Finally the NEW IWC Mark XX (20)
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Today we're looking at the IWC Mark 20 (XX) and comparing it with the outgoing Pilot's Watch Mark 18 (XVIII)
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00:00 Introduction
00:27 1 - Case Dimensions
00:52 2 - Larger Crown Size
01:16 3 - Water Resistance!
01:49 4 - Date Window
02:21 5 - No more Le Petit Prince
02:47 6 - Dial Details
03:29 7 - Tipped Seconds Hand
03:47 8 - Strap Update
04:18 9 - NEW Movement 120 Hours
04:57 10 - Price Change
05:23 Final Thoughts - Навчання та стиль
Your ability to eloquently break down each aspect of the piece in hand is refreshing yet very original; paired with your editing skills, there’s no doubt your channel is going to continue growing. Please post more.
As someone who heavily considered the Mark XVIII but held off, these changes sold me. I have had it for a few days and I love it. The blue dial is a great summer watch and I’ve been swapping between the strap and natos daily. looking forward to the bracelet!
This is a very useful video. To the point. I would have surely missed some of these details. Thanks for the comparison. The 8 year warranty is class leading.
I just got the blue Mark XX this week in time for my birthday. I also considered the Mark XVIII Le Petit Prince or Spitfire, but couldn't quite make myself pull the trigger on either. Now comes the Mark XX with all the boxes ticked, except for one thing, a metal bracelet. I wanted to wait until it came out, but then heard of news of another price hike from September so it didn't made any sense to wait any longer. The very first watch I bought out of my salary was a Planet Ocean, and it was my only watch for like 11 years. As my preferences shifted towards dressy watches, I started collecting different kinds of watches, but always felt I had to trade off between usability (WR, PR, anti-magnetism) , size, and price. Having had the Mark XX for a few days, It's as if I have found my perfect one-watch collection again after all these years. Once I get the metal bracelet I think my other watches would be going to new homes (except maybe for the JLC..in which case it will be a two watch collection😏)
The fact that Marx XX has 120 hours power reserve and 100m water resistance is already a huge improvement compared to the XVIII. Nearly wanted to get the XVIII before this - luckily I held on.
The 100m does not mean anything really.
@@bighands69 Yes, it means there is extra protection from water.
@@bighands69100m & screw down crown =>> suitable for snorkel diving...
I picked one up on Monday, and I have to say, it's absolutely fantastic. It's my first IWC and I'm beyond impressed. This is one of the smoothest movements I own to date (currently have the likes of Omega, Tudor, Rolex) with the construction and finishing on par with Rolex. I encourage anyone interested in an IWC to see them in person, the photos that they have on their website do not do their pieces justice.
Agreed! Congrats!
thank the ETA 2892-A2 movement that this movement is based on....
🙏🏼 your last words. I really can't understand how a luxury watch brand can't do appropiate photos of their watches. It looks just so bad on their website.
@@JNNNSS
😂😂😂
IWC = POTATO 🥔 ETA Movement.
They FINALLY did some very nice and needed tweaks (shorted that ridiculous lug to lug distance, which is still too long, but an improvement nevertheless; improved the legibility with the polished hands; improved the proportions on dial; moved the date closer to the chapter ring, etc; and the movement, yes!!! finally!! They are now in the 21st century with power reserve and price point).
It's tough to watch this as an owner of a Mark XVIII. I still really enjoy it and don't want to sell it. Makes me kind of glad that they didn't do heavy marketing for the XX.
I'll upgrade when they release a dial with fully loomed markers.
Good video 👏🏻 I missed the crown size change, great catch. All the updates are fantastic! It’s the best version yet IMO. Ordered one this week & look forward to it coming in to pick up.
Finally some mark xx content! Good job on the review. I will definitely be picking one up, still not sure on dial color, both look great!
Beautiful watch....I went with the older Mark XVI but this is also stunning
Thanks for the super-informative video! Have always loved the IWC Mark Series. Have the XVIII and it's far and away my favorite watch. The XX updates - esp. the longer power reserve and the shorter overall lug width - make it very appealing
Love the blue dial so much!
Very well done, IWC, this is how you significantly improve your product range, to the benefit of new fans and customers, without making owners of the previous model feeling they have a so-so watch.
a very fluent demo with a perfect balanced length. Thumbs up
Thanks for this great review!
I never noticed that gap between datewheel and 3 o'clock marker. I cannot unsee it now. Overall very nice updates especially that strap change
Great update.
from Thailand i very thankful for your breakdown review
Thanks for reviewing, for me the disappointments are the date window - beats me why they could not move it to the 6 o clock as it is supposed to be an "in - house" movement, the silvered hands opposed to the 18s Matt black (more legible) and well size (a 38 mm would have been awesome). Also, note that the 8 year warranty has been going on for the last two years, so it also holds for the Mark 18s and others in the IWC lineup.
Yes - 8 year warranty has been going on for years now but I always like to mention it anyways. I agree - 38mm would have been the best change
@@MinuteMon agree 100%. I love the XVI in 38mm that I bought two. A silver and black.
The sizing and comfort makes me forget about all of my past Rolex pieces. I bought two Tudor Rangers to sort of transition away from Rolex but found them a bit too large and would tend to porpoise.
I couldn’t be happier with my XVI’s, even if they’d cost twice as much. Just perfect!
I had the Mark XVIII Petit Prince but found it too small. I later bought the Big Pilot 43, also in blue. I think the XX will suit those people who can't get away with the larger design. It's nice but I wouldn't swap the BP43 for anything.
This is a significant upgrade aesthetically and functionally. Well done IWC.
Thank you for pointing out a lot of the subtle and not so subtle differences. I’d still go with a M18. Not a fan of that negative color date window at all.
Proportion wise I think my 39mm spitfire looks better. But I do like the shorter lug to lug and more power reserved. Good job IWC.
Best watch release of the year!!
Great video, I like your breakdowns on the comparisons. Keep up the great work, subscribed!
Thank you, you as well Doug!
You didn't mention the strap now tapers! This was a huge plus for me in deciding to buy it.
I have always wanted to buy an IWC mark series watch but was holding to see if they improved certain things like water resistance and power reserve. I pulled the trigger on the mark xx recently and am super happy. The changes make this a perfect watch for me. The power reserve is amazing and the accuracy of the movement has been pretty steady, +2 seconds on average every day. The thinness is really nice and can't wait for the bracelet to be made available.
That's awesome to hear! I believe the updates will convince a lot of people to pull the trigger if they were hesitant before as well! Enjoy your IWC Mark XX!
Beautiful Watch
His review is excellent. I bought a Mark XX a few months ago for my daily timepiece. I immediately installed a black NATO and so it looks like just an ordinary inexpensive watch to a non watch "guy" (and my wife). The Mark XX very accurate and it's power reserve is most impressive and is longer than my manual "luxury" timepieces. It's unfortunate that we live in a world that can get you killed for wearing a fake Sub.
Very nice looking watches
Great video.
might have to get this
As a owner of the mark 18, I think this new mark xx is the closest watch you are going to get to perfect. It beats anything from any other brand, I will hopefully buy it one day but I still love my 18 and will keep that for now.
Longines Spirit 40mm is better. How many comments have you made here? Stop being a marketers fool. Look at it logically/objectively.
@@algorithm007ify I'm a big longines fan, I've owned the spirit, i sold it as the true pilots watch is the iwc. The ar coating on the Longines would scratch easily, the case back felt a bit cheap with the screws, the dial has got too much going on with the stars and diamond hour markers. The iwc has a much better strap, has an iron inner cage, better finishing, etc. Objectively the iwc is better, the brand also carries more prestige. Longines is in the same bracket as oris and Tudor, iwc is in the same bracket as Rolex, JLC, etc.
When you have an iwc in hand then come back and comment.
@@algorithm007ify You're making more comments than this guy with your Longines shilling
@@johnnysilverhand1733 explorer is nice, I tried on the new 36mm but it looked tiny. For me the iwc edges it, the iwc is more versatile and has a date window which I prefer. Both are great watches but it's down to which design and brand you prefer
@@johnnysilverhand1733 I did own a 36mm op, the 2017 model, that wore better than the current 36mm explorer. 40-41mm is usually max I can get away with.
Need this in 38.5. Would be strong candidate for my one-watch collection (for which I’m still searching).
Love the updates to the Mark XX... do wish they'd lume the entire indices like they do on the newer Big Pilots!! Also WISH this movement was put into the newer IWC Ingenieur Silver dial watches as that would be my go-to.
I I like the suggestions you have! And hopefully we will see a new Ingenieur in the future!
Your wish was granted but you didn’t specify for them to keep the price down 😅
@@vl507 no doubt... they made the new Ingenieur out of my price range.
Hey! First time on your channel. To be completely frank, I'm only mildly interested in the watch (outside of my current budget), but I really like your review, specifically on your delivery. Good luck with the channel man.
Hey Harris, I really appreciate your comment! I hope I can continue making easy to understand watch videos!
Nice upgrades, though still wish IWC would fully lume ALL the printing on the dial; and wish it were slightly smaller.
Agreed! A 38mm with all lumed indices? 🥵
no iron cage = downgrade.
The date window kills it for me. If it was a no date I'd buy it (IWC please make one).
Thank you for your thorough review, did you notice that the minute hand jumps backwards when pulling the crown to position 2?
It’s an IWC. Do you expect the movement to actually work properly??
Imo, the best looking dial in the Mark series is XVI, the font in 3,6 and 9 gives a visual balance of the dial
nice airbender reference
Hey Derek, The Mark XX is a beauty. Question: Does it have an independently setable hour hand, so you can change time zones without having to stop the watch?
Please iwc make a no-date and sapphire case back
I feel like besides the movement no real improvements. They could have fixed the date window and improved the lume. I will miss the matt black hands, they were my favourite 😀 and still a fan of the pilot collection!
Mark 19 was the spitfire with the automatic movement
When they color match the date wheel to the dial. I will buy one. On the bracelet.
Thanks for the super informative video. Do you know the lug width on these? Cheers
Yes between the lugs is 20 mm
Any kind of information on the antimagnetic qualities?
I have the Mark XVIII blue dial with bracelet. I love the look. I think the changes to appearance are subtle. I wish they made the date larger.
The big change to me is the movement. I find I need to give the Mark XVIII a bit of a wind each morning to ensure it runs for 24 hours.
I find the micro adjustment on the bracelet
Definitely something wrong with the movement if it has to be wound each morning to get through 24 hours. I’d have it serviced
Awesome video! This is such a cool piece, really glad I was able to see it in person, and I didn’t realize these subtle differences. I have a question-where did you get your omega gloves from? Can you buy these from a boutique? Thanks so much for the great content :)
I knew someone would mention the Omega gloves on an IWC video 😅 I got the gloves from my store - Carat & Co. which is an AD for both those brands. I had grabbed those gloves to film and didn’t realize it said Omega until I was editing
Where did you get that speedmaster box? It just looks so nice!
Don't you think the new version has changed the shade of blue color?
It would help if you kept the XX on the same side (ie on the right) when showing it against other marks.
Hi. Do you recommend the iwc mark xx or Tudor black bay burgundy?
I don't understand why everyone gripes about the previous Marks having less than 100 meters water resistance. IWC makes it very clear on their website, and has for years now, that they operate on a different standard. Even at 30 meters resistance they say their watches are made for swimming. At 60 you can do snorkeling. It's great they upgraded to 100 meters here for everyone who fails to do more research (probably because the min standard of 100 meters is so ingrained in our minds) but you can swim in any IWC Mark model watch. You always could.
the date function would like better if the color would be opposite.
Do you know if the Mark XX retains a soft iron faraday cage (unlike Mark XVIII IWC does not state one)?
Good to see IWC finally drop Sellita movements. Rediculous given where they price their products. Unfortunately though, I’ve heard there’s issues with the 32111 calibre. Jury is out……
I would take the sellita movement all day long over the new “in house” movement.
@@whereRbearsTeeth I guess as long as the watch doesn’t cost more than $1,000 your probably correct 👍🏻
Thanks for doing this thorough video. Do you have any idea of the accuracy of the movement in your Mark XX example? I haven't seen any specs like that on IWC's website, and no mention of COSC or even higher certification. When spending that much, that is something I would like to know. I was hoping for the 72 hour movement from the Spitfire model, but this really went above and beyond with 120 hours. I overall love the changes they made to the watch. The XVIII wore a bit flat for me, even on my 18.4cm wrist. Not terrible, but not what I would want for something costing that much. I think the changes here should be great. The bracelet model is what drew me to even considering the XVIII, especially with its hidden quick adjust feature. I will wait for the XX on bracelet to make any decision. My last complaint is one that exists on the XVIII. The lume not being at every index is puzzling to me. It is clearly a design decision, but I do not understand it. I believe they do lume all the way around on some of their other watches, such as the Big Pilot. I know the Junkers plane was on the XVIII, but I find it wholly uninspiring vs. say the legendary Spitfire. Unfortunately, that watch is not quite what I am looking for due to the aged lume at some markers, and no bracelet.
My XX is really accurate losing just 3 seconds per week! Amazing.
@@phughes4224That's great to hear! Thanks.
Pleass make a comparison with Longines Spirit Titanium 40mm...
IWC are very impressive watches no doubt. But I find it hard to justify the price of many of the pieces. Was toying with purchasing one a few years back but brought a steel / gold Globemaster instead.
Decent review though.
That is the reality of quality made products. They cost money. It is only now that all the cheap capital has dried up that people are starting to see the price of real products especially in the quality area of the market.
A Globemaster is not even the same type of watch.
Does this dial finally have full lume?
Bravo , and thank you
@minutemon Am I able to order straps through your store to have shipped to PA? I just purchased this watch second hand (originally purchased from an AD in 10/2022) on bracelet and assuming I don't have any issues with it when it arrives, I'd like to add 4 or 5 straps plus a pin buckle to take advantage of the easy change system. What's the best way to contact? Thanks!
Looks just like my mark XVIII - disappointing they didn’t do a better job at fixing the date. Wait for the bracelet, they are important these watches.
Exactly my thoughts. They're just the same.
@@Mega-zi7ys Absolutely not the same lol. It's more wearable now, and the jump in WR and power reserve are very notable. This particular line of IWC watches hasn't been known for revolutionary changes, opting for evolution instead. Don't see the problem here
Belle montre
Hi can you do a comparison of aquatimer white face versus omega 300m white face please
The omega is in another league.
They didn't really move the date window much if at all on the XX to my eye. I think by extending the indices inwards, it doesn't look like the date window is on an island like on the XVIII but that's it.
It’s more about how it compares to the placement of the 2 and 4. If you draw a line from the 2 and 4 through the date window on the XVIII it bends inwards towards the centre of the dial. If you do the same on the XX it forms a more pleasing straight line / arc. That was the big complaint with the XVIII. I’m with others tho… just put it at 6, colour match it and call it done 😂
@@sean1e100 yes sir noticed the 2 and 4 too. Everything was drawn inwards either by extending or making bolder. Agreed they'd be better off moving the date to the 6 or eliminating completely!
@@BB-gl7zt Yes, eliminate it!
Great video! But I have a question I can't figure out, no matter how many photos I look at. Are the hands on the new model black or silver? It was definitely black on the old model.
Both versions (blue dial Mark XVIII & XX) are high polished rhodium hands (silver color with Lume) - not black. What could be making it look black is that high polished areas reflect more color, while brush / satin finish reflects more white.
The white dial version should have black hour and minute hands though
I read somewhere that the Pilot's watch Spitfire (the 39 mm) was supposedly the Mark XIX. But this Mark XX may be just the IWC I'm finally going to enter into the brand with!
I bought the Longines spirit 40mm in blue
You will keep looking at the iwc and eventually sell the Longines and buy the iwc, it happened to me.
@@coffeeboyclips1973 why?? Longines is better... better movement and yes, better design with the 40mm... You have to go the no date titanium 40mm version for the best example. IWC finishing is actually quite basic.
@@algorithm007ify it's not better, the iwc is in a different league, it's the number 1 pilot watch like the submariner is the number 1 dive watch
@@coffeeboyclips1973 Marketers fool.
I’d be embarrassed to wear the longines. Lol at the 5 stars on their dial. How thick is it?
Just not different enough for me to justify upgrading from my mark 18. If it was true in house and better date window then I would give it serious consideration. Also why didn't they sort out the lume and use applied numerals !!! One of my favorite watches and I appreciate the improvements but they're not enough
Yeah bet if it was " true in house" you would feel the incredible difference in the movement... and still not have bought it because you would have something else wrong with it. 8 years warranty, who needs "true in house" and twice/thrice the price. Do you know many watchbrands that sells watches under 10k that makes their own hairspring?😂
The 18 dial looks so much better but the 20 is a much better watch. Oh well. On to the pilot 41!
Dang a 39mm 47L2L would be perfect
Sooo this IS an in-house movement right? Can someone confirm or explain to me what this movement is?
Any infos on the white dial?
I haven't seen a white dial version yet... but I can tell you that it's my favorite one already. 😉
@@MinuteMon my too :)
I really like the white dial mark 18. Never understood why they didn’t offer it on a bracelet like the other dials. It just becomes way too expensive and overpriced if you have to buy the watch and the bracelet separately.
Then only problem I see, is the XX for the 20, XX usually would mean factory 2nd or blemish model, it's messing with me.. LOL..
En réalité, le mouvement est fabriqué par Baume et Mercier !
Wish they did away with the date window
Wrist size for reference please?
It’s in the video but my wrist size is 6.4” / 16.26cm
1:32 Avatar!!😂 Nice watch..🤷🏻♂️
IWC the last Airbender 😂
I think they avoided 9 as it’s seen as unlucky in some cultures
£5000 watch and they don’t lume the numbers.
Really? No lume??
It’s not that kind of watch. This is a subtle flex.
Can i wear this IWC mk.20 on my skinny wrist of just 16cm's of circumference?
My wrist is about 16.26cm so you should be okay with it, keep in mind the lug to lug is about 49mm. If you want something more compact try the IWC Pilot 36mm or the Longines Spirit 37mm
@@MinuteMon Thanks .
It doesn't have COSC certification. This is a showstopper for me.
"I get it now" lol
😂
everyone is making a huge deal about the shorter lug to lug distance, it's 2mm! that's less than the distance of the 2 m's in mm. geez.
.2mm actually, super small change, but the lugs curve down a bit better
Pilot watches looks way better without a date
Honestly, I agree lol
Is the black face? I can’t tell
Soft iron case now removed 🤷🏼♂️
Longines spirit 40mm..better option..with silicon hairspring
@@algorithm007ify how many times have you commented here saying the exact same thing??
This watch is a missed opportunity. Had the chance to be perfect
Frankly I don't see any useful improvements/difference with the Mark xviii.
@@Mega-zi7ys That's just you being dramatic.
IWC prices is too bold, with these kind of range OMEGA & Grand Seiko is more value for money
Disagree, do seiko and omega make a pilots watch as nice as iwc, also iwc is as a more higher end brand, its not cheap but worth it.
@@Mega-zi7ys they make tourbillon movements, look at their higher end watches, they are over £200k
@@Mega-zi7ys in house is just marketing, movements last forever. Seiko make £50 watches with in house, you should buy one and claim you have a watch with in house movement. The watch is about the looks and finishing, as long as the movement is accurate, who cares.
@@Mega-zi7ys I don't like grand seiko, not my style, at the end of the day it's a seiko. I've owned omega, rolex, Tag, Longines, etc for me I like iwc thr most, I like their designs, stick with what you like.
@@coffeeboyclips1973 calm down with your replies...getting quite defensive..trying to justify your purchase.
If you have this watch, you have a lot of other heavy hitters.
I hope to get one soon to add to my amg petronas pilot. Looks amazing but need to try one on at the boutique first. One reason why there is no mark 19 might be because 19 in Cantonese (HK) sounds like swearing. At the end of the day, china is one of the biggest watch markets
IWC has received a lot of flak from collectors - does anyone know why? I am told IWC has moved down in the hierachy over the last 10-15 years. Please comment. I am not a conneiseur - just curious.
Iwc is still a top brand and seen as high end, it's probably above Rolex in terms of prestige
@@coffeeboyclips1973 Above Rolex in terms of prestige?? 😂 😂 You are clueless
@@whereRbearsTeeth look at the complications on the high end iwc pieces, Rolex watches are pretty basic in comparison
@@coffeeboyclips1973 yes, iwc does manufacture some complicated movements. But you mentioned “prestige” ….. two different things. There is a reason Rolex sells for over retail second hand and IWC tanks as soon as you walk out of the store. It doesn’t have much to do with which brand makes the better or more complicated watches. People want Rolex. It is by FAR a more prestigious brand.
@@whereRbearsTeethresale doesn't equal to prestige
Rolex is associated with chavs and people that don't really know much about watches, it's overhyped.
dial is not crisp any more. mark 18 was perfect dial with small details in markers with 3d effect. now just 2d printing... I better buy mark 18 just for the dial it self or just skip IWC at all. IWC not deserve my money any more. I have before mark 16 and it was beautiful dial. I just olways waiting for inhouse, but now they fucked up dial so bad...
Make it 38 with interchangeable bracelet and I’ll sell my Rolex
Sorry but these prices are very high
Maybe I am the rare instance of a person who likes the design of the Mark 18 more than the 20.
The larger numbers pushed closer to the indices, and the lack of the extended bar stick indices at 3-6-9 like in the M20, make the overall design more appealing to me.
The extra 40m of water resistance in the M20 … meh. Almost none of us are going diving 250ft in a high end watch.
The extra power reserve is nice, but again, when has anyone really needed 5 days of reserve? The M20s date window is more aligned with the numeral indicators but that was because they didn’t reposition the date wheel (ie reengineering cost), they cheaply moved the applied numbers over closer to the center. 😅
18 looks like a timex. The 20 is significantly better aesthetically. To each their own