Keighley has become one of my favourite destinations in the last few years. So easy to catch the witch way bus to Burnley then change to Keighley. Buying a day rover at the Worth valley railway is the best way to spend a day.I'm definitely a KWVR fan!
Brings back memories from decades ago when a very small, very old tank engine (can’t remember which one) also got stuck on that bank with a short but heavily loaded train, on a similar dank winter’s day.
75078 certainly wasn't short of steam! A couple of times I was reminded of the film of Blue Peter wrecking herself at Durham but at least the KWVR crew knew what they were doing.
Very enjoyable this took me back to my childhood with trips to the seaside on the south coast when all trains were pulled by magnificent steam trains my favourite was the Princess Class and Mallard and Sir Nigel Gresley but they were all great big or small🚂🧐
Always a difficult start from Keighley, uphill, on a curve with considerable drag from the coaches. In the early days, I experienced a similar problem with the Ship Canal tank, the fireman running ahead throwing cinders on the rails to assist adhesion.!
I’m your 500th sub 🙂 sticky brakes are forever a problem on aging coaching stock - fair play to the guys for getting it fixed. A couple of whacks with a hammer usually does the job 😂 hopefully all the wheel slip didn’t flat spot the tyres of the loco too much!
Keighley is always a drag for the engine being built on a curve the load will be greater starting off. When I stayed in Haworth a while back and took the train to Keighley, the engine on the return trip had a struggle setting off.
Hopefully they had the sanders on as it reversed. Leaving York by pushing back against the guardsvan brake and with sanded rails and released buffer compression one could get away reasonably. That is a tough curve and gradient for a damp day. A station pilot as banker would have been useful.
Not a common problem but one that can happen where the loco cannot build enough vacuum to release the brakes fully with the brake chambers holding an imbalance meaning the brakes remain on no matter what you do. The only solution is to leak off all the chambers and then they can be recharged and balanced, the brakes come off and your free to move again.
When was this filmed? For weeks, trains haven't been going into Keighley (the last trains into Keighley ran on New Year's day), but are turning round between Ingrow and Keighley because of engineering work at Keighley. The station is scheduled to reopen on 2nd March.
But it's only about 1 in 49 out of Keighley which isn't that steep. What if it was 1 in 49 for the whole line then they would have their work cut out for them wouldn't they. Here's a grade on the other side of the world that's the same length as the whole Worth Valley line. It's 1 in 40 most of the way except just beyond tunnel No. 3 where it steepens to 1 in 37 but unlike the Lickey incline it not straight. ua-cam.com/video/pciv-tsHzq8/v-deo.htmlsi=toThELq-ZOHBK6_0
Sticky brakes somewhere I’d say - the wheel slip from the loco was more likely from the resistance of dragging a rake that doesn’t want to move and as regard uphill (from memory) it adds to the challenge.
I only see amateurs trying to play railway. You can have as many volunteers as you want, but if your product isn't good, your performance only will be poorly.
From a stationery dead stop, up the slope with that poor Engine pulling that much stock?? Many of the coaches were virtually empty. Crazy way to run your Motive Power. Your Ops Guy needs to explain?
No worse than the std4 tanks back in the mid 60's trying to depart Poole up Parkstone Bank, with load 3 off the S&D!! Some horrific slipping displays. On a curve,especially up grade, the weight is literally doubled. Had it myself with many locos over the years. Good effort from 75078 & it's crew in the end. JG.
Keighley has become one of my favourite destinations in the last few years. So easy to catch the witch way bus to Burnley then change to Keighley. Buying a day rover at the Worth valley railway is the best way to spend a day.I'm definitely a KWVR fan!
Good to see one our Southern allocated engines again. 75078 was one our Basingstoke based engines when I was firing there back in the 1960s..
Brings back memories from decades ago when a very small, very old tank engine (can’t remember which one) also got stuck on that bank with a short but heavily loaded train, on a similar dank winter’s day.
75078 certainly wasn't short of steam! A couple of times I was reminded of the film of Blue Peter wrecking herself at Durham but at least the KWVR crew knew what they were doing.
Very enjoyable this took me back to my childhood with trips to the seaside on the south coast when all trains were pulled by magnificent steam trains my favourite was the Princess Class and Mallard and Sir Nigel Gresley but they were all great big or small🚂🧐
Always a difficult start from Keighley, uphill, on a curve with considerable drag from the coaches.
In the early days, I experienced a similar problem with the Ship Canal tank, the fireman running ahead throwing cinders on the rails to assist adhesion.!
it did wheelspin light engine aswell so might be stiff regulator ,but deffo brakes rubbing n carriages can hear that
Poor Adision!! Wet Rails tight curve.
I’m glad youtube had this show up in my feed. Great work. Subscribed.
Cheers and thank you!
I’m your 500th sub 🙂 sticky brakes are forever a problem on aging coaching stock - fair play to the guys for getting it fixed. A couple of whacks with a hammer usually does the job 😂 hopefully all the wheel slip didn’t flat spot the tyres of the loco too much!
Ooo! Thanks for subbing! Crikey, 500 subs! I feel a bit blessed and a wee bit humble! Cheers!
@@transportinterests5371 no worries - happy to support you 🙂
Wheel slip does not cause flat spots; braking does.
@@layd999 No, but it does cause "wheel burns" or dips in the rail head which can be troublesome.
As said before nothing to do with sticking brakes
Keighley is always a drag for the engine being built on a curve the load will be greater starting off. When I stayed in Haworth a while back and took the train to Keighley, the engine on the return trip had a struggle setting off.
I am sorry for your troubles, but I enjoyed the video very much. I only regret I was not there to share the experience.
Any use of sanders, I wonder?
Hopefully they had the sanders on as it reversed. Leaving York by pushing back against the guardsvan brake and with sanded rails and released buffer compression one could get away reasonably. That is a tough curve and gradient for a damp day. A station pilot as banker would have been useful.
Just subscibed reall y enjoyed watching this keep posting more
Have been alongside that curve when a local yobbo was out putting oil onto the rails.
Nice driving, didn’t let the slip run away with itself. It’s a steep climb out of Keighley.
Not a common problem but one that can happen where the loco cannot build enough vacuum to release the brakes fully with the brake chambers holding an imbalance meaning the brakes remain on no matter what you do. The only solution is to leak off all the chambers and then they can be recharged and balanced, the brakes come off and your free to move again.
The Locos seem to wheel slip on the same part of the track.
Beautiful Station Keighley. The one time I went there a few decades ago that ugly American war department loco was running. Really disappointing 😕
I think I can 🚂... I think I can 🚂... lol 😂
Nice video, great channel, subbed 👍🏼
Thank you, much appreciated!
is it any wonder BR went over to diesel traction.. what a fuss just to pull a few coaches
As it ever was! Trying to lift 6, up hill, cold wet rail, on Keighley curve will always be a bit of an issue.
Damp slippery days definitely needs a banker
Why were all those buses not moving?
Dedicated school buses. Cheers.
Cause the bus drivers weren't there.
Wot no sand? 😳
520 sub's , great video of a different departure from Keighley .
Thanks for the sub! Cheers!
Not the first loco to struggle out of Keighley, don’t know why they haven’t got a permanent banker, cost I suppose.
When was this filmed? For weeks, trains haven't been going into Keighley (the last trains into Keighley ran on New Year's day), but are turning round between Ingrow and Keighley because of engineering work at Keighley. The station is scheduled to reopen on 2nd March.
2018 I think! I should have included the date!😁
Yea it doesn't help when the loco slips I remember back in 2012 when the class 50 Brent out it's traction moters on the bank
Didn't they not have any sand in the sandboxes?
Due to the pointwork, of the crossover from Platform 3, the use of sand is discouraged until the loco has got a bit further up the hill.
But it's only about 1 in 49 out of Keighley which isn't that steep. What if it was 1 in 49 for the whole line then they would have their work cut out for them wouldn't they.
Here's a grade on the other side of the world that's the same length as the whole Worth Valley line. It's 1 in 40 most of the way except just beyond tunnel No. 3 where it steepens to 1 in 37 but unlike the Lickey incline it not straight. ua-cam.com/video/pciv-tsHzq8/v-deo.htmlsi=toThELq-ZOHBK6_0
That's why you often see a diesel bank engine the other end !
Needs a banker to give it a shove over the problem ?on standby ? Always problems on this graidiant from a standing start.
magical shot at 4;45
Think your caps lock was stuck on when you wrote the title of the video
As a former fireman/driver whydo they feel the need to try and give it more steam if its moving leave the regulator alone
drawbar resistance = adhesion , power is irrelevant, nothing's moving
What was the problem?
Bit of a slippery day it would seem.
Sticky brakes somewhere I’d say - the wheel slip from the loco was more likely from the resistance of dragging a rake that doesn’t want to move and as regard uphill (from memory) it adds to the challenge.
sharp curve with associated check rails in the mix........
Who was that funny dude in the black suit shouting away 😂🤣😂
I only see amateurs trying to play railway. You can have as many volunteers as you want, but if your product isn't good, your performance only will be poorly.
It's a notoriously difficult gradient
At least they are doing something worthwhile, not just making snide comments. Happy Christmas mate.
@@Kevin-gw6us It still can be discussed if here something worthwhile was done. Enjoy your Christmas!
From a stationery dead stop, up the slope with that poor Engine pulling that much stock?? Many of the coaches were virtually empty. Crazy way to run your Motive Power. Your Ops Guy needs to explain?
explain what?
I didn’t see any stationery.
You should have seen City of Truro slipping when trying to pull a train out of Keighley, when it visited the railway some years ago.
No worse than the std4 tanks back in the mid 60's trying to depart Poole up Parkstone Bank, with load 3 off the S&D!! Some horrific slipping displays. On a curve,especially up grade, the weight is literally doubled. Had it myself with many locos over the years. Good effort from 75078 & it's crew in the end. JG.
@@drewmog123456 There was some in that newspaper stall on the platform! 😅