A4s: The Long Goodbye (short)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The Great Goodbye at Locomotion, the National Railway Museums annexe in Shildon, County Durham, was the last NRM event to bring together all six surviving Gresley A4 Pacific locomotives in a year of celebrations commemorating the 75th anniversary of 4468 Mallard setting the world speed record for steam traction.
Three of the six still run. This film shows 4464 Bittern on her way and getting settled at Shildon. The weather was too awful (for me anyway) to go and film 60009 Union of South Africa arriving with Mallard and 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley managed to evade the attention of the website that was supposed to be following it and got there before I even left the house but there's some footage of the preparations then all three runners on brake-van rides during the event.
Websites
Locomotion: www.nrm.org.uk/...
The National Railway Museum: www.nrm.org.uk
The Sir Nigel Gresley Locomotive Preservation Trust: www.sirnigelgre...
The Gresley Society: www.gresley.org
The LNER Encyclopedia: www.lner.info
Since posting Darlington Council has thought better of closing Darlington Railway Museum. Indeed it is looking forward to extensive renovation as the centre of almost a railway heritage park taking in surviving railway buildings nearby and a new building for the A1 Steam Trust with a welcome rail connection to the Bishop Line.
Work should be completed in time for the 200th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington Railway opening.
Since UA-cam has removed the pauses the held the captions on screen. A new version has been posted with extended captions.
There is now a new version of this video with longer lasting captions for those of you who have commented that they go by too quickly for reasons explained below but also can't read text on paused video due to platform limitations.
I took my dad here shortly before he passed away , he stood next to the mallard and said , I stood next to it as a young lad , now I'm standing next to it as an old man
Funny ... what elderly parents have to do to please their grownup children.
keplermission wow you seem like a dick
@@JimbobsTransportVideos yeah ngl
Itz Rookie808 thank you sir for not lying the world is saved!
@@keplermission Maybe you will one day develop some wisdom, but I wouldn't count on it.
Thanks for your reply regarding The Deltic engines, 😊,
There’s actually a rarely seen 7th A4 in existence. She was built at Warren Truck Assembly in Warren Michigan and is now owned and operated by my family. Painstakingly repainted in LNER Garter Blue, she is America’s Mallard.
I've Googled that to no avail- is there anything on the .net about it?
@@TimRuffle soon. She is owned by me, and she is being revealed on July 29th 2023 to mark the Tenth Anniversary of my favorite movie.
Still nothing to compare with watching these wonderful engines at speed during their working lifetime for BR. Many of them used to go thrashing through East and West Ardsley (between Leeds and Wakefield) on a regular basis, and to stand by the track side, separated only by a wooden fence was the REAL experience, never to be forgotten.
Thanks for the comment. Nothing to really compare with your memories here I'm afraid but I hope you enjoyed the film.
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I know how you feel Ron
Our fave was a few miles north of Grantham on the Elizabethan Going full chat .That was the best chance of seeing the Scottish A4s. Grantham was also a good place for the north eastern streaks as it was a turn round to return north . Another thing about Grantham many ex plant Pacific's were run in from Doncaster before returning .
I agree with your sentiments but the Leeds-Wakefield rail line does/did not run through West Ardsley. On the other side of the line from East Ardsley station to the sheds at the Falls is the village of Thorpe (on-the hill). West Ardsley is at least a mile away (past Ambler's Mill across Bradford Rd.). Nonetheless you are correct that we could see all these great locos not least because of the sheds. Both my granddads were drivers and lived in Thorpe. My mum's dad took Mallard from Leeds to the Ardsley sheds for a re-fit sometime in the 50s and gave my dad a ride on the footplate from Beeston.
impossible not to say the streaks were absolutely beautiful!
It's possible. Wrong but possible.
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Impossible not to say the claimed 126 mph land speed record. What happened to Britain? They were never as good as they'd hoped and today cricket scores have much to tell.
@@keplermission Britain ruled a hug chunk of Earth and civilised it though now most of those former colonies is pretty barbaric.
Proper locomotives
I was born just before the end of steam and my memory doesn't go so far back so I make no apology for liking Diesels and shall yield to no-one in my love for Deltics. That having been said I think you have to have something amiss between the ears not to appreciate Sir Nigel's finest to some extent.
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You can keep your Deltics mate. I am sorry for you for missing out on the thrill of an A4 sounding off a mile before a station such as Grantham. The lads calling out " streak streak " The A4s in that BR green. By the way the colour of Union doesn't look quite right. My mate and I stood on Peterborough when Mallard stopped on an up passenger. The crew made our day by allowing us on the footplate .Those Were the days.nut
Sorry your comment didn't appear straight away- can't see why but it was flagged as spam by UA-cam.
I will keep the Deltics thank you very much. I only saw them for about six months in traffic long after they were demoted to secondary services by the HSTs but they still made quite an impression. You can certainly hear a Deltic coming from a mile away and it never ceases to thrill me but I can assure you I derive no little pleasure from hearing and seeing a big kettle. I can't criticize anyone for favouring an A4 and hope you can agree with me that they're both great machines.
There's a subtle difference between Union of South Africa and Dwight D. Eisenhower perhaps just because Dwight has a new paint job. There could be quite a lot of variation between individual loco's with supposedly standard liveries.
Hope you enjoyed the film.
TimRuffle
great film must agree. Deltic v A4 don't agree also the colour of Union is deffo wrong. All the same you done a great job. Cheers Bobby.
@@MrsBobby-gy5of TimRuffle exactly the same happened to me on Peterborough North in the late fifties. I was standing on my own at the end of the platform on a Saturday morning drooling at Mallard when the driver asked me if I wanted to come up onto on the footplate. I can still feel the heat and smell the smell sixty years later!
Absolutely wonderful.
The unloading off the trailer .... didn't expect that ! Brilliant !
Various scenes in this video make it even more precious.
A truly amazing spectacle. Well done to everyone involved who arranged it.
10 years late but that "pop-pop" sound is the squeak of each chuff
Proud to be a Brit when I see this
Im from New Zealand and these Gresley a4s are phenomenal. In our own country our rail system was nothing but a joke and still is.
Oh I don't know about that- there may not be the demand for high speed rail but there's some outstanding railway engineering in New Zealand like the Midland Line.
You have some great routes especially Tranzalpine.
2:26 Bittern emerging from the steam looks awesome
Great video and I got to see the 6 A4's there too.
Thank you- I'm glad you enjoyed it. There was a teriffic atmosphere with lots of families and casual visitors there and I hope I captured some sense of it.
Excellent video.
Diesel Dude Railway got
One sight to behold.....
6 a4s remain as of 2022.
Out of 35, only six. No one really in-depth looks into a4s. The average train guy only knows the a4 for mallards speed record.
My grandfather was around at the time that mallard and her class was grand spanking new.
My favorite a4 is number 60009 which also appeared in this video at 4:43 I love engines like this. Scotsman mey have 2 tenders and be the main character in the steam engine trilogy that started in 1800 but she will never be the best. The a4s will always manage to outshine her.
The A4's Whistle... the best in the known Universe... probably. I'm old enough to have seen these babies in action on the ECML many moons ago... and the Deltics including the blue prototype.
Youngsters today up in their bedrooms on the play stations etc, don't know theyze born as we say dahn sarf ... oh and ooop norf.
I fully agree about the whistle, although the sound is dual toned, almost 'American', I prefer it to the standard British one. Heard in the distance, it is very haunting.
@@MrDaiseymay Despite that Philip, my all time favourite steam Locomotives are the LMS Coronation Class Pacifics on the WCML. To my ears, they had a very poor "ugly" sounding "whistle" more like a poor factory workers end of shift change noise... I was twelve when standing on Tamworth High Level as the Mid-Day Scot northbound flashed through. 46237 City of Bristol. That was the very first time I saw one of Stanier's magnificent machines at high speed. Those Four Cylinders ( one more than the A4's ) mean eight power pulses for every rotation of those big driving wheels. Those power pulses and their exhausting sounds merge into one continuous glorious sound at high speed. A sound as impressive as any Formula 1 Racing Car ... but not as impressive as Mike Hailwood's magnificent Honda Six Grand Prix machine all of which I had the pleasure of seeing and hearing in action back in those now far away days. Sir William Stanier had a thoroughbred background. I believe he learnt his design skills whilst he was at Swindon. The origin and home of the Four Cylinder Kings and Castles all of which I have seen at high speed back in the day. Yes, marvellous memories long gone but never forgotten. It's fifty years since Concord first flew. Saw one of the prototypes above my home several times when it was being assessed at nearby Fairford prior to entering service. Droop snoop and ungainly undercarriage deployed on those early test flights whilst literally hanging about low in the sky overhead. A4s, Coronation Pacifics, Concord you name it.... Us Brits used to make some fine stuff. Where did it all go right? ...Meantime.. . Youngsters today don't know theyze born as we used to say down south,, oh yes, and up north... :) Cue my young sons asking... Did you really go to work on a steam train Dad? Yes son, many times. "You must be very old"... :doh:... ;-)
@@T16MGJ Not sure you entirely right about the four cylinders. Typically* in a four cylinder loco' the cylinders, which I'll number 1 (outside left), 2, 3 (both together inside the frames) and 4 (outside right), work in pairs so 1 and 3 are in sync with each other as are 2 and 4. I imagine this evens the stresses out across the driving axle and it also means that you only need two sets of valves- one for each pair of cylinders. Like a two cylinder loco' though they would still chuff at four beats to the bar.
* Not including compound designs.
I drive trains on my PC. Hope you liked the film.
The Southern 'Lord Nelsons', I believe, were eight to the bar...
My favorite one there is sir Nigel gresley😏
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 37 Octagon and Every 17 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 142MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 142MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 17 Tonnes for all of those 142MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!! And please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
No offence but I had to stop reading this because I felt a nose-bleed coming on. Can you break it down into paragraphs and sentences?
In what way does this comment apply to this video. Read the title of the video. Assuming you can read, or have some intelligence.
will the engines every meet up again?
Only if someone puts together another programme of special events like this. Hope you enjoyed the film.
Improve the facilities at Shildon now!
A new building is due to open in time for the 200th anniversary of the Stockton and Darlington Railway in 2025. There's info' about that on their website. Darlington Railway Museum is getting a similarly extensive refurbishment and expansion.
It's worth noting that Locomotion was originally intended just as overflow storage for the NRM before it occured to someone to open it as a museum.
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Wow! these steak engines never get scrapped just today there many of them
Steam*not steak
xD
How many of these locomotives could be operated without massive amounts of money being spent one or two Mallard will never run neither will the two overseas Bittern boiler cert is about to run out that leaves just 2
almost all the A4 gang is now on static display with only bittern and gresley to be active for now
That’s Art Deco
You're dead right- Art Deco was extremely influential at the time and almost everything looked streamlined. I think I'd argue that the aesthetic applied more to the LMS Streamliners (Princess Coronation class where the farings were just sort of cobbled on) but, in both cases, there was a considerable effort to make the streamlining effective rather than just cosmetic.
somehow I saw this locomotive, like I saw a sperm whale
Aptly named
3:38 what are those carriages in the background
I don't know. Something awaiting restoration.
I think they are LNER teak coaches which are in a bad state.
Icklebean03 OK, I thought they were GWR wagons or furness railway
tanklord99 da boss LNER teak Coaches that are in bad shape and can be restored or used for scrap
Pure style!
Well done Sir Nigel Gresley, you created icons.
I know- you can't read that fast...
When I posted this it was possible to add pauses in UA-cam. Since I don't have that fast a connection I took advantage of this by keeping the text screens to a couple of seconds which significantly reduced the size of the video file and thus the amount of time it took to upload which was already hours. UA-cam has since removed this feature and now has removed the pauses.
It should be easy enough to pause the video but a comment from WashingtonSAFC (below) revealed to me that UA-cam applications on some devices (for no doubt excvellent reasons) obscure part of the screen making them illegible. The captions have now been reproduced in the video description which I hope will make them accessible to more viewers.
If you pause a video now (whilst casting onto your TV, which is the way I watch videos, at least), a stupid block of black screen covers the bottom about 50/60% of the screen. So pausing it would be futile, now.. Some recent 'improvement' to the UA-cam app, it's no doubt classed as..
I was there on the Wednesday, what a glorious sight. I found this video by total accident/good luck. I wasn't searching for it, it just showed up on my feed,, pleased it did.
@@WashingtonSAFC I wonder what whoever designed the YouYube App on your telly thought its users needed a pause button for- massive own goal. As you were there I doubt there's much in the text you don't already know. I'm still not keen to spend several hours reposting the vid' but but I'll reproduce the text in the pinned comment for anyone in the same boat.
I'm glad that you could enjoyed the film anyway, thank you for your comment, and hope it didn't spoilt things too much.
@@TimRuffle Oh dear, it's not a "UA-cam app on my tele", it's watching a video on my tele whilst playing it on my mobile and casting it via Google Chromecast.
It happens with my OnePlus 9, my LG, the Missus OnePlus 8.
And it happens on our new 55" Toshiba in the living room, our 43" JVC in the bedroom, our 40" JVC in our caravan.
Using 3 different Chromecast dongles, each in a different device, from the two latest generations of Chromecast (Bearing in mind, if it's Chromecast that's the problem - and not the mobile phones, the various TVs, or your unfeasible writing - it's probably fair to say that Chromecast is probably the most common casting device, so it's also fair to say that it's not just me that has the problem with your video).
@@WashingtonSAFC Regardless of the device being used blanking half the screen when a video is paused is daft. Anyway- I've repeated the captions in the description which, I hope, will make them more accessible.
@@WashingtonSAFC I've bitten the bullet and posted a version of this video with the captions on screen for longer. Hope this is helpful.
Beautiful to see these A4s together and looking so splendid. I would love to see one of them in the original Silver Jubilee colors, especially with matching rolling stock. That must have been a glorious sight in the day !
They did repaint one of them (Bittern I think) years ago.
To put this in context, it's like getting all the surviving Concords and putting them in one place
Or all of the surviving Canadian Pacific 4-4-0's, which I'd really love to see...
It's good to remember these wonderful machines, the engineering that went into making them and yes they were not very economic to run but it's all Britain had and they worked tirelessly throughout the war years, I just love the smell of locomotives in steam and I'm fortunate to live close to the steam preservation here in Ireland so see steam quite often and it never fails to make me smile when I see them in steam
Paid for by the British Empire, Australia, Canada, India, and Africa. Today Rishi Sunak looks set to replace the likes of Churchill as Prime Minister of the UK.
Where is that ? I also live in Ireland and would like to see them, Im always googling to see where I can go see some steam locos but never get lucky.
@@techbysteff4829there's a railway museum at Whitehead, Carrickfergus, NI
What an exquisite video-beautifully filmed and more importantly benefiting from classy editing- not to mention the often amusing observations in the commentary!
Thank you very much. I actually enjoy editing much more than filming.
Hope you have a wonderful retirement, Union Of South Africa!
Mr Nigel would have been pleased. You guys did him Proud Well done to you All.
👍from a dirty diesel lover.
Nothing is like watching a steam loco at speed and slowly moving
Indeed, they were the most elegantly beautiful engines I ever saw!
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All designed on paper, probably in clouds of pipe-smoke haha. What a wonderful set of engines, sad that we will never see this gathering again.
There was wind tunnel testing with a Plasticene model. Apparently aerodynamics were fine but smoke clearance was non-existant (a problem never solved with the LMS's Princess Coronation streamliners) until someone picked up the model non too carefully and left a dent behind the chinmy where his thumb had squashed it out of shape. Out of desperation the model was tested anyway and suddenly smoke clearance was excellent- better than previous efforts with "semi-streamlining" and smoke deflectors as seen on the W1 and first P2s all of which were soon rebuilt with A4 style streamlining. Hope you liked the film.
I cabbed mallard at kings cross station 65 years ago.See all the A4s except William Whitelaw who for some reason never came down south.
My Dad told me that the first time he ever went to Kings Cross Mallard was there. I don't recall him mentioning the date. Hope you enjoyed the film.
The best engines ever built far better than the rubbish that is running today bring back the steam locomotives
you dont know shit why steam locos were replaced in the first place
Meanwhile,Sir Nigel Grestley looking down from heaven: oh look its my children,they seem to be having fun
Too bad over 20 of them are gone...
Poor bittern, the most underrated a4, but the most reliable old girl
I thought she looked great. Have you seen the video of her thundering through Doncaster at 90+?
@@TimRuffle yes I have
I don't think she 's Bitterne about it.
10:55 MALLARD AND THE GANG
I was born in Cape Town, South Africa in 1943, and I remember so well the wonderful steam engines which ran from Cape Town Central down to Simon's Town in our beautiful Cape Peninsula. My parents would take me to Wynberg Station, very near to where we lived, to watch the steamers chuff slightly uphill towards Cape Town and return, almost celebrating the hard uphill run. My Scottish Granny would say that during their uphill run the engines would say "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can" and on the downhill run they would say "I knew I could, I knew I could, I knew I could". I have never forgotten this wonderful Chuffing Song, and I am 80 years old. Also, it's so great to see the magnificent Spirit of South Africa in real life, although so far away! Well done to all who keep these giants of steam alive!!!
Some things in this world, by their very nature, just demand attention.
If I was wealthy I would build a museum, next to a private railway line, to celebrate the life of Sir Nigel Gresley and his team. Of course the surviving A4s would be there in the flesh.
I'm a complete new and really excited to get into this hobby. what gauge would you suggest? I don't have heaps of room, and I would like to end up with sound and fine control over speed. Are the Hornby sets decent value or not ? loving your vids, sorry for all the question! thank you
If you mean model railways you're probably most familiar with OO Gauge (or HO if you're pretty much anywhere other than Britain). N-Gauge is about half the scale of OO/HO so takes up roughly a quarter of the room and can accept DCC chips with sound which is surprisingly effective given the size of the speakers. Not cheap though. I've been getting into Train Simulator on my PC and have dozens of routes and many different trains from different countries (mostly Britain since that's what I'm interested you won't be surprised to learn) all of which has cost me no more than one model loco' with DCC sound! I love model railways but the cost is eye-watering these days and no layout is going to be big enough to represent even the even the shortest route I have never mind the thousands of miles my whole collection covers.
Hope you enjoyed the film of these decidedly _not_ model loco's.
Beautiful day I had there. I got the photo of them all but also the video is great. Thanks.👍🇬🇧
Thank you for this film and don’t be sad a lot of kids wills have seen the anniversary and if not been immediately converted to steam addicts will now appreciate a piece of their industrial heritage
amazing bittern sounds like metal clicking though
I have to say that for all the crowds etc, when you finally had clear vision of the locomotives, you're focus and framing was excellent. loved it.
Thank you very much. There are many hours of out-takes.
I saw all of the A4s in my train spotting days the last One I saw In BR service was 60011 Empire Of India Looking Immaculate on The Elizabethan 1961.
ALL of them? 4469 Sir ralph Wedgewood was damage beyone repair during an air raid at York. There's a British Transport film of The Elizabethan memorable mostly for its utterly awful doggerel voiceover but worth watching and on YT.
My dad tells me the first time he ever went to Kings Cross he saw Mallard. Hope you enjoyed the film.
ROFL!
I'm green with jealousy! I went to York just to see (and touch!) the Mallard!
My dad told me the first time he ever went to Kings Cross Mallard was on one of the trains waiting to depart. I don't have any great nostalgia for the steam age since it ended when I was a tot but I can appreciate steam loco's and this event was quite something. I hope you enjoyed the video.
Flying Scotsman was at Shildon a while ago and I got on the footplate for a bit then left via the corridor tender just as I had done some 40-odd years ago in Birmingham. I could've walked down the corridor with a top hat on then but could barely get through it the other day.
Yea, strange how these corridors seem the shrink with time... just like my pants.
You think it shrank in the wash eh?
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2:27 Bittern emerging from the steam looks wicked
One of the better shots I think- glad I caught it. I hope you enjoyed the whole film.
Nonsense. She looks like a fairy!
It was nice to see all 6 surviving a4s to line up next to each other for the first time ever since the 1960s with mallard still the record holder of 126mph 60009 60007 and 4464 still being seen on the mainline plus 60008 and 60010 both returned back from America
I was pleased to hear Bittern was scrapped recently. Cut up on the quiet and the scrap sent for melting. A fitting end to a polluting loco.
@@pmonkeygeezer6212 bruh their legit called “steam engines” cause their powered by steam
@@scotsmanproductions8224 Steam is not polluting but what generates the steam is. Burning coal is a major greenhouse gas producer. There's a lot of CO2 made. As well as carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, NOX compounds, heavy metals, arsenic, cyanide, and varoius carcinogens.
So yes, coal smoke as emitted by steam locomotives along with steam is *very* polluting.
@@pmonkeygeezer6212 it’s not like one engine scrap is gonna do the whole world everything
@@ethaneira3597 Yes, but it is burning fossil fuel. It's setting an example to cut these up and say *No* to fossil fuel burning.
Thanks for your reply MG John. l think if Sir Nigel was of this age he would be referred to as a Visionary. A local here in Herts told me he lived nearby, whilst serving the LNER, at Watton at Stone which is on the Hertford loop. Think a Blue Plaque is overdue!
APT-E: “hello what’s this? A gathering of the A4’s?”
Mallard: “OI! Union Of South Africa, it’s APT-E!”
60009: “LMAO, don’t even talk to us kid, we’re years ahead of you”
I went to the great gathering July 2013 in York Museum. I was so excited and beside myself..forever grateful I got to sit in the drivers seat of Mallard..my favourite 💜💜
Can we put this beautiful A4 back on the line one day? ..Karen
They'll never do it, I'm afraid. Last time I heard someone at the museum asked, their reply was that, due to 'currency and continuity' of the original parts, and lack of safety certificate for the boiler, it would effectively mean a complete disassembly, and replacement of almost all parts, meaning whatever took to the rails in that shape would no longer be Mallard, but effectively a replica.
Add to that the whopping surcharges and carbon levies on coal these days, means that these beasts are becoming impossibly expensive to run.
I wish I could go to the uk to see the A4S buts a longggggg trip
Sorry to hear that. I hope this (and many other films on UA-cam) are some compensation.
Too bad, I will never get to see the A4s together, because I never made it to any of the gatherings.
this is second best, but better than NOT hearing, and seeing them, move.
Beautifully filmed, and like me your frustration boils over when organisers exercise a lack of thought when placing trucks and vans.
Thank you. To be fair Locomotion was planned as a storage shed for the NRM before someone pointed out that opening it to the public would help meet the Museum's obligations to keep a certain percentage of the National Collection on display (and probably added "why not?"). I don't think much changed in the plans and it has always attracted many more visitors than were expected so everything has always been a bit improvised. It appears some big changes are in the works so here's hoping for some improvements.
Thank you for your comment and sorry not to have noted it earlier.
Where is Sir Nigel Gresley and the Bittern kept now
Sir Nigel Gresley is still undergoing an extensive overhaul at the National Railway Museum in York. I saw bits of her piled up around the workshop there a couple of years ago and, of course, the pandemic has hindered progress.
Last I knew Bittern was out of service and waiting her turn for overhaul.
I wish Eisenhower was restored to operate here in the USA.
It'd be nice. Next to most US rolling stock you'd probably have to look twice to spot the loco'. Is she back next to the Big Boy at the US Railway Museum? I'm told she looked like a toy in comparison.
Yes it came back, an A4 might be smaller than most modern American steam. but i wouldn't say that if anything 19th century locomotives are like toys small and cute.
It might help if Eisenhower the man was restored to operate either here or in the UK. God help us all.
No comment.
TimRuffle actually it’s called the National Railroad Museum
I live about 20 minutes away from the Eisenhower
Wisconsin and Northwestern Railroad ua-cam.com/video/JDuJ3zHIvU4/v-deo.html
Its amazing when out of all things it is a steam engine that is a landmark.
@@samsmithsonite1595 send a vid over
Thank you for this, the affection the British public have for our heritage is wonderful, I remember these ladies as a kid, thank goodness we someone had the nownce to preserve such wonder, thanks again for a wonderful video.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for your comment- sorry not to have noted it earlier. My dad told me the first time he ever went to Kings Cross Mallard was there.
The intro was too quick to read!
Yes... sorry about that. UA-cam used to have a function where you could add pauses and captions. Since an 18 minute video takes less time to upload than a 20 minute one I put each of the titles up for two seconds and added pauses once it was uploaded. The really useful thing for viewers was that you could click to end the pause at any time so, if you were a quick reader or watching again and didn't need to read it, you could just click through the titles.
Then UA-cam removed the feature and pauses from videos that already had them for reasons which may be excellent but who knows because they can't be bothered to explain.
This is not the only video of mine that has suffered and no doubt there are many others. What can I say? Be ready to pause.
Tony Armstrong you can pause it
Pause it?
She's very endearing, and very elegant at the same time.
Just seen this video on UA-cam. The thought that was constant concerned the sight of a subdued, intensely powerful, Beautiful machine reduced to tugging 3 brake wagons about in order to beg for crumbs!.. At the very least couldn't there have been a couple of coaches available? That way the begging could have been for crusts! OR. Nowt to tug at all and be proud!!!
You could also see it as showing off to fans during a graceful retirement. I'm not sure a coach would be a better option- you couldn't stand on the veranda and get a faceful of steam if you so wished for example.
Nothing wrong with goods brake vans. Locos not begging for crumbs. Enthusiasts prefer goods brake vans see more of the locomotive . You're comment is rather stupid.
i was there, it was the last time all of the sisters were together (exept silver fox)
You might be thinking of Bittern which was repainted in silver in the noughties- perhaps for the 75th anniversary of the inaugural Silver Jubilee service which would have been about 2009 I think. A chap I know got very annoyed about it. I thought she wore Silver Link nameplates (Silver Link was the first A4 and hauled the first service) though I may have my wires crossed.
All of the A4s that carried LNER Silver livery in service, including Silver Fox, were cut up.
The stainless steel trim on DoC is what was removed from Bittern
You know what they should do is offer rides on these trains with period cars in town, onj say the London, manchester, or where ever urban lines say on Friday nights and several times during the weekend. That would stop the engines from corroding up all the pistons, boiler tubes and pushrods. I'm sure if they picked a route that took people on a scenic route where trains don't usually go, it'd be a hit. Especially on balmy summer nights with all the windows open! Set the price like fairly modest say like 40 to 80 quid per head but not out of reach of the general punter. They could have a compere addressing the passengers via a PA system in each carriage and they could go past places of vintage railway importance and the MC could explain the significance. I'd love to go on a country steam tour departing from London central station , maybe going thru the lakes district and co,ming back and led by a Deltic or a Flying Scotsman type steamer with a Bevy of vintage carriages in tow. They could even allow some drinks and finger food on board and have a DJ playing up front Dance music or classics. Just a pipe dream from me, but It's 10x better than letting them sit and rot in some yard and ending up needing a full aesthetic rebuild due to lack of use. What say people?
Union of South Africa and Bittern do run rail-tours and and the only reason Sir Nigel is only out of action because her boiler certificate ran out. She usually runs regularly on the NYMR. It's in the nature of steam restoration to replace a great deal of the the locomotive- even parts of Flying Scotsman's frames were replaced at the last hidiously expensive overhaul. There's a good case for letting these 80 years old loco's retire gracefully in musuems perhaps replaced on the rails with new build replicas.
shoominati23 You could have been on a steam railtour out of London yesterday with LMS Jubilee class 45699 Galatea, and up around Appleby in Cumbria, you'd have passed 60009 Union of South Africa & another Jubilee 45690 Leander coming the other way hauling tours from Bristol & York 😉 I was on the latter... Was hoping for 46233 Dutchess of Sutherland instead of a Jubilee, but you can't have it all!
shoominati23 ua-cam.com/video/JDuJ3zHIvU4/v-deo.html
I wish mallard would return to steam or just even disguise bittern or sir Nigel Gresley it would nice to see the name mallard on a working a4
Restoring Mallard to running order for the 75th anniversary was discussed at the NRM. The argument agains doing so was, in a nutshell, "We're already restoring the most famous locomotive in the world [Flying Scotsman of course]- it would be foolish to compete with ourselves by restoring the second most famous." I do see the point.
Of course the restoration of Flying Scotsman dragged on and on long past the anniversary soaking up millions of pounds which raises another point- there's little of the original locomotive left now. I genuinely think there's a case for giving the original loco's a dignified and well-earned retirement and build replicas which, in Flying Scotsman's case anyway, would probably not cost much more than her restoration.
Very clear picture but how quickly do you think people can read your comments? Some of them are unnecessary too.
Absolutely stunning video. Big Thank You for the addition of text information.
The A4 are only a little bit smaller than the PRR K4s. That has me wondering what type of performance gains would the class see if they were to be fitted with stokers. When the PRR did a trial with two K4s being fitted with stokers, it was shown that there was a significant increase in pulling power and fuel economy.
Stokers have been tried in Britain - but with the reverse findings from the PRR. Coal was swallowed up to no good effect!
Exceptional photography, wonderful to view.
Thank you very much for your kind words.
Union of South Africa, my grandfather used to work that engine when it was in service.
I always prefer the British rail green. What was it called Brunswick green?
I think that 'Clanking' sound is from the injector valve that feeds water from the Tender into the Boiler and in an ingenious way and it operates even if the Locomotive is stationary.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injector
Interesting- thanks for the note. I didn't hear it coming from the other loco's though. Sorry I didn't reply earlier
Saw them all in service in the 50’s at Kings Cross station where I spent my youth!
My dad told me that the first time he ever went to Kings Cross he saw Mallard. Hope you liked the film.
@@TimRuffle Sure did Tim. I was brought up in Holborn just up the road from Kings Cross/St Pancras/Euston stations. I was at senior school in Kings Cross 1957-62 so was able before school/lunch times & after to enjoy the steam era then run by British Rail. A 1d (penny) would buy you a platform ticket unless you knew the ropes & went to platform 10 which was between the main line platforms & suburban platforms. It had the best view as it was also opposite the coaling & water point that had a turntable as well to turn the engines for a return trip up north. That was in the day we had porters on the platforms & the station master always had a big coal fire burning in the grate in his office in winter. My school master (Mr Myers) always said if I paid as much attention to my school work as I did the trains I would make something of myself. He somehow got me tickets to the unveiling of the first Diesels No 1000 & 1001 by British Rail at either Battersea or Nine Elms, it was a long time ago. This was the start of the Diesels & the end of the steam days. The A4's were every lads favourite, like Silver Link, King, Sparrowhawk, Mallard, Empress of India, Union of South Africa, William Whitelaw, Kestrel & many more. I saw the full class of locomotives except there may have been a couple lost during the war years. In them days they were all in BR Green livery with no wheel coverings. Happy Days.
Mallard was a 34A locomotive in the post-war years.
Paul Caswell
Hi Paul, as far as I remember the 34a you refer to was their shed location & service depot. It was a small circular disc in the front of the loco. 34a if my memory is correct was for LNER north London depot around Hornsey or Finsbury Park. There were others all over the country like, Doncaster, Edinburgh, and York. It was one of out greatest delights to try & get into the sheds without being caught to see the loco’s stabled. If you got caught it was big trouble.
34A was King's Cross Top Shed. I was just remarking that Mallard would have been based at King's + and therefore would have been a common sight there!
How have trains in the UK become so bad. Such fantastic trains, and then you see that Northern Metro train on other line, how did it ccome to that. People in years to come, looking back at this video will wonder, which is the older train. Great video.
Somehow the idea that a good railway network is an asset whether or not it makes money in its own right just doesn't seem to sink in. Its easy to argue that the railways need to make money on their own terms or, at least, cost the taxpayers less and indeed that's not unfair but ignores how much it costs to repair or widen roads that get hammered by thousands of cars and lorries which wouldn't be on the roads if the railways had more capacity- a bill that road tax doesn't get anywhere near covering. Politicians though (of all colours) seem to see the railways as a large and ironically slow-moving target. Glad you enjoyed the film.
Truly Magnificent, To see Those A4 Engines .Wish I'd been there, & The turn Out of People again all credit, It just goes to show how Popular those steam Engine's are still after thay were
Replaced with Electric & Diesels engine's,
Again, Thanks to all those Guys & Ladies for supporting this Magnificent Day ?
Dam it i Missed this Magnificent event, 😢
TBH Deltics are my favourite loco's perhaps because I grew up just after steam was withdrawn and, although I only saw them in the last six months of their service lives, they made an indelible impression. This event really was quite something though.
Silver Link on tv this morning in grim old Will Hay film 'Oh Mr Porter!'
2509 in almost original condition. Only difference from 1935 is the lengthening of the front buffer shanks and the subsequent bringing forward of the front coupling and vacuum pipe.
So beautiful it bought tears to my eyes
3:53 one of Tornado's volunteers; it's nice to see a familiar face :))
Well done. Would of loved to be there . USA engines are
not so elegant,great looking locos,
Maybe I'm biased but I'd have to agree though there certainly are some handsome US kettles and most have an impressively purposeful look about them. Glas you enjoyed the film.
It would GREAT to see iconic loco's back together again. By chance is the Eisenhower back here now or still away . Would be great to see as well as all other A4s. Nice footage of these grand old Beasties
I don't know where "here" is but both Dominion of Canada and Dwight D. Eisenhower are the property of museums in Canada and the US respectively and were shipped back to their owners not so long after this was filmed.
Glad you enjoyed the film.
@@TimRuffle Here as in the UK Tim . Thanks for info , but it would be nice to have all A4s back together again att the NRMs
R.I.P mallard and bittern and south Africa you will not be forgotten and were very useful locomotives
Mallard's got her feet up at the NRM at the moment but you speak as if the others have disppeared. UoA is in steam and I believe Bittern is scheduled to be returned to steam. Per your other comment I was born too late to see steam in regular service so I'm something of a Diesels fan but I admit that kettles do have an indefineable grace that modern traction can't match. Don't worry Deltics- I still love you.
Thank you for your comment and sorry not to have noted it earlier.
What a sad indictment of the Government that more funds aren't available for preservation of,
not only the fastest class of steam engines in the world, but for a country that gave rail travel to the world.
P.S. How many American engines are named after British politicians?
It is lovely to see old loco's still running but there is an argument, which I cannot whole-heartedly disagree with, that it is an indulgence. Look at how much it cost to restore Flying Scotsman- you could put her on a plinth (while there's still some of the original loco' left) and build a new A3 for the same money. I do think the Government could do more though. In this region we've got the Friends of the Stockton and Darlington Railway scrambling to preserve buildings and the route of the S&DR. How is the first modern railway anywhere not a World Heritage site?
I'm pretty sure Eisenhower was renamed in the '40s in honour of his war record.
TimRuffle. So, going on that premise, Sir Winston Churchill would fulfill that category, at the very least.And how can heritage be classed as an indulgence? We in Britain have an abysmal record at only 'saving' something worthwhile when it is at the point of no recovery.
My point was that Eisenhower wasn't a politician he was the general who commanded the Allied forces in Europe. He would go on to be a politician but that's not why a loco' was named after him in the '40s.
Although I can reluctantly admit the argument against wearing out old loco's surely it's clear that I don't disagree with you about the rest.
TimRuffle. I take your point about Eisenhower, but, sadly, I think that we squander a lot of chances with the things we should be proud of. It took far too long, for instance, to recognise Bletchley Park, and our Railway Heritage had all but disappeared before dedicated 'amateurs' took the situation in hand. Many thanks for taking time to answer my queries.
See my point about the Stockton and Darlington Railway. Things are improving now with Locomotion (the NRM annex in Shildon) and Darlington Railway Museum (a.k.a. Head of Steam) but it got terribly run down and Beeching recommended closing it west of Darlington. Can you imagine any other country having the world's first modern railway and considering ripping it up?
When Bank Top, the main line station, opened a diversion was built so all trains went through it but the original section remained open known as the Fighting Cocks branch. That did close in the '60s and, in spite of Darlington Borough Council claiming to be keen to preserve the route, there's a ruddy road over most of it now...
But I mustn't get started.
Was Dwight D Eisenhower here?
Yes indeed- she came over on the same ship that carried Dominion of Canada and was restored at York while Dominion stayed at Locomotion for work. She's the non-runner in green.
Great video but whoever put text on screen is an silly. Had no time to read text when it was gone. Very poor indeed.
Glad you enjoyed the film.
The text isn't my fault- when I posted you could add pauses to a film in UA-cam. I don't have the fastest broadband and, obviously, the shorter a film the less time it takes up upload so I took advantage of this by having the text on screen for a couple of seconds and extending that by adding pauses. Since viewers had the option to skip the pauses this was ideal for repeat viewing or fast readers. Win win.
UA-cam removed this feature some years ago which is unhelpful but not as unhelpful as it going on to remove the pauses that were already there.
I have considered posting a new version with the text given the time needed to read it but I'm not sure it's worth the bother- it's not hard to pause the film after all.
There's more. Hands up all those like me "bunked" Kings X MPD and others to see these magnificent machines quietly hissing away waiting for the next fast tour of duty up Norf? Guilty M'Lud... When I did this there were no staff to be seen anywhere. Other Motive Power Depots ( I visited most ) always had staff on hand to chase you off. Never caught though. Very fit and nippy in my late teens and with my Triumph Motor Cycles ( The Triumphs like those A4s, 3s,2s etc .. More Tru-Brit Steel ) As a Nation we used to make some half-decent stuff and them some ~ where did it all go right?
Went here with my dad when I were a lad. Remember it well and cherish it dearly.
I hope you enjoyed the film.
So much for going to 150th anniversary of big boy
Not sure what to make of this. Assuming you mean the loco weren't they built in the '40s?
Oh sorry I edited this a month ago and I meant golden spike anniversary
Are those three cars next to the engine (BITTERN) CABOOSES?@8:22
We call them brake vans in Britain or guard's vans but yes. The Guard who rode in it monitored the train and looked out for trouble much as the caboose crew would do but also had a handbrake he could use to add brake force and control coupling slack as appropriate on goods trains when not all wagons had running brakes which was well into the 1980s here.
Thank you for documenting this, what an event celebrating these magnificent engines
Thank you for commenting- glad you enjoyed the film.
Shame on the user unfriendly editing: No one can read a full screen of text in half a second ☹️
See the pinned comment. Hope you enjoyed the film in spite of this problem which I can't do anything about other than uploading a revised version.
Locomotion is a great place. It's the best thing about Shildon, narrowly beating any road that takes you out of Shildon.