00:00 Intro 12:17 James-OH | Resurrection Is Supernatural 32:45 Michael-FL | Atheists Complain Of Differing Views 51:05 Chloe-MI | Atheists Should Not Be Persecuted 1:14:03 Jon-(CA) | People Will Be Saddened By The Truth 1:35:24 Leonard-(DE) | Atheists Have No Drive 1:51:04 Autumn-MD | How To Calm The Fear Of Hell
God wiped out the dinosaurs when he caught them weaving mixed fabrics and he’s pretty sure he overheard a couple of them blaspheming against the holy spirit.
Idk why SR seems to have the best damn facial expressions, I really find it pleasant to watch him speak. More and more with every new episode. Awesome. &LOVE both you guys, both y'all cool af.
Agreed. SR is king of expressiveness. He does this head tilting thing a lot though. I wonder if he used to be deaf and spent many hours watching Paulogia's videos and trying to read his lips. 😕🤪
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer Atheists worship no god so isn't a religion. We also aren't all of the same beliefs. Our only commonality is that we don't see any reason to belief a god exists and therefore don't believe the claim that one or more does exist. Our moral grounding is in human wellbeing and harmony with society. Incest: Atheists commonly know that genetics are compromised when closely related people breed and have offspring that can have disabilities. Necrophilia isn't conducive to human wellbeing. Cannibalism isn't conducive to human wellbeing.
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer Given the tired misdirection in your response I'd say OP's comment really got to you 🤣 Good one, OP! It was actually quite funny - I laughed out loud.
@33:44 J. Mikes breakdown is a work of art. Bellissimo. There is ZERO consistency of scriptural exegesis , be it apocrypha or canonical , however that’s defined, that would even enable an attempt, at the formation of a collective principle. It IS the nail in the coffin . Quite brilliant and frankly exemplified by the following caller. I’d love to hear a decent rebuttal to his critique.I know they THINK they have one. I know they THINK, they present one each week , but in 40 odd years of listening, I’m yet to hear one , that even scratches the surface. I’m listening intently. As are these lads. Its been a pleasure to watch these boys evolve as hosts on these programs over the past, however many years and they’re both exceptionally accomplished at this point. Really sharp cats the pair and they’re most definitely listening, as are all the hosts on these shows. I think that’s a crucial point that the entrenched theistic callers frequently miss.
Another thing that grinds my gears, is when a theist is asked a very poignant and concise, question and their answer begins with: "It has to do with..." C'mon now! No concise and meaningful answer can possibly emerge from a statement that starts with those words. Its like if an alien at a city intersection, asks you why the cars on one road stop for a couple of minutes, let the cars on the other road through, and then swap roles to return the favour, and you answer: "It's got to do with lights and drivers eyeballs and brains..." This is the sort of nonsense you'd expect from someone who can't explain anything, because they don't even understand what an explanation is. It comes as no surprise then, that they might also believe in a leprechaun called Bradley, who lives in a nearby hollow tree, who telepathically controls the drivers and has a pannel of switches to control the lights.
I can confirm that bees DO in fact have knees. They were the objectively best thing until sliced bread was invented. Of course this show is the best thing since sliced bread. Unless someone confirms the existence of an omnipotent deity this show must reign supreme by default.
I was talking to a guy once, and he said that if he found out God didn't exist, he would go out and start robbing banks. I pointed out that if he did that, he would probably spend the rest of his life in prison. I don't actually believe he would do that, because I'm sure even he understands how stupid that would be.
The fact he probably isn't serious isn't the worst liability of this claim, it's the admission that he wants to believe that the only justified motive for moral behaviour, is to curry favour with god for an unjust reward for ignorant obedience. It involves no moral consideration or empathy: no concern for the goal of social harmony or welfare. If goodness for goodness sake actually matters to good people, the commands of a divine authoritarian dictator are futile and redundant.
I can't wait until I no longer have to hide behind a disguised name and a cartoon image to avoid the negative consequences from a society of magic believers 😅
Chloe, getting theists to stop persecuting non-Christians is very difficult since they have been doing it for 2000 years. Despite having the commandment to not commit murder and Jesus allegedly saying to love your neighbour. There is a whole lot more for another day. You sound like a thoughtful person but your religion lets you down.
Chloe reminds me of that famous line, in the movie When Harry Met Sally. "I'll have what she's having." I mean whatever drugs she's on, ✌️🥴 not the religion. 🤪
Hey Olivia, in case you stop back by, since your post was deleted, here's my reply. Wow, you're dealing with a lot of difficult issues for one so young. (I'm not at all clear how old you are.) Life can be so hard. I hope that the fact that you didn't mention your parents giving you a hard time about being trans, means that they're at least accepting of that aspect of who you are. I can't urge you strongly enough, if there is any way possible for you to do so, that you find a therapist, not affiliated with your church, to help you work through these traumatic concerns in your life. Emotional growth is largely contingent on self-acceptance and self-love. If you can find it in your heart to be gentle, patient, compassionate and kind with yourself that's an awesome start. It's so easy for us to beat ourselves up, which is self-defeating, and just plain mean, dammit. lol (It's a lifelong project that I'm still working on myself.) I'm not an expert, but I am a recovering alcoholic/addict. My understanding is that some people use food in a similar fashion to how folks like myself use(d) drugs and alcohol. It can be a form of self-medication, a way to try to cope with some underlying issue. This may or may not apply in your case. I'm a preacher's kid who came to the realization, embarrassingly late in life, that I didn't have a good reason to believe in god, but I'm not going to urge you to abandon your faith. I will, however, recommend that instead of vowing to always believe in god, that you vow to cultivate a healthy skepticism guarding an open mind and to always search for and follow the truth. Also, you can inform your father that people of any belief, including atheists, are free to observe any holidays we wish, in whatever way that we deem suits us best, with christmas especially being very popular. Aside from all of the baby Jesus stuff virtually every aspect of christmas iconography has its roots in pagan winter celebrations, e.g. decorated evergreen trees/wreaths, feasting, gift giving, mistletoe, yule logs, carolling, hanging stockings etc. I wish you well, Olivia, that you may find peace, love and happiness to smooth your journey through life. Whenever you're tempted to call yourself a glutton, I challenge you to teach yourself to interrupt yourself and instead call yourself "a wonderful, remarkable and caring person who brings light, love and healing compassion into the world" (or something highly aspirational but ultimately true, like that, nevertheless).
...and spekaing of 'And they will know we are christians by our love" There was a nice group of young folks singing this in Chinatown,NYC in the 1970s and I went right up to them with a big smile on my face and said "Hey!!! I knew you were xians from that song you were singing!!' JMike and SR are such wonderful hosts.
Autumn - Whenever someone threatens me with their fave hell, I ask them; "What if there really is a god, and she only sends skeptics and heathens to heaven? What if it turns out that this is all a gullibility test, and hell is reserved for boot-licking sycophants?"
Why did God get rid of the dinosaurs? So The Flintstones could safely celebrate Christmas even hundreds of thousands of years before he was born! Yabba dabba doo!
@@skepticusmaximus184 My hypothetical accounts for someone who wrongly believes that it is factual that someone else is deserving of persecution and undeserving of rights.
@@xmillion1704 I'm quite happy to agree that it's *morally wrong* to wrongly persecute them or deprive them of their rights. But the reason somebody is wrong to believe that "it is factual that someone else is deserving of persecution and undeserving of rights" is because you can't derive an aught from an is. The mistake is in definition of what they believe someone else deserves, as a fact. The fact they believe it's a fact is epistemically flawed. The belief about what the others deserve is a moral opinion not a fact. The point of the OP is that opinions, beliefs and thoughts are not something we can justify persecuting anyone for. If someone believes that someone else should be persecuted that isn't a matter of fact that's their opinion. If they believe that their opinion is a fact, then that IS a matter of fact, but its one about which they're wrong.
James - Even if we had HD video of Jeebus' magical mystery tour, the most likely explanation would be an ancient illusionist/ con-man. The entire absurd narrative is something you would expect from the Jerry Springer Show.
Chloe seems sweet. But she could talk for several hours, maybe even days, and probably never reconsile for me, or really for herself, how these disparate concepts of god is love and what we call love are anything even in the same ballpark. There is no way she believes drowning every person on earth, or making bets with Satan to torture a human, or allowing and making rules for slavery...is anywhere even approaching ANYONE'S concept of love, ours OR hers. And she admits it. "No that's not love", but in the same breath says that it is. It is so so sad to me to see such otherwise nice people try to justify this and say that it would take hours to explain something that is so obviously easy for anyone that is not indoctrinated into beliefs that conflict with their good nature and humanity. I find it hard to watch. With the crappy people it's easier, because they are crappy lol. But with obviously good people like Chloe, it's sad cuz you know at some point they either are going to have to admit where they are wrong, or say something really messed up along the way and sacrifice their humanity in the process. They either admit that 2+2 doesn't equal 5 and understand that they are saying 2 things that are in direct conflict. Or, the sad and more common outcome, they really start to justify and believe that things like slavery and genocide in the Bible really WERE a form of love. And it's obvious to me that this is going to have significant consequences on how they view what they call morality and how they treat others. It causes otherwise awesome people to do and say things only immoral monsters would.
I understand that questions are rarely answered. That is frustrating. If you don't know, you don't know. That is respectable, and honest. It gets so bad at times, it seems like the callers are paid actors, because they rarely have done the research to have this conversation, and are just getting out of church.
It’s mind blowing how Bible believers, especially resurrection believers just accept a collection of ancient stories say so… and then reference the story as evidence. Unreal. I’m sure they wouldn’t accept dragons existed because ancient stories have humans battling dragons. Or maybe they do. The level of gullibility with Christians is baffling
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 If you look like and act like Father Jack, no wonder you'd be considered mad haha. I live in Germany and just acting like a normal Aussie is considered weird and crazy by the Germans. Culture aye.
Is there any way to modulate the callers volume? It seems like the incoming calls are quite a bit louder than the hosts' volume. Especially with Leonard (Germany) and Autumn (Maryland). For both of these callers, I couldn't hit the mute button fast enough. I skipped both conversations rather than trying to adjust the volume manually between the host and caller transitions.
@@skepticusmaximus184 As one who devotes considerable (ridiculous?) effort in this regard, I've determined that it is so highly subjective that it's virtually impossible to predict. They've selected some of mine that I felt were not my best efforts and completely overlooked some that I was confident were winners. (Today is the second time, in a very long time, that I've had submissions recognized on both TH and AXP on the same day.)
@@xmillion1704 Wow! You're a tenacious bugger. Kudos! 😉👍 I've never tried before, but I just learnt that the Velocirapture one isn't original. Not sure if that matters to the hosts.
Chloe Come with your best game. Come with clear and concise. Bring your evidence, not waffle and wibble words. More words doesn't equal fact or evidence.
It's easy for people like Chloe to say she doesn't think atheists should be persecuted, but I would've liked to have had her questions about details. What about teaching kids? What about holding political office?
God wiped out the dinosaurs because he realized that the species design wouldn’t work when it came to the crucifixion and he needed to start the design process over
It's interesting to hear James confounding supernatural with artificial. I'd never contemplated that someone using the term supernatural, might be including anything artificial. But it's hard to make any clear distinction between what is naturally occurring and what is manmade. That would be because anything artificial is still natural. Many things considered to be natural could also be artificial, even if products of other animals. Humans are animals too. We manipulte natural objects in their environment. So do birds, bees and beavers. Are birds nests, honeycomb and beavers dams natural or artificial? If they are artificial then they must also be supernatural by James' logic. James' definition of 'supernatural', also fails to make that all important distinction between that which happens in violation of natures laws and that which is compliant with them. Since there's realy no meaningful distinction between that which is natural and that which is artificial, then James' definition of 'supernatural' is apparently applicable to anything except that he probably only wants it applied to the artificial events or products of his celestial deity. Otherwise every lumberjack who ever cut down a tree and sat on its stump (artificial stool) would be doing something supernatural. *!!ITS A MIRACLE!!*
I wonder how James categorizes the extrudate excretions of his bowels. Applying his own criteria, it would be difficult to make the case that they qualify as naturally occurring. I'm left to believe that every time he has a bowel movement he marvels at the wonders wrought by the hand of god.
@@xmillion1704Yep. When I wrote the OP, I didn't even get to the part where Bradley came full circle and began to equivocate that the supernatural, which he began defending as anything not naturally occurring, so including anything artificial and produced by agency, but then continued the same line of reasoning with miraculous. So at this point he's straddling the line between "within natural law' and 'inspite of natural law'. His argument was basically to soft peddle in the supernatural with a non-miraculous definition that equates to caused by agency. Then claim that a resurrection must be supernatural because it isn't naturally occurring (implying strongly that it isn't naturally possible, but without saying it must be naturally impossible), then smuggling in his god, because non-natural agency is the role of god.
@@xmillion1704Also, I like your poo analogy. 😂 It's like when people call child birth a miracle. It isn't you know. We've discovered how those things are made. It's a process as it just so happens, that obeys all the laws of physics, chemistry and biology. A baby is no more a miracle than the turd in your toilet. 😂
@@skepticusmaximus184I had a guy try to use the definition of supernatural as being "something not known to science" and the possibility of hyperadvanced aliens, to "prove" the supernatural, and then bootstrap to God.
Re: dinosaurs, When god crunched the numbers, realizing their inclusion would doom the ark, the dinosaurs mysteriously met with an unfortunate accident, "falling" from an upper story window to their collective deaths.
James, the Gospels aren't eye witness accounts. And also, the "if god is real then x is possible" may be true, but you gotta show god to be real first.
Chloe, I appreciate and agree that the Holy Spirit should be responsible for converting people. The church is responsible for works and caring for others. That’s how I felt when I was “in” anyway.
The issue with Hitler and Mao Zedong is the monolithic ideology they espoused. The problem comes from using "Atheism" -- which is a simple philosophical position about the existence of a god or goddess -- as some equivalent to any ideology that does not include a god/goddess belief, and in particular one with rather severe punishment for non-compliance. Which is all rather ironic coming from someone who says atheists have no drive!
00:00 Intro
12:17 James-OH | Resurrection Is Supernatural
32:45 Michael-FL | Atheists Complain Of Differing Views
51:05 Chloe-MI | Atheists Should Not Be Persecuted
1:14:03 Jon-(CA) | People Will Be Saddened By The Truth
1:35:24 Leonard-(DE) | Atheists Have No Drive
1:51:04 Autumn-MD | How To Calm The Fear Of Hell
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Thank you, Smochy
Doubt your beliefs? Have questions about changing or leaving your faith?
Thank you so much for the time stamps. They allow me to access the show.
Very good going, we are atheist, united Punjab secular, No to religion
To Jon: if you need a god to keep you in line, you are not a moral person but a sociopath on a leash.
That’s what most Christians are.
God wiped out the dinosaurs because they didn't believe in the Velocirapture.
☝️ Winner, winner, ancestral-chicken dinner! ☝️🤣
Boom boom ....
Oh noes! You might beat me. I said he only wiped out the ones that wouldn't drink the Red Bull.
That's horrible
😂
So cool to see my friend Autumn on here! Thank you guys for giving her advice btw. Autumn really cares about her gf and you definitely helped her
HAPPY ATHEIST DAY TO ALL MY FELLOW ATHEISTS. WISH EVERYONE COULD FEEL THIS FREEDOM ❤️❤️
Well you got the loud part of "loud and proud" for sure
JMike shaves clean every morning, and by afternoon he has an 18" beard.
God wiped out the dinosaurs when he caught them weaving mixed fabrics and he’s pretty sure he overheard a couple of them blaspheming against the holy spirit.
Idk why SR seems to have the best damn facial expressions, I really find it pleasant to watch him speak.
More and more with every new episode.
Awesome.
&LOVE both you guys, both y'all cool af.
Agreed. SR is king of expressiveness. He does this head tilting thing a lot though. I wonder if he used to be deaf and spent many hours watching Paulogia's videos and trying to read his lips. 😕🤪
God got unreasonably mad and wiped out the dinosaurs because they weren't eating the fruit, thus depriving him of an excuse to get unreasonably mad.
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer Atheists worship no god so isn't a religion. We also aren't all of the same beliefs. Our only commonality is that we don't see any reason to belief a god exists and therefore don't believe the claim that one or more does exist. Our moral grounding is in human wellbeing and harmony with society.
Incest: Atheists commonly know that genetics are compromised when closely related people breed and have offspring that can have disabilities.
Necrophilia isn't conducive to human wellbeing.
Cannibalism isn't conducive to human wellbeing.
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer Given the tired misdirection in your response I'd say OP's comment really got to you 🤣 Good one, OP! It was actually quite funny - I laughed out loud.
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer your statement reflects your ignorance
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer
There is no atheist religion. Not believing something is not a religion.
@@AtheistReligionIsCancerDenmark is ashamed of you
One of the best , most forthright, honest and genuinely helpful and meaningful episodes in years. Congrats. ‘‘Twas a fuckn pleasure.
Great show- Secular Rarity and JMike are such an awesome team. ❤
God wiped out the dinosaurs because they refused to tell him who the 'coolest dino' was, and he felt neglected.
Happy international atheist ⚛️ day to all of us atheists worldwide. May atheism become dominant in the next decades.
Leonard sounds like the caterpillar “Heimlich” from a Bugs Life lmao!! He also hurts my ears when he speaks hahahaha
@33:44 J. Mikes breakdown is a work of art. Bellissimo. There is ZERO consistency of scriptural exegesis , be it apocrypha or canonical , however that’s defined, that would even enable an attempt, at the formation of a collective principle. It IS the nail in the coffin . Quite brilliant and frankly exemplified by the following caller. I’d love to hear a decent rebuttal to his critique.I know they THINK they have one. I know they THINK, they present one each week , but in 40 odd years of listening, I’m yet to hear one , that even scratches the surface. I’m listening intently. As are these lads. Its been a pleasure to watch these boys evolve as hosts on these programs over the past, however many years and they’re both exceptionally accomplished at this point. Really sharp cats the pair and they’re most definitely listening, as are all the hosts on these shows. I think that’s a crucial point that the entrenched theistic callers frequently miss.
Leonard:
Atheists don’t have drive.
Falsely states Hitler was an atheist.
You can say a lot about Hitler but not that he lacked drive.
Hitler was a devout Catholic. How stupid do these theists think they are.
Fantastic show as always AXP ❤❤❤
Keep up the great work 💪
Peace Love Empathy From Australia.
God wiped out the dinosaurs because you touch yourself.
...at night
Must’ve been one of the times I rubbed one out when I was in the nonexistent void.
@@winstonjen5360Actually the chronological discrepancy is very consistent with biblical scripture.
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer Reported for Hate speech or graphic violence.
I thought it was because he knew the dinosaurs would eat his creations.
God wiped out the dinosaurs because he needed to make room for all the mega churches.
God wiped out the dinosaurs because they made fun of his baldness once.
Another thing that grinds my gears, is when a theist is asked a very poignant and concise, question and their answer begins with: "It has to do with..." C'mon now! No concise and meaningful answer can possibly emerge from a statement that starts with those words.
Its like if an alien at a city intersection, asks you why the cars on one road stop for a couple of minutes, let the cars on the other road through, and then swap roles to return the favour, and you answer: "It's got to do with lights and drivers eyeballs and brains..."
This is the sort of nonsense you'd expect from someone who can't explain anything, because they don't even understand what an explanation is. It comes as no surprise then, that they might also believe in a leprechaun called Bradley, who lives in a nearby hollow tree, who telepathically controls the drivers and has a pannel of switches to control the lights.
Hey, I know Bradley! He's awesome!
@@ALTDOK667 Without Bradley the roads wouldn't even be safe to travel on.
I think that's the first time I've heard Jon call in and not be super combative.
I can confirm that bees DO in fact have knees. They were the objectively best thing until sliced bread was invented. Of course this show is the best thing since sliced bread. Unless someone confirms the existence of an omnipotent deity this show must reign supreme by default.
James "Have you seen someone ressurect naturally?"
James, I haven't seen anyone ressurect.
God killed all the dinosaurs because he knew there wouldn't be room for all of them in the ark.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable What is atheist religion?
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable Psychopath.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppableyou don't know what an atheist even is. I doubt you should be taken seriously.
God killed all the dinosaurs because he was bored of watching all the dinosaur sex!
I was talking to a guy once, and he said that if he found out God didn't exist, he would go out and start robbing banks. I pointed out that if he did that, he would probably spend the rest of his life in prison. I don't actually believe he would do that, because I'm sure even he understands how stupid that would be.
The fact he probably isn't serious isn't the worst liability of this claim, it's the admission that he wants to believe that the only justified motive for moral behaviour, is to curry favour with god for an unjust reward for ignorant obedience.
It involves no moral consideration or empathy: no concern for the goal of social harmony or welfare. If goodness for goodness sake actually matters to good people, the commands of a divine authoritarian dictator are futile and redundant.
God wiped out the dinosaurs because they weren’t properly house trained
God wiped out the dinosaurs because you can't nail a tyrannosaur to a tree
I can't wait until I no longer have to hide behind a disguised name and a cartoon image to avoid the negative consequences from a society of magic believers 😅
This is why I'm so happy to live where I am and have been. Germany and Australia are great in this respect.
God wiped out the dinosaurs he's all loving.
Chloe, getting theists to stop persecuting non-Christians is very difficult since they have been doing it for 2000 years. Despite having the commandment to not commit murder and Jesus allegedly saying to love your neighbour. There is a whole lot more for another day. You sound like a thoughtful person but your religion lets you down.
Chloe reminds me of that famous line, in the movie When Harry Met Sally. "I'll have what she's having."
I mean whatever drugs she's on, ✌️🥴 not the religion. 🤪
I live in Salem, MA and studied the witch trials and murder of innocent women, all based on the Puritan christian religion.
Best part of theist Day, no sacrifices, no groveling, and no self deceit.
James: if god exists…god exists.
Such a deep, insightful argument.
Why didn’t I think of that?🧐
God wiped out the Dinosaurs because they were just not cool ENOUGH.. sad 😢
Hey Olivia, in case you stop back by, since your post was deleted, here's my reply.
Wow, you're dealing with a lot of difficult issues for one so young. (I'm not at all clear how old you are.) Life can be so hard. I hope that the fact that you didn't mention your parents giving you a hard time about being trans, means that they're at least accepting of that aspect of who you are. I can't urge you strongly enough, if there is any way possible for you to do so, that you find a therapist, not affiliated with your church, to help you work through these traumatic concerns in your life.
Emotional growth is largely contingent on self-acceptance and self-love. If you can find it in your heart to be gentle, patient, compassionate and kind with yourself that's an awesome start. It's so easy for us to beat ourselves up, which is self-defeating, and just plain mean, dammit. lol (It's a lifelong project that I'm still working on myself.)
I'm not an expert, but I am a recovering alcoholic/addict. My understanding is that some people use food in a similar fashion to how folks like myself use(d) drugs and alcohol. It can be a form of self-medication, a way to try to cope with some underlying issue. This may or may not apply in your case.
I'm a preacher's kid who came to the realization, embarrassingly late in life, that I didn't have a good reason to believe in god, but I'm not going to urge you to abandon your faith. I will, however, recommend that instead of vowing to always believe in god, that you vow to cultivate a healthy skepticism guarding an open mind and to always search for and follow the truth. Also, you can inform your father that people of any belief, including atheists, are free to observe any holidays we wish, in whatever way that we deem suits us best, with christmas especially being very popular. Aside from all of the baby Jesus stuff virtually every aspect of christmas iconography has its roots in pagan winter celebrations, e.g. decorated evergreen trees/wreaths, feasting, gift giving, mistletoe, yule logs, carolling, hanging stockings etc.
I wish you well, Olivia, that you may find peace, love and happiness to smooth your journey through life. Whenever you're tempted to call yourself a glutton, I challenge you to teach yourself to interrupt yourself and instead call yourself "a wonderful, remarkable and caring person who brings light, love and healing compassion into the world" (or something highly aspirational but ultimately true, like that, nevertheless).
...and spekaing of 'And they will know we are christians by our love" There was a nice group of young folks singing this in Chinatown,NYC in the 1970s and I went right up to them with a big smile on my face and said "Hey!!! I knew you were xians from that song you were singing!!' JMike and SR are such wonderful hosts.
Autumn - Whenever someone threatens me with their fave hell, I ask them; "What if there really is a god, and she only sends skeptics and heathens to heaven? What if it turns out that this is all a gullibility test, and hell is reserved for boot-licking sycophants?"
That's a great line when confronting someone about their beliefs.. but as I said that's not what I'm trying to do here.
Thank you though
These two hosts are the BEST duo AXP have on offer! Love it!
Leonard is too confused for this conversation, and I don’t think it’s all because of the language barrier
He's so angry, and for what?
Why did God get rid of the dinosaurs?
So The Flintstones could safely celebrate Christmas even hundreds of thousands of years before he was born!
Yabba dabba doo!
Please explain Dino then...or the dinosaur Fred controls down at the quarry.
God got rid of the dinosaurs so no human could live out their dream of riding a T-rex into battle.
For one brief moment listening to Leonard I thought Adolf had come back to life.
No one should be persecuted for being wrong.
True enough, however for some, being executed is being persecuted, for others just being contradicted is being persecuted.
What about those who are wrongly persecuting others and depriving them of their rights?
@@xmillion1704 I think the OP means wrong as in factually wrong not morally wrong.
@@skepticusmaximus184 My hypothetical accounts for someone who wrongly believes that it is factual that someone else is deserving of persecution and undeserving of rights.
@@xmillion1704 I'm quite happy to agree that it's *morally wrong* to wrongly persecute them or deprive them of their rights. But the reason somebody is wrong to believe that "it is factual that someone else is deserving of persecution and undeserving of rights" is because you can't derive an aught from an is.
The mistake is in definition of what they believe someone else deserves, as a fact. The fact they believe it's a fact is epistemically flawed. The belief about what the others deserve is a moral opinion not a fact.
The point of the OP is that opinions, beliefs and thoughts are not something we can justify persecuting anyone for. If someone believes that someone else should be persecuted that isn't a matter of fact that's their opinion. If they believe that their opinion is a fact, then that IS a matter of fact, but its one about which they're wrong.
the way his voice and manner come across, Leonard-DE reminds me of Dr Strangelove
James - Even if we had HD video of Jeebus' magical mystery tour, the most likely explanation would be an ancient illusionist/ con-man. The entire absurd narrative is something you would expect from the Jerry Springer Show.
Who didn’t have their ears bleed while listening to the word salad ramblings of Chloe?
Chloe seems sweet. But she could talk for several hours, maybe even days, and probably never reconsile for me, or really for herself, how these disparate concepts of god is love and what we call love are anything even in the same ballpark. There is no way she believes drowning every person on earth, or making bets with Satan to torture a human, or allowing and making rules for slavery...is anywhere even approaching ANYONE'S concept of love, ours OR hers. And she admits it. "No that's not love", but in the same breath says that it is. It is so so sad to me to see such otherwise nice people try to justify this and say that it would take hours to explain something that is so obviously easy for anyone that is not indoctrinated into beliefs that conflict with their good nature and humanity. I find it hard to watch. With the crappy people it's easier, because they are crappy lol. But with obviously good people like Chloe, it's sad cuz you know at some point they either are going to have to admit where they are wrong, or say something really messed up along the way and sacrifice their humanity in the process. They either admit that 2+2 doesn't equal 5 and understand that they are saying 2 things that are in direct conflict. Or, the sad and more common outcome, they really start to justify and believe that things like slavery and genocide in the Bible really WERE a form of love. And it's obvious to me that this is going to have significant consequences on how they view what they call morality and how they treat others. It causes otherwise awesome people to do and say things only immoral monsters would.
100% agreed.
I understand that questions are rarely answered. That is frustrating. If you don't know, you don't know. That is respectable, and honest. It gets so bad at times, it seems like the callers are paid actors, because they rarely have done the research to have this conversation, and are just getting out of church.
It’s mind blowing how Bible believers, especially resurrection believers just accept a collection of ancient stories say so… and then reference the story as evidence. Unreal. I’m sure they wouldn’t accept dragons existed because ancient stories have humans battling dragons. Or maybe they do. The level of gullibility with Christians is baffling
I told my mom happy atheist day. Her response was a "bunch of crazy people". Needless to say I have not told her I'm an atheist yet.
I agree with your mom!
But I'm also the good kind of crazy😂
@@vertigo4236 you had me in the first half not going to lie 😭😭😭
@@vertigo4236 For the 20 years I worked in remote mines, for some reason I was introduced to new workers as "The mad Aussie bastard" 🤷♀
@@nkg6013Whatever you do, don't let mum know that July 14 is International Nude Day🤣
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 If you look like and act like Father Jack, no wonder you'd be considered mad haha. I live in Germany and just acting like a normal Aussie is considered weird and crazy by the Germans. Culture aye.
Happy Atheist Day 😊
Isn't that a couple of days away?
Is there any way to modulate the callers volume? It seems like the incoming calls are quite a bit louder than the hosts' volume. Especially with Leonard (Germany) and Autumn (Maryland). For both of these callers, I couldn't hit the mute button fast enough. I skipped both conversations rather than trying to adjust the volume manually between the host and caller transitions.
Why did god wipe out all of the dinosaurs?
Well technically, he didn't. Only the ones who wouldn't drink the Red Bull (It give you wings), died out.
Ah, now I get your comment I saw elsewhere earlier. Good one!
@@xmillion1704Thanks. It's not the winner though. I think the Velocirapture one will take the trophy.🏆
@@skepticusmaximus184 As one who devotes considerable (ridiculous?) effort in this regard, I've determined that it is so highly subjective that it's virtually impossible to predict.
They've selected some of mine that I felt were not my best efforts and completely overlooked some that I was confident were winners.
(Today is the second time, in a very long time, that I've had submissions recognized on both TH and AXP on the same day.)
@@xmillion1704 Wow! You're a tenacious bugger. Kudos! 😉👍 I've never tried before, but I just learnt that the Velocirapture one isn't original. Not sure if that matters to the hosts.
Chloe
Come with your best game.
Come with clear and concise.
Bring your evidence, not waffle and wibble words.
More words doesn't equal fact or evidence.
God had to wipe out the dinosaurs because they didn’t worship him enough.
It's easy for people like Chloe to say she doesn't think atheists should be persecuted, but I would've liked to have had her questions about details. What about teaching kids? What about holding political office?
I don't like how Chloe just rambles on and on and on without being honest.
Yup. She's trying to put an acceptable face on her religion at the expense of the truth.
Accident are things done by sentient agents, whereby they failed to perform as expected, often associated with negative outcomes.
There is NO hate like that supposed xtian love. With friends like that I have plenty of enemies.
1st time Ive seen Kelley, well done.
sooo .. Kelley is a rock guy? :-)
46:04 Stop telling us what it isn’t and tell us what it _IS!_
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God wiped out the dinosaurs because he realized that the species design wouldn’t work when it came to the crucifixion and he needed to start the design process over
Two of my favorite people together!
God wiped out the dinosaurs for not bowing down to, and worshipping, him.
Gawd got rid of the dinosaurs so they would not eat the theists.
God wiped out the dinosaurs to make life harder for Ken Ham and other young earth creationists
God wiped out the dinosaurs to scratch his genocide itch
I think that "Circular Parody" I mean Secular Rarity is awesome. Great job.
Does anyone remember Leonard and his cameo appearances on Seinfeld and then Curb Your Enthusiasm ...
👍🍻
It's interesting to hear James confounding supernatural with artificial. I'd never contemplated that someone using the term supernatural, might be including anything artificial. But it's hard to make any clear distinction between what is naturally occurring and what is manmade. That would be because anything artificial is still natural. Many things considered to be natural could also be artificial, even if products of other animals.
Humans are animals too. We manipulte natural objects in their environment. So do birds, bees and beavers. Are birds nests, honeycomb and beavers dams natural or artificial?
If they are artificial then they must also be supernatural by James' logic. James' definition of 'supernatural', also fails to make that all important distinction between that which happens in violation of natures laws and that which is compliant with them.
Since there's realy no meaningful distinction between that which is natural and that which is artificial, then James' definition of 'supernatural' is apparently applicable to anything except that he probably only wants it applied to the artificial events or products of his celestial deity. Otherwise every lumberjack who ever cut down a tree and sat on its stump (artificial stool) would be doing something supernatural. *!!ITS A MIRACLE!!*
I wonder how James categorizes the extrudate excretions of his bowels. Applying his own criteria, it would be difficult to make the case that they qualify as naturally occurring. I'm left to believe that every time he has a bowel movement he marvels at the wonders wrought by the hand of god.
@@xmillion1704Yep. When I wrote the OP, I didn't even get to the part where Bradley came full circle and began to equivocate that the supernatural, which he began defending as anything not naturally occurring, so including anything artificial and produced by agency, but then continued the same line of reasoning with miraculous. So at this point he's straddling the line between "within natural law' and 'inspite of natural law'.
His argument was basically to soft peddle in the supernatural with a non-miraculous definition that equates to caused by agency. Then claim that a resurrection must be supernatural because it isn't naturally occurring (implying strongly that it isn't naturally possible, but without saying it must be naturally impossible), then smuggling in his god, because non-natural agency is the role of god.
@@xmillion1704Also, I like your poo analogy. 😂 It's like when people call child birth a miracle. It isn't you know. We've discovered how those things are made. It's a process as it just so happens, that obeys all the laws of physics, chemistry and biology. A baby is no more a miracle than the turd in your toilet. 😂
@@skepticusmaximus184I had a guy try to use the definition of supernatural as being "something not known to science" and the possibility of hyperadvanced aliens, to "prove" the supernatural, and then bootstrap to God.
Re: dinosaurs, When god crunched the numbers, realizing their inclusion would doom the ark, the dinosaurs mysteriously met with an unfortunate accident, "falling" from an upper story window to their collective deaths.
JMike you're killing me with these backgrounds. Where do you find these things? Also this is one of my favorite host combos
God whipped them out because, he was afraid they would all end up with Kent hovind, in a dinosaur adventure land.
My fav pair
James, the Gospels aren't eye witness accounts. And also, the "if god is real then x is possible" may be true, but you gotta show god to be real first.
51:21 "You are on Chatting up". What?!
Godwiped out the dinosaurs because yoda told him there was to be no triceratops... only do-ceratops or no do-ceratops
Chloe, I appreciate and agree that the Holy Spirit should be responsible for converting people. The church is responsible for works and caring for others. That’s how I felt when I was “in” anyway.
I couldn't understand a single thing whatever Leonard was saying 😂
Any time someone says "the complexity of de erf" I cant take them seriously lol
I can't figure out if Leonard is simply misinformed on a grande scale or a bit of a Dumnkopf...or both.
Dummkopf*
JMIKE 🥰🥰🥰🥰
God wiped out the dinosaurs when he was playing pool.
Why did God wipe out the dinosaurs ? It's pretty hard to nail a dinosaur to a cross.
Leonard, I have a drive, I drive my car a lot.
God didn't intend to kill the dinosaurs. His little cousin just broke into his rock collection and hit the bit blue rock with a smaller rock.
God killed all the dinosaurs because they kept trying to convince him the Loch-Ness monster was real...
Scott_Hoenle's law: the faster a caller speaks the less accurate their statements are.
What time was the call ended, Secular Rarity?
I for one love feculent disparity and would not have him change one thing about how he hosts this show.
I'm convinced Leonard from Germany was a troll.
Chloe needs to try decaf. I’m picturing someone bouncing when they speak. She sounds like a lovely person, a bit high wired, but lovely.
God wiped out the dinosaur, because they refused to put their paws together to pray to him...even though he made them that way.
God wiped out the dinosaurs for spring cleaning
Leonard had nothing. Atheism isnt a worldview.
Leonard was troll, as a native german speaker, I'm pretty sure.
His voice cadence was totally unnatural and weird.
She Who Must Be Obeyed spent 10 years there and said the same.
Was I the only one who pictured Leonard dressed in all brown in front of a mirror?
An archaeopteryx ripped jesus’ head off
I have always been an atheist but was afraid of the repercussions not anymore
The issue with Hitler and Mao Zedong is the monolithic ideology they espoused. The problem comes from using "Atheism" -- which is a simple philosophical position about the existence of a god or goddess -- as some equivalent to any ideology that does not include a god/goddess belief, and in particular one with rather severe punishment for non-compliance. Which is all rather ironic coming from someone who says atheists have no drive!
Hitler wasn't an atheist. Far from it.