Looking at this scene and look at how 2019 Midway was done, I don't see any comparison at all; this is so much better. The CGI is used just enough and it's based on human drama instead of how many explosions they can splash onto the screen.
@@rapatacush3 I'd call it smarter use of a budget. An artist will create something beautiful with cheap watercolors and paper where a hack fails with oils and canvas.
75? more like maybe 3 or 4 years, as the Kidobutai hadn't existed for 75 years; and even if you're arguing for longer than the existence of perhaps the greatest naval task-force up to the battle of Midway, it would still be perhaps only some 40 years, all the way from the battle of Tsushima straits in 1905.
The Imperial Japanese Navy did not take Damage Control as seriously as did the United States Navy. In the U.S. Navy Damage Control and Firefighting was considered an “All Hands Evolution” and by the Battle of Midway every shipboard U.S. Navy Sailor was, at the very least, familiar with the equipment and concepts of Firefighting. And the American Sailors were drilled in Firefighting, Flood Control and Pipe Patching constantly. In the Imperial Japanese Navy Firefighting and Damage Control was seen as strictly an Engineering Responsibility.
And it paid off. Many US ships which could or should have sunk from damage were saved by the excellent training and dedication of their Damage Control teams. However it is also worth pointing out that the Japanese carriers did have fundimental flaws with their Damage Control systems. For example both Kaga and Akagi had fairly good firefighting systems, however the water piping for it were made out of cast iron, which shattered when both ships took their bomb hits and subsequent explosions. They did try to rectify the Damage Control deficiencies in the Taiho, but one thing the IJN were never able to rectify by the end of the war was the training and understanding behind how to best contain and repair damage.
Yorktown in this battle, gets hit twice. Still afloat, though later hit by a submarine. Later, the Japanese TaiHo gets smashed because of bad damage control.
I've seen the two photos of the Val's suicide attack, but I thought they were of USS Hornet at the Battle of Santa Cruz in October 1942. Yorktown took two or three bomb hits from Hiryu 's Vals at Midway. The most serious one went down the smokestack and knocked out all of her boilers temporarily. She had only built up enough steam to make 15 knots for evasive maneuvers when Hiryu 's Kate's followed 2 hours later.@@wowsblitzkorea
The amarican navy had cracked the japanese communication codes in 1942, and always knew reasonably where the japanese ships were. The war was lost for japan the day they started it. It took no time to refloat the sunk pearl harbor navy ships, and the navy wanted revenge and got it.
I read recently that if the Japs had also used their third squadron to hit Pearl Harbor and just kept right on going, with their entire navy,, instead of pulling back briefly after Pearl Harbor, the Japs would have gone a hell of a lot further.
Abe as Admiral Yamaguchi, awesome He was in a Taiga with Kagawa Teruyuki about the Russo Japanese war, where Japanese got the “even when out matched, win a decisive victory and you’ll win the war”. Unfortunately for the Japanese the Americans weren’t as big as clowns as the Russians and failed to have a ship as bad as the Kamchatka
Yamamoto was no fool. He knew from the moment they attacked Pearl Harbor that the IJN and Japan as a whole had bit off more than they could chew. "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and to fill him with a terrible resolve."
There is no evidence that Yamamoto ever said this. It's a quote from the movie Tora Tora Tora. The real quote is more interesting. He said that after attacking Pearl Harbor, Japan's Navy would have at least six months to run wild/go all out(depending on the translation) before the US would put up serious resistance. He said he could not make any promises about the next 2-3 years, and that was a downright prophecy. Midway was almost six months to the day after Pearl Harbor. The battle of Leyte Gulf was just under three years after Pearl Harbor. He knew Japan's capabilities and he knew America well. He studied at Harvard.
No. He was a fool because at Midway, the IJN had a massive advantage. Even without the Aleutians Force, the Midway campaign consisted of 11 battleships, 17 cruisers and 49 destroyers and 6 carriers. The 4 main plus Carrier Zuiho and Hosho which did nothing but spectate. Yamamoto also decided to leave Carrier Zuikaku back home. The Aleutians Force had an additional 2 mid size carriers plus 5 cruisers and 15 destroyers. The US had 8 cruisers and 15 destroyers plus the 3 carriers in which Yorktown was already damaged. That’s it. They couldn’t even bring any more vessels because the US lacked fleet oilers in mid 1942. Even the US Naval War College stated that had the IJN properly used their surface ships then they should have defeated the Americans. So Yamamoto blew it. He approved the flawed battle plan. All he had to do was put surface ships up front and shell Midway with battleships at night to open the battle.
@@f430ferrari5 This doesn't account for the fog of war, US signals intelligence, and the fact that Japan mistakenly thought they had killed Yorktown...twice. Midway was supposed to lure the Americans into a pitched carrier battle on his terms. He had no idea the Americans cracked their codes and that he was sailing into a trap. The Kido Butai had spent the past six months dominating the Pacific through air power, so why lead with a surface engagement? Why not put your best foot forward?
@ you’re just making excuses. While the IJN thought they got Yorktown at Battle of Coral Sea in addition to Lexington, the IJN still knew the US had 3 carriers. You’re forgetting about Saratoga. Also, since the IJN lost many planes and pilots at BCS and Carrier Shokaku was damaged, it didn’t make any sense to utilize and attempt a stealth lead carrier strike approach. The IJN was originally supposed to attack Midway with 6 main carriers. Not 4. This was a blessing in disguise because even with 6 carriers the fool proof method was to lead with surface ships and utilize the carriers as CAP for the main part. The IJN planes consisting of over 300 would have easily taken out all the US carrier planes. The US planes didn’t even have armor piercing bombs and their torpedos were junk so they would have made only light damage to IJN battleships. The IJN bombers would have eventually found the US carriers and basically the limited bombing would have slowed the carriers and Task Force down and fast IJN cruisers and destroyers would have caught up and wile the US Task Force may have thought they were out of range they in reality were not. The IJN carriers would then aerial support and protect any potential threats days later as Midway is being pummeled with battleship shells day and night. Face it. Yamamoto blew it. There is no fog of war for the IJN. That would have been with the US. The radio intelligence wouldn’t have helped any. Let’s say the US knew the attack was still coming. The US scout planes only saw surface ships 200 miles west of Midway near dawn. Too late to send any B-17 bombers from Midway. The US carrier planes couldn’t launch either because they were at Point Luck which was 300 miles northeast of Midway. Or are you now trying to say the US Task Force 16 and 17 would have moved? To where? Run for home or back to Pearl and abandon the US Marines like what happened at Wake Island.
No wonder Tamon Yamaguchi chose to go down with Hiryu. His impulse to close the range with the American carriers was understandably noble, but very foolish. He might've saved the last carrier at Midway if he hadn't let revenge overtake him. Yamamoto saw him as a potential replacement for himself in the future.
As per Parshall & Tully in "Shattered Sword", it was Nagumo that dragged Hiryu towards Task Forces 16 & 17, putting it at risk. It would have been better to leave Hiryu behind as Nagumo took his fleet in a surface sweep in search of the Americans.
I don't know all the details, but I was under the impression that Yamamoto had taken enough of Nagumo's initial stonewalling of the true damage done to the three carriers in the 10:25 AM raid on June 4th. Nagumo fudged and said that one carrier was damaged, before admitting the truth. His stubborn refusal to leave Akagi after the fires threatened to envelop the island 25 minutes later didn't help matters. After Nagumo transferred his flag to the light cruiser Niagara, I thought Yamamoto relieved him of command and had Yamaguchi take over tactical command of the 4 carriers. Either way, it was a terrible mistake and sacrifice to lose Hiryu when she could've survived for a crucial future battle.@@johnwhitaker6988
Yamaguchi's reasoning was simple. If he turned back, the USN had already won a decisive victory that put the IJN on the defensive. If the Hiryu managed to knock out the enemy carriers in a desperate counterattack, even at the cost of itself, and the IJN operation to seize Midway succeeded, then the battle would be a costly draw that would at least give the IJN another chance of winning. Perhaps it was not the best idea, and it was likely coloured by his determination for vengeance. But it was based on considerations.
The Imperial Japanese Navy has a bad habit of being very afraid of losing combat power, which often leads to it often carrying out a key battle with insufficient combat power, resulting in the inability to achieve the planned tactical plan.
Yorktown wasnt hit by any suicide attacks. She was attacked three times ( and repkrted sunk after each I believe) Once by bombers. She patched up and was sailing fine when she attacked by Torpedoe planes . Hit again, this time she was abandoned. Next day still afloat, she was boarded by repair crews, who were making progress when she was attacked by a sub. She still managed to stay afloat overnight, finally sinking the next morning. One tough ship.
There seem to be many discussions and disagreement on this topic. “Shattered Sword” by Parshall and Tully, p. 477 says the hinomaru flight deck markings were ‘apparently’ applied just before the Midway operation. Published photo’s of Japanese carriers under attack by B-17 at Midway are of Akagi, Soryu and Hiryu. Those markings were not uniform: the hinomaru of the first two were surrounded by a white rectangle, but latter had a white circular border.
These scenes are incredibly well made. The scene where the Zero pilot runs out of ammunition isn't far from the truth, though almost as bad is their 20 mm cannon ammunition ran out fairly quickly with only sixty shells per gun which were largely used up against American torpedo bombers. Unfortunately, there are several egregious errors in this film which need to be pointed out. Perhaps, the translation is faulty or incomplete, but the scene where we hear a crew member say, "Enemy planes twenty minutes away" and later "enemy planes in five minutes" is just wrong. No one in Kido Butai had any clue how far away American planes were until they could see them and they didn't see the dive bombers until they were practically on top of them. The air strike which was being prepared wasn't on deck when the American dive bombers arrived, so the scene where Admiral Nagumo orders the planes to take off is totally false. This is just repeating the lie that Fuchida Mitsuo made in his book, Midway: The Battle that Doomed Japan. This was debunked in Japan in the 1980's after Fuchida's death in 1976, when other Japanese survivors of the battle felt free to give their version of events. The fact that Hiryu's counter-attack didn't take off until thirty or forty minutes after the American attack is proof of this. This last one is much more forgivable, but the scene with Akagi is somewhat exaggerated. Only three planes attacked the Akagi because of a mistake by American flyers that sent almost two full squadrons of dive bombers at that Kaga. In fact, deck and bridge crew members on the Akagi had a little time; maybe thirty seconds or a tiny bit more, to see the Kaga getting plastered by American bombs before Lt. Richard Best and his two wingman began their attack. Only one of those three bombs missed Akagi. One bomb punched through the rear flight deck; but missed Akagi's hull underneath because it was descending at a roughly 70 degree angle, and flew out the side into the water near Akagi's stern. The explosion from that bomb severely damaged Akagi's rudder, freezing the Akagi in a turn it never recovered from. The fatal bomb that Richard Best dropped, that hit Akagi's center elevator, didn't make a giant air born fireball above the flight deck. It made the fireball inside Akagi's hanger. I get that this was a bit of dramatic license to show how devastating that hit was. That one bomb was; in some ways, the equivalent of the shell from the Bismarck that destroyed HMS Hood, but in slow motion. It didn't just destroy the elevator and start a horrific fire which set off torpedo's, bombs and set fire to aviation fuel. The bomb blast destroyed a roll down fire screen which could keep a fire separate from the rest of the hanger. When the elevator crashed down into the hanger, part of it crashed down into a well below the hanger deck which contained Akagi's emergency fire suppression system, rendering it useless. On top of all that, the bomb was perfectly placed to destroy Akagi's water delivery system on both sides of the Akagi. Akagi's water delivery system had been designed to divide water delivery to the starboard and port sides of Akagi, so if the port side water mains and pipes were damaged or destroyed, water could be brought over from the starboard side, and vice versa. That bomb created a shock wave that destroyed the pipes to the water mains on both sides of the Akagi, making fire fighting all but impossible for Akagi's surviving crew members.
One of the greatest ironies of this entire engagement was the Japanese wargames suggested this could happen. BUT, the wargame umpires over ruled the results and ordered the officers who commanded the American force to move according to THEIR (the Japanese High Command's) ideas.
@@Kevin_Kennelly Recommend you read "Shattered Sword" by Parshall and Tully, a very detailed analysis of Midway from the Japanese perspective. A book which, by the way, refutes several items in the movie (for example, the Japanese carrier decks were NOT full of planes when the fatal five minutes occurred as depicted here and Hiryu did not have a radar which was tracking the incoming US dive bomber strike). It is quite true that during wargames testing the Midway battle plan a US carrier force appeared on the flank of the Japanese force pretty close to where TF 16 and TF 17 actually did appear. In the wargame the umpires limited the damage to just losing Kaga. And after that in the wargame Kaga re-appeared to help the invasion of Midway.
@@mikecondray4805 Kevin_Kennely might also read "The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945", by John Toland (I have a hardback copy), which was written using interviews from surviving Imperial Japanese forces and staff members. That same war game scenario is mentioned there.
The beginning of the war was wrong. Every choice has consequences, and in World War II, Japan's own mistake was that the roles of the Army and Navy were very separate. I mourn the victims of the war.
Interesting that they still go with the "five minutes" story when the carriers' air logs show that they were too busy cycling their CAP to spot the strike on the deck. The bombs went right through the wooden decks and went off among the bombers in the hangars. The fiction about having the strike on deck was made up by Fuchida and is refuted by the logs. Even Japanese historians say Fuchida was lying.
The Midway mission is too foolish for Japan. They failed to overtake midway, and lost a lot of carrier. If Yamamoto clever, they should redraw to nearest Island and gather for next strategy.
Did u know the japanese sub that fired on the american ship delivering the atomic bomb to American destination. Only missed it with torpedos by inches however on its way home with no cargo it. Was hit directly by same sub this was the Indianapolis
@@siliconvalleyengineer5875 Wrong, most died by exposure. A significant number were attacked by sharks but nowhere near 90%. The "Jaws" story was gripping but not true.
@@2854Navman what's really wrong is the commander of the. Sub hashimoto was questioned by naval authorities after the war in Washington committee hearing and asked if the Indianapolis was moving from side to side to avoid torpedos and it was but hashimoto said it wouldn't have made a difference it turned out that hashimoto was treated well while the commander of the Indianapolis was forced to resign latter committing suicide but after his death years later he was posthumously pardoned
They never rivaled us, not even close. The Samurai were good in ancient times, I'll grant you that, but modern Japan never came close, nor has it since. We were more powerful in every way, particularly economically and militarily. Arguably Germany and the Axis were more of a threat than Japan ever was.
Their heritage? Yeah, tell that to the peoples of the lands they conquered and the people they subjugated. The Baatan death march, Pearl Harbor, the rape of Nanjing, the sadistic medical experiments they performed and the Asian comfort women as a few examples. That is Japan's legacy.
Japan was going to lose long term even Yamamoto knew that. "I'll run wild for 6 months, but after that the US industrial might will prevail" I think he felt the only channel to victory was for us to give up after sustaining significant losses
You make a point that has greatly confused me. Isoroku Yamamoto lived and studied in the USA. He knew and admired the American people and their culture. He also studied at Harvard. How did he and the Japanese military leadership believe that, with the outrage the Americans felt after Pearl Harbor, that the USA would agree to a peace if they lost at Midway. It is unbelievable how little they knew about the American people.
@antonioacevedo5200 I don't think he believed we would quit but what else could he do? His life was under threat from Tojo and other very senior leadership who apparently didn't think he was as committed as he should be to defeating America. So he took his best shot at something he personally didn't believe in. You know the old line he supposedly uttered after the pearl harbor strike "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible resolve"
If anyone is interested in how The Battle of Midway was actual fought (and the USS Yorktown was never hit by a suicide attack, what BS) then I highly recommend reading the book "Shattered Sword--The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway" by Jon Parshall and Anthony Tully. The book recounts the battle from the Japanese point of view and destroys the myth of the "five minutes" that doomed Japan.
@@hirisk761 That thing is useless against basically anything that moves fast, low fire rate, low ammo reserves and clunky movements make this this thing as useless as the Yamato and the whole IJN high command itself.
It is my understanding (and I could be wrong) the American photos of the carrier Akagi during the battle verify this. Does this mean that the aircrafts were still below deck at the time of the attack?
I think both Akagi and Hiryu took the leading positions in the original box formation the carriers were sailing in before being disrupted by the American attacks before the SBDs caught them. By that time, Hiryu was farther north and managed to duck into clouds and a rain squall just as the dive bombers were choosing their targets.
They had no advance notice that the dive bombers or torpedo planes were approaching. So the dialogue on the bridge is absolutely non-sensical. Impressive special effects but nonsense like the dialogue about the approaching planes really ruins it. Additionally, the Japanese carriers were not in the process of launching their strike when they were hit.
It almost felt like a dig at Admiral Nagumo considering that that dialogue was taking place on the Hiryu and not Akagi; as though he deserved more shame for the loss of his task force than he was already responsible for. Then again, they did slam Nagumo on the 2019 "Midway" film a little to hard for supposedly not doing enough to ravage Pearl Harbor. Yay film liberties.
Was under the impression Yamamoto Ordered the Hiryu to Stay in the Fight ? Bad Luck - Every American Mistake worked for them ( and knowing ahead May Have Had Something to do with it ? 🤫
@@wowsblitzkorea I appreciate people like yourself that study history, using facts and critical thinking to analyze the past to the best of our ability and accept truth whether is substantiates our prejudices or not. Like you I believe that the study of historic truth enables peace to become a reality. Thank you for these videos.
Well in hindsight there were better candidates to command the Kido Butai. However we will never know their true potential because many of them were dead by the end of Guadalcanal Campaign. But remember as well that Midway was the second Carrier vs Carrier battle in history, with the first being at Coral Sea. Neither the US Navy or the Imperial Japanese Navy had truly figured out the best ways to get the most out of their carriers. The Kido Butai was an extremely competent and experienced force; they had been building experience through very high standards of training, very modern aircraft (IJN were in fact onto their 2nd generation of monoplane carrier aircraft whereas many other navies were just transitioning to their first). That being said they did have fundamental flaws in their doctrine and support (lack of radio use for their CAP, pretty much non-existent fire direction for their AA batteries and poor damage control processes to name a few) which never came to their attention as they never had any major reversals which required any reforms. I really doubt there was much Nagumo could have done differently that would have resulted in Japanese victory at Midway. He did his best based on his own experience and the confines of the doctrine. The best he could have hoped for was a draw and losing 2 fleet carriers.
The ferocity of the Pacific war is almost unimaginable.
Tell this to the Soviets...
Looking at this scene and look at how 2019 Midway was done, I don't see any comparison at all; this is so much better. The CGI is used just enough and it's based on human drama instead of how many explosions they can splash onto the screen.
Is it called budget.
@@rapatacush3 I'd call it smarter use of a budget. An artist will create something beautiful with cheap watercolors and paper where a hack fails with oils and canvas.
Yet I find it inferior to the
also Japanese-made
“Storm on the Pacific”(1960)
with Toshiro Mifune as Yamagushi.
@@ald1144 i call it do it on a budget. Bet they would had put way more action if they got the money.
Try the 1970s film. A bit histrionic, but the battle is a major historical event. More about story telling than visual effects.
These five minutes are a part of what is commonly referred to in naval history as Nagumo's dilemma named after Admiral Nugumo.
5 minutes of destruction that ended 75 years of naval invincibility for the Japanese navy.
75? more like maybe 3 or 4 years, as the Kidobutai hadn't existed for 75 years; and even if you're arguing for longer than the existence of perhaps the greatest naval task-force up to the battle of Midway, it would still be perhaps only some 40 years, all the way from the battle of Tsushima straits in 1905.
The Imperial Japanese Navy did not take Damage Control as seriously as did the United States Navy. In the U.S. Navy Damage Control and Firefighting was considered an “All Hands Evolution” and by the Battle of Midway every shipboard U.S. Navy Sailor was, at the very least, familiar with the equipment and concepts of Firefighting. And the American Sailors were drilled in Firefighting, Flood Control and Pipe Patching constantly. In the Imperial Japanese Navy Firefighting and Damage Control was seen as strictly an Engineering Responsibility.
And it paid off. Many US ships which could or should have sunk from damage were saved by the excellent training and dedication of their Damage Control teams.
However it is also worth pointing out that the Japanese carriers did have fundimental flaws with their Damage Control systems. For example both Kaga and Akagi had fairly good firefighting systems, however the water piping for it were made out of cast iron, which shattered when both ships took their bomb hits and subsequent explosions.
They did try to rectify the Damage Control deficiencies in the Taiho, but one thing the IJN were never able to rectify by the end of the war was the training and understanding behind how to best contain and repair damage.
Yorktown in this battle, gets hit twice. Still afloat, though later hit by a submarine.
Later, the Japanese TaiHo gets smashed because of bad damage control.
The suicide attack was not performed with a Zero (as depicted here); but with a Val Dive Bomber (photos captured the moment of the attack itself).....
Your historical facts are correct.
I've seen the two photos of the Val's suicide attack, but I thought they were of USS Hornet at the Battle of Santa Cruz in October 1942. Yorktown took two or three bomb hits from Hiryu 's Vals at Midway. The most serious one went down the smokestack and knocked out all of her boilers temporarily. She had only built up enough steam to make 15 knots for evasive maneuvers when Hiryu 's Kate's followed 2 hours later.@@wowsblitzkorea
@@michaelfranklin4276 Yes, you are right. It's so easy to get these sorts of things confused.
There was no successful suicide attack on the Yorktown at Midway. Cinematic license I guess.
Good to see the story from the other side sometimes
The amarican navy had cracked the japanese communication codes in 1942, and always knew reasonably where the japanese ships were. The war was lost for japan the day they started it. It took no time to refloat the sunk pearl harbor navy ships, and the navy wanted revenge and got it.
I read recently that if the Japs had also used their third squadron to hit Pearl Harbor and just kept right on going, with their entire navy,, instead of pulling back briefly after Pearl Harbor, the Japs would have gone a hell of a lot further.
Abe as Admiral Yamaguchi, awesome
He was in a Taiga with Kagawa Teruyuki about the Russo Japanese war, where Japanese got the “even when out matched, win a decisive victory and you’ll win the war”. Unfortunately for the Japanese the Americans weren’t as big as clowns as the Russians and failed to have a ship as bad as the Kamchatka
Yamamoto was no fool. He knew from the moment they attacked Pearl Harbor that the IJN and Japan as a whole had bit off more than they could chew. "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and to fill him with a terrible resolve."
There is no evidence that Yamamoto ever said this. It's a quote from the movie Tora Tora Tora. The real quote is more interesting. He said that after attacking Pearl Harbor, Japan's Navy would have at least six months to run wild/go all out(depending on the translation) before the US would put up serious resistance. He said he could not make any promises about the next 2-3 years, and that was a downright prophecy. Midway was almost six months to the day after Pearl Harbor. The battle of Leyte Gulf was just under three years after Pearl Harbor. He knew Japan's capabilities and he knew America well. He studied at Harvard.
No. He was a fool because at Midway, the IJN had a massive advantage.
Even without the Aleutians Force, the Midway campaign consisted of 11 battleships, 17 cruisers and 49 destroyers and 6 carriers. The 4 main plus Carrier Zuiho and Hosho which did nothing but spectate.
Yamamoto also decided to leave Carrier Zuikaku back home.
The Aleutians Force had an additional 2 mid size carriers plus 5 cruisers and 15 destroyers.
The US had 8 cruisers and 15 destroyers plus the 3 carriers in which Yorktown was already damaged. That’s it. They couldn’t even bring any more vessels because the US lacked fleet oilers in mid 1942.
Even the US Naval War College stated that had the IJN properly used their surface ships then they should have defeated the Americans.
So Yamamoto blew it. He approved the flawed battle plan.
All he had to do was put surface ships up front and shell Midway with battleships at night to open the battle.
@@f430ferrari5 This doesn't account for the fog of war, US signals intelligence, and the fact that Japan mistakenly thought they had killed Yorktown...twice. Midway was supposed to lure the Americans into a pitched carrier battle on his terms. He had no idea the Americans cracked their codes and that he was sailing into a trap. The Kido Butai had spent the past six months dominating the Pacific through air power, so why lead with a surface engagement? Why not put your best foot forward?
@ you’re just making excuses.
While the IJN thought they got Yorktown at Battle of Coral Sea in addition to Lexington, the IJN still knew the US had 3 carriers. You’re forgetting about Saratoga.
Also, since the IJN lost many planes and pilots at BCS and Carrier Shokaku was damaged, it didn’t make any sense to utilize and attempt a stealth lead carrier strike approach.
The IJN was originally supposed to attack Midway with 6 main carriers. Not 4. This was a blessing in disguise because even with 6 carriers the fool proof method was to lead with surface ships and utilize the carriers as CAP for the main part.
The IJN planes consisting of over 300 would have easily taken out all the US carrier planes.
The US planes didn’t even have armor piercing bombs and their torpedos were junk so they would have made only light damage to IJN battleships.
The IJN bombers would have eventually found the US carriers and basically the limited bombing would have slowed the carriers and Task Force down and fast IJN cruisers and destroyers would have caught up and wile the US Task Force may have thought they were out of range they in reality were not.
The IJN carriers would then aerial support and protect any potential threats days later as Midway is being pummeled with battleship shells day and night.
Face it. Yamamoto blew it. There is no fog of war for the IJN. That would have been with the US. The radio intelligence wouldn’t have helped any.
Let’s say the US knew the attack was still coming. The US scout planes only saw surface ships 200 miles west of Midway near dawn. Too late to send any B-17 bombers from Midway.
The US carrier planes couldn’t launch either because they were at Point Luck which was 300 miles northeast of Midway.
Or are you now trying to say the US Task Force 16 and 17 would have moved? To where? Run for home or back to Pearl and abandon the US Marines like what happened at Wake Island.
Oh spare me the American cheerleading. We forced Japan into going to war through embargoes and sanctions.
No wonder Tamon Yamaguchi chose to go down with Hiryu. His impulse to close the range with the American carriers was understandably noble, but very foolish. He might've saved the last carrier at Midway if he hadn't let revenge overtake him. Yamamoto saw him as a potential replacement for himself in the future.
Since it is a movie, it seems like there are some adaptations.
As per Parshall & Tully in "Shattered Sword", it was Nagumo that dragged Hiryu towards Task Forces 16 & 17, putting it at risk. It would have been better to leave Hiryu behind as Nagumo took his fleet in a surface sweep in search of the Americans.
I don't know all the details, but I was under the impression that Yamamoto had taken enough of Nagumo's initial stonewalling of the true damage done to the three carriers in the 10:25 AM raid on June 4th. Nagumo fudged and said that one carrier was damaged, before admitting the truth. His stubborn refusal to leave Akagi after the fires threatened to envelop the island 25 minutes later didn't help matters. After Nagumo transferred his flag to the light cruiser Niagara, I thought Yamamoto relieved him of command and had Yamaguchi take over tactical command of the 4 carriers. Either way, it was a terrible mistake and sacrifice to lose Hiryu when she could've survived for a crucial future battle.@@johnwhitaker6988
Yamaguchi's reasoning was simple. If he turned back, the USN had already won a decisive victory that put the IJN on the defensive. If the Hiryu managed to knock out the enemy carriers in a desperate counterattack, even at the cost of itself, and the IJN operation to seize Midway succeeded, then the battle would be a costly draw that would at least give the IJN another chance of winning.
Perhaps it was not the best idea, and it was likely coloured by his determination for vengeance. But it was based on considerations.
ちょつと何言ってるのかわからない？
Good movie
Very Nice Video Clip !😊
Out of bullets, out of gas, out of ship.
The Imperial Japanese Navy has a bad habit of being very afraid of losing combat power,
which often leads to it often carrying out a key battle with insufficient combat power,
resulting in the inability to achieve the planned tactical plan.
What a great re-make
I always rooted for GODZILLA..
Yorktown wasnt hit by any suicide attacks.
She was attacked three times ( and repkrted sunk after each I believe)
Once by bombers. She patched up and was sailing fine when she attacked by Torpedoe planes . Hit again, this time she was abandoned.
Next day still afloat, she was boarded by repair crews, who were making progress when she was attacked by a sub.
She still managed to stay afloat overnight, finally sinking the next morning.
One tough ship.
Good movie. Wonder why with all the good CGI that they forgot to put the big Hinomaru on the deck of Akagi that only appeared on Battle of Midway.
There seem to be many discussions and disagreement on this topic. “Shattered Sword” by Parshall and Tully, p. 477 says the hinomaru flight deck markings were ‘apparently’ applied just before the Midway operation. Published photo’s of Japanese carriers under attack by B-17 at Midway are of Akagi, Soryu and Hiryu. Those markings were not uniform: the hinomaru of the first two were surrounded by a white rectangle, but latter had a white circular border.
My dad fought Atlantic,,, let is all thank our lords😢
These scenes are incredibly well made. The scene where the Zero pilot runs out of ammunition isn't far from the truth, though almost as bad is their 20 mm cannon ammunition ran out fairly quickly with only sixty shells per gun which were largely used up against American torpedo bombers. Unfortunately, there are several egregious errors in this film which need to be pointed out.
Perhaps, the translation is faulty or incomplete, but the scene where we hear a crew member say, "Enemy planes twenty minutes away" and later "enemy planes in five minutes" is just wrong. No one in Kido Butai had any clue how far away American planes were until they could see them and they didn't see the dive bombers until they were practically on top of them.
The air strike which was being prepared wasn't on deck when the American dive bombers arrived, so the scene where Admiral Nagumo orders the planes to take off is totally false. This is just repeating the lie that Fuchida Mitsuo made in his book, Midway: The Battle that Doomed Japan. This was debunked in Japan in the 1980's after Fuchida's death in 1976, when other Japanese survivors of the battle felt free to give their version of events. The fact that Hiryu's counter-attack didn't take off until thirty or forty minutes after the American attack is proof of this.
This last one is much more forgivable, but the scene with Akagi is somewhat exaggerated. Only three planes attacked the Akagi because of a mistake by American flyers that sent almost two full squadrons of dive bombers at that Kaga. In fact, deck and bridge crew members on the Akagi had a little time; maybe thirty seconds or a tiny bit more, to see the Kaga getting plastered by American bombs before Lt. Richard Best and his two wingman began their attack. Only one of those three bombs missed Akagi. One bomb punched through the rear flight deck; but missed Akagi's hull underneath because it was descending at a roughly 70 degree angle, and flew out the side into the water near Akagi's stern. The explosion from that bomb severely damaged Akagi's rudder, freezing the Akagi in a turn it never recovered from. The fatal bomb that Richard Best dropped, that hit Akagi's center elevator, didn't make a giant air born fireball above the flight deck. It made the fireball inside Akagi's hanger. I get that this was a bit of dramatic license to show how devastating that hit was.
That one bomb was; in some ways, the equivalent of the shell from the Bismarck that destroyed HMS Hood, but in slow motion. It didn't just destroy the elevator and start a horrific fire which set off torpedo's, bombs and set fire to aviation fuel. The bomb blast destroyed a roll down fire screen which could keep a fire separate from the rest of the hanger. When the elevator crashed down into the hanger, part of it crashed down into a well below the hanger deck which contained Akagi's emergency fire suppression system, rendering it useless. On top of all that, the bomb was perfectly placed to destroy Akagi's water delivery system on both sides of the Akagi. Akagi's water delivery system had been designed to divide water delivery to the starboard and port sides of Akagi, so if the port side water mains and pipes were damaged or destroyed, water could be brought over from the starboard side, and vice versa. That bomb created a shock wave that destroyed the pipes to the water mains on both sides of the Akagi, making fire fighting all but impossible for Akagi's surviving crew members.
I cannot image a worse naval commander than Nagumo. He lost every battle in the Pacific.
I think you can make a case that he won at Santa Cruz, though it did him no good in the end.
he didnt lose pearl harbor...saying he was wrong not launch another strike is looking back...he was right to withdrawl with the info he had
you mean his conclusions were all wrong... ?
@ at pearl? he executed the plan. he had no idea where the carriers were so a withdrawl without a 3rd strike was correct
Japan was a big fish in a small pond before they crossed the Pacific.
One of the greatest ironies of this entire engagement was the Japanese wargames suggested this could happen. BUT, the wargame umpires over ruled the results and ordered the officers who commanded the American force to move according to THEIR (the Japanese High Command's) ideas.
Do you read your history from comic books?
Because none of what you say ever happened.
@@Kevin_Kennelly Maybe you should read something besides comic books.
@@Kevin_Kennelly Recommend you read "Shattered Sword" by Parshall and Tully, a very detailed analysis of Midway from the Japanese perspective. A book which, by the way, refutes several items in the movie (for example, the Japanese carrier decks were NOT full of planes when the fatal five minutes occurred as depicted here and Hiryu did not have a radar which was tracking the incoming US dive bomber strike).
It is quite true that during wargames testing the Midway battle plan a US carrier force appeared on the flank of the Japanese force pretty close to where TF 16 and TF 17 actually did appear. In the wargame the umpires limited the damage to just losing Kaga. And after that in the wargame Kaga re-appeared to help the invasion of Midway.
@@mikecondray4805 Kevin_Kennely might also read "The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945", by John Toland (I have a hardback copy), which was written using interviews from surviving Imperial Japanese forces and staff members. That same war game scenario is mentioned there.
The beginning of the war was wrong. Every choice has consequences, and in World War II, Japan's own mistake was that the roles of the Army and Navy were very separate. I mourn the victims of the war.
Interesting that they still go with the "five minutes" story when the carriers' air logs show that they were too busy cycling their CAP to spot the strike on the deck. The bombs went right through the wooden decks and went off among the bombers in the hangars. The fiction about having the strike on deck was made up by Fuchida and is refuted by the logs. Even Japanese historians say Fuchida was lying.
Notice the irony, while the Japanese were switching to torpedoes to attack American carriers; their 3 carriers got destroyed by American dive bombers.
Japanese lying about ww2? No way.
0:47 that’s Abe Hiroshi, fairly well known Japanese actor and in a lot of Taiga (historical dramas).
Ummmm…..so I’m just gonna ask it, didn’t the logs go down with the ship???? Lmao 😅
@@pjm9654no they did not. Most carriers took hours to sink. Logs were removed and transferred to rescuing ships.
I can totally imagine that’s how Admiral Yamaguchi reacted to the Hiryu getting bombed.
The Midway mission is too foolish for Japan. They failed to overtake midway, and lost a lot of carrier. If Yamamoto clever, they should redraw to nearest Island and gather for next strategy.
Like a score of 38 -3 in the 4th quarter, but the losing team wins!
Order. Counter-order. Disorder.
Did u know the japanese sub that fired on the american ship delivering the atomic bomb to American destination. Only missed it with torpedos by inches however on its way home with no cargo it. Was hit directly by same sub this was the Indianapolis
yes 90% of the Indianapolis sailors were eaten by sharks.
@@siliconvalleyengineer5875 Wrong, most died by exposure. A significant number were attacked by sharks but nowhere near 90%. The "Jaws" story was gripping but not true.
@@2854Navman I'm 100% right and your cnn info is wrong.
No, you're 100% wrong. There, I fixed it for you.
@@2854Navman what's really wrong is the commander of the. Sub hashimoto was questioned by naval authorities after the war in Washington committee hearing and asked if the Indianapolis was moving from side to side to avoid torpedos and it was but hashimoto said it wouldn't have made a difference it turned out that hashimoto was treated well while the commander of the Indianapolis was forced to resign latter committing suicide but after his death years later he was posthumously pardoned
Four modern "smart bombs" suffice to destroy four carriers. But the US Navy seems to think China would be sporting and play by WW2 rules.
Looks good.
Japan was the only power to rival the United States, and they have 1/3 of the population. They should be proud of their heritage.
They never rivaled us, not even close. The Samurai were good in ancient times, I'll grant you that, but modern Japan never came close, nor has it since. We were more powerful in every way, particularly economically and militarily. Arguably Germany and the Axis were more of a threat than Japan ever was.
Their heritage? Yeah, tell that to the peoples of the lands they conquered and the people they subjugated. The Baatan death march, Pearl Harbor, the rape of Nanjing, the sadistic medical experiments they performed and the Asian comfort women as a few examples. That is Japan's legacy.
Japan was going to lose long term even Yamamoto knew that.
"I'll run wild for 6 months, but after that the US industrial might will prevail"
I think he felt the only channel to victory was for us to give up after sustaining significant losses
You make a point that has greatly confused me. Isoroku Yamamoto lived and studied in the USA. He knew and admired the American people and their culture. He also studied at Harvard. How did he and the Japanese military leadership believe that, with the outrage the Americans felt after Pearl Harbor, that the USA would agree to a peace if they lost at Midway. It is unbelievable how little they knew about the American people.
@antonioacevedo5200 I don't think he believed we would quit but what else could he do? His life was under threat from Tojo and other very senior leadership who apparently didn't think he was as committed as he should be to defeating America. So he took his best shot at something he personally didn't believe in. You know the old line he supposedly uttered after the pearl harbor strike
"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible resolve"
If anyone is interested in how The Battle of Midway was actual fought (and the USS Yorktown was never hit by a suicide attack, what BS) then I highly recommend reading the book "Shattered Sword--The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway" by Jon Parshall and Anthony Tully. The book recounts the battle from the Japanese point of view and destroys the myth of the "five minutes" that doomed Japan.
Read Shattered Sword ... watch The Unauthorized History of World War 2 series ... simply incredible ...
A prime example of how proper research and history is done. I've also enjoyed Hornfischer's books, particularly Neptune's Inferno.
Incredible book and podcast!
南雲長官は水雷屋やもんなあ
ゲームなら真っ先に変える😅
The fatal weak point of the Japanese Navy was the lack of a radar system
Y el que te lean todos los correos tambien
Successfully done code breaking also made difference.
and the infamous 25mm anti aircraft cannons
@@hirisk761 That thing is useless against basically anything that moves fast, low fire rate, low ammo reserves and clunky movements make this this thing as useless as the Yamato and the whole IJN high command itself.
They had radar, however hubris between Army and Navy meant their systems couldnt wouldnt help each other get better, improve on systems, etc.
映像では米軍が攻撃をかける時飛行甲板には多くの攻撃隊が待機していますが偵察から戻って来たパイロットの証言によると当時赤城の飛行甲板には攻撃機は一機も居なかったそうです
It is my understanding (and I could be wrong) the American photos of the carrier Akagi during the battle verify this. Does this mean that the aircrafts were still below deck at the time of the attack?
Why are all the Japanese carriers depicted as having their islands on the port side? Only Akagi and Hiryu had port side islands.
This movie has some historical inaccuracies.
I think both Akagi and Hiryu took the leading positions in the original box formation the carriers were sailing in before being disrupted by the American attacks before the SBDs caught them. By that time, Hiryu was farther north and managed to duck into clouds and a rain squall just as the dive bombers were choosing their targets.
Good spot,I wouldn't have known that.
Q frustración sentirían al ver su navío tocado .
Is this the Battle of Midawy?
Yes.
They had no advance notice that the dive bombers or torpedo planes were approaching. So the dialogue on the bridge is absolutely non-sensical. Impressive special effects but nonsense like the dialogue about the approaching planes really ruins it. Additionally, the Japanese carriers were not in the process of launching their strike when they were hit.
Thank you for preventing me from ranting about this trash movie
It almost felt like a dig at Admiral Nagumo considering that that dialogue was taking place on the Hiryu and not Akagi; as though he deserved more shame for the loss of his task force than he was already responsible for.
Then again, they did slam Nagumo on the 2019 "Midway" film a little to hard for supposedly not doing enough to ravage Pearl Harbor.
Yay film liberties.
Thank you I’ve been looking for someone to call it out before I did!
What if there be a F-18E carrying bombs to kamikaze a modern carrier like Kuznetsov or Shandong, even a Nimitz-size one
With all the crap we have to watch and not do because of the utube police I can’t believe the crap that they allow in the commercials. 😊
アメリカ航空機部隊の急降下爆撃上手すぎる
ハルゼー将軍直属の精鋭部隊か
Richard “Dick” Best, the lone bomb that sank the Akagi, is Richard Halsey Best, nephew or something of Halsey.
Was under the impression Yamamoto Ordered the Hiryu to Stay in the Fight ? Bad Luck - Every American Mistake worked for them ( and knowing ahead May Have Had Something to do with it ? 🤫
戦艦艦隊を囮に使うくらいの博打が必要だったが、山本が凡人すぎたな
何度も同じ過ちを海戦ごとに繰り返して
塩辛い期間に強力な海軍戦力を作った日本の能力は認めます。ただ軍国主義の暴走でアジアを搾取し、数多くの人々が死亡した戦争を作ったのは、未来にも日本の間違いで世界人に記憶されるでしょう。歴史は平和の未来に進むための教科書です。
@@wowsblitzkorea Read the Hull note kid
すごい歪んだ歴史観を持ってらっしゃる。
そもそも西洋諸国が帝国主義などという世界秩序を作らなければ
日本にも植民地を獲得し
経済を立て直すという選択もなかっただろうに。
日本やドイツにすべての責任を
押し付ける勝者側の考え方はもう古すぎる。プロパガンダであることが
知られているので渾名の意見は滑稽につあるだけだ
@@wowsblitzkorea I appreciate people like yourself that study history, using facts and critical thinking to analyze the past to the best of our ability and accept truth whether is substantiates our prejudices or not. Like you I believe that the study of historic truth enables peace to become a reality. Thank you for these videos.
なんで敗戦した途端手の平返し民族の字幕付いてるん？
와일드켓이 저렇게 기총 몇 발에 폭발한다고? 제로인 줄 아나 ㅎㅎ
阿部寛がカッコ良すぎて
どう見ても多聞丸に見えへんし、なんでヒゲ生やしてるんや？やっぱり従軍経験あらへんから下士官兵から士官までどの役者も
コスプレに見えてしまうわ
I first saw him in TenChiJin I think. He was good as Uesugi Kenshin.
Very flat and not believable CGI, looks like a video game or toys
Nagumo sucks
Well in hindsight there were better candidates to command the Kido Butai. However we will never know their true potential because many of them were dead by the end of Guadalcanal Campaign.
But remember as well that Midway was the second Carrier vs Carrier battle in history, with the first being at Coral Sea. Neither the US Navy or the Imperial Japanese Navy had truly figured out the best ways to get the most out of their carriers. The Kido Butai was an extremely competent and experienced force; they had been building experience through very high standards of training, very modern aircraft (IJN were in fact onto their 2nd generation of monoplane carrier aircraft whereas many other navies were just transitioning to their first). That being said they did have fundamental flaws in their doctrine and support (lack of radio use for their CAP, pretty much non-existent fire direction for their AA batteries and poor damage control processes to name a few) which never came to their attention as they never had any major reversals which required any reforms.
I really doubt there was much Nagumo could have done differently that would have resulted in Japanese victory at Midway. He did his best based on his own experience and the confines of the doctrine. The best he could have hoped for was a draw and losing 2 fleet carriers.
旧大日本帝国海軍万歳🙌
Ban Masami of Fuso.
56、将棋など指してる場合か？