.
Nice seeing the locomotive starting out, hearing it under load and seeing everything in detail. "7F"? "Big Jim"?
Why is the cylinder exhaust *[1]* 2 3 4 *[1]* 2 3 4 ?
Two locomotives for five cars? "carriages" Would rather hear one locomotive under load than 2 expending littleffort.
Would rather have two working steam locos pulling a train, as it keeps both engines in working condition, which is what preservation is all about.
@@bushranger51 Would rather each locomotive be pulling its own train.
Two looks ridiculous.
@@robertgift Almost as ridiculous as your comment?
@@TheCaptainsquiggle Two locomotives pulling five cars does not look laughably ridiculous?
That is funny.
@@robertgift Yeah, I agree. Unless they were playing it safe because of the amount of trouble pulling off solo which is rather strange as the normal KWVR engines never struggle like this (even the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4T which puts out 20% less traction). Cromwell clearly had good boiler pressure too as the release valve kept going off. It's possibly due to the driver as they'd have got a better start if they backed up to create slack between the coaches and thought about using the sander.
lovely "Pacific"
saw her at shildon NRM
at 6mins 50sec, why are all the red coaches oozing two steams at their "bottoms"?
Steam heated
Good to see the driver finally getting the hang of things at 9.30
It was a tricky few minutes!
@@snowjohnb Boiler blowing off, sanders on, starting from a steep gradient and on a tight curve, plenty to keep the Driver occupied I agree... but he knows his steed and finally finds the regulator at 9.30!
*During his rise to power, Oliver Cromwell made many enemies, including his former ally Anne Boleyn. He played a prominent role in her downfall. ... Cromwell was arraigned under a bill of attainder and on Tower Hill on 28 July 1540. The king later expressed regret at the loss of his chief minister.*
I'm afraid you are confusing Oliver Cromwell (an evil man) with Thomas Cromwell (an evil man),
WOW SMOKE SCREEN GOOD
A good job it cleared before passing us!
Wonderful subject! But, way too much deadtime; probably could have edited this down sub-15minutes.
Why, each time we see it, 'tis going in a different direction forward, reverse, forward, reverse?
Always loved the sound of steam, diesel is so dull.
Ik, it's almost like they can't turn it round! *tut*
When I was a very little boy, and I saw a tank engine connected up like that, I would say it was a "back to front" engine. I still do now! She's running "back to front engine". Must be senile.
blaggercoyote, because its was working at the time on a preserved Railway (heritage railroad) that only has a turntable at the shed (roundhouse). They are fine to work forward and or reverse. Its just like they used to work in service upto the 1960's.
I think it was designed and Built at Derby 1951
GrrMeister yep.. most of the standard 7s were built in December of 1951
Is the English rail the same gauge track
Same gauge as the USA and most of Europe (4'8.5")
Tom Clifton Thamks
@@mrpaulgrimm6129 the track gauge is the same but the loading gauge is smaller
Very good!
En mi ciudad hay locomotoras asi pero no funcionan solo una funciona pero nunca hace recorridos con personas 😔
En otros pueblos estan abandonados a la intérperie deteriorándose😠😠que rabia.
One day author was talking to Murdoch, but Murdoch wanted peace and quiet so he wished author
Sorry but Murdoch is an 9F
It's alive!
The latest video I viewed showed Angry Ollie , running on a boiler that its worthiness had expired , how foolish is that , now The fools who looked at playing around with the rules of common sense are found wanting ?
I think it extremely unlikely that anybody would fire a ticket expired boiler. More likely you viewed a video taken shortly before expiration and shown shortly after. Anybody breaching the dates would have their competences suspended and the entire operation would be investigated.
STUNNING ??? eh
"Brutally stunning displays" ! Huh, where ? Obviously "john snow" has no experience of steam locos. They always hiss, blow steam from drain cocks, and make lots of ruddy noise. Why do you think we abolished them back in 1968. Couldn't get a wink of sleep in the back of the engine shed, damn hissing behemoths.
Angry Ollie
That's a proper locomotive not that shit used on the Southern Region which were all noise and no go, I used to live next to the London to Holyhead railway line near Rhyl and see the Southern Class Locos struggle up the slight incline between Prestatyn and Rhyl. Every other region engines romped it with more coaches in tow.
All true, but would a Merchant Navy have beaten the Mallard speed record given the opportunity?
Useful if you could clarify please as I don't think Southern engines were on that route (North Wales) during the BR steam era. Prior to that it was GWR territory. In fairness to the Southern loco's and the Merchants, yes, they were poor steamers in the early days, but in rebuilt form and with good firing techniques, could easily outperform a BR standard 6. or 7.
Clive Meredith. Your right they were never on the North Wales line when it was BR. These trips were organised by rail club specials around 2016.
Clive Meredith. Oh I forgot to mention the London to Holyhead and Manchester to Holyhead line was Never GWR territory through Prestatyn and Rhyl it's was always LMS, the only time I ever saw a GWR loco on that line was one of the Specials but never while BR were running things.
Can you go wash the engine......
Hold my beer....0:40
Very original.......
I’m not impressed. UP4014 rules the world of locomotion. He’s got it right. You might be a distant second with your soprano voice.
Judith mate why did you even bother commenting
If you're not impressed why comment you stupid fat yank. Video is about our steam not your crxp railways. So pissarro off.
It was brutal to my eardrums as this was edited ! And I like catchy titles to get people to be interested. thanks for watching and your comment .
Do never electric and diesel locomotives slip?
Yes,