Building a model railway - Joining the Boards - Ep 3 Modelling the South Devon Railway

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  • @mrmeeseeks3609
    @mrmeeseeks3609 Рік тому +19

    The difference between your brickwork versus the printed card is night and day! You should definitely scratch build 👍 Looking forward to seeing how this all comes together!

  • @marknicholson2281
    @marknicholson2281 Рік тому +2

    Hi Andy. Missed the notification for this one!
    The Wills brick gets my vote too. Try some of their drystone wall for the stone walling at the base. It’s much finer and in keeping with Staverton. It’s a tiny bit short but a 1.5mm plastikard strip at the bottom raises it up to platform level and is then hidden by the groundwork. The card interiors save a lot of time I just built benches and bookshelves from plastic.
    I haven’t seen that idea for legs before and I think it’s genius.
    Its all looking great and I’m jealous of your progress. Mark.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Mark, I'll get some of the drystone wall and give it a go. I was wondering if I would need to use foam for the base and carve the stones but your idea sounds better. Next time I'm at the shop it would be great to see your progress if you have some photos.
      Best wishes.
      Andy

  • @marksearle6222
    @marksearle6222 Рік тому +2

    I have enjoyed watching this third episode. Your preparation is meticulous and the attention to these unseen foundations obviously lays the groundwork for your scenic constructions. I'll watch episode 4 tomorrow evening. BTW, congrats on the win at Headingley - looking forward to the 4th Test!

  • @danbrewer
    @danbrewer Рік тому +1

    Nothing wrong with your carpentry! 👌

  • @seakr9838
    @seakr9838 Рік тому +3

    Fascinating watch, great work. About the brickwork v card, I would use the paper on buildings further back and the brickwork up close. About Sculptamold, I have had good results using shredded paper from the document shredder with chep wall filler as bulk, the using ' the good stuff' to finish.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +2

      Those are really good suggestions. The Sculptamold shortage and price fluctuation seems to happen occasionally and i clearly missed my window!

  • @pfsmodellingprojects
    @pfsmodellingprojects Рік тому +5

    Your a joy to watch and there is nothing wrong with your carpentry skills, look forward to the next installment..

    • @jamfjord
      @jamfjord Рік тому +2

      I was thinking that too, after being impressed by the carpentry skills throughout the video.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thank you! 👍🏻

  • @iamafasolica
    @iamafasolica Рік тому +3

    Congratulations good sir. You absolutely deserve more credit for your incredible work. Can t wait to see how this turns out

  • @The_Modeling_Underdog
    @The_Modeling_Underdog Рік тому +1

    For someone who claims not to know much about carpentry, I'd say you've gotten your bearings on the matter pretty quickly. Fantastic work, Andy. On the brickwork issue, I'd go with the 3D one. The ability to weather it and not look like a smudged printout should be enough reason, IF it is affordable. That middle section looks like a fulcrum for this project to me. Transitional terrain is always tricky, but I think you'll be alright.
    Been taking notes from your videos and Luke Towan's for a project next year.
    Cheers.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thanks mate.
      Sounds interesting, which project are you doing (or is it a secret until next year?!)

    • @The_Modeling_Underdog
      @The_Modeling_Underdog Рік тому

      @@DartsideScenics Nah, no secret. The Barrel Inn on Eyam Edge, Peak District. Sits atop a slope, with stone walls on two sides. Was planning on doing a series of British vintage gliders and one of them is seen in a photograph from 1935 being readied for a bungee launch at the Derbyshire Gliding Club. They used the slope behind the Inn, which is a sensible decision if you ask me. Gliding, ales, bangers and mash. Can't beat that. I always try to give my scale models a base with the proper surroundings, so it will be an interesting exercise. The place looks a bit different nowadays but the essence is there. Plus, a golden painted glider needs a proper base to contrast against. The Barrel Inn is the perfect excuse to go full steam with the scenery,
      The plan is to finish the Japanese glider hangar this year and start the Inn on the next one. Fingers crossed.
      Cheers.

  • @GeorgeMBennett
    @GeorgeMBennett Рік тому +1

    Superb presentation style, great content, excellent learning - highly watchable.

  • @ianthomson9363
    @ianthomson9363 Рік тому +1

    I'm afraid I agree with all the previous comments that the scratchbuilt wall looks better, though it does mean a lot of extra work for you.
    This is an amazing project and you are an amazing modeller!

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thanks so much Ian. It’s going to be a very long project!

  • @22hilding
    @22hilding Рік тому +7

    Given that you are so incredibly accurate and talented, it would be a shame if you didn't go for the brick version. You will most certainly be disappointed that you didn't do it in the first place...including us! ;-) Lovely to see you working on what many would think is a much too ambitious project, but which we who have followed you, think is wonderful!!
    Greetings from Sweden!

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thank you very much for your support 👍🏻🇸🇪

  • @davestinyworkshopotherprojects

    first class video, well done!

  • @Ottedikkie
    @Ottedikkie Рік тому +4

    O yeah! Definitely pursue the brick version! It looks way better

  • @x-tareverything
    @x-tareverything Рік тому +1

    Definitely worth doing the 3d brick sheets on the station building. Itll look great when done👍

  • @gucu
    @gucu Рік тому +1

    Definitely worth pursuing - if for nothing else so we can see it in action! You're not far from my world - Lostwithiel, Cornwall.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thank you. Yes, not far at all and a lovely part of the world. I always enjoy a trip to Cornwall.

  • @josefbuckland
    @josefbuckland Рік тому +1

    30 years too late but I’m glad there’s is finally a video like this for all the future generations. Lol. Imagine where we would be if we had utoobs some 30 - 40 years ago😂

  • @MTspeed_Crafts
    @MTspeed_Crafts Рік тому +1

    The scratch built one is the cherry on top it look so good! Also episode 3 dang I've got some binge watching do!

  • @rl7881
    @rl7881 Рік тому +1

    Another enjoyable and informative video, thank you. Re. card/embossed plastic; you’ve ventured into the modelling equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle for Time, Cost and Quality. Take another look at the closing scene of this video, where you’re facing the camera, and ask yourself if your audience would be able to distinguish between card or plastic for the station buildings. Your previous work has been of an amazingly high standard, so you’ve set the bar very high from the outset. There are obvious differences between the two end walls when comparing side by side, and on close inspection, the plastic version shows greater depth to the detail. However, is the scale correct? It can sometimes be a trade-off between correct scale and being able to visually determine what an item is. The plastic version had larger stone profiles when compared to the card, same goes for the bricks. You have constructed the card kit very well, and once weathered, will certainly look the part when included with additional items in the final layout, but you have to be happy with it! Here we go: how about a compromise? Use the card model as a mock-up, in order to complete the project, then in the future you can revisit Staverton to replace the building as part of a series of mini upgrade projects. Yes, series! You will undoubtably encounter this kind of decision again before the project is completed, and will need to decide which way to go based upon your completion target date. If you want to create a masterpiece regardless of duration, then don’t compromise on your very high standard and ability. Your audience will almost certainly appreciate it.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thanks very much RL. I think you’re spot on - a revisit to Staverton station is the way to go. Yes, definitely a compromise with the brick sheets as they are slightly too big but I’m hoping it will look ok. I don’t think I can put an end date on this so it might take some time!

  • @northernrails4462
    @northernrails4462 Рік тому +1

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 absolutely top class modeller! I would definitely scratch build with the wills mate.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thanks very much Craig. I’d best crack on with the scratch build!

    • @northernrails4462
      @northernrails4462 Рік тому +1

      @@DartsideScenics if anyone can nail it you can buddy

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      @@northernrails4462 cheers Craig.

  • @oootoob
    @oootoob Рік тому +1

    Get yourself some Forstner drill bits - much more accurate and neater than those flat blades.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      I think you’re right- need to add them to the shopping list!

  • @kenr86
    @kenr86 Рік тому +1

    Loving the build. One thing I've found when drilling holes in cross members for running bus wires is to use what they call a Forstner drill bit, rather than the conventional spade bit. Those DCC Concepts alignment dowels are great, too. Keep up the fantastic videos, I can't wait to see the finished product.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thanks Ken. I might need to try those drill bits. If they’re shorter than the spade bits, that will really help me too!

  • @pacificcoastminiatures
    @pacificcoastminiatures Рік тому +1

    Agree that the wall made from brick card is better. I’d use the paper models as a stand-in for now until you have time to do the scratch built version.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thank you. That does seem like a sensible approach 👍🏻

  • @TheUncleRuckus
    @TheUncleRuckus Рік тому +2

    The brick version looks so much more realistic, for me that would be the way to go. It just adds to that scale look and feel to the diorama. 👍👍 Also you could always spray paint the latches black so they blend in with the edge, if you wanted.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thank you, I agree that it’s the right way to go.
      Also, a very good suggestion on the latches - thank you 👍🏻

  • @davidf2281
    @davidf2281 Рік тому +1

    Another super-interesting instalment. Love your considered, methodical approach.

  • @NewModelRailway
    @NewModelRailway Рік тому +1

    Absolutely Brilliant. Really enjoyed, Thank you!

  • @ThePudge1976
    @ThePudge1976 Рік тому +1

    Scratchbuilt defo. You'll make a cracking job of it. Loving following this. Thank you. 😊

  • @jonathanturns1713
    @jonathanturns1713 Рік тому +1

    Great episode and looks great. Was at Buckfastleigh today

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thanks Jonathan. It’s great at Buckfastleigh isn’t it.

    • @jonathanturns1713
      @jonathanturns1713 Рік тому +1

      It is. Only in Ivybridge too, so go there quite regularly

  • @alexmorgan2296
    @alexmorgan2296 Рік тому +1

    Another fascinating video - a joy to watch and most instructive as always. Still envying the carpentry skills! I do prefer the brickwork sheets (using the excellent ScaleScenes kits as a basis perhaps - for those whose scratch building is not of the highest quality?!). Thank you again for sharing.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thanks very much Alex. I’ll start scratch building soon and see how it goes!

  • @carlwhitaker2236
    @carlwhitaker2236 Рік тому +1

    Excellent videos I am a joiner cabinet maker by trade your capentry skills are fine doweling is a fidely job at the best of times think the other guys are right in saying with your skills the scratch build brick station is best more work! Look ford to your next post and many thanks carl whitaker east sussex 👍

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Many thanks Carl, that’s very nice of you to say. I can imagine how cool your baseboards would be - mahogany, oak, dovetail joints, etc!!

  • @moorlandmodelrailwayandy
    @moorlandmodelrailwayandy Рік тому +1

    Hi Andy it's looking superb mate. I wish that I was as bad as you at woodworking lol top class job so far, looking forward to watching you progress atb Andy

  • @jamfjord
    @jamfjord Рік тому +1

    Lovely update, I really like the legs system and how the baseboards slot onto them. It's very inspiring to see the progress you're making with the layout, I need to up my game!
    Regarding the brick surface, to my eye the brick sheet example looks a LOT better than the flat card (as great as the ScaleScenes and Metcalfe kits are). I quite often find myself using card kits as a 'skeleton' for textured surfaces, as you did here, so the card building needn't be wasted. But I think the extra effort of upgrading from flat card surfaces will be worth it.
    Cheers, enjoyed this a lot 😊

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thanks very much, I think it’s the right way to go (but lots more work! 😬)

  • @RicktheRecorder
    @RicktheRecorder Рік тому +1

    Just so good!

  • @edhorst7212
    @edhorst7212 Рік тому +1

    Printed card vs Kit scratch must take into any budgeting.. kit build will be an option for you, go with that decision

  • @chuffinel7676
    @chuffinel7676 Рік тому +2

    I am enjoying this build and watching with interest as I am also modelling a Devon Scene, coincidently I also took the decision to change from card to plastic kits and sheets with a view to kit bashing and scratch building. I am half way through my baseboards at present and hope to have all framework done around midweek. There are some fab laser cut kits around in 00 Gauge that you could use for templates and the kits together with plastic sheets and they seem to be a bargain. I am doing N Gauge, so options a bit more limited. Keep up the good work, it's coming along great.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      That sounds great, I hope you are going to post some photos online as I’d love to see them.

    • @chuffinel7676
      @chuffinel7676 Рік тому +1

      @@DartsideScenics Yes I intend do do some pics and videos etc, I have not done any videos before but will have a bash. I am not intending to do a 'How To' type channel but will certainly document what I am doing and how. I will also include real pics of the line I am intending to model which closed in 1962.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      @@chuffinel7676 looking forward to seeing it

    • @chuffinel7676
      @chuffinel7676 Рік тому +1

      @@DartsideScenics Thanks. It was actually one of your videos that made me change my whole layout plan. Initially I was doing a Welsh mining town idea with huge coaling area and mine & mining town, Quarry etc. Then I watched your ''How to build a Stone Bridge'' Video. That bridge is almost identical to one near the old Branch Line where I grew up and there is another further up the line Identical to it. So I threw the towel in on the Welsh Mining town idea and been selling up all the South Wales Stuff and decided to take on the Branch Line where I grew up as it's more personal to me and spent well over a decade to Fourteen Years goofing around in the woods and river and along the old closed line growing up.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      @@chuffinel7676 That sounds like a lovely project. Looking forward to seeing it progress.

  • @andrewstevenson5449
    @andrewstevenson5449 Рік тому +1

    Personally, I think for a foreground building, paper/card kits are a bit too "flat" - they're fine in the distance, and indeed there are still Bilteezi terraces up against the wall in my dad's garage, where they were put c. 1968, even though most of the layout's gone now.
    BUT - I was struck by the massive difference in brick size between the printed "skin" and the Wills plastic sheet. I even wondered if the Scales Scene model was a bit underscale. I think it would be worth checking your photos of the original, or taking a tape measure with you on your next visit, to check the size and number of the bricks, and how that compares to your two end walls. While the Scales Scenes bricks looked a bit small, I thought the Wills ones looked a bit too large: I often think that Wills OO sheets are a bit over-scale, and on my own scratch builds have often preferred to use HO or N scale textured plasticard.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      I think you’re right, there is definitely an issue with the scale. I measured a brick on one visit and forgot to write it down 🙄
      I’ll make notes next time but it’s looking like the brick sheets are the best option, even if there is a compromise.

  • @stuartmiller8053
    @stuartmiller8053 Рік тому +1

    Coming along nicely. Love Scalescenes kits, but think your plastic copy shows great potential. I have had a bit of success printing Scalescenes on to adhesive backed paper, but in N scale still need a lot of practice before they are presentable. Have also been playing about combining the interiors of scalescenes with plastic kits from Peco/Ration which I am more pleased with. Keep the videos coming please. Stu

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thanks Stuart. Great idea to print them on adhesive backed paper.

  • @_RandomPea
    @_RandomPea Рік тому +1

    Just so good to see a pro in action. Thanks for doing this detailed video, look forward to the next one. Great idea with the legs btw do they stay nice and solid? Is the plan to get this to go around your garage/workshop?
    You also said you don't follow plans, so are you doing this all just on a whim? If so... I'm speechless.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Ande. The legs are pretty solid but a bit more unstable with the adjustable feet. I won't have space to have all of it in my garage so I'll need to hire a hall when I want to run it when it's done! I always have an idea in my head but as you work on things it often takes you in different directions which I quite like.

    • @_RandomPea
      @_RandomPea Рік тому +1

      ​@@DartsideScenics I went and built my one for my son to try out various techniques, it runs but sadly the base board wasnt done well and so I'm going to need to somehow remove it all and transfer to a better base. I know what you mean with space though, i can see why folks end up with a whole room or attic to build. Ours is a 1st radius oval with a siding and it's taking up so much room.

  • @chrishouse3299
    @chrishouse3299 Рік тому +1

    That’s looking fantastic 👌🏻 I think the brick card definitely looks to be worth the effort I’m also starting to build a micro of staverton and would seriously consider using the brick card

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Chris. It would be great to see your Staverton build 👍🏻

    • @chrishouse3299
      @chrishouse3299 Рік тому +1

      @@DartsideScenics if it looks any where near as good as yours I’ll be very happy 😊

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      @@chrishouse3299 I’m not confident - my scratch build could be a disaster! I might need to steal yours!

    • @chrishouse3299
      @chrishouse3299 Рік тому +1

      @@DartsideScenics I’m not sure mine will be that clever 🤣 how did you find the build with the scalescenes kit?

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      @@chrishouse3299 😂 I enjoyed the kit build but it took me quite a long time.

  • @kymvalleygardensdesign5350
    @kymvalleygardensdesign5350 Рік тому +1

    This project has me captivated, your modelling skills are outstanding. Do not take any shortcuts it is not your style and I believe Dart Valley Railway will want your scratch-built buildings. Use the model scene paper kit as a template please stick with Wills walling and roofing sheets etc, you bring their materials to life.

  • @mitchellmackay8997
    @mitchellmackay8997 Рік тому +1

    I watch your videos for tips on Terrain for my doll houses. I though I was driven. Terrific work. No to the printed card yes to the 3D texture so worth it. Shortcuts alaways make you a little sad in the end.

  • @Brossard3360
    @Brossard3360 Рік тому +1

    Love these videos. I'm also a fan of Scalescenes and have done a lot of kits over the years. I like that the kits include very effective material rendering, especially brick. I have done several Scalescenes kits in 7mm and think that the printed brick looks just fine from normal viewing distances.
    Over the years I've also done scratchbuilt buildings but no way I can match the bricks from Scalescenes.
    I want to point out that LCut are quite good kits as well. I have built a number of these in 7mm but use Scalescenes brick and roof elements.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      Thanks very much John. I’m going to give the scratch build a try but will need to work really hard to improve on the Scalescenes kit. I have a feeling this will take many attempts!!!

    • @Brossard3360
      @Brossard3360 Рік тому +1

      @@DartsideScenics Good luck with the scratch build. Given what I have seen in previous videos this should not pose a great challenge. I always liked, and had success with, Iain Rice's method for bricks which entails a base coat of brick colour then picking out individual bricks in various shades of brown and even grey & black. Finish with a white wash for the mortar.

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому

      @@Brossard3360 thanks John

  • @Palmboom313
    @Palmboom313 Рік тому +1

    @5:44, brick version looks so much better.

  • @PeachyTT120
    @PeachyTT120 Рік тому +2

    Excellent video as always.
    As for the plastic brick v printed card, I guess it’s down to personal choice. The plastic version stands out more on the video so looks really good, but of course the depth of the pointing is way out of real scale, the scale scenes print also looks good, it actually makes a Metcalfe print look basic.
    Plus with all the work you’ve set yourself, do you have the time?

    • @DartsideScenics
      @DartsideScenics  Рік тому +1

      Thank you 😊. Completely agree on the pointing depth. I have found so far on this board that I’ll have to make lots of compromises which was a bit demoralising. However, a bit of kit bashing should get me closer to the real thing so I’ll persevere!!

  • @billyharper4864
    @billyharper4864 Рік тому +1

    ACE!

  • @Shinotama
    @Shinotama Рік тому +1

    The brickwork version that you did yourself is 1000% better, I guess at-least you're buying the card versions as templates? Either way good update :D